off-topic-discussion

[wraith karma]

now don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed the amphoreus story, I just feel like it's flawed

[dusky wigeon]

Belobog was what made me like HSR to begin with! best story arc imho!

[blazing plume]

I have ten days left to complete everything
And I havent tocuhed the events, and only got to the part fo the story where aventurine shows up

[earnest dew]

At the start of the brand new game we all are excited so any trash story too would feel great one at the start because we never touched it before

After sometime we begin to feel how story is ongoing

[kindred jungle]

same lol

[glacial beacon]

this is where I believe tastes of mine clash with general audience takes a lot of people say belobog is the best arc but imo belobog is the least of the arcs alongside the xianzhou because while it's easy to follow and enjoyable it's not really saying anything that significant it's a very simple story that isn't really trying to teach anything which is fine every story is allowed to do whatever it wants but imo belobog isn't much in terms of "high art" it's just very enjoyable

however I do know most people are simply looking for "entertainment factor"

[dusky wigeon]

I would enjoy 10 Belobogs, genuinely

[glacial beacon]

why I enjoy hsr so much though is for 2.0 forward which feels biblically profound ever since then and everything going forward so far

[kindred jungle]

i didnt rlly care for belebog mostly bc i wasnt paying much attention as i just wanted to get up to acheron appearing

[novel sluice]

Some people are the gift that keeps giving sis

[kindred jungle]

i shifted from playing hi3 to understand hsr to playing hsr so i can see all the little hi3 references

[novel sluice]

Not much has changed I see

[glacial beacon]

but how I view media in general is not for "simple enjoyment" or "time passing" I like things that exist to say something about life and teach lessons/offer perspective/grow the audience watching them in some way, which is exactly what hsr is from 2.0 forward

[wraith karma]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-help-me-gif-18351511120546678838

[obsidian jetty]

SO TRUE SUS

[novel sluice]

Soli falls to his knees at the walmart

[obsidian jetty]

i mean sis

[errant fractal]

sus

[obsidian jetty]

[errant fractal]

sos

[obsidian jetty]

sus

[novel sluice]

[errant fractal]

sis is sus

[wraith karma]

I just saw someone who saw me fall to my knees at walmart

[novel sluice]

Probably they were sharing the scene on discord

[obsidian jetty]

like sis theres one guy in my server who always has those r units

and he always has like 950-1050 trophies

[dusky wigeon]

I mean… I also think that art is not just entertainment, but in my eyes art first and foremost is about beauty
Belobog’s arc in my eyes is good art, because it’s beautiful, while later arcs, be they more deep or not, are less beautiful

[obsidian jetty]

when i see that ik its free for me

[novel sluice]

Free food

[obsidian jetty]

i just saw someone witness soli fall to his knees in walmart

[errant fractal]

sunny

[novel sluice]

Me

[errant fractal]

last i checked i had 17k buck capsules

[novel sluice]

Big moneh

[glacial beacon]

fair, though I don't agree, would love to explain it to you in detail another time perhaps, I am surprised with how you seem to generally be on the same page as me with the intellectual topics and your knowledge base though, perhaps if I gave you my perspective you might see something more

[errant fractal]

i haven’t checked how many i have yet

[novel sluice]

[errant fractal]

oh god

batteries too

[dusky wigeon]

as much as Enlightenment sucked for the general public, I think Michelangelo’s works triumph over pretty much anything from Medieval Ages, simply because they are beautiful

[errant fractal]

i didn’t sell any yesterday

[wraith karma]

help

[novel sluice]

Feels nice when you sell out and the outpost runs out of credits to give and you still have leftover items

[dusky wigeon]

sure, that’s fair

[wraith karma]

im bottoming out

[errant fractal]

best feeling in endfield

[neon tiger]

I take some credits ^^

[novel sluice]

Meanwhile wuling is like a minimal wage slave credit earning wise

[dusky wigeon]

just in case you wanna write it any time soon, I’ll be cooking now, @glacial beacon, so would only be able to reply later

[errant fractal]

i think i have a bunch of syringes and xira batts too

[wraith karma]

everything so expensive

[glacial beacon]

alrighty, though perhaps not so soon, I intend to write it all anyways for essays I intend to make via youtube which i've delayed due to the fact I want to catch up on hi3 in full since it does offer me more value to hsr's story which was part of what got me here at all, not that the 2 are literally connected but they are spiritually connected in what they mean and intend to say they rhyme basically if you've ever heard of this, george lucas made a comment about how the prequels and the original movies of star wars rhyme for example

I would also say the reason I get so much out of hsr and all is because I don't enjoy things from the plot level alone i'm looking for what it "actually means" real life significance wise and see fiction as a method of conveying profound meaning via abstraction to share feelings and thats fictions value as art

and that that layer generally goes ignored by most

[novel sluice]

https://youtu.be/-PeehIOpBrY I noticed some of these but some of these animations are way too cute, especially chen

[errant fractal]

24k buck capsule

21k batts

[glacial beacon]

It just depends on perspective really which everyones entitled to how they feel, it's more than likely that I simply take a perspective that is extremely niche, to me HSR is not overly long, the game is written to be thought provoking and intellectually engaging, i've seen many voices of dissent that say it feels like the game wants you to have a phd, or that it feels like reading a master thesis from soli earlier, or that there's too much information, or that it repeats the same information that could be more simply summarized and I am not devaluing these complaints everyones perspective is valid but only so far as "your feelings are valid" however none of the above is objective criticism or inherently a negative

The reason I love HSR so much is specifically because of those things, it is inviting deep thought because it essentially is asking you to treat it like a study, it's written like a novel and it's purpose is to invite you into a greater understanding of the world, not it's fictitious world but our own

it often uses tons of purple prose, quotes from philosophical text/poetry to "repeat information" in different wording but it's not filler

[gusty kestrel]

Wow

Thats a sairessay

Well actually maybe not a full essay

[glacial beacon]

something you learn is that people can't be change but only change themselves, the point is that it's trying to get you to come to the realization of these concepts on your own via the way it tends to pose its concepts via questions/proverbs

it's essentially trying to have you on your own come to the knowledge yourself for the sake of reaching a real enlightenment

[wraith karma]

Hey I've seen this before

[glacial beacon]

but people generally simply want the information straight up to follow the story in an instant gratification manner

[wraith karma]

https://tenor.com/view/yamcha-yamcha-death-pose-yamcha-dead-yamcha-on-the-ground-yamcha-sleeping-gif-15816799

[glacial beacon]

which is fine, its just that's not what hsr is doing and it's not that it's failing it's that it's intent doesn't allign with what people want from it

it is essentially trying to effectively teach the audience it is very much like learning it wants to be studied

now this isn't my essay at all because that would be like a 20 hour long video where i dissect the entire thing from start to current since that's what it would take to properly explain and that's what ive been working on for a very long time but that's not something I can just type out and put in a chat like this

simply saying why I believe it's a masterpiece but that it isn't accessible/to general tastes

which again no ones tastes being invalidated, to not like it is perfectly acceptable no one "has" to like anything

[lone hare]

Waow

[earnest dew]

For me wuthering story be far the best and well written

[glacial beacon]

and i'm glad you love it i havent tried it yet

[earnest dew]

There was a time when I could try completing HSR story and keep playing for 2 to 3 hours

I could never get more bored of the game than that

It never happened in any other game except genshin and hi3

[glacial beacon]

I understand people's perspectives 100% the thing that makes people not enjoy it as much as me like what you just said is just a simple difference in perspective and also people want different things out of what they engage with

[earnest dew]

For me hi3 game story is as short as pressing skip button

[stiff mirage]

im poor in mats now

no sanity to farm stuffs too

[wraith karma]

gilberta essence dropped

[stiff mirage]

insane

[wraith karma]

also 700+ int reached

[blazing plume]

Yeah, belebog is pretty simple
The problem is is that mihoyo really shines when it writes simple, tragic stories

See the empress character in Penacony, Chadwick from the Genius Society, and that one sword from Yunli’s story

Once it tries to get more complex, it gets bogged down and overly pretentious

[glacial beacon]

to me story is a profoundly important thing it's not about simple enjoyment it's the art of passing along human wisdom to others it's the perspective of an artist/artists that is trying to emotionally communicate and resonate with others and there's a very strong value in that but that's also subjective as to why one would engage with media, many don't engage with things like this

[blazing plume]

[blazing plume]

Soli would never

[blazing plume]

Well, f me

[scarlet dune]

They do struggle a lot with "complex" stuff because they also try to make it sound more complex than it is

[wraith karma]

[unreal vigil]

[scarlet dune]

they can have a good message but drown it in poor writing and running circles around it

[glacial beacon]

I don't think it's that it makes it more complex than it is this is a "feeling" thing so its of course extremely hard to communicate with words though I try my absolute best but the way they write it is to try and get you to come to "understanding" it's not about learning in the sense of being told straight up for example

if I told you a wisdom sentiment or quoted a philosopher

you would obtain that knowledge yes and fast

but would you in your soul "understand and integrate it into your mind"

or would you know it like trivia

hsr is not trying to "simply tell you things"

its trying to cause profound understanding in you

it doesnt over talk to make filler dialogue it's that its trying to express something to you to cause you inside to actually recieve of that information on a deeper inner level

that's the point of proverbs and philosophical quotes in general they are to provoke inner thought

[scarlet dune]

but proverbs and quotes provoke thoughts because they are short

and not excrutiatingly giving you every detail on every step of the reasoning in as many little details as possible

[glacial beacon]

not necessarily but it depends on how much you are willing to engage with something

and that's not saying that you "have to"

