ive seen bad mirrored art 💀
#art-discussion-and-wip
celest notch
scenic comet
Raiden Deez nuts
supple sorrel
wip for some designs 
bleak grotto
all the ai talk reminds me of this
https://waifulabs.com/
best way to get inspo tho
plucky bobcat
bleak grotto
its so fun to use tbh
prisma vector
sage canopy
heavy egret
I really wanna see how far AI genreated assets will go
Wanna see some games that have potentially infinite diverse content thanks to AI in the next 10 years
dusky trail
we already use generator to do random dungeon and such, not like update AI gonna do much
specially if that just gonna make people lazy to make actual fun map
i'm on the "small but packed with content" side rather than "massive open-world and barely any movement ability to make it any less repetitive" side
hardy yew
LOL
@plucky bobcat
I recognized your username, you're the homie who requested for Himeko's shots on my pixiv right?
plucky bobcat
maybe 
hardy yew
maybe <:Eevees_HimekoDerp:929371751765381191>
But ye, I still have plans to do that, probably the next shots will have Himeko
I'll modify that DPB card that I got from you and we bueno
plucky bobcat
thanks youre great 
i just forgat that i gaved you the cards sry
, i always lurk around and ask for himeko content cuz it got really hard to get some nais himeko pics wich arent cursed
hardy yew
i just forgat that i gaved you the cards sry<a:CB_cheems_pat:791405947426963456>...
Yep, that's sad actually, she's starting to become a forgettable character after Post-Ch25 and the whole ER debacle.
onyx breach
by the size of this screenshot it looks like ipad
celest notch
by the size of this screenshot it looks like ipad
It is
onyx breach
'-')b
celest notch
I love my ipad
a real hand-warmer when i play honkai
onyx breach
you have other drawing machine?
celest notch
you have other drawing machine?
wdym
i got a huion drawing tablet but i dont draw on my pc
onyx breach
ahh
celest notch
im comfy on ipad
celest notch
i got a huion drawing tablet but i dont draw on my pc
Mostly because i dont have my own room and my parents can see what i draw and constantly say “ohh who is it” “why doesnt it have..” “why do you draw such scary things?”
like i love you but stfu plz
celest notch
Ill upload 😍
17 downloads already qaqeaeaeae
celest notch
Lucky one for a such big drawing tablet
onyx breach
this was the first thing i bought on my first month entering pixiv
celest notch
What is pixiv?
celest notch
oh its all in japanese characters or sum 😭
onyx breach
you canswitch the language to english
onyx breach
if you have an acc there you can filter your pixivv to only see pg13 content
celest notch
if you have an acc there you can filter your pixivv to only see pg13 content
it isnt about just pg its about people making disgusting content bru
onyx breach
ah well they exist since the start of time
celest notch
sadly yes
hardy yew
@plucky bobcat I'mma blame ya for giving me emotional damage while making Himeko's card
heavy egret
we already use generator to do random dungeon and such, not like update AI gonna...
Not necessarily. It could end up giving us far better procedurally generated content. Right now most procedural generation doesn't even use AI
AI in game development is currently mostly just used for texture upscaling or sometimes to create a rough layout of the land with rough details which is then polished manually
plucky bobcat
<@485067967114117152> I'mma blame ya for giving me emotional damage while making...
sry i always have to deal with emotional dmg 
but if you want i show you some merch to cheer up
prisma vector
hardy yew
but if you want i show you some merch to cheer up <:1TeriDerp:604771699325534248...
Nah kek, don't worry
red smelt
so i drew something that was meant to be fu hua but made it jean instead
onyx breach
😮 grats how much?
celest notch
😮 grats how much?
30cp
onyx breach
what currency is that? 🤔
celest notch
clippy points
just a clip studio paint web currency used for buying paid brushes
theres also gold currency but its paid by money (unless u buy it with clippies)
Most people sell cheap like 10cp a brush
once one of my brush packs went on top so i set it 10 clippies and got like 2000 clippies in total
i n c o m e
onyx breach
nc
rough pelican
i prolly should post here more
drowsy onyx
oblique ferry
Just wanna draw Amber
forest mantle
imagine being so talented
neon pawn
Just wanna draw Amber
Awww the best outrider is looking cute!
oblique ferry
Thank you 
vocal sentinel
Edgy mei wip
bleak grotto
wipp
shadow nebula
study wip
fast spindle
First finished piece in like 1 month💀
wide dune
thougts on ai art? this one got generated by novel ai app
they dont always get the hands right.
pretty insane to think they are tappin onto the endless catalogue of uploaded artwork throughout the decades
neon pawn
Finished
Little mermaid, SiNoAlice
lost wagon
heavy egret
pretty insane to think they are tappin onto the endless catalogue of uploaded ar...
Kinda but not really. They use the artwork for training, but the AI don't actually use those pieces
The data of the initial images is wiped and only the "neural" connections the AI made during the training process are kept
But AI art itself is super cool IMO. Really shows progress in the field to a wider audience. And we literally see AI do something new and amazing every month or so
Also btw AI-generated animations are already a thing, and they're slowly getting better as well. Prepare for people to crap their pants over AI generated anime openings in 2024
heavy egret
https://twitter.com/zodiac_ws/status/1577221298920755200
Also nice shading
lost wagon
thanks <3
plucky bobcat
molten flume
hardy yew
A quick wip ~
worthy junco
A quick wip ~
Is that dream??
hardy yew
Is that dream??
Yes LMAO
oblique ferry
main umbra
Well, I'm still tweaking AI generation to make art for my stories. Seele Quest in particular. But, how should I put it...
I think it works better now.
(Seele's eyes are not the wrong color, in context.)
...this is addictive.
(Her hair is the wrong color. Easily fixable though.)
(Very easily.)
worthy junco
Well, I'm still tweaking AI generation to make art for my stories. Seele Quest i...
I geniuly can't tell if some of this
Was ai
main umbra
I geniuly can't tell if some of this
It's all AI.
Oh, here's what I was aiming for in the first place:
whole cloak
which ai did you use?
main umbra
NovelAI. It took a couple of attempts, and some editing...
...and the prompt in that box isn't gonna do it. 😛
Here's the actual prompt I used:
Sitting on a train, 3girls, sleeping, head on another's shoulder, Bronya Zaychik and Seele, blue eyes, casual clothes, twins, seele vollerei, honkai impact 3rd, bangs, black hair, silver hair, hair between eyes, colored inner hair, hair flower, hair ornament, long hair, multicolored hair, silver eyes, two-toned hair
Even then it still mixed up their features a lot, but judicious use of img2img can fix that.
