art-discussion-and-wip

[drowsy onyx]

God help me

Those boobs look kinda.. drooped and stretched inhumanly

[molten flume]

Thats the point

[drowsy onyx]

I

[molten flume]

It doesnt even need to be accurate

your turning into an aki clon

[drowsy onyx]

Interesting design choice

It doesnt have to be accurate but it does have to make sense, like the shape the boob has been lost, they look like stretched out rubber

[molten flume]

well, look from the other illustrators,

specifically other onws

[drowsy onyx]

But at the end of the day its your art im just making a comment

[molten flume]

As i said it does not matter,

i dont wanna think about anatomy again,

[drowsy onyx]

Alright your choice as an artist ig

[molten flume]

god you remind me of aki

[drowsy onyx]

For saying the boob looks really weird?

Idek who aki is but if thats something theyd say i defo agree

Before stylizing you gotta learn anatomy first otherwise it you start to lean towards images that kind of makes you feel like youre looking at something like uncanny valley. Or maybe this characters past ancestors include monkey d luffy from one piece

[molten flume]

god, i know a thing about anatomy but does it even matter where you start?

no, and thats the point

[drowsy onyx]

Rendering proces :]

[molten flume]

prolly gotta fix for your satisfaction.

[drowsy onyx]

No you dont gotta im just saying

[molten flume]

sorry if i made a bad aNaToMy

[drowsy onyx]

You make them big but like it looks sooooo uncanny

Looking back up i see that aki made some really weird accusations like scratchy and unclean, thats weird

Im just saying that if youre drawing something that has a human shape you cant deny proportions and muscles or else they start to fall out of place. Like instagram photoshop beauty standards\

The boob isnt a big water balloon it has skin, muscles, milk ducts’’

[molten flume]

god this will not stop

i know a thing about anatomy, period.

[drowsy onyx]

Clearly

Lmao

[molten flume]

its just i dont do like that

[drowsy onyx]

Suit yourself

[molten flume]

but for your sake, i'll FIX it

[drowsy onyx]

YOU DONT GOTTA lmao

Im just explaining

[shadow nebula]

Anatomy doesn’t matter it thats not their goal. People can draw for fun

[drowsy onyx]

The drawing for fun:

You cant just just go past the line of making sense and not get a reaction

Its giving like, knee fetish art

[shadow nebula]

Their goal is to draw for fun not learn. Idk why you’re being so rude to them

[drowsy onyx]

Just saying its starting to look uncanny

[shadow nebula]

And large breasts are typically more saggy than others. Their preference are saggy. Its not impossible or unnatural. Don’t police others on how to draw

[drowsy onyx]

Its like trying to represent another culture without learning what it is. Only youre trying to represent a human form. You cant just ignore that

[drowsy onyx]

For that body type nah, people with those breasts tend to be more plus sized and have balance in between em and it doesnt start to turn into a torpedo shape

Unless youre representing muscle deformity/ botox fail

[molten flume]

god you are a certified perfectionist/ aki

okay i'll fix it. sorry if i triggered your anatomy senses

[drowsy onyx]

It doesnt have to be perfect it just has to make sense or else it looks weird

[shadow nebula]

Okay, if thats how you’re going to talk then here the thing. You’re a beginner artist yourself. You’re knowledge of anatomy is very limited. If you’re going to be critiquing anatomy you should know it yourself

[drowsy onyx]

LMAO

BYE💀

[drowsy onyx]

Plus, you dont have to be a movie director to say that a movie was weird.

[drowsy onyx]

Go outside, observe women.

[shadow nebula]

You should learn some manners

[molten flume]

man,

learn some manners dont ya?

[drowsy onyx]

Didnt realize how big of a problem being an antisocial can be, consider my eyes opened

[molten flume]

if thats what you think about my art then keep it for yourself.

Im just tired of seeing this "aNaToMy crap"

[drowsy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-y-jerry-tom-and-jerry-meme-sad-cry-gif-18054267

You when anatomy

[molten flume]

yep. this will not even end to a peaceful manner. I'll fix it for you

again, sorry

[drowsy onyx]

Interesting reaction

[zinc crown]

@drowsy onyx Criticism is important as an artist but please do learn some context. They did not ask for your help or anything like that, would be appreciated if you dropped the harassment.

[golden stirrup]

@molten flume honestly looking at the boobs and was the one being larger than the other intentional?

Not knocking it cuz that's pretty normal irl

[grave nymph]

what the hell

[drowsy onyx]

As a sorry i drew fanart 🥺

[grave nymph]

this freaking debate happened AGAIN???

even after Aki getting booted out?

[full solstice]

welcome to the internet

[grave nymph]

[full solstice]

[grave nymph]

And here I am, being optimistic, that this channel wouldn’t get into similar debates in the future

I was dead wrong

[full solstice]

you learn this lesson pretty early on in the internet: people will always find a way to fight over stuff lmao

[shadow nebula]

Its funny how when an amateur artist start learning anatomy they think they know everything and then start harassing people

[grave nymph]

yeah..

one of the reasons I don’t even critique in the first place

[shadow nebula]

I only critique those who asked, like you did yesterday

[full solstice]

if you have critique to give to an artist, always check first if they asked for it or ask them if they're willing to accept critique

[drowsy onyx]

yall when i say the boob looks weird

[full solstice]

it's a much less rude way to open up any critique you do have and make sure you have their permission

[hardy yew]

you know, it's not hard to just ignore people who don't ask for critique

[shadow nebula]

Even then you still have to know how to actually give a critique

[hardy yew]

sigh

[full solstice]

yeah, and if you really really want to give it, you can always add that you yourself aren't as experienced so they can take the critique with a grain of salt

but of course it's always best not to give it where it's not desired

[drowsy onyx]

Ok damn jeez fine these boobs look so normal and so proportionate frfr

[shadow nebula]

The rule with critiques is that you should be above the skill lvl of the person you are critiquing

[full solstice]

i think you're missing the point here, we're not saying you can't critique

but the way you phrased it and the context in which it was given was poor

[hardy yew]

[shadow nebula]

Just ignore them. They’re a troll

[full solstice]

hm, i might not entirely agree with that since some blatant errors can be seen by people with a lesser skill level, but i'd say that it's a generally good rule of thumb

[golden stirrup]

Bruh, boobs irl are like that. They're usually not the same size so like. Bruh

[shadow nebula]

Its because you might be able to say what’s wrong but the whole point of critique is to also tell someone how to fix it and lack of knowledge will give misinformation

Ignore them, they get off on annoying people

[golden stirrup]

Anyways, anyone have advice for relearning how to draw with a different hand? I originally was forced to write/draw with my right and I need to try to do it with my left

[shadow nebula]

Is your left your dominant hand?

