#V.0.2 Prototype Laser Turrent's are ASS

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hexed merlin
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wait no 23rd item slot

uneven light
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i dont like timing it with tele because sometimes its the wrong boss and it just does nothing lol. thats skissue tho i should memorize which bosses spawn where. and ig even if it fails effective cooldown isnt that long since it ticks down during charge. also if we're posting laser monsoon wins ive got my first 2 serious runs of it on my channel which were somehow wins depsite my ass play (think i got good items idk) https://youtu.be/2vjfRT-vNTE?si=nA9B75k62pTZkpB3

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Risk of Rain Returns Gameplay
My Turrets Die a Lot, Engineer 2212 Monsoon Win

first real run with alt engi. hard to make the turret work on hordes, much easier against bosses, but it hits hard when it goes off. im finding that the mines dont do an amazing job of protecting it since it sends enemies the wrong way half the time. i think they're more useful for safely using the primary than anything else.

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its no commentary btw not baiting u into watching lets plays

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just raw gameplay

brazen tiger
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place turret and run vs place turret and hug the boss

uneven light
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yeah looking back they both had watch lmao

hardy path
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I can't wait for some random to go here and complain about laser turret

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And not realized we have taken this thread

hexed merlin
hexed merlin
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vagrants follow you in a straight line if you bait them properly and you can make them move up/down by going up/down elevation or jumping

vivid current
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Oh I wasn't aiming for a magma worm

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hexed merlin
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oh magma works are the other one speaking of which

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magma worms you have to start it a bit later or have cape/umbrella

uneven light
vivid current
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Yes I quit the other run because it was a guaranteed win

hexed merlin
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I mean if you are good enough to consistently win you can guarantee watch using the equipment chest after a win

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and chain-wins for free watch every start

vivid current
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He has no idea

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hexed merlin
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poor space doggo

vivid current
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Sucks to suck

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brazen tiger
vivid current
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Sucks to suck yet again

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vivid current
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I just wanna blast him with my prototype death cannon
I just wanna talk to him

hexed merlin
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sadly said friend has an explosive temper

vivid current
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lmao I used it to kill a blighted clay man

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With 0 distraction

hexed merlin
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but it's a bad ability trust

vivid current
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I just been placing it and walking away

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It's been working

brazen tiger
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i just imagined the clay man appearing like a youtuber and then immediately getting erased from existence painfully

vivid current
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Where does engineer get all this metal from

hexed merlin
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pocket molecular manufactory

brazen tiger
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you dont just materialize metal out of thin air

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unless he extracts the iron out of the blood of the enemies....

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which

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uhhhhhhhh

vivid current
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You'd need a lot of blood to pull that off

brazen tiger
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you kill a lot of enemies in this game

vivid current
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Anyway I'm hungry

hexed merlin
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that's a man that can do anything

brazen tiger
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he said "oh that beam drone is cool what if my turrets could do that but bigger and stronger"

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and hes still working out the kinks

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but he whipped those up pretty fast it seems

hexed merlin
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what if he had a lore accurate laser turret

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(almost blasted a hole through the whole cargo storage on contact light)

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and had to be stored separately and monitored

brazen tiger
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so
i recently read the logbook entry for spare drone parts in ror2
and im pretty sure it refers to the engineer from ror1

hexed merlin
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possibly

brazen tiger
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especially after reading the entry for engineer in returns

hexed merlin
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it does sound like him to make illegal weaponry for shit and giggles

brazen tiger
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less for shits and giggles but more he just cant help it

hexed merlin
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we don't know the reasoning afaik

brazen tiger
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his tinkering has a tendency to cause problems for everyone else
spoilers for logbook entry

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hardy path
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Based

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This is why he gets the almightly laser turret

uneven light
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imagining engi stuck to the door like a lego minifigure is so funny to me

hexed merlin
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it might be that he just does it because fun

brazen tiger
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i like to imagine the universe whispers its secrets to him and he just kind of makes things with an understanding like that of knowing how to walk

vivid current
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He has the voices

brazen tiger
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"where do you come up with all these ideas?"
"I dunno man i just look at a piece of machinery and think it could be a bit more... yknow blasty"

vivid current
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Except they're useful

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What if instead of a gun
I just put a laser on it
And cranked it

brazen tiger
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the voices tell him to make lots of weapons
the storm is coming one day
and he'll need them

heavy lintel
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hes prepare for ombie apolcalupe

brazen tiger
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he convinces himself thats not it but thats totally it

