art-discussion-and-wip

[onyx pumice]

i (quite obviously) have severe problems getting proportions right, even using reference or my own god damn body i still can't get them right

[plain bane]

Everyone starts somewhere don't worry about it

[lament stump]

yea and that's why we told you what's wrong, now you just make them bigger

[onyx pumice]

ok, so,

• make the arms (and hands) thicker
• shorter neck (?)
• fix the size of the feet
• i don't know what you mean by "legs are off-center"
• i don't know how to make the pose less stiff

[lament stump]

just a second

[dusky trail]

add bigger arms, less wide torso

[lament stump]

oh no

[dusky trail]

left pant is bigger than right pant

[lament stump]

look who came

[dusky trail]

the hands are even smaller than Aki's

[plain bane]

[lament stump]

are you proud?

I make something bigger then others

[dusky trail]

no rib, barely a hip

[onyx pumice]

im trying to kinda replicate this pose, but have the hands lower (leaning on a cane rather than a big sword)

[lament stump]

um

[onyx pumice]

also from the front rather than the side-ish

[dusky trail]

anyway, the main problem is you seem to have no frame at all and just draw by eyes like a certain someone

that is why your char look really off

[lament stump]

danieele is my pose stiff with this hair

[lusty hazel]

wow yan from library of ruina
ill try to improve the pose, if i dont come back in 10 mins then i cant do it

[dusky trail]

what in the name of seaweed hair is that

[plain bane]

Here's a front facing ref

[lament stump]

this is how you centere the legs

[onyx pumice]

thanks for the ref, that's pretty much spot on the pose im trying to make

[lament stump]

with that line

mine ain't exactly in the middle tho

about pose being stiff, yea you can't do much about that

[plain bane]

Yeah I looked at it and knew I had something, thankyou Oscar

[lament stump]

use this fot the neck and the shoulders and the ribcage

that's about it

[lament stump]

it's goodddddddddd

[dusky trail]

well then just prepare to shade all that

[onyx pumice]

also, yes i more or less just look at references and try to draw by eye
and those hands are smaller than my IQ

[lament stump]

um well

[lament stump]

you'll help me with that

[plain bane]

This is sorta what you want

[lusty hazel]

does this help? i dont know either.

[lament stump]

i have no ide what is what on that hair

[dusky trail]

thigh and calf ration rather off

[lament stump]

lol

[dusky trail]

his massive thighs gonna weight down to his calf

[plain bane]

I was just getting pose down

[onyx pumice]

i want to have the legs a bit spread apart rather than together but ill try following this

[plain bane]

I rarely draw below the waist anyway

[lusty hazel]

think youll be more comfy having your legs apart rather than sticking them together lol

[dusky trail]

that's lewd

[lament stump]

says you

[plain bane]

Well that's one way to redirect the conversation I guess

[onyx pumice]

welp. time to try and fail to fix this stuff
i'll be back in like, idk, an hour or more maybe

[lusty hazel]

i dont know how to word it any other way bruh

[lusty hazel]

goodluck

[plain bane]

I'll get back to eye shading I guess

I was asked to make an eye shading "help sheet"

They asked tye wrong person

But oh well

[lament stump]

shading eyes is my fav

[dusky trail]

you could always go for "wider his legs to make it easier to balance while standing in that pose" like a normal human

[lament stump]

I think it's a male

Oh what

Hiw did i read her

Ok

[dusky trail]

spending time in this server too long make Aki no longer able to tell what is man and woman anymore

even Shii would look like a trap to his eyes

[plain bane]

[hardy yew]

Anyone has veli refs

Imma just draw veli for october

[lusty hazel]

oh wow, a g game character sketch! i hope i wont get distracted by doing some other stupid doodles for pratically no reason

[lusty hazel]

which veli?

starchasm nyx?

stygian nymph veliona?

[hardy yew]

The red version of Seele

[lusty hazel]

i know who she is

[hardy yew]

Dunno her actual name so

[dusky trail]

we know who is Veli, we are asking which Veli

[hardy yew]

There are veli types

[lusty hazel]

ye, long hair and short hair lol

[hardy yew]

Can i see all

[prime kelp]

@hardy yew

[hardy yew]

Hl3 has an art book?

[prime kelp]

yeah

[dusky trail]

they already have 2

[hardy yew]

Yooo

Where can i see or buy

[dusky trail]

not that they bother to put many char sheet in

the book is 80% stigmata

[hardy yew]

F

[dusky trail]

also, check amazon or any kind of online shipping site i guess?

well the book also only covered a few anyway

all the new one just screencap from the interview PV

[hardy yew]

Interesting

[dusky trail]

but then they sometime show all and sometime don't

like this one with Mobius

just blur on both side while not show much of her back...

https://www.amazon.com/HOUKAI-Visual-Book-崩壊3rd-ビジュアルファンブック/dp/4047333409

well you can at least see stigmata in HD i guess

[lusty hazel]

will it embed

[hardy yew]

Those are great thank you guys ive gotten the refs now?

Should i share

Or it'll will flood chat 🗿

[lament stump]

do as you please

[lone wagon]

Yeah as long as its art nobody cares.

