art-discussion-and-wip

[dusky trail]

https://cdn.donmai.us/sample/ce/71/__saotome_ranma_and_ranma_chan_ranma_1_2_drawn_by_takahashi_rumiko__sample-ce71ff50d24b4ed4762090259ae64c8d.jpg

a lot of old series love to use that same hair style with the weirdly huge part on the top there

[lone wagon]

For sure

[dusky trail]

https://cdn.donmai.us/original/d8/a0/__lum_moroboshi_ataru_miyake_shinobu_ten_and_mendou_shuutarou_urusei_yatsura_drawn_by_nakajima_atsuko__d8a003712539978b5cbeb3c0369d067f.jpg

[lone wagon]

The eyes

[dusky trail]

ah ya, the old style also love to have huge eyes for the girls while small dot for the boy

[lone wagon]

Not just girls

[dusky trail]

also love to have top naked android

[lone wagon]

Oh they do xD

They really like futuristic stuff

[hallow marsh]

Oh my shining force!!!! Good times

[dusky trail]

sci-fi used to be all the rage after all

[lone wagon]

Detective conan

Illustration came developed a lot too

[dusky trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWD0omVJgaU

conan and other long running series kinda fun when you compare the artist current art style and the old one

[lone wagon]

Like the manga covers now compared to old ones

Old ones were very very busy with ltos of characters

Now most just have 1 character on it

[dusky trail]

a lot of new one also have habit of throwing some many text on the cover...

[lone wagon]

Yeah

[dusky trail]

specially those adapt from novel

[lone wagon]

I enjoy the one piece covers

[dusky trail]

https://mangadex.org/title/f9b568bd-e707-4fd9-b74e-1728948e2806/my-engagement-was-called-off-under-false-accusations-but-who-ever-said-my-face-was-ugly-beneath-the-mask

just look at that name

[lament stump]

Genshin 2.2 live o.O

[dusky trail]

i just gonna be lazy and wait for the stream summary

[lone wagon]

I don't care rhat much for genshin anymore. I just hear about all the drama

So ik a bit of what's going on

[dusky trail]

i mainly play it to see if anything fun to draw

so pretty much just a casual player

jzz i never like it when the translator just randomly color one page like this

it also because for some reason, most of the colored version seem to use that exact skin color along with dark color for other part

and of course they didn't clear the tone apply on the manga so it looks even more like a mess

[lone wagon]

I'm excited for this

The colours are so pretty in blue protocol

I love the bright colours and the feel

[dusky trail]

the problem is when will they thing gonna show up

i do like the design and char creation so far

[lone wagon]

Me too the option to customize the characters is something I've always liked

Because when it comes to costumes I go crazy

[dusky trail]

the costume is the reason why i hate a lot of MMORPG nowaday

[lone wagon]

I heard its pf2 friendly but we'll see about that

[dusky trail]

they too focus on shop outfit and barely give much attention or sometime not at all

[lone wagon]

I heard the only paid part is the costumes though

You can grind everything else but costumes. Which idm

I hate it when the best weapons are locked behind pay and you cna pay to be strong af

[dusky trail]

well you know how ppl react when they hear a game has any pay shop

[lone wagon]

When they hsve no limits to how strong you can go from pay. Like only the best stuff you get from pay. Those ones are the most annoying.

Idm costume pays

It's gonna be a free game after all so it's expected they gonna charge you for soemthing

[dusky trail]

a lot of games putting modern outfit into the shop so i never care much about it

i will just stick to fantasy theme outfit

[lone wagon]

If the outfit good I pay

Always how it's been

But yeah the artstyle is pretty good so far with blue protocol

I'm excited

I csnt imagine you can do much fanart with it though

Unless they release lots of classes

[dusky trail]

you probably can, there are a good amount of established character anyway

so you may don't have much idea for your char but other main story chars should still be good

[lone wagon]

I guess like NPCs

The dungeons are gorgeous

[dusky trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783078378872897608/894194018852937748/bp-1200x675.jpg

well like her~

https://twinfinite.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Blue-Protocol.jpg

[lone wagon]

True I guess

[dusky trail]

those type of chars often have unique design that you can't copy too

like look at all those chars and then your is just wearing a lame green outfit while have a really normal hair..

[lone wagon]

Lol true

All the characters to the right

I can already tell they're gonna be so popular

[lament stump]

You can draw

These chibi

A

[dusky trail]

free Xinyan, ok

[lament stump]

This too

[dusky trail]

and i want neither of them

oh well, more gem to save for Yae

[lone wagon]

I have hu tao already evwn though haven't played din ages

[dusky trail]

also, at least ping me in #off-topic-discussion or something

[lone wagon]

I also have venti. Yall jealous? I have venti

[dusky trail]

i'm one of those refuse to use male chars no matter what

[lone wagon]

Oh

Nvm then

[dusky trail]

flirt with them, sure

using them? nah

[lament stump]

NO WAYYT

Me toooo

[lament stump]

I summoned on wep banner when he was up and got skyward blade for jean

Very cool uwu

[lone wagon]

When it comes to MMORPG I always choose being a female. But gacha I just go whatever so idm males

[dusky trail]

female char always have more fun design so i like them more

male char can't exactly wearing short short, pantyhose or thighhigh

[lone wagon]

No it's very limited for males, especially real life

This art style is pretty cool

[dusky trail]

the shoujo style always go for extreme detail

[lone wagon]

The colours aren't so detailed

It's the lineart that's very detailed

This kind of style is starting to become more popular lately

[dusky trail]

seem specially popular in CN mobage lately

[hardy yew]

