ror2-discussion

[sour nest]

Sotv is to thank for goats like delicate watch and mocha, but then it made hunter's harpoon. 😭

[sonic tangle]

trying different effects

[blissful torrent]

watch is surprisingly controversial, i love it but a lot of people here aren't fans iirc

[terse ferry]

shipping request form shuriken scorpion and so on are awesome but laser scope icbm power elixir ducleus and ignition tank are certainly items
that's my opinion on the overall sotv pool

[sour nest]

I'm 50/50 on it. It by all means is a great item, but you fuck up once and you've lost them all.

[sonic tangle]

i like icbm and elixir

[terse ferry]

also those fucking lunars holy shit 😭

[blissful torrent]

i wish power elixir was useful for something other than protecting watches

[old python]

Now I know why people don't like heretic, she's too good.

[vital escarp]

shes boring

[blissful torrent]

eulogy zero is cool at least

[terse ferry]

she is also m1 simulator for the most part

[blissful torrent]

one effect that's actually both an upside and a downside

[terse ferry]

heretic m2 is cool but it has really weird charging

[sonic tangle]

its fine for not dyin

[blissful torrent]

"get more lunars, but you get fewer other items"

[vital escarp]

pretty crazy good
but boring

[old python]

Really? I've been building R and M2.

[sour nest]

I've never played heretic in my life. Mainly just because I never cared to.

Nothing you gain out of doing so.

[old python]

Yea.

[old python]

Why not tho.

[sonic tangle]

bump

[terse ferry]

apparently the charge time -> projectile speed for it isn't linear which makes it really hard to properly get it where you want it to be

[blissful torrent]

you gain heretic's logbook entry if you win with her

[sour nest]

If I'm playing a run without the intention of getting heretic, chances are I wanna play as the class I selected.
If I'm playing a run with the intention of getting heretic, kinda a bad idea since it's just luck based if you do or not.

[blissful torrent]

i feel like most people who enjoy trying for heretic runs are people who cheat in lunars

[old python]

You get her garunteed first lunar if you cough cough use your very legitimate lunars coins.

[cedar coral]

I dislike the negative health regen

[blissful torrent]

which means they aren't considering how rare it actually is

[blissful torrent]

you'll probably be able to find a transcendence while rolling for heresy items dw

[twin rover]

my first ever eclipse win (the polylutes carried so hard i skipped phase 4)

[old python]

Ofcourse I didn't do that and just downloaded a mod because it's a one time thing.

[placid quail]

When do we get eulogy one

[cedar coral]

transcendence on heretic sounds kinda boring

[blissful torrent]

transcendence is broken with heretic because two stacks of strides and you can almost just reset your shield for free

[sonic tangle]

seekah moment

[sour nest]

Probs should do her once then done ig.

[placid quail]

I think there originally was a bug that made her immediately die

[terse ferry]

bazaar as a whole is something i think deserves a rework tbh because lunar coins and shop rerolling are like

imagine if devil rooms in isaac didn't cost hp but instead costed a resource you only get by beating mega satan/hush/another late boss or with a 1% chance from every enemy

[blissful torrent]

i feel like having a meta currency that you spend while in runs is hard to do right

[placid quail]

Society if lunar coins had higher drop rates but expired after the run

[sonic tangle]

✅

[dire sail]

I just like holding onto the coins and only using the for frog

[sonic tangle]

society if lunar coins were a currency that were balanced around saving between stages

and not between runs

[placid quail]

Gif of city burning down

[old python]

Society if lunar coins.

[cedar coral]

you missed a few words

[sonic tangle]

society if lunar coins were shaped like squares instead of circles

[old python]

You're right..
Society if.

[cedar coral]

fair enough

[twin rover]

society

[gentle copper]

the Dreglord

[blissful torrent]

what if lunars were crunchy and you could eat them

[old python]

You already can.

[dire sail]

Dunkin’ Donuts

[spare kettle]

lunar coins taste like antifreeze

[atomic panther]

https://i.redd.it/hwzmcbmtm4wd1.gif

[blissful torrent]

how do you know what antifreeze tastes like suncles

[atomic panther]

See now here's the thibg

[old python]

Mithrix time.

[primal nova]

So basically all the good items

[gentle copper]

someone wasn't invited to the antifreeze banquet

[terse ferry]

Stone flux is good now chat

Also I'd hesitate to call harpoon ducleus braincoat bhaos and laser scope good

[sour nest]

Hunter's harpoon is good now chat.

[terse ferry]

Actually yeah can we talk about how behemoth is just better laser scope and it WASNT the one added in a dlc after the other item 😭

[sour nest]

Scope is one of the red item cases where it's hella good if you fit its requirements, but if not it just does basically nothing.

[sullen wing]

ror2 if it was good

[blissful torrent]

even with 100% crit it's still worse than behemoth

[errant marsh]

Technically not true

[blissful torrent]

proc items proc harder true my bad

[errant marsh]

But only because behemoth doesn't work with 0 proc attacks

[haughty crag]

Are you friend

[terse ferry]

10% less damage if you have 10 white items and in exchange it works on bands and stickybomb

[blissful torrent]

but in terms of the damage the item itself adds, behemoth is a 60% damage increase whereas laser scope is a 50% damage increase assuming you have 100% crit

[terse ferry]

Yes

[errant marsh]

Worth it smh

[sour nest]

How so? I don't see how the items are even really comparable.

[haughty crag]

I always forget that Eulogy Zero and Egocentrism is DLC items

[terse ferry]

We're about to shatter your world I think

[blissful torrent]

crits deal 100% more damage is NOT double damage, it takes your crit damage from 200% to 300% which is only a 50% increase

[haughty crag]

Always thought EZ was a base game item

[blissful torrent]

behemoth adds 60% damage to every attack

and that 60% damage is aoe

[old python]

Won.

Heretic is broken.

[terse ferry]

Here a tick

[sour nest]

Ah I thought that 60% added by behemoth was separate to your actual damage dealt.

[blissful torrent]

the only instance in which laser scope is better is where you have 100% crit cance and are somehow still reliant on proc items for your damage, since behemoth doesn't proc

[errant marsh]

Only sticky bomb and bands pretty much

Behemoth adds 60% to almost every proc item

[blissful torrent]

it is, but since it triggers around the point of impact you're guaranteed to hit the initial target

[blissful torrent]

ykw i never even considered that

[terse ferry]

It's total damage and can hit the initial target as kaypi said
If it was base damage it would

...actually still be pretty okay but definitely be much worse than it is

[sour nest]

Okay so does behemoth's extra damage deal 60% of the damage the hit which triggered it dealt, or is it a flat 60% damage with its own separate scaling?

[blissful torrent]

total damage scales with the hit

behemoth is total damage

so if you hit someone for 2000% damage, behemoth is dealing 1200% damage in an aoe

[sour nest]

Ah okay, so behemoth is pretty much a 60% AOE damage boost.

