🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[ember locust]

Man, Bronya DK is a fraud

https://tenor.com/view/fraud-fraud-alert-gif-10331511155902777493

[desert lily]

Unless it's SD Alien guard with the bleed mobs

[ember locust]

Blood you mean ?

[copper shale]

like im saying with fws as lead, her teammates r more dependent on bosses so, something like badum xdc sw "good on paper" might be trash

[desert lily]

Alien guard boss-

[ember locust]

Mb

[copper shale]

anyways we will see if v4 changes anything otherwise its pretty disappointing lol

[desert lily]

Rip new trio

[copper shale]

i would have been more okay if they didn't try to touch playstyle as well

but they touched everything

[ember locust]

"pretty dissappointing" is even an euphemism here

Fraud is more appropriate

[ember locust]

Guess I'll have to see if I absolutely pull for DK or if I could just go away with Younyun S or SS

[desert lily]

HoHe the only stellar key with three AR tags

[copper shale]

youyun has to be ss+, s is not real lol

and then dkey base +1 is 10 atk

so there's that

[desert lily]

No SS Youyun = demoot to sinful

[fervent hinge]

and still garbij

[desert lily]

SW is worse than her right now

[fervent hinge]

yea cuz sw is old as fuck, bio, and world star it doesnt get much worse than that

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

i mean her v2 was pretty monkaS

its just really big nerf

[fervent hinge]

on sw dkey?

[copper shale]

yes

[fervent hinge]

nerf again v3 for worst dkey in history gg go next

I wonder what the actual worst dkey is

[copper shale]

she straight up takes like some paralyze from helia, takes ice benares from below ss hle, on par in terms of raw dmg output with new valks for being at s0+1 (not that sw ranks do a lot)

but she now lost all of that

[fervent hinge]

huhh

paralyze?

how the fuck?

[copper shale]

just dmg go brr

don't even need the weather buff

and beat helia

[fervent hinge]

bruh

thats a bit ass

[desert lily]

Rip PAWS

[copper shale]

well thats the past now

[fervent hinge]

it sounds like it was op tho

[copper shale]

yes

[fervent hinge]

nerf sounds justified

[copper shale]

well she now is the worst

[fervent hinge]

prob just buff a bit in v3 and everything is well

well that was at S0 right

[desert lily]

V4*

[fervent hinge]

realistically the comparisons should be S2 minimum

S2 actually does something

rest is just a bit of bullshit

[copper shale]

its kinda whatever atp

[desert lily]

Mostly attack

[fervent hinge]

yeah the atk can make a very noticeable difference

[ember locust]

V3 is so wrong that V4 needs to be a miracle at this point

[fervent hinge]

oh v3 exists?

[desert lily]

Yes

[copper shale]

rn is v3

[ember locust]

As @desert lily said

[fervent hinge]

wait v1 is private isnt it lmfaooo

forgot

[desert lily]

Smh

[fervent hinge]

so v2 op and v3 giga nerf?

[desert lily]

Yes

[copper shale]

yup

[fervent hinge]

ok got it

[ember locust]

Yes

[fervent hinge]

v4 buff pls

[copper shale]

i do hope they stop doing such dramatic changes tho

can we have valks that like stable

[fervent hinge]

yeah that sounds crazy

[naive briar]

lol just touched SW now why am I doing less damage

[ember locust]

V3 is shit

[copper shale]

u need to pay dawai 10 million

and gain access to secret code to enter into the gsme

[ember locust]

*billions

[somber egret]

Dawei is taking his revenge for bronya kicking him out of mihoyo

[naive briar]

Can I take revenge from you

[somber egret]

[ember locust]

@copper shale Meme time

[desert lily]

[ember locust]

[glass nacelle]

I mean, Hoh dkey wasn't good at first, but they still nerfed it in later versions

[naive briar]

Dawei has arse gacha luck tho

[copper shale]

its the gamer code to do 5 billion dmg

[ember locust]

☠️🥲 Why did you have to make me nervous like that, Piyo

In the fr chan 🥲🥲

[desert lily]

[naive briar]

I didn't say anything ._.

[limpid glacier]

How bads the nerf

[atomic coral]

riches to rags

[ember locust]

TwT I was thinking you were going to beam me so I deleted my meme

[limpid glacier]

[ember locust]

We call her 007

0 DPS without Younyun SS
0 Support viability
7 ways to be a fraud

[limpid glacier]

[ember locust]

I'm not even joking

[limpid glacier]

[ember locust]

She's so bad that even her Trio with Mei and Kiana might not work

[limpid glacier]

There's a v4 right

[naive briar]

Younyun SS do appear more important compared to v2

[twin dune]

Was HoH really that weak?

I mean on release we ignore dkey

[ember locust]

Yes in support, only good in DPS

[twin dune]

Ah

Isn t she a good grail suport?

[ember locust]

She's decent

Not the worst, not the best

[twin dune]

What about lebronya so far?

[ember locust]

Fraud

[twin dune]

Why s that?

[ember locust]

Yes yes I said it

F r a u d

https://tenor.com/view/firefly-firefly-hsr-hsr-honkai-star-rail-vrchat-gif-10407689361532431174

[limpid glacier]

Da wei mean he has it out for her

[twin dune]

I assume she s gonna be a "budget" suport for kiana loa?

I wanna get bronya for badum just for trio team

[ember locust]

I don't even know if her Trio is gonna work, even her support is ass

[twin dune]

I mean both meilon and lebronya can suport loa
Maybe da wei buffs SW

[limpid glacier]

Anyone compiled the nerfs yets

[twin dune]

She s getting nerfed?

[ember locust]

SW is so bad that V4 has to be a miracle at this point so she could leave the fraud area

[atomic coral]

was good in v2, got omega nerfed in v3

[limpid glacier]

Should not have had my hopes up that v2 was too good to be true

[twin dune]

.... I was actually thinking of trying to pull for it after i get mei weapon

I mean dkey is dkey + 10 attack

But dkey not as good if character not as good

[limpid glacier]

🎣 that whole patch

[twin dune]

Fish?

[limpid glacier]

Bait

[twin dune]

Ah

[ember locust]

The whole patch has to be bait for the next spending patch

I swear

[limpid glacier]

Its just a trend now that out of 5 dks most will be dog water

[twin dune]

Spending after dkey that is after spending???

[twin dune]

How s luna s?

