ror2-discussion

[quasi lance]

Egg is great imo its good on any character with low verticality

[sonic tangle]

it widens the camera so it fels like youre slower than you actually are

[fresh scarab]

Egg is a source of omnidirectional mobility with no real downside

[quasi lance]

True, but efficiency doesnt always outweigh your equipment slot being taken up

[fresh scarab]

unlike where you can end up in wing prison if you’re stupid

[mental anchor]

maybe I just don't find it that fun

[livid idol]

you say this like you choose your equipment

idk if I see it i don't complain, if i have something I care about which is often i don't take it but I'm not mad to have it

[fresh scarab]

this is not to say that is better than , but the convenience is nice

[sonic tangle]

i think egg > chrysalis

both still solid

[mental anchor]

I feel like chrysalis letting you still deal damage actively isn't something to scoff at

[quasi lance]

You dont, but most other equipments are better at doing a specific thing, mostly just damage.
Most other equips provide a more beneficial effect than looting efficiency, hell, even boosting efficiency even more than scanner

Tldr scanner is the commando of equipments, aint bad but outclassed

[coarse merlin]

They are especially obnoxious

[fresh scarab]

the main thing I’d say scanner does is give you an idea of the most efficient routing of a stage

you know where you should go first instead of searching around

[quasi lance]

Scanner is the equipment i pick up if there is no other equip that isnt worse

Need to make an equipment tierlist

Anyways whats another unbalanced item i need more to keep my brain festering

[finite barn]

is volcanic egg good?

[fresh scarab]

it’s okay

[quasi lance]

Pretty good for low-mobility survivors

[fair knoll]

It’s decent

[quasi lance]

Vegg gets you in and out, mostly out

And pillar skip!!!!

We love those

[sonic tangle]

scanner > foreign fruit

[quasi lance]

Recycler/Card > everything but maybe Tricorn

[finite barn]

prolly gonna leave it tbh i have Hardlight afterburner on the archer so mobility is fine

[quasi lance]

Tricorn is so cool i like it

[sonic tangle]

those are probably the top 3 but also primordial cube and royal capacitor have good arguments

[quasi lance]

I would say more capacitor, crowdfunder and bshower but yeah

[fresh scarab]

top 5 equips in order for me gotta be DEM

[mental anchor]

I wasn't expecting the blazing larvae to do a fucking instant 180 degree turn mid air as I went under it

[fresh scarab]

larva pathing is really fair I promise

[mental lagoon]

does accepting the collective's offering on monsoon also count as "beat the game or obliterate on monsoon"?

[quasi lance]

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
(Honorable mention to )

[mental anchor]

as someone who really likes fmp I dunno if I'd put it as top 5

[quasi lance]

Fmp is the bell curve of equipments

It averages out to overall really good

FMP could be swapped with Crundler

But i like fmp more so

[fresh scarab]

I find it easier to get a good DEM run than a good FMP run

[mental anchor]

do they actually call it crunder

[quasi lance]

Some do

Like me

[fresh scarab]

DEM tends to do more with less

[mental anchor]

I mean dem is like

• instant invuln
• goes insane with a shitton of items in the game

[fresh scarab]

DEM + Electric Boomerang 🤤

[quasi lance]

Chat wheres the unbalanced items not the cool equipment

I crave rework potential

[fresh scarab]

[quasi lance]

Sure

Yknow honestly you could just make it quality warbanner and scale it down a little

Thats like the perfect rework imo

It just making a temp banner on interactable activation

[fresh scarab]

I had a listed soft rework for Warbanner that I now have a more interesting implementation of

[quasi lance]

When i say unbalanced items i more mean the Faraday Spurs and the Safer Spaces

The busted items and the way underpowered ones

The extremes of the bell curve

[sonic tangle]

primordial cube is easily one of the best equips in the game imo

way more consistently good than fmp

[fresh scarab]

I feel like the direction for Spur is to tone down the benefits and make the explosion manual activation

I think it would make both sides of “it’s too strong” and “it’s annoying to play around” happy

[quasi lance]

Primordial + Gas = 🔥 , but + Gas = 🔥 🔥

[mental anchor]

I'm backing up the primordial cube thing that thing's really good

instant crowd control

[fresh scarab]

is so funny because it makes the effect reach farther and much stronger

it’s actually an incredibly powerful deaggro tool when it’s

[iron palm]

primordial cube also lets you throw enemies off of cliffs

[mental anchor]

shoutout to halc shrine

[quasi lance]

Faraday Spur - Rework Concept

"Moving builds up charge that increases movement speed and jump power, up to 80% and 200% respectively. Hold the Jump Button to release an electric Pulse that deals 350% (+150% per stack) damage in a 10-45m area around you. (Charges 10% Faster Per Stack)"

[fresh scarab]

holy shit the radius

[quasi lance]

The hold would need to be as long as a headset stomp

Wait whats normal spur radius

[fresh scarab]

MUCH less

5-32.3m

[quasi lance]

Fixed 🔧

[quasi lance]

Spur lies btw

Its radius is actually double shown in game

[fresh scarab]

interesting

[quasi lance]

130% speed is crazy for 1 item, and 80% is still kinda nuts

safer spaces could legit just be a red item

Its so comically busted

[fresh scarab]

also isn’t the speed bonus multiplicative

[quasi lance]

Im not sure but i wouldnt be surprised

[fresh scarab]

it feels like it is

[quasi lance]

I know hoof is multiplicative

Youd have to make spaces a lunar to make it balanced

Without changing the main effect

Voids are kinda just unbalanced compared to their main counterparts but these are the main culprits ,

[robust plume]

Did a run with mult to unlock it's skins and it genuinely went so well that I just got the beads and went to beat up a twisted scav as a victory lap after the second loop

[fresh scarab]

dude all the voids are FUCKED

[quasi lance]

Pluri is genuinely one of the best items in the game and no one can argue that against me

I dont know what quality voids do im scared

[fresh scarab]

you know it’s fucked up when is the weakest Quality variant

[iron palm]

i hate pluripotent larva

[robust plume]

Looping can be kinda fun, it's pretty relaxing to be basically invincible from sheer item quantity but it's only entertaining up to a point

[fresh scarab]

or at least one of them

[quasi lance]

The cooldown on that just gets a second shorter with each quality right

[iron palm]

crashing the game from 129038091278932748979823 projectiles is the one true game ending

[robust plume]

So true

[fresh scarab]

all it does is reduce cooldown and makes further stacks reduce cooldown even more than normal

[quasi lance]

Oh god

[robust plume]

Y'know my gaming laptop does have some real horsepower

[quasi lance]

What does polylute do

[sterile fox]

Idk if I would call looping relaxing

[robust plume]

I wonder how far I can push it

[sterile fox]

It tires my eyes and bores me

[fresh scarab]

it increases the proc coefficient of each strike depending on the tier, scaling with stacks, and if you go above 1.0, it instead gets added to damage

[robust plume]

To each their own. To me it's pretty neat but after a little while it does get boring primarily because it's just too easy

[iron palm]

what drugs are the quality devs smoking

[quasi lance]

Clover on Hyper Steroids

Race be getting on too much bungus

[fresh scarab]

you wanna know the funniest one

just instantly makes vand the best band

[robust plume]

You only really keep going to either push your PC to the breaking point or to fuck up all the bosses

[quasi lance]

Oh yeah it just makes vand busted i remember that now

[blissful torrent]

i think the idea was that quality variants of strong items don't need to be much stronger or they end up overshadowing the other items even more, whereas quality on weak items is supposed to make them feel more impactful

[fresh scarab]

going from regular Vand to the lowest Vand instantly increases the TOTAL damage from 100% to like 700%

[robust plume]

Weird question but in risk of rain 1 or returns is looping even a thing? Barely play that game compared to the sequel lmao

[blissful torrent]

it is but it's a lot harder iirc

[quasi lance]

But quality spaces is STILL one of the best items in Quality, said by one of the devs themselves. Spaces is just so fucking broken

[fresh scarab]

and with higher tiers it goes up to 800, 900, and 1000 I think

and with each tier the radius and CD gets buffed

I think tier 4 Vand is a 10s cd

or 12s, I forget

[quasi lance]