[wraith karma]

what do you mean f me, you showed the live footage

[glacial beacon]

as I said everyones opinions are their own and everyone can feel how they do, that's a beautiful thing in life that i'd never get in the way of, however people tend to make the mistake of claiming something is "objectively bad" "objectively done wrong" etc when the reality is they simply don't like it but conflate that notion with "truth"

I am not pushing that "everyone should love hsr" but explaining "this is what it actually is and who it's actually for"

everything atleast if it has value is "for a niche"

[earnest dew]

I am into all these gacha games for these stories. I have no interest in getting characters being competitive in fights or purchase skins I just love playing story

but there shoud be some quality in story

I just simply don't wanna keep running here and there talk to 3 peoples, interact 3 gears, go to 3rd floor, kill 3 waves of enemies and repeat

[glacial beacon]

and that's what I mean though, HSR is quality, it's simply not to your tastes though. which isn't a slight against you, the thing is that something being quality doesn't mean you have to like it or will

for example what you just said I understand why someone would dislike, very understandable and that's fair

to me and for me, that's not relevant though since that's not really detrimental to what it's doing it's only detrimental to a player who feels disengaged by constant dialogue

which is fair for someone to feel that way but that's not an objective fault it's a subjective fault

if you play it like a novel as its very much written like and are there for the story only in the sense of enjoying it like that it's doing exactly as it should

[scarlet dune]

you went far to search for that strawman

[neon tiger]

dont forget: to confirm your choice jump three times

[glacial beacon]

I apologize if that's a strawman

i didn't realize it if it is

can you tell me why it is one?

I would like to correct it

[scarlet dune]

this line just above is you creating the argument to then answer to it

[wraith karma]

[glacial beacon]

oh alright let me get rid of it sorry bad habit

[scarlet dune]

which is pretty much the definition of a strawman

[glacial beacon]

yes and I apologize that I did that it wasn't intended, my brain can run a little out of line when i'm trying to make a point, to me it felt like I was in the lines

I will be more careful next time

[scarlet dune]

from what I understand of the argument there and probably what you went from, it's that this kind of presentation only serves to pad the time in the story and breaks pacing

and my own added argument on the writing, is that this isn't just a novel but a visual media, and hoyo is notoriously bad at the "show don't tell" part of visual medias

[glacial beacon]

fair point if people feel that way, I don't personally but all I was trying to essentially say is that there's not much objective about these things in the first place

[scarlet dune]

which also adds back to my statement above of them trying to always explain everything in excruciating details instead of just showing you (or even right after showing you)

[stiff mirage]

how big demege

[wraith karma]

700+ int

[stiff mirage]

[wraith karma]

I just have a very smart laevatain

[stiff mirage]

my lavi is still a dumbo

[glacial beacon]

to me it's just a matter of trying to defend what I see as beautiful and profound, not everyone will see the same things in everything but i've never been more moved by anything and not for lack of experience. I know that saying so much i'm achieving the exact opposite of what I want to which means I have a long way to go in learning how to communicate my thoughts. All I really want is to share what I believe with others and perhaps have others see it how I do if my offered perspective may help them to do so.

for me it's a story that completely changed my life single handedly in very substantial ways that are too numerous to count

[scarlet dune]

I mean, a good message and bad writing can coexist just fine tbh

[glacial beacon]

the past year with hsr made me a better person across the board, changed my lifestyle habits, changed my beliefs, and brought me inner peace and self understanding like nothing before

and I disagree that it's bad writing

subjective again

[stiff mirage]

i choose games with hot men

[scarlet dune]

At a bad point in my life the one show that moved me was Guilty Crown, and it's objectively not great

but it still did hit me with some of what it had

[glacial beacon]

the thing is that I believe most things that even I used to believe as objective are really not objective, that we are trapped in a series of self delusions about the world around us in a lot of ways and that what we are used to or think we know can define and control our reality

so when you say that thing you mention is "objectively not great"

I may fundamentally disagree with you depending on what you believe is "objective"

[scarlet dune]

there is objectivity to be had in writing tho

while the enjoyment or appreciation of it is subjective, it can have a fundamentally objective rating

[glacial beacon]

I agree though I do believe that objectivity is heavily limited and only applies in very specific ways and that we may not have the same metrics by which we define objectivity

I think a lot of things we generally treat as rules and absolutes tend to not be

[scarlet dune]

there is a whole category of shows that are "so bad they're good"

[glacial beacon]

of course there are and that's definitely a section of media enjoyment though what i'm saying isn't about that

I am saying that I may not agree with what you believe to be objective to be objective not that you are wrong necessarily about believing whatever you believe to be objective, I havent heard what you think so of course I can't say but I am only saying that we may diverge in that

[neon tiger]

[glacial beacon]

why I say this for example many people would say "show don't tell" is a rule and an objective metric to judge writing by and if it is telling instead of showing more than not that it is "objectively worse off for it"

many sentiments like this exist and i'm not strawmanning btw i'm giving an example

[earnest dew]

I am at the final boss that snake lady and she's terrible I can't kill her

[glacial beacon]

but they are actually not objective criticisms if you study they are guidelines and these guidelines are based on what is "generally proven to work with most audiences"

sticting too strictly to these guidelines is a great way to succeed but not to innovate and it often traps people

[scarlet dune]

bringing a visual media and proceeding to not use the visual media is just bad practice tho

[earnest dew]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-arknights-endfield-endfield-shock-surprise-gif-7419916128416147422

[glacial beacon]

and i would call that subjective because something does not have to stick the box that you confine it to based on what you are willing to accept out of said medium and such thinking leads to stagnation

[scarlet dune]

if it doesn't bring anything more to the table than the one illustration every 5 pages or so of a ligth novel, release a light novel

[glacial beacon]

enlightenment and growth are the goal of our species that we should strive for

rigid thinking like what you stated imo is harmful

not that i'm villainizing you btw you are allowed to think as you will

and yes that does sound melodramatic

but i'm simply stating my belief and it extends beyond just this topic

imo nothing "has" to be anything

art is free to do as it will according to the artists vision

and its not about audience enjoyment or comfort because i dont treat media as a product

art is more important than that it has meaning to us as a species its why we revere it so highly

[scarlet dune]

you do realize they are doing it like this out of time constraints and limitations rather than artistic vision at least right ?

[glacial beacon]

i don't generally subscribe to bad faith leaps based on what is "statistically or cynically likely to be the case" though I understand that such thinking is born of a desire to protect oneself

i have a more optimistic and hopeful outlook on life

even if it can be considered naivety

[cerulean robin]

Hoyos always done the show part of their stories only when it fits in the narrative though. They've primarily relied on the tell and only done the show when it's narratively important

[earnest dew]

Now this room contains way more dialogues than amphoreus story

[glacial beacon]

I will add that I don't fully disagree, of course with such a development schedule things will not always turn out how they are envisioned to and that there is business processes/interventions/etc it's not that I deny any of this happens and that art isn't filtered through it when produced via a studio however I don't think that devalues it as much as many others tend to.

I think it's more of an unfortunate aspect but that the good will and intentions of the artists/creators behind a work will shine through and that matters more, though there are extreme cases where something is utterly ruined but then that's the business fault not the creators fault (reality is its a case by case basis what was "at fault" as everything in life is, nothing can be generalized or put in a box), basically it's up to the viewer whether they believe it's still of value despite these things.

[grand burrow]

[grim citrus]

I got reported on BF6 twice today

I'm literally garbage lmaooo

[earnest dew]

Nothing will happen

https://tenor.com/view/battlefield-battlefield-6-the-simpsons-ai-slop-slop-gif-14354396918220884130

[grand burrow]

[blazing plume]

https://tenor.com/view/alucard-treat-hellsing-oh-you-are-just-a-treat-gif-5839260502079230020

[wraith karma]

TIL tangtang's EN va is also her CN va

[mellow prairie]

i d still use this on bennett

[dusky wigeon]

That’s fair… the way I see art is more like…
there’s substance to things and the form is the packaging
and I think if it comes to art, then the packaging itself is the substance
So an ugly bastard painted by ­-­-say­-­- Rembrandt would be better art than a stick figure of the hottest chick on earth. With the “ugly bastard” and “hot chick” being “substance” and the painting itself being the “form”.

Perhaps some examples would help to demonstrate what I mean… compare for instance the scenes from original Silent Hill 2 (a remastered, as I sadly couldn’t find such a comparison with the original original) and the remake.
https://youtu.be/NqNuta-n2tE?&t=99

The text itself is the same. But the voice acting and body language in the original is much stronger. The lighting in the remake doesn’t put her eyes in shadow. Also she looks older for some reason which is kinda unfitting for her as a character, considering who she as a character is.
Same “substance”, inferior “form” in the remake.
Details matter imho.

The way HSR presents its story is akin to a stage-play. Except on an actual stage in theater characters move much more. HSR strongly lacks at least in that aspect. With super lengthy dialogues this becomes much more apparent. It’s almost like HI3rd does more of it with characters at least making a step towards the camera and raising a hand or something.

Now I do enjoy the themes of Honkai too, I just think that themes alone aren’t enough.

[glacial beacon]

Amazing response, been thinking about how to respond to it/watched the video you attached in full just finished it, just wanted to let you know i'm considering what to say.