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its ridiculous

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theres no possible way he'll ever need this much firepower
but hes compelled to make it

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"does he know?"

vivid current
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Clearly his paranoia paid off

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If it is paranoia

brazen tiger
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the dude is the kind of person to look at a leaky faucet, fix it without a thought and add a motion sensitive security scanner to it as well

vivid current
brazen tiger
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engineer takes "if it aint broke dont fix it" and turns it into "if it breaks it wasnt good enough"

vivid current
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I mean laser turret is made to break

brazen tiger
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no its a prototype

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hes still working on it

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but he noticed the beam drones were good

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but they could be better

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thats what hes trying to make

vivid current
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I think he just knows why it's breaking
But doesn't wanna fix it

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The only fix is to make it less powerful

brazen tiger
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thats also possible

vivid current
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It's supposed to be a prototype
But then it just kinda
sat there

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And he kept using it anyway

brazen tiger
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gotta test it somehow

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and given the situation its working

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he can figure out how to stabilize it when he has actual time

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for now he fights for his life

vivid current
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To maintain that you'd need a lot more than what's packed in that turret

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It looks big
But to maintain it it'd need to be 4x bigger

brazen tiger
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yeah

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he'll figure something out

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and i think you're probably right
he amps it to 20 for a big fucking blast like someone mixing a bunch of stuff together to create an explosive substance
its supposed to effectively just be a MASSIVE discharge

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so my statement earlier wasnt entirely accurate

vivid current
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If anything he should be leaning into it breaking at this point
And figuring out how to make it charge faster or have a bigger payout

brazen tiger
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it probably is as good as it gets

vivid current
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Create the BFG 90000

brazen tiger
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he probably couldve made the preon accumulator huh

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he takes thing and he makes it 20x more useful

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in whatever way he needs

potent pier
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Hmmm, I tend to have an easier time keeping auto turrets alive than I do the laser turret, what are some of you doing differently to keep it alive so it fires more often?

vivid current
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This is a turret you have to keep alive for 9 seconds
Usually you can just place them and it doesn't really matter if they die in 6 seconds
So you have to plan out using it a bit more
Alt mines also do a good job at keeping things off it

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You can just spam mines and place it in the center and it'll get the job done more often than not

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With a little bit of
Enemy encouragement on your part

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It's also a really good idea to place it at the edges of platforms so you can walk up and soak all the aggro for it

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And then everything dies

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Or gets pretty damn close

peak basalt
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People who thinks this turret is good might just be delusional

potent pier
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okay so I basically treated it like how I treat normal turrets and had way more success than usual with it, got lucky and got prohpet's cape and scepter, kind of popped off

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shame to say I have no idea how good topaz brooch is with it because prophet's cape was doing all of the work keeping it up

vivid current
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You should be using the alt mines with it

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The alt mines do about as much damage anyway because they explode 3 times

potent pier
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Yea, but I ran into an issue where they would basically eat all of their charges really quickly and I couldnt spread them out as much?

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You do technically get 3 more mines per backup mag though vs the 1

vivid current
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If that happens your turret was fucked anyway

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It just buys some time
But it's not going to make the turret fire guaranteed

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Just not the time to use it

potent pier
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Im sometimes just walking to the location I want to use it while placing mines or judt placing them as I keep things off of it while it fires towards the thing I want dead

vivid current
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Basically how you do it
You still have to be a pretty good distraction if there's a lot of enemies because movement speed is a bitch

potent pier
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Im maybe not using the push mines correcting to properly keep the turret safe or in general but I just prefer the default

vivid current
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If you place the mine and it immediately goes off you're doing it wrong

potent pier
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I had a good run where I managed to get it to fire more often than not!

vivid current
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On the flipside
You can spam default mines around it and just fucking kill whatever tries to touch it

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Really long cd though

potent pier
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Basically what I did, haha

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I did get an alien head and damn, mines come back fast with that

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I think ror1 stock skills were bugged pretty badly?

vivid current
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Individual mines will but you need a pretty big stockpile to be able to kill enough for laser turret to fire

potent pier
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Like I remember mines taking forever and I dont think cdr actually worked past the first mine

vivid current
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They took 9 years to come off cooldown yeah

shut mica
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my take is that the alt turret is a sidegrade and shouldn't be as reliable as stock turrets

