ror2-discussion

[cedar coral]

no way 😭

first we got the sonic survivor mod then we got goku and finally

[blissful torrent]

yea... someone made a mod that just makes every survivor fat

[pearl summit]

Is it morally reprehensible to cheat to get nemesis commando and merc

[cedar coral]

we struck the pot of gold

[pearl summit]

Even false son?

[cedar coral]

pfff nah

[cedar coral]

that would be providence disrespect

[blissful torrent]

no but you have to wink at the camera while you do

[blissful torrent]

idk i don't have the mod

[robust plume]

i think drifter counts as fat rep?

[pearl summit]

Lmao alright

Drifter just a chunky little baby

[blissful torrent]

drifter is trans rep, i don't think she's fat tho her coat is just really puffy

[robust plume]

Hi Mr. Gearbox sir i have some feedback regarding The Drifter from risk of rain 2

[worldly haven]

isn't bandolier an essential engineer item

[pearl summit]

Is drifter canonically trans or is that headcanon

Idk the lore

[pearl summit]

Not really no

[robust plume]

its canon but it was stated by a developer. not much of a place for it to be mentioned in game

[pearl summit]

Omg wait who said that

[robust plume]

what cooldowns are you gonna be resetting bro just put down the turret

[robust plume]

i dont know their name lol but it should be somewhere in this discord

[cedar coral]

who is the baddest survivor men and women

[pearl summit]

Damn

[cedar coral]

all answers besides acrid are valid because acrid is a good boy and I will not accept bad boy slander

[pearl summit]

Bandit is fineee

[robust plume]

you ever seen the captain beach skin mod?

[cedar coral]

this is true

[cedar coral]

no because I want to keep my heterosexuality

[golden linden]

not really a core item on anyone

[robust plume]

i resepect the honesty

[pearl summit]

👀

[blissful torrent]

creator of drifter iirc

[worldly haven]

the turret cooldowns incase i realize there's a better turret placement

[cedar coral]

if drifter is trans she still bad as hell

unpopular opinion

[robust plume]

anyways Loader, Arti and Drifter for the girlies and Captain for the boys

[golden linden]

huntress the og girlie

no way you sidelining her

[robust plume]

huntress too but like

if they have to compete

it´s really tough man i can´t just include all of em

[golden linden]

why not

lmfao

[robust plume]

because the real answer is all of them but there´s gotta be some sort of ranking

[blissful torrent]

what if instead of drifter it was the driftinator and she was made by heinz doofenschmirtz

[pearl summit]

That's awesome

[worldly haven]

wtf???

[robust plume]

word of the author confirmed, transphobia in shambles

[golden linden]

I wouldn't put bad bitches against each other

[worldly haven]

the titans instantly killed me and my turrets

[cedar coral]

yup

[robust plume]

there are a couple objectively correct ways to put bad bitches against each other but due to discord server rules i´m advised not to elaborate

[cedar coral]

commando is so HOT though

[golden linden]

stand about and find out

[cedar coral]

and engineer

[blissful torrent]

engineer flight dlc

[pearl summit]

Commando🤤

[cedar coral]

if i was gay tho bandit wouldnt be my type but he is attractive

[worldly haven]

the hottest character is elder lemurian

[robust plume]

commando is probably pretty hot under that suit yea

[cedar coral]

this dude is just reading my mind and typing out the results

[cedar coral]

what about blazing elder lemurian

[robust plume]

this isn´t as wild of a take as you think it is

[cedar coral]

lol

[worldly haven]

i don't think it's a wild take

i'm a furry, ofc i know ppl will be into lemurians

[robust plume]

acrid:

[worldly haven]

gemurian

[blissful torrent]

what about blazing elder lemurian with ignition tank

[pearl summit]

Maybe we are the same person

[cedar coral]

maybe...

[cedar coral]

make that two ignition tanks

wait

[blissful torrent]

what about blazing magma worm tho

[cedar coral]

a blazing elder lemurian with two ignition tanks under the effects of runald's, gasoline and helfire tincture in the same area as a magma worm

[blissful torrent]

(ik magma worms can't be elites but still)

[knotty canyon]

please go be horny about video game characters somewhere that's not here in a public space

[quasi lance]

Killed the list

[cedar coral]

aw man

[upper wing]

nermal in public

[cedar coral]

can we at least say which ones we'd date

[blissful torrent]

i would love to go to dinner with drifter she seems like she'd bring awesome snacks and we could compare random junk collections

[sage python]

i would date the personalityless hired arm number 5

lmao

[cedar coral]

id date drifter

[blissful torrent]

i would not because a) she is pixels on a screen and b) i have a girlfriend

but she seems like she'd be an awesome friend

[cedar coral]

you have a fair point sadly

[remote birch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1262890907015843951.gif?quality=lossless&name=1984&size=48
Wait fuck embed fail no sad ;-;

[cedar coral]

drifter definitely loves takis

[cedar coral]

LOL

[knotty canyon]

[robust plume]

wait what about overloading worm what happened to that

[sage python]

i do find it odd how people manage to make judgements like that from source material that has maybe a conversation at most

[blissful torrent]

overloading worm is a different enemy

[robust plume]

tf

[cedar coral]

overloading worm is a different species

[blissful torrent]

if it was an elite magma worm it would be overloading magma worm

[robust plume]

so not an elite

damn okay

[cedar coral]

lol

ok but we are ALL having the looongest conversation with false son right???

[sage python]

do we know this?

[quasi lance]

Bandit tho (coming from an aroace man)

[cedar coral]

hm

[cedar coral]

valid

[upper wing]

i just like commando i dont have anything to contribute to this conversation

[sage python]

same

[cedar coral]

insert invincible we all do comic panel

[quasi lance]

Bandit and Loader and Captain tho 💖

[cedar coral]

and drifter

[sage python]

they are pretty much all just occuptions, most of them specialialised in killing stuff

[blissful torrent]

i don't like commando because he's too op, crazy that the starting survivor is stronger than seeker...

[cedar coral]

and mando

[cedar coral]

absolutely wild

[fresh scarab]

you fool, it’s no longer your junk collection
anything that’s hers is hers and anything that’s yours is also hers
everything is hers

[quasi lance]

Bandit is freaky

[upper wing]

since when bro

[cedar coral]

on that topic how long do you think we could hold a convo with survivors

[quasi lance]

in my mind

[cedar coral]

can that tier list guy do a tier list on that

[quasi lance]

I CAN

[remote birch]

You can gauge someone's personality from far more than what they say. An example would be Link

If the survivors really did have no personality, then I'm pretty sure untitled risk of rain fighting game wouldn't exist

[cedar coral]

bet

[fresh scarab]

first we need to come up with baseline tiers

and then custom tiers come after if we decide it’s appropriate

[cedar coral]

if false son isnt at the top im going to find you and strap you to a chair in a room with nothing but mr hippo's ucn speech playing on a huge screen over and over

[robust plume]

HE´S ROTTEN GOLD

THAT´S SOLID FUCKING METAL

[cedar coral]

HE HAS A NICE VOICE

[sage python]

untitled fighting game makes up its own characterisations bcus the characters are largely blank slates

[cedar coral]

boy that voice is hoTT

watch the sots trailer youll know wim

[upper wing]

fs has the most personality of the survivors but thats most cuz of the boss -> playable survivor thing

[cedar coral]

and the voice.