[blissful torrent]

for a total of 3200% to the initial target, where laser scope would make it 3000% assuming the attack was a crit

[blissful torrent]

exactly!

[gentle copper]

i had a dream i ate an entire bottle of magnesium supplements

[blissful torrent]

also want to point out that alloyed collective shadow nerfed laser scope

[terse ferry]

the hikerrr

[blissful torrent]

hiker's boots makes laser scope less effective

[sour nest]

That makes behemoth miles more better than I previously thought since I figured the damage was seperate, and therefore only really useful for rapid fire classes.

[gentle copper]

behemoth is kinda cracked

[old python]

I had 4k hp.. yeah that's balanced.

[errant marsh]

I'd say its more of a buff because it means it's actually consistently useful now

[sage python]

it doesnt make it less effective it just doesnt work with it how you would expect

[errant marsh]

To a degree

[blissful torrent]

it reduces the usefulness of the item tho

[errant marsh]

Getting 100% crit is way more consistent though

[blissful torrent]

assuming your crit damage is the base 200%, laser scope is a 50% damage increase
if your crit damage is increased through other sources laser scope's damage bonus is worse

[sour nest]

I dislike when ppl completely shit on one item just because it is worse than other. Such as singularity band. Ppl will say that singu band even on its own is a terrible item, when that is just false.

[blissful torrent]

kinda true yea

[errant marsh]

It's worse on paper

[sage python]

its not worse persay

[blissful torrent]

has less of an impact

[terse ferry]

part of me thinks hopoo (and gearbox) didnt even know how crit damage works themselves considering the numbers on laser scope and hiker's boots

[sage python]

its still the same amount of damage as it wouldve been if it wasnt a crit regardless

they just dont work in tandem

[sour nest]

I feel like they should've made it where laser scope's bonus damage scales on top of the hiker boots.

[blissful torrent]

laser scope should literally double crit damage tbh

[errant marsh]

Agreed

[distant lodge]

real

[sour nest]

It is ironically much more complicated the way it functions rn for no reason.

[sage python]

hikers boots just kinda overshadow laser scope

[blissful torrent]

right now it hinges too heavily on a conditional for not enough payoff

[errant marsh]

Because they're broken but yk

[sage python]

i wish hikers boots didnt use scope vfx

[blissful torrent]

imagine if it was like
Gain 10% crit chance. Critical strike damage is multiplied by 2 (+1 per stack).

[sage python]

i dont think they really are

[distant lodge]

peak fiction

[sage python]

its a 5% damage bonus on crit at full charge

[gentle copper]

i love you

[distant lodge]

emphasis on fiction because they are unfortunately probably not going to fo that

[sour nest]

Tbh I don't even know how you're meant to conceptually make lost seer's glasses better.

[blissful torrent]

i think they're fine now that there's an alternate crit source in the item pool tbh

[distant lodge]

you dont

[errant marsh]

The real lost seers buff is deus

[blissful torrent]

before you were only picking up lost seer's lenses on a cope run where you needed some way of killing things, now you have an alternate option for getting crit with hiker's boots so you can justify picking them up more often

[sour nest]

I still don't even think it's that good of an item without even considering lens maker glasses in the equasion since the proc chance is crazy low, and besides I don't really need regular enemies instakilled.

[sage python]

i think lost seers is pretty good

its not superb or anything but it does what it says on the tin well

[distant lodge]

yeah cause once you get a few loops in you just kinda instakill everything anyway

[sour nest]

Lost seer glasses is probs one of my least fav items in the game since I just think crit chance is miles better than an insanely low instakill chance on non-boss enemies.

[blissful torrent]

will say that it's almost always good on bandit

[sage python]

its not super low

[sour nest]

Lost seer glasses is useful on railgunner though. Railgunner doesn't need crit rate.

[sour nest]

Bandit too yeah.

[gentle copper]

to me it feels like it was designed to be like a fun looping item

[sage python]

id rather scrap often

but situationally so ya

[terse ferry]

crit on railgunner would be at least okay if crit damage didn't work the way it does

[terse ferry]

like yeah sure i want 5% damage from my white items definitely

[dire sail]

Had one good run with lost seers as Operator and now I kinda appreciate them. Only reason I didn’t hate it was probably because I didn’t have any lenses anyways.

[blissful torrent]

from my perspective it's the opposite, i feel like it was designed to give you a way to survive in the early stages of a run where you haven't got any good items and you're really struggling

when you've looped you're already instakilling everything

[gentle copper]

this is also valid

[dire sail]

Like void crit on Conduit Canyon was a huge help

[sour nest]

Who has more base DPS between railgunner and bandit? Factoring if you're weakspot shooting as often as possible on both classes.

[terse ferry]

railgunner because she can consistently shoot around once per second while bandit has reload

[blissful torrent]

railgunner i would imagine, her damage is crazy

[placid quail]

Depends on how much you stack desperado

[sage python]

about every 0.7

[blissful torrent]

bandit with 5000 desperado stacks vs level 1 railgunner

[gentle copper]

meet potential DPS!

[terse ferry]

0.733 is the bare minimum i think so i treat it like 1s because human error and all

[sage python]

depends how good you are at lights out

[blissful torrent]

actually true

[sage python]

you dont need to react it though so chances are you can reliably do it

[blissful torrent]

railgunner has consistent dps whereas bandit special gives him very high potential

regardless of which special you choose

[woeful python]

Ultimately doesnt matter bc loader wins the potential damage argument

[distant lodge]

well base bandit would need about 35 desperado stacks to do the same as railgunner base (i think, its been like 8 months since i mained bandit)

[blissful torrent]

loader does not win the "who does more damage between bandit and railgunner" argument

[errant marsh]

Loader isn't even close to highest damage survivor

[placid quail]

Well doesn’t that assume you’re perfectly and instantly snapping to the weak point every time?

[distant lodge]

i dont think that was the question

[sage python]

personally i usually relaod before the visual just as/slightly before the bar overlaps the reload section visual

[terse ferry]

i mean not really
you're gonna have a bit of variance on how early you can do the reload minigame and there's also the very very short scoping time plus however long it takes you to aim if you haven't already pre-aimed perfectly during the reload

[woeful python]

Im just saying if ur inputting the factor of “potential dps” sure bandit might win against railgunner but then almost immediately loses to loader so its kind of a stupid argument to bring up

[blissful torrent]

that's why she was giving 1 second despite reload time being 3/4 of that

[woeful python]

Dude read my reply!!! I was referencing the idea of “potential dps”

[blissful torrent]

bandit wins vs most survivors in the potential damage argument because he can infinitely stack desperado

[dire sail]

No that’s will always be commando to me “wait til you get a proc chain build!”

[sage python]

thats everyone

[distant lodge]

mb

[blissful torrent]

sure loader is good and all but 5 trillion desperado stacks

[woeful python]

Desperado stacks sort of matter less and less overtime though right

[dire sail]

Exactly

[errant marsh]

False son wins potential damage because he can actually do infinite damage

[woeful python]

I mean its linear but because its linear it doesnt scale linearly

[placid quail]

Are we really saying you can consistently snap to the weak point in a third of a second?

