art-discussion-and-wip

[lament stump]

is wide?

or eyes are just too big

and makes them seem like they spread too widely on the face

?

[plain bane]

Nah, spacing between is a bit small, could easily be fixed by changing the left eye ||our left||

Left also looks like a different style to right

[lament stump]

alr I'll go over them and try to fix it

i hope i got where they should be right

[plain bane]

Just something quick

Not used to how you draw eyes but something more like that should be okay

Anyway I'm going back to genshin now, enjoy your art jurney aki ||misspelling on purpose ||

[lament stump]

hm

ig this is okay

[whole cloak]

no the jaw is not fine

Head looks a bit dislocated, try moving the head more to the left

[lament stump]

will do tomorrow

[lone wagon]

Sketches

My oc, yui again. I keep redesigning her.

[lament stump]

Yo

I just witnessed th 1st ep of blue period

It's anime about painting

Holy fuck i want to draw now even tho i drew like 4h today

[frank sundial]

Possible vtuber-like design. Very cute

[lone wagon]

These are roughly painted on, not final form but are these colours okay on her?

[whole cloak]

i really like the way you line
colors look fine to me
maybe make this part a bit higher/bigger? the reddish design

since the white on top looks a bit empty, might be on purpose idk

[lone wagon]

The bit on top meant to be see through. Like the apron bit

Ywah the colours are mostly white

I was inspired by this lolita outfit

[frank sundial]

yeah i like the colors so far

[lone wagon]

Thank you, im glad. Its hard to pick good colours for ocs

[supple sorrel]

wip

[lone wagon]

Looks really cool

[supple sorrel]

thanks 👍

[hardy yew]

nice!

[hardy yew]

tbh I rlly like it, I can definitely see it as one of those characters everyone enjoys

[cosmic rivet]

Hello everyone, I'm wondering if y'all could see her clothes looks weird, because it kinda looks weird enough for me but I don't how to fix it.

[hardy yew]

I think it’s because the jacket looks like a part of her shoulder

it looks good to me though

[rustic bone]

More like her shirt inside her jacket seems to blend with her skin

Like it's a part if her lol

[cosmic rivet]

Yea I think so too

Kiana drip are so challenging to me sigh

[grave nymph]

waow so many new people, channel’s becoming active now huh

[edgy cairn]

im not the best artist but im working on this, dw about the features like his shoes yet- (im too lazy to draw in) suggestions

[fiery lantern]

WOWH

[rustic bone]

Challenging for sure, but not impossible. It's just with flamecion you need to be more flexible since her design is really out there.

Every other form of kiana tho is manageable. HoTV to an extent lol

[cosmic rivet]

Yes, I'm working on it rn

[hybrid kernel]

Any tips for the leg?

[full solstice]

i think the knee is way too high up the leg

[whole cloak]

the place where the thigh connects to the hip is a tad too thin

[dusky trail]

same with the butt connect to the thigh part should be deeper

otherwise the leg that rise up seem to connect to the crotch rather flimsy

[stark karma]

I’ve been so busy today aaa here’s what I have so far 💚

Sketching the bg for now ,,

I am not gonna do lineart it’s such a pain

[grave nymph]

sketches are nice

always nice =w=

[solid glade]

Is the hand looks weird or I'm just imaging it, lol wip :>

[shadow nebula]

its too big and I'd recommend taking aphoto of your hand in the same position and using it as reference

[solid glade]

I like big hands

Maybe it's the position? That looks weird

[shadow nebula]

anatomically the hand is impossibly big but if you want it that way then keep it. Besides that use a reference to get hand anatomy correct

[solid glade]

Ok thanks

[dusky trail]

the middle join of the fingers are too long

that is why they look odd

you have the first one that short and then sudden a massive increase in length in the second join

[graceful echo]

Is this right?

The muscular body

I want to make pose like vanilla ice eaten by cream

[dawn rapids]

Greater thigh greater responsibility

[grave nymph]

wait what?

[shadow nebula]

use this as a reference

[dawn rapids]

Hulk

[grave nymph]

geez those muscles

anatomy

[shadow nebula]

quick and rough studies

[graceful echo]

Wth

[grave nymph]

nothing wrong with a good real life reference

[grave nymph]

🙇

[shadow nebula]

you want to always use references, no matter how skilled you are

[grave nymph]

mhm

that's a given

[graceful echo]

But i cant use it... Its too...

Idk how to say it

[grave nymph]

too complex?

[graceful echo]

Its normal for me but not for my parents...

[grave nymph]

Ah

It's a normal thing to do though

looking at pictures like that

when studying

[graceful echo]

Im scared if when im using it as my references and then my parents know....

[shadow nebula]

its the only way you can learn to draw

[graceful echo]

Not for indonesians parents (?)

[lament stump]

what's up with all these new names in the chat

that's so cool

[shadow nebula]

so you'll either have to be quick on hiding it or explain it

[graceful echo]

Hmm

[lament stump]

unless you are that japanese guy kim gi something

[graceful echo]

The body is good for reference, but how to make the hand do like what i want

[shadow nebula]

he would definitely still use references, not for all obviously because he's spent most of his art carrier studying the human body from references.