Yo

[lone wagon]

There's a YouTuber called the Cecile

[lone wagon]

And she does a lot of these styles

[dusky trail]

is that a zombie

[hardy yew]

No lol its the pose for seele inktober two

[dusky trail]

head slightly tilt, one arm kinda dangling around, one leg twisted

totally zombie

[lone wagon]

The head isn't head shape, the boobes are a little strangely shaped too

[dusky trail]

her left feet completely broken there

[hardy yew]

[dusky trail]

look at the ankle

it is more to the left of the feet

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/783078378872897608/894202311663038485/unknown-2.jpg

while your seem to be directly on calf, cause it to look like the leg got twisted

[lone wagon]

Yeah the right foot. It is tilted too much to the right like she broke it

[dusky trail]

there also the toes helping it too

[hardy yew]

Oh i see now

[dusky trail]

try to make a downward curve from the heel to the toes

[hardy yew]

Left foot?

[dusky trail]

yes

i personally like the "one feet forward and one in the back" more

[hardy yew]

Feet are so hard

[dusky trail]

feet is a fun part when you really know how to make use of it unique shape

[hardy yew]

Yeah

I actually wanted to try a different pose

Far left

Should i try it hmm

[lone wagon]

Go for it

I would wanna do the cat war one though cuz seele is cute like a kitten

I have a lot of references for cat poses

[hardy yew]

Alright I'll try both of them

I think i made it worse

[dusky trail]

well if she gonna wear a more casual outfit with long dress

someone to make it more stand out would be better

[hardy yew]

I was thinking at first to intentionally make it a boring ez pose

[lament stump]

Hurt

[lone wagon]

Why? It's true. All it takes to to go to a clothes shop. In a dark dark corner somewhere in thr shop there's the mens section. With like 10 stuff in it

[lament stump]

It's not that extreme

[dusky trail]

just buy 2 set of clothes then wear it for a year

[lament stump]

I do be doing that

OKAY MABYE IT IS TRUE THAT WE ARE BORING

I GET IT

But i can also get like a t-shirt and a cool jacket over it and be cool

[hardy yew]

better to get 2 more or 3

[lone wagon]

I thought those pose was cool

But what happened to her arm?

[dusky trail]

some woman can bend they arm in really odd way

so she may just be one of those with 3 arm joins

[shadow nebula]

she just has hyperextension, a lot of people do

[lone wagon]

I see what's going on

It's the clothes

[hardy yew]

really?

[shadow nebula]

yeah, I've known many who have it including myself

[lone wagon]

The clothes makes it looks strange 8 think

[hardy yew]

@lone wagon @dusky trail what do you tihink?

again i made it too tall ffs

[dusky trail]

the shoulder probably puff out so it cause another weird spot along with the bendy arm

[hardy yew]

pepega

[shadow nebula]

even then she still have hyperextension in her elbow

[dusky trail]

the calf could be longer

[lone wagon]

Yeah

[hardy yew]

and i dont lol

[lone wagon]

The more I look at it the more I think I've figured it out and then in like oh edit still looks strange

After looking at it even more

[shadow nebula]

make the shin the same length as the thigh

[dusky trail]

just extend the calf over the feet then put the feet there after

[hardy yew]

oh guys i didnt add a calf and the shin yet

[lone wagon]

For me, it doesn't really matter if the proportions of the sketch is slightly off because you can fix it with your main lineart

[dusky trail]

yes but the guide line make the calf way too short

[lone wagon]

I don't aim for perfection in the sketch

[hardy yew]

the grey thing youre eeing is the skeelton, but sure ill do that when im gonna work on it, i still have the fist to finish

and rework the a head abuit

[lone wagon]

For me a sketch is so you can understand what's going on, once you got the ideas you can then fix with lineart

[hardy yew]

the guide line is shit over all 😂

[dusky trail]

well ya, for us already know how it work then that is fine but not many here know how body work yet

[shadow nebula]

also shorten the arms since they are too long. The wrist needs to line up with the base of the groin and the elbows with the belly button

[hardy yew]

but its best to havea good guide line because itll be easier to fix the porpotions and stuff

[lone wagon]

Yeah but i think it's best to ask for anatomt advice after youve done the final lineart. I think the sketch atm is good enough for lineart

[hardy yew]

rather then dealing with the undo button and spamming it ?

[lone wagon]

So i don't have any issues to say about amiru sketch.

I think you should do lineart over the top

Then I'll help fix

[dusky trail]

if you still not used to it, nothing wrong with guide line

[lone wagon]

If soemthing looks off

Yeah but it's hard to give advice since if we keep saying that's a bit off and that's a bit off they won't ever get to the lineart

[dusky trail]

also you probably should do sketch of the outfit too

[hardy yew]

yes.

[dusky trail]

if you really want to be careful, you can even do it in separate layer with different color

[hardy yew]

yeah for sure

i think i made the torso too wide

[lone wagon]

Try drawing the clothes, hair and the eyes first.

[dusky trail]

is she slightly bending forward?

[lone wagon]

Shik

[lone wagon]

Shes going from this

[hardy yew]

he*

[lone wagon]

Oh

I assumed wrong again

[hardy yew]

I find it funny you thought im female

[lone wagon]

Its all aki's fault

[dusky trail]

hah this channel, when we think someone is he, they are she, when it is she, they actually he

[lone wagon]

[shadow nebula]

its best to use neutral pronouns for things like this

[sinful imp]

[hardy yew]

Or just use name

[lone wagon]

But you'll never know I'd they are a she or a he like that

It's a lot easier just asking I guess

[shadow nebula]

doesn't matter, helps those who don't identify with a gender. Makes the space more inclusive

[dusky trail]

then forgot about it few days later

[hardy yew]

Yeah and is amiru feminine name?

