art-discussion-and-wip

[potent mason]

So you're doing us a favor

[lament stump]

oh well your welcome 😀

[dusky trail]

just don't be too obsessed that you ignore everyone opinion and rage if they nitpick your art

see a good amount of ppl like that back when i still in Deviant Art and boi it is not pretty

[potent mason]

Those aren't artists they're narcissists ppl

[plain bane]

I'd be grateful if people nitpicked my art

[dusky trail]

also, look fine to me

[plain bane]

Helps me fix stuff cause I'm pretty blind

[lament stump]

ppl here point out my mistakes and I love it so much

[plain bane]

Fr

Do the eyes look okay?

Mainly the right eye

[dusky trail]

i usually just skip it if the hair covered it anyway

[plain bane]

That's just so I know the shape

I'll erase it

[dusky trail]

well, her face to chin distance is a bit too close

[plain bane]

Probably should pull the nose down looking now

[shadow nebula]

the eye looks fine but you should lower the nose, makes her face looked squished

[dusky trail]

and that make the hair way too bigger than it should

[plain bane]

Yeah

[dusky trail]

i would shift the bang and the eyes a bit higher

[plain bane]

Better?

[dusky trail]

maybe a bit to the right?

[plain bane]

What to the right?

[dusky trail]

the nose

the left eye at least make it too far away

[dusky trail]

ya about that

[plain bane]

Alright

So the face is OK now?

Why does autocorrect correct ok to OK

[dusky trail]

i still think the face is a bit too low cause the hair to be way too long than it should though

[plain bane]

I should bright her face up a bit?

Bring

[dusky trail]

and the... side burn? is that what it call? on her left is a bit far away

[plain bane]

My autocorrect is having a bit of a breakdown sorry

Which side?

[dusky trail]

give me a sec

[plain bane]

Her left? I think you mean

[dusky trail]

try to shift the eyes so it more in middle of the face

@plain bane this way she would have more balance face

[supple sorrel]

I'll be honest with you that doesn't look great

[plain bane]

What doesn't look great?

[supple sorrel]

this ver

at least imo

[dusky trail]

[plain bane]

Might be because its made from my art

[supple sorrel]

probably not

they decompressed the face and it looks kinda dead suddenly

[plain bane]

It already looked kinda dead

[dusky trail]

well that how i would do it at least, his first draft make it like she gonna have her bang completely covered her face

[supple sorrel]

it may be cause the proportions changed?

the eye socket seems to be longer and the cheek lower

[plain bane]

I might just leave as is, I'd rather not ruin it cause I don't understand

[dusky trail]

k then~

[plain bane]

It looks better than all my previous drawings

[dusky trail]

that no steal though

[plain bane]

Even without being finished

Yeah

People used to steal my other art

No risks here

My sonic fanart from ages ago was stolen

Trying to think about how I can fix her grip on the phone

How would it look if I made the arm plenty more foreshortened? Like she's holding the phone in front?

Looks like her arms too long there

Bit general idea

[potent mason]

Is it just me or it got even worse coz she doesn't have a neck anymore?

[shadow nebula]

to do that you'll need to move the arm forward

[plain bane]

That's the old sketch

[potent mason]

Yshould refer to 99night's pic about the pose, he gave a rough sketch about it

[hardy yew]

colored it, now onto shading
what do you guys think?

[plain bane]

So bright her arm more forward?

[shadow nebula]

yeah, the angle is more from the front of the character than above so the example you gave makes the arm look unnatural

[shadow nebula]

its looking good

[supple sorrel]

my take on that head

sorry it took so long I want to punch my laptop in its face it's so fucking slow

so the first thing I noticed was that the chin was misplaced

and then I took all the hair and made it smaller to fit the skull better

then, something I consider important, I drew her right eyebrow, which let me find where the nose is supposed to go and I'll show you how too

and I gave her a bigger smile to show that she's mischevious

[potent mason]

Why does it have paws when the honkai beast is using crab-like claw and hoof to walk?

[hardy yew]

personal choice

[hardy yew]

thanks tho!

[supple sorrel]

so for the nose, I do something like this @plain bane

something cool to consider is that the nose on us begins at half around the eyeball, but for cutesy reasons on anime gurlz it's more curved and a little lower

[shadow nebula]

@plain bane very rough but that should give you an idea for where the arm should be and perspective on it

[supple sorrel]

also in poses where the head is both turned and tilted the nose almost or even covers the eye

[plain bane]

Okay I'm gonna take a few and read all this over

[shadow nebula]

for the raised arm taking the photo make sure to raise the shoulder. csp models aren't very good

[potent mason]

What laptop you use?

[supple sorrel]

uhh hp pavillion something something

[potent mason]

Oh nc, you can draw with that with its hp pen

[supple sorrel]

nah it's not the touch screen one

I have a wacom tablet for that

[potent mason]

Oh

I was gunning for either that or the lenovo flex 5 before but I got turned off by the color accuracy so I just bought a laptop with high color accuracy but non touch one

[supple sorrel]

yeah I think I have some problems with mine about that too

can't tell if my tablet's wrong or my laptop's wrong

and my phone looks something in between

[plain bane]

Taking it slowly

Should it be more like this for nose?

[potent mason]

The best option is the Samsung galaxy book flex 15. The pen is Wacom tech pen, color accuracy is superb and 8-10 hrs battery. Only downside is the panel is glass so it would feel like drawing in glass and it's just doesn't feel natural.

