🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[slate elm]

i'm not too interested in getting into the semantics of tech, glitches, exploits, etc. I'm tired of that from epernay door stuff

i'm sure loosely speaking i can find some agreement but the more it gets discussed the more people have different ideas

[main goblet]

oh yeah.. i never done the door thing

i do like the fdd optimizations though

[slate elm]

it's all game code, we don't know strict dev intentions, and it's all just a sequence of inputs you're pressing regardless of what it really is

[copper shale]

could do a wa a wa 4a into enhanced wa instead as well

[main goblet]

still i don't have the fps for the second breach skip one

[main goblet]

oh is it the same outcome?

[slate elm]

breach skip?

breath?

[copper shale]

point is just dont do any moves with sus ani or tf basically

[slate elm]

i don't have the fps either. I have to skip all breath holds if i want to go for the enhanced WA priming

[main goblet]

oh okay

[copper shale]

not always useful anyways, u could do full breath, then weap into 4a wa 4a wa ult, your next enhanced wa out of ring still eats the buff

[main goblet]

she does have a skill to toggle off tf but i never turned it off

[main goblet]

oh yeah i did this

i thought i had to attempt weaving the followed up attack only to cancel it with weap though

[slate elm]

can also squeeze in jump basic cancels during outburst time too but idk how any of this compares

i prob should actually look at attack multipliers more

[copper shale]

jump basic unless saves you full part from 4a to enhanced wa is a bait

[main goblet]

i have never did jump basic so i have to try first

[slate elm]

i'm having slight trouble reading that but basically if you're not removing a 4a to enhanced WA, it's not worth doing jump basics in outburst?

[main goblet]

reminds me of vita's a jump a jump a

[copper shale]

ehh if it doesn't save you the enhanced wa in ring to just ult at 2 stacks, its prob not worth it

[slate elm]

ok i see

[copper shale]

at least when i tried, it wasn't, and for most of the times i tried jump a it was a loss

[slate elm]

yeah i've only considered jump WAs if i need less than a full string's worth of damage

but now i'm speaking more general outside of outburst too

other times i do it as filler when filling up ARI because i'm using teri op instead of CX

[copper shale]

a wa a wa feels good

out of ring

[slate elm]

it's alot more interesting than just mashing one button that's for sure lol

[copper shale]

does slightly better for me

[slate elm]

yeah after watching what kyoshiro did i'll prob have to revisit and play with it more

[steep axle]

[copper shale]

oh also if breath skip into wa ult out of ring doesn't kill and you do more than a wa, (say a jump a jump a)
then maybe try something with delaying the refresh

its fine if no hold out of ring wa a ult a wa kills, points drop a ton if the a wa doesn't kill cuz buff alr ran out as when you ring u get buff immediately and also the refresh occurs lot sooner,

but stuff all depends on when you ring, if you ring super early then you could try doing full breath and weap into two full strings into another full string out of ring, a later buff but you do get to delay the refresh which is more dmg.

but yeah it changes a lot depending on when you ring

[rain isle]

[glass nacelle]

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Nice ds run

[exotic tree]

any info when ch 11EX released?

[glass nacelle]

Next thursday

[feral epoch]

slow

[still vine]

[rain isle]

[obsidian berry]

Bita in 2026

[gleaming imp]

That’s a guranteed +100 for my ss2 vita

[willow perch]

🅱️o🅱️a in 2026

[desert lily]

[agile badge]

they dont give divine key box in spending event anymore

[smoky lintel]

They still do in mini spendings just like before

[glass nacelle]

still old team

[shrewd socket]

don't they give dkey box through events when it's big spending?

so they do still give it

[glass nacelle]

They never put it

[limpid glacier]

Still no en beta must wait for next week

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[obsidian berry]

1h beta

[glass nacelle]

10m

[main goblet]

1 min

[limpid glacier]

1 sec

[stable timber]

100ms

[prisma tartan]

0

[main goblet]

negative infinity

[limpid glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/running-explosion-gif-21340471

En beta

[prisma tartan]

big bang

[limpid glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/big-bang-stars-gif-14806439

[glass nacelle]

BTRCTAZXX33X
JTQVTSGWF2K3
3S8UAAGEE327
NBQVSAHEEKLT
ET9UTBGFWK4X

[willow perch]

Thanks, I now have enough xtals to purchase another Bugatti

[untold marsh]

Bugatti Kurikawa skin would probably sell weirdly well

[ember locust]

https://tenor.com/view/bugatti-chiron-bugatti-car-cars-hypercars-gif-16342173

[noble cobalt]

Imagine telling someone 2 years ago that this is an actual team you can use

[rain isle]

[ember locust]

Me but with HoHe Thelema Vita 🤣🤣

[shrewd socket]

that one screenshot of HoFs HoS HoHE in the playstore

[gleaming imp]

Pure TC dmg team for LV shill

Idk how hard horb or HoH hits as a support in that team

[desert lily]

Not better than FDD, FWS, and XDC I would guess

[scarlet sapphire]

I was going to suggest that team for a mech type counter boss, but then I remembered the only one was Kasumi (i.e. Fire/Ice only)

I guess you could try it for type counter side stages lol

[feral epoch]

sidegrade

[desert lily]

Yeah should be fine on side stages but certain bosses

[steep axle]

How does this even work

does this mean sw meta

[copper shale]

nice cn gameplay

but this is how

[steep axle]

Thats crazy

Wait i had sw weapon i can try that

[copper shale]

her weapon doesn't matter a lot here

[glass nacelle]

Nice cn gameplay

[copper shale]

thx

just gimme ur acc

and top up 80k xtals before giving

[glass nacelle]

[glass nacelle]

nice lightning stage

[rain isle]

Mei

[glass nacelle]

well we have to use 2 SO in rl now

[copper shale]

wheres ur ss1 vita

[somber egret]

