🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[opaque stirrup]

but ik first few weeks gonna want badum :,)
well i dont have sparkle or dudu anyways so it wont even be max performance rn

[ember locust]

Rule advice is generally

Don't pull if you can't guarantee 4/4 in the same patch

[ember locust]

Even if you have Vita and Songque

It's good enough really

For Kiana's DPS

While for Ely, you must have to put Thelema in your team

[opaque stirrup]

oo do you know how much % in difference?

[hoary mountain]

wait why. do most ice weak enemies have shield?

[ember locust]

Rime Trauma for the win

And currently Thelema is the only char to do it in P2

[opaque stirrup]

ely's best team is thel lantern right?

[hoary mountain]

lantern? i thought its sena

[ember locust]

Ely's best teams are Thelema/Sena or Thelema/Vita

[opaque stirrup]

oh alr

[ember locust]

Lantern also works, it's just slower

[opaque stirrup]

works for me still

[ripe urchin]

when would you use one instead of the other? is Vita used more often?

[hoary mountain]

according to marisa, you use Sena if your Vita is low rank

[ripe urchin]

ah i see i guess im going to use only Sena in that case

[ember locust]

@hoary mountain That's it

[hoary mountain]

cuz then your rotations go by faster

not only that but if you have Songque AOp, senadina gets you initial AR

[ember locust]

Indeed your rotas are faster due to Sena being off-field almost permanently, thanks to gear

But Vita also works

[ember locust]

^^

[ripe urchin]

is S2 Vita enough?

[ember locust]

Yes

[hoary mountain]

i doubt it

enough as in enough in general? or to beat out Senadina you mean?

[ripe urchin]

both really

[ember locust]

It's actually enough

[ripe urchin]

is S2 Vita better than S2 Sena?

[ember locust]

Vita S1 gives additional support abilities

SS also gives support but WoD only

[still vine]

why beat sena when you could use both

[hoary mountain]

cuz we're talking about divine key HoHe

she wants Thelema

[still vine]

[hoary mountain]

also is there a case to turn off Thelema QTE?

[ember locust]

@hoary mountain Sena ranks up does not give Support abilities except in SS1 and SSS

[ripe urchin]

wow...

[ember locust]

Vita does gives Support Ranks in like half of ranks up

[hoary mountain]

thats rite of oblivion alright

[ember locust]

Vita is RoO indeed

She's the most flexible and the best support in the current meta

[hoary mountain]

i really hope another rite of oblivion is next so i can use Vita dps

i didnt get the finality from the spending event

[ember locust]

Seeing Teri's AOP kit, it could be the case

[ripe urchin]

i hope they add ignite and bleeding DPSs i really hate these two weathers lol

[ember locust]

I don't have Tunality either 💀

[hoary mountain]

i pulled sparkle not knowing she cant ignite on part 2 teams 😭

i litteraly pulled her cuz i wanted to cover quantum, fire and ignite

[ripe urchin]

F

[ember locust]

Hmm we will have to see if they plan for it, bc indeed currently the only contenders for Bleed are Luna and Susannah

Sirin is the only Ignite DPS remaining in the Meta

(I just hate Sirin aka Cringeringe)

And the three of them are out for a while

In April/May, Susannah is going to be 2 years old in GLB

[ripe urchin]

yeah come to think of it they have been out for more than 10 patches already

[hoary mountain]

i cant decide who i need more between HoHe DK or ba dum kiana. i could use another reso triggerer for sparkle but i could also use a PSY dps

[ember locust]

Yes and LV already got her ADV previous patch, I won't be surprised if she comes in next BP with FoV

Since HoRb has been hard skipped

[ripe urchin]

yeah

[ember locust]

Pull both if you can

Since Ely almost covers all of Lantern's weather with high ranks

[hoary mountain]

thats why im putting it out cuz i dont even know if i can 4/4 kiana

[ember locust]

(Yes Lantern is just that bad)

[hoary mountain]

currently on global i have 7.2K crystals

i have the monthly pass up

[ember locust]

Lantern being the less futureproof P2 valk is crazy

Along with Helia

[short knoll]

you have thelema?

[hoary mountain]

Helia was the first 100% powercrept valk in part 2 right?

[ember locust]

[hoary mountain]

i have thelema

[ember locust]

Totally

[opaque stirrup]

isn't she still used in dps sena teams or am i dumb

[ripe urchin]

come to think of it i should probably start asking about how some of the valkyries teams have changed

[ember locust]

Imagine being Eden's remplacement just to be powercrept by Miss Omniscience holder and not even totally remplacing Eden during her presence in meta

[hoary mountain]

those use vita and finality

[mild owl]

shes not even used on most if not all hitcount bosses for sena

[ember locust]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-hahaha-gif-22505124

[ember locust]

Only for Sena DPS with Thelema support, otherwise she's dead

[opaque stirrup]

ah alr lol

[ember locust]

And even like that, Vita can also take her place

Since she supports all the currents AR

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-kekwrgb-gif-19278361

[hoary mountain]

i really like Law of ascension cuz its hard to waste it

you waste wheel of destiny uptime for 2 seconds and its all over

[ember locust]

💀💀 Songque has the most bigass problem with that

[hoary mountain]

yea her rotation is really tight

actually thats not it. is it? this is about how nonexistant she is outside of her stellar outburst

[ember locust]

💀💀 Vita's timing + Thelema

For me

Since I don't have Lantern

[hoary mountain]

i dont have lantern either

i skipped like 2 part two characters and one of them is lantern

[ember locust]

Girl is just up, smash B and ult outside of SO lol

[ember locust]

💀💀 I skipped Sena, worst decision ever

I also skipped Lantern

Sparkle + Dudu, that makes 4

[hoary mountain]

skipping senadina would be the worst decision ever

[ember locust]

No regret for skipping Dudu

But Sparkle skipping means I don't have BiS for Kiana 🤌

[hoary mountain]

if i was just starting out i would backpull senadina, then Vita

[ember locust]

But tbh backpulling is not good for Sena

[mild owl]

if i was just starting out i would not backpull

[ember locust]

Vita's not the best for backpulling but she's at least more futureproof

[hoary mountain]

shes an ok starter tho cuz her team is A ranks

[short knoll]

songque isn't that tight since you rarely do full SO with her

[hoary mountain]

i said vita cuz vita can segway into every astral ring

[ember locust]

Lol yeah but it's really not a good idea anyway

Said A Rank valks weaps are litterally unavalaible

[ember locust]

??? I do full SO everytime

[hoary mountain]

😭 so do i

[copper shale]

the longest u will do is u try to get 3rd charge atk asap and then close ring

[short knoll]

not sure about nirvana but in red lotus, you end it asap

[hoary mountain]

am i cooked

im in redlotus and i always go the full lengh

[ember locust]