[lone wagon]

Sounds liek soemthing you'd give to a goddess

As a name

[dusky trail]

a useless goddess that is

[hardy yew]

Im a goddess now- oh no, useless goddess*

😂😭

[dusky trail]

ty to Konosuba, that type pop up everywhere now

[plain bane]

What happened here

[dusky trail]

we just broke people as usual

nothing weird here

[hardy yew]

Lowkey now feel like drawing myself as a useless goddess

[dusky trail]

time to make yourself a new OC

[hardy yew]

First oc*

[plain bane]

I think first shows might find that concept weird anyway

[lone wagon]

Did you call yourself cute and lovely?

[hardy yew]

Should i?

[lone wagon]

More cool poses

[dusky trail]

i rather the kind of pose combine with outfit to show deli skin

[plain bane]

That lighting looks fun too, specially on taht metallic armour

[dusky trail]

the exhaust pipe looks quite hot base on the steam there and her leg sure is close to it

[lone wagon]

It just looks like LEDS

[lone wagon]

Yeha the lighting looks fun to do

[plain bane]

Don't mind me I'm gonna save that and try replicate it traditionally later

[lone wagon]

I like to send real life people as reference so people don't feel tempted to copy the entire thing.

[plain bane]

Thinking about it, it seems like a good test of skill for me

[lone wagon]

Since it takes skills to turn a real life person into anime

[dusky trail]

then i will just show off figurine

[lone wagon]

But if you just use a pose from a characters that's already aniem they feel tempted to trace the whole thing

[hardy yew]

Should i quickly try to sketch this pose or continue the neko one? (Far left)

[lone wagon]

Figures are good ref too

[dusky trail]

nothing wrong with try out various sketch before pick a right one

[hardy yew]

alrite

im gonna try to finish it today atleast

[lone wagon]

Think this is a good pose for a birthday pose

[dusky trail]

i quite enjoy sitting pose figurine lately

[lone wagon]

Me too I enjoy sitting and laying poses

[hardy yew]

A heart shaped bed laying on figurine?

[dusky trail]

laying pose kinda took too much space...

[hardy yew]

Idk im not inti figurine but i might be because of this channel

I saw a seele figurine in here that caught my eye

[dusky trail]

https://resize.cdn.otakumode.com/full/shop/product/89bb646f3c044f809850b8ebd9d73f66.jpg.webp

specially one come with they own set

[lone wagon]

Yeah the set ones are greys

I'm totslly gonna collect them in the future

Guess who I found?

[dusky trail]

even more fun when you look at the cheap knock off of that figurine

the face always oddly melted

[lone wagon]

Lmao xD

[dusky trail]

https://img.joomcdn.net/253e1efa921f19a3f7b981810b8debb1662ee33e_1024_1024.jpeg

[lone wagon]

Oh no

They tried.. At least

[dusky trail]

but that is what you expect from a cheap $30 figure instead of the real $300 one i guess

[hardy yew]

300 yikes

[dusky trail]

https://resize.cdn.otakumode.com/ex/700.466/shop/product/8b11bdc2bb14431ab8c60b79b84432ba.jpg.webp

the new Kongming one look good too

[hardy yew]

Damn

imma start thrid pose after i eat brb

[dusky trail]

still waiting for them to make Bronya's figurine

why did you give Mei and Kiana figure but not Bronya~ =3=

[hardy yew]

Lol

I didnt like bronya at first

When i started the game

[dusky trail]

well she stuck with useless support role at first after all

even in the story, she barely do much

she only truly get to shine after became HoR

long hair, frill skirt, bareshoulder

nom

[hardy yew]

Yeah i dont get it but sicko

[hardy yew]

Hot

[dusky trail]

i don't get why in the animated cutscene, they still use the normal drill hair for her even in HoR form though...

[potent mason]

because it was tied so that less air resistance when biking, it turned to hor drills when she got rid of the bike

[dusky trail]

meanwhile bubble universe Bronya

[potent mason]

she was rly destined to be hor at some point coz even bronie still have the power of reason even though she doesnt have the ccore

[dusky trail]

and i guess destined to have a bike

which is so much fun to use in open-world and abyss

[potent mason]

thats most likely from her powers as well

[dusky trail]

now i want to draw HoV, HoT and HoR swapping clothe

[plain bane]

I just zoomed out.. man that's that's eyesore of a sketch

[potent mason]

whoever wear hor's will complain its tight in the chest

[dusky trail]

blame yourself for using way too many color

[plain bane]

I just like to separate things

[dusky trail]

nah~ i rather not use that cliche "swaping clothe just to complain how loose/tight it is"

[potent mason]

but its reality not cliche

use someone's not your size and youll feel the difference

[dusky trail]

i rather use for that "char now became older try out they old clothe"

[potent mason]

heck even just wearing someone else's bra will give that feeling

[plain bane]

||know that feeling not in a weird way ||

[dusky trail]

the feeling of want to wear old clothe but then sudden realize how old you are now then get depress about it?

[potent mason]

i never had that feeling coz i always turn them to hand me downs

🙂

the suit i wore in my prom? gave it to the younger generation

[plain bane]

I used to get sad when clothes I like didn't fit anymore. Used to it now though

[potent mason]

just puberty making ppl sad

[plain bane]

I have pretty much a completely new wardrobe now

All cus it became too tight

[potent mason]

i wonder if my PCs will eventually turn into hand me downs as well

years from now

[hardy yew]

I like the drill hair ngl

Seeing seele brush it and curl is something else, in that Christmas wallpaper

[dusky trail]

i like the long drill hair more

it is extremely fun to draw all that curve

[hardy yew]

They made it longer!?