[supple sorrel]

yeah I think so

[supple sorrel]

never thought about buying a touch screen laptop honestly

does it even have pressure sensitivity if it's from glass

[hardy yew]

any advice on coloring hair

[supple sorrel]

I just die honestly

I can never get the fancy blending and the fancy little hair uh accumulations

[hardy yew]

i see i have found my people

[whole cloak]

I color hair like this
slap a base color or two
Grab fade watercolor brush in ibispaint
b l e n d
add highlights by changing fade watercolor brush color or with fade pen
or with dip pen idk

my coloring style is the same for everything idk texture ahaha
this one might make it more clear

this is also useful @hardy yew

[supple sorrel]

yup apply the base color then some shadows and now next step just finish it noob

[prime kelp]

ikr right

[hardy yew]

i have no clue how shadows and whatnot work

beginner af

[lament stump]

yoooo sameee

I'm begginer af as well and shadows look very questionable

like coloring is all about shading as I've seen till now

base color then shade

and shadeing is so hard

[whole cloak]

that’s why I blur the colors with fade pen to look like I know what I’m doing

[lament stump]

you style looks a lot like painting with water brushes

looks a lot less cartoonish which is nice

you have a cool style

[whole cloak]

ty

[hardy yew]

yeah i dunno what brushes to use either so i just stick to one

procreate too complicated for my small brain

[lament stump]

I use 6 brushes, a basic one for sketches (no pen pressure), G-pen for line a art, marker for base colors, shading pen for y'know what, blur pen for you know what and blending pen

[whole cloak]

I use two
basic hard dip pen (speed sensitivity since I don’t have pressure sensitive stylus) and flat watercolor/fade (constant width)

[proven nest]

im trying to draw this gorl with a bun and i hate that i have to shape her head with the hair so i cant mess up cuz it's tied back not loose

huge abnormal head yes

maybe if i make her look to the side a little it'll be easier instead of straight on

[grave nymph]

I wonder if I should sometimes dump art references and guides here

[dusky trail]

unless you get mod to pin it in, not much point to put here since it will just being push up anyway

[proven nest]

i figured out the bun issue but now i hate the way i drew the bangs

[grave nymph]

true

[hardy yew]

hey id appreciate it regardless

anything i can fix? honestly no clue what im doing

[dusky trail]

hard to tell with just that

[hardy yew]

yeah i havent done much else since i work slow

is there anything i can improve about the shading in the hair? no energy to do the rest right now

[dusky trail]

well i would say you could shade the part of hair under the hair accessory too

[hardy yew]

could you show an example? when i tried to do it, it kinda just looked like a messy blob

[dusky trail]

you don't have to shade it too strongly

just do a slight curve like Elysia there

[hardy yew]

any better? or wrong positioning

i cant really tell right now since im tired af

[dusky trail]

fine enough

though you do need to do it on the part on her forehead too

specially under the gem

[hardy yew]

what angle of the gem?

bottom right? orrr

[dusky trail]

with the way you shade right now, the light source would be on the right so it should be bottom left

[hardy yew]

like this?

[dusky trail]

ya should do

well if you aim for chibi style anyway you don't really need to worry about shade thing too thick

[hardy yew]

just testing stuff right now tbh

[proven nest]

excuse the ugly lines, using laptop, but um if i wanna put chopsticks in the hair, do those go through the base of the bun or more in the middle of the bun? i tried to google pictures but im not 100% sure.. im thinking it's the base?

[dusky trail]

you can stab it about anywhere

[grave nymph]

mhm

[proven nest]

ah, okie. i thought there was a specific way and didnt wanna get it wrong. thank you!

[dusky trail]

https://cdn.donmai.us/original/06/dc/__yaguchi_miu_idolmaster_and_1_more__06dc263a322317cb97052ad97f4b1b73.jpg

[proven nest]

wait should i draw more of a neck on her? or does it look like the kimono collar is just high?

[dusky trail]

the bun itself usually stable enough on it own

so stabbing pin, chop stick or what not on usually for decoration

[proven nest]

i just thought the chopsticks would look cute

[dusky trail]

if you aim for chibi style then you don't really need much neck anyway

[proven nest]

ohh, okie

[dusky trail]

but if you want, you can do it like so

[grave nymph]

I wonder how does one shade scarves

[proven nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/600354246529122357/844658346811981824/image0-1.gif

[dusky trail]

as for the scarves, it mainly about which part on the top and which is under

[grave nymph]

o?

[dusky trail]

the way you draw it make it look a bit way too thick though

like it is a really long scarf that she has to circle how many times on her neck

let it flap down like this feel more natural

but if you leave it like that then~

[grave nymph]

So I guess, it's time to redo the lineart again huh

[dusky trail]

then those part there would have more shading

the top part would be above it so it would created more shade for the one underneath

[dusky trail]

well it mainly bother me but your is still fine

no need to redo

[grave nymph]

ah

[dusky trail]

like this part of Welt here

[grave nymph]

shade those parts so it adds more depth? or something like that?

[dusky trail]

that part is higher than the one below it so it cause more shade there

ya

[grave nymph]

I see 📝

Thanks for the tip o/

[dusky trail]

still think your scarf look way too tight though

[grave nymph]

in what way?

[dusky trail]

usually only 2-3 layers but your looks like it has 5-6 layers

[grave nymph]

ah souka

guess I should really redo the lineart huh

I myself don't know what I'm doing when I was drawing the scarf

[dusky trail]

like Welt there ony have 3

shame with Kiana

but your is like 7?

[grave nymph]

[dusky trail]

ya that look cleaner

[grave nymph]

I guess those things were unnecessary huh

[dusky trail]

well if you add more layer, it would tied up around the neck more

[grave nymph]

o

[dusky trail]

gonna throw this here too if you want to see some clothe wrinkle reference

since you may want to add some line on Seele's arm where she bend there

[grave nymph]

yeah am gonna do most of the wrinkles during coloring

thanks for the references though /;w;/

[dusky trail]

then i gonna go take my nap~

[grave nymph]

oyasumi~

[grave nymph]

I wonder if the pattern looks okay

[grave nymph]

hmmmmm

idk what am doing ngl w

how does one color clothing folds

[shadow nebula]

you should make your shading darker, currently you can barely tell the difference between the base and shadows

[grave nymph]

o

something like this?

or more darker?