[thorn rose]

this

[full solstice]

sorry, don't have a lot of experience with that, but i do think practice would probably help

unless if you're wondering how to transition to it?

[hardy yew]

i'd say it's more just doing it often i guess? for example, as a kid you would always use your right hand and gradually get better at it, i guess it's same for opposite?

though i'm not sure since i'm not familiar with that sort of thing

[full solstice]

yeah

[thorn rose]

i've always been comfortable with my dominant hand but i think trying to treat using that hand the way you'd treat learning how to write/draw in general

[hardy yew]

it's a learning curve of course

[thorn rose]

mhm!

[golden stirrup]

Yeah. Had weird parents that forced me to be right handed and it f'd me up. Now I have a wrecked right wrist so I cant really draw or sketch much without it twitching or shaking after like 20 minutes

[shadow nebula]

Damn, that sucks. I’d probably say learn to write with your left first to build up the dexterity and such

[full solstice]

i'd also add trying to do normal tasks like brushing your teeth or eating with your left hand

switching hands for daily tasks can help build up a lot of practice

[thorn rose]

o ya

agree

@full solstice hi

[full solstice]

stop you can just dm me, this is an art channel (thank god you changed your name though)

[thorn rose]

crying i wish i had a wip to upload on here T-T

[full solstice]

also because i dont want to get bonked for going off topic

[full solstice]

🤝

if i drew kayn for you would that motivate you lmfao

[thorn rose]

uh

[golden stirrup]

I appreciate the advice. It's been a year and a half since my wrist got injured and it hasn't gone back to normal

[thorn rose]

is this strictly a honkai art channel

[full solstice]

man that sucks, i hope it gets at least a little bit better, also best of luck to you to transitioning to your left hand!

[full solstice]

nope

[thorn rose]

no not rly bc i dont have time rip

[full solstice]

that's why it's the art discussion and wip channel

the honkai fanart is strictly honkai

but this is any fanart

[zinc crown]

No, you may check the channel description

[thorn rose]

hey, we're glad to help out in any way! i hope things get better for you though :C

[thorn rose]

woah that's swag

[shadow nebula]

Idk if you do them but you should do wrist stretches and us a wrist splint

[onyx breach]

@golden stirrup why would they even force you? What will they get out of it?

[full solstice]

there's a lot of stigma surrounding left handedness

[shadow nebula]

Usually its a religious purpose which is why most older generation write right handed even if they are left handed

[golden stirrup]

The assumption I'd develop problems growing up because of it

I can kinda legibly write with my left at least but like writing/arting with my right is so ingrained in me it's not even funny

[shadow nebula]

Its unfortunate that it happened. Be careful when training your left hand or you’ll end up with the same issues

[onyx breach]

But does it rly matter which hand writes and does things anyway?

[dusky trail]

because it is "right" hand

[thorn rose]

i personally don't see an issue with whichever hand a person uses to do things but i can see why some people may fear it.

many people in society are right-handed, so that may lead for a tendency to show bias/accommodate right-handed peoples' needs.

[onyx breach]

Ye exactly, it doesn't matter which hand does things

Also most things are oriented to be used by right hand

Like scissors, gaming mouse, etc

[thorn rose]

yeahh

[golden stirrup]

I'll have to see if I can start working on stuff tomorrow. Redoing senti's head gem with my left hand seems to be an easy enough thing to work with

[onyx breach]

Even the day to day notebook you use is right handed

[thorn rose]

i think that'd be a great thing to start off with!

[dusky trail]

did someone try to be Aki and got muted hard again

[grave nymph]

yup

[onyx breach]

🙄

[dusky trail]

well it sound like he is one up Aki at least

even Aki knew to back down even if he just repeat the same thing later

[whole cloak]

not drama over this again is it so hard to not troll and be respectful

[onyx breach]

It's another case of noob artists getting full of themselves 🤣

[dusky trail]

quite ballsy of him to keep doing it even after the green warned him though

but anyway~ done with other stuff, do want to rest a bit but i probably should start planing for valentine thing

[onyx breach]

im a bit pissed after waking up coz i was planning to pull an all-nighter last night coz my deadline is already coming up and i still need to make 2 more scenes but instea i found myself sleeping on my pen display

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[dreamy cypress]

take some time off shik, you do a lot of work

[onyx breach]

i cant even remember when i slept

[dusky trail]

well it is hard to get a time off, since you never know when you gonna get another commission and lost your time to do your own thing

[onyx breach]

good thing i dont drool coz that'd be nasty

[dusky trail]

ty for it being Lunar new year and valentine, it certainly gave people a lot of idea to do thing

i will just rest when Atelier Sophie 2 come out next month

even though that may give me some idea to draw thing

[bleak grotto]

i went to an international speed race

[dreamy cypress]

i cant imagine being either of you with deadlines on work n so many comms to do

please take some time off! you both deserve it a whole lot

[dusky trail]

well~ some order can be fun so not like it is completely a bad thing

it also hard to stop the habit of looking at a new release, got caught in the moment and want to draw it anyway

like this cool looking adult Bronya

[bleak grotto]

drawing tablets made for right handed ppl
i hate it
i want one for left

[dusky trail]

i feel like you should able to just flip the thing around and draw there

[onyx breach]

that reminds me, got an order to make a poster and acrylic stand for that dress up darling girl yesterday, dang that girl must be rly popular rn. She's everywhere in social medias

[dusky trail]

ah ya, i also see a lot of artists i like drawing her too

even Yang-du..

[bleak grotto]

being left handed is so stressful sometimes

like getting graphite on your hand

[bleak grotto]

it has a stand but maybe

idk how id flip the screen though itd be upside down

also i love when people ask
"how can you draw so well with your left hand!?" the same way with your right??? bruh

[onyx breach]

no need to flip, just get one with buttons on either side...