[dusky trail]

as long it is art wink wink

[lusty hazel]

and thats it

[dusky trail]

still waiting for the day Seele get a bubble universe where they both separated and became like a twins or something

[lusty hazel]

that would be nice

[dusky trail]

though they didn't use her Veniola name anyway

instead just let her calling herself Seele

[lethal junco]

hiii just wanted to ask

what kind of casual clothes would veliona wear

[dusky trail]

light shirt + short

[lethal junco]

light as in like white

[dusky trail]

light as in showing shoulder light

[lethal junco]

huh

[hardy yew]

F

[lethal junco]

i feel like thats something seele would wear instead

[hardy yew]

I found this kek

[dusky trail]

that is a swimsuit though~

[lethal junco]

AHAHA

[dusky trail]

you want her to walk around the city with that? how lewd of you

[lethal junco]

maybe more modern casual kinna

[dusky trail]

well there is this outfit from they stigmata

[lethal junco]

hehe

[lethal junco]

HHH WAIT THIS IS PRETTY

[hardy yew]

Any crystal idea for veli im kinda juiced out of ideas for a pose

Theme is crystal^*

[dusky trail]

her wrist is too small, make her hand look rather rubbery

[hardy yew]

Pog tho hands are pretty small

[lethal junco]

tru i cannot w hands

[dusky trail]

just increase it thickness

and what kind of pose you looking for

[lethal junco]

i have the pose alr

[dusky trail]

not you~~ =3=

[lethal junco]

o h

crystal themed veli pose

hm

[dusky trail]

what even crystal theme mean

is it "hehe all your gem is mine, captain" or "why am i have to farm gem for you, do it yourself" crystal theme

or even "lewd herself to get gem for the captain" theme

[lethal junco]

...or elysia kind of crystal

?

[dusky trail]

well ya even if you show that, the "crystal" still barely tell you much

[hardy yew]

Hmm

Make veli floating and the two gaint arms are holding a floating crystal or some

[shadow nebula]

you could have her wearing a dress covered in small crystals with a crystal crown

[fiery lantern]

I’m so done with that fucking kiana drawing

[dusky trail]

that is one hairy Kiana

[hardy yew]

Hmm

[fiery lantern]

old art.

[fiery lantern]

yes that’s kiana

[dusky trail]

is she sleep with her eyes open?

[fiery lantern]

yes

doesn’t everyone?

WHAT DOES THE SLEEPING MASK EVEN SAY

[dusky trail]

no, i usually closed my eyes so i can dream about electric sheep

[fiery lantern]

MAXXA

[fiery lantern]

I don’t remember my dreams

they are black

except for the one time I dreamt about meeting KAZUHA and then

[dusky trail]

he got slice in half by Baal, the end

[hardy yew]

Imma just draw veli normally

[fiery lantern]

OLD ART

[fiery lantern]

oh.

[fiery lantern]

I’m gonna redraw this

[lament stump]

I just got c2 keqing :(

[dusky trail]

that look like she gonna throw her suitcase away, not dragging it behind her

[fiery lantern]

LOL

[fiery lantern]

HAHAHHAHAA

I didn’t get Ana family back then

I still don’t

ANATOMY

[lament stump]

instead of my kokomi :(

[fiery lantern]

oh

I mean

gaureenteed?

[lament stump]

no i had 5050

lost it

[fiery lantern]

I mean u have it now

I want hu tao

[lament stump]

and 0 pity and 0 primo

[fiery lantern]

but I’m on 50:50

oh

I got Mona

and then

I got KAZUHA on 8 pity

and then I got ayaka

so now I’m on 50/50

[lament stump]

ew pulling for males

imagine

[fiery lantern]

ikr

anyway

[lament stump]

i got c1 yomiya uwu

imagine building males

[fiery lantern]

my ayaka does ok dmg

[lament stump]

your ar?

[fiery lantern]

I’m going to do one million with hu Tao

55

[lament stump]

sure buddy

ho tao ain't tthat broken

[fiery lantern]

watch me 😜😜😜

[lusty hazel]

she has a nice design, and it would be even nicer if i knew how to draw it

[fiery lantern]

DANG 😻😻

[lament stump]

only with sucrouse mona with lvl 10 Q benny and hu tao with staff of homa 300cd and lvl 10 Q

[fiery lantern]

WHATS THAT ONE SONG

WITH DANG

U DID THAT

[fiery lantern]

WHAT

I’m so weak for my Ar tbh 😞😞

[lusty hazel]

what has this channel become

genshin discussion and wip

[lament stump]

stars in abyss?

[lusty hazel]

[lament stump]

just goin a lil bit off topic

[lone wagon]

Dream room for my digital art

I reallt like cute things

So when I look at this I envy all the cute decorations

[lament stump]

where drawing tablet thoo

[fiery lantern]

mORE OLD ART 💀💀🤮

[fiery lantern]

I would get a head ache if I looked up

my dream drawing space

is

[lusty hazel]

that plush i have one that holds a cookie

[lone wagon]

But for set up I want 2 monitor and a pc or tablet at the side for reference

Like this

[fiery lantern]

here my dream drawing space

[lusty hazel]

gaming bed

[fiery lantern]

yea

[lusty hazel]

[lone wagon]

Lol xD

[lament stump]

that u?