You'd probably like the other Coralie too over Finality

[main goblet]

dist too high?
glb should be enough with 1 SO

[main goblet]

nice poop

[rain isle]

[copper shale]

have to tap on it, otherwise poop as well for me

[desert lily]

It poop for everyone

[quick river]

new version when

[still vine]

in like 2 weeks apparently

[feral epoch]

card game

[noble cobalt]

part 1 astral ring valks almost outnumber part 2 astral ring valks 3:1

2 more patches until its official

[somber egret]

[prisma tartan]

[steep axle]

U sure u want my acc

Not even that 80k can save me atp

[steep axle]

It doesnt work for me too now the hell

[copper shale]

bro u not cn im not talking to u

[glass nacelle]

Well no AO so a cora doesn't work

[rancid plank]

Coralie 1, Helia1, Sena, Thelema, Lamp, Sonq, Cora2, Helia2

Simp, Vita, Hofi, Dudu, Badum, HoHE, sushang, Ely, Horb, Rita, Mei, Luna.

Even if we count dkey valks it’s pretty even?

8 to 10. And if we get rid of dupes it’s 6 to 7/8

It’s def not 3 to 1

[abstract night]

2:3
For every 2 pt2 valks theres 3 pt1
Frfr

[muted mauve]

it's been worse than a 1/3 ratio after the initial p2 launch

Main Valk releases since 7.7: 2/8/1 [P2|P1|Collab]
All releases (S/A/DK) since 7.7: 2/12/1 [P2|P1|Collab]

Year 2 only:
Main Valk releases (8.1-8.6): 2/4
All releases (S/A/DK - 8.1-8.6): 2/6

[frozen cobalt]

sera valk when

maybe youyun

[muted mauve]

wait I forgot to put Luna DK in my data

[main goblet]

vita is the p1.5
so where is luna? p1?

[muted mauve]

First Luna was P1 so yes

[main goblet]

oh okay

[feral epoch]

why p1

[rain isle]

[glass nacelle]

Mei support for hrb : worse dmg than badum in both arc and SO. Only resonance dmg is bigger

Slower than badum too

[vale granite]

@fervent hinge would love this information

[fervent hinge]

doesn't make a difference to me, I just need to know if she's better than hfi

[atomic coral]

"I don't need mei to win, I just want hofi to lose"

[vale granite]

(Syn3 HoFi that is)

[glass nacelle]

I mean hfi issue is just drain not buff

[glass nacelle]

Arc, left mei, right badum

SO

Finish

[desert lily]

I'm probably gonna be forced to use Mei and Badum on HoRb team

Or well not really- but I hope Mei is better than Elybad

[glass nacelle]

No vita 🧱

[desert lily]

I started on the final week of 7.9
Wasn't worth it to pull her on reruns

[smoky lintel]

should've started at the start of 7.9 smh

then her first rerun would've been worth

[desert lily]

I didn't get my phone till Christmas

[smoky lintel]

[glass nacelle]

It might be due to my S2 Vita, but the difference is quite big without Vita

[desert lily]

Been running HLE FWS for HoRb DPS

[rain isle]

Seewe

[smoky lintel]

nah they're shilling her even in HoRbs kit with some smol buffs only being active when she has phys breach, and breach is still nice

vita is just really good for her rn

time for new WS breach support

[desert lily]

Vita good in WS in general

[desert lily]

Hopefully

Would like a new one for WS and WoD

[smoky lintel]

sena is pretty hard to beat in WoD

unless they give that new valk like insane buffs

[desert lily]

Me doesn't have Sena

[desert lily]

[glass nacelle]

Look like except sena only roo users have breach

[desert lily]

I'm stuck with VBm for RoO aka just FDD dps

[shrewd socket]

at least you have PAWS

[desert lily]

[main goblet]

sena dkey and she gives ws full revival

[obsidian berry]

Fck it random hov dk

[sacred tiger]

hey, is new mei out on cn servers? if so is she good with kiana?

[obsidian berry]

cora/kiana/ely are her best supports

[desert lily]

They're asking for if Mei is good for Kiana dps

[obsidian berry]

nein

[smoky lintel]

Kiana is a pretty good Mei support, she's just generally a good support but Mei having that extra passive is also pretty nice. Idt there have been any scenario where you'd use Mei as a fws support for now, though maybe she could be useful for bio mobs on the mobbing boss stage

[desert lily]

We'll have to see

[abstract night]

Wb as a ws support?

[muted mauve]

I- I accidentally threw a hunter below ground?

[desert lily]

[muted mauve]

I was having them jump on top of me (transformed onto table prop) and they suddenly clipped under ground

[desert lily]

[muted mauve]

start of match requirement

[desert lily]

That looks like the restaurant we run in 8.2 a little bit

[muted mauve]

ye

[desert lily]

[still vine]

wow that event was so ass

[desert lily]

I liked it

[frank token]

same i found it really fun

[still vine]

I don't even play most events anymore because the rewards just aren't worth the time they take to grind for

[muted mauve]

The vita one was better (dragged her half the map) but I wasn't recording

[main goblet]

idk this hide and seek game looks unpolished but that's very funny

im sure those who glitch too find it funny

[prisma tartan]

why are u a table

owh hide ans seek

[gleaming imp]

New event is prop hunt?

[prisma tartan]

chibi glith always funny to me

[desert lily]

You can drag the seekers

[next echo]

This is so cute

[glass nacelle]

[rain isle]

Like u 🍞

[copper shale]

hofi good

[limpid glacier]

Depends on the event type

[still vine]

[limpid glacier]

Statt grinding get back to work

[still vine]

[viral maple]

ahooyy

[glass nacelle]

[obsidian berry]

⚡

[flat inlet]

Does new mei work well as a ba dum support?

[shrewd socket]

yes

how good it will depend on the boss

[flat inlet]

Noted Ty!