[potent mason]

same, even though its not as long as other herrschers its still great

[hardy yew]

Sheesh

I need to play the game sadge

[potent mason]

drills are fun to look at until youre the one drawing them 😬

[hardy yew]

😩

[dusky trail]

her short drill twintails is a pain to draw...

it just too short and stiff unlike the long hair version

[hardy yew]

They look like those cheetos chips

[hardy yew]

They're not that bad

[frank sundial]

🥐

[hardy yew]

But ive seen something in between

[dusky trail]

it doesn't seem too bad until you try to draw it

[potent mason]

yup

[plain bane]

I tried that and I gave up halfway

[jade leaf]

I just draw spirals

[fiery lantern]

it’s 150 am

should I finish kiana or play genshin

KIANA

[lament stump]

Genshin disappointed me

[dusky trail]

play genshin while finish kiana

[lament stump]

Also why are you in the future

It's 5pm here chill

[dusky trail]

i don't think there any kind of future where it is 150 in the morning

https://cdn.donmai.us/sample/63/10/__original_drawn_by_kai_pixiv12466647__sample-6310b2a7bd9e422e73a2bec27618ee08.jpg

[fiery lantern]

omg

school starts tmrw

[dusky trail]

don't you love it when you found a really interesting artist and then found out they stop post new stuff months ago...

[fiery lantern]

the boobs

[fiery lantern]

YEA 😭😭

and if they do post

they completely changed their art style

[dusky trail]

oh well, still better than some just sudden disappear, removed everything in they pixiv, twitter and what not

[fiery lantern]

Yea

I don’t really have many artists

that I

look at

[dusky trail]

so you never really look at us at all, sob sob

[fiery lantern]

https://youtu.be/hzl3eaxAJpo

[fiery lantern]

I MEANT ON SOCIAL MEDIA

I look up to u

see the light on her face?

it’s

wait it sounded better in my head

nvm

I look up to you guys in terms of art

[hardy yew]

Ok me back

My program crashed but i saved it

[dusky trail]

that is what your program want you to think

[hardy yew]

i might use the thrid pose for seeles birthday

or maybe draw bronya and shocked seele instead

[dusky trail]

https://cdn.donmai.us/sample/5e/e4/__shimakaze_azur_lane_drawn_by_kuroboshi_kouhaku__sample-5ee4ecf48a82ad0849e47ec34efb4cc8.jpg

just do multi-pose in the same post

[hardy yew]

Nah

I mean u have a point and it'll help with confidence to draw characters more on one image

[dusky trail]

well it is more like showing various angle of the char at the same itme

you can even use that to create a "in motion" kind of style

[fiery lantern]

HOW DO U SHADE LNUCKLES

[dusky trail]

you can skip it or just put a small triangle there

[dusky trail]

like so

[fiery lantern]

that

that is o

SO helpful

how th hell do u even find all of these refs

[dusky trail]

because i already stored all of those refs

[fiery lantern]

oh

LMAO

[dusky trail]

around 56k of them

[fiery lantern]

what.

u just have them ready

that’s

actually kinda cool

ur a very cool person

[dusky trail]

you never know when your internet sudden took a day off and you have no way to find ref on the internet after all

[fiery lantern]

when the world ends

all u want to do is draw

seems very reasonable

[dusky trail]

or even just look back at your collection and "hmm i want to give that a try"

[fiery lantern]

wow

if I looked at something

and just thought

I’m gonna try this

I would have so many art pieces

[whole cloak]

working on day 3
hanafuda oyabun since the theme is psychic
critique please

[fiery lantern]

oh my Lordy lord I hate hands so much

[dusky trail]

neck too long

try to draw the collarbone and shoulder, you will see the neck is way too long

[whole cloak]

shortened it ty
anything else?

also ik the hair on the back cuts off too far up

[dusky trail]

hmm rather hard to see as a sketch but the left shoulder looks too far out

the bun is fine

[fiery lantern]

I read that as bum

[whole cloak]

oh that’s not the shoulder that’s part of her clothes
tysm

[dusky trail]

it is too far out either way

[fiery lantern]

hair or clothes

clothes

[dusky trail]

the left shoulder =3=

[fiery lantern]

Gingerbread man

[dusky trail]

other than that, nothing else too off

[fiery lantern]

Ny back

my back just cracked

[dusky trail]

you just getting old

[fiery lantern]

IM NOT OLD 🤬🤬

ur old

my neck

cracked

[whole cloak]

oh you’re right ty

I was dumb and was looking at the wrong shoulder

[fiery lantern]

LMAO

why is my shading so

[hardy yew]

After three hours

I finished a pose finally

Now i gotta draw the details

oof

Or finish the poses today and finish them tomorrow

[shadow nebula]

50 min yae sketch

better quality

[dusky trail]

why is she randomly putting on suntan in that place

[shadow nebula]

because it not finished

[hardy yew]

Two hour sketch

[dusky trail]

her right calf is longer than left

[hardy yew]

Really?

I actually shortned the left calf

Because it looked too long

[shadow nebula]

make her standing shin as long as her thigh

[dusky trail]

try rotate it to match the left and see

[lament stump]

making slow but stedy progress

wait do i gotta mke these konf of lines down here?