[sage python]

id say captain beats him by a bit

[halcyon creek]

as much as i hate playing captain he looks super cool

[cedar coral]

dont forget the voice.

[remote birch]

What about Heretic

[sage python]

captain has a good few logs

[cedar coral]

isnt he the only survivor with an actual revealed voice

[halcyon creek]

i guess

unless you count the ror2 tiktok vids as canon

cause then operator has a voice too

[cedar coral]

nahhh those arent canon

I can imagine how all the survivors would speak

[halcyon creek]

drifter would be a 40 year old mom

[sage python]

chef does too

[halcyon creek]

def

[upper wing]

is this referring to the cut voice lines

[sage python]

they arent cut

[upper wing]

(thank god those were cut btw)

[upper wing]

what

what do they even sound like again

[golden linden]

alvin and the chipmunks

[cedar coral]

?

he has voice lines?

[iron palm]

Captain feels like a pretty generic old veteran character

False son has a proper character arc

[cedar coral]

I like to imagine shes a 20 year old bohemian

[upper wing]

istg at one point there were cut audio files for yes chef

[iron palm]

Voice acted chef would've been Hella cursed

[golden linden]

he still says yes chef

[iron palm]

Hell even the dialogue for the wandering chef in compex i think is odd

[golden linden]

it's just really muted

[quasi lance]

Oops

[iron palm]

What

[golden linden]

what what

[upper wing]

oh wow

[quasi lance]

There we go

[iron palm]

I never heard that

[cedar coral]

I think anyone would have a character arc after getting a talking to from their mom

[iron palm]

What is this

[quasi lance]

How long they can hold a convo

[cedar coral]

valid valid valid

[iron palm]

More like after watching their mom die trying to protect them

[cedar coral]

mercenary seems like a pretty interesting guy though

[iron palm]

But point still stands

He has a character arc

[quasi lance]

Merc and Huntress seem cold

[iron palm]

I actually felt bad for him after reading his survivor logbook entry

[harsh trout]

he's interesting but has 0 social skills probably

[cedar coral]

drifter and merc definitely have some stories to tell but huntress is definitely just a corporate drone doing it for the money with no personality

[remote birch]

The lack of context fascinates me

[cedar coral]

and engineer definitely just doesnt like being around other people

[quasi lance]

Drifter is too preoccupied

[iron palm]

Dm this to me so I can see it/listen to it when im home

Please

[quasi lance]

Based on convo length

[cedar coral]

that voice isnt that bad

[worldly haven]

i can't find the buttons in aqueduct

[iron palm]

I think for a lot of these characters it would depend what the convo is about

[cedar coral]

shit out of context that looks REALLY bad

[sage python]

it annoys me tho

[cedar coral]

well still valid but

[cedar coral]

fair

[iron palm]

Engi would probably yap up a storm if you asked him about his robotics

[cedar coral]

oh 100%

him and operator have that in common

[quasi lance]

Anything else tho...

[cedar coral]

and hes out cold or just ignoring you

[iron palm]

Mushroom based cuisine

[cedar coral]

maybe not anything else in that case

[sage python]

i wonder why they gave chef a voiceline

[worldly haven]

can't wait to get rid of engineer's mines, i have yet to find them useful

[sage python]

its a really odd inclusion

[sage python]

they have huge aoe

[cedar coral]

he seems like the easiest to do it for because he has a face and it doesnt have to be an actual human like voice

[iron palm]

Rare case of someone not saying m1 is his least useful ability

[sage python]

bubble shield:

[cedar coral]

bubble shield is so fucking useless

[quasi lance]

Pressure mines:

[sage python]

primary is pretty decent

[cedar coral]

m1s are at least viable on the first stage

[languid crystal]

bubble shield is for bums

[iron palm]

Bubble shield has a niche use with his playstyle in a vacuum

I dont think it's useless overall

[sage python]

yeah its not useless

[iron palm]

Its just useless bc harpoons are way better

[sage python]

its just not great

[cedar coral]

give engi an alt primary i beg

[worldly haven]

anyway uh

[languid crystal]

he lwk deserves one i agree

[cedar coral]

hes suffering here

[languid crystal]

im fine with his current m1 tho

[sage python]

what would an alt primary be like

[worldly haven]

any tips to find the buttons in aqueduct?

[languid crystal]

yes enlighten

[cedar coral]

command radar scanner

[languid crystal]

go on wiki and memorise the buttons

[quasi lance]

Make him turn his grenade guns into auto turrets

[cedar coral]

theyre the question marks

[iron palm]

I would be fine with an alt primary that does like literally 0 dps but let's him choose what his turrets target and maybe buffs them slightly
Basically Wrangler from tf2 but for ror2 engi

[remote birch]

He already has one, visions of heresy

[worldly haven]

hey're not in the places i've seen them before

[cedar coral]

this is a good point but visions is kinda shit without ruin

[sage python]

i think at that point you are kinda sidestepping his identity

[iron palm]

I dont take visions on engi

[cedar coral]

that would be really cool

[iron palm]

It nerfs his turrets

[quasi lance]

He IS the engineer

[iron palm]

And his base m1 is plenty serviceable if you know how to use it

[cedar coral]

do the turrets use visions??

[iron palm]

Obviously

[sage python]

could be cool

[remote birch]

It really is but turrets use it as well which is fun

[quasi lance]

He has his buildings fight for em

[cedar coral]

does it replace their normal fire

[quasi lance]

And his contraptions*TM

[fresh scarab]

the two modded alt primaries for Engi I’ve seen have both somehow felt worse than the default one

[cedar coral]

what were they like

[remote birch]

They use it until it runs out of bullets and then continue normal firing

[sage python]

was the ss2 ng laser one of them?