[shadow nebula]

thats something that you have to learn from studying. Art can be explained to a degree but you can't learn to do it without lots of practice

[grave nymph]

mhm

that's why people grind for exp

[graceful echo]

Ow okay

[shadow nebula]

https://www.deviantart.com/theposearchives/gallery/all

https://www.deviantart.com/adorkastock/gallery/all

use these for practice

I use them daily for gesture drawings along with actual nude art model photography for in depth studies

[lament stump]

https://tenor.com/view/sakurasou-sakurasounopet-perv-gif-21364042

[grave nymph]

imagine calling someone who studies art with nude art models a pervert

[lament stump]

nah the gif just looks cool

[dawn rapids]

😭

[dawn rapids]

How study this

[lament stump]

that was my question too at the start

but you just do that's all

start with man if you a man and women if you a women

[grave nymph]

gesture studies

anatomy

values

and stuff

you can also use them as pose references

[lament stump]

idk what was the nature of the question but

shii

look at my wip

[grave nymph]

o

am also working on a wip w

[lament stump]

send

[grave nymph]

eh

it's like

a rough rough rough draft

w

[lament stump]

then send when you feel like it's worthy enough

[grave nymph]

I'm still trying to figure out the pose and the vibe it should emit

my art? worthy?

then you'll not see anything until a year or two if I do w

[lament stump]

eh

[graceful echo]

Can someone tell me whats wrong with my hand draw...

What is the thing that makes the hand weird?

I feel something weird at the middle finger untill the short one (i forgot what its called in english)

[shadow nebula]

If you used a reference, draw over it to get a feel for how its supposed to be. If you didn‘t take a photo of your hand in the pose you want and do that. Overall the thumb looks broken and like its not actually part of the hand, instead of having 3 bones making up the fingers (thumb not included) you only have 2. Fingers don’t end in a point, they are rounded but blocky. Fingers aren’t bending naturally. The lines on the palm don’t follow the muscles as they naturally should. Ignore the skin creases for now and focus on finding the general shapes of things

[graceful echo]

Ah ok

Is it mean i should take a photo of my hand do the pose and tracing it?

[lusty hazel]

what the cat doing

[lament stump]

Cat is the coolest part

Not sure about how the head is positioned

[grave patrol]

guys do u have any references for anatomy?

[lament stump]

I'll finish the sketch when i come home and will ping sel and thoes others

[lament stump]

Pinterest

Go there

Type

Anatomy male reference

Or female

And you'll find so much

[grave patrol]

thanks

[inner talon]

i dont think tracing will help all the time, eventually you’ll need to learn how to draw without tracing so maybe you should compare your hand to the one you drew and see the differences and then fix the weird looking parts

[ocean flower]

What tracing can help you with is take what you see and break it down

For example you take a photo of your hand and break it down into simple shapes

When you do that, you can understand how you can replicate it without tracing

And make your "formula" to draw that specific thing

[inner talon]

yes

[graceful echo]

Ok

[graceful echo]

Ooo

[lone wagon]

I love my angry little chibi. Shes so cute.

[hazy lichen]

AWEE

[graceful echo]

How about this.... Second try of making hand

[dusky trail]

the joins need to be more balance

[arctic peak]

Oh no

[dusky trail]

you don't go from longest to shortest like that

[lusty breach]

Ill start coloring now

[arctic peak]

I'll start drawing

Now

[graceful echo]

Then?

[hazy lichen]

look at ur own hand

Most of them are similar length

[inner talon]

or you could just do a quick google search for an image of a hand

[hazy lichen]

the end one is shorter ig

[hazy lichen]

yes

[graceful echo]

Owhh ok

[dusky trail]

while your first join already too long

[graceful echo]

Hmm

[inner talon]

the one at the tip is way too short compared to the other two, but those two (especially the one closest to the palm) are too long

[dusky trail]

the thumb, which suppose to be bigger than all the fingers also look like the smallest too

[graceful echo]

Then how to make it better... Should i make long first and then cut(?) it to 3 squares?

[dusky trail]

if you trying to do grasping hand then do a long one not gonna work on it

you should just be able to eyeball the length

to at least make them too long compare to each other

[graceful echo]

Wdym eyeball the length?

[dusky trail]

use your eyes to see if one is longer than other

[graceful echo]

Oh

[dusky trail]

so those are lips...

you lied to me~~

[craggy smelt]

he kinda looks hot

[cosmic rivet]

UUUWOOOOOOOOOOOOOGGGGGGHHHHHH 😳😳

[onyx breach]

hmm

[lament stump]

GUYS

I bought a sketch book

LET'S GO

I also got this

[grave nymph]

you dont have a sketch book?

[lament stump]

Am i supposed to carve it out

The pencil

To get that cool

Big chunk

Of graphite

[dusky trail]

why can't you just buy a figurine like a normal person

[hazy lichen]

Ur hand

[lament stump]

You saw my hand :O

[hazy lichen]

yes

figurine?