[fiery lantern]

I don’t need the double monitor shut

[lone wagon]

Shelves of figures and cute plushie

[fiery lantern]

I play on my phone

all my figures are blue

[dusky trail]

not enough bunny girls's figurines

[fiery lantern]

I will never get a bunny girl figure

unless it’s on sale

[lament stump]

i wanna get momo figurine

[lament stump]

gotta earn internet money for that tho

[lone wagon]

I just want a whole office for my art

And i want it as cute as possible

[lament stump]

like silver

idk if his is cute tho

probably tbh

[fiery lantern]

I want mine to be not one colour

I want mine

to be

[lone wagon]

When i move in with my bf gonna start building thigns up

[fiery lantern]

like modern

And dray

gray

[fiery lantern]

when r u

moving in

[lone wagon]

He studies informatics so waiting until he finish so I can finally get serious with my art

[fiery lantern]

with ur bf

[lament stump]

when it's done, send a flexing pic

[lone wagon]

Oh i will

[fiery lantern]

imagine having a bf

[lusty hazel]

saying that you have a bf itself is already flex

[lament stump]

i studie that too

[fiery lantern]

ikr

[lament stump]

altho i hate it

[fiery lantern]

I don’t study

😜😜

[lament stump]

same lol

[fiery lantern]

I’m kidding

[lament stump]

I'm not

i just get passing grades

can't be botherd

[lone wagon]

Lmao

Idk when moving in yet. But Its a little complicated cuz I'll have to move countries.

So it'll be a few years yet

[fiery lantern]

WHAT

good luck 🤞🤞

[lament stump]

what countrie

[lone wagon]

Italy

[lament stump]

damn

to the boot countrie

[fiery lantern]

u guys like my amazing edit 🤪🤪

it’s trash

[lament stump]

trash

[fiery lantern]

did anyone else have a cringe gacha phase 🙁

[lament stump]

i hade many cringe phases

still probably do

[fiery lantern]

nightcore

😭😭

[lusty hazel]

i always found nightcore cringe

that shouldnt be offensive right.

attempt 1 of making an oc, no name yet.
unless i take something from a game and call her yen xing

[fiery lantern]

😻😻😻

[lone wagon]

Wdym by cringe gacha?

[lone wagon]

Csnt see her well yet

Is she in a Chinese dress?

[lusty hazel]

i dont know the answer too

[lone wagon]

[lusty hazel]

supposed to be a girl that really likes music related shit

[dusky trail]

then i guess she should wear a g-string

[lone wagon]

What kind of music?

Classical, metal, tribal?

It's important to do research when you make an oc.

If she lieks music what kind of music?

Because people who liek classical music dress very different to thsoe that like metal

[lusty hazel]

classical

thats not the actual clothes that she often wears

[lone wagon]

Those clothes looks like soemthing very much like Chinese clothes that women wear

Like these

[lusty hazel]

correct

[lusty hazel]

kinda like that one outfit you onlywear for special stuff

[lone wagon]

Atm the world's top 5 cities for classical music is

Paris, New York, London, Tokyo and Berlin

Idk where China is

But these 5 olare the msot that appreciate classical music atm

However if you want your design to be based on olden days then

[lone wagon]

Only the rich could afford to enjoy classical music

[dusky trail]

need to show more thigh

[lone wagon]

And these guys often dressed liek these

[lusty hazel]

i wanna give her a fancy top hat and cape for fun but im not sure how ill execute that idea ooga booga just draw

[lone wagon]

Since classical music mainly thrived in the west

So to me Chinese outfit doesn't fit the classical music theme. It suits more of a traditional music native to China. Like the erhu or the guqin

[dusky trail]

you can always combine the two like Eden

[fiery lantern]

wow

[lone wagon]

I guess. I was just stating that it's important to research when you wanan create a character design.

Since nobody else but you would get what you're trying to do.

https://youtu.be/euTe191sAWg

[lusty hazel]

understood, thanks

[hardy yew]

Ink tober 1 done

[lone wagon]

Not only that but you need to think of their personality and their past

How will their past affect their appearance?

How will their personality affect their image?

[lusty hazel]

and within the span of hanami spamming the channel with information, i decided to be lazy and make her a girl that just wants to make classical music more relevant subject to change im not being serious

[lone wagon]

Maybe i should calm down. Imm too passionate

[dusky trail]

and how will their design reflect your fetish

[lone wagon]

Lmao

[lusty hazel]

short hair fetish check
black hair fetish check
and thats all

[lone wagon]

The advice I'm giving is for those wjo wants to persue character design with a games company

Or a book

My teachers grinder those facts in my head, what makes a trash character and what makes a good character

[dusky trail]

meanwhile char design of a game company

[lusty hazel]

maybe i can give her a skirt that has piano notes or something lol

[lone wagon]

Shes a puppet. It makes sense. She reminds me of a voodoo doll

[dusky trail]

i think a hair clip that shape like piano would be easier

and then maybe detachable sleeve with string line pattern

[lusty hazel]

after all these years in my life, i never knew the placement of hair clips

[dusky trail]

then a pelvic curtain to show her thigh, i mean her love for music

[lusty hazel]

its okay shikni everyone knows you have a thigh fetish

[lone wagon]

It depends

This dress has piano at the bottom

[dusky trail]

ya that design actually quite common, so piano pattern for dress rather so-so

[lone wagon]

Yeah

Itd true

Common indeed

[onyx pumice]

i am BACK
how's this?

[dusky trail]

arm still rather small compare to the rest of the body

[lone wagon]

This artist decided

Her clothes are paper

[onyx pumice]

fu--

back to the drawing board. literally

[potent mason]

when i see thhese old era clothes i rly question just how hot is that when wearing and AC didnt exist then so even the rich only resort to fans

[lone wagon]

Ahhh those are your onyl questions?