[iron palm]

Another alt m1 idea for engi would be give him tf2 engis wrench lmao
I.e. you stay close to your turrets and hit them to heavily buff them

[fresh scarab]

there’s Mortar Barrage, which is basically just his primary firing in a slower automatic instead of a burst

which is really cool
except you can’t angle it up or down

[cedar coral]

imo a primary that customises turret fire for the situation would be so delicious to use

[fresh scarab]

it just goes straight forward in an arc

[cedar coral]

it might even want me to play engi

[fresh scarab]

and then yeah the other is this

[sage python]

mortars could be cool if executed well

[iron palm]

Shrug

[quasi lance]

Id love engi alt primary to just be dependent on his turret primary, so if you have moving you get a long range laser and with normal turrets a low damage minigun

[fresh scarab]

I think customization is better

[quasi lance]

Or keep it consistent with base primary

[remote birch]

Giving something for engi to do besides clicking utility would be excellent regardless of what it is tbh

[sage python]

i so wish they were agile in rorr, originally they were designed around allowing you to backstep while shooting, but they made that a universal feature of most skills

so now its just kinda trinade but worse

[iron palm]

M1 and m2

[remote birch]

They may as well not exist

[fresh scarab]

the one aspect I like about the default primary is that it leans into what Engi is

[iron palm]

You are severely missing out on damage if you dont use them

[quasi lance]

An engineer

[fresh scarab]

Engi is about setting up attacks

[iron palm]

Especially burst damage with the m2

[fresh scarab]

and those attacks being quite effective considering

[iron palm]

By that logic might as well not use harpoons either and just let the turrets do literally everything

[fresh scarab]

so his primary fits very nicely with that theme

[quasi lance]

Have his grenade cannons shoot pipe grenades like demoman tf2

[cedar coral]

ooh another idea

[iron palm]

Gtg

[cedar coral]

cya pal

[cedar coral]

what if they made it so you could change turret fire

[sage python]

also its quasi-agile being a charge skill

[fresh scarab]

yeah

[cedar coral]

so like turrets could either shoot the normal way or charge their bullets and fire powerful but slower shots

[fresh scarab]

feels like I’d rather it just be its own turret

[worldly haven]

bands unlocked

also i think i'm an engineer main now

[fresh scarab]

have you unlocked any of his alts

[worldly haven]

no

but the bombs are fun to use

[fresh scarab]

the mines?

[worldly haven]

the bombs

[languid crystal]

the m1?

[nimble forge]

Guys is there any known mod that makes false son not spawn after first phase

[fresh scarab]

got it

[worldly haven]

primary

[nimble forge]

Bc im having some serius problems with that

[fresh scarab]

not that I know of, is this a repeating issue?

[gray jacinth]

good good

[nimble forge]

Yeah, 7th run and i cannot fight false son correctly

[worldly haven]

bandit was a phase, engi is the shit

bandit is my second main tho

[nimble forge]

I kill the first phase and he simply disappears

Also the arena doesnt change at all

Normaly when You kill a phase the arena starts falling, this doesnt happen

[fresh scarab]

if you have a bunch of mods, it might be a rare case of mods clashing

[vapid dagger]

i knew i wasnt crazy

[golden linden]

not that I know, I assume you are playing modded right?

[fresh scarab]

I’d recommend going to the modding sever and sending them your log

[nimble forge]

Yeah modded, with no mods that affect the false son fight

[vapid dagger]

they can spawn on the first stage

[nimble forge]

Thats why im concerned about this

[fresh scarab]

I’ve known for some time that they can spawn on Shattered Abodes, though I wonder if they can on any other stage 1

[vapid dagger]

ive seen them on distant roost too so i know that they can

[fresh scarab]

ok no Shattered Abodes is the only one

[golden linden]

maybe something bugged with current patch making them spawn on stage 1 distant roost for you

[fresh scarab]

well they tend to always obliterate

and you can get Overgrown Printers on looped roost

[golden linden]

I thought of that but can't really assume so

[worldly haven]

is 18 bungus enough for engi

[golden linden]

you're the best judge of that

[worldly haven]

let's make it 20

[nimble forge]

Theres never enough bungus

[golden linden]

level up?

you mean clear e1?

[arctic seal]

Yea

[golden linden]

cuz you're dying

[arctic seal]

I won e1 multiple times

[golden linden]

or that

you're on console right

[arctic seal]

Ye

[fresh idol]

console can't catch a break

[golden linden]

nothing you can do really then

[lone wraith]

are u going to mithrix

idk if its possible to obliterate

[golden linden]

it isn't

[lone wraith]

ok then that cant be messing it up lol

[cedar coral]

when false son says "this gilded thing is part of me"

[lone wraith]

i couldve sworn i obliterated once on eclipse when starting out and then i was confused why it didnt count

[cedar coral]

is that him mourning aurelionite

[lone wraith]

did my mind make up this entire memory

[fresh scarab]

I’d say recognizing, not mourning

[cedar coral]

did you have beads of fealty

[cedar coral]

I see

[fresh scarab]

when you defeat Aurelionite, she never actually dies

[cedar coral]

ohh ok

[fresh scarab]

you just pick her up like a pokeball

[cedar coral]

lol

[golden linden]

she's more like a fungus than like a rock thing

[ionic glacier]

oh really? i play on controller and i guess ive been aiming it wrong

[cedar coral]

two more false son related questions

[ionic glacier]

i thought it was like a trajectory thing

console ror 😔

[cedar coral]

when he says return your stolen power is that his interaction with another false son or is that just one of his lines

[fresh scarab]

just one of his lines

[cedar coral]

ahh

last question

[ionic glacier]

is there any lore backing to that or is he js yapping

[fresh scarab]

he has a special voiceline for a mirror match

[cedar coral]

ooh

[arctic seal]

https://tenor.com/view/gyro-gif-23890394

[cedar coral]

which one

I LOVE HOW HE SAYS VERMIN

[cedar coral]

he really is his fathers boy

[cedar coral]

oh thats crazy lmao

[ionic glacier]

false son as chief womanizer

[cedar coral]

lmao

[fresh scarab]

there are also exclusive Mithrix voicelines for Heretic, Aurelionite, and BOTH

[cedar coral]

I need to see all of them

[fresh scarab]

@golden linden you got me

[golden linden]

was checking for overgrown printers

[golden linden]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/False_Son_(Boss) would be easier to just send you this

[candid ridge]

el wiki

[fresh scarab]

Mithrix one

I’ll get the link

[golden linden]

NO I'M NOT

!paul

[spiral oar]

Paul sucks

[sage python]

we should ban omega

[fresh scarab]

there’s also Aurelionite and Heretic+Aurelionite

[fresh scarab]

the implications of the information we receive in AC is a lot

like what do you mean Petrichor V is filled with Soul

[golden linden]

I don't buy that

[sage python]

im not a huge fan of it ngl

[golden linden]

glass being glass fits perfectly with what it's proposition is

going through hoops to also make it soul doesn't add anything but assumptions

[worldly haven]

i just did better with friends and zero sum in 1 stage

[golden linden]

great job

[cedar coral]

wait mithrix knows providence is dead?