[glacial beacon]

Now how I would respond to this will sound like a middling take or not engaging with it with a proper response perhaps, I don't mean for that to be how it's taken and I will try my best to convey what I mean here. I don't believe that either scene here in the silent hill comparison is "objectively" better, I actually think both have strengths and weaknesses I was compelled by both by different parts. In my opinion there are many things that are more complicated than we wish to think and that comparative thinking is often pointless, for example I don't believe that a remake necessarily needs to do the same as the original, it can be a reinterpretation and theres nothing wrong with that. I understand many would disagree with that sentiment and there's nothing wrong with that but as I see it the original has aspects that are less compelling than the remake, the best example in the very video is that I really like how in the remake the scene shows james struggle with the question of "don't you want to touch me" in a really compelling way which if you know the thematic narrative of sh2 I would claim suits it very well on the side of ||James sexual issues||

I believe both do it in unique ways unto themselves and that there is no objective superior between them there is only "different" and one will work more for certain perspectives and the other will as well.

How I relate this back to hsr is continuing my general sentiment on this is that there is "nothing inherently wrong" with the game wanting to present itself basically as purely a novel with a game as icing on top of it.

and that it simply is made for those who will enjoy it as what it is as everything is ultimately.

I believe analysis can come in several forms one is simply to explain why you love and enjoy something which you expressed in your sentiments about why "sh1 did it better"

but what I want to try and express as hard as it is to come to this belief that there is no "better"

rules do not exist reality is defined by human concepts that are subject to change in the future

[dusky wigeon]

both are SH2 btw xD, but I got you

[unreal vigil]

Wtf is that wall of text?

As a response to another wall of text. Gg.

[dusky wigeon]

I mean… fair… I’m all pro “people should enjoy whatever they like” just think it could be much better in the medium of game

[grim citrus]

First report was because I was shooting blindly through smoke and got a lucky kill

The second report was because I killed a camper after I saw his laser pointing out from his hiding spot

[glacial beacon]

i apologize for whatever way my text got you confused here idk how you came to the need to say this based on my intent

[grim citrus]

Apparently people can't read that every laser besides the red one is visible to enemies

[glacial beacon]

i'm bad at communicating my thoughts without tons of time spent refining them

[dusky wigeon]

huh?

[cerulean robin]

I think they meant "i got you" as in "i understand what you're saying"

not as in a prank i got you

[dusky wigeon]

yes

[glacial beacon]

no no i didnt mean that at all

let me restart lol

[cerulean robin]

ah ok nvm then

[glacial beacon]

you said "both are sh2 btw" which infers to me at some point i must have expressed something that made you feel necessary to tell me that both games in the video are sh2

i wrote what i said with this as a fact already and i knew that

so i was confused where i failed to communicate that to compel you to clarify

[dusky wigeon]

I thought maybe you were thinking that Silent Hill 2 is the remake of Silent Hill 1, sorry

[glacial beacon]

no not at all

which means perhaps my entire explaination went misunderstood lol

I definitely need to get better at this stuff

[dusky wigeon]

no-no, I understood the point nonetheless

[glacial beacon]

but at the end of the road my point is basically that i believe that and i mean this with as little accusation as possible as hard as it is for it to not be a provocative statement

many people set their ways of enjoying things based on standards that are set based on common experience/what's normal/accepted and then define this as objective to what makes something good or not

for example while its fair for you to believe as you do and thats great be yourself of course

[glacial beacon]

i believe that this sentiment is a restrictive concept based on bias/expectation claiming what something should or ought to be

and that I inherently disagree with all such claims about any topic

[elfin bone]

[dusky wigeon]

I mean… yes! yes, it is in-fact restrictive, but…

one second

you’ve watched Eva, right?

https://youtu.be/0gNVCg6hrEI

[neon tiger]

tbh. I actually struggle to find the argumentation line between those 2 (3)

[cerulean robin]

im not entirely sure there is an argument going on xD

just people passionately describing their personal perspective on a topic and not getting personally offended (i think lol)

im just snooping since im also watching anime atm

like if i joined i couldnt keep watching (at least i cant talk and watch at the same time xD)

[glacial beacon]

i'm eating dinner brb.~ ❤️

[novel sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/mon-gif-4387519

How flor feels rn

https://youtube.com/shorts/z05XSDToMu4 schizophrenia update

[errant fractal]

oh so true

[dusky wigeon]

Just wanna say that I don’t think that enjoying and liking Amphoreus or anything else for that matter is somehow bad

sorry, if it came off this way, but I’m not the kind to do any “taste-policing” I just realized that it’s extremely common and maybe what I’ve said might have commen of this way — just wanna be clear that I do not mean anything I say in any such way

though I do think that some things are better than others (as in: comparisons are possible)

[cerulean robin]

some things are better to you yeah :3

[dusky wigeon]

true

[glacial beacon]

oh no, no one came off that way, I feel like I unfortunately generate misunderstandings a little too much

it's really honestly my bad in the first place since it's a little unnecessary to even discuss but I followed a feeling instead of just not.

No one's been wronged or offended atleast not me and nothing really required defending or explaining

I just wanted to explain why I like it and we got into a long discussion about viewpoints since the people responding to me levied their criticisms at the subject in question and I then tried to explain how I believe that what they had to say "generally" is not "objective"

and this got into my viewpoints about subjectivity and objectivity

[dusky wigeon]

one only knows that one knows nothing

[glacial beacon]

yes that's the line I was leading into eventually

[dusky wigeon]

but can we be sure of it either?

[glacial beacon]

Basically imo we don't really know much of anything for sure, we can believe in things theres nothing wrong with that and we should believe in things however the thing is that imo there's a state of being "tied down by thinking of things as objective"

the funny thing is the entire point of amphoreus antagonist actually centers around exactly what i'm saying

[dusky wigeon]

there are people who go as far as to say that Kant killed philosophy
which is a bit ironic, cause his reasoning that we “can’t know things in themselves” was basiclaly discovered by Greeks already more than 2k years ago

[glacial beacon]

in a level beneath the plot ||Zander is essentially a scholar who believes he ruined the entirety of the universe by creating Nous because he believes he defined the ceiling of knowledge and that he created a culture surrounding the worship of the ceiling of knowledge which by doing so made learning redundant as all answers were already found and accessible, he wanted to return all to nothing the primordial soup to reset reality so that perhaps under new variable a nous would never be created and the world would be free to learn without restriction once again.||

the point of amphoreus is largely ||about losing faith in the next generation/bad faith and how its a poison on culture, zander may never change from his course out of "sunk cost fallacy" but he does learn before it's over that he was wrong and he sees that the pursuit of greater knowledge beyond the established still exists in his peers (Herta)||

this is only one angle of that theme specifically surrounding the antagonist to add to the above

but I could literally go on for days

thats also far from the amount I could say on that as i'm being quite brief

[dusky wigeon]

you accidentally reminded me of the Library of Babel

[unreal vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/shinji-flopster-gif-8047851773124866543

[dusky wigeon]

Misato best girl btw

sorry, had to

https://giphy.com/gifs/neon-genesis-evangelion-EOa1wLqilqQ80

[glacial beacon]

also ||his perspective on ruining the universe is based on how at his heart Zandar is a scholar above all else, he believes learning is purpose in and of itself and that to watch a world wither away into ignorance and irreverance, scientists and scholars believing that there is nothing left to achieve and that there is only simple personal goals to use established knowledge for is essentially hell on earth to him, he is as most villains narcissistic, selfish, and he imposes what beauty in the world is on everyone else, since he percieves that he ruined all of reality he wishes to wipe the slate clean so that what he desires can possibly take it's place in the aftermath.||

[blazing plume]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/s/8FVBWJPowO

[scarlet dune]

||The main point for Nous aside from what you've said is that it's the actual creation of Laplace's Demon and the proof of determinism. If it's allowed to finish its computing, it'll prove that not a single act, thought or existence of anyone matters as everything has already been calculated. And as everything you do is known in advance, any aspect of free will you thought you had becomes inexistant.
Which as a side note is also what the history fictionologists and the Enigmata fight against, by throwing fakes into history and Nous's computations they believe they will prevent the universe from reaching true determinism by making its results inaccurate ||

[blazing plume]

Oh neat

[blazing plume]

Yeah Mr cave man is a great villain
He’s just bogged down by a lot of extraneous stuff, yaps a lot, then has that weird aside with Hsyliens

[glacial beacon]

Mhm ❤️ I agree it's really great and I think that's also part of why ||Zandar wants it destroyed||

[blazing plume]

Kinda weird because finality and Elio exists….