[glass nacelle]

https://b23.tv/1qBnf2n

[clear vigil]

[glass nacelle]

if only mei is sd

[copper shale]

true

[main goblet]

its ok she can give it to elysia or kiana

[desert lily]

[muted mauve]

They got the combo too fast

[desert lily]

Hopefully news for Chapter 11ex soon

[obsidian berry]

News: they took the notebook away

[desert lily]

I remember that and that was rude of them to do

[obsidian berry]

So they start off the year of horse in the 1st day of work

[desert lily]

Mei shill

[rain isle]

[glass nacelle]

New stage

Goodbye tank stage

[desert lily]

Damn

[mossy escarp]

Too bad still fire ganesha side stage kek

[glass nacelle]

Dxy moment

[copper shale]

nice ice dmg

[glass nacelle]

No chenxue 🧱

[obsidian berry]

Just use 🧱

[frozen cobalt]

chenxue has cr?

[smoky lintel]

yes

[copper shale]

tried badum yet?

also
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paper

[glass nacelle]

Probably will use her

Evade farming again

[abstract night]

U need chexune for mei to not have crit issues.?

[smoky lintel]

yes

or HoRb but her buffs are sad

[abstract night]

Thats Stupid

[abstract night]

Well my choices are
Wepless fdd, badum, helia, horb, hoh
So hm

[smoky lintel]

it's been the case like that since jds

idk how sera performs with her

she still has crit covnersion

[abstract night]

Atleast lantern was decent for sq

For a bit

Mei HoRb Badum
Helia FDD HoH
Should totally work right

In rl

Idrk

Well actually 2 teams r useless in rl. So uh

Not ma.

[smoky lintel]

i mean yeah, dunno how mei is at a GoI support maybe wanna slot her in for helia and maybe also replace horb with helia in mei's team

aside from crit conversion horb is just meh

her impair is the same as the one in mei's kit and her buffs arent great either

weaponless fdd is also not ideal so maybe take advantage of the fws passive and op for no breach support

[abstract night]

I have. Songqueop S and ssera..

And teri s

So my ops are lol for mei

[smoky lintel]

well sera could work again idk if mei has 100 crit rate with sera

[abstract night]

But the crit conversion is biased

To wod

Iirc

[smoky lintel]

nope

[abstract night]

It isnt?

[abstract night]

Oh

[main goblet]

even if cr isnt 100% just mald more

[abstract night]

Unless im stupid, doesnt the colon mean everything following? It is a bullet point following that statement so ._."

Does horb have 100 cr base kit? With ring

I can test

[smoky lintel]

Oh right that makes more sense

[smoky lintel]

She gains crit conversion if you ult an enemy

[main goblet]

yeah

[smoky lintel]

Other than that no

[abstract night]

So how much does she have normally?

[smoky lintel]

Time to pull out the calculator

[abstract night]

In 70 we trust

124 crt
124/(80×5+75)

20 from stigs

Yeah idt shes making it

46 in battle with nothing else

I dont own another phys pt2 valk

Theres...dudu

And thats it..

[main goblet]

as i said youre gonna end up malding for crits anyways
and i doubt that xdc's cr is cooked

its like jds, her old best team was sena and thel even though u don't have 100% cr
even though i admit sena does help here

idk about dudu though

[abstract night]

Does xdc have crit conversion like cdmg to cr or am i coping

[main goblet]

i have to see

[abstract night]

Bc if its a
1cdmg->1crate (lol doubt)
2cdmg->1crate(lessdoubt)
2.5cdmg->1cr
Itll be
18 cr
9 cr
7.2 cr
With sera's

18% cdmg

[main goblet]

lol...

[celest valley]

GOOD THING I CLAIM THIS BEFORE IT EXPIRE

[abstract night]

Thats stupid

Makes sense
But stupid

[main goblet]

[main goblet]

how to get

[abstract night]

I might just use horb so i dont have to mald

[celest valley]

I said hey give me stigmata then they give me

[main goblet]

wtf im gonna ask dawei i hope he responds

[celest valley]

he wont

[abstract night]

I wonder if any valks give cr...

[celest valley]

you dont have the sakura figure

[main goblet]

what if i do 🤫

[celest valley]

which one

[main goblet]

im jk

but me like stigmata 😔

[smoky lintel]

well lant does, no one relvant for xdc though

[celest valley]

it's cn exclusive anyway

if you dont have cn account cant get it

[main goblet]

[abstract night]

Lantern cant support xdc anywho

[glass nacelle]

no chenxue brick

[abstract night]

Mei horb dmg loss
Mei chexune yay dmg and crits

Worst 60 pulls of my life /j
(Love u seele, live laugh ws)

[fervent hinge]

do we have mei frame?

mei kinda blue so I am endlessly waiting for a blue valk with a nice blue frame to go with frigid empress

I should have grabbed bke pala back in the day but I was a poor child back then

[willow perch]

[fervent hinge]

using this for now which looks fine but need more blue

[fervent hinge]

ew

so messy

too many colours

[desert lily]

[muted mauve]

wtf

[desert lily]

XDC shill

[glass nacelle]

1st working day of the year of Horse

[shrewd socket]

https://tenor.com/view/el-condor-pasa-el-condor-pasa-uma-musume-uma-musume-umamusume-el-condor-pasa-umamusume-gif-1329426747827869360

[willow perch]

https://klipy.com/gifs/uma-musume-umamusume-33

[abstract night]

Rip

[tired cliff]

something don't feel right about it but it also looks good at the same time

[desert lily]

[muted mauve]

where bio boss

[abstract night]

Bye-o-nara

[muted mauve]

Finally got Vi's blessing :D

Why am I being hunted by Aha

[desert lily]

[glass nacelle]

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Op valk

[desert lily]

[viral maple]

How do you guys get these frames

Is it obtainable only through events?