Some dress take hours to put on

My questions are

How the hell do they go to the toilet

[potent mason]

ye those clothes are worn with several layers like jesus christ

[lone wagon]

For women

[shadow nebula]

people back then were very smart with their clothing and layers so its not anywhere near as bad as you think

[lone wagon]

Hwo do the coke with periods?

[dusky trail]

you also need a room for the shoulders as it is too close to the armpit

[lone wagon]

When i searched those up I found out that they just pee in their clothes

And period all over it

[onyx pumice]

?

[potent mason]

even wearing just a shirt and a jacket hoodie already burns you up, imagine wearing those clothes for an entire day

[shadow nebula]

idk who said that but that isn't correct

[dusky trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/783078378872897608/893843028832301056/unknown.png

the shoulder shouldn't be right on top of the armpit

[shadow nebula]

they didn't urinate on their clothes or let their periods flow down freely

[lone wagon]

Ik they wear heavy clothes

[lone wagon]

And a lot just do it in a bucket

But come on when you're in the middle of a part with a thick ass dress

That takes hours to put on

What u gonna do?

[potent mason]

they must be sweating bullets with those clothes on lol

[shadow nebula]

they didn't have underwear back then so they could just lift their dresses up

[dusky trail]

ask some servant to bring you a pot so you can pee standing

[shadow nebula]

nah, they didn't unless it was insanely hot

[lone wagon]

Those dam dresses are heavy

Especially the party dresses

[shadow nebula]

europe doesn't get as hot as other places back then so they were fine

[lone wagon]

Since so many layers

[potent mason]

guess being rich in the old era also have its downside

[dusky trail]

and most of all, the corset

[shadow nebula]

the corset myth is fake don't believe it

[potent mason]

nowadays you just need to wear a suit n a bowtie and youre done

[onyx pumice]

im not exactly sure how im supposed to correct this..

[lone wagon]

And also the frame that holds those dresses up are made of metal

Very heavy metal

[shadow nebula]

idk where you guys are getting this info about dresses in old days but they aren't true

[grave nymph]

uhh what now

[shadow nebula]

there was no metal frames for dresses

[grave nymph]

also, gonna be replying on past messages so uhh, look out

[onyx pumice]

i see, thank you

[dusky trail]

thinner the torso and wider the shoulder out

and now my tablet is acting weird

gonna go reset my PC

[grave nymph]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1p99VwnX-4qiHoQAGzbT2kU_gLBJPSVVF?usp=sharing

I'm actually starting a gdrive of HI3 model screenshots

have some references there

[lusty hazel]

scarily similar to what im drawing

[grave nymph]

mostly Seele since I'm still finishing stuff

[lusty hazel]

yeah im changing this.

[lone wagon]

They were mainly wooden

But they were huge

Would you want to lift them up yourself?

[lusty hazel]

can you fit in a door with that huge of a skirt

[shadow nebula]

they aren't as heavy as you think

they were made so that woman would stop using many layers for the fashion trend at the time

[lone wagon]

So you saying you can lift this dress up by yourself?

[potent mason]

jesus that dress

you can perform cunnilingus under and noone would even notice

[grave nymph]

uhh waht now??

[shadow nebula]

if you want to learn about how clothes were actually worn and made back then I highly recommend bernadette banner, she was a broadway costume designer and specializes in historic clothing

[potent mason]

google it Shii

[grave nymph]

I regret it

I need eye bleach

[lone wagon]

Ik that these ridiculous big clothes were only short lived, for good reasons and that they were only on occasions

But that's what 8 mean

How did they go to the toilet?

[onyx pumice]

like this?

[potent mason]

maybe they go to the toilet before wearing it

[lone wagon]

The shoulders are veey low down

[shadow nebula]

big clothing wasn't short lived it was around for many centuries and various types of it

[lusty hazel]

im not shii but i decided to google it anyway. for some reason that was blocked by my safe search

[grave nymph]

because you shouldn't

[lusty hazel]

ok i will search it up on yt instead of google then

[dusky trail]

well that is better at least but ya, move the shoulder up a bit too

[lone wagon]

Humans haven't lived for that long.

8 don't call anything long lived if it's only like 100 years

That's nothing

[bleak owl]

A perfect dress for social distance

[shadow nebula]

humans have lived for 50 000 years if i recall correctly

large clothing has been around probably for 700 years

[lone wagon]

That's like dust amount of time

[onyx pumice]

this better?

[shadow nebula]

i was saying it because you said humans haven't lived that long to my statement of centuries

[lone wagon]

People still wear big dresses now but what I mean are

These ridiculous things

[shadow nebula]

those are exaggerated

most comic like drawing from the victorian era exaggerate women's clothing by a lot

[grave nymph]

I’d rather use those fabric on making fluffy blankets than waste it on dresses you’ll only wear probably once in your lifetime lul

[shadow nebula]

they wore their dresses their whole lives and salvaged fabric for other dresses

[grave nymph]

oh wow

[shadow nebula]

it was incredibly expensive to buy fabric back then

[grave nymph]

mhm

[dusky trail]

don't curve the shoulder inward that way, just keep it square like

[grave nymph]

more so if it’s high quality

[dusky trail]

then slightly curve it on the edge

[shadow nebula]

yeah, even the rich didn't have as much clothing as people think

sure they had a lot of undergarments but outer clothing very little

[onyx pumice]

what curve?