Spaces could double your damage taken when off it and it would still be a relatively high tier item

It is the damage negation to end all damage negation

[fresh scarab]

scales damage with amount of shield you have

[sonic tangle]

i think safer spaces is a bit overrated

[quasi lance]

Thats actually really cool

[sonic tangle]

its insanely good but honestly tougher times isnt that far behind

[fresh scarab]

maybe with a bunch of Wechos

[iron palm]

if you stack them then safer spaces is far ahead

[fresh scarab]

and Wecho is actually really good now that it works with

[sonic tangle]

thats fair enough

[iron palm]

and it depends how often you get hit

[quasi lance]

Tougher times isnt guarenteed, doesnt stack as well, and isnt predictable

[iron palm]

but yeah if you have a lot of warped echos then tougher times is preferable

[quasi lance]

Wecho supremacy

[sonic tangle]

or are doing a tank build

[fresh scarab]

Wecho is a big winner when it comes to lessening/negating curse on E8

even after it’s fixes

[quasi lance]

Tougher times is a great item, but safer spaces is just one of the if not the best item in the game

[blissful torrent]

tougher times is great but i'd much rather know which hits i was going to be blocking, plus spaces has the utility of guaranteed free vradles and blood shrines

[quasi lance]

Id still pick up spaces over times if it was a 25s cooldown

[sonic tangle]

fair enough

[quasi lance]

Thats still a free brass contraption shot tank or cradle every 25 seconds

[fresh scarab]

also does TOTAL damage based on whatever activated it

scaling with tier

[quasi lance]

Idk all the other voids dont overpower their counterpart like spaces besides

is better than spaces because it gives you spaces

And other voids

Its like command for voids because youre so likely to get something you want

[fresh scarab]

is straightup what I wished the item did normally

which is give you armor when you have any barrier

[quasi lance]

Quality is so busted

Free quality void!

[fresh scarab]

of your choice!

[quasi lance]

I like quality topaz brooch

Less barrier decay

[fresh scarab]

yeah it makes barrier more usable

usable is the wrong word, more present

[quasi lance]

Brooch is underrated in base game

Better in quality

[fresh scarab]

is pretty neat but hard to take advantage of because it’s so survivor dependent

your special skill does more damage

[quasi lance]

What if quality spawned an allied parent when you healed a certain amount

Or gave Armor for a brief time after you heal

[fresh scarab]

and are both the same in their effect in that, when they activate, they cover a radius instead of a single target

[quasi lance]

Behemoth Lost Lenses but 10x better!1?1!?1?

[fresh scarab]

randomly upgrades one stack of items to the same tier when it activates

[quasi lance]

New Item: Nanomachines (son)
Gain temporary armor after being healed for 2 seconds

[fresh scarab]

or wait no let me check something

[quasi lance]

Pluri so good

[fresh scarab]

it might just do that for ALL voids that change which would be mega fucked

let me confirm

[iron palm]

this would actually be interesting

id like more items that reward/encourage healing based builds

[sonic tangle]

i want another razorwire esque item

[iron palm]

personally i think its dumb that kinetic dampener encourages having shield when shield is already innately better than normal health in 95% of cases

[quasi lance]

Pluri is either you get free great voids by uhm... tripping off the edge of the map, or a safety net for your run that makes it so you play again if you die but potentially weaker

[quasi lance]

Transcendence Proves this

Transcendence and Spaces need nerfs or something

[fresh scarab]

sorry no I think this is for Seed of Life

[quasi lance]

Transcendence is just spaces but the cooldown can be reset by being hit + all the benefits like 1.5x health, no fall damage, multiple things like sojourn "breaking" in good ways, ect...

[livid idol]

it took so long to get past the great filter that is stage 1, the moment I got out though jesus christ idk why someone would argue command is a debuff in all artifacts

(also i had three stages of three mountain shrines what the fuck)

[iron palm]

what the fuck am i looking at

[quasi lance]

Best Item Overall List IMO
1.
2.
3.
4.Solitude
5.

[livid idol]

all artifacts eclipse 8, and the consequences of me clicking every mountain shrine I saw (there were so many)

[iron palm]

no shit i mean everything else

[quasi lance]

Transcendence has one downside, and its no healing, which really isnt a downside because now you have free scrap and free healing

[iron palm]

😭

[livid idol]

hatsune miku huntress skin in a modded stage 5

[fresh scarab]

are we gonna address the Solitude in the room

[quasi lance]

Fuck i forgot

[livid idol]

or do you mean arrow rain

that's a reasonable reaction to arrow rain

[fresh scarab]

ok let’s clarify this

[livid idol]

oh silence between two strikes

[fresh scarab]

Solitude is INARGUABLY the best item in the game

[quasi lance]

Long term, yes, short term, close, but no

[iron palm]

what about that "friendly turret" in the chat

[quasi lance]

Long term VERY much yes

But im saying monsoon 5 stages

[livid idol]

snowtime toybox has special walking turrets on every stage that you can buy and they are friend shaped and awesome (didn't opt for them because well allies on chaos is uh a choice)

[fresh scarab]

unless you die in the stage after you pick it up, and that stage is 1 or 2, you do not lose with Solitude

[quasi lance]

The list doesnt really change in eclipse

[livid idol]

i do not trust allies in chaos

[quasi lance]

Yes, but all the others on the list make you win harder besides #5

And pluri

Top 4 are just guaranteed wins, Transcendence is just the biggest guaranteed win

Pluri might just be #5

[fresh scarab]

Transcendence is a massive counter to Eclipse as a whole

but that only covers your survivability

Solitude covers survivability AND lethality

it fundamentally breaks how the game is supposed to work

[livid idol]

mega is this screenshot better

[quasi lance]

Its hard to die with solitude, but its a lot harder to die with transcendence. In 5 stages you will get to a high level but will be losing some items as a result of lss. Transcendence has no downside, solitude does

[fresh scarab]

you know what’s funny about that

you can just still full loot with Solitude

[iron palm]

a bit

[fresh scarab]

there is no downside to it

besides your own personal time

[quasi lance]

There is a big argument to be made that transcendence could break the game more than solitude

But thats for another time (never)

[fresh scarab]

full looting with Solitude has no downside as you will never be outscaled by enemies

difficulty scaling does not exist when you have Solitude

[iron palm]

[fresh scarab]

the one true advantage that Transcendence has over Solitude in my eyes is that Solitude still has to recover health in some way if you get hit, regardless of how small they become

[iron palm]

not sure about that since the game isnt designed around being able to reach level 93

[fresh scarab]

but I feel the damage gain vastly outweighs that downside

[sonic tangle]

*94

[quasi lance]

There is though, there is a very small downside, but still a downside (not to mention a bigger downside in multiplayer) . You can run out of free coupons. Transcendences downside is a very big upside in disguise. + Longstanding Solitude really needs a Brittle Crown, RoP, Or Gome to get rolling, or even more Solitudes. Transcendence needs ONE stack to break the game, more dont break it by much more

[sonic tangle]

transcendence is just more convenient

[quasi lance]

The game is also not built around your max hp being one, look at seekers sojourn with transcendence

[iron palm]

chance shrines are basically off limits for solitude

[fresh scarab]

in my experience, one Solitude will cover almost every purchase on your first loop unless you get unlucky on Chance Shrines

[iron palm]

drones are also questionable too

[iron palm]

aka every single run 😒

[fresh scarab]

as for multiplayer, it’s actually EVEN MORE broken for that, as players SHARE LEVELS in multiplayer

[quasi lance]

Fall damage immunity is accidentally implemented into transcendence because of fall damage calc

[fresh scarab]

now EVERYONE is overpowered, and only you’re limited by your unlocks

[iron palm]

and doubled prices

but yeah shared level is good

[fresh scarab]

it’s +50%, and I still believe that all players being overpowered vastly outweighs what is just doubled E6

[quasi lance]