[grave nymph]

time to use it as reference

[dusky trail]

you know, those reference figure made so you can pose

[hazy lichen]

yes

I have anime figures tho

[lament stump]

Anyways it's time to do some cool sketching

[hazy lichen]

I saved that image btw

[dusky trail]

meanwhile my kind of figurine

[supple sorrel]

imma post it on twitter too

[dusky trail]

i'm quite into sitting position figurines lately

maybe because figma just do a horrible job with sitting pose so those kind of figure just give better reference

[ocean flower]

Woah

Cool

But I don't understand where the body is facing

[grave nymph]

body facing to the right, while she's facing to the camera

cus the clothes

[dusky trail]

unless she has weird booba chestplate on the front then it is quite simple to tell her head is on the side

[supple sorrel]

she has her head slightly tilted

[ocean flower]

Probably it looks weird to me because the chin is slightly offset

[grave nymph]

geez, I have no idea if this is even anatomically correct or something, I should find some references online

[lament stump]

anythhing too off?

[grave nymph]

lul that pose is hiding her hands w

[lament stump]

i have done some hands

time to stop hiding feet

does she look ok?

head isn't in weird place or anything like that?

[grave nymph]

for me her clothes look weird

then again it's probably the design or something

[dusky trail]

neck broken and if she putting her glove on, it would be better to her have fingers straight out

[grave nymph]

what is she supposed to be wearing anyways

[grave nymph]

pain

how about the bottom half of her body? anything that looks weird?

[grave nymph]

well it's not really putting gloves on, more like adjusting it? if that's the word?

[woven temple]

It looks good! But try making her legs a little longer! They look too small for her body

[lament stump]

rlyyy?

they all told me to shorten the legs

i made them shorter

[dusky trail]

https://cdn.donmai.us/sample/11/63/__florence_nightingale_fate_and_1_more_drawn_by_manno_kanpi2100__sample-1163a34c920e9ac2cc187a1bd2acaae7.jpg

[lament stump]

but ig i over did it

[grave nymph]

o

[dusky trail]

and it just the head bigger than the rest of the body as usual

[grave nymph]

pain

oh well, can always adjust that during the sketching phase

[woven temple]

It’s okay!! Also try to come back to ur art in like an hour! Bc when u come back after a while, u see the little mistakes better! That’s what i always do!

[lament stump]

i just came back 1st time today and i see something that i didn't

it looks like this foot is going a little inwoards

[grave nymph]

can Shikni-sensei enlighten this dumb artist about the mistake I made that made her look like her neck looks broken?

[dusky trail]

go draw a straight line from the bottom to the neck of her body

then draw another line from the neck to the head

then look how much of an angle that head look compare to the body

[lament stump]

i think it's supposted to be like that

shik do you have any ref of good footwear so i can hide my toes?

her toes*

[lament stump]

my ocs toes

[dusky trail]

shouldn't you just go and decide what kind of shoes would fit her

either shoes or boot or just sock

[dusky trail]

go ask Hanami for fashion advice

[lament stump]

no idea how to

make this fit my perspective

[dusky trail]

then do a good old trick "cut off part of the frame so the feet won't be in the picture"

[lament stump]

and i don't want to draw toes

noooooo

[dusky trail]

then why did you pick that kind of footwear of all thing

[lament stump]

i don't wanna

I DON'T KNOW

and it's not like I can't change it

now send some cool lookin things that hide toes

[dusky trail]

get a cat

[lament stump]

wdym get a cat

[lament stump]

no

that would ruin the mood

[dusky trail]

then draw the toes

or one use feet to hide the other

[lament stump]

hm

[dusky trail]

the feet would be completely side way

why are you draw it like you looking from her heel

[lament stump]

I'm los

t

[dusky trail]

side way feet =3=

[lament stump]

looks ok?

[grave nymph]

why does her, supposedly the "thumb" but feet, toe looks like the other toes

[dusky trail]

it is side way so you don't even need to make all the toes visible

also the feet would have more curve

[dusky trail]

the other one seem fine but the heel need to be push back a bit

well just use that feet i just put up there

[lament stump]

there's 2

left or right

i assume her right

ok

[dusky trail]

her right, your left

[lament stump]

cool

well the feet aren't the main focuss so they don't need to be thattt good

[dusky trail]

sure

[grave nymph]

which stigmata is this if I may kindly ask? 👀

[dusky trail]

the one you don't have

[grave nymph]

ah that one w

I thought it was a new one, I guess you just flipped the picture and screenshotted/cropped it huh

[dusky trail]

need to make it simple so even Aki can understand

[grave nymph]

LOL

[shadow nebula]

@lament stump don’t use anime art to learn to draw feet. A lot of anime artists are not the best at them or in anime’s case rushed and dumbed down to the point they don’t resemble feet very well. Use actual photography for references

[lament stump]

alr but I'm not learning rn

i just wanna make it resemble a feet so my drawing looks fine

[grave nymph]

not having references for the actual outfit's pain

also can someone help me visualize this part?

am always confused when it comes to those

[lusty plaza]

tch drawing is for nerds

[dusky trail]

just look at that

or that

[grave nymph]

arigatou gozaimuch

[lusty plaza]

hmm I feel Ive seen you somewhere before shikniful

[dusky trail]

or that

you probably just imagine it

[lusty plaza]

just shade it

folds arent drawn

shading is what brings folds and any other cloth structure to life

[onyx breach]

but some folds wouldnt make sense if theres no wrinkle in the outline

[dusky trail]

i think Shii just not sure how the arm look in the clothe's hole?