[lone wagon]

I like this

It looks like plastic surgery gone wrong

So it's funny

[potent mason]

lol

[grave nymph]

[shadow nebula]

still much nicer than anything we have today unless you can afford haute couture in my opinion

[grave nymph]

I love this description of yours

[dusky trail]

this curve

[onyx pumice]

ah

[dusky trail]

try to actually make the arm look straight up and connect to the shoulder

instead of make it like he just got smashed on both sides and now his shoulder are broken

[onyx pumice]

im just kinda following this as a reference for the pose

[dusky trail]

ya even that you can still see he has less curve inward

[onyx pumice]

ok fair

[lone wagon]

Poor dude. He been sitting down too much. Has sloppy shoulders

[dusky trail]

at that poses and no pit

shame Hanami, shame

[potent mason]

shamenami

[dusky trail]

that sound like a name of a delicious fish

[potent mason]

salami

[onyx pumice]

this better?

[dusky trail]

now shave up the edge so it less pointy

[onyx pumice]

this good enough?

[sturdy mural]

u can use the circle u added as a guide to curve the shoulders

[onyx pumice]

that's what those lines below the shoulder are. i just moved the shoulders and accidetally erased over one of them

[dusky trail]

just erase both of them and make new circle for the new shoulder

[lone wagon]

I love this dude

[dusky trail]

also unless he is wearing a stiff jacket, the shoulder would have more curve than that

[onyx pumice]

you told me to make the shoulders square >~>

[dusky trail]

no no i say to lift up the shoulder...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783078378872897608/893849284980650004/unknown.png

look at the red line i put there

even those have slight curve in the edge

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783078378872897608/893851093245763644/unknown.png

while your is... well

[onyx pumice]

i think im just being dumb and didn't understand wwhat you said properly

?

[lone wagon]

Yeah that looks better

[dusky trail]

yep

[lone wagon]

Men's shoulders really do change a lot depending on how muscular they are

[dusky trail]

not enough rib

[lone wagon]

But his character looks skinny

That's why is ent skinny boi

[onyx pumice]

tfw it's almost 5pm and i worked on this SKETCH from like 9am

[dusky trail]

well i won't call your draw is a "sketch"

[lament stump]

same

[dusky trail]

it looks like you just eyeball the line

[lament stump]

more like a doodle

[dusky trail]

that is why it looks really off

a sketch would have more frame so you can adjust easy

[lament stump]

so why does your mobius that's fallin look better then mine

when you spent 2min and i spent 7days

[dusky trail]

because i sketch

[lament stump]

not making sense

I DID TO

WDYM

[fiery lantern]

oh

[dusky trail]

sure

[onyx pumice]

well, i call it a sketch because it's mostly just eyeballing from references to have somewhat of a baseline for the character

[lament stump]

YOU USE SHAPES FOR THAT

oops

caps on

[onyx pumice]

IM STUPID OK

[lament stump]

just use shapes

[onyx pumice]

i, clearly, don't know how to art

[dusky trail]

don't worry, Aki is about the same lv as your

slightly higher but around the same

[lament stump]

about is the key word there

well

we'll see how mobius turns out i have high hopes for that

[fiery lantern]

I Love DRAWING KIANA

IM SO IN LOVE WITH IT

[sinful imp]

[fiery lantern]

but I want to finish it

[fiery lantern]

hey

I didn’t mean that

I swear

see

it says love

[lament stump]

sure

[fiery lantern]

it says love

[sinful imp]

[fiery lantern]

[dusky trail]

and while you say that, i already done streamline her

[onyx pumice]

ahhhh i haven't even started doing clothes or hair or facial expressions

ffufuuuuu

[lone wagon]

mobius

Yes YESSSSS YESSSSSS

[grave nymph]

shikni-sensei hayai

[dusky trail]

that because i don't have to worry about that seaweed looking hair when i draw

and then just adjust the spot look wrong later

[potent mason]

shes like tatsumaki from one punch man

[dusky trail]

Tatsumakis's rib hmmm

[full solstice]

wtf no

[lament stump]

it ain't even that seaweedy cmon

[warped musk]

oof he got muted

[full solstice]

lmao

[dusky trail]

just a normal day for him

[full solstice]

aki getting muted another time

he should learn not to letter spam

[lament stump]

so

what if whe is in water

instead

of

falling

[dusky trail]

still the same thing

[fiery lantern]

3

2

1

ITS 1 AM

time to finish kiana

I don’t want to shade

ILL SHADE

CMON

U CAN DO IT

I have no motivation

[lament stump]

um well

what easier to shade?

[dusky trail]

not really, that would also mean you need to shade her in a way to look like she underwater

along with the background to actually look like she is underwater

[lament stump]

so falling it is

[potent mason]

underwater harder for you coz youll have to shade the water reflkection as well and youre gonna brainfart in the process

[lament stump]

falling still hard as well...

[dusky trail]

ya underwater shading is one of the most annoying thing to do as water reflect light in a really odd way

[lament stump]

okay I'll do the line art and then worry about bg

cuz bg gonna determine my shading

[dusky trail]

not like falling give much problem with the shade

unless you still try to go for the moon behind her thing

[lament stump]

I DO

cuz if i don't

idk what else

[dusky trail]

give up and make a new draw?