Im not saying solitude isnt as busted as you say it is, honestly it might be the second, but transcendence has no drawbacks and you can get it before stage 2 99% of the time, it ignores 80% of the game for you, and is very easy to use. You also only need 1 stack and the rest of your healing and some of your damage resist can go into scrap for damage printers or soup

solitude is less convenient, but scales faster the longer your run

Transcendence is a straight line graph, solitude is a logistic graph

[livid idol]

transcendence is survivability, right? solitude is that because level health and regen, and damage, and honestly is perfectly fine no matter what stage of the game, you'll probably be on the first couple stages a bit longer but it's not that bad

the downside is negligible and gives you more than transcendence does

[fresh scarab]

Transcendence ignores fall damage, healing, and lessens curse for E8

[livid idol]

it also ignores e1 but who cares about e1

[fresh scarab]

Solitude lessens curse drastically more than Transcendence, and basically quadruples your damage on average

[quasi lance]

Transcendence leads into damage by letting you turn 1/3+ of your items into scrap that can be used in soup or the humble atg printer

[livid idol]

which you aren't guaranteed, compared to solitude always giving you damage

there are a lot of greens nowadays

so like banking on a good green printer isn't really particularly an amazing choice idk

I find I often have green scrap sitting in my inventory if I scrap stuff and not find anything to spend it on

if I'm on the moon and there happens to be red soup I'll begrudgingly take what red it has, because it often is orphaned core because this game hates me

i do not understand the volume of orphaned core this game throws at me

[mental anchor]

I'm so fuckin washed
I can't beat e8 on huntress I have to be on fuckin
normal..........

[livid idol]

I'm sending you to honor + swarms

[mental anchor]

honor took fucking centuries off my life I don't think I could take more of that

[livid idol]

after putting literally dozens of attempts in all artifacts eclipse? fair

rough stage 1

the moment you get off the ground you're fine but until that moment (off the ground as in you have uke)

[fresh scarab]

the way I see it
Transcendence solves key parts of your survivability
Solitude breaks an entire core aspect of the game and will guarantee that you have higher stats than anything else in the game, ON TOP of the items that are meant to close that gap normally

I need to point out that both of these items are really overpowered, but I cannot see a world where Solitude is not the best item in the game right now

[placid quail]

Lunars range from “wtf get this shit off me” to “super drizzle”

[fresh scarab]

don’t make fun of my goat he pushes plates on Abandoned Aqueduct for me

[placid quail]

I didn’t know that

✍️

[fresh scarab]

having 5 placeable anti-Warbanners is kinda neat

hard to use, but neat

[placid quail]

Peacebanner

[fresh scarab]

could be worse
could be

[quasi lance]

Big rant warning

||By Mithrix, Solitude will be doing a bit less that transcendence on average, just because items are the main way to scale in this game. Levels can quadruple your damage, items can exponentialy multiply your damage tenfold. You are hitting at most level 50 by mithrix, which is about 40~ coupons assuming an avergar stage 1 level and getting solitude from newt, spent on 4+ stages, thats at most 40 items, potentially much less depending on drones, chance shrines, and other non-item purchases. Transcendence has no limit on items or on your own scaling besides healing, you just scale slower. Solitude also often needs more outside help, like more stacks or money items, transcendence is one and done||

Tl;dr i think imo transcendence slightly outweighs solitude in a normal 5 stage run, via turning a huge chunk of items into scrap, negating 1/3 if E8, and practically being a better spaces. in looping and stacking, solitude wins by a mile, but just base items in an average run, transcendence wins imo

I love

Effigy is a very fun item

[fresh scarab]

I always am able to hit level cap btw

[quasi lance]

Peace between the solituders and the transcendencers is from

[placid quail]

Transcendent solitude

[quasi lance]

How, if not with money items or extra stacks

[fresh scarab]

killing enemies

[quasi lance]

How long are you taking a stage

[placid quail]

Ten thousand years

[fresh scarab]

as long as I want

because Solitude makes time irrelevant

[quasi lance]

No wonder

[fresh scarab]

I don’t need to ignore items and hurry because there is no need to

I will just win

[placid quail]

All you do is win win 🎶

[fresh idol]

yeah it's like why not

[fresh scarab]

Solitude allows me to stay on a stage for as long as I want because I will never be outscaled a meaningful amount

reminder that this state of being is with NO ECONOMY ITEMS

THIS IS THE FLOOR OF SOLITUDE

[placid quail]

“It’s NOT the economy, stupid!”

[quasi lance]

This is like saying sacrifice is better than command because it will outscale item power eventually like yea it will but by then the command run was over 7 hours ago

The command run just takes like 10 separate items and wins

[placid quail]

Sacrifice is a top artifact for me. Though it sucks having much fewer opportunities to get void items…

[austere prism]

Prestige ❤️

[placid quail]

That’s a topper artifact for me

[austere prism]

if you die to stage 4 4 mountain shrines then it wasnt meant to be

[placid quail]

Prestige is fun until I receive 5 xi constructs

[quasi lance]

In a set timeframe, solitude, like sacrifice in the example, will be "worse" overall, with infinite time, of course the exponential curve is going to win its exponential

[fresh idol]

Devotion >

[quasi lance]

Devotion is very busted even without anything else

[placid quail]

Devotion is pretty neat. I personally like drones too much to use it often, though.

[quasi lance]

Just give them your midtier healing and a srf if you find one and you win

[austere prism]

actual spawn of satan

[quasi lance]

I dont care for devotion

[austere prism]

xi constructs jsut fucking over true? melee characters

[fresh idol]

i really like Devotion i wish it was balanced

[placid quail]

I also had a weird bug on the moon where the Lemurians took massive fall damage every time they teleported to catch up to me

[fresh idol]

i wish the lemurians stayed small forever

[austere prism]

like bite acrid or regular merc

[quasi lance]

Feels like i HAVE to give them decent stuff so they dont die or i give em trash and they die

[placid quail]

I treat them as a softlock if I’m drifter and haven’t gotten cool items yet

[quasi lance]

Im on the right side of the bell curve that says "commando is cool and fun"

The middle of the curve hates commando

The start are new players

[placid quail]

Commando is cool and fun

Noooooooo he’s crappy

Commando is cool and fun

[fresh scarab]

I do not “play it safe”
I do not “pass up the extra item”
I do not “prepare for hard bosses”
I HIT ALL THE MOUNTAIN SHRINES
AND IF I GET OVERWHELMED
I LOSE MY RUN

[placid quail]

If I don’t survive, it means the run was doomed anyway. Like that other person said

[quartz umbra]

4 TOPAZ BROOCHES. WE LOVE IT

EHEHEHEHE

[placid quail]

I always like getting even one stack

[quasi lance]

I do not "go to the bazaar"
I do not "dream for abyssal depths"
I do not "skip my encrusted key"
I KEEP MY RUN UNOPTIMIZED
AND IF I MISS OUT ON A RED
I DIE

[quartz umbra]

I do lol

yet always activate all the mountain shrines

[placid quail]

“Nooo you need to avoid multishops until you exhaust every opportunity to find a credit card”

Nah I’m just gonna ball

[quartz umbra]

because I do what is efficient to get better and more itens, not to be safe

[fresh idol]

unoptimizing my runs is something impossible for me bc great part of the thing about this game is the flow state of thinking of fighting and optimizing shit

[fresh scarab]

I always gotta dream stage 3
Iron Alluvium is gonna crush my balls

[quasi lance]

"No dont open the big chest stage 1 what if theres a sale star " but what if i want the dopamine NOW

[placid quail]

Alluvium is not that fun for me

[quartz umbra]

me doing it last because money

[golden karma]

Wait why is abyssal depths good?