That's litterally the full SO duration if you ult afterwards

[short knoll]

with correct rot ofc

[copper shale]

u still have time for like 3 atks

[ember locust]

There's only like 2-3s left

[ember locust]

Yes, but I don't see why you would not be able to launch 3 charged during SO

[hoary mountain]

i hate my luck. i got s2 senadina and vita tryna go for spending events

i was gonna skip vita entirely and now shes s2

[ember locust]

Just go for Vita S2 after Kiana tbh, Sena's S2 is not a good deal

[hoary mountain]

she is s2

[copper shale]

i meant the so duration lets u get 3 charged and 4+ na during so

[ember locust]

Oh yeah indeed

[hoary mountain]

remember when we thought Songque was the herrscher of part 2?

and now shes like i will explode if you dont have either of my shoes

also oh my god another stardust dps already

[ember locust]

It has been 6 months

[short knoll]

https://youtu.be/AwyEyZa7-QI?si=Qsh_SUNj2dQOFEDS
in red lotus, it can be very fast like this

[ember locust]

I mean she's the equivalent of it

Darkness energy is litterally the equivalent of Honkai

||Like Leylah and Sena could quite be considered like the Origin and the Finality||

[glass nacelle]

1 month ago 501D

still 501D now kek

[copper shale]

not 500

i hope it drops next cycle

[glass nacelle]

+1D iirc

[copper shale]

[glass nacelle]

L

next cycle will drop ig

[short knoll]

450D next year

[hoary mountain]

so what is Ba dum kiana good for besides mobbing and stardusting

is she better than Lantern and sparkle at being a fire dps

[willow pumice]

Just your average part 2 valk

[untold ibex]

do we know what 8.2 BP valks will be already?

[plucky cradle]

kurowhel valk

[mossy escarp]

Kurowhel valk

[hoary mountain]

i have no clue what that means

[willow pumice]

1. Because of the weather system, and the valks own type, element, and mechanic, some valks are better than the other valk on one boss, but not everywhere.
2. As support, P2 valk only support certain AR and provide unique utility.

So Badum is better on her boss,
Lantern is better on her boss (altho some high ranks hofi can compete)
Sparkle is better on her boss

And then there's also each utility that they provide as support, which you also want to consider when pulling them

Basically just pull your fav valk / the latest valk and build a team that synergizes with her.

[pulsar sparrow]

I heard some rumors on twitter that the longer patch length is not just for next patch but also for future patches, is that true? I havent seen any confirmation anywhere but I wanted to ask here as well in case someone knew something

[short knoll]

8.1 feel like a bait

[willow pumice]

8.2 might have 9 weeks patch based on crystallum expiry date but that's it

no info further than that

[pulsar sparrow]

I see, thanks!

[abstract night]

Speaking of badum
Is badum a better ws support then vita/sena/teri
Or how does she like fare(?) against them

[willow pumice]

In beta, yeah she was on par with hofi iirc

but there's no t100 live data

[abstract night]

Hurray

[short knoll]

imagine on par with a cheap valk

[abstract night]

I can actually.....hopefully (assuming everything stays the same ) can somewhat compete

[willow pumice]

actually is this round sena's round

oh wait no its LoA weather

[short knoll]

neither of 8.1 valks seem amazing so far

[abstract night]

Who was the 4.x anni valk

[copper shale]

was t100 ios with sena double kiana

[willow pumice]

what boss

[copper shale]

guaymas

[shrewd socket]

wait so 8.1 is only worth bc of spending event?

[short knoll]

t100? vita still better i guess

[willow pumice]

hmm ok pc server doesnt have sena

[copper shale]

well asking for anything but the best like t1 or ig more lenient t10 and ur likely to get something that isnt absolutely best when ranks syncs factor in cuz theres just way less ppl with 12s setups nowadays

or that many competitive players

[hoary mountain]

thats relieving ngl

i feel less guilty about holding off on Ba dum kiana and getting the divine key instead

[rain isle]

[ember locust]

Not known but we can argue for them to be LV and FoV

Due to chronological order and infos we possess officially

[hoary mountain]

hell naw i still need finality

[feral epoch]

goodluck on her weathers back to back for 3 weeks+

[ember locust]

Nah cooked

[hoary mountain]

i cant play vita dps and it makes me sad

[ember locust]

@hoary mountain You gotta do with it, plus HoRb is skipped out of the BP and instead given for Spending Event

So she might get a DK in a few patches

And if there is another DK, might be the last one, given the fact that HoRb is the last Herrscher ever to be released

[short knoll]

well, they still hold good value, dkey and free horb from spending are pretty good

most player will have S2 HoRb, huge

[hoary mountain]

i really hope i can manage to get the rebirth

[ember locust]

HoFi scenario all over again aaah

[hoary mountain]

kinda low on funds going into the patch

[ember locust]

Huuh I don't remember if there is actually a DK given in spending event

[short knoll]

talking about ely key

[ember locust]

Oh yeah this one

[ember locust]

But yeah, we ain't getting away of getting another DK a few patches away again

[hoary mountain]

do only herrschers get divine keys?

[feral epoch]

no

[hoary mountain]

ok good

[feral epoch]

just recent thing

[hoary mountain]

also are some divine keys not canonical while others are?

[short knoll]

i expect luna fov hare will get dkey

[hoary mountain]

i would love a Misteln divine key

[short knoll]

p2 dkey seem noncanon so far

[hoary mountain]

aight thanks

[grand viper]

[short knoll]

new sumon focused ring, hare will get that trust

[hoary mountain]

thats litteraly what i was thinking

[grand viper]

no more hare content pls mihoyo

[feral epoch]

[feral epoch]

that's just WS

[grand viper]

just give new summon ring to horb, she already has flora and diana

and then make a new Seele battlesuit on top of that

[short knoll]

nah, real summon, you transform into something else like hare

[ember locust]

No but it's mostly the case

[grand viper]

new valk instead of hare

[hoary mountain]

Mobius divine key trust

im on that good good copium

[ember locust]

Hare DK is quite a stretch, but I can def see Luna and FoV getting one

[feral epoch]

mobius dlc is teri

[grand viper]

in 3 years for sure

hare bad, no hare content

[ember locust]

Also, we already got Hare DLC in the form of Dudu

[hoary mountain]

i've never described a skin as satisfying until i saw the vita skin ult

[ember locust]

https://tenor.com/view/durandal-bianka-bianka-ataegina-dudu-mini-durandal-gif-1579266418125136115

[hoary mountain]

the animations feel so smooth

[short knoll]

can say the same for luna

[ember locust]

Luna is Captain's Wife + is more popular than Hare, trust

[hoary mountain]

thats why i really dont like Luna

its fanservice without a purpose

[meager thorn]

i'd say this is most 5* skins nowadays

[short knoll]

fanservice is the purpose

[ember locust]

The tall drink one ?