[untold marsh]

in game pfp frames are mostly events yeah

[naive briar]

I wish I didn't miss Ana
Wish they do more with p2 NPCs

[smoky lintel]

you also get one when you buy the paladin BP but it's really not worth it if you view at what it provides, unless you feel like it's worth it for the frame or other things like crystallum/valkyrie fragments it's not worth it compared to knight

[rain isle]

Ana cute

[main goblet]

there's like 2 or so free frames tho
one for level
another for sensei

[shrewd socket]

without counting events?

[main goblet]

mhm

since those u can't get again when they go

[viral maple]

Wow

[wooden cliff]

til schariac is shaniate

[glass nacelle]

[gilded shoal]

The normalest CN Nirvana

[desert lily]

Wtf

[muted mauve]

actually, Nirvana is on 910+ score this cycle

[desert lily]

[eternal inlet]

Guys do you know how many pink balls do you need to get the HoRB stamps from BP? I think its 3 balls for 1 stamp right?

[desert lily]

Whatever is the amount of balls for stamp in reserve works

[eternal inlet]

Some are 1 for 1 stamp and some 3 for 1 stamp

But there are more with 3 balls than 1 so I'm guessing its like that

[desert lily]

I'm gonna guess it's 3 balls for a stamp then

[eternal inlet]

very likely

[desert lily]

The character card will be 24 balls like the others will be

[eternal inlet]

I need the stamps for getting her to SSS

I need 90 fragments

[desert lily]

You can get 50 frags from buying the character card

[eternal inlet]

when you own that character, you can only get stamp btw

[desert lily]

You can buy the character card from bp

That's spending event where you can't buy the character card

[desert lily]

If you own the character

[eternal inlet]

for example... we can't in the BP too, anyway... if HORB will be just 5 stamps, I will miss 10 fragments to SSS, I HATE THIS GNG

[desert lily]

Oh it is stamps

Well

[eternal inlet]

Imagine they will put 5 stamps, I hate the fact I will miss 10 fragments to get her SSS

i am screaming

I already get the stamps from the witch shop

[desert lily]

I probably won't be able to get SSS
I'm currently at S1

[eternal inlet]

I miss 10 for SS3

[gleaming imp]

You could cope for horb frags being available for purchase in a future big spending event

Give it like about 3-4 more big spending events probably

Maybe 5?

[shrewd socket]

did this event ever arrive in GLB?

[naive briar]

was that why you me
No and never

[desert lily]

[flat inlet]

Who's in the Valkyrie box?

[abstract night]

The free S rank selector box contains all S ranks up to HoTr

[flat inlet]

Ty

[abstract night]

So any S rank from 1.0 to 6.3

[shrewd socket]

yes

[naive briar]

no box

[desert lily]

[still vine]

[somber egret]

[limpid glacier]

After SS, SSS is her only next rank that her buffs supporting right?

Oh wait I thought u talking abt hotr

[muted mauve]

Lightning?

[desert lily]

[glass nacelle]

Stop putting cringe sd boss

[obsidian berry]

[tranquil vale]

RIP I can't get the beta

Bot issue

[rancid plank]

msc

[glass nacelle]

Wtf

[copper shale]

op op

[smoky lintel]

what's the boss

[copper shale]

dxy

[smoky lintel]

wait i just saw the s0 wtf

[copper shale]

but real question why not just 1 tap it

[copper shale]

check acc number tho

unless guy ratted a serious bug xd

kinda weirdge for it be hax

or is the team on purpose to seem less like hax

[glass nacelle]

Or there's bug that's causing dxy to be counted as mob

[smoky lintel]

i wouldnt even be suprised

[nova osprey]

How tf

[copper shale]

op op

[copper shale]

no bugfs

[obsidian berry]

How in tf 952

[muted mauve]

not too far off from reality tbh

[rain isle]

952 with S0 wadahecc

[muted mauve]

dxy counting as mob means she died from Mei's insta-kill

[rain isle]

:O

What's the hp threshold for the execution again?

[atomic coral]

if it's a bio mob, there is no threshold, they just die

[rain isle]

Wait, so they can be deleted from max hp if possible?

[atomic coral]

evaporated

[rain isle]

Damn that's op

I thought it had a threshold like Sporkler for QUA or the img valks for IMG enemies respectively.

[main goblet]

according to kit in pins it got a limit
but i didnt bother keeping track of them when watching xdc vids

but the limit is not based on mob hp

[rain isle]

:o naruhodo

[ember locust]

Good, DXY is so freakinf annoying

[ember locust]

☠️☠️ Wait a freaking minute

[abstract night]

The easiest 0s in the entire game

[ember locust]

Is that rerun or something or like ADV ?

[smoky lintel]

ascension supply

[glass nacelle]

Bye lunabad

[ember locust]

??? Ascension Supply ? She literally released like 2 patches ago

[ember locust]

Plus she's option B expa

[smoky lintel]

i thought you meant the schi pic lmao

[ember locust]

Ah yeah, I was asking if the Ely screenshot meant that

I guess not

It would have been weird anyway

[somber egret]

HLE Supply = SD Boss likely

[shrewd socket]

just rerun, that SImp one is adv

[ember locust]

Ok good enough

It's not ADV at least

[slate elm]

oh no do i consider ScI ranks? lmao

Where's the SSS teriOp salesman to sell me on this instead.

[desert lily]

[obsidian berry]

[frozen cobalt]

do we have preload yet

[untold marsh]

for the CN version 8.7? its been out for a while

[desert lily]

Excited to see what Chapter 11EX has to offer

[frozen cobalt]

im just wait for who is the new valk

[nova osprey]

Pls dont be seele, i need to save some funds first

[somber egret]

sealy

[frozen cobalt]

seele should be in spending version

where

do we have any c11 ex cg

[desert lily]

Not yet

[feral epoch]

what

[vale granite]

For global: not yet

[vale granite]

CN is 4 weeks ahead of everyone else

[frozen cobalt]

i mean for cn

[shrewd socket]

infact, the patch is already out

[feral epoch]

i thought cn already had a preload, so i open the launcher and it doesn't

[vale granite]

By CN I meant Simplified Chinese, not Traditional Chinese

[feral epoch]

yes, I meant cn ios server on pc

[copper shale]

ios is simplified chinese

petrix is literally on cn

[somber egret]

there won't a preload anymore when cn is already at 8.7 for 3 weeks now

[untold marsh]

preload only shows up a few days before a version update, it is not a permanent feature. CN is still in the middle of 8.7 so there is no preload for the CN 8.8 version yet

[glass nacelle]

I think he means package download when main story/event is released

[feral epoch]

no, i meant preload. i stopped playing cn ver for awhile, busy with other stuff and lost track of time

[glass nacelle]

[frozen cobalt]

spoiler

[glass nacelle]

He doesn't list 952 kek

[desert lily]

Why ps?