[shadow nebula]

darker, the values for everything are too similar

[grave nymph]

I should look for more references huh

[shadow nebula]

this photo has good values. See how much darker the shadows are. Try to mimic that. Your current shadows look like very very light smudges

[grave nymph]

o

[shadow nebula]

also don't be scared to use different colours fro the shadows

and lighting

think if you want cool or warm shadows/lighting

sticking to a darker colour of the base skin tone makes it very flat

[grave nymph]

naruhodo

[grave nymph]

tfw you did the shadows for too long you forgot how to add highlights in the hair or smthn

I legit forgot how to highlight hair o no

[shadow nebula]

try to find shapes likes squares, rectangles, triangles, etc in the hair for lighting and shadows instead of lines

[grave nymph]

[hardy yew]

is this mouht okay?

[grave nymph]

I guess so

hmmm I shouldn't really give advice when my brain's fried

[hardy yew]

well, its okay thank u

[shadow nebula]

yeah the mouth is fine

[dusky trail]

a lot darker than the base~

[grave nymph]

like this darker?

[dusky trail]

if you not sure how dark it can be, just slap a multiply layer on top of it, add dark color

[grave nymph]

well yeah

that's what I'm doing

[dusky trail]

if you got a good shade result you like then you can mix some color into it too

i usually do it with blue or orange

like here they do it with purple

[grave nymph]

o

[dusky trail]

that way the white shirt won't look too gray and you can make it match with the char's hair color or with the rest of they outfit

like here with a slight pink for valentine mood

[grave nymph]

Ah

[grave nymph]

hm

have to adjust a lot of stuff if going for brownish lighting

might also adjust opacity/intensity of the light

[dusky trail]

i usually just copy the hair color layer then use luminosity it

[shadow nebula]

thats looking really good

[grave nymph]

luminosity is add right?

unless I'm blind or dumb or something

[dusky trail]

oh ya forgot Clip use it differently

it should be color dodge

[grave nymph]

o

[dusky trail]

it just give me the right amount of bright that i like

so feel free to test out various layer until you find something you like

[hard star]

raiden mei wip 🌩

[grave nymph]

oooh

so you're a gpen type of artist huh

[dusky trail]

ya, i like that kind of clean style than paint

[grave nymph]

understandable

I wanna learn how to color with different syles

but have to focus on one first to know the basics o-o;;

[grave nymph]

hm

[dusky trail]

fine to me though the more detail you put on the hair, the face became more plain

[grave nymph]

how would I add more details on the face then

[shadow nebula]

up the contrast and add more colour

give the face some rim lighting to match the hair

[dusky trail]

you can also add some pink to her cheek and lip

[grave nymph]

📝

[grave nymph]

contrast is the intensity of a color right?

[shadow nebula]

yes

[grave nymph]

I don't really know technical terms when it comes to art

[shadow nebula]

no worries

[grave nymph]

how about now?

[dusky trail]

add some shade on the face to add some depth on the bang may help too

[grave nymph]

o

so the shading's still not enough huh

[dusky trail]

your is still feel rather bright compare to the hair and scarf

shade can have up to 2 layers

[grave nymph]

📝

I wonder why is it that I keep struggling with coloring the skin lul

[shadow nebula]

you can give the shadows a purple hue, it'll add depth and more contrast

[grave nymph]

oo

[shadow nebula]

its something you get better at through practice and studies

[grave nymph]

But is that okay when most of the colors are leaning to the brownish color?

[dusky trail]

ugh.. it is hard to find a good reference for you since it show too muh skin and discord.. well

[shadow nebula]

you're light is warm so making the shadows a cool colour will help the drawing

[grave nymph]

Ahh

[dusky trail]

ah this is fine, somehow

anyway, you can see she has at least 3 layers of skin shading there

[grave nymph]

[dusky trail]

the collarbone, the armpit the hair bang all shade with one more layer as those spots have more depth

as other spot will cast a shadow on it

[grave nymph]

oooo

[lament stump]

guys help

how fo I do this part

[shadow nebula]

look at a photo of a blouse and copy what you see

[dusky trail]

put the part on the right to the left and make the left part less wide

you make them too center

[shadow nebula]

copy the white one, its similar in pose

[lament stump]

alright thanks guys

[dusky trail]

you can also use this too if you want something similar to a tie as reference

[potent mason]

thats the elf princess

[dusky trail]

Takunomi "stuff" is fun~

[potent mason]

im too lazy to make acc to fav doujins so i just paste the links to a one-man server i made so i can reread them later without logging in

[dusky trail]

i'm a hoarder anyway so i just download some doujin

they can be use as reference too anyway

since they usually various angle and pose that you don't always see in normal draw

[grave nymph]

how about now?

I should also hoard more pictures huh

for references

[dusky trail]

can you zoom out a bit more

[lament stump]

I'll redo the sketch to make it better

[shadow nebula]

thats better but i would up the shadows a tad bit more

[dusky trail]

ya feel like you still kinda hold back on make the shade too dark

[shadow nebula]

also give more of the light on the hair to the face to make them mesh well

[grave nymph]

@-@

[grave nymph]

like the ends of the bangs?

[potent mason]

just note that the brighter the lightsource is the darker the shadows it produces

[grave nymph]

right

why is it the I keep forgetting the basic rules of lighting

[dusky trail]

it just he made one side of the hair too bright, so it just not mash well with the rest

[shadow nebula]

You should put the same light thats on the hair on the cheeks

[dusky trail]

so if you follow the hair lightning, then half of her body would be in the dark

[shadow nebula]

you have a very bright light source but the face has none of it

so right now it feels like the hair and the face are part of two different drawings

[dusky trail]

so you either tone down the hair lightning or make it more balance

[grave nymph]

📝

[dusky trail]

if we follow your hair lightning, this whole part here would be in the dark

[grave nymph]

mm makes sense

[potent mason]

like this

[grave nymph]

Am kinda lost on doing different intensities of light

that's +1 to my "to learn" list then

I wonder if just, turning the opacity down would work on the lighting lul

[potent mason]

or pixel lock it and decrease intensity..