[meager thorn]

as a unit? or like, the skin

[hoary mountain]

yea i dont subscribe to that

ignoring the fact that i did pull Luna. i pulled her cuz i like chainsaws

[ember locust]

Lol they used the same kind of plot as Luna for Griseo's growth

[meager thorn]

so you dont like luna as a character idea because you think shes pure fanservice?

[ember locust]

Ether/Conscious Mapping kekw goes brrr

[hoary mountain]

yep

[meager thorn]

i see

did you read the captainverse stories?

[short knoll]

can say every valk is fanservice

[feral epoch]

yes

[hoary mountain]

touche

[feral epoch]

this game is fanservice

[meager thorn]

common hsien big brain

[ember locust]

Oh hell yeah 💀💀 and I'm not gonna do that kind of ref here

Optimal fanservice

[hoary mountain]

can i ask something. do any of the valkyries explode if you dont have their astralOp?

like will Ely be fine if i just use songque instead of serapeum or RS with project bnnuy

[meager thorn]

why serapeum for her?

isnt serapeum physical

[ember locust]

Luna has quite a story though

[nova osprey]

Sera is a wod aop

[meager thorn]

ahhh

[feral epoch]

it's fine if you're casual

[glass nacelle]

clutch

[copper shale]

whel

also man ios is sweaty

whats the t1 score in ur bracket

[plucky cradle]

no teriop demoot to agni

[copper shale]

did u get skin at least

[glass nacelle]

maybe i should choose android or pc server from the start

[plucky cradle]

1 pity left before guarantee on every banner didn't help

[copper shale]

[plucky cradle]

retiring from this hellhole is my only salvation

[glass nacelle]

[plucky cradle]

I'll come back when they add hohe stamps to wt

or bp

[glass nacelle]

see you in 3 years

[plucky cradle]

see you in part 3

[glass nacelle]

🐳

[nova osprey]

How often do they add stamps to pwo shop

[plucky cradle]

owo shop

[glass nacelle]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1MfNUexEkF

nice song btw

[glass nacelle]

tf +1 again

[hard meadow]

up up up

[steady granite]

peak comedy

I need them to do it again

[clear vigil]

[final locust]

the last time they added stamps was 7.8 i think and it was hoo

bruh

[ember locust]

https://tenor.com/view/lf-gohan-and-trunks-blu-gohan-pur-trunks-lf-trunks-blu-trunks-gif-15992816557536669950

Saving Moment

[final locust]

monthly card and BP income for 9 week patch

f2p income

[verbal mountain]

so rich

[noble cobalt]

Does the 20 mil fine actually have anything to do with the longer patches? I assume hoyoverse made that 20 mil back in like a day 💀

[edgy drift]

no ?

that was planned since long ago

[final locust]

i never even heard about a 20 mil fine, what was that about

[noble cobalt]

Something about deceptive gacha practices

[edgy drift]

random US case through the FTC

can google it

[final locust]

ah

happens all the time here

FTC loves fining big companies
i wont complain though, i like keeping them in check and potentially getting compensated

[edgy drift]

Which was mostly empty complaints and Hoyo's answer boiled down to "lmao no but we'll pay you so you're happy now shut up"

[noble cobalt]

Idk why it was even an issue since every gacha game on the earth uses shady tactics to make you give them money

[hoary mountain]

its probably cuz hoyo is floating above the surface nowadays

thats why it has the highest parental complaint rate for kids spending money on it and such

[edgy drift]

like one of the arguments was children spending hundreds or thousands of dollars because the game isn't "clear" on telling you how much you spent. Now the underlying issue of how the hell children have access to thousands of dollars, idt that's Hoyo's problem tho

[abstract night]

AND?

[atomic coral]

parents leaving their card info on the phone/tablet

[edgy drift]

sounds like a skill issue

[noble cobalt]

More time to save I guess, let’s just hope this doesn’t mean they’re going to introduce double gacha only S rank in a single patch LOL

[edgy drift]

and they can also just force a charge back if the kid was dumb

[hoary mountain]

next patch war treasurey sushang 2 trust

[noble cobalt]

After a whole year of gacha S rank I’m starting to wonder if hoyoverse knows the war treasury is there

[final locust]

people are theorizing its for a major overhaul and health patch. i can only hope that's true, but we all know it's not

[noble cobalt]

Well, part 2 itself was a major overhaul for a lot of things in the game, I don’t see why they couldn’t do something similar but on a smaller scale

This may just be my own delusions speaking but I still believe that compared to GI, hsr, and zzz, hoyo still has the most passion for hi3 and they really do want to work towards making it more popular

[final locust]

im hoping for issues like prism shortage and dkey obtainability issues to be addressed

[noble cobalt]

I agree, if divine keys are really going to be one every three patches now then they probably need to be somewhat easier to obtain

[feral epoch]

i just want full ui revamped and that p2 documentary video

[noble cobalt]

I still think you should be able to freely select between the old and new UI

[atomic coral]

if they want hi3 to be popular, they should fix the beginner experience so people don't get overwhelmed and quit

[hoary mountain]

other games let you select you an S rank to pull on with a sale while honkai impact gives you a 50/50 on full price

[glass nacelle]

#off-topic-discussion

[unique swallow]

dkey obtainability is not an issue for 99% of players trust me

[final locust]

p1 dkeys? yes it is

a lot of people who havent been playing since the triassic period dont own half the dkeys in the game

[glass nacelle]

he means p2 dkey ig

[unique swallow]

no i mean p1 gacha dkeys

literally no one below rl will care about dkey atk

[glass nacelle]

me

[unique swallow]

a lot of people in rl won't care about it either

the amount of people in nirvana is minuscule

you could probably go find someone from hi3twt and they wouldn't know what disturbance is

[final locust]

i can tell you right now most everyone in RL cares about dkey and atk

[unique swallow]

even if that's the case, that's only another small portion of the playerbase

[feral epoch]

if talking about overseas server, yes. cn maybe no

[glass nacelle]

[rustic stump]

Yeah until Himeko’s death, the game is very fun to get into, but is also very dated for those who played the other Hoyo games

[golden comet]

Overhaul and health patch?

[rain isle]

[golden comet]

Are they... Shittalking themselves?

[rain isle]

Idk but it do be accurate lol

[golden comet]

Or is it self praise

[rain isle]

Dunno

[slim lion]

Yea u are right about that one xd

[slim lion]

And this one too

[unique swallow]

are we in cn

ok well yes this is the channel for cn

but most people here aren't

[slim lion]

My friend plays like since Elysian realm
He didn't know what disturbance was until I tell him

[feral epoch]

but the issues also exist in cn

the game only follows cn version

[unique swallow]

cn might have more players and higher dist in rl+, but they also have more players in general
i wouldn't be surprised if the player distribution in terms of abyss ranks was similar

well, cn players are also supposedly more competitive so who knows

[glass nacelle]

[unique swallow]

[golden comet]

It takes a lot to be more competitive than SEA

[neat yoke]

It does not? SEA are for lazy ppl.