Although I guess Elio can see into potential futures

[glacial beacon]

it's personal opinions as I've said before but personally I don't really think HSR is overly wordy, I mean it doesn't mean anything for me to say this because it only applies to me but I have gone through every single update of hsr 2 times over (in the case of 1.0-2.3 4 times over) and I eagerly rewatch tons of it and not just "highs" but revisiting normal uncinematic monologue scenes

I personally find every single second of the story compelling and that its not overly wordy at all

[scarlet dune]

Elio is more on the opposite end actually, he sees branches resulting from human decisions which is more so the proof of free will and the opposite of determinism

[glacial beacon]

and that it often isnt repeating itself for no reason or being redundant

[scarlet dune]

and Finality is weird

[glacial beacon]

but its elaborating further with extra detail to further whatever philosophical debate its going for

[dusky wigeon]

Finality conceptually should technically prove Nous right

but yeah, it’s weird with what it is

[glacial beacon]

and it intends for the viewer to engage in this debate in their own head while playing the story

[dusky wigeon]

so much so, that it’s not even really clear anymore what Finality even is supposed to be

[glacial beacon]

i would happily replay it all over in full 100 more times and I actually do intend to (not 100 though)

because of my research into it

[dusky wigeon]

that’s a lot of hours

[glacial beacon]

I come to new revelations about its depth of meaning into my life just thinking about it and discussing it more

and thats why i think its a masterpiece

I intend to make video essays on it eventually but i'm a perfectionist about it so its taking forever

[scarlet dune]

tbh we don't really know enough about what it even is as a concept to really say anything for now imo

[glacial beacon]

i mean like my devotion to hsr is why i just spent 2 and a half months on doing all of honkai impact 3rd from the beginning to the end of part 1.5 i'm at the start of part 2

now i did do hi3. for itself as well and its now my 2nd favorite thing ever right behind hsr

(though i kinda see them as one whole)

but the thing that got me to do it was because i wanted to love and understand hsr even more

[scarlet dune]

Elio seems related to the Finality closely but is also the one character that makes a point over and over that choices matter

[dusky wigeon]

wasn’t there some statement about it moving backwards in time with things which have already happened in the future or something like that? maybe I’m missremembering something though…

but if what I believe to be remembering is so, then it would kinda mean that all things are in-fact deterministic as otherwise there’d be no way to move back from future to the present as there’d be no one future

[scarlet dune]

Yeah it is moving backwards, but that could also mean that it's simultaneously going through every possible future that converge to the present point (which could then be interpreted as Elio's visions)

[dusky wigeon]

in a certain way it kinda is a whole, yeah

[scarlet dune]

making it then be the embodiment of free will as they become the proof of existence of all said futures

[glacial beacon]

Which before I even engaged with hi3 I already was making my essays/writing tons of notes/in love with/had all those profound life changes over it. Though doing hi3 only made me love HSR even more, the thing is as I have said I don't care much about plot hi3 didn't really add even a single thing barely to the plot of hsr for me but what it does do is that I noticed how HSR and it share the same purpose and they rhyme with hsr basically remaking several of the thematic stories of hi3 into a new form for example ||Amphoreus is basically the entirety of hi3 part 1-1.5 thematically except done all in one single arc and minus the character arcs of hi3's cast but having its own characters arcs but the plot meaning and what it's saying are almost completely identical but different in how they are told||

[scarlet dune]

And for the meta argument, I'd find it weird on a narrative standpoint that 2 entities related to the future and human choices in such a story would both point to determinism

[glacial beacon]

it's essentially a full retelling of the exact same message but told with different insights and methods

[dusky wigeon]

yeah, also true

[scarlet dune]

but it's also because the one group we do know associated to it (Elio and the SH) are the ones always talking about making choices and possibilities

[dusky wigeon]

ngl the fact that we could outright refuse one of Kafka’s quests was great!

at least one meaningful decision!

I wonder if it’ll ever be relevant

[scarlet dune]

and the stuff above that is more so my personal interpretation on how such an entity could fit into this assumption

[dusky wigeon]

btw have you reached Part 2 by now?

[glacial beacon]

I am at the door to part 2 chapter 1 just taking a brief break from hi3 because 2 and a half months only doing hi3 is a lot to take in

it is also a game i need to make essays on now

[dusky wigeon]

ah, pog

[glacial beacon]

and I tend to combine that effort with hsr essay effort

maybe make it all one thing idk i dont currently run a channel this is a thing i'd be starting

idk if I should make tons of "focused topics"

or one super overly long grand essay

that covers everything

[dusky wigeon]

Youtube Shorts

[glacial beacon]

i'm better at communicating when I am actually taking it fully seriously

so I know its hard to imagine an essay from me with how I text in here.

But I tend to text as I think in discussion like this to avoid my perfectionist tendencies where i'd spend 2 hours editing a paragraph

[dusky wigeon]

You’re too hard on yourself, I think, what you say is perfectly digestible

[brisk holly]

Finality is "Time", and turning back Time as of 3.8

[dusky wigeon]

[glacial beacon]

Well I'm hard on myself but I try to maintain a balance where i'm not being overly self critical but also not getting an ego and focusing on improving always

to me life is about constant improvement

[novel sluice]

this also works for 4 star essences, the subs matching disregards the rarity

[brisk holly]

||And ironically change the past and retroactively the future at the same time (not creating parallel timelines)||

[dusky wigeon]

||yeah, it’s weird… ||

[glacial beacon]

though my definition of improvement alligns with enlightenment/higher education/greater emotional awareness/increased control of myself/my emotions. A really great thing about hi3 is the concept of the Samsara the point of the story and causality or the samsara is essentially that it's saying life is a series of reactions and "an action will generate an equal and opposite reaction" basically it poses that fate is scientifically provable via how we can use logic to deduce the world down to being completely predictable

and the point is that humans do indeed have free will/agency to control life and that you can break out of the samsara, causality while it seems very "provable and certain" and can be observed is a lie

and its a self propogated lie that we have convinced ourselves of trapping ourselves in a collective unconscious idea thats grown out of control

to become "not reactive" in your actions is to have freedom and self actualization/etc

you are not a domino falling in sequence

[dusky wigeon]

but I will fall if someone will push me

[scarlet dune]

But isn't your lack of reaction also a reaction to external input making you decide "not to"

[glacial beacon]

it gets complicated I know the thought line.~

ultimately it comes down to perspective but to me it's a beautiful message I fully believe in

and the thing is, I believed that message before I ever touched hi3, because of star rail

[scarlet dune]

(not arguing against you by itself there, just pushing the line of determinism since it's the subject now )

[glacial beacon]

star rail puts it far less bluntly than hi3 and not as overtly

but I got it there and stronger imo

first

which i emphasize because some may claim you'd only see it there because you played hi3

but I had that down as the sub narrative of hsr since penacony

[dusky wigeon]

I also think we have free will and all, but if at least one other person has free will and there are at least some rules governing the fabric of reality, then there’s also some causality, just not full blown determinism

I think the truth is somehwere in between

[scarlet dune]

I do still try to believe in free will tho I'm more nihilistic about it

[glacial beacon]

I think it's more that we all have free will but those who don't believe in it will continue to act according to the things they believe control their lives

its the point of the theatre of domination arc

thats what domination is about

those who have yet to come to this realization will not like you and attempt to drag you down once you have swapped sides generally

because you exist as an affront to their belief that everything is meaningless

[dusky wigeon]

I don’t think any person who truly believes in determinism would worry about it

as you would have been pre-determined to not believe in determinism

[glacial beacon]

it's complicated for sure but that's part of my take atleast.~

you make a good point and I can't really argue against it and think its more that we both have a point

i dont think our points necessarily conflict

it just depends on the "people" in question

[scarlet dune]

And in there also lies the blindspot where you can see the determinism on other's actions but lack the proper viewpoint to realize yours

making you believe in your own free will while thinking other just followed the cogs

[brisk holly]

Hey there Zandar

[dusky wigeon]

“Everyone but me is an NPC.”

[brisk holly]

[glacial beacon]

I misspoke then and apologize let me attempt to rephrase

it's more so that I think that "reality is what we make it via what we believe in"

technically everyone has "free will" as a baseline we all have it

but

you can trap yourself in your own beliefs

and create your own determinism

[scarlet dune]

oh no no, I'm just arguing for the sake of the argument there pushing the side of determinism

[brisk holly]

Wait, let me correct myself
Hey there Rubert II

[glacial beacon]

essentially people who end up believing in any version of "I can't" are trapped in life

and those are the damned that make up the herscherr of domination basically

you can turn your free will ironically into a prison

because your beliefs dictate your life

and this is why bad faith is the enemy basically in these stories because bad faith common opinion is how one spreads negative belief which leads to the cages that people end up putting themselves in

[dusky wigeon]

I also think that one can trap oneself, but also think that are some very real limiting factors like “I can’t leave without oxygen”

[glacial beacon]

Theres obviously limits and reality has rules but theres also out of the box thinking

[scarlet dune]

[glacial beacon]

for example before we invented planes "I want to fly" was impossible

it's not that we can make anything happen via ANY method

but we can make ANYTHING happen if we find the method to do so (probably)

its a simple change in your thinking that makes all the difference

[brisk holly]

The so-called Anti-Organic Equation is merely a sub-topic of "the prime mover of life."

[Logic: Guided by Nous, the emperor built the Scepter System, unknowingly creating vast testing grounds for THEM.]
[Conclusion: The emperor was never free.]

Is rebellion against fate just another part of fate? A classic topic.```

[glacial beacon]

and your level of commitment because many people give up fast

someone would think I wanna fly think to flap their arms, faceplant and give up

but you could have made it happen you just had to have thought outside the box and invented planes

but that takes hard work and people tend to be allergic to that

[dusky wigeon]

that’s true, but I think it’s a bit something else

[glacial beacon]

but we tend to define things as impossible before even considering that the true enemy/obstacle is ourselves

[scarlet dune]

that anything is a bit far fetched there are still some pretty clear limitations in physical laws

[dusky wigeon]

having said that… I think ultimately it doesn’t really matter…

Two options — everything is predeterministic or at least one thing isn’t. If at least one thing is not deterministic, then ­-­-as long as it is within the same space as everything else­-­- everything else becomes undeterministc as well too. So the options are: everything is deterministic, everything isn’t.
If everything is deterministic I can’t change anything, if it isn’t, then I actually can’t change anything either. so whatever the case it does not have a true impact on me (though I do have a preference for free will)

the reson for the 2nd part (I can’t change anything if things are not deterministic) might need an explanation, but basically: if everything is not deterministic, then my actions cannot determine the future or otherwise it’d be deterministic, which contradicts the assumption and therefore cannot be true

[glacial beacon]

I disagree that there is no impact either way, I think that as radical as this is life is 100% possible to control simply by being above all of our instincts/feelings/failings as humans and our desire to satitiate them though I understand this sentiment is unpopular and would get me boo'd by like the majority of the entire planet

Because people don't want to believe they are the ones holding themselves back and that truely any situation can be conquered

its not "easy"

but its also a lie we tell ourselves that it "should be"

if we dont treat our comfort as god we can do anything

[brisk holly]

Unless you practice relative cognition and the world works based on how you see it /j
The universe is a pancake

[scarlet dune]

but are you a pancake too ?