[hardy yew]

Hope this helpa

I have three more but here is hair ref

[fiery lantern]

thank you so mcy

much

oops

it’s 4:30 am

[lament stump]

yena

you have school tomorrow

go to sleep

[fiery lantern]

well I have school on Tuesday

since it’s already Monday

I have school tmrw

smart yena

I HATE SCHOOL

K bye

[solemn rose]

Bye

[fiery lantern]

I’ll finish kiana tmrw

OMG

[lone wagon]

There really are starting to be more people who are talking here

I'm surpised, with all this bullying I thought people would talk less.

[plain bane]

Should I change any of the proportions?

[lone wagon]

I cant see the picture with the big red blob

[plain bane]

Also colours are uo for debate

[lone wagon]

The fringe

[plain bane]

[lone wagon]

It's a little strange

I don't see any major issues with the proportions. Have u ever tried to flip the image?

Flipping helps you really see where your flaws are

Atm for me the fringe. Is she an oc?

[plain bane]

Mhm

I'll flip now, but may take a few to load

[torn aspen]

Because of the hair it looks like the head is too small/the hair is pressed against her head

[lament stump]

well there is 250k ppl here in the server

[torn aspen]

You could try to add more volume to her hair

[lone wagon]

Not all are interested in art

[lament stump]

yea and that's why like 20 talk here

[lone wagon]

Yeah the fringe for me looks very strange. What kind of fringe did you want to go for?

[torn aspen]

Something like this maybe

Just a suggestion

[lone wagon]

What did you change?

[torn aspen]

Added more volume

[lone wagon]

Also the tie doesn't make sense

[lament stump]

it's just resting on her boob uwu

[whole cloak]

The hair shouldn’t get wider that fast at the bottom of the bangs

[lament stump]

just make her hair wet

then it would make sense

[whole cloak]

no the hair still wouldn’t make sense
Water makes hair less voluminous

[lament stump]

yea and the hair isn't voluminous enough

at least that's what eeveebooo says

and i think that too

[lament stump]

yea that's better

pit is cool

[whole cloak]

am I misinterpreting this
are those 2 horns

[plain bane]

Mhm

[whole cloak]

Are the horns supposed to be uneven (one high one low)

[plain bane]

Not quite

[whole cloak]

Rn it looks like the one closer to us is bigger and higher up on the forehead, especially since her face/head is tilted

forget what I said abt the hair was a mistake

[plain bane]

Better?

[hardy yew]

Like this?

Also idk what i drew this for buttt

Wait no

Shit i dont have it planned

[hardy yew]

Aaa ye this will just be a neko maid veli

[hardy yew]

This ill probably draw a genshin impact character

[hardy yew]

Give mor

[hardy yew]

Mona maybe ?

[lament stump]

WHAT

NO

:(

[plain bane]

[hardy yew]

Yep gonna do mona, happy with this piece i actually went auto pilot mode and just doodled kek

[lament stump]

looks like she's chewing something

[lament stump]

WTF

IS THIS

THO

[hardy yew]

Wut

[lament stump]

got tru bot yay

BUT I HAVE FEEL IN LOVE WITH THIS

like

holy

moly

[hardy yew]

I think i saw this somewhere, or someone put in they're pfps

[lament stump]

her chin is off

to the point where she's chewing

also the waist isn't rotated enough like rib cage

[hardy yew]

Dunno what you're talking about but alright, if u meant the cheek bump

[lament stump]

yea

too sharp

[hardy yew]

Ye

[lament stump]

gj on thoes feet and hands tho

that must have not been easy

[hardy yew]

Ig

On trad is easier

[jaunty python]

the right calf is too long

also for the angle you’re going for, you’d be able to see the left thigh go into the butt ig

[hardy yew]

Made Sorbet shark cookie and Sharpedo! Plan to do Poison mushroom cookie with Amoonguss

[jaunty python]

this is what i mean
i also noticed the right thigh looked a tad wonky

as i stated previously, the right calf is too long

or at least, the left one is too small, either or really

[shadow nebula]

standing shin's length is correct, raised shin needs to be shortened quite a bit to match perspective and anatomy

[lament stump]

I find is interesting that you don't call it calf

[hardy yew]

Here i thought the left calf is to fat

[hardy yew]

Calf is the back muscle, i think shin is the front?

[hardy yew]

Really? I think i even selected it and actually rotated them both to measure them with my eye

[hardy yew]

anything wrong this this

a reference would be helpful

[whole cloak]

It’s asymmetrical

the shoulders too sharp, try drawing a collarbone

Also try symmetry tool (idk how to get it in procreate but ik it exists)

it’s good you’ve got the idea of using a frame

[hardy yew]

i dunno where the collar bone should go

and ill be improving shoulders after to not make my smol brain freak out

[whole cloak]

look at yourself in the mirror, the collarbone is that horizontal one below your neck
if you visualize the neck as a cylinder, you can find it

[hardy yew]

Want a youtube tutorial that will help you a bunch?

[whole cloak]

also try bigger circles for the shoulders, that might help

also
critique pls
or a redline for the shoulders I can’t get the front one right

[hardy yew]

Redline?