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i like it how it is

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its like ror2 captain's diablo strike
its difficult to use but when it works, it WORKS

vivid current
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It's a bit more reliable than diablo strike but yeah

shut mica
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you shouldn't rely on it always firing
you can place it down as bait too, getting free DPS on the enemies that go for it. and if they choose to go for you instead? big boy gets to BLAST and kill everything

vivid current
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My favorite part about the description of diablo strike is it opens with stunning

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Why do you even bother
To make it stunning

shut mica
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to be fair if you got slammed in the head with an orbital nuke and somehow lived, you'd probably be stunned a bit, right? lol anyway

heavy lintel
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because anything that survives gets stunned

shut mica
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compared to default turrets 45 sec

vivid current
shut mica
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which can be agonising waiting for them to recharge so you can actually do anything

vivid current
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Albeit hitstun is done on a per enemy basis

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I love how some need 10% and others need 50%

heavy lintel
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funny how the only things that survive diablo are bosses

shut mica
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why are we talking about diablo in here i didnt wanna make this diablo chat

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we're talking about funny turret that fires its lazer

vivid current
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Funny laser

heavy lintel
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i❤️laser turret i hope that if they do change it they dont nerf damage at all

shut mica
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damage is definitely fine the way it is

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i wouldn't mind a bit of QoL/tuning if the devs feel its necessary

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but i think its ok in its current state

heavy lintel
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when it works its literally a free win button for tp

shut mica
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it literally does comparable if not more damage than the nuke usb

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and its FREE

vivid current
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Access codes do 40% max hp damage

shut mica
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i know

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i guess not literally

vivid current
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It'd be real funny
If the engi turrets did %hp damage

shut mica
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but on rainstorm in the first 5 stages in the run i did, they chunked hard

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i ended up looping and got fucked
but thats a skill issue on my part

potent pier
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Fun fact! Ror2 parents and lunar wisps cant be stunned (nor can any boss in the game)

wicked iron
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Although, mithrix can be frozen. Can also permanently keep him that way

rough harbor
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laser turrets + umbrella seems busted as heck shooting for atmost 15 seconds straight

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if placed before charging the tp

hexed sage
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umbrella is just like the most op item

hexed merlin
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idea for a laser turret change that's actually make sense: shorter charge time/less self-damage dealt (so longer firing time) for the 0.5 turret

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also buff auto turret's mk2 turrets to deal a bit more dmg

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I mean it makes no sense the new version of the prototype is that there is 2 of them

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make it slightly newer

vivid current
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I said 9 because it's not like you can scrape to 8 seconds on 1 hp and have everything be hunky dory

hexed merlin
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that's fair

hardy path
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Laser turret haters when they have to put effort into the skill that insta kills most enemies:

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hexed merlin
stuck sluice
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Or, get this, Stack like +10 scarfs and a few capes so your turret has an extended firing time

spice hearth
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hey just get lucky and get 10 of this specific item and a couple of this other specific item

potent pier
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Getting an umbrella is very funny for this thing

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Literally nothing it wont melt under those conditions

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Its like throwing something directly into the sun

cursive lichen
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A skill that "needs" items to be viable in generic scenarios that the player will constantly be put in does not make it a good skill

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And this is very different from putting "effort" into using the skill

heavy lintel
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laser turret doesnt really need items to function

brazen tiger
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i think theyre more just saying that its not a good argument in favor of it

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not that its bad bc it needs items

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which it doesnt

hexed merlin
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if anything auto turret needs items more

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while laser turret is easier to kill it in fact doesn't rely on items to do dmg

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while auto turret without items hits like a wet noodle

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it's just an inherent engie thing though that turrets always relied on items to be useful since their whole thing is inheritting items

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but people exaggerate how many specific items you need on laser turret for it to be op, and even without good item rng it's still good and usable

hardy path
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I'm necroing this thread

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I will not let the laser turret connoisseur hangout be gone

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Laser turrets are awesome

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I have donated most of my possessions to them I'm homeless now but blessed

surreal trench
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if only I could unlock them

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finding a beam drone is annoying

fair drift
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@surreal trench after 30-40 on contact light

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High chance of spawning

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I meant minutes

hexed merlin
wicked iron
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i think the issue is that laser turrets will all spawn on one stage it feels and if thats not enough to get the beam drone they dont seem to spawn again

surreal trench
hexed merlin
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Laser drones and rexyclees can spawn at any point