[dusky wigeon]

I mean… practically speaking I agree, I was just trying to look at things more from the side of formal logic

[brisk holly]

Nah, I'm the maple syrup

[blazing plume]

where are my bottles?

[scarlet dune]

so is your fate determined to be torn across the universe ?

[dusky wigeon]

ah yes, sometimes you have to run to depot, cause you forgot to take a thing

if it’s one of those cases, still not in Wulling

[brisk holly]

Fused with it and made it soggy

[novel sluice]

did you deposit them all and forgot to bring them

[scarlet dune]

The opposite of that is also pretty dangerous, thinking you can solve/push through everything with willpower alone.
imo it is just as important to accept that some stuff is not yours to deal with (and to not trap yourself into dismissing people's struggles as them not believing enough in what they could)

[novel sluice]

this is why you should always carry one of those easy stash buildings

[glacial beacon]

I agree there is taking it too far but I also don't think that someone "has to do something just because they can" which is the necessary counter to that imo

For example just because you thought of something, tried, gave up, and "could" do more doesn't mean you have to

[dusky wigeon]

I carry one with me at all times, but then forget to use it

[glacial beacon]

but i think believing like this comes with a peace over life and its issues to be able to recognize you could

because if you dont do it and think of it as impossible you generate negativity

but if you dont do it knowing full well you could have you dont create negativity

[scarlet dune]

Oh I agree there too, I was just trying to say that some "I can't" are not to be dismissed as just a "I didn't try enough"

in the end, some things are still just not possible

[glacial beacon]

for example I could learn to build a house I absolutely could build all that muscle i dont have and do it

but I don't want to

but I realize it's a "possibility"

and thus i have not created a mental limit

and will not propogate that limit to others

and if this type of ideology spreads it will propogate a more freeing and positive mindset over generations (imo)

and our job is to make the world better for those even after we are gone imo

even if no religion is real and theres no "inherent" point to anything I don't think that justifies selfishness/negativity personally

[scarlet dune]

I do agree on that, but my nihilistic viewpoint there is also that there's nothing I can do about it outside of my very small scale of direct relations

which makes it futile to find meaning in smaller acts when people in power can snuff it all out in a wave of the hand

[glacial beacon]

not to keep using fiction as gospel but I kinda do generally as I believe fiction exists to create beliefs in us and convictions etc but I counter this with Bronya's arc at the end of part 1

The many matter equally to the 1 the many is made up of 1 so 1 is the same value as any number higher than 1

if you dont defeat yourself with that mentality and put in the work you can gather more 1's to your belief

you are not powerless

all you have to do is gather to the banner

but its hard

[scarlet dune]

well yeah, humanity has been telling stories forever to anchor their beliefs or make it easier to pass down knowledge

[glacial beacon]

its hard and would cost much of your life to achieve those beliefs

and thats why we dont generally commit

but I believe eventually we can defeat that

you can start the ball rolling it may not reach the finish line for 1000 years

[scarlet dune]

until some Mr big guy says "bomb" and your entire city disappears from the map

[glacial beacon]

and thats generally when we stop caring and say its not worth it

but if you truely believe in it and want it you can exist as the spark to make that the world but if it only matters if it happens within your "world" then yea its hard

also the bomb thing I get that as a counter too, the harsh thing is that evil people have as much free will and will commit awful things against better people like that

it's kind of the game of "can we all eventually become selfless enough eventually to push through that anyway despite the costs and time"

[scarlet dune]

the issue with selflessness is that it needs everyone to agree

a single person renders it pointless

[glacial beacon]

hi3 says it itself actually lol "bad things make sense and good things require faith" I am paraphrasing but its in the domination arc (thats a juicy arc i love it)

[dusky wigeon]

yeah, to actually achieve that you’d need total control Sunday-style

[scarlet dune]

because a system of seflessness is also the easiest to abuse

[dusky wigeon]

imho best one can do is have the strength to not kneel before evil

if you can do that, that’s enough

[glacial beacon]

I don't think it requires everyone to agree it's more that it would require a grand majority to agree the issue that ultimately needs to be addressed is the fact that we have yet to come up with a system that propogates good over evil really

for example if we can figure out a system of governance that doesn't actively encourage corruption/manipulation/charismatic tyrants

but that's hard because it requires we elevate the public above basic human nature

which the systems currently made actively discourage that

then that system also needs to withstand being destroyed

its tough but if we dont do it because its tough things will never get better

[dusky wigeon]

that would be deterministic

[glacial beacon]

XD cabbage.~

[scarlet dune]

damn that's blocked uh

wonder what made that happen

[glacial beacon]

though I am not saying anything has to change or anyone has to do anything btw i'm not claiming i'm the person who's gonna rally that flag either atleast not with the plans I personally have for me which is selfish in a way but I don't think it's wrong to chase your own desires with your life

I just want to be an artist and write stories

[scarlet dune]

anyways I was trying to say it was going into something of the good ol' debate of capitalism vs the other economic ideology of universal equality

[glacial beacon]

though technically my stories will exist to get across such sentiments so i'm rallied to that flag in my own way

[dusky wigeon]

not that I care, but you technically not allowed to dodge the cabbage

just letting you know

[scarlet dune]

for which the second one in its "utopic/perfect" state would require not a single person try to take advantage of the system

[dusky wigeon]

though it’s weird that the other word isn’t then blocked by cabbage too

[scarlet dune]

I judge my context here to be in good enough faith

[glacial beacon]

that's the hard thing about it but also we are constantly learning as humans the thing is that we don't know everything yet and we can always learn more

[dusky wigeon]

hopefully

[glacial beacon]

perhaps our understanding of what's possible in future forms of governance that could be better is just not yet discovered because its yet to be invented

[drowsy lion]

@novel sluice daily sums blessed me :jerrycry:

[scarlet dune]

basically the smurfs

[novel sluice]

me after over a year with no bbk

[obsidian orbit]

Or is there anyway to make it an reality

[scarlet dune]

we've already proven that democracy isn't democratic in its current state but it's too convenient for people at the top

all current election systems are mathematically flawed

[dusky wigeon]

just remove it, no flaws

[glacial beacon]

that's the thing we don't know yet, it's equally as scary as imo exciting

I think theres limitless potential in life and thinking we currently exist at the peak of knowledge is a mistake every generation makes

we could be infants compared to our potential rn

[unreal vigil]

I messed up

[blazing plume]

[novel sluice]

classic

[dusky wigeon]

classic

is there any way to look up in the game what the stats actually do btw?

I can’t find it anywhere

I mean, HP and ATK is clear, but Defense, and the four others not really

[grand burrow]

[obsidian orbit]

Its the question of how are we going to evolve past this point it

[dusky wigeon]

forget it, I’m dumb didn’t realize I actually can move the controller-cursor there

[novel sluice]

if you press their icon it explains what each of them do

[dusky wigeon]

just figured it out, feels embarassing and thx!

oh! cool, it’s kinda like in DotA, that the “main”(?) state influences the ATK

well… Agility there doesn’t influence attack speed and intellect does not determine mana (as there is none, lol), but hey

[glacial beacon]

the answer is that we don't know yet really, and finding out is a matter of time we may never see, but we might In reality my answer is just a hopeful optimistic "I don't know"~ Always excited to see what might happen though

[obsidian orbit]

At times i cant say im excited or im worried

[glacial beacon]

definitely the case the fear of the unknown sucks and is super understandable and based on history theres generally good reason to worry

but good things do happen and I always live for seeing them happen ❤️

[dusky wigeon]

influences the amount of treatment received

[novel sluice]

the healer already focus on that so it's pretty much a dead stat on everyone else

[dusky wigeon]

oh! is it so that heal scales with Atk?

and Healers have Atk scaling on Will and therefore healing scales with Will (indirectly)?

nevermind it scales directly with Will

[obsidian orbit]

Sometimes theres no better way than taking them with a smile on your face

[dusky wigeon]

at least on Xaihi

[grand burrow]

prob depends whatever they chose to scale the heal with

like qiqi and jean scale with atk
bennet chevruse yaoyao etc with hp

Just found some destiny child screens 🥀

[dusky wigeon]

ok, Will is a weird stat if I’m not missing anything

[glacial beacon]

I try my best to think positively at all times.~

[dusky wigeon]

ok, tbf all 4 stats are defensive in nature anyways

[obsidian orbit]

At times i have to constantly remind myself of this

[glacial beacon]

A good quote ❤️ though idk the source material, it looks cool though, what's it from?

[obsidian orbit]

Its from the main story chapters in fgo

Specifically part 2 of the game

[dusky wigeon]

recognized by layout xD

[obsidian orbit]

Kekw

[glacial beacon]

oh FGO? I considered getting into it myself.~ I only know fate as much as "Fate stay night" and "Hollow ataraxia" I 100% both of the vn's about 8 months ago I think? maybe a bit longer or shorter ago

I havent watched the anime adaptations I tend to have a "longer is better" mentality

[obsidian orbit]

You can check out the story cutscenes online if you dont want to touch the game

[dusky wigeon]

ufotable ones are great

honestly the one by Deen is good too, even though people like to shit on it
it’s not great, but it’s good

[trail tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/eri-blue-archive-blue-archive-cute-and-funny-cute-funny-gif-405908927189537554

[glacial beacon]

The only extended media I got into with fate was that I watched fate Zero and I say this respectfully but I dislike it a lot

which I adore stay night and hollow ataraxia

[obsidian orbit]

I see a lot of people dislike fate zero

I think the part i enjoy the most is waver and rider

[trail tusk]

i thought peoplr hate fsn more

[obsidian orbit]

Zero i think much more

[trail tusk]

i see

[obsidian orbit]

Fsn eventually you read the visual novel

[trail tusk]

how about case files?