[limpid glacier]

B2b spending

[feral epoch]

spending after topup event

[ember locust]

Most ? Naaah HoRb was at least good, Kiana HoFi was nice and Luna is actually great

[limpid glacier]

I'm mourning ☹️

[twin dune]

Rebirth is pretty much time stop in MA

[limpid glacier]

Sw and hohe fighting who is the saddest dk

[twin dune]

I m not sure if i m using the best suports but she takes awhile in physical abyss with vita/badum and HLE for the 6k stages

Kiana literally doubled the trio s power and enables HoO to dps which is pretty funny. And she s amazing for vita who bruteforces some weathers

[limpid glacier]

In v4 we trust

[twin dune]

i ll be honest HoH without SO sucks

[limpid glacier]

She is just like her old self

[twin dune]

MPE was good wdym

[ember locust]

Say no more I have the meme

[limpid glacier]

No I mean with out the dk

[ember locust]

I made it

[twin dune]

Ah yeah she was HORRIBLE outside ult

That charged attack couldn t even do some decent damage while you got SP

[limpid glacier]

You just charge attacking until it pops 😭

[twin dune]

My favorite divine key aside from abyss flower doodoo

Is star of eden

[limpid glacier]

Tickling the boss

[twin dune]

HoR was my ice dps even after HoH. I only stopped using HoR after i got HoH dkey because she got that bad and now i have HLE

i feel like senti died fast tbf

And mei.... Mei is good in sim battles

[main goblet]

what in the doom central isn happening in this chat rn
does someone have a v3 vs v2 difference video or smth
i also wanna know what happened to youyun

[ember locust]

SW DK is a fraud

Youyun is not a fraud

For the rest idk much

[obsidian berry]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[main goblet]

me want video

[main goblet]

how bad

[limpid glacier]

Wow just number decrese and more number decreas but me want video too

[main goblet]

well nerf is to be expected but i want to see the performance difference tbh

also honestly all the v2 vids made her look wayy to op, she did need a nerf

im not sure about youyun tho

[rain isle]

Why are we calling Bron a fraud?

Bron is wholesome and cute, we luv Bron

[gleaming imp]

Tldr apparently dkey got nerfed to hoh dkey level

[rain isle]

Apparently?

No vid about comparison or smth?

[gleaming imp]

I've just been reading chat

[rain isle]

Bru

[rancid plank]

Hopefully v4 fixes it enough I can justify synx 2 Bronya

[limpid glacier]

Still waiting

[main goblet]

not interested in youyun?
or is this for prism farming

[steep axle]

ok so what good would me getting youyun be if i don't have rita and my only WS valk is HoRb

[muted mauve]

maybe think of increasing your Valkyrie options first

[steep axle]

i dont want rita and its too late to get sena

and my sw s0

i dont have the blond aop too

[muted mauve]

Sena is free next patch

[steep axle]

im broke no weapon

[muted mauve]

battlepass

[steep axle]

i aint paying for that

i just spent 9 balls on s3 HoRb

[muted mauve]

F2P pass

[steep axle]

ill probably get the blonde girl from bp can she cover for HoRb and sena

[old zinc]

What’s different in V3?

[glass nacelle]

pins

[muted mauve]

miyoushe didn't post the beta patch notes

[tender grotto]

where

i dun have to pay for wp?

cap

[glass nacelle]

idk what's the point of post

[abstract night]

How many balls?

12?

Or ...20

[steep axle]

ball

i think its 10

[abstract night]

Oh. Nice

[ember locust]

P2 :

Weap : 20 balls
Stamps : 4 balls per piece
Valk : 32 balls

P1 :

Valk : 24 balls
Weap : 10 balls
Stigs : 8 balls per piece
Stamps : 3 balls per piece

@steep axle Also you can farm HoRb stamps in PWO shop

[rain isle]

I need moar HoRB stamps

Gib me

[muted mauve]

next patch

[shrewd socket]

Senas wep is 10 in reserve

[steep axle]

im broke

[ember locust]

Wait wait did you just say 10 in Reserve ☠️☠️☠️

Oh wait right

She has already been in BP

[abstract night]

Thanks

[muted mauve]

Hey that's not fair why are there 2 cores

[shrewd socket]

always have been

[desert lily]

[still vine]

[glass nacelle]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1dkAWzQE9h

Kek

[copper shale]

sw who

[copper shale]

eggony

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1118897001942233151/1477694408978599936/39842B73E27C62779D21E3EA046E0125.gif

but where rita

[nova osprey]

Imma gamble the 5 tix i got on rita banner, surely i get her

[prisma tartan]

on the first pull trust

[muted mauve]

[obsidian berry]

https://tenor.com/view/sakhuira-honkai-honkai-impact-sakura-sakura-yae-gif-25770308

[copper shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087728190539169892/1484734849603469323/a0e4a7f2d7ca7bcbfb0e7d32f8096b63f724a8a7.gif

imejin skippping in 2026

[feral epoch]

true

[glass nacelle]

【【测试服V3】爱圣直接抢下顶分！满配爱赫科批发战场千劫47872！-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/CIP4rTm

Sw who

[desert lily]

Elybad

[copper shale]

well that score sw cant do

[desert lily]

Kalpass MA?

[copper shale]

yea

now loses to hle

[desert lily]

[noble cobalt]

solo mei on the mob stages in abyss is so fun LMAO

[obsidian berry]

Sw v3 visual update is big

[glass nacelle]

【【测试服v3】彻底杀死比赛！李月科六秒sss千劫47888分-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/fe1Xx7V

[still vine]

[old zinc]

I just realized this is not gacha salt

[naive briar]

deleted for now

[old zinc]

Oh ok, I didnt delete it cause I forwarded it to the other channels but I wasnt sure if deleting it would make the forward disappear too

Now I know

https://tenor.com/view/now-you-know-the-more-you-know-no-kidding-no-shit-obviously-gif-1342210079425559607

[naive briar]

forward is a copy function. that's why people forward like crazy when someone do stupid things

[old zinc]

Ah

[desert lily]

[prisma tartan]

smh

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDsAhUHbwAAyMR3.gif

[golden hull]

hey everyone, do we know who is the next returnee supply? rn its lazy theresa and her supply has 35 days left. whos the next one ? vita possibly ?

