off-topic-discussion

[errant fractal]

where exactly?

[mellow prairie]

Shipi go sleep

[mortal gazelle]

thats the whole point of the factory system

[mellow prairie]

Ooohhhh

This in genshin when

Or ateast a resin storage like fuel in HSR

At least*

[mortal gazelle]

you remember that area where you and Perlica rode in on that motorcycle ?
that area is the Science part of the region
you unlock it if you just keep progressing main to deal with the hole that opens in the sky above the power plant

[trail hare]

ts is so me yesterday

[errant fractal]

yeah i just got to the part where the hole opens in the sky

[mortal gazelle]

I played like 13 hours yesterday
I've never played a gacha for that long on launch before
but I'm loving this game

if you are curious about some of my production
I'm mining way more orignium than I can store lmao

[errant fractal]

xd

[grim citrus]

oh Avywenna is from the land down under

[mortal gazelle]

I need to get started on mining Ferrium Ore so I can finally make blue gear

but thats for tomorrow

[trail hare]

im making canned stuff

[mortal gazelle]

you can stack the belt bridges like that ?

[trail hare]

yeah

it's the bridger

and splitter

you can stack all of them

[mortal gazelle]

oh right, @errant fractal you should do some stock trading for quick money at the Stock Redistribution
Add a bunch of random people to your friends list, then see if you have any items that are currently low
You can then buy a bunch and see if anyone on your friend's list is buying high and sell it all
Did it earlier and made like 50k

[errant fractal]

i’m gonna need to do that rn

[mortal gazelle]

had someone on my friend's list who was buying at +129%

[errant fractal]

wtf

[mortal gazelle]

this isn't even that crazy

I watched Mr Pokke's video on when he discovered this and someone in his friend's list was buying at +600%

[errant fractal]

dayum

[mortal gazelle]

his buying price was 638 and he sold it for 4640 each

[grim citrus]

we have a community market?

jesus christ

[errant fractal]

😭

[mortal gazelle]

no these numbers are set by the game and its rng

so its better to have a ton of friends

I just started adding like 50 people

a real community market would be crazy though

[trail hare]

it functions almost the same way as stocks

if there are too many people selling to that person, the price goes down

[mortal gazelle]

I love that this game has a little something for everyone
regular combat, factory building, stock trading and literal tower defence

[novel sluice]

Kek got ardelia dupe from standard at 60 pulls

[candid sage]

i think matchmaking may have fucked the other guy

[obsidian orbit]

I still cant believe i managed to pull you into the mommy hole

[candid sage]

purple ranks here i am

or violet ranks idk

[trail tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUt8DpUWkcw

kei

[wheat verge]

Who here has seen the peak that is basilisk
https://youtu.be/tldsjP8AST8?si=fD32Rur6yIPIHcwq

[trail tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2dakqpO2hE

[primal kestrel]

https://youtu.be/6lpiSBvawB0?si=JMq9YLG_8HM2y_Ih @split thorn @errant fractal @autumn raven Rover skin

[grand burrow]

new bike skins

[autumn raven]

MRover skin is totally what a dude would do for clothes

Slightly different but the same

[primal kestrel]

They added frost walker for the bike

[grand burrow]

codes ?

[primal kestrel]

PAPERPLANE
WARMSUNLIGHT
JOURNEYWELL

[brazen geyser]

oh the joy

mobile more tolerable now

[grand burrow]

oh how I hate these mfers

[obsidian orbit]

I might have peaked

This is diabolical tamamo spamming np with 500% OC

[earnest dew]

somebody enlighten me'

[neon tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/tohka-yatogami-date-a-live-waifu-anime-eating-gif-17503779

[wise mirage]

yeah i hate dealing with those lemon crystals bs

[grand burrow]

daym

[glossy kayak]

[wise mirage]

ngl i thought thats Bruce Wayne behind that dude

[glossy kayak]

He's doing a good job, not saying anything.

[neon tiger]

thinking is not saying, its not a speech bubble

[glossy kayak]

I am aware.

[blazing plume]

Omg is that s classes I raised

[neon tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/roasting-spit-camping-picnic-viralhog-gif-13844503

[blazing plume]

Wait what happened to Neo

[glossy kayak]

Welp. Got spoiled on Dowan NOT dying.

[blazing plume]

https://tenor.com/view/gundam-kamille-bidan-zeta-gundam-violence-isn't-the-answer-gif-12648708220918242916

[neon tiger]

'missed in arknight' /j

[blazing plume]

Well f me
Sorry, that was bad of me

[glossy kayak]

Ahh yes. Luio Woomin.

Thank you, Judau for hitting back.

https://tenor.com/view/anime-retro-anime-80s-anime-1987-gundam-gif-6269221684913621478

[neon tiger]

leave it to MS to fucking randomly reset audio setting in windows

[neon tiger]

Endministrator, get him

[earnest dew]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-x-family-loid-forger-yor-forger-anime-fight-kick-gif-25661502

[blazing plume]

https://tenor.com/view/enders-game-sci-fi-alien-ender-no-gif-3368768

[neon tiger]

you prob. have more playtime than me by now 😛

[blazing plume]

Nah, I’ve only played like
10 hours?
Not that much. I’m only level 16

Pyra and some other folks here…
They’ve got like full factory set up

https://tenor.com/view/factorio-we-do-a-little-throughput-loaders-transport-belt-gif-23235553

[neon tiger]

thats already more than I did 😉

[blazing plume]

Ain’t no way

Ger this game is like crack cocaine
I can’t get enough

I think I’m addicted

[neon tiger]

reminder, I am working

yesterday 5h, today maybe another 5h, tomorrow maybe another 5h, Sunday: cant predict bc SUN I do Bounty's in DNA too

I am far to addicted to exploring instead of doing main quest xD

[glossy kayak]

[red horizon]

me when I'm spreading misinformation

[neon tiger]

@blazing plume just to give you an idea how slack I am when it comes to leveling and rather do exploring:
me: lvl10-11/character, fights elites of lvl30+

[blazing plume]

Same
I actually need to stop exploring and get a minimal overlayed on my screen so I can keep track

There’s two but I’m not sure which one is good

[blazing plume]

The dangerous lady is just so hot

[tiny estuary]

#Night
#GoodNight

[neon tiger]

time to burn you

[blazing plume]

||https://preview.redd.it/the-s-classes-that-i-raised-v0-jym41fh3kexa1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=875a5476bb9233ca26dd2f5a2d59fe9fc39d977c||

[neon tiger]

lul @blazing plume I found a hilarious oversight in the story (note I am behind you), you actually can get past a few of the story only invisible walls in the 2nd area

[mystic pond]

Lol

Factory simulator

[wraith karma]

[neon tiger]

perfectly coded game, invisible (well technically visible) walls are supposed to keep me out until I destroyed the power sources, yet here I am standing:

[red horizon]

[wraith karma]

So much factory to build

[red horizon]

I got Last Rite from my first standard multi

Yes I'm Endfielding

Also wow there are

A lot of characters

[wraith karma]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/s/Rz4N3ISmIQ

[neon tiger]

and now go look up the roster of the original arknight xD

[red horizon]

Oh i'm well aware

[wraith karma]

Love these memes

[red horizon]

The factory must grow

[neon tiger]

funny enough I want her from standard pool, so I wont get her

[earnest dew]

https://tenor.com/view/yvonne-endfield-nervous-cat-eyes-arknights-gif-15880346318928596741

[wraith karma]

I think i started 1 day late, thought day 1 was the 22nd

[earnest dew]

She is gorgeous

[neon tiger]

it was and wasnt

[earnest dew]

[neon tiger]

she is, and actually decently strong too

[glacial beacon]

@acoustic raft (continuing from a diff channel) so it's a simple question but I am curious if arknights story wise would interest me, to preface the things I really enjoy are often due to how I treat fiction as something to take seriously and learn from. Hi3 and hsr are my favorite thing ever because of just how much they moved me via their philosophical and existential statements about life through the story they are telling. That is pretty indicative of the tastes I have in general.