[sage python]

you can do it before

[distant lodge]

i... what?

[gentle copper]

loader gameplay wins the lullaby argument too

[terse ferry]

no i'm saying you can consistently do it in a second

[errant marsh]

If you play a lot of fps games you should hit almost every railgunner crit easily

[terse ferry]

reading comprehension girlie 😭

[blissful torrent]

you have a full second to line up the aim, you can move your mouse while reloading

[woeful python]

Each stack matters less than the previous comparative to your base damage

[placid quail]

Weren’t you combining the reload with the aim time?

[sage python]

its not something you need to do reactively, you can get it perfect every time with muscle memory

thats not inhuman

[terse ferry]

fox

[sage python]

ya

[distant lodge]

-# as a representative railgunner main, yes you can

[errant marsh]

✅

[trim spruce]

goog morging

[sage python]

you only need to factor reaction time with reactions

[robust plume]

On one hand desperado is not difficult to stack at all but on the other hand railgunner just gets that shit immediately off rip no setup

[distant lodge]

yeah that makes sense

[placid quail]

Well whoever can actually do that has my respect

[distant lodge]

exactly

[terse ferry]

you cannot seriously tell me that even with muscle memory a real human will always consistently click once every 0.75s or so with zero variance

[woeful python]

Lets be real ur not getting 35 desperado stacks in a game where ur not getting outscaled

[errant marsh]

Railgunner also has supercharged shot which does uhhh

[sonic tangle]

in the sense that this also applies to every other linearly stacking item then yeah

[errant marsh]

Big damage

[terse ferry]

actually heck let me pull up google stopwatch

[robust plume]

Railgunner still wins the potential damage output argument because railgunner does not need extra conditions compared to bandit in order to match that level of power

[sage python]

not with zero, but 0.3s variance is quite high

[woeful python]

Well not exactly but for any linearly stacking item that stacks based on damage yes

[sour nest]

Is bandit generally considered on the higher or lower end of classes viability wise? I'd put it higher end since even without crits, bandit is still pretty damn solid in the damage and movement scene.

[errant marsh]

Lower end

[placid quail]

It just seems unlikely you can consistently land hits like that while also bobbing and weaving to avoid death. But if you can, that’s quite impressive.

[woeful python]

But critboots and critglass for example will always stack completely linear till they reach 100%

[sonic tangle]

i would say lower end

[sage python]

i can get it within a frame or 4 consistently

[terse ferry]

yeah but that also considers aiming time because while you can preaim it's still like

[blissful torrent]

bandit falls off tbh

really strong early but later in the run he struggles a little

[terse ferry]

fine i'll lower it to like 0.85s or something

[woeful python]

For railgunner?? Thats like her whole gig

[sage python]

pretty much everything is done before the input

[sonic tangle]

bandit is great when rushing though

[errant marsh]

Bandit is the best stage 1 character but the way he scales kills him

[placid quail]

Consistently at that speed

[distant lodge]

I CAST 8 PURITIES

[sage python]

the reload has consistent timings and you aim before you scope

[robust plume]

Now I will say, I do believe that loader can honestly compete with railgunner in terms of immediate damage output but railgunner still has to work the least for it out of everybody unless you have Dogshit aim which is perfectly fair

[sour nest]

I've never had bandit's scaling gut him in a run for me yet, is there some kind of scuffed coding of his?

[sonic tangle]

railgunner has much better damage uptime

[placid quail]

So the scope’s center is the same as the normal crosshair’s center?

[sonic tangle]

thats just how his kit is designed

getting killing blows with special is harder with beefier enemies

[pearl summit]

Normal run

[robust plume]

Loader still has some of the highest damage potential but she still has to play by a set of rules while railgunner really only asks you to learn to aim

[woeful python]

Well idk if loader has to do the least in theory but in practice she has quite the learning curve to get to railgunner level damage yea

[blissful torrent]

his kit just functions better at the early stages of a run, it's not a bug or anything

[sonic tangle]

especially since it doesnt work with items

[pearl summit]

Bruh

[sage python]

almost

[placid quail]

I miss the weak points on Lemurians 😎

[errant marsh]

I genuinely think loader is the easiest character in this game

[sage python]

seeker...

[blissful torrent]

lights out becomes harder to get resets with and desperado becomes harder to stack in later stages

[gentle copper]

seeker

[sour nest]

I don't find his special to even be the big part of his kit personally.

I'd say more his movement tool and passive are the best parts.

[distant lodge]

like bandit doesnt really get the negative effects of purities so as long as you get them later in the run you just have no cooldowns, you can fly with the mobility, and no cooldown desperado, its just overall good

[sonic tangle]

his backstabs also become less valuable when other survivors get crit too

[sour nest]

Or even the M2.

[sonic tangle]

bandit cant scale crit

[blissful torrent]

me when i have an atg but 8 purities

[sonic tangle]

or well not as effectively

this and the special make bandit scale worse than other survivors

[errant marsh]

Reminder that atg with 1 purity goes from an effective 30% damage increase to 3%

[robust plume]

Pretty close to what I meant. It can take a while for a lot of people to get the hang of loader, it varies on the individual. But I'm not even talking about that, a good loader still needs to try to build up speed by having knowledge of the stage layouts and having the right timing. You still have to work for it

[placid quail]

I like how bandit immediately has a high fire rate and max crit

Both have conditions but still

[blissful torrent]

true, his earlygame dps is great because he has guaranteed crits but later in the run he isn't benefitting anywhere near as much from any crit chance increases that other survivors would benefit from

[sonic tangle]

oh yeah he also doesnt scale attack speed well at all

[distant lodge]

it allows you to stack purities or other stuff that negatively affects your crit and still crit, if you know how to use bandit good its really good

[sonic tangle]

but this applies to some survivors

[sonic tangle]

thats if you use purity

[sour nest]

I don't really see how that's a downside, he isn't benefitting from crit chance increases because he already has max crit chance to begin with.

[distant lodge]

yeah but why wouldnt you

[sonic tangle]

and lost seers aint quite enough

[placid quail]

Anyway have you considered that bandit has a cowboy hat and railgunner doesn’t?

[sour nest]

Okay that is true.

[robust plume]

It's okay both characters are gay

[gentle copper]

i like playing bandit in multiplayer because then i can let my friends distribute crit amongst themselves and i can lean more into big bursts of damage with my items

[robust plume]

I mean that literally

[sonic tangle]

and yes you can scrap crit and put it into other items but i still find just having crit items easier than going for backstabs later on for crits

[distant lodge]

yeah thats fair

[sonic tangle]

plus that takes time and luck

[sour nest]

I wouldn't really say it takes luck outside of multiplayer due to bandit's movement.