[glass nacelle]

Type counter

[desert lily]

It's also PSY?

[glass nacelle]

I mean before being broken shield, dxy is psy

[obsidian berry]

Where 952

[desert lily]

Ah

[shrewd socket]

it's still Mei lead no?

[desert lily]

Yeah

[shrewd socket]

XDC FWS PS?

8.3 ahh team

[desert lily]

Seems so

Lol

[obsidian berry]

Ps as support

[desert lily]

||It might not be Seele||

Sadness

[gleaming imp]

No seele please my account will need time to save up crystals when her ascension drops

[frozen cobalt]

Crazy to think they will release seele after mei

[rancid plank]

Seele simps in shambles

[gleaming imp]

Someone needs to take the fall of being Valk after cny Valk

I nominate the pink p2 character I think her name was youyoun

[desert lily]

||Watched Chapter 11ex, it could be Sena||

[frozen cobalt]

Cn player really like youyun

[rain isle]

I'd like to see valk youyun too

She deserves it

[desert lily]

We'll have to see

[smoky lintel]

neither thele nor sushang were a fall of though

[smoky lintel]

cuz she has shieldbreak for PSY mobs

[desert lily]

Ah

Who knows what Hoyo pulls out of their ass for 8.8 though

[gleaming imp]

I hope it's a bait easy skip Valk like rita

[fervent hinge]

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

but its not a bait

[desert lily]

[naive briar]

even non-competitive player like me know that is dream talk
get a diary please...

[glass nacelle]

[naive briar]

scam. not the same

[desert lily]

[glass nacelle]

[frozen cobalt]

I think only ds and sena use the same design

While songque and thelema are younger

[obsidian berry]

[gilded shoal]

Too bad MHY thinks P2 chars are pure slop

[obsidian berry]

They just want gacha instead of free A rank

[still vine]

[prisma tartan]

youyun aop trust

https://tenor.com/view/ui-kozeki-ui-ui-kozeki-blue-archive-approval-gif-2954987238821737992

[limpid glacier]

Youyun has 2 versions though so maybe she will have an aop and battlesuit

Same thing im thinking abt Chen maybe later we get her older version

I am hoping for some p2 chars or story relevant p2 chars next

[rain isle]

[viral maple]

[strange crystal]

How is XDC as WS Support?

[muted mauve]

[CN Spoilers] ||No P1 Valk in neither even or main story -> P2 valk release for 8.8 almost guaranteed||

[spiral plank]

chat is this enough for new mei 4/4 and the new ely outfit.. ill complete er tmrw so ill have 17k

[atomic coral]

first 10 pull trust

[main goblet]

so like one pull mei and one pull her weap and the minimum for the skin, yeah thats enough

[atomic coral]

nah it's fine just slip da wei a $20 and the luck will improve

[main goblet]

🐳

[atomic coral]

surely in the one week before the outfit banner comes out, they'll have another 10k

[main goblet]

theres the patch freebies too yeah

including the log in one rn

[spiral plank]

i hope..

[muted mauve]

THEY TOOK MY BOOK AGAIN

[untold marsh]

Book thieves

[muted mauve]

[untold marsh]

Hoyo please just let em have their notebook

but really, theres no need to yoink it

[desert lily]

||Sena, Sera, or Youyun are three of my guesses of whom it could be||

[glass nacelle]

Well i think another p1 slop

[desert lily]

How though

[atomic coral]

hoyo will find a way

[desert lily]

||They still somehow reveal Seele despite her not being in Chapter 11ex?||

Again I wouldn't know

[atomic coral]

last 5 seconds vodka twins trust

[shrewd socket]

patch hasn't ended so

it could be in an event on last 2 weeks

[slate elm]

wouldn't be the first time they teased something and didn't actually create a new valk from it

please wait warmly for actual confirmation~

[shrewd socket]

right away*

[slate elm]

?

[muted mauve]

There's an event next week on valk reveal day.

But it's one of those small events.

[desert lily]

Something like Hero's Expedition we have currently in 8.6?

[rustic stump]

I have a feeling that the next p2 characters released will be AOps because no one is pulling for p2. Thr cope for the state of the game is so times annoying. I wouldn’t feel this way if myh would have actual cincos outside of next patch ver promo livestreams they have for all of their games.

[gleaming imp]

I have faith in youyoun

[untold marsh]

How can people pull for p2 if they dont release p2 valks

youyoun would make for a good valk imo, so would nahralab, or a few others that would make for strong candidates imo

[desert lily]

I would expect a new Sena since Coralie and Helia got new battlesuits

[muted mauve]

Ig? We don't know what it is other than being St Freya related (so prob Mei event)

[desert lily]

Ah

[shrewd socket]

what could Nana do that Cora doesn't do now?

[untold marsh]

Look good

[gleaming imp]

Serve

[untold marsh]

But imagine with me for a sec a good looking Nahralab valk release where she just lounges in the back and all of her attacks are the gang fighting for her. Would be funny and different and in character

[viral maple]

Typing harder uh?