[red horizon]

What the hell are these accents

[wraith karma]

Ch'en in arknights

Surtr

[neon tiger]

OG arknight has a lot of conflict and discrimination as topic early on

[wraith karma]

Eyja

[kindred jungle]

ive heard a lot of good stuff abt og arknights but i am ABYSMAL at tower defense, i began Endfield though and it is the best looking gacha game ive ever played

[acoustic raft]

Arknights is a bit of a different beast than Honkai games. It's very heavy on lore, world building and politics of the world. The protagonist and his crew are basically on most wanted list by the world for some stuff they did in the past. You will surely find philosophy and existentialisms there. Plenty of it. Character writing is also very good and did give me a few emotional gut punches along the way

Also I'd say it's darker story than both Hi3rd and HSR

[glacial beacon]

I may check it out then i've always been interested.~ ❤️ endfield coming out has put it on my mind, I tend to refuse to play something new first like you'll never catch me play a 5 of a series even if thats the one that caught my eye I will go do everything that came before it

[neon tiger]

not darker than GGZ though

[acoustic raft]

Haven't read GGZ yet so I can't say

[wraith karma]

Endfield so far seems a lot lighter than og arknights, but im still relatively at the beginning

[acoustic raft]

Endfield also isn't too tied to first game

[wraith karma]

Iirc it's hundreds or thousands of years in the future?

[acoustic raft]

Something like that

[red horizon]

It's like at least 100 years into the future

[acoustic raft]

And I think it's different planet

[neon tiger]

it is, it actually plays a lot later than OG arknight, Rhodes Island for example changed a lot

[blazing plume]

Damn
Is this still locked or can you just unlock by progressing through the story?

[kindred jungle]

i mean its pretty hard to beat a game that ||kills its entire cast off, just to bring them back and have a scene of mei sobbing covered in blood while kiana is absorbed by the WoH||

[blazing plume]

Yeah but GGZ has Wendy so

[neon tiger]

it is, arknight plays on 'Terra', while endfield plays on the moon Talos-II

[glacial beacon]

could be completely unrelated but the way I process story isn't about literal plot ties. For example Nier and Nier Automata as 2 amazing works of art narratively are almost entirely disconnected from one another if one were to think of story in the sense of "information that effects the information of the other story"

[blazing plume]

[acoustic raft]

But I'm not too interested in Endfield as I'm not much of a sandbox games fan

[glacial beacon]

but the 2 are inseperably tied via themes and their statements and the impact its narrative has on you is a combination of both stories

[wraith karma]

Nah i don't think so, they have a lot of references to og arknights in the story

[blazing plume]

Is the MC of endfield different from the MC of AK?

[acoustic raft]

Yes

[wraith karma]

They are

[red horizon]

Ye

[neon tiger]

it is a different planet, its actually confirmed in the lore

[wraith karma]

[neon tiger]

yes, comparing the Endministrator with the Doctor is a sin

[wraith karma]

Mebbe i didnt get far enough yet

[blazing plume]

I know nothing, so it ain’t a sin

[red horizon]

The Dokutah is also a hella war criminal

[blazing plume]

Yeah they mention in the story like in the beginning of the game

[acoustic raft]

Doctor was a chad (pls forget pre beginning of AK )

[red horizon]

Even during AK

[neon tiger]

anime doctor though

[wraith karma]

Og arknights is though

[red horizon]

They were chasing shadows

[dusky wigeon]

I looked at the beginning of og Arknights and my first thought was like “oh! the Doctor and Enfielder are kinda the same trope”

[red horizon]

LOL no

[acoustic raft]

Honestly war crimes are like average Tuesday in this universe

[dusky wigeon]

sowwy

[red horizon]

They might be amnesiacs

[wraith karma]

Well, dijiang is just arknights Base but 3D

[red horizon]

But that's about as far as that goes

[neon tiger]

they also sleeped for long

[dusky wigeon]

and that girl with ears, forgot her name, feels a lot like Perlica

[neon tiger]

bunny > Perlica

[red horizon]

Perlica is cat wife

[dusky wigeon]

whom will the Endfielder chose, the childhood friend guide or Sushang?

-# no idea if she’s a childhood friend, but same vibes

[wraith karma]

Amiya isn't like Perlica

[glacial beacon]

@acoustic raft anyway, thank you for your answer and everyone else who gave comments as well, I will definitely be considering it, also from a biased perspective I heard it's very gay and that's something I have a bias for and it's always been on my radar because of that for a long time, lol.

[wraith karma]

?

[neon tiger]

nah she is better I only have the tendency to write her name wrong, hence I just call her bunny

[wraith karma]

Og arknights?

[acoustic raft]

Yeah no

I mean there are pretyy canonicallly gay characters

But it's not like it's forced down player's throat

[neon tiger]

looks like there is a weird rumor going around somewhere

[wraith karma]

I love my bunny

[glacial beacon]

I meant that as in its there at all, a bit of hyperbole

[wraith karma]

Use her everywhere

[neon tiger]

you could say the same about games like 'Guild wars 2' though

[dusky wigeon]

maybe it’s more of an European thing, but when I hear “a lot of gay stuff” I also first thinkg of “forced down your throat” rather than simply being there

[acoustic raft]

Yeah here there is a lack of subtleness to it

Asian writers do it much better

[dusky wigeon]

yeah, absolutely

feels just normal

[neon tiger]

depends honestly on the writer too, but there is since a few years a huge trend of forcing it into everything

[acoustic raft]

Yeah I'm not saying it's everyone but it is a noticable trend

[neon tiger]

Guild Wars 2 for example is made by an american company, and those few gay couples in there all developed naturally

[glacial beacon]

I just enjoy the presence of such things generally since i'm a lesbian myself stating it how I did was playful excitement which I didn't communicate well enough.~

I don't like forced stuff though, obviously i have preferences as to how its done

[dusky wigeon]

oh man, I don’t wanna correct homeworks today

[glacial beacon]

but i didnt engage with its story yet so I cant know more than "its present"

[neon tiger]

And I dont want to go to work in 12h

[acoustic raft]

For me it's already friday evening and a free weekend

[dusky wigeon]

Arknights?
don’t know much about original, but from what I heard from people who played it they like it a lot and Endfield is very fun atm

you probably heard it above too

[acoustic raft]

Arknights is one of THOSE gachas people play for the good vn style story

Like Fate Grand Order, Limbus Company, Granblue Fantasy or Girls Frontline

[glacial beacon]

granblue was my first i havent played its story in a long while though, I didn't fall out of interest but I play tons of new things all the time and several huge binges in a row have caused me to put it on the backburner

[grim citrus]

Yvonne already?

wha

[wraith karma]

She was my 2nd op

[acoustic raft]

I stopped playing Granblue because at some point it started feeling like a second job

[grim citrus]

i thought she's limited

[dusky wigeon]

gachas have that to them in general

[wraith karma]

?