[grave nymph]

yeah

[onyx breach]

i think hes not sure how the arm part's clothes fold

[grave nymph]

can't visualize it enough

[grave nymph]

since the cloth used on that outfit's not like those ones

[dusky trail]

then there

[grave nymph]

thank you for the reference 🙏

[dusky trail]

didn't think it actually get through

discord filter is weird as usual

but rather interesting to see Oyari used more curve compare to back then

[grave nymph]

wow that's a lot of improvement when it comes to coloring

[dusky trail]

long hair also feel less stiff

[onyx breach]

the power of curves to portray motion is powerful on a still image 🤤

thats also why old superheroes have c apes back then

comic artists wanted to portray motion when they're flying

[lament stump]

why is their hair shaded lightly on the inside

[onyx breach]

its chibi

[dusky trail]

you draw Seele, someone also with different inner hair color before

and you wonder why those 2 have that kind of hair?

[onyx breach]

oh you meant that, ye artists usually put those usually on black hairs to make them look like they're further than they actually are

[hollow vine]

Oooff noice

[onyx breach]

notice how the further the mountains get, the lighter they appear like they're enveloped in white haze, its to portray distance

obv this isnt how it should be in hairs but its anime so logics fly off the window

another ex of hair having white haze

[grave nymph]

that’s a looooot of hair

[onyx breach]

this is the game that inspired me to take learning digi art seriously

and their chars are notorious for having insanely long hairs

[hollow vine]

Nutaku huh

[onyx breach]

no, thats the company, the game's called KamiHime Project

[hollow vine]

Oh okay

[robust tapir]

Very sus

[hollow vine]

I will think its unavailable

[robust tapir]

I mean i did bought a game at nutaku .... Their novels are soso

[onyx breach]

they're only a game platform...like Steam so the games you buy arent rlyt theirs

they're only hosting it

[robust tapir]

Ero games illustrations are good ngl

But ... The boing boing

Is.... exaggerated

[hollow vine]

[dusky trail]

but eroge's design though~

[frank sundial]

Also common in jmmorpgs

[dusky trail]

if only jmmorpgs has that nice design

most the time you just get basic fantasy gear along with countless amount of school uniform and what not in the sho

[frank sundial]

Less armor design = higher defense attributes usually

[dusky trail]

JRPG would have more freedom on that kind of design

[grave nymph]

So their defense stats go to their skin

got it

but still though

what’s the point of armor if it won’t cover the vital organs

+style points perhaps?

[robust tapir]

They...they have...m .. magic barriers

[dusky trail]

because even the normal clothe is so tough that enemy can't even scratch them

[frank sundial]

To attract gamers to spend money on gems to get the best in-game outfit of course

Also anime

Anime is usually the best argument

[robust tapir]

At least in anime you can see the actions why are they not taking damage and stuff

[dusky trail]

and then we have monster hunter

[onyx breach]

i found budget mobius

[grave nymph]

LOL

[dusky trail]

though that "Mobius" is a bit

[grave nymph]

[lament stump]

should her hands

be

before hair

or behind here

[dusky trail]

what is she even doing with her hands

[lament stump]

no idea

i guess she put them between three and head so head doesn't hurt

then ig it should be behind hair

[dusky trail]

you really should decided the pose properly before go into thing

[onyx breach]

like this?

[lament stump]

ye

hm

1 or 2

top right is changed

our right

[onyx breach]

are her hands tying her hair?

or just showing pits?

[lament stump]

IDK

[lament stump]

this

[dusky trail]

well her arms would be to deep in the head to tied her hair

[onyx breach]

you have to know what you want before drawing man

[dusky trail]

so the only option is to show pit

[lament stump]

okay she's shouwing pit

so

1 or

2

[onyx breach]

neither, if thats what youre going for then the arms should be more spread out like a yoga pose

[dusky trail]

while there is nothing wrong with see cool pose and want to draw it, at least try to imagine how you gonna do the pose

[onyx breach]

this spread

[lament stump]

eh

can my pose somehow work?

[onyx breach]

If you put it like this

[lament stump]

:(((((

[onyx breach]

what i dont get is that the execution was good enough but when it came to this stage you tripped 🤔

[lament stump]

wdym

[onyx breach]

probably because you hesitated on what the pose will really look like in the middle stage

[lament stump]

no, to me arms looked fine

still look fine

i was going for

she's resting on a tree

[onyx breach]

this part needs redraw

[dusky trail]

well he saw that pose from a reference and decide to go for it after all

so he kinda picked the pose first before think about what to do with it

[onyx breach]

😦

[lament stump]

neck

or

?

[lament stump]

okayy, next time I'll think before i start a pose

[onyx breach]

neck to shoulder

[lament stump]

idk how it's supposted to look tho

[onyx breach]

i already red lined it

[lament stump]

BUT THEN

i need arm

s

and then boob goes up

and then everything doomed

[onyx breach]

thats why its called sketch stage coz youll have to fix as much as possible

what you want to avoid is noticing the error when youre already at coloring stage

[lusty plaza]

Shikiniful sensei

[lament stump]

@onyx breach

good?

okay that left elbow sucks

but apart from that

[dusky trail]

nah, it is Delay-sensei's time now

[onyx breach]

bring this a lil bit higher than her right coz this is closer to the camera

[lament stump]

oh right i forgot to do that part

[onyx breach]

we'll face the fix as well after this

i didnt do it correctly at first coz i was in rush but collarbone meet like this

[lament stump]

her boobs at the right place?