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But in my experience laser drones seem more common on magma barracks and sunken

wicked iron
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ya, but it really does feel like that they only spawn on one stage per run

hexed merlin
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And recyclers seem to have a higher budget on temple I think

wicked iron
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i find recyclers all the time

hexed merlin
wicked iron
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i have not looped going for drones so i cant say anything about that

hexed merlin
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Well it's one of these challenges that require insane RNG or to simply loop

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Like killing an overloading magma worm

wicked iron
hexed merlin
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I guessss

hardy path
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Laser Turret win jumpscare

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fair drift
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Cheater

stuck sluice
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how'd he cheat tho?

rapid hemlock
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Me after winning on monsoon with laser turret (in order for an ability to be bad it must be so inconceivably horrible in every respect that winning with it is fundamentally impossible, therefore it is a good ability (99% of my damage in the run was from my harpoons))

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hexed merlin
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Just say you don't know how to use it efficiently, it's not hard to admit

heavy lintel
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"99% of my damage was from harpoons" this is a lie

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Even if it goes off ONCE it deals like 5% of the run's damage

hexed merlin
rapid hemlock
heavy lintel
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Proportionately. Also it's really easy to get off in the Providence fight

hexed merlin
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Which is where engi suffers the most dmg fall off

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Which means it's useful for the only thing engi loses time on usually

heavy lintel
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People who say it's insanely difficult to get off during the TP due to enemy spawns seem to forget you can place it early then wait and activate TP when it's like 3/4 charged

rapid hemlock
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Listen, I think laser turret is a really unique and funny ability and I don’t even necessarily think it’s needs a buff (although I wouldn’t be opposed to it), but saying it’s actually good is like an incalculable amount of cope

hexed merlin
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That or wait for tp event to end then place one when enemies stop spawning and nuke everything

heavy lintel
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I nuked 5 TP events and Provi in one run easy

hexed merlin
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Which you'll lose 8 seconds before being able to go next stage at worst

hexed merlin
heavy lintel
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RoR players when they're faced with the choice of never using an ability that has a higher skill floor and complaining about it or actually learning the ability

hexed merlin
rapid hemlock
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Nah it’s the opposite of Arti sun, Arti sun is a powerful ability that sucks to use. Laser turret is a really bad ability that is fun and unique.

hexed merlin
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Unacceptable

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Killing everything that stands in a 10 mile radius in front of it is bad

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True

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I forgot that's how that works

heavy lintel
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True

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I have to wait 8 seconds that's too long (Shockwave mines don't exist)

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(Nor does kiting enemies)

hexed merlin
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Nor to 20% of the items and like 40% of equipments that help its consistency

rapid hemlock
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Correct yes, the 1/10 time it goes off it will do about as much damage as I would’ve if I just had my normal abilities instead. Very good.

hexed merlin
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Even if you're bad at using it

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1/10

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Just say you've skill issue

heavy lintel
hexed merlin
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It should be at least 4/10

rapid hemlock
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It literally doesn’t one shot bosses on stage 1

hexed merlin
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And the 6 other times you place it down because you've fire shield and want to distract/nuke some elites tailing you

heavy lintel
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imma test

hexed merlin
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What?

hexed merlin
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Atp

rapid hemlock
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Ok 4/10, 45% instead of 99%. I’m sorry y’all hate hyperbole to make a point.

hexed merlin
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Also trying to loop without laser turret is so bad

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Normal turret falls off so hard at loop 1-2 without having a shit ton of fire shield

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Whereas laser turret scaling keeps it relevant as long it gets to fire even once every few placements

hexed merlin
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Which you can deal with 1 volleys of nades or 1 of harpoons

heavy lintel
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Nope, it one-shots bosses

hexed merlin
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There you go

heavy lintel
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Stage 1, no items

rapid hemlock
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On monsoon?

heavy lintel
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Against a Vagrant

heavy lintel
hexed merlin
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Laser turret haters coping as ever

heavy lintel
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To be fair it's very hard to hit a Vagrant with it

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And a worm

hexed merlin
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Yeah these 2 can be tricky

heavy lintel
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And sometimes Lynx Totems if the area's 100% flat

hexed merlin
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But not impossible

hexed merlin
rapid hemlock
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Ok I guess it barely does enough if it takes no damage at all, normally it leaves them with like 10-20% hp

hexed merlin
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But leaves it with a sliver of hp

heavy lintel
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(The entire point of them 😭)

hexed merlin
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Don't say such nonsense