[dusky trail]

probably not, the blue part of her hair would still make it feel too bright in compare

[grave nymph]

as in, lock transparent pixels?

[grave nymph]

ah

so it's technically clipping layers huh

but you don't need another layer

that's handy

[potent mason]

yes

this is how my layer tower template looks like so i can freely edit whatever part of the shade i want if i ever want any changes 🤔

sh layers is for the female skin

[grave nymph]

I got tons of unnamed layers lul

since I usually just use a shortcut and click on a specific part to just get to that layer

still too intense or?

guess I'll be finishing this tomorrow due to me having to do Honkai dailies huh

[potent mason]

move tool ye

[dusky trail]

and then the amount of layers you need if you draw multi-part for variant set....

[grave nymph]

@w@

[potent mason]

ye like what im currently working on 😩

[dusky trail]

the eyes layers alone already took 6-7 layers

[grave nymph]

relatable

[dusky trail]

and then in variant set, you usually do a lot of variant faces too

[grave nymph]

luckily the file size won't be that big right?

[dusky trail]

i draw in 4k x 3k

[grave nymph]

oh wow

[potent mason]

yep, when i usually get CG-esque ||sex scenes|| they make me draw 4-5 facial expression not including the post and pre nut layers

[grave nymph]

o-oh wow

[dusky trail]

and then the "wet" layers too

[potent mason]

you need a strong cpu to carry that load coz your file easily bloats to around a hundred mb

yes

[dusky trail]

so if you really go for it, it usually end up over 200 layers

fun

[grave nymph]

[potent mason]

and ye they need to be of higher resolution so the client can freely keep that resolution or shrink it later, 4k or go home

[dusky trail]

good thing in digital, the huge paper size doesn't effect you as much

it just effect the storage size...

[grave nymph]

mhm

the beauties of digital drawing

[shadow nebula]

i draw on 10k by 10k at 300 dpi x.x

[potent mason]

worries that Shii wont experience yet

[dusky trail]

like this one here already hit 8MB

probably more if i actually go all out with the background but ... nah draw all of those girls in one pic already took so many layers

[grave nymph]

wtf

[shadow nebula]

most of my files are over 100mb

i like having full control over details

anything smaller than 8k is too little for me

[grave nymph]

I only draw on like, 2.5k x 3.5k o-o;;;;

[dusky trail]

ya, it is nice to able to zoom in to see all the small dot you miss during color

[grave nymph]

I am now scared and excited for the future

[shadow nebula]

the file for this is over 500 mbs and its still not finished

[dusky trail]

legs

[grave nymph]

goodness gracious

[dusky trail]

well you will get there someday

it just mostly take forever to load all the file

[grave nymph]

I don't think my potato laptop can handle that size

[shadow nebula]

yeah, i have a high end gaming pc so doing this is really easy

[grave nymph]

I think it'll black screen if I have that kind of canvas size when it auto saves

[shadow nebula]

and i made sure to get the best processor which is what makes or breaks the load on your pc when doing art

[grave nymph]

and then get the file corrupted

[dusky trail]

ty for that i stock up reference a bit.. too much

90GB full of screencap and stuff hah

i really should clear them up when i have time

[grave nymph]

oh wow

[shadow nebula]

i have a very nsfw art folder from all the art model photography i have saved for references and studies

[grave nymph]

that's like, 1/10th of my max storage

[grave nymph]

where do you even get these references

[dusky trail]

just randomly browning danbooru and happen to see them

[shadow nebula]

https://www.deviantart.com/adorkastock they make great references for artists

[grave nymph]

bookmarked

[shadow nebula]

and if you really want to learn how to draw anatomy i recommend google art model photography or nude art model photography

[dusky trail]

meanwhile i have this photo book

with various sitting position and skirt type

[grave nymph]

those are nice references for skirt clothing folds

[shadow nebula]

i have a lot of stuff like this saved, but most are nude lol

[grave nymph]

lul

[shadow nebula]

dancers make for really good studies once you know anatomy well enough so you can learn to do interesting poses

[dusky trail]

same, it is easier to see the shading and waist shape that way

[grave nymph]

oooh

[dusky trail]

even stock up some challenge art trend

those thing always have some interesting reference

[shadow nebula]

i'd also give this recommendation now, if you ever want to draw a dancer like ballet or something always use references, you won't get it correct if you've never done the dance style before

and not getting a dance pose correctly makes it look awful not matter how good you are at art

[grave nymph]

o

[dusky trail]

well just finish what you need to draw first

[grave nymph]

will do

tomorrow

since it's evening here :"D

[dusky trail]

looking at reference now may cause you to think "hmm if i use this in my draw too..." then keep getting in redo cycle

[grave nymph]

yeah..

[dusky trail]

but just wander around in image hosting site and search with how_to tag can land you with some interesting one

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/4332254?q=how_to+

like this "how to draw wet skin" one

[grave nymph]

I should learn how to just, use the right words when finding references

am kinda wondering if I should remove parts of the lineart on the hair

[dusky trail]

for me at least, i don't usually put too much detail on the hair line, just use the shading for it

[grave nymph]

makes sense

almost 70% of what makes a piece of artwork good lies in coloring imo :"D

[dusky trail]

the shading is the thing do most of the work to create the depth anyway

if needed, i can always add line after i done color it

Honkai also do that double shading a lot

[grave nymph]

mmm

[lament stump]

does the skirt look okay?