"share in your creator's fate, false idol"

the other creator is aurelionite but I doubt someone like mithrix would simply want to just lock false son away

[sage python]

i think the planet being special cause of what the brothers caused to is cooler than it being alive

[cedar coral]

ye

[sage python]

having soul just kinda removes mystique imo

[golden linden]

yeah, dunno the method tho

[cedar coral]

thats sad

[sage python]

its like, wow, the planet is alive

cool ig

[fresh scarab]

Providence didn’t make the False Son

[cedar coral]

so he finds out providence is dead a bit away from when he dies

[cedar coral]

technically he did

[golden linden]

he didn't

[cedar coral]

and aurelionite's fate was to be locked away in the coast which wouldnt make sense to do to fs

[somber void]

how much content am i missing out on without all the dlcs on scale from 1-10 and which one should i buy first

[golden linden]

that's why he's surprised when he sees auri on phase 4

he didn't know she was alive

[cedar coral]

buy seekers of the storm first imo

then alloyed collective then sotv

[sage python]

sometimes less is more

[golden linden]

the game is very much complete without them

sotv adds more to the main path

[fresh scarab]

Providence dies
planet inhabitants are aimless and unprotected
Lemurian worshippers of Aurelionite create statue resembling Providence
Aurelionite gives life to statue
Alloy Vultures following Mithrix corrupt statue
statue fucks up a bunch of shit
statue resides in the Prime Meridian

[golden linden]

and the other ones add side stuff

I'd recommend sotv first

[fresh scarab]

the statue fucking up a bunch of shit results in the stage Shattered Abodes

[cedar coral]

hah ik the lore behind him ofc i just meant it wouldn't make sense to lock false son away like aurelionite

why not just kill him

[fresh scarab]

because Mithrix is stupid

[cedar coral]

good point

[fresh scarab]

a million years and he still could never understand his brother

[golden linden]

he prolly didn't know she was still around

[cedar coral]

oh damn

[fresh scarab]

Aurelionite is one of, if not the oldest construct that the brothers made

Mithrix likely believed with the amount of Soul she was infused with, Aurelionite would never survive such a long time being so unstable

regardless, Mithrix does not know Providence is dead until the end of his own life

it’s one of the very last things he says

[terse ferry]

the cardian

[somber void]

what are the best common items for artificer?

[fresh scarab]

Arti doesn’t have a lot of consistent mobility, so and are especially good pickups

it’s harder to stack bleed with Arti, so is really the only damage item that isn’t super good on her

[woeful python]

crowbars

2 crowbars can save ur entire run lowkey

I honestly forget how good crowbar is till i dont have it and die to 1 million wisps and blind pests

[woeful python]

HOWEVER with that being said getting noxious thorn is still incredibly important

Bleed itself isnt that great but the ability to send ur fire debuffs to other people is insane

[fresh scarab]

this is true, especially since Noxious Thorn resets debuff timer

and Arti will never run into the issue of the timer being reduced via low procco

[woeful python]

Noxious thorn basically acts as a bleed and mini gasoline all in one for arti its soooo busted

Honestly ever since sots ive been more inclined to play with flamethrower recently for that reason alone

Dont get me wrong its still the obvious worse option but flamethrower with noxious thorn might be one of the most deadly combos in the entire game

[plush gulch]

i already asked this in the past, but how much copium do you think it is to guarantee scrappers on stages via mods?

I find the agency more fun, i do not like being in the hands of RNG, despite the fact that I recognise that when you get unlucky players ought to compensate with skill at least partially

[pulsar dew]

why did thefucking ac guy steal my boots

[woeful python]

Major copium

[pulsar dew]

im gonna take so much fall damage now

[woeful python]

You should never rely on scrappers and printers to 100% of the time get you through a run

Its something you should always plan strategically otherwise whats the point

[fresh scarab]

you know what’s funny about Flamethrower

it really only needs like 2 buffs to be an extremely competent ability

[worldly haven]

it's my first time fighting mithrix, anyone wanna watch?

[plush gulch]

but, uhm. how do you plan strategically around scrappers and printers when they don't spawn

[woeful python]

True but the other ability is literal infinite mobility so what can u do

[ionic glacier]

i'd get the void one if you can, the void areas are imo the coolest in the game and the survivors r rlly fun

[woeful python]

I mean thats the point, u need to plan for in case they dont spawn

[fresh scarab]

you don’t, you ball

[plush gulch]

well, printers do spawn but like their usability is arguable at best depending on your current loadout without scrappers

[ionic glacier]

the only thing i like abt alloy collective is operator tbh

[plush gulch]

is the planning in question rawdogging the RNG?

[woeful python]

Whats the point of the game being a roguelite if ur essentially guranteed to be able to choose ur items

[woeful python]

no its planning AROUND IT

[fresh scarab]

as someone who loves macro game
sometimes you get a run where there is legitimately no potential for strategy and you just gotta ball out

[pulsar dew]

pretty good dps + proc vs free win button

[woeful python]

Exactly

[plush gulch]

cus like I can see the skill expression in playing around bad items, but it's not like you're planning much in that case no?

how do you plan around it other than just playing better to compensate for bad items though?

[ionic glacier]

you really can't i guess

[plush gulch]

I swear I'm not trying to be obtuse on purpose

[woeful python]

dude if u care so bad ab this stuff go play the binding of Isaac instead LOL

[robust plume]

I like men

[pulsar dew]

bro you are not built for this

[ionic glacier]

no ur good i'm js not following exactly with what ur asking

[fresh scarab]

included in my modlist has 3 key changes to Flamethrower that I think make it quite good

[plush gulch]

also there are still plenty of layers of randomness even if you guarantee scrappers. With DLCs on it's a crapshoot which printers and cauldrons you get

[woeful python]

But you dont need those to consistently get a good run, theyre simply one variable

[ionic glacier]

i don't think scrappers are necessary at all

[fresh scarab]

1. burn chance is guaranteed instead of “maybe…”
2. range extended from 20m to 30m
3. sprinting no longer cancels the ability

[woeful python]

If ur relying on printers every run for a good run then u need to up ur skill a bit

[ionic glacier]

i didn't really even know how powerful they were until like, last week

[woeful python]

U shouldnt need to rely on items that hard

[ionic glacier]

and even then it's js nice to have

[pulsar dew]

if i could monsoon every character with minimal scrapper/printer usage

you can too

[ionic glacier]

i mean yeah but also like idk i js don't see them as being super valuable

[plush gulch]

I was mostly wondering how majorly I'd be fucking the balance of the game by guaranteeing scrappers on given stages. Cus to me it sounds more fun to have some semblance of control in your inventory, so I'm very tempted to install it. At the same time I don't want to utterly upend the balance of the game, ya know