[obsidian orbit]

Its fine

I personally enjoy it

[trail tusk]

i like gray

[obsidian orbit]

The anime tho

[trail tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/grey-gray-kik-anime-fate-grand-order-gif-17108626

[obsidian orbit]

Shes adorable

Im reading mahoyo

[glacial beacon]

for me I tend to follow "writers" the way people follow "directors" when it comes to film buffs how one may say they like "stanley kubrick movies" I tend to be most interested in writers in that sort of way, so I will say that after I thoroughly adored fate/stay night's vn and hollow ataraxia's vn and came to attirbute them to the writer/creator of them

[obsidian orbit]

[glacial beacon]

I feel like I absolutely felt how they werent the sole writer of zero

[trail tusk]

nice

[glacial beacon]

and Zero felt "out of line" to me

[dusky wigeon]

mahoyo is… Mahoutsukai no Yoru?

or something else?

[obsidian orbit]

I recall zero's is a different writer

[obsidian orbit]

Yup

[trail tusk]

should be

[dusky wigeon]

nice

loved it

[obsidian orbit]

Im really enjoying it so far

[trail tusk]

i need more shirou emiya or emiya shit

[dusky wigeon]

iIrc Urobuchi Gen worked on Zero

together with Nasu though iIrc

and honestly the hand of Gen, “the Butcher” is very noticeable in Zero

[obsidian orbit]

I dont remember if nasu made any comments on zero later on

[glacial beacon]

Nasu wrote fsn, zero was urobuchi with nasu basically "approving of his choices" sort of role supervising

[obsidian orbit]

Knowing nasu he would just ask

Are you sure

[dusky wigeon]

probably yeah

[glacial beacon]

Yea I really didn't like Zero because it felt like it completely contradicted the point of fate in a lot of ways and was out of line/tone

which then Zero made me feel discouraged from going any deeper into fate without nasu making it directly

[obsidian orbit]

My reaction throughout the thing is ehhhhh

[dusky wigeon]

I liked Zero

[trail tusk]

i like iskandar so ig its fine

[cerulean robin]

I'm simple when it comes to fate anime, i see the graphix™ and i go

[obsidian orbit]

I like waver so i can overlook or let something slide

[silver sierra]

spreading propaganda

[obsidian orbit]

But not artoria

[dusky wigeon]

Fate mentioned, Starfall summoned

[obsidian orbit]

[obsidian orbit]

Shhh

[dusky wigeon]

[glacial beacon]

I loved iskandar he was the best part and the best thing in it but he's unfortunately a standout to me in a show that overall i'm very not fond of, to get into why is quite simple I feel like a lot of what it does "Feels" wrong which is something I think would escape the notice of those who don't engage with stories a specific way (nothing wrong with that)

but Fate stay/night and hollow ataraxia have a very specific point/message and have this reverence for their meaning

[trail tusk]

altria?

[glacial beacon]

and Zero feels very nihilistic and edgy for the sake of it

[obsidian orbit]

Oh my god not again

[obsidian orbit]

Kiritsugu

[trail tusk]

[silver sierra]

given kiritsugu is one of the protagonists....

yeah just blame kiri

[obsidian orbit]

Yeah its on kiri

[glacial beacon]

it's not really that because kiritsugu's story fits fate its not that the literal plot events of zero are bad it basically feels like the prequel it is and if you just say out its plot points it fills in the space in stay nights story that it never fully elaborated into

as I said it's that it "feels" wrong its the presentation its the attitude of the story

[dusky wigeon]

I think Kiritsugu having that background story elevates Shirou as a protagonist, so that’s kinda nice

[glacial beacon]

it's the way it portrays its message through non direct means the composition the ost the way it visually conveys meaning

[obsidian orbit]

And should have stayed tat that

[glacial beacon]

it feels out of line with what fates meaning is "spiritually"

imo

when I say it feels nihilistic I don't mean the intentional part with kiritsugu

I mean the very presentation feels that way and not in an additive sense of matching the tone

its a very ephemeral thing that's hard to communicate

[dusky wigeon]

I think I know what you mean

[obsidian orbit]

I totally get it

I think its too focusing on the dark vibes that even light hearted moments feel completely heavy

[dusky wigeon]

I mean… I guess I can advise you to not read anything from Gen, “the Butcher”, as all works from him are like that; if you really dislike it, that is

I like his works, but they are truly not for everyone

[glacial beacon]

heres the thing and this is where subjectivity and how complicated things can get

it's not that I reject that idea entirely I simply think it doesnt suit fate

[obsidian orbit]

I have to read the lostbelt 3 story for the sake of story progression

[silver sierra]

[obsidian orbit]

Damn it

[glacial beacon]

I could like gen's works on their own because they were made to be that way to begin with

[dusky wigeon]

ah, fair

[glacial beacon]

(i havent seen any so idk)

and perhaps my thinking is narrow I only watched zero once

[dusky wigeon]

[glacial beacon]

and i've learned in my life this far that really trusting your feelings is often a trap not to invalidate feelings they matter but I can't count how many times my opinion has changed on the exact same thing from a rewatch

[dusky wigeon]

most famous ones are Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica, Psycho Pass and Requiem for the Phantom

I think I didn’t foget anything

also some VNs, but can’t mention some of ’em

wait, wasn’t Steins;Gate his work too?

[silver sierra]

madoka

[glacial beacon]

for example with hsr being my favorite thing ever and how much praise I heap upon it going through amphoreus I thought 3.0 was overly long and dragged, I also thought that 3.5 was quite mediocre and went on a whole tangent to a hsr friend that I know about it with them about it really just upset over how it was going so well and "dropped the ball"

[obsidian orbit]

Wait what

[glacial beacon]

I have since rewatched all of amphoreus 2 times over

and think both 3.0 and 3.5 are literally peak

and that I was crazy and wrong

[silver sierra]

[dusky wigeon]

my bad, brain fart

[obsidian orbit]

I think 3.0 sets the tone quite nicely

[glacial beacon]

100% agree now

but it wasn't my initial opinion

[obsidian orbit]

The part that follows are pretty good

[glacial beacon]

so i've learned to stop putting so much stock into my opinions

[obsidian orbit]

Until 3.6-3.7

[dusky wigeon]

Urobuchi had nothing to do with Steins;Gate, at least according to vndb.org

[obsidian orbit]

Lmao

[dusky wigeon]

no idea why I thought that

[obsidian orbit]

But he does write madoka

Pretty solid

[silver sierra]

only thing I remember from then

[obsidian orbit]

Mhm

[silver sierra]

[obsidian orbit]

God

[glacial beacon]

For me I think that all of amphoreus is the best thing ever personally but I won't get too into that unless you are interested in hearing my explaination which honestly at this point is definitely something i'd wanna bring to someone in dm's who's definitely interested because if I actually get into it I would kill chat with an 100 page essay to mostly people being subjected to it that would rather not be just to communicate it to 1 person

but as I said that also took a rewatch for me to come to that the "whole" thing is the best thing ever

[silver sierra]

check filename

just found this again scrolling through my lore folder

[obsidian orbit]

Honestly jason grew a lot on me

[silver sierra]

clutch captain 🫡

[obsidian orbit]

I cant im on mobile

[obsidian orbit]

I was not familiar with his game

[obsidian orbit]

Uh yes very important for the plot

[silver sierra]

uh huh

[trail tusk]

[dusky wigeon]

[HSR] ||emphasizes his inner strength, strong body, strong mind ||

[glacial beacon]

I've also wondered if in reality everything or a lot of things are great but it's just a matter of how much it grips you and gets you to invest into seeing it for all the depth that it has.

because as I say I've seen all of star rail 4 times over

I literally dissected about every frame

[obsidian orbit]

I think my biggest gripe with star rail is storytelling

[dusky wigeon]

round two

[glacial beacon]

Yes.~

Though I don't think there's much point to going for a round 2 aside from being silly

everyone has their tastes

[dusky wigeon]

don’t know if you’ve seen that part of the chat, but we had a very lengthy conversation about that here some time ago

[obsidian orbit]

I dont think i have

[glacial beacon]

I just think it's unfortunate people can't see what I see in that atleast not in mass

I don't really understand why it seems atleast the majority of those vocal enough to make comments tend to think HSR is "bad at storytelling"

meanwhile me over here wishing everything else could be more like hsr and loving it more than anything else ever

I mean I do get it but it's never fun to realize you are in a niche exactly?

though I think my tastes are niche in the first place and I do know what the reasons disconnect from it for are and ig it just has to do with how much someones willing to invest and care about it which not accusingly

[dusky wigeon]

carry it with pride

[glacial beacon]

for example the fact its released the way it is people say they "forget details" meanwhile I was doing it live and have never forgotten anything but i know I have never forgotten anything because I spend so much time thinking about it and commiting it to my brain with permanent free rent and that I will spend the 42 days between updates ruminating on the story I just went through

if not directly rewatching it or discussing it at length with others

and I think it is ABSOLUTELY worth that but to me is the thing, I just wish others generally felt the same I think it's a shame that they don't considering what I get out of it

[dusky wigeon]