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Who actually plays into their kit and its abilities

rapid hemlock
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Literally it’s just not possible to complete protect them

hexed merlin
hexed merlin
rapid hemlock
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Which is what im talking about with the cope

hexed merlin
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If you've not whipping it out off-cooldown all the time

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And actually think how you use it then it is

rapid hemlock
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Y’all are literally just lying to yourselfs

hexed merlin
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Or have you considered that we use the ability better because we practiced playing around it

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:o

vivid current
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What practice

hexed merlin
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But no you're the god gamer of all time that uses all abilities best

rapid hemlock
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What do you do if spotters spawn

hexed merlin
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So therefore if you can't use it right no one can

rapid hemlock
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Explain your foolproof strategy

hexed merlin
rapid hemlock
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Against one single enemy

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Spitters

vivid current
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I just applied common sense and it worked

hexed merlin
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  1. enemies only spawn every dozen seconds so you can put it down a little after the modt recent enemy spawn when it's in a good position
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  1. it has like 1 or 2 screens of range
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And enemies spawn on you

vivid current
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Course
I have a lot of time in ror1 too
But still

hexed merlin
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So you can put it down then move away so enemies spawn outside of its aggro range but within its fire range

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And then you can also simply draw aggro

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It's really not rocket science

heavy lintel
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Ok lol at same level (level 1 player vs level 1 vagrant) you dont one-shot it

hexed merlin
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It's laser science

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🥁

heavy lintel
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At least idk. The turret was offscreen when it fired

rapid hemlock
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Ok, and if you can’t do that cuz you’re not on a flat surface

heavy lintel
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It might have taken some damage

rapid hemlock
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The majority of the fans

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Game*

hexed merlin
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Or you can draw aggro

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Time it with enemy spawns

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Literally never struggled with getting it to fire

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So idk what to tell you

rapid hemlock
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Again

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Like

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That’s just a lie

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Or we haven’t played the same game

hexed merlin
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💀

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Here you forgot this

rapid hemlock
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Look ok, I really like this game and it annoys me when people cope over bad abilities because they like to say skill issue

hexed merlin
rapid hemlock
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Idk what to tell you

hexed merlin
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It's like someone with senile person's reaction time saying parey is weak

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Because they never grt the timing down

vivid current
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What timing

hexed merlin
rapid hemlock
hexed merlin
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When said abilities delete everything

vivid current
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The parry's like always active after you let the button go until the swing happens

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And the swing stuns

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You can just jump and push the button and it'll either work or not get you killed

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It is unironically harder to use when there's less enemies

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Just because it's less likely you actually get hit

rapid hemlock
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But saying it deletes everything is irrelevant if getting it to consistently hit anything is insanely difficult, and ability that instantly wins the game but only works 1/1000000 times would suck

hexed merlin
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But it's not difficult

rapid hemlock
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But you would defend it as “yeah a free win is bad I guess lol, skill issue”

vivid current
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I can do it almost every teleporter

hexed merlin
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Not every ability has to be like commando shot gun blast where it's super easy to use and simple

vivid current
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And the times where it doesn't work out
Default turrets wouldn't have helped either anyway

rapid hemlock
hexed merlin
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Skill issue

rapid hemlock
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But when you explain how to get it to fire you’re like “in this very specific set of circumstances that you have no control over it then you can always fire it lol.”

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And again I reiterate, that to use this ability you have to give up 2 of engis strongest abilities

hexed merlin
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It's not specific

rapid hemlock
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Mainly his mines

vivid current
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You just place the turret and wait a few seconds
It's not very hard

hexed merlin
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Base turret is not strong

hexed merlin
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The only times it doesn't fire is when I put it down while running around and looting and know full well it won't fire and just placed it to proc something

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Other than that it's genuinely not hard if you understand the game

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Enemies can't spawn too close apart (time wise) because of how director credits work

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So you can play around that

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Terrain? Like leading enemies around is impossible??