[ionic glacier]

like there's some items that r kinda useless i guess but like

[pulsar dew]

im free

[fresh scarab]

guaranteeing scrappers on every stage would definitely be unbalanced

[ionic glacier]

idk id rather have it then the chance of getting a decent printer

[fresh scarab]

most straight to the point answer you’re gonna get

[ionic glacier]

i honestly don't think it's that crazy, i mean it's obv unintended so ur prob gonna be like super strong but this game has kinda busted balance already so like wtv

it's ur game play it how u want

[plush gulch]

fair enough. thank you

[ionic glacier]

maybe i just have yet to be shown the strength and power of printers but like

i just don't think it's that crazy

[fresh scarab]

bad printers will never hurt your run
good printers will dominate your run

[ionic glacier]

like if im playing railgunner and i turn all my items to crowbars and one shot everything that's pretty cool

but idk i like my items

[fresh scarab]

you don’t wanna go all in on one damage item

[ionic glacier]

right obv im being hyperbolic

id assume it's much stronger if u don't loop ur run

i like looping tho

[fresh scarab]

I exclusively looped for quite some time

probably for my first 40 hours of the game

[ionic glacier]

i js got the game like 3 weeks ago

i have like 20 ish hours i think

[pulsar dew]

okay okay

[ionic glacier]

oh wow i was way off

[pulsar dew]

idk if youre still arguing about this, but look at drifter

[ionic glacier]

63 hours

[pulsar dew]

mediocre kit

pretty good damage, but no range

[ionic glacier]

prob 30 of that is spent afk

[sour nest]

How rare is of one mind?

[pulsar dew]

however, she has her special

and i forgot what it was called BUT

it is a free scrapper

[ionic glacier]

tinker

and recycler

[pulsar dew]

every stage with 0 drawback

[ionic glacier]

which is p cool

[pulsar dew]

but only for trishops and printers

which would like be the best things to use them on

[sour nest]

Drifter is either heavily lacking in the range category... Or busted as shit and unkillable if you use tinker.

[pulsar dew]

its a mediocre survivor with a god tier ability

[ionic glacier]

i have yet to use any drifter tech

i just like throwing aurelonites off the map

malakite elder lumerean, whatever shall i do

[fresh scarab]

normally, 1/4000 chance drop from a Collective Elite, but you can also craft it with Wandering CHEF

[pulsar dew]

best part of drifter

[fresh scarab]

using and Sentry Key (from Conduit Canyon)

[errant marsh]

Idk the only aspect I ever get is her biting embrace

I don't think the other ones exist smh

Government propaganda

[fresh scarab]

my first ever Robomando run I got a Blazing aspect with a bunch of other really overpowered shit

[golden linden]

i got a overloading aspect stage 1 as rising thunder merc

[fresh scarab]

my second ever Robomando run I got an Overloading aspect

[sour nest]

I just wish drifter wasn't soo jacked over thanks to her tinker ability.

[fresh scarab]

what did the game mean by this?

[golden linden]

I got 4 lumishots, faulty conductor and cherf

[sour nest]

I'd buff salvage, nerd the green scrap of tinker.

[errant marsh]

I only get ice aspect

[sour nest]

Also thanks for the info.

[errant marsh]

For some reason

[ionic glacier]

my bf was playing engineer and i kept throwing him off the map

since he had no mobility it was js wraps

[languid crystal]

rip engi

[errant marsh]

Also I think all aspects should be craftable

[golden linden]

the vanilla ones were at one time

[fresh scarab]

ok but no GENUINELY what the fuck was this
mind you this all came from STAGE 1 VERDANT FALLS

[ionic glacier]

i mean they're all kinda butt right

[ionic glacier]

goodness me

[fresh scarab]

mind you I got an Ignition Tank on the very next stage

[errant marsh]

Why aren't they now 💔

[golden linden]

idk

[golden linden]

not really, both blazing and overloading pop from total damage

[fresh scarab]

incase it’s not clear enough how strong this is, the aspect was causing Boomerang to apply Burn on EVERY HIT

[errant marsh]

At least collective aspect is broken and cool

[fresh scarab]

you know, the item that hits 9 BILLION TIMES

[golden linden]

ice aspect is a powerful slow

mending not really doing much, gilded is free money

[fresh scarab]

also I learned that Robomando mod secondary, the taser, has a 3.0 proc

which is really funny for being 300% damage on a 3s cd

[golden linden]

of one mind does all this

[fresh scarab]

Of One Mind is basically a giant bubble shield attached to you that applies to all allies inside of it

including you

[ionic glacier]

that's pretty cool

i know perfected is rlly good

cuz it's like a free transcendence and a billion buffs

[fresh scarab]

Overloading turns half your health into shield and spawns electric bombs on hit that explode for 50% TOTAL damage

[tawdry hornet]

that's overloading

[fresh scarab]

so it’s functionally 1.5x damage multiplier

[tawdry hornet]

perfected is the lunar elites

[fresh scarab]

MB yeah Overloading

[tawdry hornet]

perfected turns all your health but 1 into shield and all your hits weaken enemies

what does weakened do? idk it's a damage buff and slows you down

[fresh scarab]

it’s a bit stronger than Weaken

[errant marsh]

Perfected is crazy still

[golden linden]

it's it cripple

cripple is the same one from

[errant marsh]

Cripple + transcendence + 2 goat hoofs

[fresh scarab]

ok no actually Weaken is better

[tawdry hornet]

thank you wiki

[fresh scarab]

Weaken is the debuff that mainly REX abilities apply, which reduces armor by 30, and movement speed+damage by 40%

Perfected applies Cripple, which reduces armor by 20 and movement speed by 50%

[worldly haven]

first time beating mithrix

[fresh scarab]

Weaken just does more

[tawdry hornet]

makes sense that a character specific debuff would be better than one enemies/every character can have

[tawdry hornet]

you do not need 26 atgs 😭 good job though

[worldly haven]

it's my favorite green item

yes i do

[tawdry hornet]

true

all that stacks is the damage though

[errant marsh]

Legalize nuclear bombs

[worldly haven]

yea, i'm well aware of that

if i thought it was chance, i'd have stopped at 10

[tawdry hornet]

mithrix when he witnesses some weird small mammal with a shrimp, cardboard, and a nuke

[worldly haven]

7800% damage

tyvm

honestly it helped a lot

[vapid dagger]

i skipped most drones

[fresh scarab]

Petrichor V is filled with “Glass” that makes Solus more sentient
“Glass isn’t Soul”
looks at Pillar of Soul
glass

[spare bobcat]

ayyyyy full clear gang

[fresh scarab]

looks at Artifact of Glass
Soul

[tawdry hornet]

HIKER'S BOOTS!!!!!!

[spare bobcat]

Much more worth it now a days

[fresh scarab]

guys I still don’t think Glass is Soul :)

[tawdry hornet]

glass is soul theory

[worldly haven]

i thought that was ice ngl

[vapid dagger]

mags

[spare bobcat]

I used to be able to full clear stage 1 in six minutes, but now there's so much more chests and things.