[onyx breach]

im not sure what size youre aiming for but heres a rough guideline

[lament stump]

thanks

[onyx breach]

note that this muscles always align whenever the arms are spread high up

and depending on how meaty someone is, its either very visible or very faint

[lament stump]

on non meaty ones it's very visible?

[onyx breach]

for very petite ones theyre faint but still visible since their muscles arent as big coz their body frame isnt as well

[lament stump]

got it

alr I'll stop here for the day

i hope everything looks cool

if there's anything fucked I'll fix it tonight

||pls say if anything's fucked thanks||

[whole cloak]

the arms look like they cut off

looks like the bust connects to the wrong place?

[lament stump]

no idea but could you redline cuz idk how to make her arms not cutted off

[whole cloak]

add hands or change the angle of the arms
also the hair on her right should be in front of her shoulder

[lament stump]

thanks

[whole cloak]

actually I see issues in my redline don’t follow for the back of her left arm

[frank sundial]

the arms positioning reminds me of the me!me!me! dance

[dusky trail]

at least someone remember me!me!me! instead of that tiktok dance thing

[hardy yew]

what tiktok thing lmao

i didnt know the name of the dance but it reminds me of it

[dusky trail]

2 phuthon or something? it just everywhere for awhile and became quite annoying

[frank sundial]

people on tiktok called it the zero two dance because someone made an animated zero two version of the me!me!me!

2 phut hon is the vietnamese song name but its actually a remix of the original i think

[dusky trail]

and then it just slowly spreading out to various thing

[frank sundial]

ya other artists began doing other characters using same animation dance

but the zero two one was the most well-known

no doubt it was alot of work because you had to draw each frame

[dusky trail]

and of course Genshin MMD just jump right in the bandwagon

[frank sundial]

yeah there is the HoV one, but idk who made it

[dusky trail]

good thing Honkai MMD is more into k-pop and j-pop dance than that

[frank sundial]

that is true

77T rendering makes one of the best rendering works on their youtube channel

for mmd dance on kpop and jpop

I think they mostly do genshin character models nowadays

i would post it here but too risky

[edgy cairn]

just a quick suggestion, but try flipping ur drawing and fixing ur proportions that way and flipping it again (repeat) it really helps making it look natural

[lament stump]

Okay thanks

[onyx breach]

how are you still awake?

[frank sundial]

a small project. My animator just sent me the result

Aki doesn't need sleep

slowly becoming a full-fledged artist where sleep is non-existent and bombarded with commissions with short deadlines

[grave nymph]

would be nice to see some fire effects

[graceful echo]

Cool...

[hardy yew]

this crown fr looks different every time i draw it

[idle tartan]

ive been at this for way too long holy shit

[onyx breach]

not long enough to be finished

[shadow nebula]

quick studies

[lament stump]

That was only 23:43 for me

[buoyant sky]

Aki you're in the same time zone as I am 🤨

Where do you live

Dhdhhd

[dusky trail]

he is in your house all along

[lament stump]

Serbia

You?

Oh

Your "about me" says it

Poland is cool

[buoyant sky]

No it isn't lmao

[buoyant sky]

Oh

Wait

Where is it

Nvm I remember

Shshdhhd

Shitty country that I always mistaken with Slovenia at geography tests

[lament stump]

Rude

But yea it definitely isn't the best country out there

[dawn rapids]

Home address

[lament stump]

@dusky trail have you ever practiced still objects?

[onyx breach]

oh btw @lament stump did your pen display arrived already?

[lament stump]

So the thing with that was

It said it was shipped but it wasn't shipped

Cuz it started shipping to Serbia at mid October

So i got my money refunded like October 10th

And i needed to borrow that money to my mom cuz she needed it

So getting the tablet is postponed untill yew years or something like that

[onyx breach]

So what are you using to draw now?

[dusky trail]

why do i need that

[grave nymph]

[onyx breach]

i can relate to this pose coz i do it everytime i wear my drawing glove

[grave nymph]

[onyx breach]

make this part longer and adjust how the finger folds

[grave nymph]

naruhodo

[onyx breach]

This too

[dusky trail]

her fingers also rather swollen in some place and the joins are in different length too

[onyx breach]

also, waist is almost non existent

[dusky trail]

make it likes her hand just got sat on by some fat doujin guy

[onyx breach]

this line shouldnt exist yet

[grave nymph]

?-?