[quasi lance]

Only fair reason

[quartz umbra]

I like it for shatter spleen and murf

[quasi lance]

Legendary chest and best spawn table out of stage 4s

[fresh scarab]

me when I perfect macro and get Sale Stars from tp for the Large Quality Chest that I PURPOSEFULLY LEFT THERE FOR THAT EXACT REASON

[sage python]

tbf with new drones its probably somewhat balanced lol

[quasi lance]

NEVER HAPPENS

WAKE UP

[fresh scarab]

literally happened on like my second to last run

[golden karma]

Ah fair, but stage 4s are usually the most interesting stages and abyssal depths is ugly so I dislike it

[quasi lance]

YOURE DREAMING

[fresh scarab]

hold my gonads

it happens

[quartz umbra]

though I sadly dont have ac or sots

[placid quail]

I totally see the appeal of macro thinking but I’m too impatient 😛

[quartz umbra]

its one of my favourites design wise

my favourites being all of em

[quasi lance]

i am the minority that like abyssal depths and hatchery not because of the map itself i just think they look cool

[sage python]

i used to like macro but i enjoy the combat more than the item strategy

[fresh scarab]

every single part of Siren’s Call has it designed for failure

[quartz umbra]

I dont even know what hatchery looks like

[fresh scarab]

it has the worst EVERYTHING

[quartz umbra]

but its so easy to loot

[sage python]

and macroing hard kinda means you oustscale enemies super quickly

[quartz umbra]

and the music THE MUSIC

[golden karma]

its pretty though

[quartz umbra]

I love sirens call

[quasi lance]

I macro sometimes but ive learnt that gambling feels more rewarding to me

[sage python]

which is defo its own sorta fun but not my cuppa

[placid quail]

I like fighting a boss for my red item instead of opening a chest personally

[sage python]

same

[fresh scarab]

fun fact
all the regular stage 4s each have their own large category chest and shrines

[quasi lance]

I dont like sirens call, just because "overgrown tech" is so overused in media. I also dont like the weird stage layout

[sage python]

i love sirens cause its quick to loot, fun to traverse, has a boss and has good music

[fresh scarab]

take one guess as to which large category chest Siren’s Call spawns

[sage python]

healing

[quasi lance]

HEALING!!!

[fresh scarab]

Healing.

[quasi lance]

OH BOY AEGIS!!!

Or leeching seed!

[fresh scarab]

and take one guess as to which shrine Siren’s Call does not spawn

[placid quail]

I’ve heard murmurings that chance shrines don’t exist on siren’s call

Or maybe it was another shrine

[quartz umbra]

wait... I have almost never seen it

[quasi lance]

CHANCE!!!

[fresh scarab]

Chance.

[quasi lance]

I know that one

[quartz umbra]

I LOVE sirens calls layout

[placid quail]

Drifter beat them all to death right before you arrive

[fresh scarab]

and we already know which of the stage 4s does not have a Legendary Chest to Sale Star

[sage python]

i dont need that many items , its such a quick stage 4 to full clear that i just move on quick

[fresh scarab]

ding ding ding
Siren’s Call

[quasi lance]

Killing sirens call

[quartz umbra]

though I hate the place with the poison balls

[placid quail]

Sulfur pools

[quartz umbra]

the colour pallet and everything

[quasi lance]

Doing to the alloy vultures what they did to the guy in the swing log entry

[quartz umbra]

yeah thanks

[fresh scarab]

not only can you not Sale Star a Legendary Chest, you also have to fight AWU, which is at best a minor nuisance, and at worst a virtually immortal fuck that takes 9 decades to kill

[sage python]

awu my beloved

[quartz umbra]

at least you can hunters tricorn

it I think

[quasi lance]

AWU fight should give an extra red of the same type in singleplayer change my mind

[placid quail]

At best, it dies from void fog

[sonic tangle]

playing spy tf2 ngl hes fun

[fresh scarab]

so now you have to deal with

1. the worst large category chest
2. the worst selection of shrines
3. needing to fight a boss for the red instead of opening a chest

[placid quail]

This

Is a bucket 🪣

[sage python]

at best you are rex and can just skip awu entirely lol

[fresh scarab]

and as if your credits weren’t hurting enough

[placid quail]

Tricorn works on it also

[sage python]

i wonder why hopoo gave it healing chests

[quasi lance]

spend 20 minutes on AWU,
Aegis, Laser Scope, Alien Head, the likes...

[placid quail]

I’ve heard secret rumors that AWU is obnoxious on eclipse

[quasi lance]

It sucks on E7

[fresh scarab]

Siren’s Call has terrible enemies in general

[quasi lance]

It uses shield so often on E7

Thanks 40% less cooldowns!!!

[fresh idol]

AWU is never that issue for me except on eclipse

[sage python]

it has vultures, elder lems and brass contraptions tho

i mean ig larva suck

[fresh scarab]

when AWU drops below half hp, they give themselves a shield that “restores” most of their hp, making damage against it useless during this time

E7 makes the downtime between shields seconds

[quasi lance]

Ive slowly grown out of monsoon and have been sliding deeper into the eclipse pit

Someone pull me out

[sage python]

unless you arent stacking debuffs ofc but ya

[placid quail]

Someday I will get so powerful that I can kill it during shield mode

[quasi lance]

Once did that with headstompers and bands

[fresh scarab]

if you’re powerful enough to kill AWU during shield, it never got the chance to use shield

[quasi lance]

I missed my first headstomp

🥺

[placid quail]

Mario shakes his head

[quasi lance]

It autolocked onto a vulture in the air

[sage python]

rex awu slamming is funny, wonder who discovered it

[quasi lance]

4am baby woo

[quasi lance]

Me, i did

I patented it

No one else can rex awu slam

[sage python]

gjulp

i like awu cause its another enemy to fight in my enemy fighting game

[livid idol]

so true fox

[quasi lance]

I hate AWU because it is a badly designed enemy to fight in an enemy fighting game

[fresh scarab]

I recently beat REX E8
and the way I did it was to
literally never use REX’s kit and entirely rely on the Spur combo I was given on stage 3

[sage python]

not even using weakening?

damn

[quasi lance]

Rex has something good?

[fresh scarab]

Seed Barrage is good

but that’s not an option on E8

[quasi lance]

They say that you shouldnt listen to things past 11pm

[fresh idol]

Rex has too many armor moves with umblockables nerf him

[sage python]

primary is good for setting up other skills

[vernal heath]

Rex has too many moves
Nerf him

[quasi lance]

Rex has a good debuff warbonds his ass

[fresh scarab]

“you should never listen to things you believe about yourself after 9pm”

thankfully this doesn’t apply to other people

[quasi lance]

Yeah something like that

[fresh scarab]

so you’re dumb

[quartz umbra]

one second after entering stage 4 and I got so happy

[quasi lance]

🥺

[sage python]

third needle 🥺

[fresh idol]

green needle?

[quasi lance]

Green?

[sage python]

🧠

[vernal heath]

What mod gives the stats?

[sage python]

lookingglass

[vernal heath]

And the UI?

[quasi lance]

Like... greenster theory..........?

[sage python]

betterhudlite

[quasi lance]

<- what if you squished it

[sage python]

@vernal heath both responses to you btw if unclear ^_^

[quartz umbra]

forgot, its one of the ones mending listed

[placid quail]

Summons a Beetle Empress

[vernal heath]

Yes thank you 🙏

[quartz umbra]

I think lookingglass

[quasi lance]

Cant wait for beetle dlc

[placid quail]

Beetle Empress final boss that summons beetle queens to assist it

[quasi lance]

We will finally get to know who "His" is in "His Reassurance"

[sage python]

incredible

[quasi lance]

Decorate your own Solus Wing! Now with customizable weak points!

[fresh scarab]

sometimes you get a run so good that you open up to Distant Roost on the next run and see this

[placid quail]

How do I make it pink I love pink

[quasi lance]

I trapped it in time

[sage python]

thats probably 6 items thats fineeee

[quartz umbra]

OOOOOOOOOOH YEAAAAAAAAAAH

[vernal heath]

Are there any other mods you might recommend? I already have Wolfo's QoL and Risk of Routes since that seemed interesting

[sage python]

what are yer looking for from a mod?

[quartz umbra]

actually faster or whatever it is called

[quasi lance]

Stage variations if you dont have em

[fresh idol]

our brains are 57 leaf clover

[placid quail]

Oh boy it sure is nice hunting for chests

Director: Hi squidward (spends all credits on chance shrines instead)

[quartz umbra]

yes

[fresh scarab]

1 in 10000 chance for Withered Foxy jumpscare every second

[quartz umbra]

me enjoying the extra items

[vernal heath]

Nothing in particular, just want to know mods you think are good

[sage python]

hm ok

[quasi lance]

Mine is perfected (1/4000 braincells make it past the first day)

[quartz umbra]

starstorm 2 :)

[placid quail]

You offer to the shrine but gain nothing

[fresh scarab]

even if you don’t want the run content, the survivors of Starstorm 2 are pretty awesome

[quartz umbra]

im tempted

[quasi lance]

Whatever you do dont just download the most popular ones youll find some freaky stuff

[livid idol]

so many items for the end of stage 2...