[desert lily]

Likely Vita yes

If going by release order

[glass nacelle]

@copper shale https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ydA7zUE2K

Tldr this vid

[golden hull]

who would u suggest more? theresa or vita

[desert lily]

Neither really tbh- both have very rare use cases now I believe

[glass nacelle]

Just ignore it and pull current banner

[golden hull]

im not spending on returnee supply ofc but i wanna save my free daily ones if i can

for vita

[desert lily]

Can you even save the returnee pulls? Idk if they expire or not actually

[golden hull]

idk aswell. but returnee event and supply stays for 2 months

im not talking about the returnee pull currency btw. im talkin about the 24 hourly reset free pull. i will see if i can save the last 5 for vita

[obsidian berry]

regions war tournament when

[copper shale]

i saw

[glass nacelle]

Tldr

[golden hull]

what is this about?

[glass nacelle]

cc war probably

[copper shale]

【【测试服v3】彻底杀死比赛！李月科六秒sss千劫47888分-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/AhC29t0

[copper shale]

nah main thing was addressing dumb comments basically

but still gotta be loa, sw looks ded in ma completely

maybe low rank something changes but doubtful

feels like low rank only gonna be worse

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1478396308191449181/1480081958745935923/1189124593030545418.webp

[limpid glacier]

Girl definitely needs a buff at v4 💔 they nerfed her too hard

[copper shale]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1vmAAzZEMp/?spm_id_from=333.788.top_right_bar_window_dynamic.content.click&vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9

looks like cant beat hohe at all

s3+1 hohe

aganist hellmaru

[glass nacelle]

Nice description

[copper shale]

is a guess anyways

but she saying to pull +1 and just run

if u dont need the atk

ig thats nirb bounce advice

for cn

[glass nacelle]

Don't think she's good at loa

[copper shale]

nope

[glass nacelle]

Even badum

[copper shale]

so like real question is

what bosses as dps does she have and that like how much better

hoc just use ps

[glass nacelle]

Hp loss stuff

[copper shale]

ig like the 2 then yea

well who else other than clock has hp loss again

not that hp loss is a thing u want to have here

[nova osprey]

Wardens?

[copper shale]

cuz boss bugged

wat type is warden

[desert lily]

Typeless

[copper shale]

feels like just gonnna get stomped by hle

[desert lily]

Yes

[glass nacelle]

hoh

[copper shale]

or dat

[desert lily]

SSS+3 HoHe?

[copper shale]

idk maybe dont even need that

[glass nacelle]

She has a little hp loss effect

only SO

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

look s0+1 bronya basically cant compete with that score
s2+ probs still doesnt change
cuz this is a s3 hohe, which everyone is like ss3 now

feels like kalpas only

[nova osprey]

What if i sss onya

[copper shale]

then u just sleep on taht one waether

[nova osprey]

[copper shale]

u do sss+3 bronya i do sss+3 hohe

[nova osprey]

[copper shale]

[glass nacelle]

Kalpas ew

[desert lily]

We'll have to see what changes happen in v4

[copper shale]

i mean what else left

[nova osprey]

Cant +3 im not whel enough

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

unfortunate treatment

good animation and playstyle

mainly playstyle

is basically new valk

[desert lily]

Then nerfed to the ground

[nova osprey]

Omega buff on release trust

[desert lily]

[young prairie]

hi, i hope its okay to ask

is the CN calendar over at marisa impact finalized?

i joined during v8.5 and the calendar eventually during then, updated (and spooked me) to show HoFi + HoHE's DLC among other banners, so I was wondering if there is gonna be anything similar to that again for v8.7

mainly cause i wanna decide either prepping for a surprise DLC rerun again (hopefully rebirth's) or just going for FWS on carnival

[copper shale]

cn patch still going so it can't be

we just 4 weeks behind

so we only see stuff 4 weeks ahead

[ember locust]

One DK for only one boss

Again...

[copper shale]

hohe did have a couple more tho

tank, kasumi, benares again, heph

[young prairie]

ah! thank you, i didnt know how far behind we were so thats really helpful. how long are versions in hi3? do they have a fixed X amt of weeks too? or does it vary

[ember locust]

Guess I can go for S2/SS HLE or SS Younyun

SW so ass... i can't believe it

[copper shale]

its like 8/9/10, idk for this patch, but maybe 6 more weeks ig left?

[copper shale]

10 atk is still good

ss youyun is a must

[young prairie]

between 8/9/10 weeks?? 🥹 thats a lot of variations but thank you!!

[copper shale]

it used to be more fixed

but yea

[flat inlet]

How bad is sw dlc really?

[desert lily]

Feel like we could expect an 11 week patch at least once

[ember locust]

☠️ Only owns Kalpas boss, cannot even beat HoHe on Hellmaru

Her trio might not even work

[copper shale]

oh right theres ice clock

[desert lily]

Even then HLE takes kalpass

[copper shale]

thats ma

abyss probably still sw

[desert lily]

Abyss different?

[copper shale]

actually

[desert lily]

Ah

[ember locust]

Yees

[copper shale]

i havent had a check up on that

but yeah u prob need whel hle to beat it

[flat inlet]

💀
Not receiving my pulls atm then ig

[desert lily]

HLE FDD PS/PAWS was ok on ranged kalpass

[ember locust]

"probably", DK so ass that even this is questionnable

[copper shale]

well, that i cannot dispute

[ember locust]

I mean 10 ATK is still good

[desert lily]

There's also still v4

[copper shale]

yes

[lone grove]

v3 was yesterday right?

Any changes or no

Im too lazy to translate patch note myself

[smoky lintel]

needed SW nerf but nerfed her a bit too hard

[plucky cradle]

is new dkey bad now without youyun

[ember locust]

"Theses four players were such monsters after wiping their own colony, they ended up stalemating in a situation that would famously become known as the four ways deadlock of poop party of P2"

||A joke meme but we never know||

[abstract night]

She doesnt even have a trio

[smoky lintel]

she has some extra fws passive, we all should really just chill though v4 will prob fix her a bit

oop wrong reply

[copper shale]

even if wasnt nerfed, its a night and day between having youyun or not

[ember locust]

She was supposed to have a working trio with FWS and XDC, that is if she wasn't nerfed and sent to Brazil

[abstract night]

U need youyun?