Or was it NA...

[unique swallow]

no it doesn't

you just think that bc you're eu

cn and kr are easily more difficult

wow oxymoron

[golden comet]

No, that's eu

[final locust]

NA is more dead

[golden comet]

Damn
I remember eu being deadest when I played for the first time

[glass nacelle]

rerun event tmr

[unique swallow]

after the blood moon fades?

[glass nacelle]

i don't remember the name but it's matrix event

[feral epoch]

yes

imagine 8.2 rerun event is 7.0 event

[final locust]

oh pls no

isnt that the farm event

[feral epoch]

7.8 = 6.6 rerun event
8.0 = 6.8 rerun event
8.1 = 6.9 rerun event
8.2 = 7.0 rerun event???

literally same pattern

[final locust]

i dont want that stupid ass farm event

[ember locust]

Blood Moon Fades is not the farm event

[final locust]

oh what is it then

[shrewd socket]

fucking peak

[urban cloud]

What's 7.0 event again

[ember locust]

I'm pretty sure 7.0 is the story event with Luna becoming the XXL Luna

[feral epoch]

that's 6.9

[ember locust]

It's not 6.9

[feral epoch]

it is

[ember locust]

Wait nvm

[feral epoch]

and i hate it so much

[ember locust]

Thanks to the wiki

[junior nova]

Do we think there's a chance senadina will rerun after new kiana

[glass nacelle]

current banner in overseas is sena

[robust crane]

from what live cn showed how good is 8.1 kiana going to be ?

[final locust]

great

new best SD dps i think
nice fire dps
nice LoA dps
great WS support
good LoA support
??? tag futureproofing
mobbing

[robust crane]

pog

[willow perch]

Pog

[edgy drift]

SD is in a weird spot

On her own boss if she doesn't have Sonq to support her you'd use Sena lead with badum supp

[limber cliff]

Guys

Can someone tell me about the spending event shop next patch

I heard we are getting hare stamps?

how many hare stamps can be bought and how much would I have to spend for all

Also what else is being offered

[shrewd socket]

check pins

[limber cliff]

My bad lmao

Missed that

But still, how many crystals would i need to spend for all 6 hare stamps

[feral epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/Ov9FbQm.png

[limber cliff]

Thank youuu

Goddamn more than 50k

[hoary mountain]

what if rebirth w divine key becomes an LoA character and she changes to dps form as her special QTE

[limber cliff]

Who is rebirth

U mean ely

[hoary mountain]

herrscher of rebirth im doing a predict

[limber cliff]

[hoary mountain]

[glass nacelle]

i mean her qte + combo atk took a long time

just good in ma

[hoary mountain]

its so sad that i might have to skip Ely divine key cuz i dont have finality and need a 2nd World star support

dont have the funds for everything on 8.1

[feral epoch]

hmm, thanks for reminding me. i have to spend 70k+ 20 dorm card for s0 horb and 100 elf frags

[somber egret]

just use the dps form from the start

[willow perch]

Gonna use Ai as a weapon

999,999M damage per swing
Each strike causes crystals to cover the arena

[final locust]

this would be horrible

unless they gigabuffed her scalings to make her 1 SO everything but the downtime on that would be abysmal

it's just gonna be very hard to make a HoRb dkey, i dont know how they'll balance both forms

might just have to do something like DPS when leader and support when not leader

it'd make the most sense for HoRb to be RoO, WS, or ???

i cant see her being WoD or LoA. don't even know what her special QTE would be, maybe support form's combo atk

[shrewd socket]

WS DPS and has 39 triggers

[final locust]

20 triggers maybe

[shrewd socket]

39 bc reference smh

[final locust]

what does 39 refer to

[shrewd socket]

CH39

[final locust]

ohh

im like the #1 horb fan and i cant think of an idea for her astral ring mechanism no matter how hard i try

it always has an issue
this is really hard lmao

because DPS form in SO would cause issues with uptime and overall performance

okay i have an idea
WoD
135 SO cost
DPS form only in SO, but DPS form is available outside of SO
DPS form by default when leader, when not leader support form and make her good support

shadow attack can be new stuff just like ely and then to fill combo bar on DPS form you do the WA just like ER
then new ult ends SO and refunds ARI

[feral epoch]

i imagine next dkey user will be old ring that has already been released, and only 1 per ring

roo = hofi
wod = hoh
ws = ???
loa = ???

[final locust]

her being WS would be so cringeee

WS is just so boring

[winter pumice]

WS is fun

Resonance is cringe

[final locust]

sure

i mean i guess it gets a pass bc it was the first ring type but that's not much of an excuse because WoD came out after and that's an absolute masterpiece

[feral epoch]

only for thelema, else clunky gameplay

[final locust]

nah i love all WoD

except lantern but she doesn't count she's not a real valk

thele is smooth, songque is smooth, HHE at least looks smooth

[feral epoch]

songque is clunky, unless you use her as LoA support

[final locust]

i disagree

clunky WoD support yeah

not a clunky DPS

[feral epoch]

clunky dps

[mild owl]

jd dps is fun except for being an ice valk

[final locust]

i dont agree

[final locust]

what

[mild owl]

ice blue not crit also blue

[final locust]

ohhh

yeah i dont have any issues with that bc i have sera
is that why you find her clunky? @feral epoch

[feral epoch]

i have sera

[final locust]

oh so what do you think is clunky?

[feral epoch]

her stacking ke for combo

[final locust]

i like that it's smooth if you do it right

the best way to do it is to WA cancel your BAs and it feels awesome if you do it right

BAx1 WA BAx2 WA combo

i would agree that her 3rd BA is really shitty feeling but that's why you don't do it unless you gather shards

did they ever fix vita's outfit not appearing in her shadow icon or attack or is it still the cringe default outfit

[feral epoch]

have you tried doing this
https://youtu.be/Z1IGbSjVHTk?si=HRwhpAI3TFxinGRU&t=22

[glass nacelle]

skip = no dmg ig

can't do it in low rank

[feral epoch]

can do it

[glass nacelle]

and worse than no skip

[feral epoch]

you just need to know when and where to do that

[glass nacelle]

I mean it doesn't work in low rank bcs u will lack dmg

[feral epoch]

it works, my friend did it and he's myriad on that round

[glass nacelle]

[feral epoch]

all s0

[edgy drift]

tbh LoA would work fine, everytime we play her now she's a qte spam bot anyways

like the TA SI HRB team plays almost exactly like LoA teams

[final locust]

yeah but im talking abt DPS form

if she was an LoA DPS
she would use DPS form

[edgy drift]

She can switch to dps form animation for SO

[final locust]

when leader: DPS
not leader: support

so the stellar shift being her support QTE when not leader is fine
but what would it be when she is the leader

[edgy drift]

She can be both, regular qte is support form qte, SO switches to big dps slam and ult

[final locust]

big DPS slam?