[dusky trail]

seem fine

[lament stump]

nice

[dusky trail]

but maybe add some wrinkle on the waist side

[lament stump]

give me a sec

hm well that doesn't look good

[dusky trail]

you can erase the top wrinkle

just the bottom is fine

or just disconnect it to the outer line

[lament stump]

okay thanks

now the question is, am I lazy or not lazy for the feet part

[dusky trail]

just be lazy

[lament stump]

lol

[dusky trail]

heck you can even cut up to her thighs

i usually do that to draw eyes onto the thighs

[lament stump]

hmm I'll do the line art tonight and color tomorrow and if it doesn't look good I'll just erase up to thighs cuz it's not gonna take that much to draw and color the legs

[shadow nebula]

you should make the chest area not as form fitting even if the dress is tight

[potent mason]

seeing as you already lost your juices just from drawing a single pair of clothes in a day, yup definitely rock bottom lazy

[lament stump]

no it's not that

for you it's mabye "Just"

for me that bloody sketch took over 15h

[shadow nebula]

less experienced artists take longer

[lament stump]

do you mean i should make boobs bigger?

[dusky trail]

he mean the clothe would have drop point instead of completely round

[shadow nebula]

like that

[lament stump]

umm okayy

[dusky trail]

or like here

[shadow nebula]

unless the dress has a built in bra shape it won't have that form

[dusky trail]

well it is more or less depend on what kind of style you want to do anyway

[lament stump]

something like this?

[shadow nebula]

remove the line that shows the left breast

[dusky trail]

you see how the shirt just drop straight down from her left breast there?

[lament stump]

ye

I shall do that too?

[dusky trail]

if you want, again the breast in anime style can be random

[lament stump]

well now it looks weird

[grave nymph]

yeah

[dusky trail]

you can wear 3 layers of clothe and somehow the boobs still perfectly round shape

[shadow nebula]

extremely rough but you can also do this

[dusky trail]

amazing

[grave nymph]

someone just red line it :”D

[shadow nebula]

to show that there are breasts under clothes in a 2d environment you have to play with the folds of the clothes

[lament stump]

ye but this is the reference

and the skirt looks almost like it's made from lether

[dusky trail]

you can also see the clothe on her right breast not too round there

[shadow nebula]

she has a bag between her breasts but the actual dress sits very loosely on her

[lament stump]

okay I'll try to make it look more loose

[shadow nebula]

this would be most similar

[dusky trail]

it can be tight up, since she has that X string pattern on her clothe there

[shadow nebula]

could be but i can't tell from the low rez

yeah thats better

[dusky trail]

never notice that Bronya's keychain on her jacket there

[grave nymph]

MHY releases full stigma artworks when

[dusky trail]

you gonna have to buy they artbook for that

it is filled with stigmata

[lament stump]

alright I'll keep it this way thanks for the advice

[dusky trail]

still think her body could use a better hourglass shape but~ just take your time, no need to draw completely based on our advice

[lament stump]

her boody is a bit to the side, I can only make it slightly more hourglass like

[shadow nebula]

body types are highly varied from person to person so draw the body you feel is most appealing to you

[dusky trail]

it exactly because she is on her side that you can see her rib easier

sorry for having tight waist fetish sob sob

[shadow nebula]

lol

[lament stump]

I can do better then this

[dusky trail]

oh ya the X parts would curve along her body too

[sand galleon]

sorry can I ask something?

[dusky trail]

go nut

[prime kelp]

go nut?

[sand galleon]

nut?

[lament stump]

um idk...

[dusky trail]

nut

[lament stump]

i can't figure the bending thingy out

[dusky trail]

just draw a line similar to your body shape

then just draw the X slightly title to fit it

[sand galleon]

I know there are so many talented artists on this discord, and i was wondering if there is anyone who accepts free commissions.

[dusky trail]

i'm too poor to accept free commission

[lament stump]

what does accepting free commissions mean?

[dusky trail]

just as it is

[sand galleon]

I tried

[dusky trail]

you draw on his free request

[lament stump]

oh

any begginer would do that

only problem is they probably don't want a begginer to do that

but if you want someone who isn't that skilled to do a free commisssion you can find someone easily

[sand galleon]

Personally I will ask for a lot of Bronya fan art ... but there are already so many talented artists drawing her

but what I wanted to ask was to realize something that is nowhere to be found

what I ask is a hero who drawing a fan art about the magical trio:
Maho Shojo Otto, Kevin and Welt

[lament stump]

then learn art and realize it your self :)

[dusky trail]

well ya, that is the point of commission, because what you want may not be found

[sand galleon]

💔

[lament stump]

or pay someone

easy

[dusky trail]

[sand galleon]

it will remain unfinished

[dusky trail]

well when you ask for free request it is pretty much mean you can't do neither of that option anyway

[sand galleon]

I disappear, sorry for the disturb

[lament stump]

true

[potent mason]

we cant really call it a commission coz its not paid, its just an art request

[twilit stag]

[robust owl]

Book of Bepis

[supple sorrel]

help

I don't like how the bangs look

I dunno how to make them look acceptable

[shadow nebula]

move the tied hair above but behind her ear, currently they are on her forehead

[supple sorrel]

uh??

I'm not sure what you mean

[dusky trail]

he mean to move the twintails behind her ears

[supple sorrel]

but they're not behind her ears right

they're right above

[shadow nebula]

no they are behind and above

[dusky trail]

it is slightly behind ya

[supple sorrel]

:o

[dusky trail]

should be around here

but i guess it also because the way you draw the ear

[supple sorrel]

but it wouldn't be wrong theoretically having them right above the ear either right

in that case, how do I draw the bangs?

cause I kind of don't want to redraw it and ponytails are difficult for me LOL

[shadow nebula]

no you wouldn't would just give her a migraine if she was real lol

[supple sorrel]

why?