[dusky trail]

i mean the tablet's button itself~

[molten flume]

pog

[jaunty python]

i was drawing my D&D char and subconsciously drew her outfit similar to lyle's what the fuck

[hardy yew]

i mean hey lyle is pretty drippy

[jaunty python]

true

[grave nymph]

lul

can really see the similarities w

[lusty hazel]

whos that she looks cute af

[molten flume]

wakamo from blue archive

[molten flume]

kinda like this grin, truly suits her personality

[grave nymph]

is it me or does that kinda look like a psycho w

[molten flume]

yep it was actually a psycho

i kinda want to give her a yandere face since in game she is after the sensei

and actually in love

[grave nymph]

I tried w

[grave nymph]

naruhodo

[molten flume]

dang, senti be like:

[pliant saddle]

first time doing this kind of editing.. i’m so lost
i think i’ll just leave the lighting out

[lone wagon]

Im so glad I was asleep when that drama happened.

Please tell me nobody saw those messages I just read stuff wrong.

[fossil obsidian]

wait there's another neco arc

impostor

[grave nymph]

:ohno:

[lone wagon]

[golden stirrup]

The imposter is u

[golden stirrup]

I love it!

[molten flume]

thanks bud!

[fossil obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-dissapearing-neco-gif-23295835

[fossil obsidian]

OOOO
Are you aiming for a yandere expression?

[molten flume]

yeah

[fossil obsidian]

Nice bud, looks good!

[molten flume]

thanks! would try to finish this today if possible lol

[fossil obsidian]

Sounds great, look forward to it fam

[half maple]

Daddy diluc 😍

Any tips?

I know the ear is a little high 😟

[dusky trail]

the way you put the line for the shoulder there cause it to look inward

you could also use more curvy line for the tie so it won't look too stiff

[half maple]

Ooh yeah thanks <33

Does this work

[dusky trail]

something like this

[half maple]

Ahh ok

[dusky trail]

try to curve it along with the side your char is in

[half maple]

Tysm

[fossil obsidian]

mmmm doritoes

also kaworu pfp

based

[dusky trail]

oh ya, i curved the tie a bit too much there since i just use my mouse but just make it slightly

[half maple]

Yuh 😩

[fossil obsidian]

little something I'm working on

[half maple]

Oo fu hua

It looks really nice 😻

[fossil obsidian]

Thank you my man

I realized Night Squire and Clown Otto have the same suit

[half maple]

Np

[dusky trail]

@half maple you can look at Neco's tie for reference there

[half maple]

Oo yeah

It’s curved along the body shape

[fossil obsidian]

Fu hua doesn't have much muscle definition in the chest if you get what I mean, so it's not too curved

but yes you noticed right

[half maple]

Yuh

[fossil obsidian]

I'm still getting used to digital and CSP

so what exactly does clipping do?

[dusky trail]

it locked whatever the top layer to the layer below

so you can't draw out of line

[fossil obsidian]

Holy that sounds very damn useful

will definitely help while I color and stuff

[dusky trail]

ya~ no worry about color out of the base color anymore, you can just draw as hard as you want ufufu

[fossil obsidian]

amazing
because it's really frustrating to erase that tiny bit of extra airbrush

Digital feels so darn different man

kind of almost feels like cheating, but hey it's fun

plus I can color much better without having to worry about my touch marker deciding to choose violence

[fiery lantern]

I will fix the pose later digitally

I forgot about the left arm

[fossil obsidian]

Asuka!

nice

[unique surge]

kinda reminds me of akagi from al

[fiery lantern]

yes

[full solstice]

[fossil obsidian]

excellent!

[topaz chasm]

yall im bored please suggest me something to draw

[dusky trail]

valentine soon, draw something for that

[oblique wing]

tuna and eel

[topaz chasm]

okay 👍🏼

[hardy yew]

Otto

[topaz chasm]

i alri edit something for valentine dwdw

[topaz chasm]

HEHEHE

[hardy yew]

what have you made esther

[topaz chasm]

yeah

its

its like yeah something

yk

[hardy yew]

ooh

can u share

[topaz chasm]

I CAN'T

CUZ ITS ONLY A WIP AND I HATE IT

[full solstice]

trust me, it can't be worse than my wips

[orchid verge]

haha Animus? more like amogus haha

[hardy yew]

Hm

It's not new version

[topaz chasm]

its worser than your even those orb that i have make

[full solstice]

no trust me

just show it dw

[topaz chasm]

maybe after i finish it ill send it here yall are so thirsty

[full solstice]

im fine with that

[topaz chasm]

crying

cuz yeah ill send it later dw dw

[full solstice]

👍

[timber seal]

Still beta so its imprefect

[full solstice]

[oblique wing]

drawing her crown with mouse makes me wanna cry myself to sleep

[full solstice]

you're using a mouse?? respect.

[oblique wing]

well yea, im planning to buy a pentab but i don't have enough money yet

[full solstice]

you could always use a phone to draw too

[oblique wing]

im not experienced with drawing on a phone, so prob won't draw on a phone

[full solstice]

might make your life a little easier than drawing with a mouse tho

your choice though, there are plenty of artists who do draw with mouse

[oblique wing]

well, thanks for the suggestion i guess

maybe i'll try it some time

[fossil obsidian]

@oblique wing mouse gang

I feel your pain man

On phone its hard to get an idea where your finger goes

Unless you have a tab and a stylus

[lone wagon]

Idk what I am even suppose to do with the bg.

I have the chains and the flames but idk if this gradient in the bg work

I'm just doing whatever at this point so it's not a white bg

[topaz chasm]

even if the bg is nothing its still good tho im crying

like can i have your twitter or insta

[lone wagon]

I don't have any art accounts

[rancid gazelle]

https://twitter.com/kot0maru/status/1487874567607500800?t=tUkTWGdECs-xcS2i_vvI1w&s=19

Aki (@kot0maru)

アビーちゃん
#FGO #FateGO

Twitter · Jan 30, 2022, 7:45 PM

[fair flare]

My tablet works again and what better thing to do than draw Fu hua playing the violin💃 💃 💃

And if there's anyone who knows how to properly hold and play the violin pls help

[full solstice]

Fingers should be on the strings, not just the thumb

Twoset violin can help

[fair flare]

Alrighty thanks and I'll look it up tmr :)

[whole cloak]

the black piece on the bottom of the body is where the chin goes, the cheek and chin should touch that place
basically move the arm so the back of the hand is more facing the viewer directly

diff angle but this is the clearest mostly accurate pic I can find

second pic is more accurate for arm placing
it’s hard to explain so gl
fellow twosetter?

and bow hand refs

[fair flare]

OHH thank you this is a big help!!