[quasi lance]

Do it

[quartz umbra]

but...

[placid quail]

Dew it

[quasi lance]

DO IT

[quartz umbra]

mithrix when no fmp

[quasi lance]

500 GASOLINE

[quartz umbra]

OK I WILL DO IT

7 GASOLINE

done it

[sonic tangle]

damn a 2 kd on spy i would never have expected that from myself

that was awesome

[sage python]

halcyon knight, fathomless voidling and risky mithrix are all mods that rework underwhelming enemies and give them the treatment they deserve

starstorm 2 is pretty cool, though id say yeah the items arent great, i like the storms, survivors, enemies and new difficulty though

seeker debloated improves seeker quite a lot imo, making her less stupid op and making her a bit less needlessly complex

riskymod is a cool general but it changes a lot, its all configurable but i wouldnt recommend unless you feel like fiddling

simulacrum additions makes simulacrum super fun and replayable imo, great mod

theres probs others

[vernal heath]

Seeker complex? Isn't she just kinda right click shift dance dance revolution repeat?

[sonic tangle]

she has a lot of random mechanics and text that is unnecessary

[sage dust]

she has a fuckload of mechanics that ultimately dont matter cuz they literally all are broken enough to be singularly spammed

[sonic tangle]

the issue isnt that her gameplay is simple its that her mechanics are too complex while her gameplay is one track

so it doesnt add anythkng meaningful

so its bloat

[quartz umbra]

I want a refund

[livid idol]

mmmm shatterspleen

[sage python]

snowtime toybox is funny

[livid idol]

I'm testing the melee primary :)

xi construct......

[quartz umbra]

:|

[fresh scarab]

Seeker is so weird

[livid idol]

@sage python I didn't know goobo did this I mean I didn't not expect it but oh my god its peak

[fresh scarab]

definitely has a lot of feature creep

[sonic tangle]

'time doesnt matter'

[sage python]

lmfaoo

[fresh idol]

i'm still kinda surprised there is a character literally named Seeker

[quartz umbra]

16 gasoline

[quartz umbra]

do you think im taking this run seariously anymore???

if I dont get a fmp its OVER

[sonic tangle]

my favorite charcter survivor and alloyed

[quartz umbra]

I pray for a fmp...

hell yeah we ball

yes

[quartz umbra]

bois

oops wrong one
we got this

[golden karma]

do I go for a 2nd laser scope with the other 5 scrap?

also thinking of gambling for 1 more band

[sonic tangle]

no

laser scope is pretty poor

i wouldnt even have taken the first one ngl

[golden karma]

hmm interesting then

[sonic tangle]

with max hikers boots your one laser scope is giving you arojnd a 25% damage boost

for one red i dont think its all that worth

[golden karma]

oh wait it's additive with boots? That's lame

[sonic tangle]

oh i forgot that it was additive that would make it even worse

even if your boots were lens makers it would be 25%

because of how crit damage is calculated

[golden karma]

ah good to know then

[sonic tangle]

crit damage is 200% by default and a laser scope brings that up to 300%

[golden karma]

I'll gamble for 1 more band then and pray for a good printer on stage 5. I'm tyring the fathomless void mod so I don't think I'll find soup island

[sonic tangle]

therefore with max crit a laser scope is a 50% damage boost

with 50% crit its 25%

[golden karma]

ah makes sense then

[sonic tangle]

fathomless adds soups to void locus

[golden karma]

oh nice in that case i'll pray for a good soup there

Eh sentient meat hook

lmao 3 points at once

Well since that was a failure and I'm delving into mods I may as well ask, which mods add nicely to the vanilla experience? Currently I'm only using QoL mods (loot recap, proper save and looking glass) and the fathomless void mod

[vast igloo]

You should add the Bad Item Rehabilitation mod, just a completely random suggestion from a completely random guy.

[terse ferry]

Goob!

[vast igloo]

Also Quality because Quality is the best mod ever.

[terse ferry]

I like EnemyAbilities a lot
It makes a lot of enemies more interesting to fight while being well-made enough you could actually mistake it for a vanilla uodate

Kill the alloy vulture sweep attack tho it looks so weird

[golden karma]

Oh nice I'll look into them, they seem very fun, I'll still think about quality since it seems like a large addition, maybe later though

Thanks y'all. Also like the buff on singularity band since I actually like that item in concept

[round sandal]

Cute pfp :3

[golden karma]

Ah thanks, slightly embarassing that I never fully beat the game its from

[round sandal]

What game :3

[sacred anchor]

New HALLOWED CONCEPTS Survivor LEAKED?????

[arctic seal]

his name is glorpo

[sacred anchor]

No his name is gort ❤️

[terse ferry]

has he met trog yet

[arctic seal]

glorpo

[sacred anchor]

He will

It will be the last battle on petrichor V

[cedar coral]

chat

im at 40 lunar stacks if i drink a spinel tonic how many will i gain

[normal glacier]

Ok so I just learned a valuable lesson just now

Bandit umbras inherit desperado stacks

[terse ferry]

the exact amount i'm unsure of because the formula for growth is complicated but it should be enough for the 40 spike false son achievement if that's all you need to know

you'd need around +79% to go from 40 spikes to 50 and tonic gives you +50% so you should be able to reach at least 44

[normal glacier]

Mf did not sugarcoat it, he wanted me dead and he delivered said death using same day shipping

I was expecting to get welcomed to that teleporter with 32 acp but instead got delivered anti material rounds

What kind of fucking revolver does bandit carry around and why is he loading 50 cal into it

[cedar coral]

kewl ty

[marble flint]

Your evil clone just had enough of your ass lol

[cedar coral]

thank you kind sir goobessa

or kind lady

[normal glacier]

He knew I was an engineer main and he had a prejudice against autistic folk

[terse ferry]

lady

girl my name is literally goobessa 😭

[marble flint]

Would Bandit especially target autistics?

[cedar coral]

whattt theres a chance youre trans you never know

shit nvm your pronouns are on your bio mb lol

[old python]

When you play ror2, you gotta examine it.

You gotta get down to the details.

You gotta know where it went wrong.

[marble flint]

Guys is Warped Echo good to take? Because it feels like im just taking more damage or is at least not doing too much.
Is it just skill issues?

[old python]

I was actually kinda happy I got 2 that run.

[old python]

Pretty sure since the damage is dealt more times, stuff that proc on taking damage happen the same number of times.

Plus I think it has built in damage reduction.

[cedar coral]

it gives you a few seconds to negate a fatal attack

so yes its worth taking

[marble flint]

Okay thank you both!

[cedar coral]

nws

[old python]

20% damage reduction.. nice.

[lone wraith]

FUCK YEAH.

[golden karma]

Baba is you

[lone wraith]

FUUUCK YEAH

genuinely probably wont get the potion unless i find a scrapper because this is gonna be annoying with gesture

[lone wraith]

stop GIVING ME ECLIPSE LITE

bro when designing this shit they mustve been like

hmm how can we make the clunkiest defensive item imaginable that people would 100% hate to get unless they exploit its effect

[terse ferry]

i'm a tgirl 😭

[normal glacier]

Eclipse lite is the most meh item ever unless you get it with visions. Without visions, eclipse lite kinda ain't all that insane

[cedar coral]

OH

[lone wraith]

thats what imean with the "unless they exploit its effect"

[cedar coral]

yeah my fault lmao

[terse ferry]

it's fiiine lmao

[terse ferry]

exploit deez nuts

[normal glacier]

Also, eclipse lite not scaling super well is so incredibly lame

I can understand why but still it's so lame

[lone wraith]

the lamest effect possible, the clunkiest activation condition, dogshit scaling

i dont even understand why gearbox dont make balance changes to things like this, it'd be such free good rep with the community

[sonic tangle]

hey guys i woek up

[lone wraith]

like it is NOT hard to just make the stacking effect better

[mild cloak]

I'm so good at shapes
TW: inefficient

[lone wraith]

it'd take them 10 seconds and then everyone would be like "yooo gearbox ur da goat u listen to feedback"

[normal glacier]

In any case

Idk I just disable alloyed collective so I obviously never pick up eclipse lite

[lone wraith]

but instead they never patch the game and people resent them for it

[sonic tangle]

i have no spent more of a day sleeping than today

[terse ferry]

what is this

[mild cloak]

biblical levels of stupidity

[terse ferry]

in what

[normal glacier]

Idk I just don't think gearbox's content as a whole has been as good

It's still good but I heavily prefer hopoos content.