[shrewd socket]

https://tenor.com/view/coralie-honkai-gif-12950924175715404299

[untold marsh]

Something like P2 teri napped so nahralab could sleep

[shrewd socket]

ykw onesie outfits

just because

[desert lily]

We'll have to see

[shrewd socket]

rlly doubt they do something with Nana tbh

her giving her powers to Coralie settles it enough

[untold marsh]

i mean they probably wont, im not holding my breath for another p2 character release

[shrewd socket]

i just don't care who the new releases are

would like Seele? ofc

but i don't go filtering characters based on when did they first appear

[untold marsh]

I mean if they release another p1 it'll probably be bronya for trio reasons

[desert lily]

That's likely for next CNY

[gleaming imp]

Cope for hotruth dkey if no bronya until next cny

[desert lily]

HoFi is her DKey

[shrewd socket]

^

[edgy drift]

If we assume HTR can't get one the next Bron in line is SW

that feels very old

[shrewd socket]

if anything the last non AR valk who would get a stellar keys would be FoV

[untold marsh]

FoV should get one, she can stay out of the story but she can grab more crystals

[copper shale]

dkeys are just disgusting atp

getting worse each release fr

thought hofi was mid but turns out she was peak

[shrewd socket]

imagine calling mid peak

[copper shale]

meta wise hofi is peak

keeping the same old team and makes it all usable with dkey

and also she can work well as a fast support

[shrewd socket]

say 1 team that isn't trio ws or roo dps

[copper shale]

that's fine tho, she does what her tags has

ely is mid

horb is only good in ws

lv is just sad

[rancid plank]

at least horb is good somewhere

[copper shale]

the best part about hofi is her trio still works tho, every other thing needs you to have the full newest cast

[gleaming imp]

Trio good real

[desert lily]

Only when ranked

[gleaming imp]

Good thing mine is

[desert lily]

But it's missing +3 sync

[shrewd socket]

fym best that's the worst part

hofi dps unplayable bc it's trapped in a p1 team

[rancid plank]

Hofi FDD Vita real team fs fs

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

it is the best because its the cheapest for the biggest return of a dkey

[gleaming imp]

Meanwhile elysia demanding you pulled thelema as mandatory

[copper shale]

well to be competitive ely needs ss sera and thel

[gleaming imp]

I tried hoh on Kasumi with senawho vita in nirv, you can guess how that went

[copper shale]

for newer players sure u can say that hofi dkey is a lot worse becuz they have nothing to begin with, so looking at p2 alone then out of the dkeys availiable so far its just horb dkey > the rest ig

but its kinda dumb to take that perspective

since ur not competing with new players only

its better to look old players from the start of p2 , and which by default, u do have a trio ready

then you ask for a single dkey what is the most i can get, then the answer obviously is hofi

you could also say just get all release

[rancid plank]

Eh no horb sucks for newbies

because if you're new you dont have her

and if you've been playing since badum u werent new anymore

[copper shale]

i call players since p2 new

[abstract night]

Ely isnt good in goi?

[rancid plank]

she's less bad in grail

[copper shale]

she helps do a bit of dmg if its ice weather thats it, she isnt good just less bad yea

[abstract night]

Oh

Whats sad about lv

[copper shale]

she also only good in that scenario if you are doing the double ult with ring

[copper shale]

well she has like 2 use cases, and thats it

[abstract night]

She gives bleed thing to ps right

[copper shale]

yea

[abstract night]

Uh

Helia 3rd?

[copper shale]

no she wont be used with helia

[abstract night]

Oh. Y not?

[copper shale]

why would she

her buffs are bleed focused

[rancid plank]

and she loses breach

with dkey

[copper shale]

unless its a lightning weather then maybe u dump it there with helia, but otherwise prob not, and also prob need to be sss+3

[rancid plank]

If you don't have paws or PS I guess she can also help cope hitcount tho

[copper shale]

btw with this logic wouldnt all dkey kinda be trash then other than ely which is in wt

[abstract night]

I lack ps

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

well ur bricked no matter wht

on her own bleed weathers she need ps there

her own hitcount is still trash

[rancid plank]

Well Luna is free patch before

so if you start in 8.6 you could make use of it and still be a newbie

[desert lily]

Most Valks when they got dkey's were

[rancid plank]

same with ely or hofi being free around patch

it's just horb

[desert lily]

HoFi being spending on the same patch she got hers

[copper shale]

then that shifts the discussion to when you start

[abstract night]

Ur joking

[rancid plank]

Well point with Horb is that anyone who has her already has a full team for HLE

[copper shale]

im not

[rancid plank]

because they'll have badum and then at least one of ps paws fdd hohe

[desert lily]

Even for Mobi?

[abstract night]

Is this rl or nirv

[copper shale]

rl who cares

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1RgFDzmECT/

[copper shale]

we dont have mobi as a boss yet since dkey no

[abstract night]

Well actually

[desert lily]

What in the 8.3 team

[copper shale]

i mean thats just pure assumptions

either assume they got nothing or assume they pulled every release imo

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

because in practice they can be skipping certain valks for various of reasons

[desert lily]

Me who skipped RS

[abstract night]

Hows mei without her wep? :^

[copper shale]

so if you really want to talk about dkey value, either assume they got nothing at all, or they have all release

otherwise if you want to play with assumptions on what they have, then atp that its just detailing specifcially towards an acc

but i mean if competitive enough, +3 dkey is just a must

[rancid plank]

well if they have horb then they got someone from spending in badum patch

I guess they could have like

exclusively pulled carnival?

[abstract night]

Also badum and fdd are in starter

Next patch

[desert lily]

Next patch

[abstract night]

Yes ik

[copper shale]

i mean it depends on how they spend xtals in the end

and in practice, assuming they can reasonably spend crystals feels like a tall ask

[rancid plank]

fair. They could be @desert lily

[abstract night]

So to summarize
Lv dkey is sad?