...you'll note Bronya has two strands of black hair here. I decided that's because she's been listening to Roza.
Of course...
This picture isn't all that detailed, is it?
I mean, Seeles and Bronya are fine, but the window isn't showing anything very interesting.
So...
I can change the prompt slightly, prepending "Forest through window".
And get this:
...which is silly. I don't wanna go through that entire process again.
...but if I reduce the img2img strength somewhat, it mostly leaves the people alone.
Although it did add bokeh.
If I were so inclined, I could easily use this to make the girls a bit more painterly.
...yes, the AI is somewhat addictive, why do you ask?
Notice that last one has an extra hand coming out of nowhere. It's fixable, but it happens rarely enough that I mostly just filter out those pictures.
main umbra
Hands are super hard. This AI is incredibly better at it than older ones.
I can't draw hands either. 😛
A completely different scene.
It took nearly an hour to get the first one drawing Bronya and Seeles, in specific, and I'm not going to bother here. This is more what you can expect from a first try.
Also I just noticed I still had the "Don't draw Bronya" bit in there. It does that more or less by default if you ask for HI3. Too much Bronya fanart. 😛
(Is such a thing possible?)
worthy junco
Hands are super hard. This AI is incredibly better at it than older ones.
Just like me frl
main umbra
Just like me frl
In fairness I also can't draw anything else.
heavy egret
NovelAI. It took a couple of attempts, and some editing...
This'll probably become very common in the next 5 or so years: creating art with AI and then tweaking it to your liking
You know, there's actually already a lot of digital artists who literally make huge beautiful pieces of concept art and such by simply using real life stock photos and stuff and then editing it and adding a bit of actually hand-drawn stuff
Like all those beautiful Pokemon fan made pieces of concept art where the trainer(s) and Pokemon are in huge beautiful ruined cities or on a super pretty landscape etc
With AI art you could theoretically do the same, but even better cause you can get infinite personalized prompted references and pieces to build the whole puzzle out of
heavy egret
you cant draw anything else but hands?
hand flex
main umbra
With AI art you could theoretically do the same, but even better cause you can g...
You might be right, if AI stops changing now. What I find is that all predictions go out of date after two months.
heavy egret
You might be right, if AI stops changing now. What I find is that all prediction...
True true
Most people don't realize the insane speed at which AI is progressing. Further, significant progress is a matter of mere months, sometimes even weeks!
main umbra
Amusingly (?), this meets the textbook definition of a technological singularity.
Of course the word has been somewhat warped.
It isn’t “AI reaches divinity”. It’s “progress becomes impossible to predict”. Although I don’t think we’re quite there yet.
sage canopy
signal kettle
o-o
heavy egret
It isn’t “AI reaches divinity”. It’s “progress becomes impossible to predict”. A...
Ye, but that naturally is associated with AI by many, since it can potentially literally automize progress
It could happen without an AGI self improving to a crazy degree in theory, I think, but the scenario with AI is both more likely (maybe) and easier to grasp.
main umbra
What we've got right now is self-improving AI, though. That's why it's so fast.
It just isn't completely self-contained.
onyx breach
Ai art is cringe
ppl who have bottom of the barrel artistic skills
full solstice
i feel like ai art is fine if it's just being used as a base
what isnt fine is someone literally typing in random prompts and claiming it as entirely original art
by that logic, if you can use a calculator then you're considered a mathematician
main umbra
Depends on your goals. If you're trying to make people think you're a good artist... obviously that's just lying.
If you're trying to make a good looking picture, well, then I don't think the mechanism by which you do so should matter.
Though if you think "Throwing in random prompts" will get you this, then I challenge you to repeat the feat. 😛
It's engineering rather than art, but skill—and understanding of the underlying AI—is still involved.
Meanwhile, WIP 'a very long time ago' scene...
hardy yew
Ai art isn't art it's art theft
These AIs use people's art without permission I've heard
full solstice
In roughly the same way as literally anyone who draws fanart.
is it really though?
main umbra
The closest approximation we've got.
A well-designed training process involves the AI only looking at each picture once. You can measure how much information gets transferred into the network — or, at any rate, how much changes — and it amounts to a few bits per picture.
whole cloak
AI art takes less training and effort on the side of the person who prompts the ai art compared to people who draw directly since much of the “work” is done by the neural network, and the skills necessary to make “good” ai art seem to be of a different skill set entirely imo
main umbra
With the exception of overtraining (by having many copies of the same thing), which is considered a failure state, it's simply mathematically impossible for it to achieve any form of plagiarism. The data doesn't exist. If it's generating pictures that look like existing ones, that's normally because it's found patterns that exist across the several million pictures used as inputs.
Which is basically what human artists do, too.
main umbra
AI art takes less training and effort on the side of the person who prompts the ...
Well, yeah, sure. Of course.
Reducing the skill requirement is the whole point.
The way I see it, I'm more 'commissioning' art from the AI than anything else. The challenge is it doesn't speak english. ...and post-processing.
whole cloak
Yeah I agree with that
main umbra
My choice isn't between AI art and human art, though. It's between AI art and no art.
I'm a writer. I can't draw, and I can't afford the ten thousand hours needed to become decent at it. I could spend those writing.
Something I have done in the past is use AI art as input for commissions. Instead of trying to get across what I'm trying to do, which is hard and expensive...
"Like this picture here, except X, Y and Z, and please remove the obvious artifacts."
...also I'm a machine learning engineer, though I don't work on picture generation as such. So my perspective on the difficulty is probably different — it isn't a black box to me.
whole cloak
I see your point definitely
probably misinterpreted your words, but my own idea is that ai art shouldnt be claimed as entirely original which I see doesn’t conflict with yours
main umbra
You're only allowed to claim it as original if you built the AI. Otherwise, credit the people who did.
whole cloak
agreed
main umbra
Unfortunately that's impossible for individuals.
I'd rather celebrate the massive explosion of art we're about to have. It may make art less rare. That's a good thing.
... of course. Being who I am, I did try building my own picture-generation AI.
This is the best result I ever got:
...which is pretty good, but...