[sonic tangle]

i mean scrapping crit and putting it into other items

[sour nest]

He has invisibility as a movement tool for a reason.

Ahh okay.

[sonic tangle]

not the backstabs

[old python]

Man..

[robust plume]

I do agree bandit's on the lower end but he's closer to the middle for me than most

[distant lodge]

and also knife spam for 500 billion stacks of haemorrage

[dire sail]

Crit glasses on bandit is still good imo since I’ll usually shoot enemies in the front before going invis

[sonic tangle]

also backstabs do get harder to achieve later on anyway

[sour nest]

I still don't really see the crit thing as a downside, in my perspective it's like saying he falls off on crit because he already has more crit than he'd ever need.

[distant lodge]

i spelled that right, right?

[gentle copper]

i NEED scrapping and printing items to be more prevalent in your average run's gameplay

[gentle copper]

hemorrhage

[sonic tangle]

he is balanced with crit in mind while other survivors arent

[distant lodge]

FUCK

[robust plume]

No yeah why would you ever be left wanting for crit on bandit

[sour nest]

Lights out and the attack speed poor scaling I get though.

[blissful torrent]

what onett just said

[sonic tangle]

so if both have crit those other survivors do relatively better with that crit

[robust plume]

True

[blissful torrent]

bandit's damage is balanced around being able to always crit from stage 1 where most other survivors don't have that consideration

[sage python]

its like captain primary, you know when to click so if you learn the timings dont lose dps from human error

[robust plume]

That's a very fair point

[old python]

Left.

[sage python]

with captain if you click early it doesnt register, if you click late you shoot late

same with rg

[terse ferry]

yeah yeah yeah i get it i'm too generous when i try to be

[sage python]

ah ok

[blissful torrent]

it's okay goobessa i take like 1.5s per railgunner shot

[sour nest]

I get that somewhat, but it's not like bandit's DPS without crits is terrible.

[blissful torrent]

and then miss half of them

[placid quail]

It would be nice if you got an indicator when you can shoot again as captain

[sonic tangle]

bandit also lacks raw mobility and invis doesnt cover everything mobility does

[distant lodge]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[old python]

Real.

[sonic tangle]

invis has its own upsides and downsides

[placid quail]

When attack speed gets high the pump animation is not synced in that way

[blissful torrent]

it's not, but it means he's scaling nowhere near as well as other survivors who can get their damage output doubled by crit items

[sour nest]

I'd say invis is actually a very good mobility tool.

[blissful torrent]

(not accounting for crit damage increases)

[sage python]

defo yeah

[old python]

@terse ferry I think I get what you said earlier, classic sniper mod is goated.

[sonic tangle]

it is but its not as good for certain things standard mobility is

[pearl summit]

He gets a double jump and extra speed with his special

[sour nest]

Bandit's invis specifically has a very low cd, boosts his speed, and can be used as an effective double jump or fall damage negator.

[distant lodge]

also it allows you to get behind enemies for the whole backstab mechanic

[pearl summit]

*utility

[blissful torrent]

he gets a triple jump actually 🤓

[placid quail]

Is it a mere coincidence that Bandit, an excellent early game character, is unlocked just by completing stage 3?

[sonic tangle]

yeah

[placid quail]

Yeah probably

[sullen wing]

whos bandit ive never gotten past stage 1

[sonic tangle]

id consider invis a trade

[sour nest]

Probably the intended point of the invisibility part.

[placid quail]

You ever see Brokeback mountain?

[old python]

It is.

[blissful torrent]

yes he just replaced huntress when they made her unlocked at base

[distant lodge]

yeah it is

[sonic tangle]

also railgunner has the same crit issue as bandit but worse

[distant lodge]

hmm who will i play today

[sonic tangle]

since she makes even worse use of crit relatively

[old python]

Artificer.

[distant lodge]

pick a different one

[old python]

Captain.

[pearl summit]

Artificer with the prime meridian skin

[placid quail]

It is easier for Railgunner to crit with smart rounds than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of god

-Mohammed probably

[blissful torrent]

idk honestly i feel like it's a sidegrade, railgunner gets increased damage from crit items whereas bandit gets to frontstab instead of backstabbing

[distant lodge]

why do you do this to me

[sonic tangle]

railgunner still scales fine because of raw damage and how her main weakness is covered by 1 of several items

[old python]

Lmao.

[distant lodge]

i dont have SotS

[sonic tangle]

the crit damage increase is too minimal

[pearl summit]

Monsoon skin

[blissful torrent]

like don't get me wrong crit isn't good on railgunner comparatively to other survs but it still does something

[old python]

MulT.

[blissful torrent]

whereas on bandit if you backstab you're getting literally no value from crit chance

[sonic tangle]

yeah but you arent always backstabbing

[pearl summit]

Railgunner and bandit are so strong because they don't really need crit

[sonic tangle]

overall bandit still gets more use off crit

[blissful torrent]

hence why i consider it a sidegrade

[placid quail]

It’s half the listed value because the math is stinky doodoo

[blissful torrent]

i'm scrapping it on both of them when i get the chance regardless

[pearl summit]

It's a whole item category they can scrap

[placid quail]

You ever get shatterspleen on bandit? Shit’s crazy

[sonic tangle]

except since theyre balanced around critting it means if other survivors get as much crit as they do via items they do worse

[blissful torrent]

tbf i'm also not always hitting the weakpoints so that probably skews my perspective lol

[distant lodge]

yknow what no im playing an acrid run

[placid quail]

I once got shatterspleen and max crit on double nail power mode

[tribal arch]

do you guys think enforcer would be on the dlc?

[errant marsh]

Acrid crit

[placid quail]

Clearly it will be miner instead

[sonic tangle]

i hit weakpoints more than i backstab

[tribal arch]

🙁

[placid quail]

Nobody actually knows

[blissful torrent]

i do not

[sage python]

railgunner doesnt always crit if you go for pierces

[sour nest]

I backstab quite a lot since it does a ton of damage overtime.

[blissful torrent]

railgunner is my worst survivor by far lmao

[placid quail]

Me

[sour nest]

I mean, bandit exiting invisibility stuns enemies so why not just backstab and spam M1.

[sonic tangle]

even then backstab crits are a lot harder to consistently get from my exoerience

especially since sometimes its better to shoot earlier rather than run to a backstab position

[blissful torrent]

as someone who doesn't have an fps background i find backstabs so much easier

[sonic tangle]

i dont either tbf

[blissful torrent]

🤷‍♀️

[placid quail]

I have an FPS background

I just always sucked at them

[sage python]

kinda funny how faulty conductor is just the cherf crit item on railgunner

[blissful torrent]

i can't aim

[sour nest]

I never really find it tricky to get backstabs on enemies.

[blissful torrent]

i'm great at positioning but awful at hitting things

[sage python]

i find backstabs much harder personally

[placid quail]

Except vagrant

[sour nest]

Not even vagrant for me.