[lament stump]

spend to much time on this

gonna finish it

[potent mason]

if theres moon behind her it would be very easy because most of the shadows is already done by the moon

[lament stump]

ye shading of her body

but bg shading

he he

[potent mason]

meh relatively easy

[dusky trail]

just a big circle along with few layers to make it shine

so simple even Shii can do it

show him @grave nymph

[lament stump]

o k i still have 1 more question

[potent mason]

but what if shii also turns the moon into chibi accidentally

[lament stump]

so what mouth do i slap on her

[potent mason]

a dong perhaps

[dusky trail]

shouldn't it be a gag ball

[lament stump]

a dong

what is that

[potent mason]

are you serious?

[lament stump]

yes

oh

[potent mason]

the thing between your legs

[dusky trail]

you are failure as a man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZYPvEeYYs4

also just go watch her trailer and see what kind of mouth suit her

[fiery lantern]

a DONT

don’t

song

DONT

DONG

[dusky trail]

yena want to taste the muted feeling but sadly Ai-chan only do it to Aki

[lament stump]

yena too bad for you she only loves me

now i wanna do this fave

c

[lament stump]

i did get it before you said it but ai chan didn't like it for some reason

[weak stump]

im gonna stop here

[dusky trail]

the feet could be deeper for that kind of angle

specially the right foot

[weak stump]

ima fixe that later, thanks !

[dusky trail]

just show more of the top of the shoes and slim down the sole

[gloomy herald]

https://twitter.com/redactedseed/status/1444289866586492931?s=20

Redacted Seed (Commissions Open) (@redactedseed)

Herrscher of Flamescion fanart

#HonkaiImpact3rd
#HONKAIIMPACT3
#kianakaslana
#FANART
#AnimeArt

Twitter · Oct 2, 2021, 1:15 PM

[lament stump]

you finnaly did it

pog

[onyx pumice]

added some clothes draft

idk how to draw jeans

[dusky trail]

that is fine, you just need some wrinkle around the crotch

[onyx pumice]

like so?

[dusky trail]

i mean a V- shape

just look at Kevin's crotch there

[onyx pumice]

this better?

[dusky trail]

ya

[lament stump]

this

is

going

to

takeeeee

soooo longgg

still don't know what to do about the mouth

guess I'll leave it fot then end

[whole cloak]

Her sleeve is bigger and drapier

like it should be a triangle shape

[onyx pumice]

your lines are so good ;-; im jealous

[dusky trail]

she doesn't have sleeve on the right arm

[lament stump]

@dusky trail HA

[dusky trail]

now redo it

[lament stump]

I'll invert her

[onyx pumice]

canvas flip

[lament stump]

woop

[whole cloak]

now bigger sleeve

[lament stump]

noooooooooo

[whole cloak]

That black part is also bigger and more defined

[lament stump]

you know why, cuz she falling so it can be weirdd

[whole cloak]

Bigger spikes

[dusky trail]

what a waste then because the sleeve can be use to create illusion of falling even easier

[whole cloak]

But the sleeve doesn’t shrink when gravity works

yea what shik said

[lament stump]

my seaweed hair will cover that

[whole cloak]

Her neck is quite long

[lament stump]

cover the illusion

[lament stump]

will cover that too

[whole cloak]

Her hair won’t cover the arm and length of the neck tho

[lament stump]

okay that's an easy fix let me do that

[whole cloak]

also her hair should point straight up if she’s falling from directly above

[lament stump]

but shik did you seeeee thiss ufufufufu

[dusky trail]

see what?

did you see anything, Sel

[lament stump]

someone complimented meeee

[whole cloak]

[lament stump]

not like you

[dusky trail]

he start getting hallucinated and think someone praise him

sad

[lament stump]

um

idk but hair was done by silver so it's carrying the drawing

[onyx pumice]

also remember, that's from my perspective, mostly in relation to my own skills

[whole cloak]

ok uh i guess she can fall at an angle

[dusky trail]

and now her hair and the pointy thingy fall in two differernt direction

[lament stump]

ik lol

OKAY STOP

[whole cloak]

The pointy hair string things should be pointing in about the same direction as her hair

[lament stump]

WHY SUCH NITPICKING

[dusky trail]

it is not nitpicking, it is "shoving the spot at our face that we can't ignore"

[whole cloak]

Also smaller chest if you’re going for her current body

[plain bane]

what's today's falling struggle

[lament stump]

I'm doing a hard pose here okayyy, it can't be perfect

no way it's not hard I swearrr

[dusky trail]

but it is so easy about to load my sketch again

[whole cloak]

it’s not that hard if you understand basic physics on clothes and hair
but I gotta say you are improving really fast

[lament stump]

thanks sel

[dusky trail]

you guy are bullying him day and night after all, of course he start to "progress"

[lament stump]

you ain't like this armpiut freak

[lament stump]

YOU

[whole cloak]

oh also thin the waist
that seems to be something you forget a lot

[lament stump]

DO IT

THE MOST

[whole cloak]

[lament stump]

now i lost motivation to continue the line art

but i wanna post is on devi for that contest

so

heh

[whole cloak]

It’s a few simple things you’re missing rn
can I outline them

[lament stump]

yes

ofc

[whole cloak]

they sound complicated but they’re small changes that make a big difference

So generally like this

the blue lines by her head mean that her black hair accessory things should point the same way as her hair and arm and there should probably be one in the front

[smoky osprey]

Is that mobius

[lament stump]

yes thanks

[smoky osprey]

Falling in the air?