[grim citrus]

it says she's from chartered headhunting

[wraith karma]

Oh, yea

[acoustic raft]

Granblue was MUCH more time consuming than an average gacha

Almost MMO tier type of time commitment

[glacial beacon]

as someone who also plays gbf granblue is insanity if you take it seriously

[neon tiger]

I always work on SAT, so yeah... additionally its morning shift week

[severe raft]

I made a video about mature sonickid was mad and almost turned dark because of yuzuha experiment what what human did to her in good timeline au sonickid universe but he still non canon

[dusky wigeon]

you really like Sonic

[acoustic raft]

I played in a guild in Gbf and that after two years was a nail in a coffin

[neon tiger]

technically could put Heaven Burns Red into the gacha with huge VN story too

[acoustic raft]

Yeah that too but ngl I'm kinda tired on school settings nowadays

[glacial beacon]

we have something called guild war every 2-3 months in granblue it lasts for a week whenever it runs and it is a 30-50 hour time investment for maximum rewards assuming you are peak meta because its a competitive thing and the time isnt solid but it is essentially a grind race that last 6 consecutive 16 hour periods

[dusky wigeon]

[acoustic raft]

Like I said, MMO tier time commitment

[glacial beacon]

granblue is in a weird state of "how you choose to engage with it changes everything" though because the thing is you can engage with gbfs entire story without doing anything ever game wise if you just want the story

[acoustic raft]

I'm meta slave so no wonder that killed my interest in the long run

[glacial beacon]

you could just play events (majority of gbf story is events not msq and they are more substantial than what you know as events in other gachas)

and msq

its scaled based on you so no grind necessary or anything

and experience the whole story with none of that guild war nonsense

[dusky wigeon]

it’s hard for me to view gachas as just VNs, cause normal VNs are typically just better

more branched too

[acoustic raft]

The unfortunate truth is gachas are more profitable than VNs

[wraith karma]

Competition in something like a gacha is a huge turn off for me, it's why I quit hi3, epic seven

Even feh

[acoustic raft]

VN studios nowadays either scrape the bottom of financial barrel or branch out into live service games

[glacial beacon]

understandable take i dont like it either but for me I just take the loss on materials/gains/draws etc

i'm in everything I engage with for story i'm really weird as someone who games as their primary interest

[acoustic raft]

And I know that gachas have limitations that make it impossible to do some story stuff without backlash/standing in opposition to business side

[glacial beacon]

the "game" part is the thing i care least about

[acoustic raft]

Ngl FGO has dogshit gameplay but I play it just for the story

I just pulled most meta team and cruise through

[wraith karma]

I like og arknights, figuring out the tower defense part is fun

[dusky wigeon]

FGO turn-based combat is surprisingly complex for its simplicity too actually

imho at least

[acoustic raft]

If I want complex gameplay I have better alternatives from the stuff I already play

[wraith karma]

Very big difference between turn off your brain 3 turn farming and doing the big story boss battles

[dusky wigeon]

it’s not a complexity of SMT or anything by any means, but more complex than say Star Rail

[dusky wigeon]

yeah, true

[acoustic raft]

That's a low bar anyways honestly

[dusky wigeon]

also true

[glacial beacon]

gbf can have incredible gameplay though hilariously because its so complicated I don't engage with it even though i do like it

the big current newest raid is like scary complex and interesting each new raid

[acoustic raft]

I play Girl's Frontline and going deep into its systems feels like exploring some lovecraftian occult documents

[glacial beacon]

Lucillius 250 came out and it was like 2 months before a team even cleared it iirc

[acoustic raft]

Like you can't even make a tier list for the characters

Because there are so many moving parts it's impossible to grade characters in isolation

[glacial beacon]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/bronya-think-loading-gif-honkai-impact-gif-26952642

reminds me of my friend who got into final fantasy 11 and tried to explain to me its systems which made my head spin

I even played 11 myself after and got far into it and never understood still

[acoustic raft]

I play FF14 and it isn't that much better in that aspect lol

[dusky wigeon]

FF XI suffered from being an MMO for PS2

[wraith karma]

Im still trying to figure out endfield's factory system so complex

[acoustic raft]

It was pre World of Warcraft MMO

It was a complete different approach

[dusky wigeon]

some still play it apparently

[acoustic raft]

It even gets story updates still froom time to time

[glacial beacon]

i'm "up to date" with ff14 I beat base dawntrail but how i treat 14 is with my story mindset so i've not gone back because i dont intend to until post dawntrail is fully out and i'll binge it all in a single month sub

[dusky wigeon]

when I was browsing forums for what Log Horizon was most likely based on, most agreed it’s the og FF XI

[acoustic raft]

I really hated Dawntrail. That was like a first true crisis of faith moment in that game for me

And I've been playing for 11 years now

[glacial beacon]

I think dawntrail is "good" and it suffers from following up 2 masterpieces

[acoustic raft]

I consider it worse than ARR

[glacial beacon]

to each their own I wouldnt wish arr on my worst enemy

but dawntrail i could recommend to some

[dusky wigeon]

I would love to play FF XIV, but not enough storage

-#

[acoustic raft]

My ranking is Endwalker>Shadowbringers>Stormblood>Heavensward>ARR>Dawntrail

[glacial beacon]

I think it depends on how you went through the game tbh not saying you are wrong but just offering some perspective

you said you had your first crisis of faith in 11 years so

arr is a long time ago for you and you probably experienced it live?

[acoustic raft]

One of my gripes is that the type of story they wanted to tell doesn't lend itself to a silent/self insert protagonist

As in being a mentor

I replayed ARR after they slimmed it down

[glacial beacon]

I think that's a fair criticism for sure.~

I have tons of issues with dawntrail as i said I think it's "good"

good isnt high praise

i think its passable and has some merits of worth

[acoustic raft]

It was passable

But I just came to expect more from this game story wise

[glacial beacon]

absolutely lol endwalker is like insanely beautiful and profound and quite I often have described it as "unsafe"

i'm surprised they told a message like that in a commerical game

some arthouse stuff got in somehow and they went all in on it

[acoustic raft]

Endwalker cemmented FF14 as my favourite FF game and one of my favourite stories told in game

[glacial beacon]

same same ❤️ one of my favorites period of anything even beyond ff as a series

I consider it my 3rd place beneath hsr and hi3

[acoustic raft]

I don't think I could even rank in order my favourite game stories

There are too many

[glacial beacon]

i only do it to make a point i dont believe in ranks

everything has its own individual merits and worth on its own thats not really fairly comparable

but I can say what "changed my life the most"

and that undeniably goes to hsr

[acoustic raft]

For me most life changing in the most literal way was Persona 4

[glacial beacon]

I havent played p4 actually its on my backlog though.~

[acoustic raft]

I played it on ps2 at the end of middle school when I was relentlessly bullied and only had one friend. I was quite retreated but that game gave me courage to seek new connections

[glacial beacon]

that's awesome ❤️ I can totally see how that would work out considering the subject matter

[kindred jungle]

ive been meaning to play the persona games, in order, but i began playing persona 1 and it was unironically one of the worst games ive ever played

[acoustic raft]

Persona 1 is quite bad true

But Persona 2 duology is the best in the series for me

But you still have to remember these are almost 30 year old rpgs so mechanically they don't hold out as well as newer games

[kindred jungle]

i couldnt get part the 1st part of the game as the god-awful first person sections with a billion random encounters made me very pissed

i installed psp persona 3 on an emulator but never got round to playing it

[glacial beacon]

you could always try a modded version or something if you ever want to try again, it does change the original intended experience but sometimes that is helpful if your intentions dont match whatever the game is trying to be

[acoustic raft]

Persona 2 already got rid of fpp exploration

But random encouters are still there

Shift away from that across the genre only started happening during ps3/x360 generations

[kindred jungle]

yeah, it wasnt the random encounters alone that were the problem for me, it was that they were every 3 steps in the maze of a hospital that got on my nerves

im def gonna play some of the newer games, but i dont really have the motivation to unless they come to PS+

[acoustic raft]

You'd be surprised how common it was in jrpgs in the 80s and 90s

I'll never say I miss those times

But that was the genre standard for decades so I'm not holding it against those games

[kindred jungle]

i have an awful habit of not finishing games if i get annoyed by them for like 1 day

[dusky wigeon]

some games still even do this to this day

it’s just not for everyone

it can be a means to tell a story too

[kindred jungle]

i got deep into a game but a softlocking bug made me give up on it, havent played again since that day

[acoustic raft]

I have a lot of patience for games. I usually only don't finish a game if it's just straight up bad

Like broken beyond jank

[kindred jungle]

if im really enjoying a game i will sink AGES into it

[dusky wigeon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/drakengard-3-zero-mCdSeXIaW89SaoELRW

[kindred jungle]

case in point: Cyberpunk 2077, i sunk hours into just exploring the world and not even playing the story

[acoustic raft]

Final boss rhythm minigame ptsd

[dusky wigeon]

[acoustic raft]

I literally locked the metronome in to the rhythm and was tapping alongside it cause visual cues were dogshit

[dusky wigeon]

last note was good

[acoustic raft]

I was literally counting bars to get to this note

[dusky wigeon]

“I” by Michael was a clue

[acoustic raft]