[shadow nebula]

that much hair weighs a lot and since its closer to the front than the back less hair is holding up the weight of the pony tails

long hair problems

[supple sorrel]

ah ic

[dusky trail]

muh so hard to find a reference for that ear

[supple sorrel]

yeah exactly

I don't know wtf to search for

[dusky trail]

something like that

the ear from behind won't be completely flat out

[supple sorrel]

yea

gl to me trying to draw that in a simplified style

[dusky trail]

or just be lazy and draw her twintail over the ear

[shadow nebula]

this is also good

[supple sorrel]

I'll try lol

but I'll still have to find where the overall ear is to find the hairline

[shadow nebula]

with how close her hair is to the ear it would most likely cover it from the angle you drew

[supple sorrel]

at some point I looked over proko's course and studied the face features a little, and the only one that I skipped was the ear cause huhu I won't need to draw a leggit ear riiight

[supple sorrel]

ic

thx!

woow I forgot this existed

it basically has all the answers I need

[supple sorrel]

I'm going to disintegrate now it's at odds with the perspective of the chair

I'll just move on ig

[lament stump]

this is all I could do today

[full solstice]

looking good! but is it just me or is the arm a little bit off

[hardy yew]

looks a bit stiff to me

[lament stump]

Yea i think the arm is a little off as well

Above the elbow looks good in my opinion

Under elbow looks a little off

I'll make it better

[hardy yew]

Idk if I should finish the thigh

[full solstice]

go for it

[hardy yew]

we believe in you

Thanks :D.

[plain bane]

How's this looking?

I'm not really a bg artist but I wanted to make an attempt

[supple sorrel]

wip... this has taught me a lot, let me know what you think too

also I dunno what to put in that stupid wikipedia article 😩

I just noticed I wrote weekepedia the 2nd time into the shame ball I go

[jaunty python]

just a small thing to add, you're missing her little lock of hair on the right side of her face and her lil hairpin
otherwise, i think it's super cute so far

[hardy yew]

anything i can fix? bangs shadow looks a bit off to me

[wraith vault]

💯

The tips I have is making the shadow on the middle bang only on one angle, and then try making the face a bit more round

Looks really good! I love the coloring jov

[proven nest]

i am once again mentioning im using a laptop but does anything look weird or off? before i move on from sketch phase?

the hair in particular? cuz i usually have a hard time figuring out how to shade properly so that it doesnt look flat

*where to shade, where to highlight

im thinking of making it more visible that it's sectioned front hair back hair but not sure how to go about that

i dont know

would um, extending the line like that (blue) help the shading process? and maybe fix the flat bang by making it a pointy bang and connecting that section more upwards

to have like a "source"

idk i watched videos

[full solstice]

if thats the lineart, i'd personally suggest extending that line using shadows instead of lineart, it gives it a cleaner look

if you want to know where to shade, start by thinking of a light source first

its your preference but i'd say a light source from upper-left or right corners would work best

[proven nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/600354246529122357/844658346811981824/image0-1.gif

shadow not line, okay

[lament stump]

Imo it looks like the face (mouth nose and eyes) isn't facing the same way as chin

[proven nest]

should i tilt it a certain way?

a little up?

[full solstice]

tilt what? the shadow or the light source?

[proven nest]

oh the face i mean

i was thinking of the light source, but not sure which corner would be easier considering her head is downwards

[full solstice]

oh the face, i'd say its okay as it is but if you dont want her to look like she's looking downwards, yes i'd tilt the right eye and eyebrow up

ah so the head is downwards

[proven nest]

does the chin look like it's downwards? idk i tried D:

[full solstice]

normally upper corners work best for light sources

are you going for a chibi look?

[proven nest]

ya

[full solstice]

yeah i'd say its fine

[proven nest]

oh okie

light source top right would be a little easier cuz the bun isnt on the same side im assuming

i hope

[full solstice]

it'd probably be same amount of difficulty/easiness for both corners

you can even go light source right in the upper middle

[proven nest]

im so nervous.. im not even confident with face not looking down.. now it's looking down!

[full solstice]

its always good to try things outside your comfort zone! these things help you improve, plus it doesn't matter if you're good at it or not, we're not here to judge your art, we're here to help :D

besides, trust me, that face looking downwards is better than anything i could do with downwards faces....

i hate drawing faces at angles....

[proven nest]

thank you!! i'm new to drawing in general so it's a little scary showing people stuff but i'll come back with an update when i get stuck!

[full solstice]

haha np! i'll be looking forward to ur update 👍

[trim apex]

i wuv it

[grave nymph]

why is it that whenever I sleep this channel gets active all of a sudden

[trim apex]

how much would u pay for it

[trim apex]

Its prolly coz we r from sea

[grave nymph]

I wonder how do people do these stuff where when you zoom there’s some kind of texture in the drawing

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/91666666#big_0 also the source

[grave nymph]

D:

[trim apex]

Prolly a textured brush?

[grave nymph]

is it like a very transparent layer on top?

that has a texture thingy on the whole canvas?

[trim apex]

It looks more natural like this but i honestly do not know how to do this

[grave nymph]

same

I’ve been wanting to know how to do this ever since last month

[trim apex]

It looks like it, otherwise it would totally block the skin color so i think it has a layer on top with lowered opacity

[grave nymph]

it might be very handy later on

[trim apex]

Ive been agonizing abt how to do this as well for quite some time now

[grave nymph]

what kind of texture tho

is it some kind of paper?

[trim apex]

Hmmm does it depend on what software we use for digi illustration?

Coz what if this person uses photoshop

I mean i dont use photoshop so prolly why

[grave nymph]

same

me use csp

[trim apex]

Nice nice, csp is a good one

[full solstice]

so like anyone feel like helping me design a char

[grave nymph]

all I can say is

get your references out

that is all

[full solstice]

LOL

dw i've got plenty of honkai refs

maybe some pgr stuff in there too

[grave nymph]

mmmm

I should draw other characters besides Seele huh

[full solstice]

maybe would help

after all seele has shortish hair, it might be fun to practice longer hair

[grave nymph]

I mean

I draw Seele with short hair and “Seele” with long hair

that’s why I always say that Seele’s quite a versatile model

[whole cloak]

Noise filter and texture layers work with pretty much any program
I use ibis and it works, I’ve also tried on procreate

Or just get a photo editing app

[trim apex]

What kind of device do u use

[trim apex]

But pgr character designs and models r very different from honkai characters well anyway goodluck

[whole cloak]

my iphone
I’ve tried on iPad before

[grim heart]

ur favorite gender in a suit

this is just a doodle lol im gonna draw eins in a dress too

[tidal forge]