[sonic tangle]

backstabs are a lot less consistently applicable

[sage python]

tho still not awfully difficult

love me some smokebomb

[sonic tangle]

if you can see an enemy theres like an 85% chance you can crit them with a weakpoint

[placid quail]

Hmm today I will play bandit

[sonic tangle]

from any range

[blissful torrent]

i can see how railgunner has far higher crit consistency if you can aim... but weakpoints are 1/3 of the hits i get at most

[sonic tangle]

as bandit if you see an enemy facing your direction you either run around it whcih wastes time

[sage python]

i need to learn ac weakspots better thinking about it

[sonic tangle]

or just shoot already which doesnt crit

[placid quail]

Railgunner’s alt scope is much nicer for me

[sour nest]

I find it funny how the game tries to say that bandit is high skill.

[sage python]

most are just the eye tho iirc

[blissful torrent]

with lights out he's pretty high skill tbf

[sonic tangle]

bandit can be high skill in like

[blissful torrent]

not the highest but

[sonic tangle]

a rushing situation

[placid quail]

Only true… if you’re using lights out in the intended way and even then it’s a small stretch

[blissful torrent]

comboing with lights out resets does take skill

[sonic tangle]

lights out rush bandit is quite difficult

[spiral sluice]

Railgunner never really clicked for me until I tried the alt scope. Very fun

[sour nest]

Fair. I'd say he has a low skill floor, decently high skill ceiling.

[pearl summit]

It takes like 2 seconds at most to do that in most scenarios

[sonic tangle]

depends

[placid quail]

I secretly use desperado so I don’t have to deal with lights out juggling

[sonic tangle]

for railgunner it always takes 0 seconds

[blissful torrent]

you can just offload an m1 then run around them while reloading to get the guaranteed crits then

[sonic tangle]

railgunner gets the crits instantly

[blissful torrent]

not when i'm playing her she doesn't 😎

[sour nest]

I don't think light out/desperado are carrying bandit's kit very much since bandit already has very short cooldowns and decently high damage.

[placid quail]

True…

[sonic tangle]

unless its a very specific weakpoint spot thats obscured by terrain

but the cases where bandit cant easily backstab are a lot more common than that

[sour nest]

I do have a little bit of bias towards bandit because the invisibility is by far one of my fav movement tools in the game.

[sonic tangle]

i love both bandit and railgunner

[blissful torrent]

i had a 7 loss streak on e1 railgunner i think i am the pinnacle of bad railgunner players

[sonic tangle]

theyre spicy and fun

[sour nest]

Railgunner's movement is... Strange. It's good movement but I don't like it.

[blissful torrent]

(for reference i cleared it in one or two attempts on almost everyone else)

[sonic tangle]

when im feeling ballsy i pick them

[placid quail]

Does lights out recharge every bonus charge for the secondary and utility?

[sonic tangle]

yes

[errant marsh]

I have a 7 loss streak on false son (the boss)

[placid quail]

Interesting

[sonic tangle]

it makes sadist a lot easier

[blissful torrent]

i love railgunner's kit especially mine jumping but i am so unbearably bad at her

[placid quail]

I just used

[pearl summit]

It's okay that boss is awful

[sonic tangle]

still

[gentle copper]

gloop

[placid quail]

False Son is an incredible boss

[sour nest]

I don't like railgunner's kit much tbh, it feels insanely repetitive.

[sonic tangle]

you can get like 8 backup mags instead of like 15

[errant marsh]

In eclipse yes

[sonic tangle]

railgunner has an engaging loop

[ornate aurora]

he is too easy

[sour nest]

False son is incredibly good at one shotting you. 🔥

[gentle copper]

railgunner rebloated emerging from the heavens like the mercy overwatch gif

[sage python]

railgunner rebloated is really good

[placid quail]

My railgunner loop

Aim

Miss

Reload

Aim

Hit but not the weak point

Reload

Aim

Oops dead

[ornate aurora]

yea lol got oneshot twice on 90 minute runs

[sour nest]

Unironically false son's first stage I'd say is the hardest one.

[ornate aurora]

The weakpoints aint that small

[sage python]

wait actually

[pearl summit]

He's trash altogether, it's just more apparent in eclipse

[blissful torrent]

yes but we can't aim LMAO

[placid quail]

You overestimate my power

[sonic tangle]

eclipse makes false son kaizo

[ornate aurora]

Loll

[sonic tangle]

the monsoon fight is fine if you know what youre doing and have some speed

[blissful torrent]

in eclipse you either cheese him or gamble

[sour nest]

I'm pretty damn good at aiming railgunner but I just don't really like playing her.

I suck at her since I quit every run midway with her.

[placid quail]

Kinda funny how the first phase is the hardest one

[pearl summit]

The stage is also hot ass

[ornate aurora]

what would yall say is the best item for the false son character

[gentle copper]

i was trying out that new umbral mithrix style false son mod and its pretty cool

[pearl summit]

Luminous shot

[sonic tangle]

singular item luminous shot

stacking item probably infusion idk

[sour nest]

Steak. 🗿

[gentle copper]

i got my shit rocked by phase one but i understand what i did wrong too

[sonic tangle]

or seared steak

[sour nest]

Seared steak probs tastes more yummy tbf.

[placid quail]

If you use Meridian’s will and laser burst you truly cannot beat stone flux

[sage python]

@rugged cipher yer should check it out when yer get the chance, i dont think itll be your cup of tea, but its defo interesting for a railgunner rework and pretty high quality

[ornate aurora]

why not stacking luminous shot

[sonic tangle]

its first stack is rhe most impactful easily

[pearl summit]

You should still stack lumi on false son

[rugged cipher]

i might if i think of playing ror2 again

[sonic tangle]

additional stacks are very good on false son but that first stack is the big boy

[pearl summit]

If you ever have the opportunity

[pearl summit]

Such a dumb item on him it feels like cheating

[ornate aurora]

and what would yall say are the best attacks to choose from

[rugged cipher]

im currently making antimatter in a super-critical phase shifter so i dont have the time im afraid

[sonic tangle]

1222

[sage python]

phineas and ferb activities

[sonic tangle]

or 1122

1X12 is also great

[rugged cipher]

indeed

[pearl summit]

The base spikes are better for luminous shot

[sonic tangle]

theyre very similar viability

[ornate aurora]

how do i get a lot of growth with false son

[blissful torrent]

tbh secondary and utility are interchangable depending on preference but laser burst is way stronger than laser of the father

[blissful torrent]

any health increases

[sonic tangle]

steak and infusion

[blissful torrent]

stone flux pauldron is the easiest if you want the achievement

[ornate aurora]

alt

and whaat about higher rarity items

[sonic tangle]

pearls if you can

[blissful torrent]

growth nectar and collector's compulsion too right?