[ember locust]

Yes, SS even

[abstract night]

Nice

[copper shale]

hohe honestly fine, lamp is sad yea, but teri got worst treatment

[abstract night]

Ill stick with ss sera

[copper shale]

altho yeah with sw dkey now, idk, teri maybe better than sw

[ember locust]

Who would fit in the deadlock meme otherwise in P2

[copper shale]

dno, i dont follow memes and stuff

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1312747378855510098/1447199668202115182/c16b97e0093750a7.gif

[ember locust]

Ngl it's just something I created for joke purpose

But the Deadlock reference is a real thing from JJK

[copper shale]

the only thing i been watching is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087608112506216518/1469327759129182248/1770295328994.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1478396308191449181/1480081959156715520/923325147543396413.webp

[ember locust]

Fair enough

[abstract night]

Theres dudu
Whos an awful support ..like..everywhere besides the niche hyper specific bosses made for her to support in

And pt1 support

Ig

[plucky cradle]

humans what is Quantum Mech Energy

[sonic wolf]

SW dk so trash

Can not even top score on her boss in MA

[copper shale]

her ma is dead

not even about top score probably

just no score

[sonic wolf]

Kalpas is her only boss right?

[copper shale]

nah ppl alr used ps to sop score it right, so i expect even low ranks, its prob still ps

[sonic wolf]

[copper shale]

but u mean the new ma bosses? yea kalpas only new addition?

i dont rmb

[sonic wolf]

Who is new addition

[copper shale]

wut im saying i dont recall any other new bosses other than kalpas, so idk if theres more

[sonic wolf]

Ah

[rain isle]

Alo frens

How's Apho Bron looking?

[copper shale]

not so hot

[somber egret]

back to retirement home

[rain isle]

Ye I remember about peeps speaking about mega nerf or smth, is there v2 and v3 comparison?

[alpine mulch]

Wait should I be farming Silver Wing ranks right now?

[sonic wolf]

Even if they nerfed her dk ..whales will still pull anyway

[sonic wolf]

Yeah why not

[copper shale]

its only atk for her ranks but like yea basically

no one else to farm anyways

[alpine mulch]

Is there a particularly strong rank that she has?

[sonic wolf]

Ss1 iirc

[alpine mulch]

ooof Im pretty far off that

[sonic wolf]

No sss SW demote to ago4 tho

[rain isle]

[alpine mulch]

[sonic wolf]

I hope they didn't nerf youyoun

[rain isle]

Oh actually, did youyun get any changes?

[alpine mulch]

[rain isle]

I see everyone talking about Bron nerf, but not much about Youyun

[copper shale]

iirc they swapped some skills around for the ranks, but overall still the same, still very strong

[rain isle]

S HoR

[sonic wolf]

U might as well uninstall

[rain isle]

Oooo did they put anything good in S?

[plucky cradle]

did you happen to download the game yesterday

[alpine mulch]

bruhhh

[copper shale]

moved surplus to s or something, but either way still doesnt change need ss, and everyone is gonna sss

[alpine mulch]

I started in Pt2 release

[somber egret]

Just on dmg stage, is a huge dpr drop
V2 - 51m
V3 - 47m
V3B - 45m

On a whale test team
V2 - 61m
V3 - 53m

[plucky cradle]

that's kinda bricked

[rain isle]

I'll just get S

[naive briar]

rolly cabbage teach me how to do dmg test

[rain isle]

But thank u

[copper shale]

nah, s is brick

if u pulling aop its ss

[naive briar]

before I eat you

[sonic wolf]

Sss or rip

[rain isle]

I never felt the need to pull above S

[alpine mulch]

ik I have a lot of catch up to do still

[rain isle]

Plus I'd rather save for valks

[copper shale]

that means u probably dont need to pull for aops in the first place

[ember locust]

XD You just saw that ? Silverwing became Chickenpoop

[plucky cradle]

is S youyun better than S songque

[ember locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446011203244916747/1484675535383564298/s1_aili_260320130637_01ffc9_30.gif

[rain isle]

I mean, I pull them cause I like the characters (although Teri aop does give more super QTEs lol)

[rain isle]

Oof

Hopefully they increase those numbers a bit before she hits live

[sonic wolf]

Yeah i saw.. she became a fraud valk with her dk

[copper shale]

prob? i dont follow comparisons at s ranks, but like u sohuld just be pulling ss if you are pulling her

[ember locust]

Then HoHe would be the Yuta Okkotsu against Deadlock I guess lol

[feral epoch]

[copper shale]

legit its u pull ss or u just skip for some reason

[rain isle]

I've had that conversation with someone here a bit ago lol

[plucky cradle]

I see her phys support compatibility better than sq's at least

[copper shale]

oh for sure, i mean sonk does nothing for phys

[sonic wolf]

S aop are not worth..if you want to pull an aop u need atleast ss

[feral epoch]

can pull s and pull ss the next patch

[alpine mulch]

What does SSS youyun even give? More ARI or something?

[rain isle]

How so?

[copper shale]

ig yea, but like dats kinda sadge

[feral epoch]

f2p live

[copper shale]

f2p prob just skip bronya dkey

[feral epoch]

forced to pay

[plucky cradle]

bricknya

[willow perch]

Skipnya

[rain isle]

D:

[plucky cradle]

badnya

[rain isle]

Nuuuuuu

[somber egret]

S Youyun is better than SSS Song, but of course best part of Youyun is closing AR early, so forced to get SS

[willow perch]

[plucky cradle]

flopnya filler for omega stromk p2 Saule trust

[copper shale]

for most aops the ari related mechanics is locked at ss, and its what enables multiple SO to be feasible.

[rain isle]

:(

[willow perch]

I don't have Song op so I guess it's not bad in that regard

[copper shale]

i mean like if u never felt the need for more than s, then u can still go ahead to pull that, becuz this means u actually never in a place where the aops mattered too much,
we are saying go ss because we are purely meta

[rain isle]

Ye I don't have her either, so even S youyun will feel like big upgrade in comparison idk

[copper shale]

but thats the wrong kind of comparison to take ngl

[somber egret]

Here Sena clear Reso faster with S Youyun compared to SSS Song, and possible 820+, my run is having fps drop on badum reso

[rain isle]

Why wrong? They both support world star no?