I'm an amateur musician so that was the way most natural to me

[dusky wigeon]

honestly it was probably even intended to do so

“don’t look at it, pay attention to the rhythm!”

game intentionaly bad

a Yoko Taro special

[acoustic raft]

Drakengard 1 was a great story but goddamn was that gameplay a walk through hell

[glacial beacon]

most of the most artistic games narratively do things that are intentionally there to not be enjoyable from a game sense

you got earthbound being an absolutely terrible rpg to simulate childhood inconvenience

you got death strandings entire runtime

etc

[dusky wigeon]

https://youtu.be/184iFZRBoZs

[acoustic raft]

I mean even good horror games need to have bad elements to it (usually combat) to make it scary

As in you can't just play a marine

[dusky wigeon]

which reminds me, I wanted to play original Fatal Frame

[acoustic raft]

Fatal Frame is literally my favourite horror series ever

[kindred jungle]

counterpoint: DOOM works as a pseudo-horror because its scary but also a power fantasy game and is fun asf

[dusky wigeon]

does first game have tank controls? (I’m bad at ’em)

[acoustic raft]

It's got horror elements but is not a horror. Major difference

[glacial beacon]

i've played fatal frame 1 I don't have strong memories of it personally but I assume 1 isn't what its famous for

I never got to the next entries yet

[grim citrus]

my brotha you ARE THE HORROR in DOOM

[acoustic raft]

Series gets progressively better with every entry (besides Maiden of Black Water, the last entry)

They kinda fumbled that one but it was still a good horror game regardless

[grim citrus]

you play as the horror, the demons are the horror game players

[glacial beacon]

random but the talk of doom guy and games in general made me remember the doom guy mii outfit jumpscare for smash's final update

[acoustic raft]

I want to remind everyone that Doomguy began the whole crusade because demons killed his pet bunny

[glacial beacon]

i havent played eternal or dark ages yet so idk if they retconned that or went all in on it

I hope they went all in on it

[dusky wigeon]

demons have chosen death

[acoustic raft]

Only doom 3 is retconned from the timeline iirc

[kindred jungle]

i know that one of the cofounders retconned the retcon that it was because his wife and child were killed

[glacial beacon]

also as a side tangent I do think its kinda funny that atleast doom 2016 as its the only one i played and can speak for in the revamped doom lineup is more of a quake game than a doom game

not that it makes it any lesser I love doom 2016 i just think its funny

[acoustic raft]

It's true tho

It did feel like expansion on Quake 1-2 and Eternal went full Quake 3 Arena

[glacial beacon]

i'm excited to play eternal eventually, the weird thing is i bought it when it came out but i literally have just let it sit there

[acoustic raft]

I had quite a few cases like this

And for me Eternal is the best FPS of the last decade or so

[kindred jungle]

fps is a genre i never found myself really playing or thinking i'd enjoy and then there was one game i played and really loved and i dont remember what it was

the fps that really stuck with me was Cyberpunk 2077 tho

[dusky wigeon]

not a fan of fps, but boomer shooters are fine

Bioshock too

does Return to Castle Wolfenstein count as boomer shooter one actually?

[acoustic raft]

I've always been an fps fan but I feel neglected in the genre nowadays because barely anything even has campaigns now

No

[kindred jungle]

oh god the Black Ops games...

havent played either of the newest ones but from what ive seen theyre awful and the newest one has ONLY multiplayer campaign

[acoustic raft]

I count boomer shooters as stuff like Doom1-2, Castle Wolfenstein, Quake 1-3, Blood

[dusky wigeon]

makese sense

Return to Castle Wolfenstein was fine too though

[acoustic raft]

I very much think 2000-2001 was kind of a cutoff point for boomer shooters vs "modern" shooters

Yes it was great

I liked when Wolfenstein was about fighting occultic nazis

[glacial beacon]

theres tons of indie boomer shooters EVERYONE wants to make one lol

[dusky wigeon]

it’s probably because of the level design in Doom/Quake

maps were actually interesting

[acoustic raft]

I am still waiting for a wave of ps2 -ps3 era style of character action games

[glacial beacon]

I recently 100%'d cyberpunk 2077 it was the previous project before i dived into hi3

so like i did it all a few months ago, great game ❤️

[acoustic raft]

When I see a soulslikes nowadays parading as a character action games

Something dies inside me

[glacial beacon]

I'm surprised "stylish action" dmc likes aren't something that are spammed out like other buzz genres

[acoustic raft]

It was during ps2 and ps3 era

Then it kinda died

When Dark Souls dropped and everyone and their mother started to want to make one themselves

[dusky wigeon]

I like Souls games, but I also don’t feel like every game should be a Soulslike

[acoustic raft]

Besides Nioh series literally no soulslike came even close to fromsoft output

[glacial beacon]

tbf even I wanna make a souls like (I intend to develop games eventually) I love the genre but it is oversaturated

[acoustic raft]

The way mechanics work in soulslikes doesn't lend itself to freeform emergent combat

[dusky wigeon]

~~Aya, wanna collaborate on a game project? I already have a headless 3D modell half-done ~~

[glacial beacon]

XD

[cerulean robin]

~~ souls like rogue like deck builders are the bane of my existence xD~~

[glacial beacon]

I am honored you'd even consider me.~

[acoustic raft]

I still think Ninka Gaiden 1 and 2 were peak of action combat

The fact no one was inspired by them is a travesty

[glacial beacon]

ninja gaiden is the most unfriendly game experience ever, not anything bad inherently but like

it's like it greets you at the door with a full force brick in the face

its very unique for that~

[acoustic raft]

Yes it's hard as balls but also insanely fun once you start understanding the mechanics

Even the creator himself called the series a meth in game form

[dusky wigeon]

I think a 3D Castlevania in good would be neat

[glacial beacon]

I havent played bloodstained yet but isnt that what it is basically?

[dusky wigeon]

like the actual Castlevania

Bloodstained is 2D, isn’t it?

[acoustic raft]

Yeah

[dusky wigeon]

or I’m thinking of a different one

[glacial beacon]

probably

[acoustic raft]

3d Castlevanias were closer to character action games

[neon tiger]

add sigma to it, and you have a world of pain

[acoustic raft]

Not dmc tier ofc but they had something under the hood mechanically

[dusky wigeon]

they just forgot the Castlevaniaing part

[glacial beacon]

the old wild west of gaming ps2 and below is so fun to think about not in a sense of "it was better" in many ways it was horrible but it had some charming enigmas

like i'm reminded of how they randomly made a castlevania fighting game for no good reason

and made all the character designs horrible

[acoustic raft]

There weren't any genre standards so everyone was throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks

[dusky wigeon]

I think PS2 designs are more the way they are due to inexperience with 3D at that time still

[acoustic raft]

And I loved that era for it

For all the good and bad

[dusky wigeon]

late 90s — early 2000s is peak gaming

also anime

[glacial beacon]

they also learned how fast they could pump games out and because of that the ps2 if i'm not mistaken still has the largest library of all single consoles period?

[acoustic raft]

I still think "looks like a ps2 game" is a bad faith criticism because they still mostly look fine

[glacial beacon]

a lot of it is pure garbage but the experimentation is crazy

[acoustic raft]

If someone looked me in the eye and said mgs3 looks bad

Then I would know they lack any kind of taste

[earnest dew]

Suddenly arknight keeps closing on android does anybody face this issue?