[bleak grotto]

damn, wish i could draw humans like that

[molten flume]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Phantasmaliagon/status/1487935638108209152

Providence. (@Phantasmaliagon)

wakamo

#ブルアカ #ブルーアーカイブ #BlueArchive

Twitter · Jan 30, 2022, 11:47 PM

[bleak grotto]

literally, idk
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/95899507

[oblique wing]

attempting to animate adam using herrscher power

[oblique wing]

\

[fossil obsidian]

is that kamen rider?

haha, nice man

[oblique wing]

thanks, the concept is like kamen rider

[oblique wing]

it's from Ultraman Trigger, similar to Kamen Rider except giants

[topaz chasm]

are you for real 🧍🏻‍♂️

[lone wagon]

Yeah i dont currently have any art accounts. I will do in the future I do have a reason.

[lone wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-k-on-yui-hirasawa-raining-wet-gif-16521935

[dusky trail]

go made a twitte so you can randomly found weird artist like~

https://twitter.com/40hara/status/1467690262587580422

40原@booth通販&新刊委託中 (@40hara)

『うちのねこが女の子でかわいい』の第3巻が出るよ٩( ‘ω’ )و
今回もきなこの漫画とイラストを多数収録してるよ🐈

🐾ご予約受付中だよ🐾
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#うちのねこが女の子でかわいい

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIP14uEaIAI-cMJ?format=jpg&name=large

just take picture of his cat and turn it into human

[lost wagon]

https://twitter.com/zodiac_ws/status/1488077987308351489

十二獣Zodiac (@zodiac_ws)

maxx C

full-sized is on my Patreon
https://t.co/n5etlciGYc

#konami #YuGiOhMasterDuel #YGO

Twitter · Jan 31, 2022, 9:13 AM

anyone who plays yugioh and know this card?

[buoyant sky]

wait where's Aki?

Did I miss something?

[shadow nebula]

he got banned from this chat for his behavior

[buoyant sky]

oh-

with him it was way more lively here

but yeah he deserved it

so

[lost wagon]

huh? what happened?

i was quite busy recently so i didn't go the chance to read this channel

[buoyant sky]

samee

[shadow nebula]

he gave an unsolicited critique, got asked to stop (don't give critiques when not asked, don't know how many times I have to say this in this channel. Not at you, don't worry), he was very rude about it and caused an argument and a mod got involved and banned him

[lost wagon]

:c

i used to be someone who gives unwanted critique. until one day someone gave me criticism when i was actually just chilling and not wanting to give my all doing an artwork. that day i understand why it can be really damaging.

oh and thanks for the explanation.

[shadow nebula]

yeah, its pretty rude to do in the art community and an easy way to get yourself kicked out of most places so i just hope more people learn to not do that anymore

[onyx breach]

too bad he had to go, if he only showed even a droplet of self discipline..,

[lost wagon]

hmm

i personally think that ignorance might be the most poisoning attitude an artist could ever have

ignorance and being arrogant.

it can be selfdestructive

without one even noticing.

[onyx breach]

i was rly hoping it'd be just a phase and he'll grow out of it

[lost wagon]

same.

[shadow nebula]

that arrogance typically lasts until people start to develop their eye and see that they aren't as good as they think they are

[lost wagon]

agree

like i remember me being really arrogant. until i saw the good artist who are really skilled and beyond my level.

when i compare my current art with my old stuff from a few years ago i can see some big jumps but right now im always aware that there are room to get better and no matter how good you are. there will always be someone out there who's younger and better than you.

that's just something one has to accept. but it's not really too important i think. because art is there to make peoples day. to inspire others and to communicate with everyone.

[dusky trail]

but then, right after that, a new Aki show up to bully Atae again

[bleak grotto]

omg

[lone wagon]

There will always be one. Endless cycle in the art community

[unique surge]

yep

[hardy yew]

It's my first art for a long time

[fossil obsidian]

Zamn

Looks very very good

or it's the hor niii part of me speaking

but I like it

[plain bane]

Any of yall good with sculpture? Looking for tips, my first attempt

Rn it's kinda justa shiny worm

[prisma vector]

Wow looks amazing

[molten flume]

god

[plain bane]

Where's aki and his harsh critique, would be useful rn ngl

[robust tapir]

[plain bane]

Yall bein stalked

[glass glade]

i tried the redraw thing but its sad i feel like the old ones better what yall think?

[plain bane]

Clay modelling is hard 😭

[molten flume]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Phantasmaliagon/status/1488173418688413698

Providence. (@Phantasmaliagon)

Ichinose Asuna (Bunny Pyon) #一之瀬アスナ #一之瀬アスナ(バニーガール) #ブルーアーカイブ #BlueArchive #Bunnygirl #船上のバニーチェイサー https://t.co/8uVegCSNUC

Twitter · Jan 31, 2022, 3:32 PM

[plain bane]

He's looking like.. something?

I think?

[hardy yew]

I finished

[dusky trail]

if you ignore the horn, it looks like a cat showing it belly asking for a pet

[plain bane]

[dusky trail]

or it also could be a corgi

[plain bane]

Getting there ig

[onyx breach]

nah thats obviously Tohru

[plain bane]

||my uncultured ass doesn't know who that is||

[dusky trail]

the one keep asking you to eat her tail

[plain bane]

||oh ||

[glass glade]

last time i drew a non skinny character was when i was like 11 im 16 now is this ok😭

the palm looked weird j had to fix it

[dusky trail]

well she is barely pass as a chubby char that for sure

[lone wagon]

I thought you were trying to make mega rayquaza.

[whole cloak]

she’s still quite slim imo just slightly more curvy

[lone wagon]

But its a Chinese dragon

[whole cloak]

the one thing that stands out to me most is the 4 and 5 fingers of her right hand
Left hand could use some refs but right hand is more obvious

[bleak grotto]

i

[whole cloak]

o hi hanami

[lone wagon]

Suitable since its the start of chinese new year tomorrow

However it's the year of the water tiger.