[hardy yew]

trying to draw a dude so i dunno if myself would work as a good ref lmao

cant change irl stats to dude

[hardy yew]

Neck is too long, right shoulder looks a bit off to the right much or left shoulder could be a bit to the left more other then that i think the eye could be shown just a tad bit lol

idk dude the neck looks fine to me

Booba

on sel's

Well

If that neck is fine

Then my copy drawing of violet evergarden is valid

[whole cloak]

the number of times I’ve shortened the neck

ty for the advice!

the other eye is purposely not shown bc I’m lazy

[hardy yew]

https://youtu.be/w2fKxNDsXuw https://youtu.be/4KfmA6cEpU0 these two vids are great to show you how to construct and build your proportion of the human anatomy

They helped me ALOT

https://youtu.be/EMLVfp5q_ZY heres a good real time draw along of pose and anatomy practice where this person uses the "box" technique instead of your usual egg and oval circle ish type

Which i use if im doing some perspective drawings

[hardy yew]

better? havent really gotten used to drawing with shapes

[whole cloak]

The face centerline is off

[hardy yew]

Ps: this is an hour 1+ long, there is shorter ones in his channel

[whole cloak]

Try flipping the canvas

flip it left/right and you’ll see the mistakes

[hardy yew]

Itd be like that

im not sure where stuff should be im guessing

[hardy yew]

If i was on pc rn id show u where would be ideal

[hardy yew]

Watch the vids, jazza's are like 3 minute short i think

Anyways im off to bed

Its 4:20 am

What'd y'all think of my art?

[whole cloak]

better?

[full solstice]

(this was on trackpad so i apologize if its not that accurate)

[hardy yew]

just flipped and jesus christ

💀

[full solstice]

yeah that happens

haha

[hardy yew]

Guys what'd y'all think of my art? :(

[full solstice]

its good but just one question

[hardy yew]

Its good, nice art style want crit?

[full solstice]

it wasnt traced

right

[hardy yew]

He did a video of him drawing it

[hardy yew]

Nope! :D referenced but done by my hand

Using ibis paint i believe

[full solstice]

thats good

[hardy yew]

Here's the vid

[full solstice]

sorry for saying that but you would not believe the amoutn of tracers i come across

[full solstice]

dw i trust you

[hardy yew]

CANT DISAGREE WITH YOU

[full solstice]

as for critique i could give the drawing

would you like it or nah

[hardy yew]

Uh sure .3.

[full solstice]

it could definitely use a little more shading

[hardy yew]

i cant get the head to look right

[full solstice]

and the gradient on the cookie's head could use a little bit of work

[hardy yew]

Can i see character ref?

[full solstice]

the background is also a little plain

but beyond that its fine

[hardy yew]

You see the plus sign u did inside the circle

[whole cloak]

hanafuda oyabun

[hardy yew]

Ah ritta

[full solstice]

you could use my redline as a reference

its not perfect

but it'll help

[hardy yew]

Oh I didn't think about shading, wanting it to look simple.

The shading is what his shading looks like in game

[whole cloak]

try colored lineart? It could help

[fiery lantern]

yea

[full solstice]

if you wanted to go for that style, i would make the lineart colored and thicker

[whole cloak]

also I forgot to flip the canvas back ignore that

[full solstice]

and still the gradient is a bit off

[hardy yew]

Yeah shorter neck

[full solstice]

its too sharp in your drawing

and it goes down too far

[hardy yew]

It was in my own style tbh, but thank u!

Sel try using heads as measurement

[full solstice]

oh no i was talking about the gradient being too sharp

[hardy yew]

Ah oki

[full solstice]

not the thing on his head

[whole cloak]

Could you redline how short the neck should be

[hardy yew]

I'll try I'm on mobile

Gotcha

[whole cloak]

I’m also on mobile

[hardy yew]

Stylus?

Or drawing tablet

[whole cloak]

fingers lol

[hardy yew]

Jesus

how

better?

[full solstice]

its not that hard

[whole cloak]

I have an iPad but I’m not used to it yet
sometimes I sketch there but for stuff like inktober/honkaitober I still do on my phone mostly

[full solstice]

ye

just make the circle more... circle like

[whole cloak]

A corner of the head is wonky but yes better

[hardy yew]

which direction is wonky?

[full solstice]

this

[hardy yew]

wait

wrong pic

lok

ok how about this

[whole cloak]

better

[hardy yew]

ayy

[whole cloak]

Flip canvas again

[hardy yew]

Shit

looks a bit wonk

[whole cloak]

the jawline isn’t straight

one jaw is higher and rounder than the other

[full solstice]

yeah

line it up using another guideline

[hardy yew]

am i allowed to copy paste the other side

[full solstice]

yep

[hardy yew]

[full solstice]

absolutely

i do it if i cant get it right

[whole cloak]

I do it for the other eye sometimes

[hardy yew]

my icloud aint updating fast enough for me to show the pic reee

[full solstice]

the idea that "oh i have to be original for everything" doesnt work

[full solstice]

you should always take advantage of the tools that are given to you

[hardy yew]

?

[whole cloak]

still the jaw is high

[full solstice]

yeah

draw a line

and youll see

[whole cloak]

Also try making the face a bit longer

[hardy yew]

i cant tell

[full solstice]

its off

and yeah i'd make the face longer

[hardy yew]

i copy pasted but it still looks wrong

[smoky osprey]

ooh another procreate user

🤝

[whole cloak]

the line that lines up the jaw should be perpendicular to the centerline
I estimated but close enough

[hardy yew]

Try where the blue line is at, and the other lines are guidelines for the proportions, red lines indicate the size from top to bottom of each part of the body, pink line lets say is the correct size, which should be 1:1 and the cyan line shows its bit too tall (same size height, or use head count as 1:1, female has i think 6 or 8 head counts and male has 10, imma find the ref a bit later)

I hope it you get it, gomen for bad explaining and showing kek

my brain cant handle this

Ah shet i forgor to show fixed shoulders, smh at myself, if i was on pc rn ive would've shown the redlines properly