[onyx breach]

remove it

[grave nymph]

oke

so the arm's also no good huh

[onyx breach]

i already redlined the proper arm

[grave nymph]

yeah looking back it looks weird w

[dusky trail]

because you make it likes she has 3 arm joins

[grave nymph]

kek

[dusky trail]

or a really bendy upper arm and short lower arm

[grave nymph]

idk how to do the folds for this one

[grave nymph]

ah

w

[dusky trail]

well the fold focus point will be on the inner elbow

as it will fold up when you bend the arm and sketch out all the way to the shoulder

like how her arm look there

[grave nymph]

naruhodo

[dusky trail]

and also go make the finger's joins more similar in length

[grave nymph]

yeah, that hand was mostly for figuring how it should look w

time to do the second draft

hands are hard

[dusky trail]

ok

[grave nymph]

[dusky trail]

well then, with the limited amount of reference you can get from Eden as of now

guess i can't lewd her just yet

she only show the upper half of her body right now =3=

[grave nymph]

lul

geez hands are hard

well at least I'm learning something w

[dusky trail]

try to balance out with the rest of your style at least

it would be better if her hand slightly bigger and fingers shorter

just like the rest of the body

[grave nymph]

[dusky trail]

your style is closer to slice-of-life style

[grave nymph]

must be the influence of all the SoL anime I watched back then w

[dusky trail]

then just fully embrace it, like Shennai Misha

[grave nymph]

I wanna change it though

[dusky trail]

you won't be able to

[grave nymph]

[dusky trail]

well, you gonna need to adjust the length of your char for that

just look at how fat Pikachu was when he first show up

[grave nymph]

overall?

or just a specific part?

geez I can't visualize this part at all

[low vector]

Sakura nee okairi

[dusky trail]

everything

[grave nymph]

pain peko

oh well time to abuse the transform tool

🏃

[dusky trail]

if we use this, your will be around the 130cm style

[grave nymph]

that's so sus

oof

[dusky trail]

it is fine because they are all "train"

[grave nymph]

o-o;

[dusky trail]

https://anilist.co/anime/114263/Rail-Romanesque/

https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/714800/extras/Hachiroku_rounded.png?t=1580429683

so don't worry, she only one month old

well when your draw, just set aside the kind of body style you aim to be

human is quite easy to be influence by thing so you will start compare the height you want to be to your while drawing

and adjusting it

[grave nymph]

time to use a ruler w

o-o;

[dusky trail]

=3=

also that part is just this

or that

[grave nymph]

thank you for the references

[lament stump]

One by wacom small

[lament stump]

Well idk what to draw in my sketch book except that

[dusky trail]

draw your OC

or even just practice drawing pose

like Sai done from time to time here

[arctic nymph]

Doing a honkai-style outfit for an oc, which purple hue looks nicer? I cannot decide

[dusky trail]

i personally go for stronger purple

also her left leg looks rather broken

[lament stump]

That sounds sooooo cool

I have an oc

[dusky trail]

because it doesn't bend in natural way so it just look like she broke her leg and now it just flapping around

[lament stump]

Me cool af

[arctic nymph]

The cooler purple feels like it would fit the universe a lil better

[arctic nymph]

Thank you, but I only came here to ask about colour.

[dusky trail]

then i will go for purple

[lament stump]

1st looks better to me

[arctic nymph]

Fixed! How does it look?

[dusky trail]

ya, it looks match the other one too

[arctic nymph]

Copy paste go brr

[dusky trail]

hah

[lament stump]

Shik would never

[dusky trail]

i never say it is wrong to copy/paste though

like with my OC, do you think i just draw all the parts instead of just copy and flip it around

[arctic nymph]

Its a tool, tools are there to be used. That’s how I see it

[grave nymph]

yuh

why be stubborn about using shortcuts/techniques/tools if it can make your life easier w

[onyx breach]

its a stupid boomer principle, let them have it, their mindset are outdated anyway

its like those salty traditional artists saying digi art isnt true art coz you arent using true brushes and canvas

[lament stump]

Who started this argument

Me?

[onyx breach]

no

noone, and it aint an argument

[arctic nymph]

Large mutual agreement

[lament stump]

Oh

Okay

Only thing i hated about ctlr c clrt v is that is puts it on a seperated layer

[graceful echo]

Cool

[lament stump]

Then i learn thet you can merge that layer with layer below

Drawing is hard

[dusky trail]

you need to practice a smoother curve

[lament stump]

It's so hard on paper

Like

Damn how hard it is

[lament stump]

seems like everyone is starting to get more open to the 3D models idea

imo they are cool but i feel like tracing over it and having a perfect anatomy just cuz i traced over something is eh

ik you stil gotta draw clother and shit, just having a perfect body from the get go seems weird

I'm prob gonna use them once i get better, just like in math, you can solve 2+2 in your head or you can use calculator and speed the process up, I'll speed the process up once ik what 2+2 is

[dusky trail]

well you don't even need to trace after it

just like when you draw a frame sketch, you have no reason to draw the same exact line when you do lineart either

like here where you can see the position shift quite a lot in compare

so there is no problem to use 3D model if you just treat it as a frame and still draw the line your way

[granite coral]

Wip of the yatta

[grave nymph]

uh what pose/expression are you going for?

[dusky trail]

what even is that in the first place

[granite coral]

Idk

I don't consider myself an artist

I just draw

But rn i have deleted and remade it around 3 times

Rn looking like this

[dusky trail]

well we all start it from somewhere, even just as a doodle

[grave nymph]

mhm

[granite coral]

Should i paint it ?
((Imma redo lines thought so it doesn't look with so much lines and all))

I give up

[charred umbra]

Never say never, grab an eraser amd redraw that face

[granite coral]

Too late

[charred umbra]

Lol

[granite coral]

Already erased all

[lone wagon]

When you try to do art but you own a cat.