(It's supposed to be Seele. From a certain perspective.)
full solstice
definitely, it'd be nice if people could have more access to art instead of feeling the daunting task of having to learn so many skills
also sorry that i probably misinterpreted your words too, im just too used to people trying to claim that their ai art is completely original
full solstice
(It's supposed to be Seele. From a certain perspective.)
butterfly motifs are at least pretty cool
main umbra
Sure.
I trained it on 40,000 or so pictures harvested from danbooru. That took about four months on a 3090.
full solstice
i feel like ai art could give people an easier jumping off platform to branch out into art more
main umbra
About fifty of them were tagged 'butterfly', and none of them looked like that. In case you're wondering. 😛
full solstice
haha
honestly sounds like a fun project to try and see if you can tie together either a coherent image or random topics
main umbra
Stable diffusion was the state of the art for approximately one month. Now it's NovelAI.
Which is the usual pace.
But stable diffusion (or waifu diffusion) are still good, and if you have an nvidia GPU you can most likely run it yourself. In case you want to try it.
full solstice
interesting, i'll have to check it out
seems like a really fun way to try and get out of artblock haha
main umbra
Or pass me a prompt, and I'll see what I can do.
(Takes ten seconds, and I run a bot because seeing what people do with it is fun.)
main umbra
...ahaha.
full solstice
oh no
main umbra
You had to give me a hard one. Well, here's a quick demo.
full solstice
oop ok
main umbra
Just for starters, if I give it "kiana kaslana, on the moon"...
I was expecting a much, much worse result.
full solstice
probably HoV?
main umbra
Not exactly.
There's an interesting effect you have to deal with, which gets worse as the training dataset gets better. If pictures of Kiana in the training set were always tagged with "blue eyes", say, then the AI will treat absence of the tag as absence of the feature.
In effect, I told it "Kiana, but without blue eyes". And the AI went "Not blue? Hmm... gold seems common."
This is also the cause of basically every other deviation from stock Kiana.
main umbra
It's obvious when you know how the training process works, and thus literally nobody has put it in a tutorial yet.
It also has a tendency to put the moon in the sky, instead of underfoot. That's just because ... the moon is usually in the sky.
full solstice
double moon kiana
full solstice
mhm
full solstice
haha, it might be better if you tried a different app?
which app are you using right now
main umbra
This is the NovelAI webapp.
I have a separate, more capable one for waifu-diffusion, but waifu-diffusion itself isn't as good, so that's a second pass.
(Well, Krita + plugin)
((Though the webui in Automatic111 is pretty good as well, and easier to use. Maybe better in some cases.))
@full solstice So there you go. It's late, and this is better done by you. 😛
main umbra
Editing aside, the final prompt was "kiana kaslana, surface of the moon, earth (planet), honkai impact 3rd, blue eyes, toy gun, casual clothes".
If I wanted to give her cat ears it'd be a little more involved.
...not that much more involved, heh.
whole cloak
Does anyone have a clear sushang ref sheet?
celest wind
ehhh, imo the main problem of ai art is just that its easily misused and isnt handled properly. it's basically an art theft anyway, but that barely scratches the surface when some people are using those ai produced arts for monetization and monetary means. Ai art is fine in itself, though i think this ai/applications should add some sort of watermarks, or at best some sort of copyright shit to prevent people from using it for monetary means. It just doesnt feel right to see alot of people using ai art for patreon shit and even getting them sold(which is imo such a scam since they basically just paid for an app in a much lesser price than a commision then idk, wrote a prompt of some sort then sells it for the same price as a commision art), hell didnt someone even win a fucking competition with it?
hardy yew
In roughly the same way as literally anyone who draws fanart.
If you were a REAL artist you wouldn’t say that
It’s obvious you never made anything good yourself so you have to use the hard work of others who are able to draw
Don’t act like you’re a real artist you’re just lazy
Art theft is bad and lazy
Also it’s not just me actually good artists don’t like this too https://twitter.com/ompf666/status/1577792176632877057?s=21
Twitter
celest wind
yo chill dude😭😭 no need to throw that much shit to the person
hardy yew
It’s the only way to stop theft that I’ve seen
celest wind
i do get it why people would be mad over people who calls themselves artist over ai art though
end of the day itll just keep expanding, just hope that this ai's would implement watermarks to these ai produced art so no one can claim it as theirs
kinda shitty some people gets monetary off of it
kinda morally wrong and shitty to begin with
hardy yew
Wait people sell it?
celest wind
some does, some uses it as patreon content
hardy yew
Why is this not illegal
celest wind
someone won a competition with it if im not mistaken
bro just printed an ai art and won
from what i remember
celest wind
Why is this not illegal
thats what im saying, ai art is fine in itself as long as its not misused as which is currently happening
people claims it as theirs because they wrote a prompt of some sort
idk but selling an ai produced art with while yes a paid application, is still shitty when you put it at a commision price, its literally a scam
im not against ai art whatsoever, it just needs heavy improvements with monetary things and ownerships
hardy yew
I don’t think it’s the same as fan artists tho
celest wind
its not, idk what the fuck even the connection between those two anyway
and im not gonna bother knowing
i cant be assed
hardy yew
It’s because fan art is someone else’s oc and ai art is someone else’s art I guess
celest wind
😭thats such a stretch LMFAO
hardy yew
I have no idea why those ai programs that steal art haven’t been shut down yet
celest wind
its most likely not gonna be shutted down, just hope it gets fixed with its ownership and monetary problems is all the best we can hope for
wide dune
Someone mentioned the programs are using the art to learn to draw. How close are the output. Can we find exact matches from where it was derived
The human mind uses a similar concept to learn to draw. U learn with references
celest wind
some examples are proly out there at twitter, some ais has a some sort of 'reference image input' type of thing
wide dune
I seen one a comparison but it didn’t look traced over
It’s like if u use someone else’s pose but completely change the character
hardy yew
I think ai art would be an amazing business if the artist gave consent to it
wide dune
As in one is a posing skinny char and the other is the same pose but it’s a completely diff char with diff proportions
celest wind
yeah thats what ive been saying, ai art concept itself is not a bad thing, it just has HEAVY monetary and ownership problems
hardy yew
It’s like if u use someone else’s pose but completely change the character
It’s not really the same since you don’t do anything to make it
wide dune
Everything is moving towards replacing the human factor
Some game companies are lookin into replacing VAs with Ai too..
hardy yew
You mean like vocaloid?
wide dune
I guess so.