[bleak grotto]

water

[whole cloak]

oh yea happy cny/lunar new year

[lone wagon]

Heya selcouth

[whole cloak]

again on at the same time lol

[lone wagon]

XD I thought u were already talking before me

I just came on after finishing what I was doing. I spent the whole day researching and making paper lanterns

I'm in charge of doing the activities in my work place with the residents in my care home now

So i literally got paid to make paper lanterns today

I'll be getting paid to watch people make lanterns tomorrow

Its great

Its my type of job, I get to come up with all kinds of fun stuff to make. My art obsessions approves of this.

[unique surge]

nice

[plain bane]

Oh no, it's a college project and I have yet to do the brief gotta make him icey now

Turns out my mind went to deep sea serpent with an Arctic brief

[robust owl]

somehow made a HoF art look like a credit card background..

just had to add that white triangle in the corner

pls ignore the sword, i was too lazy to look at the flamescion sword references

[robust owl]

HoF cooking dinner for you using her new powers

[bleak grotto]

mihoyo really likes head pieces lol

[dusky trail]

well head piece is a way to put some unique trait on the chars after all

so thing like ribbon, hair tied, hair clip and so on are always used for char design nowaday

and sometime the hair accessory even to show their characteristics like Usagi here wearing a bunny hair clip...

but of course, nowday we also have so many weird hair style to put on the head to make them stand out too

horn, animal ears, hair bun, random bump on the hair and so on

[onyx breach]

Ye, it's not just mihoyo. Headpieces are almost in every character nowadays

[dusky trail]

it is specially the case for any thing with large cast

[onyx breach]

its another way for the designs to av oid making the characters look the same

specially when the artist is suffering from same-face syndrome

[dusky trail]

another way is to make other chars as plain as possible

so you can literally tell who is the important char and who are mobs

[onyx breach]

thats the problem with visual storytelling

they need to standout in plain sight

[plain bane]

Had to dissect him

[fair flare]

this drawing is stressing me but at least the hair looks pretty

[fossil obsidian]

tfw night squire has the same suit as Otto from 2E Manga

also damn, I love the lineart man

[fair flare]

Lmao and thanks but it's just the sketch so nothing special

[fossil obsidian]

I get tired out by the time lineart's done so I feel kinda lazy when it comes to colors

I only colored a small bit of this for my pfp lmao

[fair flare]

It looks really good tho

[fossil obsidian]

thanks man, glad to hear it

[fair flare]

[fossil obsidian]

Looking forward to the finished piece from you too fam, it looks great so far

violin poses are always a for me

[fair flare]

Thank you

Lmao i was very scared to draw sth wrong but i had help of so many great people to figure out how it should look

Still don't understand how it works but it looks fine so

[fossil obsidian]

yeah there's tons of stuff like,
"the hand shouldn't be there"
Etc etc

I've got almost 0 knowledge on playing the violin

[fair flare]

Ikr

[fossil obsidian]

so all this goes over my head lmao

[fair flare]

Lmao

[robust owl]

badonks

[fossil obsidian]

Damn.

I want to shout what that one japanese man does while running

but it's overused

[onyx breach]

bruh ai's weird...i merely sent this gif 😑

[lusty lion]

and got cabbaged for it

next time pay attention to the gif's name/link

[onyx breach]

oh it also does it with links?

this gif mustve rly had a weird name in it then if i got muted for it

[molten flume]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Phantasmaliagon/status/1488500713752006660

Providence. (@Phantasmaliagon)

Asuna and Formidable #AzurLane #フォーミダブル #フォーミダブル(アズールレーン) #一之瀬アスナ #一之瀬アスナ(バニーガール) #船上のバニーチェイサー #ブルーアーカイブ https://t.co/LivG9tbXWp

Twitter · Feb 1, 2022, 1:13 PM

[hardy yew]

mightve also got cabbaged if it had anything related to politics

[thorn abyss]

hii! one question, which program you're using to draw?

[fair flare]

Clip studio paint pro

[fossil obsidian]

once upon a midnight dreary

[thorn abyss]

is it free or do i have to pay?

[fossil obsidian]

It's not free

I pirated CSP EX

I do not endorse piracy

[fair flare]

You have to pay like 50$

[thorn abyss]

oh wow

thats

[fair flare]

But it's on sale for like 20$ pretty often

[thorn abyss]

can you recommend another drawing program? i currently use photoshop but i want to try new stuff

[fair flare]

I can recommend ibispaint it's pretty easy to use

[thorn abyss]

is it available on pc?

[fair flare]

I don't think it is

[thorn abyss]

oh i need pc programs

[fair flare]

Ohhh

Then krita maybe

Many of my friends use it and it's free

[thorn abyss]

okay, ty very much

[fair flare]

Np

[hardy yew]

medibang

i really reccomend medibang if u dont have enough money for CSP

but if do then CSP pro or ex that shit is fine stuff

[thorn abyss]

how does medibang work?

[limpid spear]

silverwing broni wip

[unique surge]

pretty much how other drawing softwares work

btw ik im late but happy lunar new year!

[thorn abyss]

happy lunar new year!!

[limpid spear]

prefer cp ex

than medibang

imo

[hardy yew]

im already wanted in 8 states so i didnt crack it

[thorn abyss]

oh

[lost wagon]

https://twitter.com/zodiac_ws/status/1488633412525121537

十二獣Zodiac (@zodiac_ws)

Mia and Sera as grownups. c:

#drawing #manga #digitalart

Twitter · Feb 1, 2022, 10:00 PM

real quick doodling of Mia & Sera as grown ups

[bleak grotto]

idk man

[limpid spear]

so u mean the 100k who watched that video tutorial for how to dl it are wanted in 8 states too?

lucky i live in north korea

[bleak grotto]

woo

[lone wagon]

Me too

[fossil obsidian]

I got cabbaged for saying that

sshhhhhhh

save yourself

[lone wagon]

I mean the not endorse it obviously

U did?

