art-discussion-and-wip

[hardy yew]

[scenic comet]

[scenic comet]

I like how the Bronya one is unique

[scenic comet]

Noice

I can see the improvement

[jaunty python]

im too tired for this

[scenic comet]

Burger

[lone sorrel]

AI chan wip

[timid vigil]

Kinda ruins the representation of the artwork

[scenic comet]

Got a new sketch pad. Altair (WIP)

[left siren]

It's already 11 pm and I'm tired so I'll finish refining this some other time

WAIT NO SHIT I ACCIDENTALLY DELETED THE PDF FILE WHILE CLOSING THE PROGRAM

Welp, guess I'll just paint on 1 layer next time

FUCK

This was a 4 hour progress

[oblique wing]

F

[scenic comet]

EPIC FAIL MOMENT

[lone wagon]

Thats why it's important to do a backup

[humble nova]

first msg here, but here's my very messy ei wip😭 i still have to fix alot of stuff HAHAHAHA

[echo zealot]

THE PAARODUS ARE SO CUTE <3

[worthy junco]

Absolutely gorgeous

[humble nova]

TYSMM🫶

and i finished it!

[echo zealot]

the highlets are ajweoirjojaskdjalksjd bro its so beautiful

🫶

[scenic comet]

Indeed

[dusky trail]

since it is bunny next year, maybe i should draw something with Bronia

[lyric iron]

Wip

[limpid haven]

very nice art what the hell happened I like it

[scenic comet]

What the F***

I think this will be funny

[solar bough]

do 3d model count as art

[craggy smelt]

ofc

Its like sculpting

But digital

[solar bough]

Aight

[lyric iron]

Ellie, ellie night fever~

[scenic comet]

Hah. It is funny

[scenic comet]

Ah yes.
Umm... Bottle.. Flask... Thing

[solar bough]

si

[verbal marten]

Anyways not me reading the discord about 2 weeks lmao

Anyways heres another one

Also I didnt work on this for 12 hours for nothing ok

[limpid haven]

hey there's sound coming from your art

[lethal forum]

Do you know how to draw hand ? i could never manage to do it.

[onyx breach]

you could if you'd watcj tutorials

[shadow nebula]

Use references when you don’t know how to draw something. It helps a lot and in the long run you’ll learn to draw from memory correctly

[scenic comet]

Fixed some things here and there. Now it's time to colour

[lethal forum]

Thank you

[scenic comet]

And remember to practice everyday.

It's the most important part

[left siren]

Not really necessary

Overpractice specially without supervision is a common way make mistakes a habit

[scenic comet]

True

But practice is still important

[left siren]

Whats important is to know and give your brain time to process rather than just go in without any major plans

[scenic comet]

Like doodling

Yeah it works

[lethal forum]

Well now with the holliday i had time to draw everyday.

[scenic comet]

Good.

Take it slow

Don't over do it

[shadow nebula]

Its a very person specific thing. I personally study every single day but that wont work for everyone. As long as you know what works for you and how the brain actually learns you’re good to study however long you want to

[onyx breach]

but then again, even if your brain know without enough practice your knowledge is still worthless, whats important is everytime you practice you take a step back and review your work and remember not to do the errors you made in this drawing, look for ways to make it better and expand your memory library by taking as many good references as you can

[scenic comet]

That's what I mean by " Don't over do it"

[onyx breach]

and like Sai said, it'll differ from each person, if youre a tryhard you may approach an intense way of learning while ppl who only draw casually can just practice from time to time depending if they really find investing time to learn for a casual hobby, worth it

[left siren]

It varies on the person yes but generally I don't recommend just practicing without any major goals

[dusky trail]

just go with your own pace

[left siren]

Like if your goal is just to draw every day to get good at drawing, that's not a very productive way to improve, you have to have a more specific goal atleast for that practice

Like improving on the hands or something

[onyx breach]

but isnt practice a term for doing something and trying to become better at what you do?

[shadow nebula]

Well at that point its not studying you’re just drawing randomly

[left siren]

Like I said, practicing everyday solely because you want to get good at drawing is not really a very good goal

Its more like you're hoping to just get good at some point

If one wants to really improve you need to gave a more specific goal in mind

[onyx breach]

ye but drawing randomly and practicing isnt the same, one take in the mistakes you make and slowly polishing your skills to be better and one is to just do the action repeatedly without learning from it

like a guy i knmow in pixiv whose been drawing for 9 years but cant draw shit for hands

and only knows 1 facial expression

[left siren]

That goes under the 2nd thing I said where you need to have a more specific goal

Cuz if that's how one has to improve, it's a really slow process and it invites habits that'll turn out bad on the long run

You're bound to put effort at some point so why not do it early

[lyric iron]

Tried to expirement with lightning since I really struggled with my anatomy today, tips are really appriecated

[onyx breach]

its unfortunate that not everyone has the luxury to sit on the chair and spend hrs to learn

[left siren]

Subscattering

[lyric iron]

Thank you

[left siren]

Its this thing basically

It looks hard but its actually as simple as just slapping the color on

[shadow nebula]

Its looking pretty good but the main thing i’d recommend is to move the eyes further apart. You should have the width of an eye between both. Currently they’re a little too close

[left siren]

Altho they're not as intense as they should be like this in your art

Subscattering happens subtly on where the lighting and the shadows meet

[lyric iron]

Started taking refrence from irl pictures and it’s pretty tough to get it right

[left siren]

I also suggest adding a secondary light source that isn't as intense as the main one to add som dynamics in your piece

[lyric iron]

But tysm for the advice

[lyric iron]

Then again i think no one can do anatomy absolutely perfect tbh

[scenic comet]

Yes.

[left siren]

truth be told, if you actually follow like an accurate anatomy, your figure will look disfigured

[lyric iron]

Yea this

To make it look pleasant to the eye is already difficult

[left siren]

HOLY SHIT

I RECOVERED IT

This was a piece from my old PC and I forgot I saved it in cloud

1 year ago

[lyric pumice]

heres some art i made in school today, its a bit wonky

my first time experimenting w this style

[left siren]

Daz cool but I suggest not shading with pure black

Or coloring with pure black at all

[shadow nebula]

Thats not the best advice. Certain art styles benefit from using black and depending on how dark your painting is you will end up using black for shading the darker you go

[left siren]

Rarely the case but certainly not in a vibrant setting like this, it removes certain details

[shadow nebula]

To each their own but they didn't ask for a critique so its best not to give one.

[left siren]

I was giving a suggestion

[shadow nebula]

that they didn't ask for

[left siren]

You don't need to ask for suggestions

Critique goes way in depth

[shadow nebula]

and you shouldn't give them if they didn't ask

[left siren]

What if they need it?