[acoustic raft]

Around 3500 iirc

[dusky wigeon]

I don’t play on phones, sorry, can’t tell

[acoustic raft]

I still play ps2 games on occasions even now. Its library alone is so massive I likely won't run out of games to play for decades

[glacial beacon]

theres a lot to see and the thing about that era is that tons of games really go under the radar because of the sheer volume

[full yew]

I spot ancient people talk

[acoustic raft]

Like rn I'm playing 10000 bullets. It's basically animed up japanese Max Payne

[glacial beacon]

I am only 26

[acoustic raft]

And is cool as hell

[acoustic raft]

I'm almost 30 so I guess I'm an old man by today standards

[sick wagon]

It's cool people are talking about retro games

[dusky wigeon]

same age category

[full yew]

I have not adjusted to what retro means in this decade

[dusky wigeon]

NES

[full yew]

my boi

[dusky wigeon]

Nintendo DS is still fresh

[sick wagon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soulcalibur_III
After Soul Blade, it's the Soulcalibur I grew up with

[glacial beacon]

didn't ds games massively skyrocket in value since they stopped printing them or something

[acoustic raft]

[glacial beacon]

froggy ❤️

[full yew]

[sick wagon]

https://youtu.be/1avk6v13cIU?si=QFv3b9eVnEpDSi3R

I remember this intro

[acoustic raft]

Let's remember that ps3 is to current teenagers like a nes was to kids growing up in 2000s

[dusky wigeon]

photorealism

[sick wagon]

Now it's on ps plus otherwise it costs $11

Can't believe it's been 20 years

[acoustic raft]

SC3 is hilariously bugged for competetive play. Actual top clown tier shit you could do there

[glacial beacon]

I do wonder if we will hit a point where games stop looking significantly different each generation, I personally feel like ps4 to ps5 (I count gens based on playstations im sorry) didn't change visuals much

and "remastering" becomes pointless

[dusky wigeon]

it’s the problem with modern games in general, in search for the ultimate photorealism, the artistry was left behind

[acoustic raft]

I hope we'll stop chasing graphical fidelity and focus more on gameplay, destructible environments and such

Stuff that actually requires creativity

[full yew]

photorealism with framegen to smoothen the low fps eyesore

[dusky wigeon]

like… there’s nothing wrong with accurate lighting, but if it comes at the expense of artistic expression and style, then it’s not worth it imho

[glacial beacon]

I think blanket statements like these should be avoided imo theres just as much artistry now as there ever was its just where it is

not everything needs to be made for everyone it cant be that way

[full yew]

the problem is games being made for everyone to maximize profit margin

[acoustic raft]

You can find a lot of artistic stuff. It's just not that prominent in aaa space

[dusky wigeon]

yeah

[glacial beacon]

i think thats just how triple A spaces work though and the only reason it was any different was because pre ps3 era they didnt have it figured out as a system yet

once they figured out the formula to profits it was over but thats every creative industry

but the creatives making the amazing stuff just either somehow get it made triple A when they can or are to be found elsewhere in the scene

[acoustic raft]

When are going back to AA budgets

Like a lot of legendary games were in that budget ballpark

[sick wagon]

Although

It has the most single player content out of any Soulcalibur

Including Chronicles of the Sword

[full yew]

we are in the age of AAAA gaming

[glacial beacon]

just gotta look around its the sad truth that tons of stuff is made all the time but marketing determines what we see without trying

[acoustic raft]

And I know one of the problems are investors who want the companies to either go under or make gazillions dollars right off the bat

[glacial beacon]

gotta do your own research to find the great stuff now.~

[sick wagon]

https://soulcalibur.fandom.com/wiki/Chronicles_of_the_Sword

[acoustic raft]

Not making steady profits

The AAA industry is just unsustainable at long term

[glacial beacon]

of course then theres also when an artist just happens to get successful enough to fund their own projects like a kojima

[dusky wigeon]

I think the mere fact alone that older games are being remade and remastered speaks for itself

not that it’s being done good, not at all, but that there is is an attempt

[full yew]

idk what you mean

[acoustic raft]

Maybe it's my hot take but I truly believe that the games that should be remade should be those that weren't perfect and can be truly improved on significantky

[dusky wigeon]

yes!

ideally by original creators who couldn’t fully fulfill their vision back then

[glacial beacon]

I was very upset that demons souls "remake" just existed to ruin the artistry of demons souls without improving what is a VERY flawed game

[dusky wigeon]

and not how they massacred my WC3

[glacial beacon]

its literally a copy paste job

it has all the same bugs

they did nothing

[neon tiger]

@blazing plume looks like game wants me to build physical:

[acoustic raft]

I don't see a point to remakes that are like 1:1 besides just prettier graphics

Which also often lose on the original's artstyle

Like Shadow of Collosus or Demons Souls remakes

Or recent MGS3 delta

[dusky wigeon]

https://youtu.be/kK0cmL1OxU0 don’t you like the new sounds though?

[glacial beacon]

I mean I get the point I often think of games i really enjoy and how much more they could be if their looks didnt hold them back but this depends on the specific game as aesthetic and graphics arent the same and artistry is what matters but theres definitely places that games could be improved that are visual/presentation issues without any purposeful addition to the experience

for example having just binged hi3 all the way through it's rough in a lot of places that a remake could make it amazing

ik its a live service gacha and would never get a remake but just an example

[acoustic raft]

Like actually one game that immediately comes to my mind is Drakengard 1. That game had such terrible ground combat that literally anything else would be better

[dusky wigeon]

I mean… Sakura Samsara clearly misses some bits

[acoustic raft]

Remake would fix it

[full yew]

gothic1 remake makes we cry

but not of happiness

[acoustic raft]

But I know the ground combat in Drakengard was a last minute directive from the publisher they had to add

Like months before release

It wasn't an original intention for it to be bad

But you could say gameplay is as much of a suffering for the player as what the characters were going through in the story

[blazing plume]

Booo

[glacial beacon]

I have to admit I agree drakengard 1 is an art game and I wanna love it but playing it was torment which was the point but I have nothing but spite for that experience lol

[neon tiger]

well he is a physical support, so its fine

[glacial beacon]

the ost made me turn the music off, i've never done that to a game before and it goes against my morals with how i treat art

but i couldnt take it

[dusky wigeon]

puts you in the shoes of the protagonist

[glacial beacon]

ik the music is literally designed to make you feel like you are going psychotic

well congratulations but you did TOO well

[acoustic raft]

It was anything but on brand

But see some of the greatest games artistically had friction in the gameplay

[mild stratus]

yooo its

[glacial beacon]

i appreciate drakengard 1 and despite hating the experience that ultimately doesn't matter since it got its message across and especially how it adds to the rest of the series nier/drakengard 3 (which is incredible) but it was not pleasant to go through lol

[dusky wigeon]

would non-tank-controlls (how do you call “normal” controls? lol) make Silent Hill a better game?

it would be easier to play (at least for me), but something would be lost

precisely that

[acoustic raft]

The thing in survival horror games is that gameplay needs that mechanical friction to get the point across

[dusky wigeon]

not having movement-issues would trivialize the monsters

[glacial beacon]

horror is a really interesting genre (when done right) in any medium be it film or games or whatever else

[blazing plume]

ar least it’s not a dupe

[acoustic raft]

Would it be scary if you could easily dodge enemies and slash at them like you're playing dmc? Surely not

[blazing plume]

Did you see that one video on why horror games have beautiful music

[glacial beacon]

yes I have ❤️

[blazing plume]

Could go the RE9 approach

[acoustic raft]

Well they split it to 2 characters with different gameplay styles

[blazing plume]

Or the approach where they give you weapons, then take it all away for a section

[glacial beacon]

An interesting thing to note i've thought of many times and brought up to others is that I think dark souls makes an effective horror game

[dusky wigeon]

YES

I’m still scared of Smough and Ornstein

[acoustic raft]

I was actually making that point back when Demons souls released on ps3

[dusky wigeon]

if I hear the boss music on the streets I’ll probably panick roll

[acoustic raft]

Like in Demon's Souls a lot of areas were so dark you kinda had to walk slowly fearing what might jump from an unlighted corner

Because you could see like 2-3 meters in front of you

[full yew]

hide behind pillar

[glacial beacon]

XD I think there's a lot of perspective to be found in introspection and replays/rewatches of things, I bring this up because atleast personally I think it's really fun to look back at what we used to think is challenging and in a replay realize how far we have come like how players complained in mass dark souls 3 is too easy but we are all biased based on our memories of things instead of literal truth

the reality is the easiest (hyperbole) elden ring boss eclipses ornstein and smough

[acoustic raft]