Programming in an of itself is being automatized too. As it keeps building upon itself
hardy yew
Also the thing I was talking about when I said "didn't do anything to make it" I meant the ai is the artist
Not the person using the ai
celest wind
it just leads to ownership again and again, this ais should add watermarks with it so people coudnt freely use it for monetary and absurd means
me when i call myself an artist because i wrote my imaginative big tiddy anime waifu in the most elaborate shit ever
hardy yew
Writing is art
hardy yew
Also I kinda wish ai was a more common tool
Because then there would be more people contributing to it and using it
celest wind
its a great resource for ideas and stuff
just needs some tweaks about legal and monetary stuff and itll be a cool tool to use
though i doubt id be using it considering im bad at elaborating ideas
still cool to see it when it gets the tweaks it needs
hardy yew
Agreed I think ai stuff will be amazing in the future
If the legal stuff was taken care of
hardy yew
Pretty art
main umbra
some examples are proly out there at twitter, some ais has a some sort of 'refer...
img2img? That works by compressing the input image to a latent space tensor, adding noise, and using the result as the initial point for the usual generation process. Instead of using pure noise. It's only really useful if the two match, so normally you'd use it with the AI's own output. Of course you can feed it any other image, but that doesn't really work.
The AI works entirely off intuition; the logical thinking has to be supplied by the user. Not that I suppose any of you are at all interested in the technical side.
celest wind
proly idk i cant be assed to study what the fuck ai is
i just need it to fix its ownership shit to keep people from claiming it and exploiting it for monetary means
main umbra
Feeding img2img a picture that didn't come from the AI in the first place is just an elaborate way to get less random outputs.
Oh, I'm all for that.
Though I also want the same rules to apply to humans.
zinc crown
Thing is, if you really get to understand how it works you'd realize it isn't actually using the art from other people to create photobashes, and therefore it'll be extremely hard to prosecute people for whatever they do.
main umbra
Hm? It is though.
In basically the same way I would when I draw something by hands.
I've got several books at home with reference pictures. How to draw hands, et cetera. Not that I can; I haven't spent nearly enough time training.
zinc crown
Oh okay, I might have explained it the wrong way
It does use artwork for the training of the neural network, but it doesn't use those to draw the actual pictures.
main umbra
No, like I explained earlier, it extracts somewhere around... let's do the math.
Stable Diffusion is 3.5 GB in size.
hardy yew
Also if you use ai technically the ai is an artist not you
main umbra
It was trained on 2.3 billion pictures.
So it extracted about 12 bits of data per picture.
Of course that's heavily compressed data; it's an autoencoder.
(VAEs like the one in SD are actually the (second) best compression algorithms in existence, only beaten by the human visual cortex.)
(And possibly those in birds.)
main umbra
Also if you use ai technically the ai is an artist not you
Yes, I explicitly said that earlier.
I'm really starting to wonder who you people are upset with.
...this does lead to legal problems. AIs can't hold copyright.
zinc crown
So it extracted about 12 bits of data per picture.
Oh I see, gotta read the papers then
main umbra
It's just some silly napkin math. 🙄
zinc crown
Talking more about the actual algos running to train the network
celest wind
i already stated it earlier, ai art is fine in itself, the legal problems and the ownership stuff it tackles is the only worrisome thing about this. Doesnt leave a good taste in my mouth when someone sells an ai generated illustration for a high price
hardy yew
I thought you were comparing yourself to fan artists is why I was mad
main umbra
More relevantly, the training process only saw each picture once. The only pictures you can get it to plagiarize are the couple that get repeated tons of times in the dataset, for whatever reason.
main umbra
I thought you were comparing yourself to fan artists is why I was mad
Well, yeah.
I'm a fanfic writer.
hardy yew
Oh
main umbra
Currently trying to revive Seele Quest with a bit of inspiring art. Though this whole thing is leaving a bad taste.
celest wind
alot of people takes it alot more seriously i guess
main umbra
Talking more about the actual algos running to train the network
For the VAE itself, it's pretty simple. You take a picture, the AI compresses it into a 64x64 latent tensor, the AI decompresses it, the training program compares the two and very slightly tweaks the AI such that it does the compression better. It's a variational autoencoder, though. So once this is all done, you can set the latent tensor to random noise and (the variational part ensures that) it'll decode to some sort of semi-sane picture.
Then a separate part, the unet, maps latent tensors to english-y prompts.
Only very slight tweaks are done for each training image, so it's just fundamentally impossible for the AI to copy anything.
...this is the most efficient method. The most efficient method is actually to only run each image past it once, and that's what they did for stable diffusion itself, but danbooru isn't quite large enough for that to work. Still, I've tried to make it plagiarize things, and I can't do it.
...and yes, the VAE is indeed a much better compression algo than JPEG. With the caveat that the decompressor is 4GB in size and needs a 3080. 😛
zinc crown
Ideally this tech would make so that anyone could get illustrations for their projects without necessarily having to spend years training their art skills, in a way letting anyone to create things faster, but the paradigm around the arts profession is already dire, now this feels like a kick in the guts for a lot of people.
main umbra
Mathematically, the amount of information the AI learns from each training picture is called its learning rate. That's usually set to a rather small number; 0.0001 is a nice start, but probably way too large. Treat it as a percentage.
(Higher rates do not work better. It's not that simple.)
zinc crown
dw @main umbra I can look it up myself, lets keep this channel art sharing only
main umbra
Ideally this tech would make so that anyone could get illustrations for their pr...
I can understand that, but I'm sorry. I'm an ML engineer, and I'm too busy staring at an upcoming apocalypse to worry too much about, uh, family and friends who will be put out of jobs by this. 😦
Feels like worrying about dirty hair while standing in sewage. I picked the profession so I'd have a shot at steering things; mostly I've worked out there's no solutions to be had. Oh well.
You're right. Let's leave the channel for art.
fast leaf
modern kettle
Can't believe my mom mistook my previous Elysia drawing as scratch paper then gave it to my 1 year old brother and ripped it.
lost wagon
sage oxide
https://twitter.com/rain_marginals/status/1577804118659416064 idk if this goes here but hi guys
onyx breach
same here, my ultimate stance is ai art is fine, just dont claim it as your own because it takes you 0 skills for you to create it. 👍
heavy egret
The AI works entirely off intuition; the logical thinking has to be supplied by ...