[shadow nebula]

doesn't matter, you're being rude

[left siren]

Youre only seeing it that way

Infact you're actually making it look like that

[shadow nebula]

no, its art etiquette

[left siren]

From suggesting not to use pure black 💀

It's not even a rude comment

I even said its cool

[shadow nebula]

that doesn't matter. They didn't ask for opinions or suggestions.

[left siren]

^

There's no harm in giving suggestions

Especially something like this

[shadow nebula]

there is. They may not like, it can hurt their feelings, even put them off from posting their work

[left siren]

It was literally light hearted, you're the one making it look bad 💀

"That's cool but I suggest not using pure black"

[shadow nebula]

as a university art student, we are thought how to give critiques. This is not how you do it

[left siren]

Again, not giving one

Critiques goes more in depth than this

[shadow nebula]

its doesn't have to go more in-depth. In can be a simple sentence like what you said.

[left siren]

If I were to critique something, I'd include a lot other factors

And again you're the one making it look bad, I just gave a suggestion

I'm not even enforcing it

[lyric iron]

Nvm i like this one better

[onyx breach]

ah yes, Saiphaera showing western stereotype values over here, very sensitive and loves to get offended over someone else's behalf when the one they're defending dont give a damn about it 👏

[shadow nebula]

considering that the art community as a whole has spoken out against this for years now, regardless of location, its not. Its also not good to give wrong tiktok critiques to others.

[pulsar veldt]

Pretty sure it’s good etiquette to not give suggestions or critique unless the creator has specifically asked for it or an opinion, even if the suggestion isn’t that offensive.

Regardless of how the creator feels, generally don’t do something if it has the potential to offend someone. I remember a random stranger commenting on my art and how the skin looked like fake tan (it did to be honest) but I was pretty annoyed they said that.

[dusky trail]

in short, you will never know what may trigger people so may as well not talking at all

heck, we even have some case of people got mad over you giving advice to someone actually asking for it because they didn't notice the owner asking for advice

[scenic comet]

Yes there is one person here. They are always trying to fight me. I don't even talk to them.

I just ignore

[pulsar veldt]

Sketch

[lyric iron]

I really like the dress

[pulsar veldt]

Thanks

[scenic comet]

wow is that?

[pulsar veldt]

wdym?

[scenic comet]

my bad. i wanted to ask who is that

[pulsar veldt]

just an oc/custom design made by me

[scenic comet]

Cool

[lunar sonnet]

Need help with hands (And basically all the other anatomy)

[long tangle]

Why can’t i light this lmao

[left siren]

People are too sensitive nowadays, I don't care if other people thinks this statement is insensitive or whatever, it's straight facts. They let little things like these interfere with their passion and pursue of the crafts and treat it negatively. They're essentially denying the help they're getting, but of course they can choose to ignore this but they don't have to be like "Stop judging me" rather than "Thanks for the suggestion I'll keep that in mind". Now there are trolls out there that deliberately judges people's work and that's the kind of people you should be denying. Genuine people who wants to help gets dragged in this bullshitery. Of you ask me in this perspective, the artist aren't the victims here. What they choose to feel or do with that information is up to the artists, they need to learn that subtle stuff like this isn't really worth treating it like it's their reason to throw their entire career. It's basically equivalent to giving someone some money and they got offended by it.

[onyx breach]

...more like just western ppl lol, too afraid to get cancelled or something, its laughable

[lunar sonnet]

Tried to recreate the model to see if I could fix the proportions. Any suggestions or critiques so I can get this thing clean before moving onto details?

[pulsar veldt]

You must be rather sensitive yourself if you wrote a whole essay because someone told you to have good etiquette and not be rude

Also it’s not always help either

Saying an artwork is bad isn’t going to help anybody. Not saying that you said their artwork was bad but not everyone wants your help either unless they have specifically asked for it

[left siren]

I'm stating facts not sensitivity

[pulsar veldt]

All I’m saying is that don’t give suggestions or critique unless they asked for it

[left siren]

You completely missed the entire situation then, it's not about wanting help, I gave them something that can help them, what they do with it is up to them

[pulsar veldt]

If you upset them with your suggestion would you apologise?

[left siren]

Sure if they feel like it

But they're given 3 options

Accept it, ignore it, hate on it for subtle reason

[pulsar veldt]

Feelings are valid

Emotions exist

[left siren]

The 3rd one isn't very "etiquette" if you ask me but I wont deny if they do

[pulsar veldt]

They’re not hating

[left siren]

It's an example

And these are yoyr reactions not the receiver

[pulsar veldt]

If they hate then they’re also in the wrong

I know

But I am stating possible scenarios

[left siren]

Ya'll basically offended on someone who hasn't even replied yet

And I'm the bad guy here

[pulsar veldt]

I’m not offended, I’m just stating

If you get blasted by someone for giving an unwanted suggestion/critique then it will be your fault

[left siren]

Then theres no reason to correct me then, what I did wasn't wrong and you said it yourself, if they get offended then they're in the wrong

I gave them something helpful, if they feel offended about that, thats their decision

[dire ruin]

(( okay i don't really wanna get involved in this but just saying, maybe you guys can just settle this w/ a mod? ))

[pulsar veldt]

I mean sure but idk how to

[left siren]

Not necessary

[pulsar veldt]

It’s clogging up the whole channel which is unnecessary

[left siren]

Still is still technically art discussion

[dire ruin]

well just cuz this doesn't seem to rly be going anywhere

[dire ruin]

yeah this ^^

only seems tangentially related to art at this point

[left siren]

It's a discussion tho

[pulsar veldt]

Moreover etiquette and sensibility rather than art though

[dire ruin]

i will also just. ^^^^^^

[dire ruin]

YES. you get me

[lunar sonnet]

Still waiting for feedback on this...

[left siren]

Overall the main problem I see is the back being too big

[pulsar veldt]

Is it alright I annotate on it with red lines to help?

[lunar sonnet]

sure

[left siren]

I'm at a public transport right now so I can't make any examples

[lunar sonnet]

Ah, I think I see it, thanks

Then would this be better?

[hardy yew]

The biggest thing I notice is that the right arm looks almost like an afterthought, its a bit too small and connects weirdly with the torso on the underside. This is less likely a problem with the arm, and more of a problem with the back being so thick in comparison. If its alright with you i could mark what i mean, but i think pkp might be doing it already so I'll wait to see Aside from that, the anatomy of the body is quite good and your perspective is very nice

overall you did pretty good

[left siren]

Thats alright, Forshortening isn't exactly the easiest thing to do

Even experienced artist have a hard time on it

[hardy yew]

yeah, especially on joints. I wouldnt clock it even if it stays as it is

[lunar sonnet]

Hm, trying to look for references on the underarm

But most of the poses in this manner I find are clothed. Anybody got more gravure shots of this pose?