[mild cloak]

shapez

[lone wraith]

same here but it's a tired topic so i lowkey dont feel like discussing it

[sonic tangle]

the most baffling thing about eclipse lite is the barrier change they made seemingly just for it

[mild cloak]

is eclipse lite

even good on eclipse 8

[sonic tangle]

a little bit ish

[lone wraith]

excuse me why in tarnation is luminous shot in the UTILITY CHEST

[sonic tangle]

cdr

[normal glacier]

Especially the art direction aspect. I think hopoo did far better with it.

Even the music I think has degraded a bit. I ain't afraid to say it, nothing chris made in sots or ac felt super memorable or fitting to the risk of rain ip.

[mild cloak]

it provides utility

[terse ferry]

if i had a nickel for every item-based roguelike i've played where burn is a debuff that deals total damage i would have two nickels
it isn't much but it's weird that it happened twice

[mild cloak]

rabbit and steel and...

[lone wraith]

is there a single character where the M2 isnt an offensive skill

[austere prism]

mehhh could be worse if you weren't on rex

[terse ferry]

ror2

[lone wraith]

i guess captain

[mild cloak]

railgunner

[lone wraith]

thats an offensive skill for sure

[sonic tangle]

the music thing is definitely intentional stylistic differences

[mild cloak]

no that's the m1-2

[terse ferry]

well technically burn does base damage with its duration scaling on the proccing hit's damage dealt but ykw

[mild cloak]

m2 is the scope

m2 provides utility

[lone wraith]

well yes but you need to click m2 to access the sniper so its an offensive skill by proxy

[terse ferry]

cap tazer technically deals damage but is pretty much just a stun tool

[sonic tangle]

and mult

[terse ferry]

mul-t m2 also but it has aoe so cap fits more

[mild cloak]

it provides utility by being the thing that ALLOWS you to do the big damage

[terse ferry]

crowbar is utility by this logic btw

[lone wraith]

such a stretch

[sonic tangle]

soul spiral is utility because it gives barrier

[mild cloak]

Crowbar is utility because it allows voidsent flame to be

[normal glacier]

And I get that but stylistic differences worked before, and now they seemingly don't. Face of the Deep uses a fucking saxophone for crying out loud.

[mild cloak]

nevermind

[sonic tangle]

this is definitely just a preference thing

[sour gorge]

chat am i in the right mind that this looks like a scam 😭

[sonic tangle]

the electric guitar spam wasnt accidental

[terse ferry]

that's evil warlock

[sonic tangle]

its sus because he isnt going 'what is up my slime'

[lone wraith]

at first i found it jarring that a risk of rain album was all in straight 4/4 but i think it might've been stylistic because of the whole computerised theme. so of course it'd all be perfectly symmetrical and shit

[sonic tangle]

i think stavros might be less experienced in asbtract time signatures

[lone wraith]

the sots song he made was in 7/4 iirc

so he's capable

[sonic tangle]

i can definitely see ac being a step back considering its a different composer

[sonic tangle]

that one was definitely a lot simpler than the ac songs

[lone wraith]

its definitely a much less memorable ost overall tho ngl

[sonic tangle]

despite the unique time signature

[last gyro]

the type of guy you meet in a dark alley after getting kicked out of the bar

[sonic tangle]

i love the ac music but i can definitely feel how its different

[lone wraith]

i dont think it has the same flair to it

it's good music but it's not what i've come to expect

[sonic tangle]

in fact both sots and ac have very different vibes to base game and sotv

[lone wraith]

sots has the motif fucking everywhere and it actually kinda annoys me sometimes

[sonic tangle]

lmao

[lone wraith]

like we get it bro

[sonic tangle]

i mean ok the motif is used in the 3 tracks part of a series

that only makes sense

oh its in verdant falls a bit

[lone wraith]

no its definitely in more songs man

[sonic tangle]

i think thats it though

[lone wraith]

i should buidl the man a statue too

[normal glacier]

For the most part the stage themes in sots and ac are alright

It's the boss themes I ain't a fan of.

[sonic tangle]

and it fades in at the very end yeah

[old python]

Did HE get banned?

[lone wraith]

a bit less prominent than i remembered tho so fair enough

[sonic tangle]

but honestly shattered abodes is kind of the unofficial first stage of path of colossus

since i think reformed altar can be seen past one of the doors

[lone wraith]

i wonder if they actually planned for that to be part of the route at first, since it does feel pretty strange how the path ends so quickly

[sour gorge]

bro i dont even know

[sonic tangle]

and rhen they realised stage 1 path is a stupid idea yeah

[atomic venture]

path of colossus reminds me of indian mythology that Earth is flat and its standing on 3 elephants, and they stand on giant turtle

[sonic tangle]

@molten hound this you

[lone wraith]

no i mean like you would maybe go there as the stage 2 or something

[sonic tangle]

oh thatd also make sense

[lone wraith]

i dont want that for the record it sjust my theory

[sonic tangle]

but that would make treeborn stage 4 and that is the smallest stage 4 ever

[normal glacier]

The one thing I'll give stavros credit for is that swampified mizzle felt like a proper fitting risk of rain stage theme. I actually quite like it, in spite of the fact that I think that alloyed collective is the weakest of all the albums

[lone wraith]

swampified mizzle is sick

[sonic tangle]

swamplified mizzle is definitely the closest to the style of chris

(except the ones which literally feature chris)

mistery and well rain together are definitely elevated by his presence all im gona say

[normal glacier]

I have a vendetta against torrent that cannot be downloaded

I hate that song. It is the only risk of rain song I actually dislike

[sonic tangle]

i like it and think its funny

its quite repetitive unlike other boss themes but idk it goes hard enough for me to enjoy it

[lone wraith]

it kinda peaks at the start and then it doesnt go anywhere

[cedar coral]

a little bit more than a bit

I personally love the motif but yeah its in a LOT of sots songs

[sonic tangle]

5

[cedar coral]

is it an ac song

[sonic tangle]

yes

[cedar coral]

ah

[normal glacier]

Are we forgetting that the standard is stuff like hydrophobia

[cedar coral]

can someone send it

[sonic tangle]

the style is just very different

[lone wraith]

there's also that one basegame chris boss song and i hate it, let me look for the name

[cedar coral]

which stage

[sonic tangle]

is it koppen af

[cedar coral]

I love koppen af

[sonic tangle]

i used to find it mid until i listened to the latter parts

[cedar coral]

same lol

[sonic tangle]

instant peak

[cedar coral]

theres not really any songs I dislike rn

[sonic tangle]

same

[lone wraith]

Thermodynamic Equilibrium

like it just doesnt evolve at all its 5 minutes of the same thing

starts off pretty catchy but again idt it had to be 5 minutes if thats all it is

[sonic tangle]

fair enough

[normal glacier]

It's definitely one of the weaker themes in the original ror2 album, I ain't gonna deny that

[lone wraith]

but like i will say, the lead melody is pretty cool

[cedar coral]

true

I like it tho

[narrow oracle]

[sonic tangle]

spex highkey has a way better theme than newt

[normal glacier]

I just don't like the style at all. It feels wrong.

Although I'm a weirdo who has the take that the original ror1 ost was the best of all the albums so idk

[cedar coral]

spex?