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Plus you only need the extra oomf for bosses any ways which will in most cases me on flat enough surface

rapid hemlock
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Leading every enemy around, without any of them targeting he turret, and without leaving the turrets fire zone, and without dying are taking a huge amount of damage yourself is basically impossible yes

hexed merlin
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Ofc if you try to fire it without any of its items in a small claustrophobic space with 10 other enemies, it'll die

rapid hemlock
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You can’t just said “kiting enemies is easy lol”

hexed merlin
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Shocker

heavy lintel
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on to stage 4

hexed merlin
rapid hemlock
# heavy lintel on to stage 4

“Me after winning on monsoon with laser turret (in order for an ability to be bad it must be so inconceivably horrible in every respect that winning with it is fundamentally impossible, therefore it is a good ability (99% of my damage in the run was from my harpoons))”

rapid hemlock
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The words you says do not align with reality

hexed merlin
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Maybe I am, just leagues better at utilising my tools

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What being a laser turret engi main does to a person

heavy lintel
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ok laser turret might not work on this stage

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forgot to put on command for no items lol

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Yeahhhhhh I died

hexed merlin
heavy lintel
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I just forgot to put on command for itemless

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so i picked the items up by walking into them

hexed merlin
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Fair

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Stage 4 itemless is still good

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Or well, with minimum items

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Especially for a "bad ability"

rapid hemlock
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Listen, I’ve explained that just saying “I can survive with it” doesn’t matter, saying “but it does a lot of damage” without any other context doesn’t matter

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Like I said earlier, I don’t even dislike laser turret

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I just think you guys live a fantasy dimension to call it good

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That’s all

hexed merlin
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And I think you're bad at using it if you call it bad

rapid hemlock
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I do appreciate you genuinely engaging with me and discussing

rapid hemlock
hexed merlin
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The first run I unlocked it I thought it was as stupidly op as cyclone

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Since changed my mind

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It's not as op

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But it's very good

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I'd never take auto turrets over it

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Playing auto turrets engi made me dislike playing engi in rorr

rapid hemlock
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What primary do you take, out of curiosity

hexed merlin
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And I've always mained engi

hexed merlin
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I don't like abilities with a dead zone like mortar

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Which is a skill issue on my part probably

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But it's more convenient for me to use nades for their consistent dmg over mortar

rapid hemlock
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I found nades to be a lot better with laser but I typically prefer mortar, that’s why I asked

vivid current
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I take the mortar because it moves a bit faster and controls more conventionally
It also has a bit more damage but honestly not enough to consider

hexed merlin
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Both primaries are about the same dps output

vivid current
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You can also walk up point blank

hexed merlin
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So it's mostly preference

vivid current
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And it'll work to negate the dead zone

hexed merlin
vivid current
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You have no clue how much I hate you referring to those enemies as shortstacks

hexed merlin
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:)

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In my defence, it ws really funny in my head

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And the reaction makes it funnier

heavy lintel
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nvm lynx totems are easy just place the turret on top of its walls

vivid current
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Fun fact
If you never move you can float on air after the lynx totem block goes away

heavy lintel
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lol

vivid current
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Collision was probably optimized too much

hardy path
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What happened now?

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Laser turret fighting never gets old

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Why must the fun always happen without me?

hexed merlin
hardy path
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Well they're right

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Laser turrets are pretty bad

wicked iron
hexed merlin
hardy path
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You're coping if you think laser turrets aren't complete dog shit

cursive lichen
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^

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Anyone can respect that certain abilities can require skill and time to master but laser turrets are straight up tedious to use

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And nobody cares if you are part of the mere 3% of the community that can make them work

hardy path
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(He doesn't know)

hexed merlin
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lol

cursive lichen
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(bold of you to assume i havent used laser turrets)

humble horizon
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Guys these turrets are just diablo
They’re not supposed to be good lol, they’re supposed to be funny

heavy lintel
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'cept it's a 2D game and most enemies can't fly

wicked iron
cursive lichen
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ive seen what hes said before and my point will still stand

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whether hes gonna troll or not i couldnt care less

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but ty for explaining anyways

torpid gull
uneven light
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instead of fixing this they should add a sprite for it being on the wall and make it a feature lol

rapid hemlock
limpid shore
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diablo is literally one of the strongest/best abilities in ror2 tho...

humble horizon
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It’s a meme but it sucks

limpid shore
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if you're referring to diablo, it doesn't suck. It's unironically the choice for captain eclipse 8 speedruns.
if the engi turret, yeah, it smells.
I'm just trying to say that the laser turrets are wayyy behind diablo.

rapid hemlock
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I agree Diablo is better and funnier than the laser turret but I still think Diablo is a pretty bad ability, obviously it would be good for speedruns because speedruns don’t care about consistency

limpid shore
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👀 captain is consistent without his utility (look up captain tech/shock beacons if curious) so it doesnt matter if one is more consistent than the other, I did my e8 with diablo. But this is all ror2 stuff, I'll leave this talk here.