[pulsar veldt]

@lunar sonnet hands are fine but I would recommend lowering the breasts and making the back smaller, I’m not good at anatomy so don’t trust my advice too much

[left siren]

Try thinking of a posture or gesture that has the same kind of posture

And search that

[lunar sonnet]

Hm, feels like the breasts need to be that high though, if I draw this line.

[pulsar veldt]

Generally depends on perspective though

[lunar sonnet]

Her left arm definitely feels like an afterthought though. Should I recede it back a bit maybe?

[left siren]

Maybe scale it up a bit more and see how that works

[pulsar veldt]

@lunar sonnet the right arm’s length will depend on how forward/backward it is, if the elbow is more behind it will be shorter but as it gets closer it will be longer

Not the whole arm just the part behind the elbow

Like the upper arm

[pulsar veldt]

In Chinese culture, it’s important to be polite. Also you only do what’s asked of you, not what’s not asked of you.

If you want to do something, ask for permission.

@lunar sonnet I tried making the lower arm longer, what do you think?

The blue lines (not the one from your sketch) is to show where the torso and arm connects

[onyx breach]

You must be a mindless puppet then...did your owner asked you to reply to me as well? He must be very polite, give him my regards.

[pulsar veldt]

That’s what Chinese culture is like though, asking for permission and doing what you’ve been asked to, like not disobeying parents. Are you implying that all people that have been raised in Chinese culture are mindless puppets lol?

What I’m saying no matter the culture or if it’s western, etiquette matters

[bleak grotto]

constructive criticism vs criticism vs critique guys

[lunar sonnet]

A bit off topic from all of you but I hate it when I've drawn in the wrong layer and now I've done too much progress and really don't want to restart...

[verbal marten]

Uh me who's malaysian and got asian parents I dont think its that bad lmao idk maybe I'm used to it

wip and the face is cracking me up

[lunar sonnet]

I can see the aranara face on him already

[verbal marten]

Help omg the aranara face I didnt even see that

[left siren]

.__.

[lunar sonnet]

Update on this, afraid to start with the hands

[dusky trail]

the way you put her rib so high up and wide there, it make her head look bigger than her whole body

and cant really tell what kind of hat you going for but it should covered part of the head if it has hollow side

[lunar sonnet]

Like this then?

[dusky trail]

you could tilt it slightly since that is the angle her head is in

and i also recommended to scale the head down a bit and reduce the back side there

scale it down and give her some room for more neck would balance it out better

[verbal marten]

Is it just me or is the necc kinda weird too

[dusky trail]

well i didn't draw anything there and just scale down the head after all

so there is no neck there in the first place

[lunar sonnet]

This should have been mentioned while I was still on the skeleton.

It'll be much harder to make that adjustment now that all the details have been drawn out

[dusky trail]

haha~ the chat was light up for a good while there so some doesn't notice your question after all

[lunar sonnet]

The ones who were in that convo did give input tho

Just not on the neck

Mostly on the arm and breast positioning

[dusky trail]

i think the breast is fine enough, it just her right breast is smaller than her left

but since you gonna have her wear jacket and covered most of it anyway

so the biggest problem i can see is just the head became too big

[lunar sonnet]

Like this then?

Now I kinda wanna just keep the hat flying for emote purposes

[dusky trail]

you could always shrink down the hat to turn it into head's accessory

[lunar sonnet]

I did, I was just considering whether I should make the hat actually flying

I wanted to stuff a bunch of butterfly motifs in the costume, maybe could attach a few wings and have it fly around or something

[dusky trail]

you could always make it like there a strong wind and her hat, hair, clothe is blowing away

[lunar sonnet]

If her hat was being blown I'd have to change her gesture to hang on to her hat.

Wind is good though

I was thinking for her hair and clothes

Yeah, wind

[verbal marten]

I used lasso cropping at first but I have to redraw the details every time now I use liquify

[pulsar veldt]

Sorry for not giving more information, I thought that you would notice the differences in the annotations I sent in the chat

[pulsar veldt]

I’m not saying it’s bad though and I don’t mind it either

[pulsar veldt]

You should attach helicopter blades to it /j
That sounds like a good idea and it’d be nice decoration

[bleak grotto]

pardou mibi

[swift egret]

how 2 draw gud

[lunar sonnet]

I wish I knew

Something something proportions

[lunar sonnet]

I see some difference now that I look at it again but the difference seemed so small it wouldn't register if I didn't know what I was looking for.

[dusky trail]

well have a reference picture you can use to compare is also help

[scenic comet]

Learn basic anatomy and proportions. Then set a goal and practice to achieve that goal. And slowly but surely you will get good

[dusky trail]

swimsuit or bodysuit pic that let you see the body clearly is always good as reference

so don't be shy on using reference photo or even your own body until you got used to it

[humble nova]

i accidentally drew a full draft rather than just a 'doodle' 😭

[swift egret]

thx

[verbal marten]

Ass shit man

[scenic comet]

Why. It looks good

[left siren]

Ah yes, "Accidentally"

[lyric iron]

Bronya sketch

[scenic comet]

Bruhnya the bully

[lyric iron]

Don’t mess with bruhnya when she’s mad

[pulsar veldt]

Always bullying kiana

[lyric iron]

Ngl im glad this channel is nice

[humble nova]

i s w EAR it was an accident WHAHAHAH

[lyric iron]

Honestly it could’ve been much worse

Tips are welcome ofc

[dusky trail]

try a gradient background i guess?

[lyric iron]

Does the head connect well to the body?

Maybe I’ve been staring at the drawing for too long

[dusky trail]

it likely because you use much thicker line for the neck than anything on the head that it looks off to you

[lyric iron]

Okay thank you

[dusky trail]

if you add a thicker line on the top of her head combine with darker background, you may have more matching feel with the rest of her body

[white girder]

elysia nurse wip

[lyric iron]

Very cute

[white girder]

what color should her nurse outfit be

[dusky trail]

well it is a nurse so it just either white or slight pink anyway

[pulsar veldt]

Mostly white but with some purple/pink/black to compliment

[craggy smelt]

green

with white gloves

and a plague mask

[tender night]

mio u r my fav artist here rn, love ur style sm

[lyric iron]

Thank you so much that means a lot to me

[pulsar veldt]

Wip

Probably gonna make the shadows on the skin darker

[lethal forum]

I decide to redraw a drawing that is 3 month old

[verbal marten]

I'm so done lmao

[scenic comet]

Where is the old one?

[lethal forum]

There is

[scenic comet]

Is the the girl form the Quintuplets anime

[lethal forum]

yes nino i think that's her name

[scenic comet]

Color the new one and then we can see the progress

Honestly the old one looks good too

[lyric iron]

It’s always really fun to see people improve on their art

[scenic comet]

Exactly.