As a support

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

if they willing to reroll to get both s0+1 badum and fdd its pretty good xd
its an amazing start ngl

[abstract night]

Why just badums wep

[desert lily]

I have almost 30k

[copper shale]

s0+1 char and wep

[abstract night]

Thats really unlikely

[copper shale]

well dps is also pretty sad

[abstract night]

Bruh

[copper shale]

just getting cora is good

[rancid plank]

wheres ur hohe dkey

[abstract night]

Whys it sad

[copper shale]

cuz its not impressive dmg

[desert lily]

No where since it wasn't worth it to pull

[rancid plank]

but horb p1 gears were

[copper shale]

also imo her animatiohns are trash

[abstract night]

Thats not related to numbers

[copper shale]

so i said also

[desert lily]

This was before I joined this server

[copper shale]

she lacks the ability to try to retain in other weathers basically as a cope option,

[abstract night]

So shes only good in bleed?

[copper shale]

yes

[abstract night]

Huh.

Shocker

[desert lily]

[copper shale]

well the old her is pretty good cope in other cycles thats psy or typeless if u really wanted to try

[abstract night]

Wait what

How does that happen

[copper shale]

what you mean how that happen, she just very high dmg number at the time of release

[abstract night]

So
The old her can brute force?
The dkey says lol ur dmg sad outside of bleed?

[copper shale]

yea

[rancid plank]

she stole horb bosses

back in the day

because she was psy and had a summon on her wep

[abstract night]

Like old her in 8.7?

Not release

[abstract night]

I remember that lol

[desert lily]

HoRb got them back now

[rancid plank]

her new kit is stronger than her old kit just by less

[abstract night]

What?

[rancid plank]

Back in the day, LV old kit was strong compared to meta

[abstract night]

Yeah ik that

[rancid plank]

new kit is stronger than old kit but weak compared to meta

[abstract night]

I experienced that

[rancid plank]

because meta has gotten strong faster than she has

[abstract night]

Oh okay

Oh. Lvs goto team is fdd ps then?

[copper shale]

i mean its just the numbers they put on the new dkey low thats it

[abstract night]

Does she still use ldmg affixes?

[desert lily]

No

[abstract night]

Oh

Huh. Anyways so like hows mei wepless

[copper shale]

trahs

why even consider valks wepless

[rancid plank]

with what cope weapon 7t?

[copper shale]

why u have so many valks with weap less

[rancid plank]

sounds bad

[desert lily]

Breath probably is considering this smh

[abstract night]

Yeah 7t

[copper shale]

he has a million valks with no weao

[abstract night]

Its only 2.

[copper shale]

too many

[desert lily]

FDD snd sparkle

[abstract night]

Dramatic

[copper shale]

0 is the correct answer

[abstract night]

I can still retain rl most of the time

[copper shale]

since when retain rl is a high bar

and ur na

[rancid plank]

even drya can bounce nirvana breath

[desert lily]

Sometimes

[abstract night]

Isnt that specifically on the weathers that he has ss valks on for?

[atomic coral]

give drya an sd boss and he folds

[desert lily]

He has Badum

[abstract night]

Hle boss laughs

[desert lily]

You'd have to give him
Yeah Paros lol

[rancid plank]

No he promotes on random shit

like trio on tank too

[desert lily]

Flux Lamp is also one he struggles on

[rancid plank]

because na dead

[abstract night]

I get the crap brackets

[desert lily]

I got T1 with FDD

[abstract night]

Anyways tho

Yeah so wepless mei

[copper shale]

answer is no

[abstract night]

I asked hows wepless mei
Not
Is she the best dps she can be without her wep

[desert lily]

Any Valk weaponless is trash

[copper shale]

well, maybe retain, not because cope options are decent, but because ur brackets are probably bad

[abstract night]

U dont even know my brackets

[copper shale]

i dont need to know when ur in na

[abstract night]

I still get crummy brackets

[copper shale]

[abstract night]

So hows mei as a support then

[copper shale]

is ok in ws

but thats with weap

[abstract night]

Yeah i figure

[desert lily]

She replaces HLE in my HoRb team

[rancid plank]

good on mobs stages with bio mobs 👍

[abstract night]

Does she like murder all bio mobs in a side stage?

[copper shale]

wep still matters because even if she not the dps here, she still has some buffs on it

[copper shale]

its really slow if she not leader

[desert lily]

You have to get the stacks first

[copper shale]

its still good but in abyss would just depend on the hp of the bio mob

[abstract night]

Meis isnt gonna be wepless for long :^

[copper shale]

why pull weap on rerun

when u should get it on the first patch

[abstract night]

Yeah i am

It is
On inital run

Im just getting 10 atk first

[desert lily]

He'll likely pull it later into the patch and not day 1

[copper shale]

oh thats more acceptable then

i thought its gonna be like his fdd and spork

[abstract night]

Thats why i ask about wepless

[abstract night]

Okay well sparkle just showed up

Fdd still hasnt gotten a (proper) banner outside of 8.5
And horb dkey was my priority then bc phys was a bottleneck for me

[copper shale]

[abstract night]

Good thing sparkle asc is here soon

Then ill have sparkle 4/4

[gleaming imp]

I'll have you know my trio scored 795 on tank

[gleaming imp]

And you'll get some pulls refunded

[abstract night]

Yup

42 pulls needed right?

[gleaming imp]

45

Since 4 ten pulls plus 5 plus refund cards = 60

It’s on your second asc that you spend only 42 since you got 18 from the previous one I think is the math

[nova notch]

Is the returning of this outfit still unknown?

I'm so ready to spend 30k just for this.