Big rip

[fossil obsidian]

yeah got a warning

[lone wagon]

AI CHAN is very strict

[fossil obsidian]

Yes

on a side now

How TF do I draw a rose sideways

Clown moment

it's like I put AI chan instead of a rose, jesus

[lone wagon]

Draw a normal rose the right way up and then turn it around

If u can't draw it sideways

Another way is to rotate your canvas and if u hate drawing roses I'm pretty sure you can get a rose brush from thr store for free

[fossil obsidian]

Okay, point

Will check the assets

will roll with this until then

[lone wagon]

Whnr it comes to roses I just cheat my way and use a rose brush, and then just adjust it however I want to match my work. I've drawn way too many flowers in school I just cannot be bothered.

[fossil obsidian]

istg drawing flowers for bio class feels much easy

[onyx breach]

ye theyre indeed very annoying to draw

[tawny timber]

Cattos

[onyx breach]

It'd like drawing frills but even more annoying

[plain bane]

Am I the oddball who finds flowers fun

[onyx breach]

its only fun to look at

not to draw

[plain bane]

Idk I find them fun to draw

[onyx breach]

then you definitely havent drawn a boquet or a garden of flowers as background before

you'd wish it will end but it wont

[dusky trail]

at least you are not shoujo artist and have to spam flowers every pages

[onyx breach]

haha, good thing i only get silly manga requests

[bleak owl]

Debating if I should draw Kiana or Tuna

If you know what I mean

[bleak grotto]

the typos are kinda accurate lmao

[molten flume]

Tons of things to fix

[shadow nebula]

baal doodle

[plain bane]

The struggle of taking thos guy home, he weights a ton

[hardy yew]

kill.

[raven swift]

boop

[hardy yew]

WIP rn

[bleak grotto]

man i wish i could draw poses like that

[ocean garden]

first time drawing abs, doing 100% just for fun but if u have any good and nice not too hard tips and tricks for these types of things i wouldnt mind hearing them

[unique surge]

since the body is facing to the left maybe move the line where the abs meet up to the left a bit more

so the left side of the abs' width is less than the right side

idk

[stone zealot]

Uhh is there anything i should fix in this

[ocean garden]

thankyou ill try using that to my advantage

[dusky trail]

nothing too majorly off so it is fine

[pliant saddle]

just a face doodle..

tell me if there’s anything that i could improve on

in terms of facial structure

[whole cloak]

do you have a reference? mostly looks good to me

[pliant saddle]

i do but its my friends face 🏃‍♂️ i dont think i should rly shwo it around lmao

[whole cloak]

oh yeah dw
I would say to check the values on the shadow side of their left, unless the dark parts are hair the shadow probably should cover a bit more of the face? or it’s a high key ref idk

[pliant saddle]

i'll check it out in a bit 👍 in class rn </3 ty

[dusky trail]

ty to that Hina doll anime, all i think about is that doll's face

[grave nymph]

anybody have any idea to make the folds look a lil more better?

especially on the left arm, on the armpit area?

[shadow nebula]

Visualize that in the perspective of your drawing. If you have baggy sweaters then take a photo of yourself in that pose and draw the folds

[grave nymph]

[dreamy cypress]

pixel icon commission i did for a friend

[lost wagon]

Poggers!!

Raiden... Shotgun

[dusky trail]

sadly, you know i mainly draw armpit so clothe is not my thing

[grave nymph]

:ohno:

[dusky trail]

but, unless it is tight around the wrist, the sleeve should be down around the elbow

[molten flume]

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Twitter · Feb 3, 2022, 1:12 PM

[grave nymph]

?-?

[shadow nebula]

face redraws from cinematics

[lost wagon]

ayy the seele one is really nice

[lost wagon]

ooooh good work

[shadow nebula]

thank you!

[lost wagon]

i love that scene where she looks down at white seele

[molten flume]

ayyoo thanks

[lost wagon]

[glass glade]

feels plain what should i add

[full solstice]

i think that it looks plain simply because it doesn't look like there's any motion

your pose looks like it's supposed to be full of emotion and jumping, but her clothes and hair are basically flat and don't show any of that

[full solstice]

a background would help too

[molten flume]

tons of fixing again

[full solstice]

oh nice, which game is that from?

[glass glade]

ofc i keep forgetting motion lmaoo

[molten flume]

azur lane

[full solstice]

ayyyy

[molten flume]

now im going to mald tommorow for these babies to finish

[glass glade]

@full solstice is this a lil better?

[dusky trail]

more~

[glass glade]

more?

usijdjdjc

fine

[dusky trail]

the hair and jacket could curve more

[glass glade]

ok im redrawing it

the hair that is

@dusky trail

BETTER?

[dusky trail]

did you ditch the jacket and just go all hair?

sad

[glass glade]

what jacket

[dusky trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/783078378872897608/938828583760183316/IMG_6092.png?width=380&height=676

wait you mean that thing is never a jacket...?

[glass glade]

no its just a shirt huh

[dusky trail]

i mean the thing in the back

[glass glade]

nope

never was

i just didmt detail it

LOL

[dusky trail]

well then that angle of that hair is off

sec

[glass glade]

hm

[dusky trail]

if you trace the hair curve

it will be outside of the head

[dusky trail]

you can just cut off some of the hair

about that

[dusky trail]

passable i guess

now she just need a background to match

or just be lazy like me and draw some flower's petals

[glass glade]

sky

its gonna be a sky

[hardy yew]

looks cool but id say you gotta flip it if the perspective or anatomy is right and

just looks a bit too bland

but if thats how u like it then keep going mate

[civic jacinth]

A VERY LAZY EDIT

[bleak grotto]

separate the hairs in the back
it looks a lil clumpy? idk dont take my advice i suck lol

[glass glade]

im keeping it that way more bc idk how to do that and bc i like it

[bleak grotto]

alr :)

[hardy yew]

What can you say?

Guys?

Ok

[hardy yew]

Nice, really nice

[glass glade]

well the head looks really short but once again idk anything about furry art

and the eyes look a lil too slanted

[hardy yew]

About head you're right

[hardy yew]

About eyes I don't know

[hardy yew]

I'll find way to fix it

[whole cloak]

which animal are they based on

[hardy yew]

Hah

Maybe dog

Not wolf

[whole cloak]

Idk what breed of dog you mean but the snout looks a tad short

or move the eyes a bit deeper into the head bc rn the eyes centerline doesn’t really match up with the snout centerline

[hardy yew]

Блин, мне сложно писать на английском, так что переводите сами

Центральная линия - условная

[hardy yew]

You're right

[dreamy cypress]

“damn its hard for me to write in english so translate yourself”

[hardy yew]

Ahah

Ok

[dreamy cypress]

i got you dw

[glass glade]

lmfao

[hardy yew]

Dw?
What is it?