[sonic tangle]

titanic knurl technically helps but like its worse than 2 steaks so lmao

[sonic tangle]

yeah

[pearl summit]

Yeah but the base spike's recharge rate and the fact that you get more makes them way better with lumi

[sonic tangle]

with lumi yeah

overall though theyre very even

[pearl summit]

They're both op secondaries on a busted character tho

[sour nest]

Is there any reason that transcendence keeps you at 1 HP instead of just entirely replacing the HP bar?

[sage python]

probably technical reasons, tho idk

[sour nest]

My only guess is that having no HP is hardcoded to just kill you.

[gentle copper]

the 1 hp is the scarab

my source? trust

[sonic tangle]

stakes are better with backup mags and have some aoe and pierce

[golden linden]

some

[pearl summit]

Backup mags with the stakes feels insane for it being a white item

[sour nest]

Is a backup mag for false son pretty much just +1 growth?

[sonic tangle]

basically

and double that for stakes

[sour nest]

Interesting.

[sonic tangle]

sum

[pearl summit]

False son has so many items that you never wanna scrap it's crazy

[blissful torrent]

it doesn't increase your growth buffs but in terms of secondary charges yes

wait

actually it might do i'm blanking

[sonic tangle]

more accurately its +1 lunar tampering

[blissful torrent]

it does increase your buffs it just doesn't count for protein-heavy diet

[sonic tangle]

without affecting growth itself

[golden linden]

also does not affect lotf duration

[sonic tangle]

yeah anything that scales with growth doesnt care about backup mags

which is a lot of things because phase 3 was a balanced update

[pearl summit]

I forgot lotf exists

[robust plume]

False son is such a bitch to fight dawg there's so much going on

[golden linden]

seems it does

[vital depot]

wouldn’t say he’s incredible but i do usually enjoy the fight more than Mithrix, it’s just that FS’s Phase 1 is still kinda wonky for low mobility survivors

[golden linden]

running speed spikes spent is 12.18, 10 backup mags is 17.26

[orchid sparrow]

Stone flux pauldron is dlc???

I thought it was only light flux pauldron

[vital depot]

They both came in the same dlc

[orchid sparrow]

I could've sworn that stone flux was base game

Crazy

Shows how much I use lunars

[robust plume]

Evil movement check of death and despair

[robust plume]

They did what in the same dlc

[golden linden]

dunno how you got that from the screenshots but yes

[golden linden]

came

hope that clarifies

[orchid sparrow]

It has the SotV icon next to stone flux pauldron indicating it is exclusive to that dlc

[golden linden]

oh my bad I thought you were refering to the one I just sent

[vital depot]

i am straight up devouring a burger rn

[errant marsh]

Who up scaving rn

[copper heart]

Average mercenary run

[robust plume]

I find Mithrix pretty enjoyable but I understand why veterans would get tired of him eventually, he's a pretty well designed boss but he's the definition of the baseline, and all the other final bosses since have merely tried to deviate from that baseline or improve on it. The only boss that's really boring to me is voidling everyone knows it's the worst one, though I do think false son is worse than Mithrix but not by too much. The best ones are Swing and Shart but I don't really know which one really qualifies as a final boss

[golden linden]

i'd say a final boss is one you can get a ending on

[fresh idol]

wise

[golden linden]

can't get an ending on swing, so not a final boss

[vital depot]

Shart i guess would be the final boss, you can officially end the run there

[robust plume]

Technically, the only truly final bosses are Mithrix and Voidling? Arguably only voidling if you have the void dlc installed since Mithrix's isn't obligatorily the last thing you can possibly do in a game if you spend 10 coins to go to the planetarium

[fresh idol]

SHART

[robust plume]

Yes we're calling it that

[placid quail]

Voidling is capital F Final

[golden linden]

nah they're all final bosses

[fresh idol]

SHART😭

[robust plume]

This is official

[errant marsh]

Shart sucks

[placid quail]

Pronounced Suh-heart

[robust plume]

No it's Shart

[golden linden]

technically nothing stopping them to have so you can go back to pV after mithrix to continue the killing lol

[vital depot]

If you were doing a boss rush, Voidling would be the “final” boss, but individually the others are all final bosses

[robust plume]

It's exactly what it says on the tin

[fresh idol]

SHART

[placid quail]

There is no tin can here

[twin rover]

my second eclipse win

[golden linden]

and planetarium ending is a cop out from a non finished ending

[robust plume]

Yeah actually why can't we just go back to petrichor v

[golden linden]

why did we go to the moon

many questions with no answers

[vital depot]

I brought up this idea and someone told me it was fucking stupid and then argued themselves into a hole

[placid quail]

The cut ending implies that voidling is the master of the void which kinda feels dumb

[dire sail]

All dlc endings are lackluster, no cutscenes, just fade to black

[placid quail]

The void is way too vast to have a master you can kill to phantom menace the rest

[vital depot]

This isn’t one of those games where the gameplay and lore are very heavily tied, there could definitely be run continuation after Mithrix if they wanted to add one

[robust plume]

I like the moon ending actually. I like the somber note that it ends on with the final cutscene after the escape. It's a pretty neat emotional capstone that resonates with me since I've known about Mithrix's story and lore

[golden linden]

my best bet is that they didn't want to officialize voidling's death to the deactivation of all void stuff so they can do void stuff later on

[blissful torrent]

THERE IS NO MOON NOW IDK

whoops caps mb

[placid quail]

Silly idea:

You can return to the planet and keep looping after killing Mithrix, but the lack of a moon causes unstable seismic and meteorological activity

[golden linden]

see

[vital depot]

this would maybe be the best reason, if the moon suddenly disappeared then that theoretically should cause some issues on the planet too

[golden linden]

it needs some cooking but gameplay wise, why not

[errant marsh]

What if instead of voidling we got voidzilla who's 200 times bigger

[vital depot]

But i think that could also a good way to make the run continuation post-moon victory even harder

[placid quail]

A planet that existed with a moon for billions of years will suffer greatly if the moon vanishes, dontcha know

[vital depot]

Natural disasters, time limits, higher stakes in general

[golden linden]

minions

we're stealing

the moon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[robust plume]

I like the ambiguity of the deep void ending. Once you are in the void, there is no choice but to go deeper. And who knows what rests at the bottom? Certain death? A true master of the void? Absolute nothingness? One thing's for sure.. it's a one way trip. It serves the concept of something like the void very right with all the eldritch horror flavoring

[old python]

Does tonic affliction go away if I take a different equipment orrr?

[placid quail]

We stole the statue of providence!

....

The small one from the character selection screen

[robust plume]

I do however think the lack of a final cutscene like the scrapped one in the game's files is a major letdown

[golden linden]

big words for something that died to a bullet to it's head

[robust plume]

The voidling probably isn't the master of the void itself. It's in the name, it is merely a child

[placid quail]

Tonic affliction is a chronic condition that requires much willpower and support to overcome

[robust plume]

Also, name something in this game that won't die to a bullet to the noggin

[golden linden]

it's not humans first rodeo

[old python]

I thought it was a chance to either get a mega buff or nerf.. not a permanent nerf lmao.