[solar bough]

miss lookalike

[lethal forum]

Finish

[lyric iron]

Pardo sketch that I’ll finish tomorrow, advice is welcome im trying new eye styles since same face syndrome

[scenic comet]

Nice

[dusky trail]

you may want to change the collarbone then

since if you map it, the collarbone is completely off side compare to the head and torso

[lyric iron]

Thank you

[zinc crown]

Please don't give unsolicited critique/commentary/suggestions unless asked. This has been an unspoken rule in this channel for a while but since some people seem to be confused about it we're making it official from now on.

It doesn't matter the tone or intentions of it, if they didn't ask for it please don't do it, we will take action in these cases. Report any of them via modmail as well.

[pulsar veldt]

You are on an art rampage, looks nice

[lunar sonnet]

trying to make some last checks before going to lineart.

P.S. If anyone mentions the mouth I already fixed it right after taking this pic

[round copper]

Anything wrong with the anatomy?

Redrawing a older drawing of mine

[lunar sonnet]

Maybe make the shoulder twist a bit?

Her left arm propping on the hip could be a bit higher, and then the right hip would move up to compensate.

[round copper]

alright ty i; ll try that

[dusky trail]

the small torso make the neck feel super stretchy

you may want to increase the length of her legs as well since her arm and leg almost have the same length there

[round copper]

aa didnt notice that, i put a scarf on her later so i hope that hides the long neck

Does this look better?

[dusky trail]

i would go for slightly bigger thighs to keep the balance with her upper body

and well, thigh with more curvy line is more attractive over all anyway

it also help avoiding the shoulder feel too wide if you use small thigh

right now there is a huge gap between her upper and lower body that if you cut in between, it looks like it part of different picture than from the same one

[lunar sonnet]

I thought this might be the case but seeing my own drawing's neck issues I wasn't sure if my judgement was right.

[dusky trail]

it more or less because you don't give much room for the lower body, the belt also draw a line to make it even easier to compare between the upper and lower torso

you can see it is a bit more balance this way

also, for that kind of pose, you can go for one leg slightly far out like this since the way you draw make her upper body is a bit tilted there

so with straight legs, it gave off a feeling she may fall down any second

far apart like this give you a more stable pose as well

[round copper]

Thank you so much for all the advice 🙏 I'll rework the legs in a bit

[dusky trail]

it is a common problem a lot of people have when they start out since you can't gauge the length just yet

[lunar sonnet]

I've been starting out for 7 years then apparently

[dusky trail]

there are thing you may not notice yourself without compare it to other stuff~

during my time when i still draw on sketch book, it certainly feel a lot weird now that i look back since i have no one to really compare it to

specially when to other people not into draw themself, even when your drawing is really basic, they will still praise you anyway

it just easier to improve when you have something to compare yourself to

[lyric iron]

Thank you so much

[round copper]

I feel like I made the legs too large for the body but idk

[lunar sonnet]

I might be tripping but I feel like the chest area should be wider, as it houses the rib cage as well as the breasts

[round copper]

Yea I feel so too but I did a mistake and lined it in pen I'll try to fix it somehow tho

[echo zealot]

motivation is being lost

I CANT man i feel like something is missing

its not finished but it just looks weird

[lunar sonnet]

Gonna need some input on these curls

[bleak grotto]

i think they look good

[lunar sonnet]

The collarbone slants too far down.
The umbrella arm slants too much.
The torso curves are a bit strangely placed.
The flower hairpins need attention.
The placement of her hair feels flat
Her eyes aren't symmetrical.
No mouth.
Frills need to pop in and out more.
Dress details need a different color in order to stand out from the main color.
Background work.

Idk, I'm just spitballing.

[bleak grotto]

id also work on perspective

[lunar sonnet]

This. Put a horizon line around her eye level, pick a vanishing point along that, then put down those guide lines.

[echo zealot]

oh jesus thanks

maybe i should stick to just simple portraits next time

[lunar sonnet]

Eh, I'd say don't take all of that advice at once.

Work upwards, make those simple portraits and maybe use one or two of those bullets at a time.

[echo zealot]

ok thank u guys

[verbal marten]

I'd say dont try to work on something really complicated unless you're really confident you can do so

Work on the more easy stuff before tackling the big boss :TeriCube:

[echo zealot]

[verbal marten]

Why does doesnt tericube

[echo zealot]

yeah sorry i went a little ambitious lol

idk i was bored and wanted to draw something

[bleak grotto]

lol teri cube didnt work

[echo zealot]

[echo zealot]

also wydm by this, sorry i kinda dont understand

[bleak grotto]

the bg looks flat compared to the person, also it is angled weirdly

[verbal marten]

You can try to look at more art to find what kind of artstyle you really like

[echo zealot]

icic

[verbal marten]

And then 临摹 (idk how to english) that artist to get better

I mean it's how I do it anyway

[bleak grotto]

everyone starts somewhere, i used to draw like that

[echo zealot]

study the aritst?

[verbal marten]

Yeah

That's how I do it anyway

[echo zealot]

man ive been drawing for like how long now

two years iirc

[bleak grotto]

i used to watch speed paints on youtube

[echo zealot]

oh yeah that maybe can help

[bleak grotto]

ive been drawing for 6-7 years

[verbal marten]

In my case I'm trying to learn mika pikazo or LAM

[echo zealot]

damn das epic

oreo how long have u been drawing

[verbal marten]

I really like the pop graphic design

[verbal marten]

Since a kid honestly

But I honestly havent tried the techniques until covid started

[echo zealot]

oh wow das long

[bleak grotto]

i still struggle with backgrounds and perspective

[echo zealot]

doesnt everybody

[bleak grotto]

yeah

[verbal marten]

Same here

[echo zealot]

ok maybe i should stick to the basics next time and just work on the little stuff

[verbal marten]

Yeah that's what I'd do

[bleak grotto]

i need to work on ambient lighting and shading too

[verbal marten]

I'm basically allergic to flipping the canvas

[echo zealot]

LOL

[bleak grotto]

lmao

[verbal marten]

I cant flip the canvas I can literally only draw on one side

[echo zealot]

bro how do flip an irl canvas tho

[bleak grotto]

i sometimes flip the canvas like to see if the face is akward

[verbal marten]

You can

[bleak grotto]

flip it over and put it in light

[verbal marten]

You actually just flip it

Like flip to the back

[echo zealot]

yeah

[verbal marten]

On one note I have to girnd another 3 art this year

Kill me

Oc3's Christmas art, oc3's bday art on 31st, and fucking new years with all 3 ocs

Die

[bleak grotto]

my shading is like pulling a wild card, its never the same every time

[echo zealot]

goddamn that elyisa one

[bleak grotto]

took me 13hrs in total

[echo zealot]

damn its beautiful 😭

it aint just about how good it looks i care about how long u put into it

[verbal marten]