[frozen cobalt]

prob bchip

or pink ticket

[limpid glacier]

Probaly gonna be via pink tickets returning

But it will talk a long time for it to return

[willow perch]

It won't rerun for crystals, it'll be Bchips

[glass nacelle]

Ewwww

[sonic wolf]

Schedule guy is spamming same boss every patch

[plucky cradle]

cringebyss

[somber egret]

Elybad

[pearl gale]

Oops sorry for the ping

[obsidian berry]

[willow perch]

[ember locust]

No

[glass nacelle]

Yes

[desert lily]

Elybad

[rain isle]

Seelegood

[ember locust]

No

[ember locust]

No

[still vine]

[somber egret]

Outfit Selector Event
W4 ~ W8

[novel elbow]

smh i buyed hos one with bchips and now is free

[vale granite]

Thx for the beta test

[novel elbow]

i always fall for it

[abstract night]

Nice finally i own the senti one
And the 2nd box is free asterite

[desert lily]

I see a Seele one

[shrewd socket]

ill probably save one for the pink tix

maybe in case they make the LV pink tix with discount

[abstract night]

Omg i forgot about the pink tickets

[main goblet]

its gotta be the senti/spa/bke box
i think that's the one that gives tickets
the other are the non sfx ones that usually has asterite as the last option

[glass nacelle]

the final i am elation can't get buff from SO bcs mei is pretty slow

[desert lily]

She's better than Thelema?

For Teribad

[glass nacelle]

mid

[desert lily]

[glass nacelle]

luna is good support for ps and paws, apart from them, she's trash

[desert lily]

Helia is PAWS

[glass nacelle]

mb

her buff for sus isn't big but 10 stacks dot is op

[steep axle]

i have that outfit lowk

[somber egret]

nice poop outfit

[plucky cradle]

[obsidian berry]

[clear vigil]

[fervent hinge]

any news on returnee supply for 8.7?

[somber egret]

Schicksal's Imperative

[fervent hinge]

ew what the fuck?

that's probably the worst returnee supply ever

lmao

oh wait villv exists

still really really bad returnee banner

[ember locust]

SIMP is even worse

[fervent hinge]

nah villv is definitely worse value wise

[ember locust]

While the beginners are having the best ones possible

[fervent hinge]

lmao yeah

[ember locust]

Currently

[fervent hinge]

beginner banner is so cracked

fdd and fws right?

[ember locust]

Yes

[somber egret]

wait, gonna search further to confirm
kinda not sure if I opened my alt before or after 8.7 update

[fervent hinge]

ok xd

isnt 8.7 mei smh how would it be after

oh like during 8.7 lol nvm I stupid

[somber egret]

can find other info ofr 8.7 returnee supply

why did they stop posting returnee update

Ohh it's SI on someone's account too

[fervent hinge]

SI?

ScI right?

[untold marsh]

Nah starry impression is making a comeback, potential men unite /j

[desert lily]

[fervent hinge]

Real

[desert lily]

That'd look funny even though she's free right now lol

[untold marsh]

Gotta speedrun SSS for her meta slaying dkey in 9.0 /j

[somber egret]

ahh yes
sorry

[abstract night]

Its bad bc sci supports only ws and wod

Which ...nobody wants her

[ember locust]

Also bc she's too niche of a valk as a DPS

And powercrept asf

[abstract night]

No?

As a dps shes fine

[ember locust]

So fine she has only Valrahal in Quantum

The rest is taken by Sparkle

[abstract night]

Yet sci is still good on most of those bosses

[ember locust]

Still not top

[abstract night]

Still good

[zinc gorge]

qua dps category has like 2 sole contenders rn

[slate elm]

the rest taken by sparkle? huh?

[shrewd socket]

pretty sure Sparkle only beats SImp on fire weather

[slate elm]

to my knowledge ScI is slightly better than Sparkle in general Qua cases. However none of that matters because they pair Qua bosses with Fire weather to emphasize Sparkle, and this is what they bring up more often in abyss.

[zinc gorge]

guys i just realized

who's gonna provide breach now for hoo dps

[slate elm]

And frankly for general Qua cases in RL and below, you can use even non Qua valks to handle them just fine (e.g. FDD on Fire Tona). Sparkle can prob handle ScI cases even though ScI is technically better. ScI doesn't really stand out as a support anymore either, making her very lackluster overall.

[fervent hinge]

HoO

[zinc gorge]

huh

[fervent hinge]

[zinc gorge]

u know dam well thats not what i meant

[fervent hinge]

genuinely what do u mean though, HoO hasn't been using a dedicated breach support for a little while now no?

[smoky lintel]

you generally don't wanna play HoO DPS with a breach support on IMG bosses anyway

yeah

[zinc gorge]

hoo without breach feels kinda weak tho ngl

and hoo using hotr has literally zero core dmg

[fervent hinge]

she has breach

always

[zinc gorge]

not enough

[fervent hinge]

well not wep and eva tbf

[smoky lintel]

then that's just your HoO, she still does well on img bosses that aren't too thick

and on those bosses that LV breach wont do anything

[fervent hinge]

^^ I also still use her for silly mobbing just fine

but abyss mobbing is easy

[zinc gorge]

arent too thick proceeds to require 3 rotations (with hotr execute btw) to finish off bull

[slate elm]

HoO with HoTr support is legit too. Even though she loses her ult. Kyoshiro demonstrated a few fights with this back when HoFi's dkey is still new.

However at this point with new Rita replacing her, it's expected to feel HoO to come up short.

[zinc gorge]

wait does rita execute with the shell still on?

[fervent hinge]

wait what the fuck is this?

[slate elm]

Rita can do both execute and direct core damage

[smoky lintel]

what it says

[fervent hinge]

I didn't bother reading her kit wtf

[smoky lintel]

can just delete bio mobs with her CA iirc

idk what part of her kit it was

[fervent hinge]

why

at least its only mobs can you imagine bio execute??

meta in 2030 gonna be an execute on every single type

[zinc gorge]

300sp to get there + only has 2 charges i think

[atomic coral]

she sees a bio mob and just

[zinc gorge]

at least with her i can weed out THOSE mobs in nun abyss

and not waste like 2 billion pts on them

like srsly how was i supposed to deal with that stage without hare

[smoky lintel]

it's technically infinite with her SO

the last point

for ARC it's 2 stacks per fight yeah

but wait that's with her ult her CA shoudl always excecute