[whole cloak]

Don’t worry

[dreamy cypress]

dw stands for dont worry

[hardy yew]

Sanks

My English is not bed but I don't know your abbreviations of words

[rancid gazelle]

https://twitter.com/kot0maru/status/1489347157693923329?s=20&t=erePbtP_dQ0m5SnkfXkXDw

Aki (@kot0maru)

「世界が吾輩の」
#laplus_artdesu

Twitter · Feb 3, 2022, 9:16 PM

[dreamy cypress]

no worries

[buoyant sky]

Aki's back? /j

[hardy yew]

Who is it?

[buoyant sky]

Long story lmao

Basically star of this channel

Star in bad meaning

[hardy yew]

Guys

Can you help me with hands?

I have a big problems with drowing hands

[hardy yew]

Hm

[hardy yew]

And eyes

[fervent latch]

jolyne 🧍‍♂️

[buoyant sky]

OMG

Woah

So cool

Show it when you finish plsss

[fervent latch]

Tysm!! I will :DDD

[unique surge]

lol wrong aki

[buoyant sky]

/j means joking

[unique surge]

ah ok

[candid mesa]

Omg these are beautiful

[rare fjord]

My camera sucks

Rita sitting

I'll add dudu

I'm going to redraw tis'. :HoVWhat: :HoVWhat:

[dreamy cypress]

[pseudo harbor]

W.I.P fuhua
idk what to do since im new to the server

[oblique wing]

looks good and welcome

[pseudo harbor]

why does everything i draw with the sketch the sketch always looks better

i need answers

[zealous pasture]

hm.... o..o hard to answer that...

[edgy cairn]

what character is this I wanna draw it

[whole cloak]

schrodinger

[edgy cairn]

Also what happened here with aki

And I need to stay consistent with drawing cause i draw a lot in one day and then the next week i dont

[whole cloak]

akicar? Long story short he got banned from the channel for critiquing w/o the artist asking

yeah I want consistency too high school is killing me

[edgy cairn]

I'm 13 turning 14 but somehow even without much work i cant and somehow people still ask for commissions

[onyx breach]

your guidelines are off, its on the center of the canvas and yet the pose is leaning to the side, not facing front view

[pseudo harbor]

ty

[onyx breach]

it should be like this

[whole cloak]

turning 15 hit me like a wall in terms of workload I try to plan out every day, I find writing down what time I did stuff helps me see where I’m wasting time

then if I have like half an hour at the end of the day I’ll draw

[edgy cairn]

I just spend my day playing games ngl

[molten flume]

i literally skipped my homework for this:

[onyx breach]

ye, managing your time at an early age is great so that youll get used to it when the adult life hits you

[whole cloak]

ive been trying to slowly get a grip on my schedule but it’s hard sigh

[molten flume]

try to set your time

like for example:homework and stuffs then make a time for drawing and stuff

[whole cloak]

I do
I still end up wasting around half an hour a day not drawing/gaming and not working by lazing around or smth

[molten flume]

i do that usually, and it feels good to draw without any distractions

[molten flume]

same feels man

but you'll get over onto that eventually

we experience it all the time

[whole cloak]

ill get there eventually
esp since I don’t plan to art major or do art professionally (at least as a main job) I haven’t yet decided how much time I want to dedicate to it

I find it really hard to find a balance

[molten flume]

well, do what you feel you can do i guess

its the mindset we have to change, because we do usually do thinking it helps us

i was there back in the days i was lazing around not watching any tutorials

it was horrid, the end result was a pathetic and disproportionate work back in like year 2017-2020

[shadow nebula]

Thank you!

[grave nymph]

I have no idea how the chest, hips, right thigh/leg and left arm would work w

I sure suck at imagining things in 3d w

[onyx breach]

reference exist brother

[grave nymph]

just got that one kiana cg

I wanna use the models in csp but they're hard to control w

[dusky trail]

told you~ you can find reference from different scene too~

not just the exact one you need to see

[grave nymph]

what do you call those kinds of views anyways?

[dusky trail]

high angle view?

but if you want to search it as a tag, then it is from_above

[grave nymph]

ah

I should make a document for all those tags and words

[fossil obsidian]

ikr lmao

I had a stroke trying to learn how models work

and I decided, lmao screw it just find reference poses

[grave nymph]

then you don't know the right words to use for specific poses

[shadow nebula]

posing them before angling them makes it much easier

[fossil obsidian]

No, like I don't know how to use the models

[shadow nebula]

you don't know how to get them on the canvas or you don't know how to make the joints move?

[fossil obsidian]

I've been using stuff like ibis paint this whole time
so CSP with its model features feels like gamemode 1

[fossil obsidian]

the former

[grave nymph]

ah

let me just uh

click this

the double arrow

browse for the models you want

[shadow nebula]

yeah click that arrow then find the one you want and drag and drop onto canvas

[grave nymph]

yeah that

[fossil obsidian]

oh?
Damn I feel like idiotka

[shadow nebula]

shizue, are you confused how to move the joints?

[grave nymph]

not really

but it just doesn't feel natural

whenever I do the poses w

and I'm still learning the functions and stuff

[shadow nebula]

yeah, the models will never feel natural they just help if you already know anatomy but struggle to visualize the pose accurately

[grave nymph]

I also don't know how the hell you control the spine

[shadow nebula]

the whole torso controls it

the torso is divided into 3 parts technically 4 but the pelvis moves the whole figure

[grave nymph]

yeah

I was trying to move that part but then the whole model moved

"Eh?" was my first reaction www

[shadow nebula]

you can hit undo to go back to previous selections

[grave nymph]

o

[hardy yew]

Fixed

[onyx breach]

i always burst laughing when someone mentions having a stroke :V

[lone wagon]

Why is that funny?

I don't understand what's funny about it at all.