Also legacy skill is a thing

[neon tiger]

the healer dupe is actually huge though, although people dont understand it 😛

[dusky wigeon]

Smough and Ornstein might not be the hardest boss in retrospect, but doing ’em first time was mental

[full yew]

it only took me 8 hours to beat them

[dusky wigeon]

once you know how to beat ’em, Dark Souls has ended

[glacial beacon]

yea that experience teaches a lot about patience which is really the core value of souls and why I actually think people are missing the point when they call souls likes hard games

generally souls games are actually quite easy they just punish bad mental hard

[dusky wigeon]

well… it’s hard

[neon tiger]

@blazing plume tell me, why wouldnt you want to have this:

[glacial beacon]

hard games are things like touhou on max difficulty nightmares

[acoustic raft]

Like I really love monster hunters and I say that Wilds was way too easy but my friend who started with this one didn't think so but I also had literal thousands of hours spent in previous games

[full yew]

souls games are great because you can get a lot more after beating it by restricting yourself to a challenge and then cri in pain

[glacial beacon]

thats another thing about souls thats interesting how modular the difficulty is

[acoustic raft]

I never considered soulslikes as truly hard games

[full yew]

what's a hard game

[glacial beacon]

easy or hard ultimately doesnt matter its just something I find interesting to dissect

I do that with everything though dont mind the professional overthinker

[acoustic raft]

For me a hard game is Ninja Gaiden, Monster Hunters on Master Ranks or from recent stuff I'm playing Reverse Collapse: Code Name Bakery

[glacial beacon]

fatalis in world is probably my favorite thing ever gameplay wise in any game ever btw

[acoustic raft]

I spent like 40 hours on this mf

to grind the gear

[glacial beacon]

took me like a week to solo it finally since i solo hunt everything as "first experience"

and week does not mean incremental small play sessions

[acoustic raft]

But the processes of learning until I could fight him without getting hit was really satisfying in the end

[glacial beacon]

it took too long... but it was an experience

[glacial beacon]

pretty much what he demands of you

the timer will end your hunt if you waste time healing

[acoustic raft]

But despite it he felt fair

Unlike Alatreon

That bastard

[glacial beacon]

alatreon is my 2nd favorite and i disagree

[acoustic raft]

I hate dps check mechanics in this series

[glacial beacon]

I think its a matter of perspective

the entire fatalis fight from literally the second it starts is a dps check

imo

[acoustic raft]

But it's not like he'll kill you instantly in the middle of the fight

For failing the dps check for phase 1

[glacial beacon]

ye alatreons mechanic is unfriendly especially to multiplayer since its a whole fight wipe if that goes off once in a team of 3 or 4

but as a solo hunter it doesnt feel unbalanced

[acoustic raft]

Well I always play monster hunters with the same group of friends

I never really enjoyed this series solo

Maybe because my weapon sucks for solo fights in general

[glacial beacon]

I prefer everything solo that's just how I am lol even if the solo is unintended which can bite me

I played code vein solo

aka turned off the ai partner

this was a mistake...

[acoustic raft]

Elden Ring also isn't very fun completely solo for me

Bosses are really overtuned for that

They're swinging at you as if they have almost infinite stamina

[dusky wigeon]

bosses with a gimmick were fun

like for instance that one slime in a cave

with invisibility

[acoustic raft]

I really liked how Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne's boss fights felt like elaborate dance

[dusky wigeon]

cause you had to figure out how to beat ’em

[glacial beacon]

I can see that though I still prefer it solo, but it's about perspective, I like feeling like "I did that" when somethings over and being in a team even if i carry makes me feel like it wasn't really my achievement a lot of the time

[acoustic raft]

But Elden Ring feels like you're getting whipped in a dungeon

[glacial beacon]

which isnt me being selfish or a bad teammate or anything

I just dont feel as accomplished about it

[acoustic raft]

I undertand that perspective

But mine is: If the game allows it I will take all the advantages I can

[dusky wigeon]

same

[glacial beacon]

speaking of awesome moments in team games though there are times when you can end up being the hero to your whole team which may be some of the most trascendent gameplay moments ever

[dusky wigeon]

if the game gives me fire bombs then I’ll use ’em against Capra Demon dogs

works smart, not hard

[glacial beacon]

my experience of endwalker in ff14 goes HARD because of an unscripted gameplay thing I pulled off in the story playthrough first time

[acoustic raft]

Actually my second favourite coop series is Earth Defense Force

It's so dumb and addicting

[glacial beacon]

ff14 spoilers -> ||In my endsinger raid at the end of the story I was the last one standing with 10% hp left on the boss as the tank and I made it to phase 2 for the prayer revive of all wiped party members||

the amount that elevated the experience of the story of endwalker while being entirely unintentional as a part of it was immaculate

[dusky wigeon]

moments like that are great

[acoustic raft]

Yeah. That's just something that can never be replicated solo

[glacial beacon]

also playing elden ring nightreign with friends of mine the game is intentionally designed for multiplayer completely and i basically had another "lock in and win for the team" moment with the dlc boss

though it was intense and insane and i probably shouldve just died

had to do the last 25% alone on harmonia

I was ducchess and the 2 teammates were on their 3 bar revive penalty so there was no viable chance of me getting them up meaningfully lol

thats why i say I prob shouldve just died instead of playing 20 mins of solo

but it worked!

[acoustic raft]

As long as it works

It's intended

[glacial beacon]

[blazing plume]

What’s a good ardelia team? I don’t know what I’m doing in this game tbh

[blazing plume]

Fatalis mentioned 😱

[glacial beacon]

I hope wilds expansion gives us white fatalis or something similarly peak

i mean it doesnt need to be a fatalis i just hope we get a "fight that hard thats justifiable with the tier of the creature in question"

[glacial beacon]

they could give us an amatsu fight that's that hard

or something entirely new

[blazing plume]

It wasn’t that bad tbh

A lot of people hype it up, so it can’t really live up to it

[dusky wigeon]

I struggled against ’em

[glacial beacon]

speaking of that I will give smough and ornstein credit for one thing, they do move as one entity which is great game design

and they backpeddaled that with double encounters in elden ring

godskin duo have no such programming

[blazing plume]

Also, NG4 isn’t that hard
1 is just straight up bull 💩 not even hard, just unfair

[glacial beacon]

and thats exactly why they are a nightmare

[acoustic raft]

NG4 is just bad ninja gaiden

but a good slasher still

[blazing plume]

Welcome to Watchmojo, and today we’re counting down the top 10 hardest video game boss fights…

[acoustic raft]

They didn't understand why mechanics worked like they did when Itagaki was designing them

[blazing plume]

It’s so far my favorite tbh
Way better than 1

Now I gotta play 2 and 3

[acoustic raft]

If you didn't like 1

2 is basically improved on with way more meth

[blazing plume]

I only beat the first boss of 2, but it wasn’t too bad at the start

[glacial beacon]

thinking of ninja gaiden made me think of stylish action which brought dmc to my mind which made me think "if only we could get a kamiya developed dmc6" which reminded me his studio is making okami 2

[acoustic raft]

NG and DMC kinda have opposite philosophies

[blazing plume]

I’d rather they start remaking DMC

[acoustic raft]

DMC wants you to be stylish, NG wants you to be as effective as possible

[glacial beacon]

true.~

I just was trying to explain my thought process to bring up okami 2 being a real thing thats actually going to happen

which is interesting to see since its so strange that its gonna happen at all

its so weird that it slips my mind it even is reality

[acoustic raft]

Or Onimusha returning

After literally 20 years

We live in a strange times of most unexpected returns of long frozen franchises

[glacial beacon]

time is a flat circle.~

[acoustic raft]

Too bad some of my favourite series won't likely get that treatment

[glacial beacon]

that would be interesting.~

[acoustic raft]

Like Shadow Hearts, Xenosaga, Wild Arms

[dusky wigeon]

Shadow Hearts

[glacial beacon]

many gems of the wild west just werent proftiable enough despite their quality

like klonoa

[acoustic raft]

Also I always regretted that Metal Max series didn't really release outside of japan