You can try subscattering

[bleak grotto]

its just me not being able to find a good shading technique

i do kinda like how i did elysias tho

[verbal marten]

I cant do night light too

But this

[bleak grotto]

ooo

[verbal marten]

Subscattering can make light more dynamic and make light feel more a bit harsher

Light sticks out better if the shadow is more harsher too

[bleak grotto]

i had a little fun doing texture on mobius lol

[verbal marten]

I cant do honkai chars their design is just too goddamn complicated

[bleak grotto]

same, it took forever for both and it was painful

i miss the times where i shaded like this for furries, would always hurt my wrist from pressing too hard

[verbal marten]

Bruh I had a weird shading style that I still like but I cant replicate it anymore

Like this was early 2022

And now I'm using the multiply blend mode to do the shading

Which is sometimes

Bland asf

And can sometimes actually look good imo

[bleak grotto]

that looks pretty

[lunar sonnet]

Use a mirror

[echo zealot]

damn this is so true

ok thank u guys so much 🫶

[lunar sonnet]

Well you see that's the neat part: I start with something not too simple but not too complicated. Then I just get ideas and start adding shit and before I know it-

[dusky trail]

the body is a lot more balance now and you don't have to worry about the chest that much, it is well know for art to have "where is her inner~~" so artist can draw however

though you may want to make the breast more round

some artist like to draw the torso long and thin

some like to draw it with more hourglass with extremely thin waist like One Piece

as long you keep in mind the ratio of the body so one part isn't too big or too small in compare, just go for how you like it to be

[craggy smelt]

picture then go to gallery then flip it there

[dusky trail]

just shine a light in front then look at it from the back

[worthy junco]

I had no idea I could render skinnn like thisssss absolutely juicy

[white girder]

finished it

[south hearth]

Sketches from a project I finished not long ago and the reference I used

[scenic comet]

Nice details

[south hearth]

Thanks!

[solar bough]

skeleton hands

[verbal marten]

The greatest sketch you'll ever see

[scenic comet]

Doesn't look that bad. Could be worse

[verbal marten]

Ikr

[scenic comet]

Yeah

[brave turret]

I need some feedback and i also have no idea whether I should draw her original outfit or design a random one

[sharp gulch]

design a simpler version of her clothes

honkai outfits r so confusinggg

[brave turret]

True

[scenic comet]

u can try making changes in her original outfit.

[scenic comet]

Damn. That's sick

[tacit delta]

😆

[brave turret]

That would be a lot easier for me thx

[grave nymph]

can someone point out anatomy issues?

the pose feels so rigid

for some reason

[scenic comet]

@dusky trail

do your thing

[dusky trail]

=3=

[grave nymph]

it's been a while sensei :"D

[dusky trail]

arm too short, and the crotch part is to narrow, cause the torso to feel short

[grave nymph]

ohh

both arms?

the right arm has that angle thing going on

[dusky trail]

right arm should be fine

[grave nymph]

so it kinda looks short if it's just, sticks and circles

[grave nymph]

o

so I guess just lengthen torso and adjust the crotch area huh

thanke

[dusky trail]

well it more like extend the part between the waist and crotch

otherwise, the upper body will look too long in compare

[grave nymph]

o

I was using this as the reference

but I can't get it right for some reason

[dusky trail]

ez enough

[scenic comet]

bro

i am speechless

[dusky trail]

a more box like for the crotch area would be easier to adjust the legs rather than just a triangle

[grave nymph]

ohhhh

I kinda get it now

[dusky trail]

and you can see the chest,stomach,crotch i using a similar length box as well

[grave nymph]

I should study how the hips work again

and the torso too

I might be able to understand where I went wrong that way

[dusky trail]

buy yourself a figma, put it up together may give you some idea

[grave nymph]

right

RIGHT

I HAVE THE DOLL THING YET I’M NOT EVEN USING IT

[grave nymph]

don’t ask about where the hands are

[dusky trail]

at least buy a pretty girl one

[grave nymph]

well hey

it’s better than this one

[grave nymph]

the one dollar doll

where the joints aren’t even flexible

[dusky trail]

what have you done to his crotch

[grave nymph]

[dusky trail]

why is there a weird mark there

[grave nymph]

[dusky trail]

model kit one just more fun for me to use~ not only you put them together part by part but also easier to stare at for pose than regular plain doll

[left siren]

I dont like this honestly

I mean sure it provides the basic proportions and practically anything you need for a model

But tis too simple

I'd prefer something that'll give me more definition on the anatomy

[hardy yew]

[past sand]

I don't know if it's okay but
Does polymer clay figurine fit in this channel?

[zinc crown]

Absolutely

[past sand]

Oh great!
Well, I made an elf Elysia one ! I painted the details on the cape

I know I forgot her wings- and also to make a stand

[zinc crown]

That's so cute, what kind of clay did you use?

[solar bough]

IDK

maybe gonna make a sword next

[oblique wing]

I thought that was a train at first

[dusky trail]

look more like a light sable handle to me

[past sand]

Thank you! I used polymer clay, Fimo and non brand one

[scenic comet]

You have some serious skill

[scenic comet]

Umm...
Pipe...hose.. thing

[solar bough]

idk how to explain

[round copper]

I'm trying to post a drawing but discord keeps thinking it's nsfw and idk which part to censor for it to send

[solar bough]

dam

i tried to post walter and same thing happen

[round copper]

Finally sent

Practicing posing by drawing makima, advice is appreciated

[dusky trail]

normal for the most part but you may want to change the feet of her right leg

the way you put the leg, it looks like her right leg is broken rather than crossed her leg

you can see Teriteri's legs for reference

but you can see her feet point ahead while your just bend it side way

[vocal basalt]

I'm down Week 2 of learning what every blender tool/function/button does.

Does anyone have good anime potatohead(alien head)refference I could use for practice? Thanks.

[round copper]

Like this then?

Or do I point it more upwards like the Teri pic

[dusky trail]

yes, you may want to rise her right leg a bit more like with Teri's case too

since you doing the front angle, leave the leg like that look like it digging in her other leg real hard there

that also will reduce the angle of the leg so it won't look too far away too

well just try to cross your own legs and see how it feel

you will see her feet is way too far away in compare then

[round copper]

Could I DM you the drawing? DC is saying it's nsfw again

[dusky trail]

lol, sure

[sick portal]

👍

[celest notch]

he got drawn so goofy, justice for my man 😭

[whole cloak]

WoF fan I see
I was into it a few years back, darkstalker looks nice

does anyone have a ref for the arm that’s up? Particularly the cloth folds

[shadow nebula]

if you look up genshin fashion archive you'll find the models of all characters including him

[bleak grotto]

ahhh i wish i knew how to render that well

[split pagoda]

Blood warning

[molten elm]

HELP

[split pagoda]

u saw nothing

i had tto download it

but it worked at least

[edgy mauve]

haha hair wip

[scenic comet]

Gorgeous

[nocturne tiger]

[echo zealot]

damn nice posing

[scenic comet]

Send it in #honkai-fan-art too

[echo zealot]

tried a diff medium today

[scenic comet]

Is this your your first time. Cuz it doesn't look like your first time

[echo zealot]

ive used watercolor and chalk before, but not together

so, kinda?