[grizzled moth]

add a noise layer, set the layer to multiply, lower the opacity and done.. you can use the noise layer in filter then render .. or you can just go to csp downloaded materials, monochromatic then tectures

[grave nymph]

ah

So that’s how it is

Thank you so much /;w;/

[grizzled moth]

it will darken your overall drawing but you can still use airbrush to erase some parts you want to emphasize

[grave nymph]

yup, makes sense

Now my one month long question in my head’s solved

finally

[sand galleon]

nothing

[grave nymph]

oh wow

imagine wanting to have someone draw a thingy without paying them <-<;;

that's why there's another solution

"If they don't want to draw this, then learn how to do it yourself"

[sand galleon]

it was a stupid drawing

I tried to ask, I failed enough, end of story

[grave nymph]

well you're just starting

you'll get better overtime

[potent mason]

they just applied noise

[grave nymph]

Drawing is a thing that needs patience and commitment

[grave nymph]

o

never knew about those before tbh XD

[potent mason]

but i dont rly recommend using noise on a skin because skin dont work like that, its mostly used on objects but if they add it to every part of the piece it just means its a stylized art style

[sand galleon]

well, I notice good progress on you. I noticed that you were researching and taking color recommendations

[grave nymph]

yeah, I'm quite active here lul

[grave nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/874736846259781692.gif?v=1

[shadow nebula]

noise is used to give it a more traditional look, so using it on skin is fine. Its really just preference

[grave nymph]

yeah

I saw a lot of people have a noise layer for the whole canvas

[shadow nebula]

yeah thats how you do it

if everything is covered by it besides the focal point it looks a little weird tbh

[potent mason]

i mainly use them when i draw sand

[grave nymph]

I guess everyone here have different preferences huh

[shadow nebula]

yeah

[grave nymph]

I wonder if I should just, do the backgrounds and call this done

[dusky trail]

well noise and sandy texture can make the draw look more rough so it is quite fun to use

i would be lazy and call it is done

and if i'm not so lazy, i would draw some snow, add in white breath, maybe some dark on the background

to make it like she just arrive for her date

[grave nymph]

snow huh

how do they do those effects when you're exhaling when it's snowing

[dusky trail]

for me at least, i usually switch the pen's edge shape for more softer line, reduce the density too

and just draw a circle around few time

then use erase with low density to grind that breath somemore till i feel like it is good

[supple sorrel]

if you practice through some anatomical basics then you have a lovely way of coloring and shading

[dusky trail]

or just do this, use air brush in front of her mouth

[grave nymph]

right

[supple sorrel]

mk I just realized that message doesnt make any sense but bottom line I like how you color

[grave nymph]

airbrush huh

[grave nymph]

thanks /;w;/
Still have a lot to learn though

[supple sorrel]

NOW PULL HARDER

[grave nymph]

use motion blur?

[grave nymph]

oh no

[dusky trail]

roll it all around then stub it in her mouth

[grave nymph]

you monster

[potent mason]

make a sailor's knot so that it'll take a day for it to be untied

[grave nymph]

[potent mason]

punishment for being a generic anime mc troupe

[grave nymph]

I wonder if this is a good draft for a simple background

[shadow nebula]

yeah that looks good, when shading remember the lighting you gave seele and then make it more dull/misty to give the image depth or have it be blurred

[grave nymph]

mmm

I plan to blur parts of the bg

also add something on the foreground

[grave nymph]

oooo

[dusky trail]

i just wonder how deep that sword gonna be in the ground for her to able to knee that way

[grave nymph]

I wonder how big it is w

[safe falcon]

Well it’s a pretty long sword, I’d say it’s probably as long as a sword Himeko uses and the swords she uses are as big as her and himeko is tad taller then kiana

[safe falcon]

Alight moved the leg so she isn’t leaning in the sword as much

[dusky trail]

you can always make her touching the blade itself

[trim apex]

i see u must be an rk

[trim apex]

Thats so helpful

[dusky trail]

but what i would do with long blade like that is to raise the hand higher

[trim apex]

sad, i wouldve done it honestly

[trim apex]

shell see himeko in a few seconds more

[sand galleon]

so maybe my plan is working

[trim apex]

what plan

[sand galleon]

if one day you pass the idea of ​​doing that
drawing on your own, it will be the success of my plan

and finally I could have the perfect meme to send to a friend of mine

[trim apex]

[safe falcon]

I’m going for a hugging the sword look

[dusky trail]

then you can always let the sword stab in the ground deep

[safe falcon]

But I’ll make another layer and try that

[dusky trail]

https://cdn.donmai.us/original/b6/94/__nero_claudius_and_nero_claudius_fate_and_1_more_drawn_by_nanao_mahaya__b694ff6306ee6ff2ace64c71264222da.jpg

just make the sword planted in the ground like so

[safe falcon]

I’ll try that but I’d have to redo the legs so its more of a squat then A kneel, I’ll dup the file then try that

[shadow nebula]

were you trying to mimic this figure?

[dusky trail]

another option would just be let the sword lean on her instead of her leaning on the sword

[safe falcon]

Yah I was

I say it and though I’d looks good with kiana

Saw*

[dusky trail]

actually is Kiana's sword even that long?