[edgy drift]

The charge attack

[final locust]

the flower and big scythe?

[edgy drift]

ye

[final locust]

it would be fast as hell

[edgy drift]

Can add the WA too

[final locust]

then it would be slow as hell

[edgy drift]

can spin faster

[final locust]

not saying it being fast was a problem i just was pointing it out

[edgy drift]

Can even allow to switch mid spin

boom, cool valk

[final locust]

i like the DPS when leader support when not idea tbh

it makes sense for the way p2 works atm anyway

[edgy drift]

For LoA it's dps everywhere tho

[final locust]

is it?

im not familiar with LoA

[edgy drift]

except Spork

[final locust]

i mean they can easily just buff up the scalings on her support QTE it already hits pretty damn hard

[edgy drift]

Ye, but SO still needs her to do something else

[final locust]

yeah SO would be DPS

when she's leader

[edgy drift]

SO is the same for LoA whether lead or not

[final locust]

and then just dont make her a WS support to prevent more stuff being needed

[final locust]

what do you mean?

oh i see what you mean

[edgy drift]

they do the same thing

[final locust]

well, idk really

maybe she just shouldnt be an LoA dps

i like her being WoD the most
or ??? whenever that comes

[edgy drift]

LoA fits the best imo since that's kinda her playstyle already

[final locust]

yeah but its hard to make work

[edgy drift]

I mean I just did

[final locust]

because if shes a support and uses her DPS stuff that doesnt make sense
same for vice versa

[edgy drift]

It's just animations either way

What do you think songque support does ? just her dps stuff

[final locust]

i mean i guess but she also doesnt have two designated forms for both roles

if they made a dkey for her i would want both designs to be represented equally bc theyre both beautifully designed

so thats why i dont think being an LoA DPS fits

or maybe if they did smth with switching forms in the stellar shift but that'd be long as hell

[edgy drift]

Songque gets the long ass animation already

[final locust]

like maybe support QTE when you switch in then switch forms has timestop and you do DPS combo atk?

because theyre both pretty short, maybe 10pts per thing

and vita's thing is already long as hell

and you could stay in dps form and do the stuff if shes the dps

if she's a WS DPS idk what they could do

[edgy drift]

I mean, just like I said would work fine y'know, regular qte is support one with CA, SO qte is dps one that chains into dps CA (and keep the stellar shit buff up for a while like the other valks if you want to do more)

[final locust]

WS is cringe anyway
but they could easily make her WA detonate

i still like the idea of her being WoD or ??? the best

depends on what ??? is tho itd have to be a whole new mechanic

[edgy drift]

WoD is cringe tho

[final locust]

maybe combo ring

[final locust]

i love WoD 😔

[hoary mountain]

i also love WoD

world star however

[edgy drift]

spend 5 years on field doing her clunky basic atks

wooo

[final locust]

no no it'd be more special

[edgy drift]

that's the worst part of the valk

[final locust]

maybe like

shadow attack into WA

and then shadow attack into a big new combo

[edgy drift]

yeah that's SO cool

now fill the 1 minute 30 seconds between those

[final locust]

yeah that's why it's so hard

you could also easily just do what hhe and jds do tho and make another one of the supports the dps on the SO downtime

[edgy drift]

WoD is ass, Ely's solution to it is literally "play Thelema instead lmao"

[hoary mountain]

can we agee law of ascension is the best stella outbust at least

[final locust]

no

[edgy drift]

LoA is best ring type by far

design wise

[final locust]

LoA is the most cringe imo, huge ARI cost and the shit is boring

[edgy drift]

it's not the all or nothing "be useless for a minute, wooooo big boom, be useless for a minute"

[hoary mountain]

you're definately not gonna be invited to my birthday party

[final locust]

and there's no real stellar outburst, it's just the animation and then the special QTEs

and it's the most limited asop reliant by far. DS is ass in LoA and teri is miles above everyone else

[edgy drift]

did you see actual comparisons for that claim ?

[final locust]

two stellar shifts for your leader is undeniably a huge dps increase

dpr not dps

[edgy drift]

17.5% perma taken is as well on Sera (and 20% less downtime on big burst when you're useless outside of it)

[final locust]

its not perma

for dudu at least
its less

it is perma

but when dudu uses sparkle its less

[edgy drift]

I meant for WoD

[final locust]

ohh

[edgy drift]

they're all huge

[final locust]

yeah

[edgy drift]

just differently

[final locust]

except songque tbh
she's defo not as big as sera or teri but still very big

[edgy drift]

Teri is arguably better not because of numbers but polyvalence

[final locust]

the issue is not that DS's buffs are bad but DS has no regen it's just so bad i can't stand DS

[edgy drift]

the second qte allows you to spread stuff out between phases

while other SO types are just stuck in their shit

[final locust]

stop using big word

[edgy drift]

you have better/more options available

in what you can do

[final locust]

i know what polyvalence means

[hoary mountain]

i do not

[lapis frigate]

so we talking horb dkey ar type here?

[final locust]

yes

imho she should be WoD or ??? but gurdil wants her to be LoA

[lapis frigate]

hmmmm

how abt loa with wod support capabilities

and maybe the ??? one to

[hoary mountain]

i would be totally fine if they just stopped releasing more types and every character from now on is just LoA

[final locust]

i just don't think LoA fits her

[hoary mountain]

i like my QTEs

[final locust]

LoA is cool in concept but for both of HoRb's forms to be equally represented i don't think LoA would work
and if it was LoA it sounds clunky imo

[lapis frigate]

but cmon hear me out what if one of her wod abilities for her ar extends rondo state by 5s and SO by 20

[final locust]

that'd be disgustingly overpowered lmao

[lapis frigate]

and atop of that elemental and physical dmg bonus and breach

and total dmg 50%

[edgy drift]

the qte is the only not clunky part of her kit tho

[final locust]

i dont think she should give breach, at least not elebreach
physbreach yes i am completely on board with that

[lapis frigate]

and also impairing!!!!

and def shred 100%

[final locust]

nah, all phys valks have self impair in their stigs already

[lapis frigate]

ON ALL ENEMIES

AS A PERMANENT BUFF!

[final locust]

impair is def shred

[lapis frigate]

right

i forgot

[main goblet]

hello, can someone tell me how's FWS (new kiana) as a WS support thus far? and if there's any new teams that use FWS as a WS support?
also this is extra but i would like to know how she is as a LoA support as well if there's any info to say
thanks!