[worldly haven]

the game is telling you something

[tawdry hornet]

looks at shapes glass
subtracts soul

[spare bobcat]

The game is telling you that you need more grenades

[tawdry hornet]

what

[spare bobcat]

who tf uses suppressive fire anyway

[tawdry hornet]

backup mag adds a charge to your second ability

[spare bobcat]

Yes

[worldly haven]

i thought i was going crazy, thanks for that

[spare bobcat]

Which you need because you lack grenades

[tawdry hornet]

idk i think ac is just challenging themselves

i'm seeing full default mando in that screenshot

[fresh scarab]

looks at the “random” miniboss they inserted directly next to the boss whose whole thing is hoarding Glass
drops Shaped Glass

[tawdry hornet]

sorry is this about the MUL-T umbra

[fresh scarab]

yea

[tawdry hornet]

i see...

[terse ferry]

oh my fucking god

[spare bobcat]

If you're playing MUL-T he's even funner

At least that's how it was when I last did that as MUL-T

[errant marsh]

I love killing mul T umbra as fast as possible

[tawdry hornet]

fun risk of rain 2 synergies

engineer + shaped glass + stoneflux pauldron

[errant marsh]

Its really funny

[fresh scarab]

we, yes WE, hate Umbra of MUL-T

[errant marsh]

The only way you make stoneflux fun is by playing the false son

[tawdry hornet]

okay don't go putting words in my mouth

[fresh scarab]

or if you’re two loops into a bender and need to slow down

[errant marsh]

That too

[spare bobcat]

...you aren't stacking stone flux 50 times on EVERY survivor?

I'm afraid we are going to have to beat you to death.

[placid quail]

Why is the umbra invincible for the first few seconds 😠

[glacial tide]

Just scrap some of your speed

[tawdry hornet]

NOBODY is dropping 100 coins on stoneflux every run

[fresh scarab]

because survivors are invincible for the first few seconds when they teleport into a stage

[placid quail]

True?????

[spare bobcat]

Only the lunar cheaters. Normal folks can get away with 5.

[errant marsh]

Yeah we yes WE all do you're right

[spare bobcat]

But you always want large amounts of both flux pauldrons.

No matter what.

[vapid dagger]

yeah but im getting mixed messages

[fresh scarab]

KILL THAT UNAUTHORIZED THING RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

[tawdry hornet]

YEAH OPERATOR PUT BELT TO ASS ‼️‼️‼️

[errant marsh]

Weakest operator run

[fresh scarab]

the only character I’ve found gains a lot of use from is Acrid

[placid quail]

I remember when was ludicrously powerful

[upbeat yarrow]

Use operator with light flux, healing drones and purity

[fresh scarab]

back when it stacked chance and damage, yeah

[worldly haven]

they aren't mixed messages, you just gotta use everything

[errant marsh]

Wasn't engi stronger at one point as well

[placid quail]

Such is the way of total damage

[vapid dagger]

it still kind of is

[fresh scarab]

I don’t know about Engi, but I know MUL-T used to have more damage

[placid quail]

Definitely a staple

[worldly haven]

wait, the planetbuster used to be stronger?

[uneven bloom]

how is he so in character here

complaining he can't kill wildlife

[placid quail]

I heard the EULA was interesting

[tawdry hornet]

mithrix what are you doing on 4546B 😭

[errant marsh]

We love our 9% total dps increase

[fresh scarab]

that EULA was also supposedly made prior to Krafton exiting the picture

[worldly haven]

btw uh

[languid crystal]

but i will

[tawdry hornet]

BLIGHT???!

[languid crystal]

i am a proud lunar coin loaner

i loan millions of lunar coins from newt himself

[tawdry hornet]

wait that's a thing in risk of rain as well my bad

[languid crystal]

he gives them to me

[tawdry hornet]

i'm too dead by daylight brained

[fresh scarab]

every new Sticky Bomb adds 9% to this value :)

[languid crystal]

bruh hell nah fuck dbd

[tawdry hornet]

true as someone who's played dbd for years never touch that hellscape

[worldly haven]

what's this sword? i know it's not providence's since that's in helminth and is bigger than this

[fresh scarab]

Mithrix made it

[spare saddle]

its mine

i accidentally threw it at the moon

[errant marsh]

Except yk characters like false son and chef where its ludicrously more powerful

[tawdry hornet]

providence sword in helminth ?

[languid crystal]

no chef is a weakling

[errant marsh]

Does he know?

[tawdry hornet]

he doesn't know

[errant marsh]

Bait or agenda pushing call it

[tawdry hornet]

personally i don't like playing CHEF but i know he's a good character

[worldly haven]

now that i've beaten mithrix, time to find a new game

[tawdry hornet]

ah ah ah, what about the other endings

[worldly haven]

i already got obliterated

[spare bobcat]

My actual hot CHEF take: I don't see much use from YES, CHEF!. I always just go with a second oil ability.

[tawdry hornet]

did you do it with a certain item

[languid crystal]

agenda pushing

[worldly haven]

nah, i hadn't unlocked beads bc you need to get obliterated to do that

[languid crystal]

i played chef the other day lol hes balanced i js like calling him weak

[fresh scarab]

I mean I got some use out of the sword (ignore the dog)

[tawdry hornet]

what,

[native falcon]

Man when we getting the next dev diary 🥺

[spare bobcat]

Dev dairy

[tawdry hornet]

i never knew beads were an unlock

[spare bobcat]

Gimme a dev milkshake

[worldly haven]

ye

[sage python]

they arent

[tawdry hornet]

they are apparently

[spare bobcat]

Obliterating without beads only counts as half a game clear.

[sage python]

wait wtf they are

[tawdry hornet]

i know right

this is like remembering that the heresy items are unlocks

[fresh scarab]

testament to how little people go to A Moment Fractured

[worldly haven]

ye

[golden linden]

took 20min but run got good

[worldly haven]

true respite gives 2 unlocks

[errant marsh]

We should get bugged chef back for funsies

[tawdry hornet]

the music is nice but it's not worth much beyond the logbook/artifact code/obliterating

i mean i guess i used it as an environment to unlock wanderlust

[fresh scarab]

where’s the crit

[languid crystal]

been there like once

[spare bobcat]

It's also helpful for endurance run challenges since it counts as a stage clear if you go back into the loop

[golden linden]

i got this.wav

[worldly haven]

i'm listening to wah the night

[tawdry hornet]

no crit on flurry huntress 😭

[languid crystal]

its only stage 3 bros gnna find a lensmaker printer soon

trust me ive played this game b4

and lost miserably

[spare bobcat]

Imagine finding a printer for lense maker but you have eulogy and it's a stone flux printer instead

You still better give it all your whites

[languid crystal]

lmao thats good

[sage python]

well then its not a lens maker printer

[tawdry hornet]

wait a minute where the hell are you

[golden linden]