[copper shale]

yes, but like sonk atp is free, but also, u should be viewing not in terms of upgrade from sonk, but from a purely free accesible ds

and also in temrs of what ur bracket needs

liek if ur anything rl, and previously didnt felt the need for ss aops, then that means actually ds is just fine there instead

whether u had the aops or not didnt change too much

[somber egret]

Big Onya is just Rebirth's DLC's DLC now

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

but for nirb and stuff, you def needed ss+ aops

[rain isle]

Ye I'm in RL, I get into Nirv sometimes but idc about it so I drop back down

[copper shale]

right, so really, ur not incentivised to pull aops at all

[willow perch]

The Sealy doesn't concern themselves with whels

[ember locust]

Poopnya

[copper shale]

that is purely meta wise, we dont suggest u to just pull a s aop becuz its not gonna do too much

[rain isle]

Like I said, I pull aops cause I like them, not cause I need them

But ye

[copper shale]

then in that case, did u ever asked anything for recommendation or something, i forgot,
but like if u just like them and only pull for that reason, then the discussion about whether s is good enough is kinda irrelevant

[ember locust]

Soon Bronya AOP instead of playable, just to joke on us

[rain isle]

Nah, I haven't asked for recommendations and the like since I started playing the game 5 years ago lol

I was merely curious about why was ss necessary and just asked lol

[copper shale]

i see i see

[rain isle]

Plus I'm in glblul, so even less of an actual need for ss+ aops I guess, idk

XD

[copper shale]

more damage or something, i dont rmb exactly
but for us its basically sss

[rain isle]

If you're competitive then no wonder you would suggest higher ranks

[copper shale]

i would say nirb still wants ss aops

[rain isle]

Fair enough

Hopefully devs ramp up bron numbers a bit, but I'll get the dkey anyway XD

[alpine mulch]

15% total dmg taken looks like

[copper shale]

pretty good

[somber egret]

me just do the full Stellar Outburst Rotation, since it's where they do most of their damage

[rain isle]

:o

I remember seeing that youyun allowed dkey Bron to do resonance attacks outside SO, is that possible for all World Star valks os is it because Bron has surplus mechanic?

[somber egret]

It's Bronya skill not youyun

[copper shale]

dat bit is kinda irrelvant because her dmg outside of SO is abysmal

her dmg is in ring, and mainly the frontloaded initial parts of her own reso

[abstract night]

Teri? :(

[somber egret]

S for Skemmed

[rain isle]

Ooooo I see, thank u

[rain isle]

[lone grove]

bruh

[rain isle]

Thank u frens 🍞

[lone grove]

oh this is horrible...

[rain isle]

So like, Bron was op before but they axed her damage too much?

Sorry for asking, I was just not informed about this beta much lol

[abstract night]

Her main thing is at S which is the extra stellar shift so

[smoky lintel]

yeah

[rain isle]

:(

Bron getting shafted again

She deserves more love

[somber egret]

BronSeele retirement too

[abstract night]

Dont all valks go through this?

[rain isle]

Idk

Or rather idr lol

[copper shale]

its the degree of nerf

[rain isle]

Muh BronSeewe :((((

[copper shale]

she experienced a worse nerf than 7t

[abstract night]

damn

[rain isle]

here's hoping the peeps who got into the beta ask for some buff

[somber egret]

v3.999
||more nerf||

[rain isle]

Seele should ask for Bron buffs

[naive briar]

[naive briar]

[copper shale]

is more preferable to actually do the abyss cycles tho

other than the obvious factor of how transition affects the rotation and the ari

sus ani/tf can also affect boss timings

and that might mean x team comp does better purely becuz of that

[rain isle]

It do be like dat sometimes

[copper shale]

well its more about saying, dmg tests dont really show much

[rain isle]

I show luv to all of u peeps here

[strange crystal]

How is bronya right now as Support? I heard she was nerfed real bad as DPS?
Also, she has locked skill right? Maybe she'll be super duper mega op support when it's unlocked

[copper shale]

who knows

but as support right now she is pretty ded

[strange crystal]

She has passive with Seele, and FWS DPS w/ XDC right?

[copper shale]

prob has something with seele no idea, but the part with fws and xdc is not strong

the thing about fws is her bosses changes the team quite a lot

[strange crystal]

Also she gives surplus? her support kit not enough to bring back past ws valks?

[copper shale]

unlikely she be good as support for ws either

[somber egret]

badum not running with sd trigger unit

[desert lily]

Could use FWS XDC SW on non SD if Hoyo feels like running any of those bosses

[somber egret]

which badum weather has no sd

[desert lily]

Tank, Andrius, Homu King
All Flux

Tank you'd likely run HoHe though

[somber egret]

ahhh the forgotten ones

[desert lily]

Yeah her forgotten Flux weather's since they love rerunning god damn Sa

[shrewd socket]

wasn't Flux tank RS?

[desert lily]

Was in 8.1

So either or

[shrewd socket]

i said just RS not 8.0

[desert lily]

Ah

RS or FWS all I know with HoHe support

[rain isle]

D:

[abstract night]

8.1 iirc

I remember using badum vita hoh

[desert lily]

Some used RS dps also

Even if it was meant for Badum

[abstract night]

She is LoA too

I wasnt saying that only badum could do it

[desert lily]

Yes

[abstract night]

Thats HLE's boss

[desert lily]

HLE-

[abstract night]

In which u either have hle or u cry

And sleep

[desert lily]

Paros?

[abstract night]

Ya

Rime sd and execute sd bar 😔

[desert lily]

Plus has a skill where SD enemies don't stay in pink hp long

[noble cobalt]

does anyone have an idea of who can brute force this abyss

my vita is weaponless

[desert lily]

PAWS

[rain isle]

Helium

[limpid glacier]

V4 buff please again 🙏

Seele save broyna

Tell da wei

[rain isle]

@ dawei

[winter dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/868985715378225183.webp?size=96&animated=true

[timid bolt]

uhhh HoOr

or uhh.

badum works too.

[rain isle]

[obsidian berry]

Breaking news: bron CEO in shambles, dawei takes over the company, v4 ultra nerf coming

[still vine]

[uneven loom]

my be like: picking SW on the S-rank box and 40 shards short to SSS:

[bitter urchin]

Silverwing SS or Silverwing SSS which one should i target?

What is the difference in damage and is it a lot? With dkey ofc

[obsidian berry]

Save for 8.9

[still vine]

[slate elm]

mfw i see sw being used in every ws team for surplus

and then thinking about lv dkey

[ember locust]

None apparently

[bitter urchin]

Redlotus > Agony in 2 fights haha

[bitter urchin]

Can you please explain? Isn’t it important in red?