"The AI works entirely off intuition"
That's a really good way to explain it that I did not think of
molten flume
oblique ferry
Oooooo 👀
plucky bobcat
looks nais
plucky bobcat
can you draw himeko in a racequeen skin too? 
split pagoda
long tangle
sterile valley
oblique ferry
Very beautiful indeed 
shadow nebula
solar pagoda
Stuck in my head and I guess counts as art so here 😔
solar pagoda
💀 since I already tried one may as well try this too
celest notch
how tf do i background 😭😭😭
celest notch
alr i got it 🥰👍
craggy smelt
💀 since I already tried one may as well try this too
beautiful voice you have!
such great control on the tone and pitches
heavy egret
💀 since I already tried one may as well try this too
Byotiful
long tangle
tiny wedge
worthy junco
I love the hair movement in Yoneyama mai art so I tried doing something similar
hardy yew
dire ruin
Stuck in my head and I guess counts as art so here 😔
omg 🥺 🥺 it's so pretty and haunting
heavy egret
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjdOusNOMzw/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
This is beautiful, but also sad
Because those Y-Wings are about to be dominated by the Tie-fighter squadrons and the two Star Destroyer's supressing fire.
Rookie mistake. The rebels are just not as sharp as they used to be, man.
long tangle
Because those Y-Wings are about to be dominated by the Tie-fighter squadrons and...
Yeah I actually wanted to name it something like “a really really big mistake” lmao
I also planned to have two squadrons but then i thought how could I make their lives worse?
timid vector
commission wip
main umbra
"Hi! I'm Liliya, and this is my sister Roza."
It's utterly impossible to get a decent picture that's recognizably the twins, if I want it with horns. This one's adorable, though. I'm half tempted to write a story where they don't have any, just so I can portray them.
hardy yew
wip :)
heavy egret
Yeah I actually wanted to name it something like “a really really big mistake” l...
Name it "Oh, I have a bad feeling about this"
craggy smelt
yo wtf this is so good
the colors are heavenly
the details of the colors in the eye too
dayum
eternal spear
Are the legs ok?
Can someone teach me how to colour hair with colour pencils in app drawing like this:
I can’t add the details idk why
dusky trail
Are the legs ok?
legs are too thin and short
it almost like they about the same length and wide as the arms
dusky trail
Using this image?
well you can always try draw a body frame first
when you have a proper guiding frame, it is easier for you to adjust on top of it
but mostly just try to compare the arm and the leg
if the leg is too short or too thin compare to the arm, you know it is wrong
dusky trail
just try to measure thing with your eyes
eternal spear
Ok
dusky trail
it is something you have to see and draw more to learn so it isn't exactly something i can teach you
dusky trail
Alrighty them
i guess another way to practice is to try draw one with skin tight suit or swimsuit
that way you can see their body line easier
eternal spear
Alright
dusky trail
but ya, just draw more and more, you will grasp it eventually
eternal spear
Ok
hardy yew
Idk
hardy yew
yo wtf this is so good
Thx man, it literally took me an hour just for the face
hushed wind
Ellie~
hardy yew
Ellie~
Looks gorgeous but I'm ngl, i think you could do it better
Love the clothes details btw🤌
eternal spear
Should I fix something?
Should a add a white boarder around ningguang with a white pencil
dusky trail
ehh maybe rotate it so people don't have to tilt their head to see it
scenic comet
Fast as F-uck sketch in under 20 minutes
heavy egret
I dont like shoes
Well, good. Screw shoes
hardy yew
hardy yew
Should I fix something?
No, it looks good the way it is👍🏻
hardy yew
how does it feel having one of the cutest art styles out there
hardy yew
gaw dam thats some good looking joly, 10/10
spring sphinx
I love this funky guy so much ive missed drawing him
supple sorrel
I love this funky guy so much ive missed drawing him
slaying thats great
stable pawn
looks really cute, i like the way you drew that
stable pawn
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjdkiXDJeck/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
i genuinely thought this was just a photo, this is great, i love the way you drew this 
shell gulch
Can someone teach me how to colour hair with colour pencils in app drawing like ...
Wait wat
I don't get it u said color pencils
Wat app are u talking abt?
Also if u wanna learn abt color pencils
Try studying colors first
Color theory
Should help
heavy egret
I love this funky guy so much ive missed drawing him
Oh no. Not the gay potion! That was meant for Ralsei
seriously though. I wanna see Ralsei in thay style now
Also the art itself is stellar. Nice job, fella
spring sphinx
Thanks so much! I’ve drawn him before but only in funny quick doodles so I should definitely draw him fr at some point
hardy yew
celest notch
my art teacher: draw a halloween costume you'd like to wear
me at this point: uwu
shell gulch
Bro what the fuck are ai artist
Why do these delusional dogs have the audacity to even call themselves artists????
dusky trail
Anyways anyone help me with this anatomy?
head is too big, the torso ratio is a bit off, cause the length from her right shoulder to the waist drag out too long
the length of her waist also too short too so it makes her torso seem smaller than the rest of her body
just compare that red box for her head size and her thigh size
distant wagon
Pardo wip, trying to find the colours to colour her hair aaaa
hardy yew
Such a cute art style
hardy yew
head is too big, the torso ratio is a bit off, cause the length from her right s...
Bro wtf, why are you always pointing bad stuff at other people's draws? Like, do you even draw well? Can't you just say you respect the time and effort they put innit?
dusky trail
because people ask for it?
and not like i mocking them, they just ask for opinion of their art and i answer it
hardy yew
the length of her waist also too short too so it makes her torso seem smaller th...
Also its obvious that her torso is smaler, it's called prespective, and the hand is closer to the "camera"
dusky trail
like do you see people i reply to hating it or they actually took in the advice?
hardy yew
No, but i do
dusky trail
then that is just your problem
hardy yew
They asked for anatomy help, not a hole critic
dusky trail
and that is why i point out what part seem wrong in the anatomy
hardy yew
❤️
dusky trail
and yes, i do draw
hardy yew
Ok, me too?
dusky trail
then what you even mad about?
hardy yew
Im mad cuz you keep giving critics and dont even tell people that they're art is good
dusky trail
do i need to throw out random praise before i critic people...?
hardy yew
and yes, i do draw
Plus i know this pose from somewhere, i will find it.
hardy yew
Uhu yeah
dusky trail
but anyway, if you like to praise people, go ahead, i don't randomly say it when there is no need to
hardy yew
Whatever that's not what wanna know now
Make a time lapse of you drawing
Im sure you won't have a problem right?
dusky trail
why do i need to do that?
hardy yew
Why would you not do that?
dusky trail
because i like to draw at my pace and i have no reason to record it?
hardy yew
haha.
