Rusty Jetpack buff

[chilly wedge]

Rusty Jetpack buff

[timid flax]

disagree, i dont think the first jetpack pickup has to be as good as a hopoo feather

i think its pretty good, even combos well with feathers

[nocturne sun]

I like jet pack

It makes jump dodging better

[chilly wedge]

I don't see why it shouldn't be though, it's an uncommon item which means you often don't get many stacks with to actually improve it. I get the point with jump dodging and the synergy but just on it's own it doesn't really warrant being a green honestly

A green item shouldn't have to rely on another item in order to work well

[nocturne sun]

Panic mines is an uncommon too

It’s called balance

[timid flax]

it doesnt rely on feathers, but i do think its a + for the item that it makes an S tier green even better

i can understand the rusty jetpack seeming underwhelming but i dont view it the same way

[chilly wedge]

Cause it is underwhelming, for mobility when it comes to jumps it's inferior to feather. Test it for yourself, you get less height from it, can't get as much distance, and you can't prevent fall damage with it.

[chilly wedge]

Panic mines is unique though, rusty jetpack has direct overlap with hopoo feather

[nocturne sun]

Huh

It makes you jump higher

[chilly wedge]

You could say the same with the leg items and panic mines, but both do very different things compared to rusty and hopoo

[nocturne sun]

Feather or no

The extra jump is nice

[timid flax]

the jetpack is just not an item im upset to see right now, i agree that hopoo feather is better but im a fan of both

[chilly wedge]

I get the use of the jetpack, and I'm not asking to fully rework it, just a minor bump to make it actually feel more impactful when you first get it

Just something like removing fall damage while you have it or make it reduce the player's gravity just a bit more

[timid flax]

idk how fall damage works, it may or may not reduce fall damage by reducing gravity

fall damage remover in a single green item kind of makes a joke of the mechanic

[chilly wedge]

Yea but you'd need multiple stacks for it to do that right now I imagine

[chilly wedge]

Hopoo feather does that though

[timid flax]

no it doesnt you play around fall damage in an interesting way with feather

[nocturne sun]

It costs your double jump lol

If you do that

[timid flax]

if rusty jetpack removed fall damage then you would lose this dynamic instantly

[timid flax]

it reduces gravity on the first stack

[chilly wedge]

But it still lets you negate fall damage.

[nocturne sun]

eh lots of things do

Not wild

[chilly wedge]

I don't think you understood what I said

[timid flax]

u think the decrease wouldnt be significant?

[chilly wedge]

Only 2 items, hopoo feather and the proton jetpack

[nocturne sun]

Also power creep

[timid flax]

and abilities

[nocturne sun]

You can’t buff every green that’s not as good as feather

[nocturne sun]

I meant abilities

[chilly wedge]

Hence why I specified items

[chilly wedge]

I'm talking about only rusty jetpack, as it's an item dedicated to improving your jump mobility like hopoo feather

[timid flax]

rusty jetpack already does 2 things, hopoo feather is just so goated that anything looks underwhelming in comparison, when it really comes down to it im happy to see either of these items drop because in both cases i get to jump higher

ur right to identify that they are comparable and that feather is better, but i think the disparity is fine

[nocturne sun]

!!!

[timid flax]

idk what power creep means in this instance

is it like the accumulation of mobility items

[nocturne sun]

Buffing everything small amounts

Like

If something is weak

Then buff it

But then the game is imbalanced

Jet pack doesn’t need to be as good as feather

[boreal scroll]

rusty + hopoo is better than either one alone imo

[chilly wedge]

I already deleted the post, If I'm in the minority with my opinion then it doesn't really matter. I still don't feel like it's good as a green item but it won't really change if everyone else thinks it's fine

[nocturne sun]

Could’ve explained that better

[boreal scroll]

hopoo is better for 2 stacks but then it's better to add a rusty on top as opposed to a third hopoo imo

haven't actually tested the numbers with that personally, but it feels pretty close to that

[nocturne sun]

depends who your playing

[chilly wedge]

I'm not someone to keep arguing about a change when it's clear that my opinion is the minority cause I know it's fruitless

[boreal scroll]

no rusty makes hopoo feel crap

[nocturne sun]

as merc I would take 2 feathers as staying above ground level is preferable

For longer

[boreal scroll]

but getting like 4 rustys and no hopoo is sadge

as it feels it only shines IF you also have hopoos

[chilly wedge]

That's what I was saying. I know it has synergy but on it's own it just doesn't feel great

[boreal scroll]

I'll agree with that

[nocturne sun]

But the thing is that’s not an issue

[boreal scroll]

but I also agree with others in that it doesn't have to feel great alone

[nocturne sun]

It’s fine that way

[boreal scroll]

hopoo feather is more the exception

[chilly wedge]

I don't agree but it's not like my stance matters much when it's the minority anyways

[boreal scroll]

you get a hopoo and you're popping off

compared to most other greens

hell even if I needed something else I'd hapilly take a hopoo over it

[chilly wedge]

Hence why I deleted my original post

[boreal scroll]

I don't feel like deleting it is right though, giving up is one thing, but having your opinion open for people to see I feel is good

maybe it gets seen and thought "hey we could do a TINY thing to that I guess"

or maybe nothing happens

[chilly wedge]

But it's clear that most don't think it needs it, so the change won't happen

And I don't wanna draw more attention and arguments over it

[timid flax]

i didnt want you to delete your post but i think i contributed to that outcome

i forgot that being surrounded by opposition is actually a negative experience

if im gonna be active in a suggestions forum i should probably be more open minded to the suggestions lol

[chilly wedge]

Yea, like I said before, I would've been content with it getting a minor bump to make each individual rusty jetpack more impactful like 5 or 10% less gravity. But if people think it's perfectly fine just being weak then theres no real point advocating for a buff

[boreal scroll]

I mean that is probably the one thing I think might actually work