[cedar coral]

valid take i dont agree but its valid

I LOVE double fing rainbow

can we all agree providence is a way better final boss than mithrix

[sonic tangle]

i just realised ac also has a ton of its tracks containing motifs

[normal glacier]

Hailstorm is probably my favorite boss theme in the entire risk of rain ip, and I'm sad that chris hasn't done much with it beyond reuse the drums for having fallen

[sonic tangle]

theyre just a lot harder to hear

[cedar coral]

double rainbow is probably the only track name I remember lol but yeah ror1 ost is great

[sonic tangle]

for example the 9 note loop in torrent

[cedar coral]

actually I think my least favourite ror ost is from the fungal haven stage

that song is ASS

I find myself humming along ofc but its still ass

[sonic tangle]

in both final boss themes

also in strong swimmers can drone

[cedar coral]

strong swimmers can drone

these names are not it lmfaoo

[sonic tangle]

i like them theyre funny

goofy drone puns

mind your drone business is better though

[lone wraith]

i hate the sky meadows song from ror1 because it gets me hyped up thinking i'd hear the rain formerly known as purple but then its just kinda mid

[sonic tangle]

lmao

[cedar coral]

same lmao

I think my favourite ror2 ost is uh

om mani padme hum 1 and 2, koppen af, uhhhhhhh

[normal glacier]

Cyclogenesis is definitely a song, I'll say that

It picks up eventually but I ain't gonna blame you for disliking the dissonant notes because that's one of the very things that I dislike about om mani padme hum pt. 2

[lone wraith]

this is a very harsh comparison but it's like thinking you'll be hearing "somebody that i used to know" on the radio but t hen that dogshit anxiety song starts playing instead

[cedar coral]

once in a lullaby and sulfur pools song I forgot

[sonic tangle]

i think i have literally every ac track in my ror2 playlist lmao

[lone wraith]

its like getting stabbed in the back

[cedar coral]

damn I love pt 2

[cedar coral]

I have every sotv track in my playlist

[sonic tangle]

i would have more but chris added lengthy periods of silence at the end of both tlalocan and it cant rain all the time

[cedar coral]

HAH

[sonic tangle]

so those arent good fits for a playlist sadly

raindrop that fell to the sky might be my favorite overall

[cedar coral]

I just skip to the next song because I love it cant rain all the time

[sonic tangle]

delugeional or face of the deep are like playing rock paper scissors for best final boss theme

i think delugeional is more consistent throughout its runtime though

om mani padme hum i is also up there but i think its phase 1 and 2 are a bit too similar

[cedar coral]

actually its really close but out of padme hum pt 1, pt 2 and soundless depths it is DEFINITELY soundless depths

[normal glacier]

I think the dissonant notes in cyclogenesis portrays the idea that the damp caverns are very unsafe very well, meanwhile I just don't like jazz much.

[cedar coral]

face of the deep is so peak but idk the other one

favourite boss theme has to go to false son, then mithrix, then voidling

[sonic tangle]

https://youtu.be/FYnePfw4kEA

[lone wraith]

i sure love looking for the scrapper on helminth sanctuary or whatever this stage 5 is called

[sonic tangle]

i dont like bigger ukulele

or well i like it but i dont think its as good

[lone wraith]

yeah im gonna be honest that one is kinda overrated

[sonic tangle]

it has its own vibe for sure

[lone wraith]

like sure the guitar is impressive but it lacks an emotional edge if you know what i mean

[sonic tangle]

but as a boss theme im too conditioned to smth more bombastic

like literally every other final boss theme in ror2

[lone wraith]

it's very much a boss theme and nothing else imo

[cedar coral]

helminth hatchery

[sonic tangle]

i dont like the phase 2 with the chimera

[cedar coral]

I like the stage layout but I HATE the stage itself

[sonic tangle]

that one never feels right in game because it just interrupts the main track

phase 1 and 3 are also painfully similar

[cedar coral]

like if the stage wasnt lava based id love it because i hate dark magma-y settings

[sonic tangle]

phase 4 may as well be ambience music

[normal glacier]

I'll agree, antarctic oscillation was a better boss theme imo

Even just beyond the solo, I think the part after the solo is the single best part in any of the boss themes in the original ror2 album

[sonic tangle]

just noticed chris put a wikipedia link to explain his song titles

antarctic oscillation is just raw flexing

it reminds me of one of my favorite kirby tracks

[lone wraith]

theres literally no way there's a scrapper on this stage i think, but im still 99% sure that when i proceed to the next stage, the stage recap mod is gonna say i missed three

i hate this map bruh

[cedar coral]

lol

[sonic tangle]

this one is better than it but whatever we are here to glaze chris

[lone wraith]

oh wow there were none

[sonic tangle]

hoorah

[normal glacier]

And it's so funny because arctic oscillation was one of the most chill songs in the ror1 ost

[sonic tangle]

i think its cool that antarctic oscillation goes so hard despite being a very slow track

[lone wraith]

i wish the mithrix cauldrons would blacklist some items like sonorous

[sonic tangle]

i think it might overstay its welcome a biiit for me since i dont like the short intermissions between certain portions of the track

[lone wraith]

it feels so bullshit to get an item that is straight up 0 value

oh my bad ig i could farm elite wisps

[normal glacier]

Also, shoutout to chanson d'automne

Probably would have never gotten into the risk of rain ip had I not heard it in a soundsmith trolldier video years ago

[sonic tangle]

when that perfected lunar exploder drops an atg you will thank them

[lone wraith]

surely

[sonic tangle]

every comment on koppen af is just talking about youtube censoring the name

[normal glacier]

Sky meadows greed sickens me, it does not need TWO banger stage themes

[lone wraith]

i recently had a funny run where i somehow naturally came across like 3 gestures and a fuel cell printer so i went around with royal capcitor smiting everyhthing like zeus

i personally do not visit lunar shops but i just treat lunar pods like finding any other chest

[sonic tangle]

i think its funny that chris edits his videos

for music

the basegame ones anyway

sotv ones have the title fade in

[worldly haven]

can't wait to be there to witness the wiki changing during the new dlc's early life cycle

[sonic tangle]

sots got nothing sadly

[little basin]

This server looks so different 0:

Hoi guys

[worldly haven]

do y'all shower in the rain?

[normal glacier]

I visit them but only if they're not spawned by the newt altar, and I don't reroll the pedestals

If I want to do something goofy like a meteorite run or I want to get visions on engie I'll do it, but otherwise I usually don't pick lunars up.

[sonic tangle]

what the fuck is the time signature of thermodynamic equillibrium

i cant pick it up

[little basin]

Yeah always when there's a risk of rain

[lone wraith]

i think its perfectly fine to use it if you want, but i just cant be asked lol

[sonic tangle]

5/4?

[lone wraith]

runs in this game already are pretty long

[little basin]

Speak english anyway ror is slay

[lone wraith]

i think it's 10/4

at least thats how it feels to me

[worldly haven]

i'm gonna walk the dog, shower and unlock mercenary

[lone wraith]

at the drop a tleast

[little basin]

Yeah about like 30-60 minutes for a regular run

[sonic tangle]

oh yeah that sounds more correct

[lone wraith]

actually yeah its just 10/4 overall methinks

[sonic tangle]

chris made me hunger so much for weird time signatures in other music i listen to

[little basin]

Interesting

Bouta put a risk of rain 2 character idea

[normal glacier]

It rarely ever happens anyways, I'm a masochist who does challenge runs with a bajillion artifacts and lunars feel too free

Except visions on engie. It's still free but it's fun so idc

[lone wraith]

i would rather eat live bullet ants than play a run with the default engi m1

one time i saw a mod that gave him a shotgun, but alas it didnt work

[mild cloak]

ultrakill

[sonic tangle]

dawg where is the ror2 logo going in hydrophobia

[sonic tangle]

that is not music i listen to

when i say music i basically only mean kirby because thats the other franchise im interested in that also happens to have baller music

[normal glacier]

The ultrakill ost has a ton of songs with weird time signatures. Shattering circle in particular has a metric fuck ton of time signature changes

[normal glacier]

Damn

[mild cloak]

crosscode

[sonic tangle]

sounds neat but again id wanna become an ultrakill fan first

[mild cloak]

and NO ONE wants to be an ultrakill fan

[sonic tangle]

[normal glacier]

I am on console. I cannot play ultrakill. I still listen to the music.