Im just saying, if you can actually draw like you showed i just tought there wouldn't be a problem with it
dusky trail
i mean sure, i can do it but i have no reason to actually do it
hardy yew
You do have a reason tho
To show me that you can actually do it
dusky trail
and why do i need to show you i can actually draw?
hardy yew
Because if you dont then you're a liar
dusky trail
sure go ahead then, i don't really care
hardy yew
Sure then, now i know i was right
Just dont go saying what people could change in their draws when you can't do it yourself
dusky trail
do you really need to able to do the same thing to actually tell your opinion?
if someone draw one arm longer than the rest, not like you need to draw to actually see that one arm is longer
hardy yew
do you really need to able to do the same thing to actually tell your opinion?
Yes, if you got experience then you could actually tell them
Bro, i just wont believe you cant draw if you dont want to show me a speed paint
That's too guilty
dusky trail
well then you go ahead and give them advice for they anatomy then since you say you can draw
dusky trail
like i say, i don't really care if you believe me or not, make no different to me
hardy yew
like i say, i don't really care if you believe me or not, make no different to m...
I also dont care if you dont care, but i do care if im right
dusky trail
feel free to do so, not matter much to me
hardy yew
Is it really that hard to record yourself drawing?
dusky trail
again, i see no reason to waste my time with that
hardy yew
So proving you're right wile you draw is a waste of time?
I dont get why you draw then
If you can call that draw
hardy yew
If you draw for yourself you wouldn't show it to other people
dusky trail
and why i can't flex the stuff i want to see to other people?
dusky trail
how am i not show you timelapse mean i tracing?
hardy yew
Because you're obviously trying to avoid it
If I'm a person who can do my stuff, i would send the time lapse with no worries
dusky trail
again, i can but why do i need to prove to you?
you can believe i tracing and steal art if you want, tell that to everyone if you please
mean nothing to me
hardy yew
If you can why wont you do it?
dusky trail
because i'm not so insecure that i have to prove i can draw to someone?
hardy yew
Lmao, how are you not insecure and are avoiding to send the simplest thing
hardy yew
you can believe i tracing and steal art if you want, tell that to everyone if yo...
I dont need to tell people, it's easy to catch people like you, just like now
I will go now
I'm going to draw because that's something i can do
hardy yew
i don't care
I do.
dusky trail
so guy, just ask Aksjfkkwnd for advice from now on, since im such a liar and all, my opinion would be meaningless anyway
hardy yew
You see, i dont care if you don't care, i do care
I do mind it
I am concerned.
dusky trail
so i just gonna go take my nap
hardy yew
Okay bye ya
zinc crown
Bro wtf, why are you always pointing bad stuff at other people's draws? Like, do...
If people ask for critique then it's okay to give it, unsolicited critique is the only type that is not allowed.
hardy yew
If people ask for critique then it's okay to give it, unsolicited critique is th...
Yeah i get it, i might have been a bit worng on that
But that's not what really concerns me
I don't get why you attacked shiniful they were way nicer than most critics I've run in to
In what way did i attack them?
You were obviously trying to start a fight
I wasn't trying to start a fight, i just asked for a time lapse so they prove they actually drew that
whole cloak
shiks shown process stuff here many times before
hardy yew
You also said their advice was bad
hardy yew
You also said their advice was bad
?
hardy yew
shiks shown process stuff here many times before
See, why wont they show a FULL time lapse? Process isn't just showing images yk
Also unrelated but is off topic art allowed in this channel?
whole cloak
some artists dislike time lapses since it puts pressure on or its inconvenient but if you look in history shik put multiple process steps of works
whole cloak
Also unrelated but is off topic art allowed in this channel?
yep
hardy yew
some artists dislike time lapses since it puts pressure on or its inconvenient b...
I dont get why you're trying to cover them
It's really not much of a big deal to show a time lapse
Sometimes it's hard to get a timelapse (if you don't use ibispaint)
hardy yew
Sometimes it's hard to get a timelapse (if you don't use ibispaint)
Ha, you can show a time lapse on medi, ibis, clip, procreate
Plus if your a phone user u can just screen record
Also on pc
I didn't know that
That's okay
Anyways
Also since off topic art is allowed (hearts hide mistakes)
hardy yew
Also since off topic art is allowed (hearts hide mistakes)
Oh, if you want to hide mistakes that way, you can also use motion blur, it will look like there are petals falling
fast spindle
HOLY I JUST FINISHED MY NAP AND YALL BE BEEFING?😰
hardy yew
HOLY I JUST FINISHED MY NAP AND YALL BE BEEFING?😰
To be honest if you were to send this few minutes ago i would've sent a whole testament about it🧍🏻♀️
zinc crown
I wasn't trying to start a fight, i just asked for a time lapse so they prove th...
It is wrong to assume someone is doing a bad thing and calling them out without proof
hardy yew
It is wrong to assume someone is doing a bad thing and calling them out without ...
They're the proof tho
fast spindle
What proof
hardy yew
Fr
hardy yew
My proof is the fact that they dont want to send the time lapse
zinc crown
Honestly I'm gonna ask that you stop trolling in this channel, a formal warning
hardy yew
Look, if i can draw, i wont have a problem with showing a time lapse
They avoided it in every way possible
hardy yew
Honestly I'm gonna ask that you stop trolling in this channel, a formal warning
You write that like i do this everyday
zinc crown
You are doing it right now
hardy yew
Aren't you either?
zinc crown
fast spindle
My proof is the fact that they dont want to send the time lapse
There are clip users who yk turn off the Timelapse just because it’s a waste of space AND having Timelapse are pressuring in some way
hardy yew
I literally stopped talking about it and you kept going
fast spindle
Aren't you either?
Nah dude you started this
hardy yew
Nah dude you started this
Yeah i know 🧍🏻♀️
zinc crown
There are clip users who yk turn off the Timelapse just because it’s a waste of ...
Clip studio is not even the only app that people use to draw
hardy yew
I didnt even said other person used clip
fast spindle
Ik just pointing out some reasons
zinc crown
There's many reasons as to why an artist doesn't have to prove with video that they did their artwork, its the other way around
If you think they are doing something wrong, its up to you to present proof
hardy yew
There's many reasons as to why an artist doesn't have to prove with video that t...