I also have 0 experience w/laser turrets as I was busy with other chars, so I'll prob just leave this topic. What I do know is that its' reputation is not great.

hardy path
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It has come to my attention there has been slanderous misinformation of me defending laser turrets

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These horrible allegations are entirely false

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Don't believe random strangers on discord

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Except me of course :)

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Laser turrets are probably the worst ability in the game

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Except maybe merc parry that one sucks too

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It doesn't have any mobility and the parry only hits once compared to whirlwind

heavy lintel
heavy lintel
shut mica
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stock secondary just feels fucking lame
and the alt util makes up for any lost mobility

hardy path
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Whirlwind hits twice

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So it does twice the damage

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And has a shorter cooldown

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Parry can also fail while whirlwind will always hit

scenic forge
shut mica
hardy path
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Whirlwind does 80% special damage

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Which is roughly 5000% base damage

shut mica
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i haven't messed with whirlwind too much but like the parry hard carries monsoon
its ridiculous

hardy path
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So it hits for 4000% twice

shut mica
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oh you're one of those

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right then

hardy path
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One of those what?

shut mica
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people that give me a fucking aneurysm

vivid current
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Blud is buried under countless layers of irony

hardy path
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Whirlwind does 8000% damage

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On a 2 sec cooldown

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Maybe you should actually try it before you judge it

hexed merlin
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^

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Whirlwind has the highest dmg out of any ability in the game if you use it right

cursive lichen
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risk of rain returns players when they're bored and try to make invalid arguments because "its funny" (they dont have a life outside of discord):

hardy path
hexed merlin
cursive lichen
cursive lichen
hardy path
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Also you made a pretty bad argument about laser turrets which can't be backed up

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You're not above us

uneven light
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actually he is, given the way the chat scrolls happiesttroll

cursive lichen
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does that mean you not knowing the difference between something that is tedious to use vs something that actually takes time to master makes you above me

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you could literally compare the dark souls parry mechanic skill ceiling to the use of this laser turret and any normal person would agree that learning to parry in dark souls is actually the correct way to make something difficult to use

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stop acting like you genuinely know shit about mechanics

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and anyways you got ratio'd by this entire thread so have fun my guy

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👍

hardy path
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Dude I only got insulted here either when I was purposefully being wrong on by dumbass laser turret haters don't want to put effort into the game to insta bosses

cursive lichen
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bro nobody said that they want it to be braindead easy to use

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i dont want it to be that way either

hardy path
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And are you seriously saying normal people think laser turrets are making the game harder?

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The dude who made the thread said it should be a 3 second charge with 65%-75% damage

cursive lichen
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and thats it?

hardy path
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Wdym That's it?

cursive lichen
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no changes to firerate?

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or

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health?

hardy path
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That's a free win right there

cursive lichen
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like yeah i can understand that people can sometimes make bad suggestions

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but come on

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you've gotta atleast be able to draw the line between something thats not actually practical

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like sure if you get it to work thats great

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but i wouldnt assume that everyone should spend x amount of hours trying to get one thing right in a game with multiple and endless possibilities

hardy path
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Laser turret is high risk high reward

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If you want to place down a turret and immediately kill some enemies use auto

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Same applies to other skills like sun

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It can be rewarding to use nd has huge potential but flamethrower is simpler if you don't want to put effort

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Not everything in this game needs to have you press a button and enemies take damage

cursive lichen
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i agree with that

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but i also think that a lot of people here want each skill to be on the same level of difficulty to use

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as that actually encourages people to play all characters

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and not just the meta

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the difference in difficulty between using auto turrets and laser turrets is so marginally large that 90% of people that have played engineer will say that auto turrets outclass laser turrets

hardy path
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Sucks to be them

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If they don't want to put effort I'm not going to force them

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And the laser turret achievement sucks to get

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On steam 50.5% of players have engineer and 6.9% of players have laser turrets

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That's roughly 14 percent of people who have engineer

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The people who went through the effort of the horrible laser turret achievement have hopefully played enough to try to make laser turrets work

cursive lichen
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its funny cause it took my friend 3 hours of looping and for me it was 25 mins

hardy path
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It took me 80 minutes

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Both sides can at least agree that achievement sucks

cursive lichen
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indeed

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it does

heavy lintel
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I love discord arguments

uneven light
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i love the laser turret achievement

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just kidding it took me 2 hours

hexed sage
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drones shouldnt be biome locked

brazen tiger
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Laser turret or lazy turret

hexed merlin
# cursive lichen the difference in difficulty between using auto turrets and laser turrets is so ...