[lament stump]

OH

YES

YES YES

[lament stump]

thanks sel

[dusky trail]

she clearly just trip and can't get up

[smoky osprey]

[lament stump]

it is okay even ppl can recognize what is happening

[whole cloak]

yeah it’s pretty clear she’s falling

[lament stump]

cuz of the hair lol

silver thanks againnn

[smoky osprey]

Her knees are a bit rigid for falling in the air it feels like

[whole cloak]

yeah her thighs could be a bit longer too just noticed

[lament stump]

CUZ STUPID MOBIUS AND HER LEGS THAT ARE TOGETHER

[smoky osprey]

Um

[dusky trail]

that is what i said

[hardy yew]

@dusky trail if i drew seele or veli, who would fit a suit/ black pleated skirt and a white t shirt w/ long sleeves and a tie

[smoky osprey]

I’d just point the angles of her calves more up

They can still be together

[dusky trail]

both can look good if you go for ponytail

but Vel would have more rough look to fit the tomboy look

[hardy yew]

Pony tail?

Hmm

[dusky trail]

just throw in a glasses and bam

[hardy yew]

Koichi acohchii iforgor name

[smoky osprey]

I guess if you’re stuck on her pose instead of trying to clobber together straight lines try maybe a few fluid curvy lines to find what you’re looking for?

[dusky trail]

https://cdn.donmai.us/sample/f6/2b/__makise_kurisu_steins_gate_drawn_by_huke__sample-f62bd21312a6a30c58ac9ec6d16c6654.jpg

[hardy yew]

Well i dont want them to look femboy or boy ish i want them to look maturely feminine

Hold on

[onyx pumice]

basic face added

[dusky trail]

left eye is bigger than right

[onyx pumice]

god drawing hair is a f---ing pain

[lament stump]

you give me a boost of confidence crys

ty

[dusky trail]

sure, Crys is better than your

there you go, now go finish that Mobius

[onyx pumice]

glad my mental deficiency is helping you

[smoky osprey]

[smoky osprey]

Everyone has their pace of learning

[hardy yew]

Like this on the right

[lament stump]

sure, the lina art will take like 2 days and stupid colors, i don't even wanna talk about it

[smoky osprey]

Being shoved criticism left and right won’t help them improve

[lament stump]

it does tho

[dusky trail]

Seele for t-shirt + tie

[hardy yew]

Alright

[smoky osprey]

Idk for me criticism is very helpful

[lament stump]

I'm getting bonked here and it's helping

[hardy yew]

And veli femboy suit

[smoky osprey]

But not being bombarded with it

[lament stump]

ALTHO THEY COULD BE A LITTLE MORE POLITE

[onyx pumice]

criticism is good
roasts are not

[supple sorrel]

it's nice to say a good thing about the art you're critiquing too

[onyx pumice]

being told what is wrong and how to fix it is helpful
being told "your drawing sucks lol" isn't

[lament stump]

i can roast you and say it's crit and you won't ever know mu ha ha ha

[hardy yew]

Sometimes roasts can explain more then crit in less words

[lament stump]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-mr-burns-muahahaha-evil-laugh-gif-4482837

[supple sorrel]

I personally like the sandwhich method, start with a compliment, do the critiquing then end with another compliment

[dusky trail]

then time for some good cop, bad cop

[hardy yew]

Thats a technique?

[lament stump]

sel did that to me lol

[supple sorrel]

I think it's a good rule of thumb

[supple sorrel]

nice

[lament stump]

what are you gonna be I wonder

[dusky trail]

it is carrot and stick technique if you want to call that

[smoky osprey]

That reminds me of my professors grading my papers lmfaoo

“Nice thesis, work more on your analysis”

[hardy yew]

I use it most of the times

[onyx pumice]

is this better?

[dusky trail]

minerly amuse cop

[lament stump]

small eyes mabye

and to up

[supple sorrel]

the character is looking forward but its nose is facing its right

[smoky osprey]

Your guide lines seem a bit high

Looks like it’s on the forehead of the character

[dusky trail]

it almost turn into a bandana rather than guide line

[onyx pumice]

kek

as i said before
i suck at proportions

[smoky osprey]

That’s ok you’ll improve for sure

[onyx pumice]

and basically everything else but shhh

[smoky osprey]

I’d lower the horizontal line and then place the eyes directly below it

[onyx pumice]

so lower eyes, make them bigger and how do i fix the nose?

[dusky trail]

you probably shouldn't make the eyes bigger than it already is

[onyx pumice]

oh

[dusky trail]

male char at least don't need big eyes

[smoky osprey]

Though you could fix up the shape of it a bit

[onyx pumice]

1. is this better
2. surprised nobody said anything about the hair

[dusky trail]

boy hair can be rather low effort so not many care

[onyx pumice]

he's supposed to be a noble so i want his hair to look at least decent

[smoky osprey]

Is this an oc or a specific character

[dusky trail]

also the nose is still too pointy to one side

[onyx pumice]

OC, a bit inspired by Yan from Library of Ruina

but an OC nonetheless

[dusky trail]

just look at his nose

[lament stump]

that's a shadow that you are drawing crys

[smoky osprey]

Guidelines can still be lowered by quite a bit

If you’re placing the eyes there

Otherwise move the eyes up

[dusky trail]

just put it between the eyes or below the eyes

[lament stump]

um

[hardy yew]

@dusky trail i need help again

[lament stump]

do i gotta make it not look 2nd or the angle makes it look like this

[hardy yew]

🗿

[dusky trail]

it rather flat

[onyx pumice]

this better?