[edgy drift]

she's good

[final locust]

she's really good

i believe now everyone uses double kiana but dont quote me on that

[hoary mountain]

when was the last time 2 characters of a kind was meta

[final locust]

i dont believe it ever was but that's probably wrong

something way in the past probably used two of the same char

[hoary mountain]

im willing to bet 2 bronyas with haxxor bunny as one was a thing at some point

[main goblet]

ohhh i see
so would the team be WS lead, new kiana but would vita or hofi be used?

[final locust]

oh SW HB probably was

oh and double griseo in 7.1

[lapis frigate]

*PREPARE FOR TROUBLE, MAKE IT DOUBLE ahh moment

[hoary mountain]

i feel like both vita and fiery wishes would take up too much time so im willing to bet HoFi

[main goblet]

oh i see, fair

[final locust]

BFWS has fast detonations too iirc

[hoary mountain]

i meant like an outside of outburst rotation

[soft prawn]

kiana likes to trigger those WS rings as quickly as she can!!

[lapis frigate]

stupid idea for a team but taiko no tatsujin (badum) kiana, senadina and vita

would that work or am i delulu

[soft prawn]

only if sena is dps/leader

[final locust]

4 characters in a team

[lapis frigate]

sena is the dps dw

[hoary mountain]

yea

that is definately a team yep

[lapis frigate]

wdym 4

kiana, sena and vita

[final locust]

oh thought u were saying badum, kiana, sena, vita

[soft prawn]

I only see 2 characters in that team tho?

[hoary mountain]

i wish waxing moon didnt exist

[main goblet]

now now who should be the aop in that team that can complement the theme

[lapis frigate]

well my other way of saying badum kiana is "taiko no tatsujin kiana" bc yk she plays the drums 😭

[soft prawn]

kiana, sena, hohe

[hoary mountain]

those 3 cant make a meta team

[soft prawn]

| can support LoAscension, WoDestiny and one more future AR team.
nevermind

[main goblet]

waxing moon only exist because i kept wishing that i can use hofi outside of trio, sorry /j

[hoary mountain]

i cant complete like 5 meta teams all because i dont have waxing moon

[soft prawn]

do you guys think that kiana or hohe might have another support ??? ring after the next one?

[main goblet]

yeah only two of each can work in the same team, not all three

[soft prawn]

[main goblet]

i doubt it

the main thing is just how good is the ??? thing so that both can stay relevant for a while

[hoary mountain]

are there any hints on what ??? might be

[soft prawn]

nop

[hoary mountain]

cuz Songque spoiled it by having a lot in her kit that relies on her QTE

do we have any of those

[main goblet]

no as far as i know

she does have healing but that could just be for herself

(new kiana i mean)

[hoary mountain]

thats just her

Dudu and human:ego dont got allat

[main goblet]

que sure was an interesting case tho

[lapis frigate]

i think smth like joint attacking all together something similar to dream link in wuwa

[soft prawn]

ig it will be something about combo / weapon attacks

[main goblet]

it would be interesting if they tried to do a theme about dmg sharing
but that would only be best against multiple minions

[hoary mountain]

name 1 part 2 character that isnt already weapon and combo attacks

[soft prawn]

trying to brainstorm any kind of potential combo between a new ring and hohe/kiana but eh

[main goblet]

i hope they don't try to make one based on evasion anytime soon

[hoary mountain]

oh right one of the moon rings was evasion huh

[main goblet]

lmao

[soft prawn]

empowered burst ?

[main goblet]

its trio hell all over again

but it is an idea

[hoary mountain]

omg i miss the joint attacks from the moon rings now

[main goblet]

the output will vary a lot on the exact team tho

[soft prawn]

at first I was trying to make it about reactions, but while hohe has freeze trauma, kiana has no ignite iirc

hohe goes into ult whatever a ring is on, so that is surely connected

[main goblet]

thinking about Benares from the event lmao?

[soft prawn]

yeah

I'd like to play more similar events in the future

[hoary mountain]

i'll take any event thats not cards

[soft prawn]

how much SP consuming is new kiana?

[main goblet]

im not sure if its too late to go genshin style and make reactions
this will suggest having different elements tho and assuming that the characters can at least be a type that would work fine in abyss

[lapis frigate]

what is moon rings

[main goblet]

apho 2 mechanic

[hoary mountain]

its a mechanic in a post honkai oddysey 2

its basically beta astral rings

[lapis frigate]

ive never played apho 2 before

[main goblet]

mhm

[hoary mountain]

oh its fire

[main goblet]

fr fr fr

[mild owl]

apho2 also has suffocate which increases damage taken when the enemy has 2 traumas iirc

so maybe reaction ring is real

[main goblet]

prepare to see rainbow colors in ur screen

[hoary mountain]

LGTV+ damage

[main goblet]

😭

you'll deal more dmg if you buy a better screen as well

[hoary mountain]

[lapis frigate]

for now my prediction for the next astral ring is gonna be smth like joint attacking

smth like wuwa's dream link mechanic

[hoary mountain]

thats kind of a tight guess cuz wheel of destiny comes pretty close

but i guess its pretty hard for them to make 12 vastly diffirent astral rings

[rustic stump]

Co op?

[lapis frigate]

basically wuwa's dream link has this mechanic where after unleashing 3 ults of the chars in the team dream link activates and full synergy can be unleashed between characters

[hoary mountain]

i was so upset when co-op was gone man

the things i would do to get co-op back

[lapis frigate]

i actually had a stupid idea

[soft prawn]

HP Connection:
Kiana Ultimate: Hit the drum real hard. Deal 1200% (v2) > 1500% (v3) ATK of Fire DMG, and restore 888 HP for the team. Has time stop.
HoHe Passive: When an enemy carrying Pristine Seed is defeated, restores 50 HP, and grants 1 Crystal Ice Mirror stack in Herrscher of Human form.

SP Connection:
HoHe DK: Ultimate will consume all current SP
Kiana: Nothing Really 💀

nah idk, at this point I guess they'll come up with something entirelly different that has nothing to do with current gameplay, fucking summon all 3 of them and make big
AAAAH

got one more just now while typing this
Summon Connection:
Kiana has a big fire snake 🔥
HoHe has a big stingray 🐟

[verbal mountain]

but what does dudu summon

she also has ??? tag right

[hoary mountain]

spearge

[soft prawn]

dudu has ??? tag

I didnt know that 😭

[lapis frigate]

basically smth like coop but we have boss rush where all the bosses are insanely tanky and a maximum of 8 players can be in the mode

[hoary mountain]

4 spearge

[lapis frigate]

coop but way worse LMAOOOO

imagine the amount of people unleashing astral ring at the same time altogether

[soft prawn]

Kevin boss fight is now slightly more balanced

[hoary mountain]

imagine paikon doing boss rush with viewers. I destroyed the galaxy with 8 Vitas

[lapis frigate]

"i nuked the universe with 8 lanterns"

[hoary mountain]

i married the world with 8 herrschers of human

[soft prawn]

8 simp theresa summoning the dolls

[lapis frigate]

"i dominated the world with 8 thelemas"

[hoary mountain]

I had a slumber party with 8 SIMPs

[main goblet]

i can't imagine how the screen would be with part 2 ults

[lapis frigate]

"i gave the universe elation with 8 sparkles"

[main goblet]

😭

[lapis frigate]

mobile players are COOKED

[main goblet]

im cooked 😭

[hoary mountain]

mobile players wouldnt be cooked they'd be a 3 michelin star meal

[lapis frigate]

btw the catch is no dupe characters

[soft prawn]

I stopped playing coop once it broke my phone

using sushang ultimate...