I was at the bazaar

[tawdry hornet]

why green portal

[sage python]

the geodes

[tawdry hornet]

the huh

[worldly haven]

i want a transcendence printer

[golden linden]

long ago I made the suggestion for wolfo to make the exit portal change based on the seer you choose

[languid crystal]

he hit the three specks

[golden linden]

it was just for gilded coast, but with potc it makes the green portal too

[languid crystal]

which open green portal

[placid quail]

Get the funny domino

[golden linden]

and no i didnt do the geodes

[placid quail]

[languid crystal]

oh wtf

[worldly haven]

looks yummy

[tawdry hornet]

can one of you be less cryptic

[placid quail]

Just get moms credit card and purchase SOTV

[golden linden]

the geode portal doesn't appear where I took the screenshot

[worldly haven]

it's the ínternet, nobody knows how to not be cryptic when someone needs help

[languid crystal]

in the bazaar, theres a chance theres 3 halcyon specks, theyre kinda golden and a little hard to find but theres 3 of them around bazaar(even near void field entrance). shooting three opens green portal

[placid quail]

Eulogy Zero is a fun item until it overrides the legendary chest

[vital depot]

geodes

[tawdry hornet]

whaaat that's so weird

[molten hound]

what up

[languid crystal]

hello

[errant marsh]

I used eulogy to stack 127 shaped glass once

[molten hound]

get one more

[tawdry hornet]

.3 max hp

[tawdry hornet]

hello cone poem song

[languid crystal]

on baba booie

[errant marsh]

I actually did but I didn't die somehow

[molten hound]

EVILLL
FUCKINNNG
WIZAAARDDD

[errant marsh]

I think its cause I had a bunch of transcendence

[tawdry hornet]

my man 🤝

[placid quail]

The true way to kill Mithrix is to distribute 128 shaped glasses between yourself and at least one teammate. Mithrix will immediately fucking die after stealing them all

[tawdry hornet]

"haha i am going to take all your items- wait where's my healthbar"

[molten hound]

you should get 128 shaped glass.. NOW

[placid quail]

As it turns out, the damage buff also makes your heart stronger in the bad way. (Fatal hypertension)

[molten hound]

did they seriously remove the "you should obliterate yourself now" sticker

[errant marsh]

At least we still have

[placid quail]

Darn liberals ruining perfectly fun stickers smh my head sm shake my m head

[tawdry hornet]

when did this get added it's actual gold

[worldly haven]

like putting 10 different spicy powders in your lunch, full well knowing it's gonna be stolen from the shared fridge at work

[molten hound]

noone uses the ego sticker

[errant marsh]

What if Providence was gay and he was named pridevidence

[tawdry hornet]

they should replace every emoji and sticker with egocentrism

[molten hound]

every week one more sticker gets ego'd

[tawdry hornet]

oh nooo what happened to my sticker what happeneed

[molten hound]

what if mithrix was gay and his name was bithrix

[placid quail]

Holy crap, Lois! This is just like the Monk episode where the murderer gifted a specific kind of alcohol to someone knowing that they would not drink it and instead give it to a specific person who was the actual poisoning target

[tawdry hornet]

what if commando was gay and his name was commando

[worldly haven]

entry of the gladiators started playing as soon as you sent that message(not even joking, i have my playlist on random)

[errant marsh]

Mithrix is actually a rampaging bisexual

[molten hound]

rampaging?

[worldly haven]

he's rampaging bc nobody wants his ass

[errant marsh]

Because he's evil duh

[placid quail]

“Are you the evil boss?”

“Good and evil are mere arbitrary constru-“

“Yeah, this is him.”

[golden linden]

lol, lmao

[molten hound]

reusing jokes? smite this man down for his crimes.

[placid quail]

Why did you post a literal piece of shit

[errant marsh]

Remove every void item but polylute

[molten hound]

what about plimp and lysate

[worldly haven]

ok but that is true t- gets shot

[lone wraith]

wungur?

[placid quail]

I suppose that hiker boots indirectly made void crit less shit since there’s now a new way to get crit

[errant marsh]

Fuck every other void item

I only want plute

[molten hound]

does machina trigger vrit

[errant marsh]

Yes

[sage python]

yeah

[placid quail]

Evil patch note idea

Hiker’s Boots now corrupt into the void crit glasses

[molten hound]

vrit has been getting better every dlc then

[errant marsh]

It also triggers sonorous fun fact

Funny combo

[molten hound]

oh thats interesting

[sage python]

what in sots?

[twin rover]

how is my pace guys

[placid quail]

Conch shell

[molten hound]

isnt machina in sots

[placid quail]

I believe if you kill an elite with the empowered attack they will drop an item always

[sage python]

also compulsion and nectar give crit

[twin rover]

nuh

[errant marsh]

Nope

[sage python]

its ac

[molten hound]

oh

[errant marsh]

Aren't they multiplicative though

[sage python]

yah

[errant marsh]

Arguably makes vrit worse then

[placid quail]

Is it a mere coincidence that a good item for false son’s growth passive has the word “growth” in its name?

[wet marsh]

how does multiplicative crit work

[twin rover]

i sent ts expecting attention. did you even look at the image

[errant marsh]

Probably intentional

[molten hound]

everyone i have to admit ive never played risk of rain before

[languid crystal]

it gets rigged

[errant marsh]

Multiplies your current crit

[wet marsh]

MIGHT be able to tickle mithrix

[placid quail]

Decimal multiplied by the current crit value instead of a whole number being added to the current crit value

I think?

[sage python]

compulsion is about 5.5% crit at 5 glasses

[errant marsh]

Grectar at max stats multiplies current crit by 1.16

[twin rover]

praying for the phase 4 skip

[molten hound]

i think if you have enough items mithrix just stopped halfway

[wet marsh]

mithrix has a timer before he becomes vulnerable again

[molten hound]

happened to me a couple of times when i was on switch

[wet marsh]

so if you have too many items he cant suck them all and you can kill him that way

[errant marsh]

Anyway I love grectar

[wet marsh]

you have TOO many items

[placid quail]

Chef alt primary idea

Two huge pieces of stale bread that he bangs together like cymbals

[sage python]

at 9 glasses, compulsion serves a respectable 8% crit

[twin rover]

if he sucks in the pearls im cooked

but that is the problem for later

[errant marsh]

Im pretty sure it and compulsion are the only multiplicative movement speed bonuses

[twin rover]

btw i got 500 items while cleansing cus i had 3 defiant gouges and the pool counts as a shrine

[placid quail]

I fucking hate math

It’s a cruel joke how the universe is basically a bunch of math equations happening constantly

[golden linden]

not really?