[lone wraith]

i never understood why people are so afraid of the last mythrix phase

[sonic tangle]

but yeah kirby is 90% 4/4

[mild cloak]

droneman ptsd?

[lone wraith]

even on melee characters you can just kite him around a pillar and wait out the smg

[sonic tangle]

the 6/4 ones are some of my favorites

[placid quail]

Ahem

Halo needler

[normal glacier]

Nah, ultrakill is a pretty alright game to be a fan of

It's stuff like dead by daylight, league of legends, clash royale, etc. where if you're a fan you hate your life.

[sonic tangle]

ig kirby has the marx theme which is famous for changing signatures every 5 seconds

[sonic tangle]

ultrakill has the problem where its so popular its everywhere and i get annoyed

deltarune syndrome

[placid quail]

DbD taught me a valuable lesson:

Never get super into a pvp game

[cedar coral]

LOL

[normal glacier]

Wrong

Team Fortress 2

[cedar coral]

I like dbd but I dont play it anymore

[placid quail]

False….

It has a PvE mode

[sonic tangle]

yeah playing spy was fun today

[cedar coral]

takes too long to get "good" and its WAY too toxic

[sonic tangle]

i gotta play more spy unironically

[placid quail]

But yeah it seems PvP always fosters toxicity and general nastiness

[cedar coral]

ggez

[lone wraith]

ever since i started grinding eclipse i realised how easy this game is ngl

[placid quail]

And it is a corrupting force that makes YOU nasty also

[cedar coral]

idk about easy bro

[cedar coral]

this

[normal glacier]

Sadly can't play real tf2 because a console is not a pc, I don't have access to steam

But I can still make maps for shitty roblox tf2 knockoffs and force the devs of said knockoffs to port the f3x code in

[sonic tangle]

its not overly difficult

[lone wraith]

its all about the target priority and decisionmaking

[cedar coral]

thats why I mostly play pve games

[lone wraith]

you wont die to bullshit if you avoid or kill it

[placid quail]

Did Xbox tf2 ever get a major update?

[cedar coral]

xbox tf2 exists?

[sonic tangle]

gonna play ror2 who do i play

[lone wraith]

false son cuz i want you to fall asleep

i'll play him too

[sonic tangle]

captain makes me wanna fall asleep more

i dont wanna play either of them

[normal glacier]

(Map I'm working on)

[lone wraith]

i love how false son still looks lik ea fucking pre-alpha animation test

[placid quail]

Nah he looks handsome

[sonic tangle]

i heard the roblox tf2 clones are way worse than the real tf2

[lone wraith]

the jump is so goofy looking dude

[sonic tangle]

and by worse i mean they make changes that deviate from tf2 that make the game worse

ive always hated that false son drags his club around

[placid quail]

You try moving gracefully when you’re made out of rocks 😤

[sonic tangle]

makes him look wimpy

[placid quail]

I kinda wish Voidling typed in the chat like the other big bosses

[normal glacier]

Tc2 and era warfare

I don't make maps for them. I make them for tetragon fortress, which while still having balance changes, doesn't change the game for the worst because it's a shit ton of testers deciding what gets changed instead of 1 developer who gets to decide all the balance changes.

Although that's still debatable whether or not the balance has been changed for the best because heavy has a separate slot for his shotgun because you have no reason to run anything other than lunchbox items + heavy is boring as shit without a shotgun.

[little basin]

Angle (that was on purpose): Passive: Wholesome Banishing for every 5 enemy you one shot gain a angel that shoots either a Minigun, Shotgun, and Homing beams (that deal low damage when you shoot only for the stage (caps at 3 increases by 1 every 10 levels) Primary: Holy Aim fires a bullet that goes at light speed deal 200% damage if aimed at a weak point 400% damage (won't proc bands) 1.0 cd secondary: Rejuvention Add 5.0 regen for 3 seconds 15.0 cd Ult: Flight and fight Fly baclwards and upwards in the air and gain three shots that deal 800% damage 1200% damage if you hit the weak points 7.0 cd Special: Heaven's gate a gate appear summoning god and you gain 6 shots that deal 1500% damage or 3000% damage if you aim at the weak points with the final shot instead bring 12 more angels to you

[sonic tangle]

2 backup mags

now i feel stupid for not using stakes

[little basin]

Was writing on this paragraph what do you mean by tha

[normal glacier]

Blue stake is the antichrist

[little basin]

What were we talking about

[normal glacier]

Idk at this point

[little basin]

I got a new topic to talk about 😄

Remove that face discord

[normal glacier]

Whens the last time people debated ion surge vs flamethrower that deals the damage of a peashooter

[little basin]

like early ascess days

[little basin]

But we already know the answer

[terse ferry]

a surprisingly long time ago actually

[normal glacier]

Rorcord is healing? Players finally realized flamethrower sucks?

[terse ferry]

flamethrower sucks vs ion surge is stupidly overtuned

[little basin]

Feed back please btw

[little basin]

Yas

[little basin]

They should buff flamethrower

[sonic tangle]

hi

[little basin]

Red in stage 1

[terse ferry]

flamer is kind of like the skill version of void band actually
it's solid on its own but could use a little more range and you're also taking it instead of the option that's just better

though unlike void band flamer is on one survivor and not all of them

[normal glacier]

Actually, @terse ferry how much has changed about sillymod since I was last active here

What extra bs got added, I must know

[little basin]

Btw they debuff void band

[little basin]

Me too

[terse ferry]

uhhhh not much i think?
i've run out of ideas so far but i might go back to sillypacking soon

[little basin]

Add house if you haven't

[normal glacier]

Fair enough

[terse ferry]

house is boring

m1 simulator 5000

[sonic tangle]

hi

[little basin]

What had my hot take eyes seen

[little basin]

Good run so far

[earnest canyon]

would acrid beat gojo be fr chat

[uneven bloom]

ew are we talking about ror2

[little basin]

Acrid in a loop 100 run

[uneven bloom]

play a good game like white knuckle on steam

[little basin]

Don't say that you lose your job

[normal glacier]

If only void bands didn't suck, I'd love for a band based around procing items rather than just dealing raw damage. Buff the damage a tad bit and give it a significantly higher proc coeff so it actually has a niche even if still worse in the vast majority of situations.

Sadly though vands are only really viable in multiplayer.

[uneven bloom]

i mean do you think the developers actually play the game

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/brass-contraption-risk-of-rain2-ror2-heart-locker-gif-25661833

[little basin]

Not really but they do need to know if the characters are fun so playtesting before the playtesters test

[earnest canyon]

i think he could do it with a death mark tbh

[terse ferry]

the proc coeff is 1.0 isn't it

[normal glacier]

It is I think

Give it like, a 3.0 proc coeff

[terse ferry]

feel like higher than 1.0 vand would be fucking crazy since it's also an aoe pull tool

[uneven bloom]

it can hit multiple enemies and it rolls the 1.0 one time for each that's good enough

[terse ferry]

i'd just increase the radius so it's better at its niche and can proc on more things

[uneven bloom]

it should increase radius on stacking

[earnest canyon]

that would be tuff

[little basin]

And increase the damage to 300% so it can actually compete

[terse ferry]

every time i hear of a vand damage buff idea i have to check the runald's and kjaro's wiki pages becuase their damage values are always higher than i remember them being 😭

[lone wraith]

would vand be really op if it was on 10s timer

[uneven bloom]

i think void band is largely fine outside of not stacking on radius

[little basin]

1Check fire band

[uneven bloom]

normal bands are just very strong

[terse ferry]

it lasts 5s so it would be a 5s effective cooldown

[little basin]

What void band needs is a little something

[uneven bloom]

to be fair the same is also true for kjaros

[lone wraith]

yeah but would that be op

[terse ferry]

i mean it would pretty much be tangling growth with 50% uptime which is like
hold on let me check the wiki

what the fuck do you mean tangling growth is 66% uptime

[little basin]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-brooklyn-guy-im-leaving-now-leaving-bye-gif-26146580

[lone wraith]

because like, regular bands are already pretty run defining so maybe just let the void band be a bit ridiculous as well