Hes sitting in my keyboard

[dusky trail]

just let him do the color for you

[lone wagon]

Im not even doing the colouring yet, just got started on doing the lineart xD

[frank sundial]

same vibe

[lone wagon]

Lmao

So cute

[deft cairn]

Cosette 😊💕

[onyx breach]

although using calculator will make you an idiot which represents the 3d model in csp coz you arent learning anatomy at all, youre only tracing

[onyx breach]

☝️

[dusky trail]

@onyx breach don't you just love the kind of client only know vaguely what they want to order, have no reference so you have to keep changing thing during the sketch and the lineart~~

[onyx breach]

the indecisive ones 🤣

where it takes several days just to get out of sketch stage coz they arent even sure what they want and they just slowly go through the process until theyre satisfied with it

[dusky trail]

at least sometime they know how much of a pain it is to keep changing thing and give you some extra tip after the work is done

[onyx breach]

Yup but sometimes they also dont

[dusky trail]

and all you left with a weird mess you not sure if you want to put it in your page or not

[onyx breach]

hahaha

sometimes its almost as if they want us to decide for them

[hardy yew]

amazing

[dusky trail]

but then after you decided it for them, they just think of something else and change it anyway

[onyx breach]

yup

[dusky trail]

"can you made a swimsuit that similar to her base design?"

then after you stare the official design for a good awhile, try to make a swimsuit look close enough to they default outfit

then they just "i kinda want it to have frill, can you give her double layer of frills?"

and so you just erase all that work and just throw in some cheap frill..

[onyx breach]

ye, gotta have to deal with indecisive ppl sometimes

[dusky trail]

so remember that @lament stump , don't be that kind of weirdo who can't decide what he want to do then keep changing thing mid-way

though feel like if Aki ever start commission and meet that kind of client, he would just gave up half way and return the money or something

[onyx breach]

he'll rage at the first redraw and block the client

[regal hazel]

@daring walrus

[lament stump]

the 1st part of that sentence is the goall

[regal hazel]

<@&421210366132092929>

[dusky trail]

so you want to meet that kind of client, got it

[solemn inlet]

sus

new scam method

[onyx breach]

Truly

[frank sundial]

I sometimes am indecisive but am not sure if I was that bad

it took me awhile before I could finally come up with a design

I cannot remember if I was like that with you @onyx breach

[onyx breach]

nah

but i have a very old regular who almost always make me decide the details for him

[frank sundial]

that's pretty much how pixiv and skeb goes

usually the artists there have complete artistic freedom

[onyx breach]

the conversation almost always goes like this: hi, i want you to draw something for me again, which of this reference do you like? then i decide and then he be like, ok now about her clothes, i've compiled several references, which one do you like and it goes on and on until we finish all the details he want

[dusky trail]

well pixiv artist also often selling merc

from simple art print to sometime artbook

[frank sundial]

yeah good way to make good money from fans

[onyx breach]

🤔 its almost as if im on a character creator everytime

[frank sundial]

usually artbooks i think

[frank sundial]

it do feel like that sometimes

[onyx breach]

its kind of weird for me to decide coz its the client paying for it but if i think about it as a home owner asking an engineer for design suggestions i think i can put my feelings away and just get through with it

[smoky osprey]

arknights making me draw so many horse women

[dusky trail]

i rather horse-like armor

[smoky osprey]

but horse girls

[dusky trail]

that is rather normal looking leg for a horse girl

while i always like monster girl's design

but i also like normal looking legs than animal's leg

[smoky osprey]

lol

[smoky osprey]

ah arknights really blessing us with the nearls

and blessing me with sketches ill never finish

[lament stump]

1 or 2

or 3?

i got it????

or is 2 still the best

[dusky trail]

3 it is

[lament stump]

if this is 3 nice

[smoky osprey]

your lines for 2 are kinda sharp

[lament stump]

turns you oN?

[smoky osprey]

no it looks weird

would you like an arrowhead sticking out from your armpit

[lament stump]

okay we agreed on 3

no arrowhead that may or may not turns you on

[smoky osprey]

i mostly look at the face

[lament stump]

ALRRRRRRRRRR

@dusky trail you can't roast this masterpiece

jk don't nitpick it or I'll die

so anything toooooo off?

[dusky trail]

feet too small, she will die the moment she stand up

[lament stump]

okay i guyss that ain't hard to fix

this one better?

but now

it can be seen]

that her stupid foor

fell off that footwear

[dusky trail]

use a gray background at least

barely see anything

[lament stump]

that's cuz you're old

ok better?

oh fuck

her leg

can i just not do bg and color this?

[whole cloak]

idk why arms still look off
also head
fix head

and what are they wearing

[shadow nebula]

the outer muscle line you have is incorrect. Use that as your reference

look at her arm to see how the skin covers the muscles

[lone wagon]

What do you usually write about for character design sheets? I just keep staring at empty boxes/

[dusky trail]

small profile like what she like and what she hate

can also be the relationship between her and the other OC

[lone wagon]

She's my only one rn but i do have other ocs in mind. I just wanted to perfect her first

[dusky trail]

or her special trademark dialogue that she love to say when Hanami flip her skirt

[lone wagon]

[lament stump]

if you have no ide

a

[lone wagon]

Her skirt gonna be hard to flip

[lament stump]

ask why she has an eyepatch

and answer

and yea

that could be a cool thing for her story

prob not for that sheet

@dusky trail you have 2 ocs right?