That's a very wrong way to think
Have it crossed your mind if they're actually tracing and you just live with it?
zinc crown
That could go for pretty much anyone
hardy yew
I wouldn't mind seeing everyone making a time lapse 💀
zinc crown
Its their time though, not yours
fast spindle
You mean like choice?
hardy yew
Bro, after that one, imma just sleep
I dont even care about this fuss anymore
I have my way of thinking yall have yours
Bye 🧍🏻♀️
hardy yew
Does anyone have any tutorials/advice for drawing hands?
zinc crown
I just did a lot of studies
distant wagon
I cannot draw curly hair to save my life, anyways bronie wip
molten spindle
dusky trail
well then, now that i'm done with my nap
while there is no reason to drag that topic out but there is my "excuse" as to why i don't do time lapse
a draw can sometime take hours or even days to finish because sometime you keep go over the sketch or redo the lineart because it doesn't feel right to you, or sometime just the lack of motivation that day
i just draw at my own pace, stop to listen to music or maybe even go for a walk to clean my mind
so i rather not entertain him with that "oh so you can't do it, that must mean you are a faker" just to prove i can draw
molten flume
this guy being another incarnation of aki it seems
molten flume
bleak grotto
My proof is the fact that they dont want to send the time lapse
what.
anyways
wip
hardy yew
Rough sketch but is anything off anatomy or otherwise? Also idk why but the hands look weird
dusky trail
Rough sketch but is anything off anatomy or otherwise? Also idk why but the hand...
right hand is smaller than the left
shell gulch
Rough sketch but is anything off anatomy or otherwise? Also idk why but the hand...
The right hand looks is very off
Do you have a reference for the pose?
hardy yew
You mean the hand on the ground idk what the hell I should do with that one
dusky trail
You mean the hand on the ground idk what the hell I should do with that one
there you go
dreamy cypress
dire ruin
OMGG THE COMPOSITION I LOVE
fast spindle
Last night I chose violence
onyx breach
lmao this guy's such a hypocrite, he has problems with ppl stating critiques on ppl who actually asked for it saying they need to praise their art. That's just straight up lying to the ppl who are aware that they dont have enough skills to create a good enough art. Practice what you preach
what a clown 💩
Also, you cant just say something is traced until you have proof of it, until then its just pure dogshit coming out of your mouth
tawny magnet
https://twitter.com/MashiroArts/status/1579607908324880387
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/101845547
Finish fanart Ina
hardy yew
Also, you cant just say something is traced until you have proof of it, until th...
Bold of you to assume im a guy
And wow, after that i wonder how im gon live my life in peace
I'm being sarcastic if you didn't understand btw
shell gulch
hardy yew
?
shell gulch
Go to school bro
hardy yew
Im in school tho
shell gulch
Damn
hardy yew
🤌
hardy yew
Art class
shell gulch
hardy yew
Staring at a wall?
I dunno, if ur a person that compares a phone to a wall you might need glasses
hardy yew
What talking im quiet af
hardy yew
And maybe pay attention to ur class
They're literally playing phonk and crawling in tables
How should i pay attention
hardy yew
Because u need the extra iq
Do you even know the meaning of iq?
hardy yew
No buts just stop there
shell gulch
hardy yew
Do you need to ask for someone to speak?
shell gulch
Do you need to be humiliated to stfu?
hardy yew
Do you need me to say im offend so you think you ate?
hardy yew
I wonder if ur parents give u attention
They do thanks for wondering
shell gulch
Tryna be some white knight in discord with ur shir arguments
hardy yew
Do you even have parents?
celest wind
https://twitter.com/MashiroArts/status/1579607908324880387
https://www.pixiv.net...
that looks really great
shell gulch
Probably a twitter goblin
hardy yew
What? 🧍🏻♀️
shell gulch
😬
hardy yew
I dont even use Twitter
tawny magnet
that looks really great
Thanks~
shell gulch
Damn ur that stupid and u don't use Twitter?
hardy yew
??
shell gulch
Are u sure u rlly go to school tho?
Like ur so delusional man grow up
Go get some sun holy shit
hardy yew
No in stupider to the point i cant even read what you write
You should probably attend to school to go learn the abc
shell gulch
There's no point in talking to you even
The more i talk to u the more brain cells I lose
Holy shit
hardy yew
Are u sure u rlly go to school tho?
Im number 2 at school board in good grades
hardy yew
The more i talk to u the more brain cells I lose
I knew it from the start you didn't even use brain cells for sure lol
vale shale
whats the fuck is happening 
hardy yew
I wonder too
shell gulch
Pretty funny how u have the audacity to talk when ur pretty delusional and stupid
I feel bad for ur parents
vale shale
I never seen angrier honkai chat
hardy yew
Pretty funny how u have the audacity to talk when ur pretty delusional and stupi...
Im not talking im writing
hardy yew
I feel bad for ur parents
I feel bad for yourself
vale shale
outta pocket bruh
hardy yew
Give this guy a gold medal
Got many
molten flume
we just being quiet and there is someone trolling lol
shell gulch
I'll just block you not worth wasting my time talking
hardy yew
we just being quiet and there is someone trolling lol
Yes i had stopped talking about something of yesterday and they keep bringing it
molten flume
yeah and you just keep on putting fire
hardy yew
I'll just block you not worth wasting my time talking
Ha, i think im very worth, if i wasn't you wouldn't even mind my words
hardy yew
yeah and you just keep on putting fire
Ofc, if they answer I'll do the same
shell gulch
🤡 🎪
molten flume
okay, im not going to have an argument this isnt the right channel to argue
hardy yew
okay, im not going to have an argument this isnt the right channel to argue
Im not arguing
shell gulch
Damn she's still talking??
hardy yew
Yes? 🧍🏻♀️
You just showed a print of me asking someone to respect the other person draw
carmine topaz
chat certified hood classic
molten flume
just stop having complaints, its way too chaotic bud
hardy yew
K, gtg anyways
brazen briar
hello!
plucky bobcat
just stop having complaints, its way too chaotic bud
I really love your arts can you draw some honkai chars again?
dusky trail
you guy can't be bother to show up when he bully me, sob sob
but well, best not to drag that pointless thing out
hardy yew
hardy yew
but well, best not to drag that pointless thing out
You did already 💀
dusky trail
not at all, when i tell people why i don't do timelapse, it just for people want to know why some people don't care to do timelapse
hardy yew
Are we beefing again? I wont miss it this time
I just want to send my art bro
dusky trail
that is why i don't tag you
hardy yew
See
fast spindle
I just want to send my art bro
No I see you attempting to beef with shikniful
But ok nice art
hardy yew
Ok ig?
fast spindle
😘😘😘
hardy yew
Thx🧚♀️
fast spindle
Boutta pass out sooner or later
hardy yew
dusky trail
can't tell if that because of the angle you took the picture but her left feet seem rather small
fast spindle
can't tell if that because of the angle you took the picture but her left feet s...