[shadow nebula]

if you want to keep to this pose raise the sword a lot higher and make kiana lean on the sword more

[dusky trail]

i don't really use her yet

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/honkaiimpact3_gamepedia_en/images/d/d8/Herrscher_of_Flamescion.png/revision/latest?cb=20210819164447

[grave nymph]

the sword's not that deep into the ground

[dusky trail]

but since she is kneeing here

the sword can't be that long

[grave nymph]

yeah

you can also try to look at that cg

[shadow nebula]

her sword is i think a little shorter than her it looks like or the same size

[grave nymph]

where she's pointing the sword to the puppet

[safe falcon]

Her sword is comparable to one of himekos

That’s a broken god slayer sword

[grave nymph]

that's surtr

[safe falcon]

The tip is broken on that

[dusky trail]

but we all know whenever MC do this kind of pose, the sword usually grow twice longer

[grave nymph]

true

lemme get that cg real quick

[safe falcon]

See himeko is a bit taller then kiana but the sword is bigger then her

[shadow nebula]

her standing and putting the tip in the ground makes it roughly her height in her victory pose

[dusky trail]

Himeko is stabbing the ground there though

[grave nymph]

full pic

wow I'm so slow

[shadow nebula]

its a little bigger than kiana

[dusky trail]

not that long, about 2 arms length

[safe falcon]

Not from bottom to stop

Top*

[dusky trail]

well there are various way to draw that kind of pose so just test thing out

[grave nymph]

mhm

don't need to copy all of it

[dusky trail]

now i sudden want to draw Kiana like Megaman ZX

[grave nymph]

lol what

[dusky trail]

like what if she combine with other Herrscher form and change color~

[safe falcon]

sword is actually a lot bigger then I thought

[dusky trail]

you monster, how could you chop off her arm

[potent mason]

shes a fictional char so she wont feel pain

[safe falcon]

I actually have that IO figure

[dusky trail]

and well, it is a great sword after all

[shadow nebula]

i wanted that figure but missed out

[safe falcon]

I was gonna call it a claymore sword but it’s more of a buster blade

[safe falcon]

I usually get my things from Solaris Japan, right now I think they have a few pre owned once but you’d be paying a bit $350 - $400

[shadow nebula]

i order off of ami ami, its a litlle cheaper than solaris

[safe falcon]

I wanna get the Mia figure but it’s expensive and I think it’s exclusive to the mage preorder

Game*

[shadow nebula]

https://goodsmileshop.com/en/CATEGORY-ROOT/Scale-Figure/Mia-Karnstein/p/GSC_WD_02034 you missed out on the preorder window

[dusky trail]

meanwhile i just stocking up with bunny girls figurine....

can't help it, those pantyhose and fishnet just so satisfied to look at

[safe falcon]

I meant this Mia figure

[shadow nebula]

oh, thats preorder exlusive

exclusive*

[dusky trail]

if we don't have that hold mess with Briliant light then who know, we may have skin for them in the game someday =3=

[safe falcon]

Imma try getting HoF as close to my Male Saber alter and HoV

[shadow nebula]

I've always wanted one of sideshows dark souls and bloodborne statues but they are very expensive

[safe falcon]

I think you can see who my Female OC was inspired by

[shadow nebula]

I know that i know the character but my brain is fried lol

[plain bane]

How does this bg look? not really a bg artist but I tried my hand anyway. Stuf that isn't fully shaded is just because it's behind the char. I got lazy

[shadow nebula]

its looking good, I would remove half of the stars tho especially closer to the horizon

[plain bane]

Like.this?

[shadow nebula]

yeah

[plain bane]

For some reason I have 2 separate layers of stars

[shadow nebula]

i do that too, have layers for the most useless things

[dusky trail]

though with how the lightning on your Seele's look, the sun would have to be higher for that to work

[shadow nebula]

danielle wasn't the one drawing seele

[plain bane]

Maybe it's because I changed my picture

This is what I'm drawing

Still fixing up her head

[shadow nebula]

its looking good

[dusky trail]

=3=

then i would say move the sunset behind her

like she trying to selfy with sunset in the background too

[plain bane]

I'm just really trying to think of a shading style rn

I'll come back to the bg

[dusky trail]

just keep in mind where the back light gonna effect it

since putting sunset in the back would leave you a lot of shading in the front

have fun~

[plain bane]

Yeah

That was the point

Gonna be a hard thing to do

[dusky trail]

just be lazy like me and change the background into her room

[plain bane]

I won't back down wether it be the death of me or not

I worked too hard on that bg to scrap it

At least I have other stuff to fox before I shade

Her hands look wrong to me now I coloured the char in

[dusky trail]

well since you show the phone there, it certainly won't be a selfy anyway

[plain bane]

It's a placeholder

Till I can actually fix it

[safe falcon]

This was meant to be a quickie but I got lazy

[dusky trail]

still not decided on the outfit's color yet?

[safe falcon]

Yah

I actually started it on Bronyas birthday but I’m very lazy

[dusky trail]

meanwhile i never remember they birthday to actually draw it on time...

[safe falcon]

That’s why I have 9 uncompleted art works

I only know bronyas birthday and that’s because it’s 8 days before mine

[safe falcon]

It’s IO

[plain bane]

How does the hand look?

[dusky trail]

i would say the tip of her fingers are a bit bloated

just try sketch your finger out like that and compare to her

[plain bane]

Hands are hard to draw

I should consider doing a study on hands alone

[dusky trail]

and that is why my folder just filled with random hand shot i thought i may need

[grizzled moth]

its better to use illustrations as reference rather than shots from anime

[dusky trail]

nah, it is more like a habit of mine when i watch anime

can't help but taking screencap even though i may never use them

[plain bane]

Better some than none

[dusky trail]

but i do stock up on illustration too

[plain bane]

So maybe less detail around the fingers?

[dusky trail]

you could just simple flat out the tip so it look more straight

[plain bane]

Like this?

[dusky trail]

ya

[plain bane]

Aifht lemme fox it up

That's some typing

[dusky trail]

as for the palm detail, well it is optional

i usually just depend on shading instead of put detail on it

but try out how you want to do it and see if it work for you

[grave nymph]

oooo gochiusa pics

[dusky trail]

hah you got baited, it actually not gochuusa

she is from Comic girls and some of the chars there look quite like Gochuumon

like this pink Chino

good show, since it have a lot of stuff related to art

[plain bane]

Looking better now I think

[dusky trail]

oh ya just notice but her two ringer fingers look a bit too long on the... what is it call again?

well the middle of them look a bit too long

while the base is rather short in compare

so either length the base or cut the middle a bit

@plain bane like you can see in this case