[golden linden]

they got orbital bases around the sun

[vital depot]

Definitely not, there’s void whales in the background bigger than the Voidling iirc

[bright sundial]

is it just me or all stages that AE adds is SHIT in terms of enemy polls

[golden linden]

they got colonies way over when

[vital depot]

So there’s probably other stuff bigger than it too

[agile kestrel]

Oh my god can steam refund me already this has been on my profile for 3 days now I just want to buy the DLC

[fresh idol]

wtf is AE

[placid quail]

me

[bright sundial]

AC*

[fresh idol]

oh okay

[robust plume]

Genie I will not use my other two wishes. I want this person's refund to be returned one cent a day

[vital depot]

They’re definitely very Solus-heavy

[bright sundial]

im a lil dumb ig
and very damn mad too

[old python]

How many fuel cells to make it permanently on?

[vital depot]

Going back to back AC stages is hell on earth for Artificer at the start of the run, all those goddamn scorchers

[fresh idol]

i take this as a sign for you to get better at the game until you can go deeper into the DLCs

[old python]

Goddamn it.

[golden linden]

3 cells 1 gestures or 3 gestures and 1 cell

[bright sundial]

what about 2 imp Overlords and 25 elder lemurians in one stage?

[agile kestrel]

haha well you will keep wishing

[old python]

What does gesture do again? I have one cell.

[bright sundial]

ik Depths have the same issue but come on

[vital depot]

Incredibly manageable honestly

[agile kestrel]

ive already gotten better at the game😂😂😂

[robust plume]

Anyways the one ending that I think is a cop out is the one if you take the shrine of rebirth. Like. That's genuinely just nothing

[bright sundial]

not when you barely got stuff

[placid quail]

Lower equipment cooldown but it forcibly activates

[fresh idol]

are you playing on monsoon now?

[agile kestrel]

nope

[old python]

Oh thank god.. well then.

[golden linden]

activates equipment as soon the cooldown is over and reduces the cooldown by 0%

[vital depot]

Lemurians shouldn’t be as big of an issue, they’re grounded and if you get closer they stop firing the projectiles, lay down the freeze and let loose on them
Imp overlords are very predictable too

[robust plume]

At least the decompiled ending has like a very cool concept behind it

[blissful torrent]

first stack is half equipment cooldown but then further stacks reduce it by the same amount as fuel cell

[blissful torrent]

reduces the cooldown by 0% would unironically be a more balanced lunar

just "your equipment automatically activates"

[fresh idol]

then keep trying

[placid quail]

I suspect it might just be a special kind of dying since the solus heart goes "haha" when you agree to it

[golden linden]

lunar
balanced

🦂 🐸

[placid quail]

Like you're in the network but your brain is too decompiled to generate consciousness

therefore you're dead

Or you're turned into something so different that it isn't you anymore

[robust plume]

Yeah the guy's tricking you. You could kill it and stop it from growing out of control and doing real damage outside of the collective but it chooses to tempt you with immortality only to turn you into data that can't do anything

[bright sundial]

who thought adding Scorchers into Verdant falls is a good idea, please fire this guy

[placid quail]

I use dissonance so every map can have them

[vapid dagger]

the angles cut me when i try to think

[blissful torrent]

i think you still have consciousness tbh, you're just stuck watching

[robust plume]

Okay yeah the fuck is with the enemies in alloyed collective being so invasive they're like a fucking virus on the spawning pools

[vapid dagger]

so im fine not being a program

[robust plume]

That's even worse

[placid quail]

I like it when endings leave stuff up to interpretation

sometimes a vaguepost is good

[robust plume]

Yeah I do so too, but I do think that there's a balance to be struck

[placid quail]

True...

[bright sundial]

i dont think Gearbox really thought about players when they did this

[robust plume]

You gotta have something to imply and guide interpretation but not explain everything

Which is again part of why I like the moon ending and even the deep void ending so much

[placid quail]

Or you can be scott cawthon and introduce a bunch of convoluted nonsense to explain every iota

[robust plume]

FIVE BILLION TIE IN BOOKS

[bright sundial]

mmmm fnaf-type lore where nothing makes sense

[arctic seal]

honda virus predict

[placid quail]

My favorite car is the honda prius

[bright sundial]

WHO added Scorchers to almost every single stage?

[placid quail]

If anybody gets that reference I will love you

[robust plume]

Oh yeah I have a question if I wanted to make a Risk Of Rain movie and had to pick specific characters to be like, the UES Contact Light crew and the UES Safe Travels crew which ones would be the best choices for each?

We're assuming Acrid is a given on both instances

[golden linden]

acrid is cargo

crew is the denomination for personnel that works in the vessel

[placid quail]

Captain, Bandit, Commando, Mul-T

[golden linden]

be air or nautical

[placid quail]

The dream movie team right there

[robust plume]

Let's say like a group of characters that gets stranded on petrichor V

[blissful torrent]

acrid is crew wdym he's the captain

[golden linden]

bandit is a pirate

[blissful torrent]

captain is just acrid in captain cosplay

[placid quail]

Captain and Bandit are polar opposites who eventually find love, commando is the face of the franchise, and Mul-T can be comic relief

[robust plume]

Not literally the crew, guys, the characters that the movie will be about

[blissful torrent]

the cast?

[robust plume]

Like the survivors, yes

So, contact light cast and safe travels cast

[blissful torrent]

it's just a LOT of commandos

[robust plume]

Acrid would be like the team pet on the contact light and would come back independently for the sequel

[placid quail]

And during the movie the crew does the void fields stuff and Acrid shows up at the last minute to help take down mithrix

[robust plume]

sonic the hedgehog in subspace emissary

[golden linden]

what no

acrid doesn't want shit to do with any with the survivors lmao

[fresh idol]

i would hate this

makes no sense

[placid quail]

🤝

Unlocked by beating the shit out of them

[golden linden]

the bimbofication of acrid

[robust plume]

I know lmao I just have the mental image of commando petting acrid

[knotty canyon]

perfect example of people who have only ever seen marvel movies

[golden linden]

smh

[robust plume]

Never say that about me again

That did psychic damage

[fresh idol]

deserved

[blissful torrent]

marvel movies are boring as hell icl

[knotty canyon]

good

[placid quail]

I hate marvel movies. No stakes! That big snap was almost completely reversed and like one major character died

[robust plume]

I don't even watch the damn things anymore how dare you

[knotty canyon]

i mean tbf if you thought there would actually be any consequences of that's on u

it's comic books baybeeee

[placid quail]

I cant take any of the movies seriously since obviously no other villain is gonna get THAT dangerous

And they found some contrivance to kill that guy too

[golden linden]

acrid's whole thing is so cool

human made chimera crystal shaped lizard survives being dropped inside a cage on an alien planet and manages to survive and just wants to be left the fuck alone

[plush gulch]

how do you maximise momentum before loader's charged punch? it's very slow to charge and it cancels out the grapple iirc...