[dusky trail]

just put some trivial you want her to have

[lone wagon]

Shes a powerful dragon. The eyepatch stops her from going insane. Basically when she removes it, the more she uses her powers the older she gets

Shes gonna hsve an ara ara form too

[dusky trail]

so a chuuni, got it

[lone wagon]

[lament stump]

gotta say how old is she tho

that's always the best part

[lone wagon]

The eyepatch stops her powers but that also means it stops her aging

[dusky trail]

then just

[lone wagon]

She basically looks like how she's suppose to look, an older woman but ahes too strong so it had to be sealed

The cliche type of character

[lament stump]

that looks sooooo harddd

[dusky trail]

and my OC are not use for that kind of thing

[lament stump]

your fav "reference" save

[lament stump]

what are they used for?

[dusky trail]

one basically for my avatar and one for "personal" use

[lament stump]

so she's 10000000 yrs old?

but her body is 12

[lone wagon]

No

XD

Shes not that old

[shadow nebula]

if you find it too difficult just remove the outer muscle line, it'll look more correct without it since where you have it that muscle doesn't exist

[lament stump]

what's 10mil yrs...

[lone wagon]

12? She looks 12?

[lament stump]

hm I ain't a wussy

[lone wagon]

That's too old

[lament stump]

I'll try and do it

[lone wagon]

Shes mesnt ro look at least 6

[lament stump]

you think

i know a difference

between anime 6 and 12

why doesn't that part curve in

[dusky trail]

sure, that totally make it easier to see

[lament stump]

well that heart

I NEVER LEARND HOW TO SPELL THAT WORD

hart

hearth

I HAVE

no clue

[dusky trail]

"the thing beating in humanoid chest"

[lament stump]

yes

heart

i got it right the 1st time

LES GO

[lone wagon]

Its called being too lazy. It doesn't look too off ao i didnt bother to change it.

I was like. Ehh thats fine

[lament stump]

sooooo

anyone has tree refss?

[lone wagon]

Another thing is that the eyepatch also too high up, definitely nees to fix that

[lament stump]

these to fancy

[lone wagon]

You can download tree brushes

[lament stump]

i need this

[lament stump]

CHEATING

jk i don't give a fuck

[lone wagon]

Not really, it saves time

[lament stump]

let me get them real quick

hanami

you use csp?

you look like a person who does tbh

[dusky trail]

that is Hanami-cist

[lament stump]

btw

i tought you got angry at me

cuz i called you old

it was rude af

I'm sorry

[dusky trail]

if i ever bother with that kind of thing, i won't bully for fun everyday

[lament stump]

wouldn't

[lament stump]

wtf lmao

[dusky trail]

gag brush are plenty

[lament stump]

AND THEN

SHIK SAYS

I DIDN'T IMPROVE

[lone wagon]

Yeah i do, i love doing the lineart on there. Its si easy

The lines i found it to be a lot smoother on tbere

Thir default brushes qre pretty good also

[smoky osprey]

wow

leaps and bounds there aki

[lament stump]

Yes

[smoky osprey]

yall got refs of someone sitting cross legged

but side view

[hardy yew]

the improvement damnnn

[fiery lantern]

LMAO

[hollow marlin]

DerpAsta

I literally tried to make details

[wary iris]

“I will become the Wizard King Yuno”

[late carbon]

[strong pond]

hii lol

[hardy yew]

Art I did a long time ago (this was supposed to be Halloween themed lmao-)

O God I've posted

This was like months ago or smth

[dusky trail]

which kind of cross legs

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fategrandorder/images/b/ba/S182_Stage1-3.webp/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/512?cb=20210131135216

https://cdn.donmai.us/sample/61/f9/__reno_and_reno_azur_lane_drawn_by_pandea_work__sample-61f9d4ddaaca3df831e168ac060f0325.jpg

[hardy yew]

I remember that series 😭

[smoky osprey]

Ah rishtar

Forgot she had a good pose

Yeah that kind of crossing

Kindergarten share circle kind of cross legged

[hardy yew]

Glitchtaleee

[dusky trail]

well it certainly a rare pose to see sideway

[hardy yew]

[dusky trail]

https://cdn.donmai.us/original/8f/cd/__saitou_shuka_real_life_drawn_by_hyugo__8fcda5b78acd0af9a25dd61cd5298e07.png

well it probably more popular for male char but i not gonna keep that kind of reference~

for girl, you mainly see front view of it

[smoky osprey]

Ooh thanks

Yeah client wants a side view

Poses I can’t do lmao

Wouldn’t have taken it if it wasn’t a mutual friend

[dusky trail]

and that is why client from friend can be a pain

[onyx breach]

heh i remember back in highschool since our armchairs are so jampacked to each other we bois had to learn women's style of cross-legged if we wanna do cross leg during class coz theres no way male ver of cross leg is possible with the amount of space our legs have