[fossil obsidian]

memes aside I actually got a headache working on blender

CSP's default models are fine

[lone wagon]

Csp is my baby, I love that programme to bits

I have used all the well known apps for drawing and its my favourite

[fossil obsidian]

CSP is the holy grail of art programmes

I agree

esp if you have something like CSP EX

[plain bane]

Csp confused my tiny head

[fossil obsidian]

there are still several tools I have 0 idea of

[lone wagon]

Before csp I was using paint tool Sai and before that I was using photoshop

But I've tried medibang and I've tried ibis paint before photoshop also

Csp still my comfort zone

[lone wagon]

I bet, if you've no experience in using photoshop at school it probably is confusing.

I learnt how to use photoshop from school and clipstudio is very similar to photoshop with its layout and shortcuts

So its esieer to adjust to it

For me

[plain bane]

I did have a photoshop workshop but I fell asleep cause the lecturer just sat there and talked to us for 3 hours

[lone wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-slam-table-anime-cute-gif-17848238

Luckily the way my teachers taught me how to use the tools is by dedicating a whole whole week just giving us activities to do with those tools.

We just got to mess around with the tools for a whole week

[plain bane]

I wish

The guy literally made us sit there and listen to him talking about it for 3 hours

[hardy yew]

cecilia

[hardy yew]

Nice

[lone wagon]

I don't understand how he thinks anybody will learn how to use photoshop from this

[grave patrol]

I tried using Photoshop, its very much a cluster fuck

I mostly use a mix of krita csp and sai

[lost wagon]

https://twitter.com/zodiac_ws/status/1489584702122041357

十二獣Zodiac (@zodiac_ws)

yo im ready for Yae Miko !!!!

full size is on my Patreon:
https://t.co/n5etlciGYc

#genshinimpactfanart #miHoYo #yaemiko

Twitter · Feb 4, 2022, 1:00 PM

ayo yae is pretty poggers

[prisma vector]

I love both yae sakura and yae miko they are best

[lost wagon]

^^

[onyx breach]

they're just a product of mihoyo's lazy bum not making a different character

[shadow nebula]

its very pretty!

mihoyo always uses the same characters in their games. Its their thing

[lost wagon]

i can imagine the higher ups really liking some of their og characters.

[lost wagon]

thx ^^ ❤️

[shadow nebula]

yeah they love their characters. Kiana has been around since their very first game and they've slowly built up their character roster over the years

[onyx breach]

ye back when her character was only wielding a baseball bat

[dusky trail]

Delay start to have "back in my day~" flashback again

[onyx breach]

haha

[glass glade]

finally doneee

[full solstice]

nice

[hardy yew]

I just got myself a graphic tablet and wanted to start drawing

Any tips?

Or advice

[dusky trail]

you plug it in your PC and start drawing

[hardy yew]

I-I see

how about uh

stuff like

making layers

[dusky trail]

well, that would depend on the program you are using

and the kind of style you are using

[hardy yew]

Photoshop CS6

and style?

[dusky trail]

painting~ hard pen and so on

[dreamy cypress]

trying to raise his value price wise with an icon

[onyx breach]

...or actually finish the piece. Im sure that'll increase it.

[dusky trail]

or leave it half finish and just call it "abstract art"

[hardy yew]

uhh

Pressure pen?

[dusky trail]

well, a quick way is just show us some of your stuff

[dreamy cypress]

it uh is finished, im just adding extra stuff for the character

[hardy yew]

I don think I have a style yet?

literally starting out

[dusky trail]

=3=

well then just have some fun and experiment with it

[hardy yew]

got it

[dusky trail]

just avoid some bad habit like, draw with so much left over you have no clue what to do with it and start forcing yourself to add stuff in

[hardy yew]

okay

[dusky trail]

but well~ you drawing it digital at least, so the size problem can mostly be solve

[onyx breach]

Thats finished? I thought you were selling it half cooked

[dreamy cypress]

what parts of it feel unfinished? i can go back n add more details to make it feel more finished

im just hoping to make & sell one adopt (its on my art bucket list i guess?)

[molten flume]

might as well change the skin color tomorrow

[whole cloak]

I’m not familiar with furry art but the mouth is tilted at a different angle compared to the eyes and snout

[hardy yew]

Mmmmmmm

Maybe you're right

But no

Maybe I should take mouth higher

[dusky trail]

i would just make the eyes a bit further away from the nose

[hardy yew]

I don't Know

[dusky trail]

well you can see his right eye is a bit too close to the nose there

the base of the nose that is

compare to his left eye

[hardy yew]

Hm

I did not understand about nose

[dusky trail]

well it is not a big problem anyway

[hardy yew]

Sanks for help

[hardy yew]

I'm very greatful to you

[onyx breach]

She meant too close to the nose

[hardy yew]

Oh

I see

Sank you anybody who helped me

Guys

You are cool

Your help very important for me

[hardy yew]

And

Can anybody help me with body of human?

[onyx breach]

show it

[hardy yew]

crying
My project has been deleted!

Why!?

Whyyyyyyyyyy!?

punching a table

[onyx breach]

ok

[hardy yew]

Mmmmmmmm

I think

I will drow a new project

Or

[hardy yew]

Stop

I have idea

[onyx breach]

stop replying to me, we're literally throwing chat at each other in a close distance, there are no other ongoing convo that might muddle up ours

[hardy yew]

YES!

[hardy yew]

Sorry

[hardy yew]

Mmmmmm
Nice add

[hardy yew]

Like this?

[dusky trail]

could lift the mouth up too though

since just ask Sel said yesterday, it is rather drop down

[hardy yew]

his muzzle is turned slightly down

*head

[dusky trail]

well from the look of it, only his muzzle is slightly down, not the head

[hardy yew]

Maybe you're right

I will fix it

[fair flare]

threw some rough colors on it now time to do some clean up

[molten flume]

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Providence. (@Phantasmaliagon)

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[oblique wing]

damn, that's pretty cool

[dusky trail]

look fine

[limpid spear]

wip 2

[onyx breach]

umu

[dusky trail]

i know it is still wip but the way the nose look so off compare to the rest just bother me so much

[unique surge]

prob bc of the dark shadow color

[hardy yew]

It's not finished

[hardy yew]

I finished

This our work

Guys

I'm very sank you

[full solstice]

👍

[glass glade]

critique?

[timber seal]

Im in pain

I hate

Colouring

[hardy yew]

👍