[scenic comet]

[echo zealot]

[left siren]

Jesus christ it took me an hour to configure photoshop's set up to my liking and majority of the time spent was just me trying to find the color wheel

And its still clunky

[onyx breach]

making the ui smaller might help give you a bigger wotkspace as well

or are you working on a lower res screen?

[left siren]

its around 6000 by 8500 pixes

my current device cant handle anymore than tat

its already lagging so bad

Ima go rest now, its 10 pm here

The lighting and shades are just placeholders for now

I might actually consider changing the outfit's color

Red isn't exactly my most comfortable color

[verbal marten]

Okay its 11pm rn help

wait wtf this only took almost 4 hours

Excuse me

[lyric iron]

I really like the way you color

[scenic comet]

"only"

[verbal marten]

Dude I take up to 8 to 12 hours for the most part

The shorter ones are 6 hours

This one ain't even 4 hours i

[pulsar veldt]

How does your device not lag?

I only use around 3500 x 4600

Also you’re using your computer to draw, I don’t understand how people can draw with a mouse ‘cause it’s so difficult

[left siren]

It is lagging

[pulsar veldt]

Oh

Maybe you should make it smaller?

[left siren]

I dont really know if its the layers or was it because I was running it for hours straight

[pulsar veldt]

I’d avoid any like resizing tools when possible

When using a canvas that big and your device is lagging

I did try a 8000 x 8000 canvas once but it kept crashing probably because of the resizing and lasso tool

Anyways, nice ellie art

[left siren]

Its lagging and the sceen color aint right so I can't accurately color stuff

It appears more bland when I see it on the screen than how it actually is

[pulsar veldt]

Maybe it’s just to do with brightness

Also I’ve noticed when you post some art on discord it may appear slightly desaturated until you click on it

[left siren]

Nah it's the screen itself

I didn't have this problem in the previous PC

[pulsar veldt]

Hmmmm

[left siren]

Just a case of cheap devices

Thats not really made for these kind of stuff

[pulsar veldt]

I guess

[left siren]

Atleast it can run photoshop decently

[pulsar veldt]

Most laptops aren’t really made for drawing I guess

I use my phone for drawing and I’ve also noticed that when I paint over a colour with another colour that has lowered opacity then I try to colour pick or eye drop it it’s not accurate

But that’s probably an issue with the software itself that I use

[left siren]

No thats actually just color plinking done wrong

When you lower the opacity of something to make it blend with another color and try to eyedrop it

It picks the already blended color not the orginal color you used to blend

And if you're coloring in the same blendmode/ reduced opacity layer, the new color is gonna get affected which results to a different tone than before

A lot of artist actually barely notice this mistake and I'm pretty guilty about it and it is one of the least noticeable errors

[left siren]

This for example

Its on lowered opacity

But then if you try to pick it, it's a different color cuz itz already blended

Then if you try to color on the same blend mode layer it's gonna be inaccurate if you're using the newly picked color

[lyric iron]

Drawing with a mouse seems impossible

I have a drawing tablet to attach to my laptop but im way too attached to ibispaint

[left siren]

That's why its useful to have these pallets on the side containing the original colors so you dont have to manually pick them again in the color wheel

It serves as your color picked history and most art programs has "Swatches" windows which is just a bunch of individual pallets on tiny boxes

[left siren]

Its actually pretty doable

Mouse drawing techniques mostly just uses shape tools and the fill tool

[lyric iron]

[left siren]

Also what makes you think art in PC is done with a Mouse

[lyric iron]

I really should attach my drawing tablet to my laptop again

I did improve a bunch since then so maybe it’ll be easier

[left siren]

There's a PC version og ibispaint

The free version is pretty cope compared to the free version in Android

The paid version works pretty much the same
You just have more canvas area

[lyric iron]

Hmm kind of lame you have to pay for the full ver on pc but maybe it’ll be worth it

[left siren]

No, if you have an IPad just pirate ibispaint there

[lyric iron]

Do you have any other recommendations for pc art programs?

[left siren]

Medibang
Krita
Sketch (I don't really recommend this one)

[lyric iron]

I do remember having a pirated ver of sai2 but wasn’t completely comfortable with that one

[left siren]

For the paid ones most people use Clip Studio for their art

Adobe Illustor apparently isn't bad

Photoshop is actually the least recommended out of the paid version

Paint tool Sai idk tbh I don't really know much about it

[verbal marten]

When I had my laptop i tried photoshop out and I was overwhelmed to say the least

[left siren]

It's not really worth it

[verbal marten]

It was my bros so it already had photoshop

At least I didnt pay for it lmao

[left siren]

Photoshop is a good program but it's not made for art

[lyric iron]

I think i have clip studio?

[verbal marten]

Tried krita out and it's a lot better

[left siren]

I mean you can still make some good art in there but Photoshop is mostly used for refinement and editing art pieces

[verbal marten]

But I'm too used to my brushes in ibis

[lyric iron]

I think i got it as extra for purchasing that drawing tablet

[verbal marten]

Paint sai is

Good(?

[worthy junco]

I used fire alpaca in the past but isn't it just the same as medibang or smth

[verbal marten]

I used fire alpaca too

And I legit google searched, "art program jaiden animation used" help

[left siren]

The only thing Ibispaint has an advantage to most free programs is

1. A wide variety of brushes that you'd end up not using

2. It's Manga making capabilities, such as you can paint with screentones rather than apply them which is a really useful feature to have

3. A bunch of filters which you'd also not end up using

[worthy junco]

From what I've heard paint tool sai is pretty light on ram so you can work on much bigger artworks with a less powerful PC and avoid lagging or crashing

Sai 2 also has a recovery mode

[verbal marten]

All my brushes were qr codes lmao

And somehow that was perfect for my artstyle

[left siren]

Idk much about Sai, I've seen some people talking about it positively but most of the arts prefer using Clip Studio

[verbal marten]

they're both paid

[left siren]

I know

[verbal marten]

I'd just rather use csp

[left siren]

Also clip studio has vector Art iirc

[verbal marten]

Also my eyes were attacked when everything was literally white

[worthy junco]