[smoky osprey]

take it slow

improvement takes time

[full solstice]

yep

feeling frustrated at first bc you cant get it right is completely normal

the only thing you can do is keep trying and trust me, it'll eventually work out

no one is a god at art when they start out

[whole cloak]

ah I see
I usually go abt 7.5 head counts btw

I tend towards longer necks generally but definitely I see it now ty

[hardy yew]

i cant tell which part is the jawline since in my head i just call it "that curvy line" etc for stuff

[full solstice]

think about it

what is the jawline on your face

google also helps

[hardy yew]

i dunno what that is

[full solstice]

[smoky osprey]

you know what your jaw is right

[full solstice]

thats the jawline

[whole cloak]

open your mouth
touch your lower jaw on the corner closest to your ear
Then close your jaw and trace your finger to your chin
that’s jawline

[smoky osprey]

it's just that

[hardy yew]

I think this should help but its a bit cursed

[full solstice]

this is

[whole cloak]

[full solstice]

very cursed

[smoky osprey]

that's

not just a bit cursed

[hardy yew]

💀

[whole cloak]

I’ve never seen a more cursed reference about head measuring

[hardy yew]

I personally dont use head count I just use my fingers to measure it, and if it's close enough to same 1:1:1:1 ratio then we balling

[smoky osprey]

👀

i just eyeball it

if it looks decent it's probably good enough

[whole cloak]

I eyeball most of the time

[smoky osprey]

[hardy yew]

is it bad that i trace and then copy the trace next to it

1: head
1: torso
1: hip or pelvis
1: thighs
1: calfs

for anatomy anyway

[smoky osprey]

mmm

i guess tracing helps for some people

[hardy yew]

it still ended up looking off so maybe its just bad anime anatomy lmao

[hardy yew]

Want to know best way to practice anatomy?

[whole cloak]

That’s fine imo

[smoky osprey]

personally i dont trace bc i dont think i can build the skill of drawing something that way

[whole cloak]

as long as you don’t trace the whole thing

Tracing is very helpful to break things down into basic shapes

[hardy yew]

Literally spam draw basic shapes and draw from irl models

This is golden advice u can get if you ask me

[whole cloak]

I use it a lot on photo references but I don’t generally show anyone those sketches
After tracing I draw it side by side

I don’t like basic shapes tbh I draw a simple base skeleton-like frame then layer on muscles
helps me remember where muscles are and how they work

basic shapes do work for lots of ppl so try that if you haven’t, amiru is right

[hardy yew]

i still cant tell which thing to fix

[smoky osprey]

why am i having so much trouble with hov hair

[whole cloak]

if you can’t tell
flip canvas

[hardy yew]

HOYLS HTI

[whole cloak]

visualize HoV hair as blocks and layers
works for most hairstyles

[hardy yew]

for some reason it looks bad every time i fix it then flip it again

[whole cloak]

yep
it’s painful but it’s worth it since repeating that helps catch a ton of mistakes

[smoky osprey]

you think it looks good until you flip the canvas

[whole cloak]

then
did I even draw this

[smoky osprey]

[hardy yew]

[whole cloak]

chances are
if you flip and it looks fine
take a break for at least an hour then come back and flip

[hardy yew]

Man, I'd actually suggest watching those vids if you havent

Found les cursed and simpler

[hardy yew]

i feel like i dont learn well from vids

info goes from ear to out

[hardy yew]

I see you're the eye learner?

Going from 1 to step 3 in no time

Then be right back

i used this as a ref and im looking at it now and it looks off

maybe my refs are bad

[whole cloak]

yeah it is sorta off

also she has a short face in that pic so I see why you drew it that way

[hardy yew]

ya im kinda not sure what refs are correct to use reee

[smoky osprey]

oh are you drawing sakura

[hardy yew]

nah just using her as ref

Candz you like tracing? Would u mind downloading simple poses or a simple portrait irl or anime

I want u to try this

that is terrifying

💀

Lol

Without the skeleton your art will be wonk

However Doesnt have to be a skeleton

You could use basic fun shapes or just lines really

[whole cloak]

taco1704 guides help a lot with that

[hardy yew]

Or try tracing over like the person doing here, you could try any shape or form that comes to mind and easy to draw with your hand freely

These are pose or the human anatomy anyways, dont think that would fit for your portrait art?

[whole cloak]

I find these shapes easiest but basically try stuff out

[hardy yew]

Yeh

Its good to try things

There are lots

That work and dont for you

i rotated the head a bit and it looks better

i dunno if you can tell the dif tho

[whole cloak]

for the face this guide

[hardy yew]

Im making a youtube art playlist with lots of genres and tutorials

[whole cloak]

yes it looks better but the horizontal line up top is in the wrong place

[hardy yew]

i cant tell where to put it ;-;

Candz are u free in a few hours lul

probably nit

[smoky osprey]

i wish i could draw rn lol

[hardy yew]

^^^^^

[smoky osprey]

my fingers are still burning from me cutting peppers earlier

[whole cloak]

line placement

Depends how old you want the character to look

[hardy yew]

My artpire erges wont take long taking over me soon

I just want to stream art here

is it better? idk where to put it

[smoky osprey]

which part are you trying to make better

[hardy yew]

fix the top line

i dunno where its supposed to go

[smoky osprey]

that should be the one right above the eyes right

a bit lower would work

[hardy yew]

Candz its 5 am for me

https://youtu.be/ClOZkFF1UEo

And I'll go to bed

goodnight amiru!