Besides like 2 or 3 games out of a bunch

I plan to play them some time in the future to train my japanese

I really need to start playing stuff in japanese more

[glacial beacon]

you never know what will happen in the future really, always remember that monster hunter world is really monster hunter 5 and for over a decade it was a barely marketed not marketed just localized and dropped on shelves outside japan series that was so niche that people barely talked about it

[acoustic raft]

Oh I know very well that Monster Hunter truly started existing in the west with World

And before it, it was a series for crazy people basically here

[glacial beacon]

I was in before world.~

mh3u starter

lagiacrus is my passion.~

[acoustic raft]

I started with Freedom Unite

I still don't know how I survived those terrible psp controlls

In hindsight

I surely wouldn't play it again this way

[glacial beacon]

mh1 on ps2 is super interesting in the regard of awful controls because you attacked with the camera stick

needless to say I play that game an "alternative" way

[acoustic raft]

There are even fan servers

And that's honestly impressive

[glacial beacon]

the old mh games are an experience mh2 on ps2 is infamous for its difficulty

45 min hunt with good gear against a tigrex

[acoustic raft]

I surely wouldn't be able to experience online in mh1 back in the day

As I didn't even have internet back then

[glacial beacon]

it is neat to see the remains of old multiplayer systems they had a lot of character

[acoustic raft]

Especially when people were larping

[glacial beacon]

mh4u and 3u multiplayer scenes were still alive natively when I played them

[acoustic raft]

Some chat exchages I had in character in other games were pretty fun

I liked to play like a cave man. You know "ME GO KILL MONSTER" in chat and such

[glacial beacon]

I have always been myself in things as boring as that may sound.~ but im sure that's fun ❤️

[acoustic raft]

I guess I carried that roleplaying spirit on as I also play tabletop rpgs

Since covid started

[glacial beacon]

I have never really had the pleasure of enjoying tabletop stuff, I don't really have much to say on the topic since i've never really gone into it, I have been interested occassionally though.~

[acoustic raft]

For me it was pretty accidental. Some people in one gaming oriented server I'm in proposed he can gm some Vampire The Masquerade. I played the Bloodlines game so I got interested and the rest is history

[glacial beacon]

I know a friend who is on a crusade to drag me into a dnd session, so perhaps the same may occur

[acoustic raft]

Also two years ago I found there are ttrpgs meetups in my city every month so I'm also going to those

Good opportunity to try out different systems

I wouldn't normally play with my group

And also live sessions really do feel completely different than playing online

I lock in more face to face than online

[glacial beacon]

i'll definitely have to atleast give it a try once eventually.~

[acoustic raft]

I will always tell people to at least try it to see if they like it because it's the type of experience you can't quantify without participation

In the end I went different way. I indeed started with D&D but then I found I like story driven systems more

So now my group mainly plays World of Darkness systems like Vampire The Masquerade, Mage The Ascension, Hunter The Reckoning, Werewolf The Apocalypse

Because everyone found out they like less mechanically heavy systems and more story/character driven

There is a joke in a community that I kinda find true empirically

"You either become D&D head for the rest of your life or move on to literally every other system and never come back"

Because people either like the restrictive nature of D&D mechanics and don't feel the need to play anything else or literally move on to other systems because they want more freedom

Both ways are valid of course

That's just a general observation in the community

[glacial beacon]

i'll have to find out for myself if I ever get into it.~ ❤️ it sounds interesting, didn't know there was more depth or systems but to be fair I don't really know anything about any form of the system.~

[acoustic raft]

D&D is just good for beginners because it basically established framework for TTRPGs, has simple enough rule to understand and the setting doesn't need explaining because who doesn't know what an Elf or Ogre is

Like I wouldn't for example give a group of complete beginners Vampire The Masquerade with no knowledge of the universe because there's more baseline knowledge to be acquired to understand how the setting works (you're basically playing as Vampires with their own mafia families in modern settings that keep up the Masquerade so humanity doesn't find out about them) this system is more freeform in its rules and allows for more creativity with character choices but are not as readily apparent

[glacial beacon]

Makes sense.~ Well thank you for the information. ❤️ I have never heard of the ones beyond dnd so it's neat to know about. Aside from that i'm going to go cook and do some other things, it was fun chatting with everyone see you all later.~

[acoustic raft]

[grim citrus]

Calling in the Super Destroyer in the new commando missions literally uses the Konami code
You cannot make this shit up

[acoustic raft]

I mean it's so widespread historically that its inclusion doesn't seem that crazy tbh

[wheat verge]

Gundam my beloved ❤️

[grim citrus]

The missions themselves are fun

They really make you play conservatively

[sick wagon]

https://youtu.be/FiFti8zR7Yg?si=NqxQR07spsXSib-v

[grim citrus]

You can't go throwing explosives left and right, calling support weapons whenever you please

You drop in, you have a single minute to drop in everything you need and the ship leaves orbit
You get a single use to call it back in for whenever you really need it

[quasi peak]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

its missing the last 3 inputs

[grim citrus]

Stratagems don't have A, B or start buttons 😔

Close enough

[quasi peak]

keyboard a b

dunno what the fuck youre gonna do for start tho

enter maybe

[grim citrus]

No, as in, stratagem inputs are only arrows

Your helldiver is swiping those inputs on a wrist pad

[blazing plume]

Damnit
I was just editing a sim factory for a bit
How did an hour go by

https://tenor.com/view/pte-mass-production-factory-gif-17858009

[mystic pond]

We ready

[grim citrus]

Seeing people with more than one 6* and one of them being Surtr makes a "BROKE BITCH ALERT" alarm sound in my head

I only got Last Rite from the beginner banner from my last 10 pull on it

[blazing plume]

I got a dupe!

[dusky wigeon]

your name is growing ever longer

[grim citrus]

I have like 2 ten pulls and no hope

[blazing plume]

I wasted thirty pulls on chartered headhunters

Gonna grind to 120

[grim citrus]

Then again
I do want Yvonne

[visual hare]

u need to expend five night at freddys
oh thats ok, can i bring my sister to location
yeah thats ok, but don't be missundesturd, this is not a pizzaria simulator.
thats ok (i forgot the rest)

[novel sluice]

i like mommies how did you know

[novel sluice]

would be so funny if the income was gatekept so hard that even if you explore all areas 100%, at the last day of banner you'll still be short pulls for 120

cuz that's how i see this going

[blazing plume]

@neon tiger only on level 18 btw
I see people and they’re like on level 34 and I’m like whaaa

[novel sluice]

you could have just saved the 10 pull we got through mail today for the next character or smth

[grim citrus]

Unemployment.

And lack of sleep

[novel sluice]

someone on my friend list at 42 already

[blazing plume]

With all these organizations, you’d think we’d finally have a final chapter.
But the chapter’s ads of “help wanted” really are persuasive in a low employment environment
Although given their recent security breach, I’m surprised people are still investing in their stocks
And that they haven’t reached their ruin

[blazing plume]

Someone calc’d it to be like 200 pulls
But uh…that is if you get everything, which is like
140 chests in a region? Yikes

[novel sluice]

one area alone has 107

[blazing plume]

At my luck I’m not even gonna stay in the is game for a month

I’m about to rage quit

[novel sluice]

make it a week

in fact you're already lasting longer than what i thought you would

[blazing plume]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

The mommies 😩

[blazing plume]

https://tenor.com/view/corridor-corridor-crew-iron-chef-handshake-armshake-gif-25345048

[novel sluice]

just set the factory to make items for you, spend stamina and come back next day

you need lv25 just to finish chapter 1

[blazing plume]

I haven’t even finished story :ohno:

[novel sluice]

yeah then don't worry about it

no matter how hard you grind you'll still be playing the waiting game

[blazing plume]

I’m so slow at playing games, by the time I’ve caught up next patch will drop

[novel sluice]

as much as i would like to play all day like a neet, having to work night shifts everyday has been frustrating since i can't progress on my gachas

still considering what i should buy next month with the double paycheck

[blazing plume]

Buy happiness

[novel sluice]

out of budget

needs to fit the minimal wage range

looking into a deal to see if i can get me a ps5 from a friend

[mystic pond]

https://tenor.com/view/mining-pakistani-pakistani-miner-pakistani-mining-coal-gif-1265210761147612079

This is how i feel

[novel sluice]

it's all automated into the deposit, i wouldn't have made it past the first day if i had to manyal every XX hours

[mystic pond]

I know but i actually like it

Making the new mining equipment by grinding out the mats to build them then start getting the new stuff

I think its rewarding

[novel sluice]

i had to draw 6 relay towers just to get the first ferrium mines setup

[sick wagon]

After 3 steps on the Kenpachi Linage Summons, I finally got Ginjo

[dusky wigeon]

I got saved by Piper once again

she carried the middle team

Vivian and Yanagi didn’t work there, but Piper did

[novel sluice]

max stamina in endfield seems to cap out at 300

[novel sluice]

wow i can already fight lv80 domains and bosses

only just managed to put two people on lv50 imagine fighting these now

[gusty kestrel]

@arctic lodge (hope ur doing good)

I got da astra wengine!