[hoary mountain]

omg i think sushang also ruined my phone

[soft prawn]

mine blew up while I was holding it

[hoary mountain]

why is it sushang

[lapis frigate]

sushang so op she breaks devices

[hoary mountain]

wait are you being fr fr 😭

[soft prawn]

yes, I still have it, there was a little sparkle and smoke came out from it, the battery ended up pushing the back of the phone and opened it

[hoary mountain]

i didnt even know thats possible

[lapis frigate]

naurrr

[main goblet]

hello to coop we have:
hsr display screen
star jumper destroyed the earth as we speak
oh man that's a giant stick kiana don't stab someone's eye with it!
kiana joining vita with earth clearing
ugh thelema why did you throw all of these chains in the room i can't walk now
wait lantern NOO 💥 💥

[soft prawn]

neither did I till it actually happen, she came back after 500 years just to put off my phone

[lapis frigate]

lantern be nuking the entire place with that thick ass rocket launcher she has when she pulls off the combo atk

[hoary mountain]

dont forget the perma sleep SIMP

[main goblet]

sena is not helping pls stop showing off ur yoyo skills

[main goblet]

lmaoo

[main goblet]

and coralie slightly contributing to the madness

[lapis frigate]

"ELYSIA, STOP FLASHBANGING THE VIEWERS GOD DAMN IT"

[hoary mountain]

elyisia ults are actually the worst 😭

[main goblet]

ely is distracting us from the earth destruction

[lapis frigate]

kiana just pulls the miku miku beam at you

[soft prawn]

Imagine everyone summoning a domain:
HoO ultimate
HoHe ultimate
two different seeles ults
HoS brick 💀
HoT flying around with a big dragon
HoFi time domain 🔥
Simp bombing with dolls and Songque throwing tsunamis everywhere

then Vita and Sparkle nuking everything

[hoary mountain]

btw im still waiting for the APHO vodka sisters

[main goblet]

meanwhile que is enjoying the madness with her sunglasses

[soft prawn]

she's so chill

[hoary mountain]

shes just a chill gal

[lapis frigate]

songque pulls off the fontaine prophecy

with her fish lantern

[main goblet]

and she's stealing politely taking stuff away as we speak

[soft prawn]

I almost forgot about MPE maid cage, how could I

[hoary mountain]

Senti is her coworker

[soft prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/elysia-honkai-poo-gif-22894023

[main goblet]

fr

[hoary mountain]

maid cage is crazy

[soft prawn]

I want the emoticon that appears when you ult with maid skin

[main goblet]

you might as well build a theme park with all of these domain ults

or a museum

[solar surge]

https://tenor.com/view/elysiaulti-gif-23933290

[hoary mountain]

kinda random question

which character would fit best as a Mita mod for Miside

[soft prawn]

depends on the mita ig?

[ember locust]

Sweet Trap more accurately

[main goblet]

strange, i did play coop a bit more b4 it was removed with my phone and i was fine
that being said i did not meet someone that used sushang....

[lapis frigate]

welcome to boss rush coop! we have:
sena yoyo trick showoffer
thelema dominating the enemies like always
lantern reenacting the chernobyl incident
songque washing everyone with still water
SImp teriri being the procrastinator she is (with puppets doing all the work)
vita nuking the entire server with her gundam (star jumper)
sparkle pulling THE ELATION on everyone
dudu tryna run away with her hoverboard (she is not running)
hofi kiana hitting off the miku miku beam
ELYSIA STOP FLASHBANGING MY EYES!!
badum kiana with the DRUMS GO BRRRRRRR!!!!

[main goblet]

maybe because i used to be a low level idk

dudu is the sole survivor of this madness and she ends it all with her javelin

meanwhile the aops are just there posing for the camera

[lapis frigate]

sigh

we need a sword p2 user

so i can do vergil memes...

[soft prawn]

new mei when

[main goblet]

new valk to slap 7t at! /j

[hoary mountain]

next mei is ruan mei trust

[main goblet]

imagine new mei new kiana team

oh no are we looping back to the trio

[scarlet stream]

Best possible outcome

[ember locust]

Tbh it's more probable for her to be LoA or just the new incoming AR tag

[ember locust]

Ooof slander

[final locust]

she deserves it

[glossy vale]

Hov astral ring when/j

[ember locust]

Yeah unhappily, so far one of the most unfutureproof valks in P2, along with Helia

[final locust]

actually lantern is decently futureproof

as much as i dog on her she's still got buffs that you literally cannot use

seems like she's made for a phys WS dps

[verbal mountain]

it's going to be horb

trust

[final locust]

stop it

you are not funny. you are not cute. you are not cool

[vale granite]

Well, we know how ele WS worked out for Lantern alr

I doubt Lantern in Phys WS will be super notable

[ember locust]

N o, she's litterally not

[final locust]

she has unusable buffs therefore futureproof

as much as i hate her
she still has some potential future use cases

[vale granite]

Yes, but who said that these buffs are good

[ember locust]

Either that or a WoD phy DPS other than Songque

[verbal mountain]

i mean she's decent for sparkle team

[final locust]

im pretty sure they're actually nice

[vale granite]

Could be a niche case that requires hitcount, that's it

[vale granite]

She's quite mid there if you don't need hitcount, no?