-# I’m actually somewhat prideful, that my favourite story by Nasu isn’t actually Fate… I know it sounds stupid but I kinda feel prideful about it for some reason

[obsidian orbit]

Its totally fine

[dusky wigeon]

it’s Kara no Kyoukai btw

[obsidian orbit]

Goat

Someone see vision

[dusky wigeon]

vision

of death perception

[obsidian orbit]

LMFAO

[glacial beacon]

a good example of how much I like hsr is that ever since 2.0 i've listened to "If I can stop one heart from breaking" several times a day if not atleast once a day or even if I miss some days I do still listen to it that often and i'll generally have it as music when i'm doing chores or busy work or literal work or exercise and during that time listening to the ost i'll think about the story and dissect and appreciate/analyze it

[errant fractal]

cabbij

[dusky wigeon]

gif

[cerulean robin]

dang you alls philosophy really gets aichan riled up

[glacial beacon]

I can't count the ampunt of times while listening to that 1 song over time that i've been brought to tears by a new realization about the story of penacony that I had from thinking more about it

[errant fractal]

ai doesn’t like philosophy

[dusky wigeon]

she likes your crystals though

[obsidian orbit]

I think they did a nice job with penacony

[glacial beacon]

not that the song simply made me sad cus i was feeling the emotion evoked by the story which is typical and that does happen

[errant fractal]

she ain’t getting none

[glacial beacon]

but more so that i kept discovering new things from continued thinking

[obsidian orbit]

That song is literally magic

[errant fractal]

hi3 been deleted for 2 years

[cerulean robin]

[glacial beacon]

and that I would be moved by the new discovery that my heart would reach

and that's not the only example that's 1 example that's just how I enage with it

like the thing is my opinion of hsr is based on treating the game with EXTREME investment

[dusky wigeon]

sometimes things can only be felt properly with enough time given, that is true

[glacial beacon]

for example with hsr 3.7 this one means a lot to me and this is why i defend hsrs dialogue and think it's not overly wordy or pointless

[obsidian orbit]

I hope its just some translation stuffs

[maiden sonnet]

food photo

[obsidian orbit]

Strawberry tart?

[dusky wigeon]

is that that powdered sugar?

[obsidian orbit]

I think so

Can potentially be cheesecake

[dusky wigeon]

greenstuff must be wasabi

[obsidian orbit]

No

I think its pistachio

[dusky wigeon]

imagine the taste though

strawberry with wasabi

[glacial beacon]

one second for the sake of doing this justice i'm just going to rewatch the scenes in question (skim) and do this accurately as possible

[obsidian orbit]

Absolute dedication

[maiden sonnet]

Strawberry custard cream tart https://www.instagram.com/p/DSjPUv4j6-h/

quilfaitbon_official

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[glacial beacon]

(literally choke crying just revisiting 3.7 for a second lol)

[obsidian orbit]

[maiden sonnet]

my food

[errant fractal]

glutton

[red horizon]

Fatty ~❤️

[errant fractal]

wtf

[obsidian orbit]

Wtf

[errant fractal]

speak for yourself

[glacial beacon]

still working on it btw but god i'm emotionally destroyed lol (not simple sadness or even really sadness at all this is my favorite story of all time, my reaction to being emotionally overwhelmed is tears ik it can vary from person to person)

[dusky wigeon]

heroes don’t need a j*b

[mellow prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/mydei-phainon-punch-chrysos-the-kitchen-is-a-battlefield-gif-9888508704321739685

chef phainon would disagree

[glacial beacon]

I don't mean to disappoint but I feel I lack the skill to communicate this properly not that I can't and I am thinking and racking my brain with how to do so and i'm sure i'll come to a solution but perhaps it just doesn't need to be done. I have been scripting it out but I feel like i'm robbing it of it's proper presentation I can't incorporate the music and the way it makes me feel inside or atleast idk how to yet.

I need to refine my skills as a writer and communicator more.

and also perhaps the format of a paragraph sent plainly just doesn't lend itself to this.

[obsidian orbit]

Take your time

[glacial beacon]

I don't want to do it injustice

[dusky wigeon]

want an example of what I’d consider a good video essay?

I can share some

[glacial beacon]

always appreciated and i'd be interested to see for sure ❤️

I do want to eventualy get this made but I struggle to feel like i'm doing it justice

part of me wonders if theres even value to what I want to do in the first place I do feel discouraged by the idea of being the first exposure to something or the only exposure to something like that someone may watch my essay and use that as their entire engagement with the subject/first engagement with the subject

and I really don't care for "my creation" to be successful I want to direct love towards the subject matter

[dusky wigeon]

https://youtu.be/SHYmFJv_obY more about anime, but I think it’s a good example of language-use

[obsidian orbit]

I think if they are open enough to accept your opinions you are fine

[unreal vigil]

Like Kiritsugu in Fate/Zero?

[obsidian orbit]

But i think if you need to put disclaimer and some reassurances at the start of your essay or paragraph when you try to present it to a certain community

that says a lot about that community

[quasi peak]

id send a certain lego movie one but uhh ai-chan wouldnt like it

[red horizon]

Literally me

I just wanted those nodes mann

[storm plinth]

"send nodes"

[dusky wigeon]

now you got me curious

[quasi peak]

its the one that i got double bonked over a while back

[obsidian orbit]

God this is too funny

[dusky wigeon]

is it when they witched him small?

[obsidian orbit]

Yes lmfao

That goddamn fight aftermath took me out

Went wrong in the worst way

[glacial beacon]

watched it, was an engaging listen, I haven't fully digested the information but I get the message of it and think it got it's message across well, thank you for the recommendation and I believe that was your point that this video effectively gets across it's message in a clear and concise way and that in your opinion that is what a successful essay is which makes sense to make a written work is to convey a point and how well you get that point across in an understandable way without causing confusion or disinterest, correct?

[sick wagon]

Lin Kuei Tower (2020) Stage 110

[silver sierra]

These expressions are gold

I can see where castoria got it from

Takeuchi locked in

[dusky wigeon]

yes, the primary reason I shared this one was more about how good it manages to bring the point across, not about the actual message (though I do agree with it) and not about the examples brought up

at times his language there was even poetic

[obsidian orbit]

Mf only lock in if its artoria

[dusky wigeon]

facial expression were good since Tsukihime imho

[obsidian orbit]

I have this going on

[quasi peak]

68 pity no columbina in sight

[obsidian orbit]

Make it 78

[quasi peak]

can i get 10 pulls in 21 hours tho

[obsidian orbit]

Dawg

[obsidian orbit]

I found a connecting glass mod not requiring optifine

[glacial beacon]

I get it a good example of what you mean for sure though I think that my intentions are of a different kind since I would say this is a far more "journalism" like style while what I am aiming for is something along the lines of communicating a feeling, this video feels very sure about what it wants to say and is basically in plain language explaining and basically mechanically breaking down his logic on what he feels "fun" is and how it's achieved and why that belief clashes with the common sentiment of "turn your brain off" which there's nothing wrong with this but I feel it's very far removed from what I have in mind

or maybe they are the same, i'll have to give this thought, i thought of it from another angle and perhaps that does still work.

[obsidian orbit]

Its hard to find a balance between conveying your feelings and making it easy for people to understand what you feel

While maintaining the logic and the consistency of your writing

[dusky wigeon]

aww, man, I missed the target then
but glad that you still enjoyed it

[glacial beacon]

No no you are awesome thank you and it didn't miss at all, to me all learning is valuable and also learning from others is valuable in general even if you don't agree in the end or only partially agree

[grand burrow]

holy wall

[glacial beacon]

every interaction one has I think is worthwhile in ways we just seldom appreicate or perhaps tend to not put effort into.~

Even if that doesn't apply to what I was thinking in the end (it may as I said I'm now thinking it does a bit) it still had value towards my overall knowledge base and was perhaps helpful in another way.~

also just nice to spend time with everyone

[glacial beacon]

Definitely what I struggle with most, i'm a very emotional person I feel INTENSELY when I feel and I know that not everyone has the same experiences with everything and feelings are very specific and individual but I really want to convey them because it means so much to me. But I also realize that because I am so emotional I can get lost in my specific thought processes that are unique to how I think which damages communication and becomes hard for others to understand

the hardest part is then that I feel the stuff that makes me feel that way those inner specific things to me are necessary to feel what I feel at all and that then it makes trying pointless to remove them

or reign them in

Communication is hard

[cerulean robin]

I think you communicate just fine, now successfully understood communication (especially to a large/varied audience) is hard

[obsidian orbit]

Its too hard weighing the parts you want to say and resisting your inner urge to talk more and more

[glacial beacon]

Yes

[obsidian orbit]

and at the same time you need to be emotional and logic

So you actually sounds like you have firm grounds on both sides

[glacial beacon]

it's more that I have to balance them and myself to achieve the desired results and perhaps balance isn't 50/50 but more likely a variable specific to the exact thing in mind since life is generally that complicated as much as want to try and simplify it

[obsidian orbit]

Most of the times i can somewhat simplify or boil down the main ideas of the content i want to talk about

But at the same time i feel its not enough

It makes me wonder if i should put myself into the view of the writer or character

[glacial beacon]

For me it's a problem that wouldn't exist if the writing was "my own" like I could write my own story and post it and not worry too much but it's like

[stiff mirage]

im burning that down

[obsidian orbit]

Get out

[glacial beacon]

My passion for the subject at hand is so intense that I don't want to damage it through doing it wrong or messing up and also again I am scared of the "80%+ of those who see this have probably never seen the video topic and just came for the video by itself"

[stiff mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-blush-silly-cat-juice-cute-gif-6133838172443289075

[cerulean robin]

ches!