[pure glacier]

omg hi sista

[novel sluice]

[pure glacier]

hows arknights

[fallen vine]

triple elec resist during sanby rerun is insane

[dusky wigeon]

triple physical + double fire is also kinda odd

[novel sluice]

it's ok, factory is carring the game

tho income is awful

[pure glacier]

o

[novel sluice]

people aren't even sure they'll make it to 120 pulls before first limited banner ends

[pure glacier]

i heard the gacha system is really weird

oh.

[novel sluice]

they mixed 50/50 with spark

[pure glacier]

what

[novel sluice]

60 pulls gives guaranteed 6 star but uprate is 50/50

[fallen vine]

uprate is guaranteed at 120 iirc

[novel sluice]

to 'spark' the uprate you need another 60 if you lose the 50

[fallen vine]

also you can pull uprates from future banners as a 50/50 loss atm

[novel sluice]

the pity carries over yeah but the guarantee is only at 120 pulls

said guarantee doesn't carry over, only pity does

[pure glacier]

[novel sluice]

so if you pull 119 times and don't get the unit, if you don't spark it, you have pity for the next banner but the spark gets erased

[pure glacier]

thats insane

[fallen vine]

eos tomorrow

[novel sluice]

they really gatekept the gacha resource so people are obligated to explore just to hit guaranteed

but if you ignore the gacha, the game is okayish, factory is what's carrying it

[brazen geyser]

after reading what endfield gacha is like

it makes stellasora more tame despite the 3000 a pull

[novel sluice]

endfield makes any other gacha look generous in comparison

[fallen vine]

except fgo

[novel sluice]

fgo dinosaurs do not concern themselves with 330 pulls for one pity

today's the 3rd day and i have like 28 pulls

and i'm caught up with the story as far as my acc level allows

[wraith karma]

[fallen vine]

releasing a worse gacha than every other big gacha is definitely a choice

[wraith karma]

How much did you play

[fallen vine]

[novel sluice]

pretty much 12 hours a day during work

[wraith karma]

I played a lot and im barely in the originium science park area

[brazen geyser]

honestly arknights gacha from OG game and endfield are just really bad

[novel sluice]

next story needs lv30 for me

also unlocked levi character story

or whatever its called in here

[fallen vine]

they could just make it so the 120 doesnt reset and itd be fine unless income is really bad

[wraith karma]

I got a semblance of a factory setup though

[novel sluice]

one thing is certain, you definitely don't play endfield for the gacha

cuz you won't have any pulls anyway

[wraith karma]

120? Whats 120 from

[fallen vine]

guarantee for rate up apparently

[novel sluice]

the spark

[brazen geyser]

they sure want people to spend all their time in the game as long as possible

[wraith karma]

Oh for rate up

[novel sluice]

i don't worry about it since i don't plan on getting the first limited unit but people who have been pulling every 200 currency are coping so hard rn

[brazen geyser]

lmao

I haven't even touched endfield yet despite downloading it

i've been safe

[novel sluice]

i feel like i'll be going for at least the first month solely for the factory being engaging

[mystic pond]

I havent payed attention to story at all but the open world and combat i actually enjoy

I like the team being with you

[novel sluice]

their dynamic is really smooth, they walk or run besides you, pick up most items, as well as position themselves towards story objectives, or stay besides treasure chests nearby so you notice them

you actually feel like you have a party during adventuring

[mystic pond]

Real

also the combat

[novel sluice]

if you move behind a cover to avoid a nuke, they all run together to hide behind it with you

[mystic pond]

I dont have to tag people in, its total chaos and i love it

[trail hare]

accidentally changed endmin gender to male

[wraith karma]

If you calculate, outside of finite things like exploration, endfield gives just as many pulls per day as wuwa and genshin

[trail hare]

i feel like endfield is 90% factory, 8% exploration, 1% gacha

[novel sluice]

make it 99 factory, 1% exploration

gacha doesn't exist

[trail hare]

[novel sluice]

even endgame gear requires factory stuff to upgrade base gear

[trail hare]

minmaxer completionist is gonna have a field day with this

[mystic pond]

I have barely touched factory

Im rank 26 rn

[trail hare]

i spent most of my time in factory plots

[mystic pond]

I build what i need

Ill play factory simulator in endgame LMFAO

[trail hare]

that would save time, but you should still do the stock

[mystic pond]

I built a factory in the hub for making money

[novel sluice]

just build the basic stuff like batteries and stuff for bombs since those keep the factory functioning, and bombs for exploring

you get blueprints that expedite all the chore of setting buildings down one by one

then you can farm bills later once you're actually making products that sell

also craft a lot of relay pillars, you'll be putting down a lot of them just to get one mining rig setup done in some far off places

[arctic lodge]

Wowie you're getting there!!
Also sorry my Internet is dead for...reasons...its barely holding out so I can't have proper conversations and I'd like to apologise in advance

Ayyayyy

[gusty kestrel]

I hope whatever’s going on, i hope you’re doing okay

[arctic lodge]

Yea I'm all good!

[gusty kestrel]

But yeah i got me an astra and her engine to support my account…and holy crap lighter feels SO MUCH better

[mystic pond]

Already put a fuckton down

[wraith karma]

Send blueprints pls

[mystic pond]

I love how i can move with the connection and fight enemies

Beat their ass and place down another pillar

[primal kestrel]

Should have been a character

[mystic pond]

[wraith karma]

Did you see this already?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/s/Xfe23OzHIf

[gusty kestrel]

One for jane and one for alice!

[primal kestrel]

No jane

[gusty kestrel]

One for piper and one for alice!

[mystic pond]

Yea

[mystic pond]

LMFAO MC ON THE ZIPLINE

[novel sluice]

i should set the duo ziplines later to travel between gather spots

gonna save my life having to only two tap lines once a day when gather spots are full

[mystic pond]

My current team

Shields and healing

[wraith karma]

Chen doesn't have much synergy, but good enough

[mystic pond]

1. Synergy doesn’t matter at this point
2. She does alot of damage

[wraith karma]

That's why i said good enough lol

Also chen is cute

[novel sluice]

unlocked what seems to be the equivalent of simulated universe

you get kicked out after the derangement caps

and you need to explore and pick up things to upgrade your exploration aid

aberrant valley is the name

[wraith karma]

I have my two teams that i swap between as i feel

They're both great

Im running out of mats though, too many characters being built

[split thorn]

@novel sluice @primal kestrel 5 pity....I found 10 cards in the mail....

[blazing plume]

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-minigun-comedy-anime-fuck-you-gif-14778256

[split thorn]

I still got 2 tickets

[novel sluice]

memes could never

[blazing plume]

Not if it’s Honkai impact!

[novel sluice]

ok SS HTR with no weapon

[blazing plume]

I think all my luck gets used up there

[blazing plume]

That proved my luck tbh

[novel sluice]

[blazing plume]

Also it’s been like four years since that happened

[split thorn]

that proves your lack of wisdom

yeah that aint happening rn