[verbal mountain]

iirc she had almost the same score as s0 vita on tona

[vale granite]

[final locust]

@vale granite

[vale granite]

40% Phys DMG 🗣️ 🔥

I assume it's not all of them

[verbal mountain]

she has crit rate and crit dmg buffs too iirc

[final locust]

yeah

crit rate is gonna be SUPER nice for a phys WS bc youll have to use sera

[verbal mountain]

or they just slap in phys WS into another random aop

with crit rate

[vale granite]

Or we don't get a Phys WS until Lantern becomes irrelevant

[final locust]

wdym until

lmao
she already is irrelevant

HHE is gonna put her even further into the ground

[vale granite]

That's false strictly speaking

[final locust]

where is she relevant

hitcount? that's like 1 or 2 bosses

[vale granite]

Hence the "strictly speaking"

[final locust]

then hohe was relevant before dkey strictly speaking

[vale granite]

Yes

[final locust]

and SW was relevant before lantern

[vale granite]

SW was relevant after Lantern as well ☝️ 🤓

[final locust]

no

[vale granite]

Wdym "no"
Lantern was better than SW on Kalpas only if you had ranks on Lantern

[final locust]

i know

[ember locust]

@vale granite She's litterally irrevelant and HoHe is litterally burrying her tombstone. The only boss that Lantern keeps is litterally Mobius

Litterally

[vale granite]

Well, it's a matter of definition then

I define it as "topscoring at least 1 boss"

[ember locust]

Songque is doing better than Lantern for Kalpas Ranged lol

[vale granite]

Yes, ik

I was talking about 7.5 specifically, when Songque didn't exist yet

[ember locust]

Well eventually indeed but HoHe and SW were still there

[gleaming imp]

Lampbad

[ember locust]

Lampworse

[final locust]

said literally 3 times and didnt spell it right a single one 💔

[ember locust]

I somehow have a problem with this word lol, I'm not an native english speaker

[final locust]

english speakers cant spell it either. the way i remembered it was by saying lite rally

lite rally literally

until i got it down

[final locust]

well no

there's still fire tank and mobius

and anything hitcount

overall lantern has been relegated to just niche tho, which makes me very very happy

i wonder if hohe being WoD was intentional

like were they thinking about lantern or not

we'll never know

[ember locust]

Songqueee, Bitaaaa

[final locust]

both are worse than lantern for hitcount

[ember locust]

Tank is just WoD, and it has light Light and Ice Resistance

Not even heavy

[final locust]

there is a fire tank

[ember locust]

That's still WoD Tank normally

[final locust]

no its not what

[ember locust]

https://marisaimpact.com/boss?shadowtank

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[final locust]

the hell is that

[ember locust]

Data on Abyss Bosses

[final locust]

dude
im talking about weather
there is a fire up ice down tank

[ember locust]

Just look directly at the link

[final locust]

fire 50% bonus ice 50% debuff tank

[ember locust]

That's litterally the Shadow weather deadass

[final locust]

bro

[ember locust]

There's no Fire Tank

[final locust]

NO ITS NOT
IT IS FIRE WEATHER

[final locust]

yes there issss

[ember locust]

Look at the website, there's only Tona, Kosma and Mobius in Fire Weather

[final locust]

it probably just hasnt left beta then
but there 1000% is one they just have to run it

[ember locust]

The reason why Lantern takes Tank is bc it's Wod weather + Light/Ice Res

[final locust]

dont you think i know that

[ember locust]

Bc the elemental res is light

[final locust]

i wouldnt say there was a fire tank if i thought it was WoD weather
there is a fire weather tank, it just hasnt ran yet

[ember locust]

Even other WoD DPS can complete, hence why Ely can compete

[ember locust]

It never ran outside of Beta

Since it's a WoD one

[final locust]

i just said that multiple times

[final locust]

breh

[ember locust]

Non-existent Fire Tank

[nova osprey]

Fire tank did run a few times, there was also ranged tank

[final locust]

SEE

[nova osprey]

[ember locust]

That's 7.5 planing btw

[ember locust]

Never was outside of Beta

[final locust]

ITS RIGHT THERE AJSPFHJAPFHAWP

[ember locust]

Even 6.2 planning doesn't even have a trace of it

[final locust]

so are these just made up

[nova osprey]

6.9 was the last time fire tank run

[ember locust]

Ok nvm

[nova osprey]

[ember locust]

But still, it's not like it's likely to rerun

[final locust]

everything runs

[ember locust]

You cannot imagine a result

On something that does not exist

Not like the boss doesn't exist

But rather Lantern was not there back then

[final locust]

its there on every beta where you can test lantern

and if it does run obv shes gonna topscore

[ember locust]

Alright then, still doesn't change the fact that they chose to not bring it back

Surely bc it's not adapted in difficulty to the current meta

[final locust]

what

[ember locust]

*To not bring it back since 6.9

I mean

[final locust]

what does that mean tho

[ember locust]

That means Lantern cannot take a boss if it's not running with it's weather. They literally created WoD Weather tank for that

[final locust]

im really confused what any of this is supposed to mean

[ember locust]

The point is that the old tank Fire weather would be completly defeated by Lantern without any difficulty if it is that old. Remember that the DMG/DPS scale is just not the same anymore bc of P2

Some boss can hold it

[final locust]

um what

that makes no sense

[ember locust]

Just a matter of balance

[final locust]

the age of the boss makes no difference in the difficulty
the disturbance has increased by 100s since then

and if that was really the case old bosses like kasumi wouldnt be running either

[ember locust]

Whatever I'm not debating this shit anymore

[final locust]

right

[ember locust]

No that I don't want too, but I have to wake up early tomorrow

And I'm not gonna sacrifice more of my sleep considering the fact that I have a pro training tomorrow

[feral veldt]

Oy

What's Senadina's best team nowadays?

For the offstage in the current abyss.

I've got everyone except Lantern.

[glass nacelle]

hfi vita

[gusty thistle]

Hows cny kiana so far

[final locust]

great

[gleaming imp]

How's elydk without thelema looking so far in live servers?

[half shard]

sleep in Keksumi and Higo

[nova osprey]

Dead

[gleaming imp]

[glass nacelle]

thelemaless in 2025

[plucky cradle]

[glass nacelle]

negative dmg when

[plucky cradle]

negative dmg in 2025

[glass nacelle]

[plucky cradle]

elygone so quickly couldn't make it to finisher

[glass nacelle]

[still vine]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[kindred needle]

So elysia dk consists of pure dmg buffs is that it

[final locust]

cringeseeker

[plucky cradle]

[final locust]

where sera

or even songque
that cringe asop is not allowed

[plucky cradle]

can't use kalpas 1 with sera

[final locust]

even elyelf is acceptable

[plucky cradle]

seracringe

[final locust]

yes you can?

[plucky cradle]

nope

[final locust]

wait is kalpas 1 the one that limits HP or is that 2

[plucky cradle]

she keeps your hp at 70%

[plucky cradle]

2

[final locust]

so just do kalpas 2 instead

u kek

[plucky cradle]

she doesn't heal

[final locust]

yes she does

[plucky cradle]

also kp1's additional dmg is much bigger than kp2

[final locust]

when you enter SO
all limited asops heal

[plucky cradle]

not sufficient for fast clear

[final locust]

use elyelf

[plucky cradle]

elf in 2025

[final locust]

anything but shitseeker

[plucky cradle]

not talking to your slowass <2.1b dmg

[final locust]

i will have 2.1b

when i can actually play it

bc ely is the best ER valk

what rank is yours?

[plucky cradle]

ss2

[final locust]

oh fuck

[glass nacelle]

ds > ely elf kek

[final locust]

nuh uh