[ember locust]

Just to be dead without SS Youyun

[obsidian berry]

only thing that matters in rl is luck, just get a slacket

[ember locust]

I mean it is, I'm joking with that but for now SW sucks

[slate elm]

there's fights were you do keep outburst in p1 and save it entirely for p2. surplus can still matter there

[abstract night]

Is this nirv+ standards or rl+ standards

Theres no way shes that bad without ss youyun

[still vine]

couldn't be any worse than AOPless HOHE

[slate elm]

it's hard to say because SW ranks don't give much on their own. You do get slight effects and slight atk that do add up

veteran light spending players also had plenty of opportunities to get her frags so she should be SSS by now, but alot of them have also quit

so who knows how SW rank meta standards will be like now, esp for RL where things are even more volatile (people still have unlevelled stuff there)

[ember locust]

• Her "supposed" trio is not working

• Her DPS is really nerfed

• Her supports abilities are really terrible

[uneven loom]

but alot of them have also quit
im still here. the only time im quitting is EoS.

[slate elm]

that's why i said alot. I don't mean all ofc

[still vine]

why does the trio not work

[abstract night]

Isnt xdc a sad LoA support?

Well not sad

More like just average

[ember locust]

SW is sadder than XDC, almost as sad as HoHe

For LoA support

[bitter urchin]

So SW is ass and has no friends?

[abstract night]

Dudu exists

Or was that her only good support..

I dont even remember anything about dudu

[ember locust]

Even Dudu looks decent compared to SW as a support and I'm not even joking

[abstract night]

It could also just be an indirect buff to people who wanna run badum sw xdc
Doesnt mean its her supposed "trio"

[ember locust]

The said buff is nerfed

One of her 2pc effects got removed

[abstract night]

Darn. Less breach

[ember locust]

Pretty much everything has been nerfed between V2 and V3

[abstract night]

Yeah i saw that

[abstract night]

Isnt that what usually happens between betas anyhow

[ember locust]

Ofc but that nerf

Bro

It was one of the most brutal nerf patch of P2

[abstract night]

Its a dkey not a new valk so ._.

[slate elm]

let's just see how live is first. Is it actually here yet?

[abstract night]

I dont think so

[ember locust]

Still, compared to the other DK of P2 she's one of the worst

[abstract night]

What a bar

HoFi
HoH
HoRb
LV
SW
(This is just release order)

[slate elm]

lets. just. see. how. live. is. first.

it's too early to be concluding if she's bad. Keep in mind valk alone is one side of things. The context is the other half that can make valks very relevant when they have no business of being so.

(lmao eden)

[copper shale]

realistically the only thing to discuss is whatever its out current.

if its just waiting to see live, then beta not need to be open entirely

[abstract night]

So ur saying youyun is gonna be he saing grace?

Or am i misunderstanding

[slate elm]

no i just don't know anything yet. It's too early to be making conclusive statements

[copper shale]

like yea we just wait for live in practice but, if people do want to follow up with beta as what this channel kinda is for

[abstract night]

Im gonna pull sw dkey anyhow regardless of its "goodness" cuz i want +10 atk

[slate elm]

i don't mind comments like she's heavily nerf but saying she's the worst dkey is too early

[copper shale]

atm it is kinda the worst, there's a time context

but yeah i agree there's v4 and live adjustments

[slate elm]

that worst is irrelevant when there's possible changes to come

it's just doomposting in my eyes

[copper shale]

but if that worst is irrelevant, then why bother saying anything about dkey at all

[slate elm]

no i don't mean worst in that way

[copper shale]

and like why bother following up how beta changes work

[slate elm]

i feel there's some misunderstanding. People are interested in discussing changes and that's all fine and fun

but there's no conclusion to be made atm. That is all.

[copper shale]

if you rank performance you can kind of say how it is at x stages right,

and obviously its not a end of story nothing changes

[slate elm]

saying she's currently the worst is kinda unfair to say when she's still in beta and being compared to live finalized valks

[abstract night]

The only thing i hope is that i dont need ss youyun for my ws teams

[copper shale]

but like u can compare it with other stuff in beta then no

otherwise what do you compare with

or u just don't compare and that's what you want to say

[slate elm]

ok if you want to be so nitty gritty about this the other angle is this comparison is ridiculous when sw has different niches and use cases from every other dkey user

[copper shale]

like what tho

[feral epoch]

where sw use case

[abstract night]

Kalpas right?

I mean it was her og boss on release

...unless im imagining

[copper shale]

ma wise ps takes it.

abyss wise, she maybe has it.

but then what else

[abstract night]

I heard stuff about ice clock?

When i peeked in this chat a bit ago

[copper shale]

oh i alr forgotten about that, indeed, there is one more

so that makes 2

[slate elm]

i understand the idea of

• a current absolute point in time
• or maybe for respective fields you can say SW is currently the worst out of all other options in beta (but i mean it's not like beta captures all scenarios nor does it have the same ranks as more general players)

but also the tone of the earlier discussion was getting out of hand

and frankly if you want to be highly critical there's better ways to do it than a general statement

[copper shale]

the comparisons were done at s0+1 id say quite capture it

but yeah i wasn't following the tone exactly

[slate elm]

was it? I've only seen SS stuff so far so maybe that's on me then

sometimes beta force ranks at SS idk

[copper shale]

that's just the cc account

[slate elm]

or maybe CCs only ever had access to SS only accounts and not the S.0 ones

[copper shale]

like plenty of other cn cc deliberately has thing at s0 and stuff

[slate elm]

it's really strange since it seems to be a common story

[abstract night]

S0 sw?

[copper shale]

yeah seems like more of a glb/sea kind of thing? their accs r alr wheld

[slate elm]

you would think some CCs would try more to reach for a more relatable S.0 account

[abstract night]

Atleast ss smh

[slate elm]

no i hear this for CN as well but idk

[copper shale]

well theres people out there with s0

[slate elm]

yeah i'm inclined to more believe that overall at this point

not the first time where i feel backstabbed by a CC lol

[copper shale]

【矫枉过正，全s0精1鸭薇希红莲共鸣侵蚀715（测试服v3 545扰动）-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/Wl1GQZb

[slate elm]

ty ty

[feral epoch]

GLB CC uses pre made account for CN beta server (most of the valks already SS or SSS and their aops except the new one on that patch)

CN CC or CN tester uses their own account which if they don't own SS valks then it's either at S0 or even locked valks

[slate elm]

is the horb +1 too?

[copper shale]

ps does basically samw score

[copper shale]

all s0+1

[abstract night]

Compared to S0+1 sw?

I think sw ranks r gonna make a difference

If so*

[copper shale]

yes it will make a difference, but its resonance hoc

[slate elm]

anyway again i don't have any issue with critical point-in-time observations. But i don't approve of concluding or highly exclaiming over something that's due to change.