As I've said, before I bothered with the awful laser turret achievement I was already spamming engi and I felt like all the issues with laser turret apply to auto too:

  • dies super easy without babysit
  • doesn't do much dmg (laser does a ludicrous amount but has to fire auto just never does unless with fire shield)
  • auto dies to 1-2 enemies tickling it (and same for laser) if it gets touched at stage 4-5 or in 1st loop unless you have goated defensive items
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But hated using auto turret personally as it feels like putting down mini stationary commando primary attck that omly periodically fires for meh dmg

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And to me engi doesn't lack consistent dmg, what he doesn't really have is burst for situations when your item scaling isn't too good and that's where laser turret picks up the slack

cursive lichen
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The moment I unlocked laser turrets and read the description and then went to try them out, I immediately understood what you need to do to make them work more consistently

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And I do agree that both turrets share flaws and require you to babysit them

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But from my perspective, auto can already start defending itself as it can already start dealing damage when you need it to, which is why I find laser turret more impractical

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And dont get me wrong I'm still trying to figure out the laser turrets

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But I just think that both turrets should be viable and not outclass eachother in terms of how hard they are to use

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And I dont think that reworking the function of laser turrets is going to hurt that

rapid hemlock
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I don’t think laser turret needs a rework, if it needs anything it’s just a small push

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Let it go through walls, let’s it’s charge time scale with attack speed, even just buffing the repulsion mines a bit and leaving the turret alone would probably work

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Something to give me a reason to take it beyond the meme

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A rework could be interesting but I think it would be unnecessary and may mess with the turret too much and ruin it for the people who actually like it in its current state

cursive lichen
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yeah im open to anything at this point about laser turret suggestions

hardy path
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I think laser turret is mostly fine but the hitbox being inaccurate is stupid

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I would change the hitbox and maybe let it shoot through walls

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But shockwave mines are horrible

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That's an entirely different discussion

hexed sage
rapid hemlock
torpid gull
vivid current
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So if laser turrets went through terrain it'd let you get free turrets off on a bunch of monsters that aren't allowed to jump

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Holdover jank from ror1 wins again

hexed merlin
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I'd say charge time could scale with cooldown instead

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Like how I believe in ror2? The final boss benefits from cooldown items in the final phase on his pew pew attack

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A similar interaction with cooldown (a much rarer but not impossible to find) stat would be nice for charge time

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As for going through walls I feel it's need to have a max thickness it can penetrate before it's become op

modest tinsel
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(Back when I found purity to be a really hard unlock I decided to study his individual properties to understand what items he could or couldn't take advantage of so that I could make a build that completely countered the phase, I've since done it commandless, but I can't say the knowledge of what Mith can't take advantage of in that phase doesn't influence my item picks when given opportunities)

hexed sage
hexed merlin
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the scaliong would have to be really minimal for it to be balanced

hexed sage
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Also regarding charge time being effected by cooldown I think that could actually be pretty interesting but idk what the internal parts are for the turret

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Like if there was a sorta stock based system that let turret attack

rapid hemlock
hexed merlin
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I'd say 1 sec per 100% attack speed capping a 2 seconds charge time would be okay

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probably

rapid hemlock
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That’s basically what I was thinking

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And maybe a minimum charge of like 2-4 seconds

modest tinsel
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What I wish I could do with prototype laser is being able to reposition the laser via picking it up

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Can't charge or fire while in this state, but can toss the turret to another position (maybe landing point of middle grenade from default m1)

heavy lintel
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revive the hate thread 🦾

wicked iron
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Mods, unalive the thread happiesttroll

cosmic atlas
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all u need is prophets cape, and a shit load of scarfs, and a few razors to keep it from getting damaged

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and make it op as hell

stiff dawn
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wait until this guy learns about shockwave mines

heavy lintel
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wait until this guy learns about either mine

noble hedge
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"the enemy that moves a lot is strong against the ability that needs an enemy to not move a lot"
Damn really