I'm an ibis paint user and I love it too

Then again its like the only drawing app I've used on ipad

[verbal marten]

Wtf is vector art

[verbal marten]

I only draw on ibis paint with my phone

[left siren]

It's basically art using math equations rather than pixels

[verbal marten]

I tested my lineart pen with my friends tablet

Did not work as well

[left siren]

You don't really calculate shit, you just do a stroke and let the program calculate it for you

[verbal marten]

[left siren]

The advantage of vector art is no matter how much you zoom in, you won't see a single pixel

[verbal marten]

Oh damn

[left siren]

Vector art also makes it possible to alter an already existing stroke like its thickness cuz its done with math equations, so basically you just slide some sliders and the program will recalculate it so it can alter the form of the line

[worthy junco]

Also has anyone used sketchbook the app on ipad

I'm an ibis paint loyalist but still curious

[left siren]

Don't bother tbh

[lyric iron]

Same here

[left siren]

Ibispaint is the best android art program there is

[lyric iron]

I think ibis is the best art app for mobile users

Yes that

[verbal marten]

I can vouch

[left siren]

Medibang has a mobile version but it has a complicated set up

Ibispaint is basically made for mobile while having the same performance as pc programs atleast for the basic stuff

[lyric iron]

One of my biggest con of pc art programs is that at first im a little overwhelmed by everything

[left siren]

Mine was just getting used to drawing on the screen without looking at where my pen goes physically

It took me 3 hours to draw a simple anime head on my first try

[lyric iron]

Yea i think i started out with a tablet like that too

[verbal marten]

I'm so lazy with pc art lmao

Like

[lyric iron]

Wacom intuos M iirc

[verbal marten]

I gotta boot up my pc, plug all shit with the drawing tablet

And then get the pen

At that point I already forgot wtf I was supposed to draw

[left siren]

Theres also pen displays which are probly the most superior form of an art device

[lyric iron]

Then a few years later i bought a more “advanced(?)” drawing tablet where it shows it all on the tablet it self

[verbal marten]

And then because my drawing tablet also connects the screen

[lyric iron]

But haven’t done anything with it for maybe a year or so since art block was strong

[worthy junco]

Same tbh it took me months to figure out that ibis had filters

Months

[verbal marten]

It doesn't have blue light mode

So my eyes are just dying

[left siren]

Pen display

Pen tablet

[lyric iron]

The pen display i have at the moment is from xp pen i think

[verbal marten]

AYO SAME

[lyric iron]

Really should start making art on that thing i loved it

But you need a bunch of cables to set it up

[left siren]

Although the pen display is superior

Pen tablet is a staple for artists because of its affordability and how easy to set it up and not requiring any other equipment other than your PC

[verbal marten]

Yeah

I'm lazy af to plug all that

Just to draw

When I can lie on potato bed and draw on ibis paint

[lyric iron]

Plus my desk is a little too small to fit that pen display and my laptop

[verbal marten]

Mine is

Barely fitting

[lyric iron]

Xp pen artist pro 12

That one

[verbal marten]

Wait

Wjats nine hold in

[lyric iron]

It was on discount at the time so really wanted to buy it

[verbal marten]

13.3

Also idk why

[lyric iron]

Almost

[verbal marten]

But it took me a shit while to actually figure out how to rotate the canvas

My dumbass didnt know how to rotate the canvas

[left siren]

I got a smol XP-Pentab

[verbal marten]

Imo I would prefer pen tablet honestly

It's much more easy to carry around unlike a thicc ass tablet

[lyric iron]

True

[left siren]

Old pc before it got hoarded by a brother

Funny enough I recovered that file a few days ago

[verbal marten]

Today is Christmas eve and its almost 1am

I cant fucking sleep

[left siren]

Christmas eve is still a few hours from now

It's still the 24th

[verbal marten]

Oh wait ya kan

[left siren]

Oh wait its the 24th

[verbal marten]

BRO

HELP

[lyric iron]

Oh it’s still the 23rd here

[scenic comet]

Is that heu taeo?

[left siren]

Yes

[scenic comet]

[lyric iron]

[pulsar veldt]

I just assumed that with a pc you'd usually use a mouse

[dire ruin]

but it would be too painful with mouse

drawing tablet>>>>>

[scenic comet]

Oh. I have tried it. I have permanent PTSD from it.

[round copper]

drew on pc with a mouse for year and getting continunous, non wobbly lines was like hell

[scenic comet]

Ikr

I stuck to paper and pencil

It's what I do best

[round copper]

yea same

[scenic comet]

Have u shared any art of yours?

[round copper]

Ye but they were mostly just pose practice

Like this

[scenic comet]

Sure.

[scenic comet]

Makima?

[round copper]

Mhm

[scenic comet]

Looks good

[round copper]

Glad she's recognisable in the drawing

[round copper]

Ty

[scenic comet]

Your welcome. Keep up the good work

[round copper]

Had shikniful help me with it that's why it looks good

[scenic comet]

Ye. They give great art advice

[pulsar veldt]

That’s why I use my finger and a phone

[dire ruin]

HAHA oh nuuu

[past sand]

Hello! I need an opinion please : what vibes does it gives you? I think about old ads posters because of the colors but.. idk

[robust mesa]

it does have that old yet cartoony vibe to it

[onyx breach]

i rarely get an oppurtunity to draw catgirls 😦

[hardy yew]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cmg8QbiKFg3/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[past sand]

It looks good!

[worthy junco]

I love her expression~

[grave nymph]

I wonder how big is the file size of the png w

[halcyon rune]

https://twitter.com/timepause_/status/1606531203276107778?s=20&t=2UvkUQEw_IgMLhhqqW169A

TimePause ☄️ (@timepause_)

夢語り 🌟
#ほしまちぎゃらりー

Twitter · Dec 24, 2022, 6:04 AM

[echo zealot]

woahit looks very cool

[grave nymph]

[lyric iron]

I love it

[distant dust]

Anyone got video recommendation on how to draw body portions

[past sand]

It looks good!

[past sand]

I do, but it's in french
Is that okay?