[copper shale]

point kinda illustrates that, ps without weather buff

does pretty close

in terms of ranks

[abstract night]

In terms of whos ranks?

[abstract night]

What type is HoC?

[copper shale]

ps being s0 and sw being s0

[copper shale]

bio

[abstract night]

Oh neutral

Wait who was HoC even made for

Mecha unit?

[slate elm]

HoC is psy isn't she

[copper shale]

right, i was thinking of bio dps

[slate elm]

yeah

[abstract night]

Oh

[slate elm]

hos dps back then

paws dps recently

[abstract night]

Ohhh

[slate elm]

but also SW herself being s0 is a bit of a weird comparison tbh

[abstract night]

Yeah especially since shes been farmable for a period

...and in dorm

And in the box

[slate elm]

as much as we are uncertain what meta rank she should be now, she prob is higher than that for players actively getting meta relevant stuff affordably

[copper shale]

i mean u can have ranks for sw, but then, for ps teams, people do have more syns and other stuff, like s2+3 fdd, so its quite hard to account for

[slate elm]

idk about s2+3 fdd being a standard lol

maybe +2 because of that mini spending though

[copper shale]

i would say yeah probably s2+1 sw would be a nicer comparison

[slate elm]

yeah at least s2 sw for the independent multi

[copper shale]

but then iirc from other cn creators, they still close

[abstract night]

S3 sw is lead
SS sw is 1 sp when something related to scatter barrier is happening

[copper shale]

it might be rot diff and other factors

but for a weather that specifically shills sw

thats kinda sad to see

[slate elm]

not the first time we've seen that sort of thing but yeah

[abstract night]

The weather will probably get buffed

Sometime

[slate elm]

resonance weather wooo

or maybe that particular boss just won't show up lol

i don't think i would ever shut up about how we got spammed with hellmaru when we could've gotten rpc for hohe

[copper shale]

ig, maybe tho, because the thing im thinking of is like lv with horb summon weather,
then that case, lv still is eating the summon buff.

but ps eats nothing for reso

[slate elm]

i was thinking of lightning guaymas actually

[abstract night]

Ohhh sena and badum

[copper shale]

right now hellmaru sw can't compete with hohe

[abstract night]

Is that bad?

Hellmaru is typeless

[copper shale]

and high rank hle is
the best

[abstract night]

…right?

[copper shale]

hellmaru has mobs psy

[slate elm]

hellmaru also is full of mobs at the start which prob causes problems for sw

oh right type advantage lol

[copper shale]

so she should clear the start slight faster

[slate elm]

i was more thinking of how hohe is more multitarget/aoe?

does sw even have good aoe with her new dkey?

[copper shale]

but thats not an issue of the new sw

[copper shale]

its good aoe

[slate elm]

ah ok then

[abstract night]

Ill be honest
Sw’s ranks r really sad. No new skills besides ss and sss

[slate elm]

it's not really about new skills

[abstract night]

Just like old sw I mean
Like not doomposting

[slate elm]

there's plenty of valks with new skills that aren't notable at all

it's about how much the skill or upgrade actually matters

but yeah sw was historically known to have really shitty ranks

[abstract night]

…ah
Nyx mobius and sw..

[slate elm]

doesn't mobi have a rank that gives her a genesis seed?

[abstract night]

Isnt that sig

[slate elm]

sig too but also ranks i thought

[abstract night]

No

Unless its worded so weirdly

I dont see anything

[slate elm]

hm maybe i'm crazy'

[gleaming imp]

I've only played ss snek, so s0 snek foreign

[abstract night]

Im excited for sw dkey .. i can finally use outstanding attitude

[slate elm]

i thought mobi had a nice rank somewhere...

[gleaming imp]

I wish I had sss snek when starless wolf dropped

[abstract night]

Sss makes enemies take 5% extra tdm..!

[copper shale]

yeah but like see, high rank wise, it matters less to have this kind of discussion if it makes sense

high rank, u whale, u automatically +3, u think less about the "value of crystal" backpull is common if you started late or missed out

low rank, f2p, s0+1, hi i just joined this patch, its where stuff like these comparisons do make more sense

[abstract night]

What newbie would have hoh or ps to use tho

[slate elm]

holy crap what is this two extreme approach. Plenty of players fall in the middle lol

[abstract night]

Hoh with dkey*

[slate elm]

i don't think the extremes are to be neglected but not the middle either

[copper shale]

is that really extreme, i feel like low rank and f2p is not extreme

only extreme part is hi i just started

[slate elm]

low rank are common but so are long term f2p?

i'm not going to say it's a majority

but it's a good enough amount to be concerned with and consider

[copper shale]

long term f2p, is fine too, they also fall in here no

[slate elm]

no they don't. They would have sw ranks

[copper shale]

like s2

[abstract night]

Like me.!

I have ss sw

[ember locust]

What do you call long term ?

Bc you need 10 weeks to farm from S0 to SS and 20 weeks from SS to SSS

[copper shale]

or u mean her being farmable then in that case

[slate elm]

i never whaled for any sw rank and mine is at least ss.0 and can go farther

[copper shale]

given the minimal increases on sw rank

it still doesn't change much

[slate elm]

it could've been more if i worked on sw earlier but i had other priorities so i think it's fair for players to neglect her

but that's also what makes this situation messy

[copper shale]

i would say given her current performance, then its like sss+1 sw comes out tops 20 pts ahead in rl

[slate elm]

just players that have been playing without whaling. Not necessarily started that patch.

[copper shale]

like point is not about how much she does better in her own dps weather too

she doesnt support well enough

[abstract night]

Does kalpas need rime btw?

[copper shale]

yes

[slate elm]

yes

[ember locust]

Yea

[abstract night]

Does sw have rime?

[slate elm]

p2 is all about it after he gets out of that initial state

[copper shale]

tiny

is trash

[abstract night]

So u need rime giver

[copper shale]

yes

hle or thel

most cases hle

[abstract night]

Hows thelema

Sw thelema

[copper shale]

no dmg

because her reso dmg does less than sparkle

and thel is good for fast reso procs

so its not as meaningful

to have fast reso procs

when the reso itself do no dmg

[slate elm]

yeah it's a dps ratio

[copper shale]

and everything about sw is front loaded

and that is why

in almost every vid u saw

[abstract night]

Omg im starting to hate hle ive gotten screwed not owning her so many more times than fdd

[copper shale]

they close ring really fast

but then the devs saw it

and went we don't like to see this

so they wanted to nerf it and make it more backloaded

but then the numbers are still trash

so most of the time ur still doing the same thing

[slate elm]

it's mentioned earlier but this is pretty typical of betas. Go too far to one side, go too far the other, then wind up in the middle

but a tiny adjustment is pretty concerning if PS is already coming close

[abstract night]

I need a more meaningful scale

Thats 1 valk out of 5 ws valks well 6 with sw

[copper shale]

right we not near the middle right now, so like thats why people are saying v4 needs to be kinda miracle

[slate elm]

if vita is anything to go by, i can believe anything tbh

[abstract night]

Whatd vita do

[copper shale]

sparkle reso does basically the smallest dmg of all the reso units

and now sw is smaller than that

[abstract night]

Damn even helias winning?