[errant marsh]

I fucking love math

[golden linden]

I won't go into it tho this run is frying me on how bad it is

[errant marsh]

Rahhhhhhh

[errant marsh]

Show me how bad it is

[molten hound]

i have no strong opinions on math

[placid quail]

If we did dragonball fusion it would create a being that is indifferent about math

[errant marsh]

Holy shit

What does quality ruckler do

[placid quail]

Eclipse 🤢

[wet marsh]

dash that knocks enemies away iirc

for varying damage and cooldown depending on quality

[placid quail]

But that’s just my personal opinion on it and I acknowledge it’s not nauseous for many

[late ruin]

Say that to my fucking face

[terse fossil]

first try because the rng actually blessed me

[placid quail]

You are a hastily cobbled together afterthought that artificially makes the game harder in the most infuriating ways possible

[sage python]

i think eclipse isnt well designed but it pushes past that because it does offer a pretty alright progression mode that people like

[worldly haven]

hmmmm

[wet marsh]

omg the real john e8??

[late ruin]

You're a meanie head

[molten hound]

eclipse 🤢

[wet marsh]

haiii john e8 ty for making the game harder for everyone <3

[late ruin]

Die

[molten hound]

too far bro

[sage python]

the worst modifiers dont impact the game too much

[wet marsh]

we all love you john e8

[sage python]

(e1)

[worldly haven]

i wonder what the eclipse icon tastes like

[gray jacinth]

i wish you could get some special skin like the mastery ones but maybe thats too much of an ask

[terse fossil]

it's the moon

[molten hound]

like stardust

[sage python]

and the good ones are pretty cool, tho not my cuppa tea

[placid quail]

Also you keep coming up in balance discussions and it confuses new players because they start thinking that they must hyper optimize the real difficulties too

[late ruin]

Thanks

[worldly haven]

@late ruin can i try

[placid quail]

Ok I feel better now

[late ruin]

No

[sage python]

on paper eclipse is really kinda crap, but it does its job well enough and brings enough to the table

[wet marsh]

i dont like the fact that you need to grind towards e8

[late ruin]

Enemy gold drops -20%

[worldly haven]

eclipse is easy, just stack transcend and get tons of drones

[placid quail]

If “fuck you” was a difficulty modifier

[sage python]

it was a cool additon and i hope they add a blacklist for certain e7 attacks

[wet marsh]

kill eclipse 6 specifically

[sage python]

like awu shield and most of false son

[livid idol]

and alloy hunter :)

[sage python]

should i e8 everyone

[late ruin]

No awu is unkillable and false son will take your items constantly

[livid idol]

besides those three I can't think of anything criminal in e7 though

[worldly haven]

counter argument, i take 10 minutes per stage

[sage python]

blacklist mithrix backdash

[late ruin]

Alloy hunter will spam orbital strikes and you will like it

[livid idol]

imo if you just want to play e8 cheat your way up to e8 and just do that

[placid quail]

Woolie falls to his knees

[sage python]

i dont really wanna play e8

[livid idol]

then don't!

[sage python]

if i were to itd just be for accomplishment

[spare saddle]

can he fall on his face instead?

[livid idol]

you don't get anything for doing gold e8

[sage python]

could be fun tho

[wet marsh]

monsoon is just too easy

[livid idol]

if you think its fun then do it fox idk

[worldly haven]

also i play with sacrifice, gold isn't much of an issue

[placid quail]

Let’s compromise with imagining him breaking his knees after falling onto them

[sage python]

🤔

[gray jacinth]

i remember first starting out and being scared of monsoon 🥹

[spare saddle]

how can he fall on his knees if we remove them?

[wet marsh]

SAME OMG

[golden linden]

dead, not big surprise

[molten hound]

how big is the surprise

[sage python]

You will die.

[spare saddle]

like 2-4 maybe 5

[late ruin]

Eclipse 5 -50% Ally Healing

[placid quail]

I appreciate that eclipse doesn’t unlock anything. It’s an extra hard mode for people who want that but you never even have to touch it to 100% the game

Assuming by 100% we just mean the achievements

[livid idol]

I wish eclipse was designed better

[placid quail]

[terse fossil]

spreadsheet update

[placid quail]

Society if the eclipse modifiers were interesting

[gray jacinth]

void fiend taking the most attempts is funny

[gray jacinth]

society if most of the artifacts were interesting

[terse fossil]

why

[gray jacinth]

idk just interesting

[placid quail]

I dare suggest they are.

[errant marsh]

Captain randomly taking 6 attempts for e5

[placid quail]

Except frailty. It’s so terrible that they force it into you in eclipse

[terse fossil]

i'm not judging anyone but artifact of command is boring and having to pick an item from the table might get you killed sometimes

[terse fossil]

look i had a bad day lmao

look at attempt 1 and 4 of captain e5

[placid quail]

What if captain died of old age if you take too long on a stage

[terse fossil]

also i can't put everything in one screenshot anymore

[errant marsh]

Operator has OP in the name for a reason

[terse fossil]

operator is just built different

actually good survivor unlike trashgunner

[placid quail]

Captain actually never gets killed by enemies. He just coincidentally dies of old age mere picoseconds before an enemy kills him

[worldly haven]

if 1 is my max hp, can the delicate watch not break

[ruby vale]

railgunner is good bro what

[gray jacinth]

true, most runs it usually boils down to stacking the same few items first

[molten hound]

you break

[livid idol]

if you die it'll break

[errant marsh]

Don't question the agenda

[worldly haven]

if i die, i die

[errant marsh]

Anyway do false son

[ruby vale]

nope railgunner is top 8 survivors

[terse fossil]

also i feel like it defeats the point of the game

[livid idol]

whats up with the three hour mul-t run

[terse fossil]

i'm picking those in a fortune wheel

but i wanna get around to him at some point cuz he's cool

[terse fossil]

*top19

or actually top20

[gray jacinth]

yea for me i only use it in really specific cases

[terse fossil]

i only used it to cheese achievements

[ruby vale]

at least we can all agree false son or operator is the best survivor

[terse fossil]

okay ye agreed

[livid idol]

seeker is top one strength wise with false son close behind

[errant marsh]

Seeker is better than Operator

Operator is like 3rd in my eyes

[gray jacinth]

operator has been working its way up on my tier list

[terse fossil]

i'm talking about the fun factor

[livid idol]

operator is up there but not comparable to the other two

[ruby vale]

seeker gets way too much glaze because of tranquility

[gray jacinth]

drifter went down to A tier

[livid idol]

drones are very powerful now though

[errant marsh]

Because shes broken

[ruby vale]

who needs a revive when you just dont die

[errant marsh]

Seeker has everything

[gray jacinth]

because its just that good

[terse fossil]

seeker is just that good

[errant marsh]

Seeker shouldn't die anyway lol the revive is just a bonus

[livid idol]

see the thing is not that she needs the revive it's that she has it on top of all of her other bullshit