Ikr, but that’s what the teacher wants😔
dusky trail
your teacher has small feet kink then
fast spindle
For context I’m learning rn
fast spindle
your teacher has small feet kink then
Think so
dusky trail
but your teacher probably want a perspective one
fast spindle
Likely
dusky trail
but well, i only call it off because it is smaller than the right one
sinful imp
dusky trail
but ya, your teacher probably want something like this
he could still secretly has small feet kink, you never know
onyx breach
🤔
fast spindle
🤨
shell gulch
hardy yew
hardy yew
These characters look familiar are they fan art or oc
None bro, just made them in history class
The chibis have a ton of personality good job
Ty :p
dusky trail
did you draw anything large scale before then?
dusky trail
well not just full body, more like draw in various angle, different poses and such
hardy yew
Yeah, it's in another sketch book, when i get home I'll show you, although its not with that character
hardy yew
I didnt find much since i usually do chibis in traditional, but i did find stuff
That one's old, i think it was referenced
Some guy from esemble stars
main umbra
Two nice things about AI art.
- I've got on average one picture per 500 words of story. And also...
- The twins got into the paint closet.
Now there's no way of telling who is who!
hardy yew
Are those the vodka twins?
main umbra
At eight, yes.
hardy yew
It’s just so nice to look at
Awe thank you👉👈
main umbra
Are those the vodka twins?
It's for a story in which Elysia shows up just prior to third impact to rescue Sirin. Very fix-fic. Don't judge us.
So of course obviously the twins would never lose their parents, never get hybridized, etc. etc--
...er.
Well, um, at least they're not doing it because they're worried someone they know might otherwise die!
fast spindle
hardy yew
Jolyne, background on progress.
bleak grotto
Two nice things about AI art.
what thing do you use i kinda wanna see what it comes up with
main umbra
what thing do you use i kinda wanna see what it comes up with
NovelAI mostly; it has the best database for these girls.
It absolutely cannot do them with horns, unfortunately. Don’t even bother trying.
Genshin works much better. XD
(Above picture: Those are lightly edited “hair decorations”, not horns.)
shell gulch
Bruh ai "artists" should be banned on twitter
💀
Not like use the app
But it's pretty sad that ppl think that they actually drew it
main umbra
That’s an odd claim.
Anyone capable of producing ai art of the quality I tend to see published would certainly have to understand how it works.
shell gulch
It's twitter
Do u really think ppl there have the braincells to know what ai art is?
Bro twitter is just too far deep to save
Everything there is a shit fest
Back to ai art
The thing that I rlly hate the most abt it tho
Is that's it's so easy to fking abuse
I could just make a random fucking pic and say I drew it
And sell thousands
These apps should put like
Water marks ngl
main umbra
Eh, people will quickly start to notice the flaws.
shell gulch
U dont get it
There will never be flaws
It copies us
But it has limits
That's the only flaw
And since it copies us
main umbra
…it randomly gave the twins pointy ears.
shell gulch
Without us it's basically useless
shell gulch
…it randomly gave the twins pointy ears.
Yea but as time passes on it will be more accurate
Like the thing is
These programs should just put watermarks
main umbra
When I’m using it to actually illustrate a story, it takes me an hour of effort in Krita to get something usable.
main umbra
Stable diffusion puts an invisible watermark in every output by default.
shell gulch
I could make a living out of this shit but I won't because I have morals
And I hate ai art
main umbra
Ditto most of the forks.
main umbra
I like having my stories illustrated. It helps.
shell gulch
It makes life easier
But
Art shouldn't be easy tho
It's a hard process that needs dedication and pure hard work
shell gulch
With shit apps like this, the feeling of making real authentic art is still more empowering imo
Since u know
U made it without help
main umbra
And I can’t afford to pay for human art. So.
shell gulch
Like ai art is just so scummy
main umbra
I get a choice between AI art, or none.
shell gulch
I hate the idea
shell gulch
And I can’t afford to pay for human art. So.
I mean there art servers that actually gives like free commissions
Tho the effort will not be as good as paid ones
But yea I understand ur point
main umbra
…at a rate of two per day, of the quality above?
shell gulch
Ppl just don't get it because they think ppl who can draw are gifted and sht
main umbra
… nobody who has ever learnt a skill from scratch can reasonably think it’s purely talent.
bleak grotto
what
main umbra
I do not have the ability to imagine scenes.
shell gulch
I spent years trying to overcome that, to absolutely zero effect.
Well u need a thing called passion
Like I said i hated drawing before but when I got into it
It became a hobby
main umbra
I’ve always loved drawing. I just can’t do it.
Dunno how many hundreds of hours I spent staring at stick men.
shell gulch
Then I just wanted to draw shit everyday because it's fun and i also want other ppl to learn how I draw
shell gulch
I’ve always loved drawing. I just can’t do it.
U can if u know the right path on how to efficiently improve
U dont just
Follow yt tutorials
U try to look at it at ur own perspective
main umbra
… uh, YouTube didn’t exist.
shell gulch
Yes
cyan plover
anyone has this as a gif in high quality? cant find it
main umbra
I read books, which said things like “imagine the scene in your head”.
shell gulch
U just need to get inspiration
main umbra
Sure. A lack of that is why I’m a writer. Yup.
shell gulch
Well if u don't have inspiration that means u lack passion
main umbra
Or maybe it could be that people are different.
shell gulch
Well yes
main umbra
Look. It’s wrong to claim that talent is everything. Almost everyone can learn to do almost everything, to various degrees.
shell gulch
I mean
main umbra
It’s equally wrong to claim that it doesn’t exist.
main umbra
And when I tell people I have aphantasia, usually they have no idea what I mean. Apparently that’s still the case here.
shell gulch
Welp there's only one thing i can say here
main umbra
So I’ll keep using AIs, no matter how scummy that makes me. At least I finally get to see my characters.