[hardy yew]

Im asking for to much but i need a cute pose ref, but i found this for seele to wear

[dusky trail]

curve the slit between the sleeve to create a more 3d look

[hardy yew]

As a "suit"

[lament stump]

what the fuck is slit

[hardy yew]

I'll change the bow tie to a tie

[onyx pumice]

a cut

[lament stump]

curve waht cut

all these?

[dusky trail]

@hardy yew pick one

[lament stump]

oreshura

i think

i know the name was ore somthing

[fiery lantern]

It’s 4 am

[dusky trail]

make the bottom one curve down while the top one curve up

just slightly, don't overdo it

[fiery lantern]

how do u shade hands 😭

[dusky trail]

still look like she about to stab her eye with that lolipop

[fiery lantern]

IT DOES 😭

I’m gonna lower it

[dusky trail]

and again, just shade the palm

do a reverse triangle shape on it and done

[hardy yew]

3rd one is good but do you have a 1:1 poses?

[fiery lantern]

oh

okay

[dusky trail]

just click it and [open original] ?

[lament stump]

boom bam pow?

[dusky trail]

top is fine, bottom not yet

oh and do the outline of the sleeve too

no point only curve the cut

[lament stump]

took my a while to understan that one

so just the cut

okay

[onyx pumice]

?

[dusky trail]

oh ya the nose seem fine now

[onyx pumice]

i meant the face in general but that works too

[lament stump]

i'll have to do the bottom part of the sleve i think

[dusky trail]

naturally

also try to curve it like her sleeve there

[fiery lantern]

kamisato ayaka.

[lament stump]

this cool lookin

now curve

[dusky trail]

curve the sleeve her inward too

[onyx pumice]

so this is my base so far
anything that looks like it needs fixing?

[dusky trail]

the hip too sink in compare to the torso

[onyx pumice]

*line thickness will be fixed when i make proper lineart

[dusky trail]

it likes the top is 80% rib and 20% hip

[onyx pumice]

so less hip?

[dusky trail]

raise the hip up

[onyx pumice]

oh

[full solstice]

you should abide by your own words too aki

[onyx pumice]

like so?

[dusky trail]

yes

[onyx pumice]

aight

[full solstice]

calling someone's drawing a 7 yo look alike isnt polite nor does it help them to improve

also a note for you: if someone doesn't ask for criticism, it's usually best to not give it unwarranted

[fiery lantern]

huh

[full solstice]

i've learned from experience that some artists get reallllyyyy pissy about it

[lament stump]

okay mb

[dusky trail]

and then some of them make a scene to make they fanbase defend them

fun

[hardy yew]

I'll use one of these

[onyx pumice]

yikes

[full solstice]

bro it sucks so much

[lament stump]

he took it well tho

i had luck

[full solstice]

i had to call out a tracer and all their friends started siccing us

[fiery lantern]

I always ask if I can give feedback first

[dusky trail]

the amount of those ppl in deviantart do that then say "i gonna close my page" just so the fan go to that other person make a mess about it

[full solstice]

yeah but just keep in mind not everyone is that nice

[fiery lantern]

not that my feedback is useful but still

[dusky trail]

then show back up after few day..

[fiery lantern]

oml

this

[full solstice]

welcome to the dramatic internet

[fiery lantern]

lollipop

[lament stump]

yea yea, I'll be more carefull next time

[fiery lantern]

is going to make me go crazy

[dusky trail]

well since she wearing long skirt, better use a pose can help her show it off

[dusky trail]

like a liffing the hem pose or spinning around to make the skirt float

[full solstice]

mhm yeah thats fine!

[onyx pumice]

you got lucky because i know my art sucks and already crack too many self-deprecating jokes to care too much

[fiery lantern]

it looks so unatural 😭

[smoky osprey]

Lollipop Kiana

[full solstice]

if you go on youtube, there are hand tutorials

really helpful

[fiery lantern]

the lollipop 🍭

[full solstice]

🍭

[dusky trail]

put some color on it, a shade and lightning

[onyx pumice]

anyways
anything else needs fixing?

[full solstice]

for shading, since you said you're struggling with hand shading

[fiery lantern]

yes

[sinful imp]

[dusky trail]

not sure if it a high boot or not, if not the his ankle is way too big

[fiery lantern]

I’ve never shaded a drawing b4 lol

like properly

[supple sorrel]

the ends of the pants look flat

[full solstice]

oh lol i was about to ask

yeah i feel you

[supple sorrel]

your legs are cilinders so your clothes are gonna be cilinders too

[full solstice]

shading is a pain but it really does bring a drawing to life

[fiery lantern]

I don’t do digital much

[fiery lantern]

that’s why I’m trying to shade it

[supple sorrel]

what I mean to say is, curve the ends like they're the bottom of a cilinder

[fiery lantern]

I’m going to shade it and it’s going to look good

[full solstice]

mhm yeah and good on you

[fiery lantern]

like hell it is istg

I have no motivation

[full solstice]

at least you are trying to improve, the amount of people i see who dont even try to improve...

it gets annoying

[fiery lantern]

it’s 4:20 am 🤪

[full solstice]

yeah that happens to me too

[onyx pumice]

it's kind of a low shoe?
this was my reference