[slate elm]

that's why i'm so adamant on not doomposting here (but also i don't care if sw wind up trash so maybe i have less stakes here)

[copper shale]

oh i forgot about the a ranks

i have no idea

vbs dont exist to me

[slate elm]

i should clarify i don't think doomposting is specifically against the rules but it isn't appreciated if excessive. We definitely have history of it before in the server

[abstract night]

Oh yeah wasnt that kinda of a reason the vent channel got smacked?

[slate elm]

yeah lol

it even got a humerous title change once

[abstract night]

I never did chat in it lol

[slate elm]

oh the vent chanenl. idk about that one

i think the cn channel itself got smacked once but idr the details

i might be smoking

[abstract night]

Oh

[copper shale]

i mean doompost or whatever, atp we are just rating current performance, and then as for hoping how future turns out or not turn out, yeah u can call that doomposting but

just evaluating the valks current performance to me is fine

[slate elm]

idk what the vent channel to get closed down but since it was permanent it prob was really bad

[abstract night]

What did the cn gameplay channel name change too then?

[slate elm]

again i don't mind if it's critical and detailed

and overall just objective for the point in time

i think that's fair

[abstract night]

Neither do i . Doesnt matter nowadays so

[slate elm]

but some statements earlier were definitely not in spirit of that

[abstract night]

I think its
250% x 3
For 4 triggers

Inital stellar assult is 400%

For some odd reason i feel like sparkle beats vbs.

[slate elm]

hm i wished this was S songque/SSS DS too

i understand why ss youyun is in this video and a no valk patch might justify her more but i still think it's very iffy of a consideration

[copper shale]

nah bro, anything not youyun is fucking dead

[scarlet sapphire]

I was not around at the time, but apparantly this channel got renamed 'Copium Rehab Centre' a couple of times.

[slate elm]

well that's gonna be a decent amount of players that are too poor from pulling mei this patch lol

[copper shale]

its so bad to not have youyun

[slate elm]

yes. i didn't want to say the name lol

i wasn't aware it was multiple times actually

i mainly recall it once

but the point is, we do have history

and not all history is to be repeated. Nothing wrong with being objective and critical, but preemptive general comments that can easily be taken decisively conclusive even if they are not intended to be can be problematic.

[abstract night]

wtf

Thats crazy

Thanks for tellin

Idt it happened in the last 3 years so

[slate elm]

i mean it's just a channel name. Nothing too meaningful on its own, but i suppose it speaks volumes for an official server that's prob more rigid about that stuff

like a change in channel name doesn't change the rules or your permissions to speak in it

but ofc it can create a different atmosphere

tbh at this point i've definitely spoke excessively on the matter. I don't actually think it deserves the volume of what i spoke of it

[slate elm]

i trust in NA slack

but getting into outburst early and ending outburst early is such a big deal in nirv that i'm also ready to get blown out like when chenxue happened

[scarlet sapphire]

I've not been keeping up w/ beta, but is Youyun another "SS or bust" aop?

[slate elm]

SS is where the end outburst early utility is iirc

details are in the pins

https://i.imgur.com/jzzmkvf.png

[vale granite]

SS or demote to Agony ig xdd

[slate elm]

man idk what i'm gonna do about you guys

[vale granite]

No valk to pull though, so ig it's fine

[desert lily]

[slate elm]

guess i'll just lie to rest on my own hill

[desert lily]

I have S-1 SW

[slate elm]

it's pretty funny being so anti gacha op and now winding up with all of them except sera and soon youyun

[copper shale]

yeah that's right, sparkle does 1084% x3 for each teammates, and actually its higher, theres still a couple hundred from other skills

[slate elm]

so i do have my own biases that may not have been justified. idk. I feel i've been pretty objective despite so but who knows

[copper shale]

v2 bronya which i believe v3 did increase it, but not by significant amount was 700% x4
hence bronya reso less dmg than sparkle+ heavy front loaded
means you almost never see her finishing the reso procs from teammates except for when you need that extra bit
because sw lacks ways to add in dmg for sliver

[slate elm]

also i know this topic is long dead but maybe SS mobi was the main rank i was thinking of. eh.

[copper shale]

oh and her out of SO dmg is non existent

so yeah like no youyun just dont play

[slate elm]

oh cool it's another one of those valks lol

[copper shale]

worse than hohe

[copper shale]

yea

[slate elm]

i kinda don't mind those tbh because sub dps is kinda interesting to me sometimes

but it does feel bad

it's more interesting when the subdps is more enabled by scenario rather than in general

[abstract night]

What about ssera

Can i cope with her

[copper shale]

sera is wod

[abstract night]

Thats 22 ari

[abstract night]

Shes ws and wod

[copper shale]

ur jsut cooked

[abstract night]

She still gives 22 ari

[copper shale]

yes but it means nothing compared to even s youyun

ur lacking so much in dmg

[abstract night]

Goddmant

[copper shale]

i mean i can say the same no
but yea

[slate elm]

eh i think you've been fine

[abstract night]

Whos the thelema for sw?

Like HoH needed thelema

[slate elm]

i can believe there's a greater expectation to pull the gacha op due to the lack of a new valk, but also i equally believe there's reasonable expectation to skip, not because of what we generally recommend but more because people just cannot afford it

i'm just repeating myself with all that actually

[copper shale]

hle

[abstract night]

No way

[copper shale]

if u need rime

[slate elm]

i think breath just means damage

we already covered rime earlier

[copper shale]

out of SO?

[abstract night]

Yes

[slate elm]

yeah

[copper shale]

bro that aint real

u just use youyun

[slate elm]

[copper shale]

so u insta ring

afterwards

[abstract night]

U can instaring with s youyun?

[copper shale]

yes

basically almost

theres a slight gap