[glacial beacon]

hard to get past that feeling that i'm either ruining it or being the first/only exposure

or both which is the worst

[stiff mirage]

shjdudup

im anger

[cerulean robin]

oh okie

[obsidian orbit]

For me you can always derive from the original work

[cerulean robin]

... hi anger, im luna

(sorry i couldnt help myself)

you may bonk when ready

[stiff mirage]

insane

[obsidian orbit]

The feeling of "how can you interest people in investing in this specific story"

[glacial beacon]

yes, basically exactly that

[stiff mirage]

how do you get more sanity

[obsidian orbit]

Usually you have to interest them in the media first

[dusky wigeon]

I don’t really wanna make video essays (lazy ) but the way I’d approach making one is…
Okay, example: I really liked Arc Nocturne, like… really liked it! The way I’d make the video essay then is opening it with this music — https://youtu.be/2PHPH-NgpJA, then bringing up the most emotional moment up front (for me it was Hua saying: “Himeko, I need your help” when saving Kiana) without commenting it, then going about what I liked and why and then closing it up with the scene of Kiana pushing that Honkai-Ball away for maybe 5 seconds without commenting it any further

[stiff mirage]

im being killed bc of no mats

[glacial beacon]

The process of editing sounds so fun ❤️ I would love to make that a reality for ya.~

[grand burrow]

[obsidian orbit]

I personally start with the artstyle or is it visually appealing

why do i like this specific cutscene

[glacial beacon]

I think the thing that is the answer really is something I already realize a bit but it's just hard to accept kind of that like

theres no point to make it if im not making it for me basically

and if people see it that's a byproduct

the hard thing of that mentality is i'm trying to make the thing in question more understood

but the reality is all I can achieve is airing my passion and it will be responded to how it is responded to

[unreal vigil]

Is there any point in doing a Steam release so late?

[glacial beacon]

granblues doing it this upcoming march after 12 years

(and existing accounts cant link)

[grand burrow]

Why not ? Ill take anything on steam rather than another pepeg launcher for no reason for me

[dusky wigeon]

wow
-# referring to Granblue

[grand burrow]

At least its not scuffed as honk

[stiff mirage]

wow looks like a pretty interesting new gacha game, wonder if it'll perform well with endfield

[glacial beacon]

I will be so actually upset if steam gbf is objectively higher quality considering the can't link thing, if gbf has one issue for me it's that its basically locked in a forever windowed mode resolution and I can't full screen the story on a pc monitor

if steam can actually do that i'd be livid lol

[grand burrow]

[dusky wigeon]

[fallen vine]

I love when steam still wants me to open another launcher

[grand burrow]

/s ?

[dusky wigeon]

oh! btw, before I go to bed:

• items (which expire, so you wanna use ’em)
• cap rises with Authority Level

[stiff mirage]

thenks

im so desperate for it rn fr

[glacial beacon]

anyways ty for the discussion and tips mors and kanata (rate up) i'm sorry idk your preferred method of being addressed yet and everyone else too everyone's great ❤️ I will do my best and keep working on it, not that I intended to stop just trying to figure out the best way to go about my writing.~

[obsidian orbit]

You can call me kanata lol

[silver sierra]

sis, more nasu lore

[obsidian orbit]

The rate up thing is im just pissed

[glacial beacon]

Kanata it is ❤️

[obsidian orbit]

LMAO

nasu also have a degree in human studied

And they should revoke it-

[silver sierra]

mushroom man has clairvoyance

flippin keeps predicting stuff like that christmas galaxy

[stiff mirage]

what the fork endfield crashed on nme

mid game confirmed

[silver sierra]

it's a sign you have spent enough time in the mines

[stiff mirage]

shudup grr

[silver sierra]

[quasi peak]

pull 71 dear god

[obsidian orbit]

Fucking ort

[quasi peak]

also the splashart is fucking huge the whole screen went black

[obsidian orbit]

Blood moon

Just how nasu

[quasi peak]

i deadass thought the game crashed cause it just cut straight to black

[grand burrow]

white text on black screen

cinema

[quasi peak]

huh guess surfs up has another use now

[grand burrow]

eh

just a stat stick

unless u got vape lmao

[quasi peak]

yea vaporize aint really gonna do shit but hey its better than nothing

[grand burrow]

u got ineffa ?

[quasi peak]

@obsidian jetty my luck is so ass bro it took 71 pulls on the guarantee

[quasi peak]

nope

[grand burrow]

oof

deer ?

nefer ?

or flins

[quasi peak]

skirk ig?

[grand burrow]

escof ?

[quasi peak]

look you saw first hand i only get a 5 star once in a blue moon

i got c2 dulic ffs

[grand burrow]

batman

shes not really good without at least one of ineffa flins deer nefer and zibai tmrw Ig

[quasi peak]

ill probably try for zibai tomorrow i wanna see how she plays first tho

[grand burrow]

havent tried her in skirk team but I dont have escof so eh and id say furina still better there

She kinda a geo skirk kindaish

but mostly basic spammer

[obsidian jetty]

thats literally average

[quasi peak]

thats an ass average then

[obsidian jetty]

bruh at least u got it before soft pity

why r ur expectations so high

[quasi peak]

bro i was just expecting around 50-60 cause hsr normally does that

[obsidian jetty]

[grand burrow]

reject zibai , build geo traveler

[obsidian jetty]

this is still a gacha game.. soft pity at 75.. u expect earlies all the time because u get it in another game..

Haiya

[grand burrow]

I lost 50 and then got her on 80

[obsidian jetty]

i think i lost at 20

smh bina stubborn

[mortal gazelle]

wdym it didn't fit
it should've worked with no upgrades
did you implement it properly ?

though even if you did, I forgot to mention that you had to set the AIC outputs to certain things

[obsidian jetty]

probably not, only figured out u can move the pac afterwards

[mortal gazelle]

real

[grand burrow]

https://youtu.be/cduwLRRakk0?si=2Of-k74HlfxxnhZ6&t=397

U want to run her only with geo/hydro chars

Its just annoying that u want multiple builds on columbina

loadouts when ?

[obsidian jetty]

do they even like.. actually play the game

i got 20 pulls in 2 days of just normal activity

[quasi peak]

judging by how long it took em to put a in game character build recommender never

[grand burrow]

wrong answer, should have been right after the skip button

[stiff mirage]

is he playing the game by
just going in and doing dailies and thats it lmao

[quasi peak]

nah but like which game is it

[obsidian jetty]

thats what it looks like tbh

ake

[stiff mirage]

ender mite

[quasi peak]

its literally only been out for a few fucking weeks

[stiff mirage]

he’s gonna get a stroke when he plays hi3 then lmao

[obsidian jetty]

login everyday, check mail to see if theres any free pulls, check events to see if theres more free pulls, if none get mad and logout

[grand burrow]

genshin after launch

[stiff mirage]

“shit game, unfriendly to f2p players, you dont get any pulls”

[obsidian jetty]

[obsidian jetty]

genuinely, why do people just hate playing the game

[stiff mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-orange-cat-it's-mid-cat-it's-mid-it's-peak-gif-1919404845614332207

[obsidian jetty]

its a Game

same with genshin

Bro play the game

https://tenor.com/view/jungsu-xdinary-heroes-please-gif-xdiz-jungsu-xdinary-heroes-gif-10085781015632927405

[stiff mirage]

people love to hate on random stuffs when they have nothing to say

[obsidian jetty]

they lowk just wanna pull

not play the actual game

thats what it seems like

[quasi peak]

just go to a casino atp

[stiff mirage]

honestly if you’re addicted to pulling then idk, start a new account in cookie run kingdom for the 500 pulls or smt lmao

[quasi peak]

go play some slots

[obsidian jetty]

or like download silly wisher idk

[quasi peak]

silly wisher's peak

[obsidian jetty]

btw i saw someone complaining that ur team follows u in ake too

[quasi peak]

bro really wants them to just be pngs in a menu huh

[obsidian jetty]

[grand burrow]

I got a quest log issue

[quasi peak]

bro would never survive final fantasy or really any other jrpg for that matter

[obsidian jetty]

Wth

clean ahh quest menu

[obsidian jetty]

these people are the super ultra mega pro max casuals

[quasi peak]

bro this fucking frostnight herra is kicking my ass

[obsidian jetty]

the kind who put a phys weap on ayato and call it a day

[grand burrow]

this mf game never gives early

[obsidian jetty]

lowk if u were in asia id just help u

boss farming for anyone takes like 10 mins cos of navia

[quasi peak]

hoyo moment they cant just have a single server for some fucking reason

[obsidian jetty]

i mean seeing the ping others get

perhaps

[grand burrow]

na ?

[obsidian jetty]

perchance

[grand burrow]

cuz I know way too many NA ppl playin on eu

[quasi peak]

nah but why they playing on eu

wouldnt it just make the ping worse for em

[obsidian jetty]

i know a lot of asia players who play on na for friends, their ping is always insane

[grand burrow]

dont think it should be higher than 100 and thats fine

[mortal gazelle]

Gambling addicts that need to pull everyday
I was sitting on 80 standard pulls for a week since launch
That would be unthinkable to the average gacha player

[obsidian jetty]

personally i would never sacrifice ping for friends thats js me tho

[obsidian jetty]

bro ikr

[grand burrow]

no friends

burger and ping

[obsidian jetty]

theyll faint if they see my hsr savings

[mortal gazelle]

I'm also on my way to 2k standard pulls in nikke

[obsidian jetty]

‘omg ur rich u swiped all that’ no i just savedb

[obsidian jetty]

ok shep i cant do that