[distant dust]

Probably

[past sand]

https://youtu.be/sor9uN3jVls

They have a lot of video to explain the basic stuff. But I'm sure you can find more detailed video if you search well

[onyx breach]

22.3 mb

[grave nymph]

oh wow

[deft cairn]

Santa Ei wishes Merry Christmas everyone 🔥

[scenic comet]

[left siren]

This is honestly pretty frustrating

[distant dust]

What kind of canvas size does everybody use

[dusky trail]

4kx4k then adjust depend on what i want to go for

[onyx breach]

i go for an aspect ratio of 16:9 everytime but its over 6000 px x someting px

[left siren]

I typically use 2kx4k

But for this ellie piece I'm using 6000x8500 cuz I'll be rendering a lot of area out later on

[whole cloak]

usually around 1.5k x 2.5 k, each dimension is usually between 1-3k

[misty oasis]

Karenina

[grave nymph]

A4 but I adjust it if needed

[pulsar veldt]

3.5k x 4.6k usually but maybe use 4.5k x 6k if needed

[distant dust]

Everyones canvas is so big

Mines like the typical phone res even though im drawing on laptop

Its also taking me forever to draw

And my back hurts cuz im sitting on da floor

[dusky trail]

well the benefit of digital art is you can just zoom out and draw it like a small canvas size anyway

[left siren]

My phone art canvas is still 2000 by 4000 pixels

[worthy junco]

Drawing of someone's oc that I'm kinda proud of and I'm okay with any constructive criticism

[echo zealot]

Just my opinion I think the hand should be a little bigger, but overall it looks pretty good

[elfin grove]

Is there any good 2D ref for elysia's hohe design?

It's SO complicated I need a good ref and my low res game screenshots can't do the trick

[tender night]

look at her fanarts in google

her in game model is hard to draw so arts help a bit more

[dire ruin]

hmm actually even though it is completed can i have criticism for this one?

[long tangle]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cmjh9CtOX8X/?igshid=Zjc2ZTc4Nzk=

[dusky trail]

or just use this

i would throw in the 3D in-game reference too but sadly i don't have her

[worthy junco]

I got her in-game so if you want I could take a few pics for 3d reference

[scenic comet]

[grave nymph]

can someone give me tips on how to shade hair? I always feel lost despite watching videos and observing other people's artworks

still haven't gotten that eureka moment

[craggy smelt]

a templar

[robust mesa]

adding a bit of colour to the strands of the hair might help them get more visible thus improving the hair

[dusky trail]

just simple add more light streak on the right then darker one on the left

[grave nymph]

oooo

but I feel like that’s not enough

for the details of the hair I mean

[left siren]

Bonfire looks weird

[dusky trail]

just do more and see how it looks~

i just do it lightly there after all

[dusky trail]

because of the color, i actually see it like a couch is burning

[left siren]

Nah it looks like its about to sit weirdly on a chair and can't remember names

[silver vale]

Ngl it looks like it's a sleep pose on the bed

[lyric iron]

My mother does aquarel painting a lot so decided to paint with her (first time doing aquarel painting more or less )

Attempt at somewhat of a background

[left siren]

All I know is that furry art always sells well

[scenic comet]

[tender night]

how do you know that 👁️👄👁️

[bleak grotto]

lmao its true (as i grew up around many furries during my art journey)

[dusky trail]

depend on how long it took for you to finish it

[whole cloak]

What platforms would you recommend selling comms on (I haven’t established myself on any yet)? And how much per hour would you recommend charging?

[dusky trail]

well deviantart is a good place to start, as annoying as it is

if i remember, they even have shop so you can sell your print on

as for price range, it is pretty much depend on what kind of stuff you want to go for

just draw character with minimum background or go all out with the detail

well if you are unsure, you can always set around $10-$20 range to test thing out and adjust accordingly

though whatever you do, try to set up proper rule for your commission to avoid getting something too weird that you don't want to deal with

[shadow nebula]

I wouldn't recommend $10-20 for start, you're really undervaluing yourself, your time, and your art. The basics of finding a price range is the time it takes to finish a piece + minimum wage and factor in your skill set and your exposure. You can advertise yourself on deviantart like shik said but be mindful that they are AI sellouts and anything you put up there if you don't select the proper options will be used for AI. You can also promote your work on various discord servers and reddit.

[dusky trail]

twitter is also good~ though the algorithm can be annoying sometime

well just spread your stuff as much as you can to attract people

keep posting your own stuff then eventually you will have someone ask for commission

but again, it is really important for you to set a proper rule of what you accept as commission because people can ask for really weird thing or even beg for free stuff

[lusty relic]

remembered about aponia that i started a month ago, ugh

[dusky trail]

what can possibly happen to cause Aponia to wide opened her eyes like that

[lusty relic]

angry kalpas

[onyx breach]

ye commissiom details can get weird sometimes ahaha

[dusky trail]

but anyway~ it is fine to set some low price option too along you set it limit to certain thing, like say just a character standing in basic pose since sometime you can get request to design an OC

not everyone have money to throw at you for commission after all

so nothing wrong with set one option for the "commoner"

[onyx breach]

ever had rough encounters with clients, shik?

[dusky trail]

not at all, they are all reasonable, if anything they seem to be more surprise at how fast i work

like all their previous artists took like month to finish their stuff or something

[onyx breach]

hahaha

[dusky trail]

well you usually found more annoying clients in deviantart anyway

since you do have a lot of begger there

[onyx breach]

facebook groups as well

several years of doing these and havent encountered a rude one yet but definitely encountered ppl who want art for free and comms i had to refuse because of the weird details in it. 🙅

i refused 3 as well this month lol

[dusky trail]

ah ya~i remember that one person begging for art and when i refuse, she just say how noone love her and so on back when i still in deviantart

[onyx breach]

i had a fun encounter with one of them last time, he was like...do you draw for free? i was like nah, he replied with welp, time to go job-hunting for me, ill get back to you on that

[dusky trail]

stuff like that make it nice to have good client who even throw you extra $100 as tip

[onyx breach]

yup

[dusky trail]

so just be ready to deal with those begger and try not to fall for their soft story

[lyric iron]

I always laugh at those begger stories but would be such a pain to deal with those myself

[onyx breach]

gotta learn to refuse in a professional way

[lyric iron]

Would love to open commissions myself but i wanna develop my art style a bit more before i do

[onyx breach]

i think you also wanna ask yourself if youre willing to draw for other ppl

[lyric iron]

That too of course

[pulsar veldt]

Yes

[pulsar veldt]

Really??

Time to learn furry art

[verbal marten]

I'll try to open up commissions on Chinese new year

Because its after my exams

Original plan was December but final exams are on January lmao

[left siren]

It's common knowledge in the art community

There's just a lot of rich asss furries out there

[verbal marten]

How tf do you draw fluffy hair boys help

I see references I'm like okay this is how I do it but my hand says no

[dusky trail]

it is less about furry art but more on the "draw a kink"

a lot of artists got popular because they develop their art in certain trait

like say Halcon really love to put girl in competitive swimsuit

M-da Tarou also became super popular because of his love for dark skin girl

Popqn is... all about weirdly design clothe

yet he now work for a gacha game's here and there

heck the first thing you think about when someone mention Atelier Ryza is Ryza has huge thighs

it is a good way to make long lasting impression after all

if you like a character so much, people may even treat that character like you owned them

just as Mitarashi Kouhei did to Akiko-san from Kanon for like 20 years now...