[smoky osprey]

oh

i need to do today's inktober

[grave nymph]

I wonder if anyone here has good references for half open eyes

[potent mason]

Google it

[hardy yew]

idk why but the chin in the thumbnail looks way too sharp

[smoky osprey]

sharp enough to stab

[hardy yew]

[smoky osprey]

Day 3 is vessel

[grave nymph]

is there a specific tag on pixiv for drawings that focus on the eyes?

naruhodo

[jaunty python]

the best way to learn anatomy is by actually learning anatomy, don’t use anime references, as those will often have exaggerated proportions and will be stylized
most artists, especially popular and skilled artists, have learned the fundamentals before breaking them

i also recommend trying to do proper studies of anatomy rather than just copying a pose without putting any thought into it

analyze the structure of the body, the muscles, the basic shape, simplify it and then take what you learned and apply it to your art

do not copy and paste the outline, try and apply what you studied and recreate it in your own work

[potent mason]

ye you can always look them up in google

[jaunty python]

mhm

a simple google search can do a whole lot

[grave nymph]

wait is this directed to me? o-o;;

[potent mason]

search them up in google or yt, theres tons of anatomy tutorials there, abuse the internet

[jaunty python]

nah, was directed to someone else, but good advice nonetheless

[potent mason]

ye it can apply to every newbies

[grave nymph]

definitely

[jaunty python]

not just that, it’s also important to learn the general structure. don’t just use tutorials, it’s important to do studies and practice on your own time as well

[potent mason]

That goes without saying, you don't just search this up without the intent to put what you learn in practice -.-

[jaunty python]

i know, but i’ve met a lot of newbies who think that they don’t need to do studies or practice posing and stuff, they just jump in head first after looking at two videos

[grave nymph]

kek

[potent mason]

Hahaha

[dusky trail]

or some just skip the tutorial and just jump right in drawing a scene from something

[potent mason]

Worst I've seen are newbies opening commissions after like less than a month of practicing art

And then ask why aren't they getting customers unlike any other ppl around them

[dusky trail]

ya some can be a bit too overconfident if his watchers keep praising him

[grave nymph]

yup

Should rack in experience and followers first

before plunging yourself on comms hell

[dusky trail]

well that is still better than those literally just flip another artist draw, erase they signature and call it them...

[grave nymph]

Curse those tracers

[dusky trail]

nah not even trace

i meet one in DA and beside remove the signature

he just keep the same resolution and just flip it around

and he even has the ball to argue "how would you know if i'm not the one made it"

because i don't know, you used various artists work so the art style are all over the place?

[grave nymph]

I wanna punch them

[dusky trail]

but well ignore the art steal aside, a lot of newbie just have no one to guide or even just to talk about art with so they often do they own thing

[potent mason]

Goes back to what I said before, google and yt exist. Use the internet to gain as much knowledge you need.

Need to study anatomy? Google it up
Want to know how to color n shade? Youtube it

[hardy yew]

Any improvement you guys could tell me

Ping me when answer

[trim apex]

finally, i drew dudu after a yr

Should i apply colors?

[hardy yew]

WAAhh pretty
A d yes absolutely

[trim apex]

thanks anyway guess i should after all

[potent mason]

Hand doesn't look like it's holding the mask, with that position it's either just resting there or the hands are glued to the mask which I don't get coz I imagine you used 6s hand for reference and yet it came very different

[trim apex]

@potent mason should i apply colors?

[potent mason]

If you know how to, sure but if you don't you'll just end up ruining a good lineart 👍

[trim apex]

i see

[dusky trail]

she could also washed her hair too with how messy that hair is

[dusky trail]

but the main thing is you need to improve the lineart, like how the shoulder has a sharp edge or how the finger seem to be all swollen there.

oh and her forehead has no color

[potent mason]

This was done with slow strokes

:_(

[grave nymph]

how does one draw better eyes/eyelashes

don't know what type I should use

[smoky osprey]

inktober day 3

[hardy yew]

I think those are nice!

[hardy yew]

looking good

[grave nymph]

the eyes look off though

that's why I'm waiting for the regulars so that they could roast me w

[hardy yew]

detailing detailing, tell me if you catch any mistakes

[grave nymph]

seele's hair (if that's her) looks very off

[hardy yew]

I see

it doesn’t look like her too much

[grave nymph]

hair supposed to be at least shoulder length

[hardy yew]

should I make her more recognizable?

[grave nymph]

ofc

if you're making fanart

you HAVE to make the drawing look like the character you're drawing

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/3/mobile/folders/1p99VwnX-4qiHoQAGzbT2kU_gLBJPSVVF?usp=sharing&sort=13&direction=a

there's some references of Seele's ingame model there

[hardy yew]

yes yes

I stared at the drawing for so long I just forgot

[potent mason]

[smoky osprey]

i like your colors

[potent mason]

Avoid making the eyelash too thick

[hardy yew]

thank you!

[hardy yew]

you’re very good at detailing the eyelash

[potent mason]

Yup

[sinful imp]

[smoky osprey]

[potent mason]

https://sketch.pixiv.net/@silver4x_kp/lives/6576713996152752307
im live coloring stuff '-')/

[dusky trail]

time to go and harrass him

[plain bane]

[smoky osprey]

[hardy yew]

her hair is fixed at least a bit now

I think I gotta make her eyes less blurry, the res went down after me moving them so much

locals feel free to roast

[lament stump]

Some Thomas guy in his chat has a foot fetish

I think that's enough of harassment

[shadow nebula]

the face looks like its being pushed to her right by her right eye and her mouth isn't centered. Try to give her right eye a more 3 dimensional look

[hardy yew]

thank you, I’m gonna use that advice

[shadow nebula]

of course, I'd also round the top of her head a little more upwards as her skull looks quite flat