[placid quail]

Also why the fuck was vision on the front lines

[golden linden]

press run again after you start charging

[robust plume]

It's between the lack of sincerity in the narrative style, the deviations from the source material in precisely all of the wrong places, the mistreatment of several characters in favor of the popular few, the fact that they completely fucking flagellated Spiderman, and just plain bad writing a chunk of the time.

[placid quail]

Oh yes I have the last stone he needs to win so I will just go fight him directly

[golden linden]

also try to aim perpendicularly to where you're hooked

[austere prism]

"And so it left, with delusions of freedom" 😢

[proud matrix]

What yall know about pierce the veil

[robust plume]

They're comic book movies ashamed to be about comic books and they are the embodiment of all that is wrong with the big screen

[plush gulch]

wait what does that do

[placid quail]

Comic thanos: "I want to impress death itself!"

Movie thanos: ".....wait, why am I doing this again?"

[knotty canyon]

makes you sprint

and maximizes your momentum

[plush gulch]

sounds like it would cancel the charging but i imagine not?

[golden linden]

you gain more speed, speed makes you faster, being faster gives charged gauntlet more damage

[austere prism]

nah some abilities you can charge while sprinting

[small gale]

How do I unlock the clover?

[austere prism]

like Arti's m2's

[golden linden]

charging cancels sprint, so you have to press sprint again

[knotty canyon]

activating the ability stops you from sprinting, so you just start up again

[placid quail]

get to stage 20

[golden linden]

20 stages in 1 run

[plush gulch]

well i imagined you would maximise it by grappling right before it, but is that not possible?

[robust plume]

That being said, message received. It is not a good idea to bimbofy acrid

[plush gulch]

or during the charge

[small gale]

Can I do that on drizzle?

[placid quail]

Might as well do it with commando also and avoid lunar items so you can get the grenade achievement

[plush gulch]

i thought i heard that tip somewhere but i didnt know the tech to grapple+charge

[coarse pagoda]

Bbut me like lunar items...

[golden linden]

not a diss on you LOS, but this is quite funny I had to point out

[placid quail]

You can do any achievement on drizzle that does not explicitly ask for a different difficulty

[golden linden]

for sure

[robust plume]

Hey if I'm gonna be biased towards somebody it should be acrid

[placid quail]

Top 10 obliterations in anime

[robust plume]

It's the one motherfucker that's in both games

[fresh idol]

yeah at laest it isn't Loader

Acrid is a good option to glaze

[golden linden]

then glaze it as the real beast it is

[austere prism]

Everyone loves Acrid

[robust plume]

Wait drifter is the same one from returns???

[golden linden]

not as a marketable plushie

[placid quail]

I forget if it's explicitly confirmed but there's a strong chance

[austere prism]

does Acrid just have a weird digestive system

or is it the same as others just with a fuck ton of neurotoxic corrosive pathogenic acid

[placid quail]

Acrid was created in a lab

[robust plume]

Acrid is a genetic experiment. It is a test tube baby created in a lab

[placid quail]

There are none like him

[robust plume]

Poison doggy is not a species

[golden linden]

I can imagine it doesn't even have to eat

[austere prism]

I mean its a living creature so it should have to eat doesnt it as i was typing that

[robust plume]

Do I want to be the asshole that pulls up the list of creatures that don't need food

[austere prism]

subsists off its own acid stuff

[placid quail]

the sun counts as food

[robust plume]

For a lot of organisms it does

[austere prism]

Acrid is... a flower???

[golden linden]

gem

[robust plume]

The unmatched power of the sun

[austere prism]

maybe thats why it wants to be left alone

so it can sit in the sun all day and eat

[robust plume]

I believe the loader hate to be misogyny. In this essay I will

[blissful torrent]

you can charge punch while grappling but you can't start a grapple while charging

[austere prism]

did railgunner shoot you mid sentence

[plush gulch]

oh okay, thanks. that sounds hard as hell but I'll try ir

[robust plume]

God forbid a woman swing around in an 80 foot exoskeleton these days right

[austere prism]

cant grapple while charging? or am i misreading it

[robust plume]

You have to grapple first

If you're already charging you won't be able to grapple

[austere prism]

oh wait do you mean while mid-punch

[robust plume]

Mid charge

[blissful torrent]

while charging the punch you can't initiate a grapple

[robust plume]

Just grapple first and charge after

Once the punch is fully charged I believe you can grapple

But not during the charge

[golden linden]

what

why we lying

[fresh idol]

no she is just a trash character

[old python]

Thank you game.

[opal garnet]

don't forget to get the humble indie bumble that has RoRR for $10

[robust plume]

No argument presented, misogyny will be assumed

[placid quail]

Nobody lies on the internet

[opal garnet]

and other games

[robust plume]

Tf

[fresh idol]

as you wish

[sour nest]

Do the twisted scavengers not count as final bosses?

[spare bobcat]

you replied to the wrong comment, it is clear from your message that you are talking about artificer.

[old python]

Y'all is this a dead run?

[golden linden]

they do for me

[placid quail]

They sure do. They're just often forgotten about since they're early access placeholders

[austere prism]

you got a chance

[robust plume]

Why is it always the women

[fresh idol]

i mean she is kinda terrible but i have a soft spot for her, Artificer w lamethrower is based even tho it's terrible

[coarse pagoda]

Buddy how you in stage 4
For 30 minutes

[austere prism]

theres always a chance

[robust plume]

You guys ain't beating the allegations

[arctic seal]

i had like 24 times you lunar coins

[compact nymph]

[old python]

Like..

[coarse pagoda]

Had?

[sour nest]

I never hear ppl talk about artificier tbh.

[golden linden]

dunno if you saw but you can grapple mid charge

[arctic seal]

gambling

[sour nest]

Is there even any reason to go to a moment whole?

[spare bobcat]

Counts as a full clear

[coarse pagoda]

Dap me up son

[robust plume]

I think there's an achievement

[opal garnet]

I thought something asking you to beat the game/beat the final boss only meant the main ones

[robust plume]

Also way to end the run with a bang instead of just obliterating

[opal garnet]

logbooks

[spare bobcat]

Obliteration without beads only counts as half a clear for bragging rights.

[robust plume]

And log books yeah

[plush gulch]

wait, what? i thought you couldn't

[old python]

I GOT ANOTHER TONIC AFFLICTION.

[robust plume]

Is there not also an achievement for beating a twisted scav?

[coarse pagoda]

Bbbut I get sword man with jump good

[plush gulch]

I'll retry i guess

[old python]

I'm in a race with tonic affliction and the game.

[spare bobcat]

yea you get an unlock, but that's still only half a clear.

[golden linden]

artifact, logs, and lunar coins

[golden linden]

always could

[coarse pagoda]

Ah
Classic
Cuz that always happens to me you know

[blissful torrent]

oh my bad i just misremembered 😭

why isn't there a logbook entry for twisted scav btw

[robust plume]

What if I just wanna see kip kip the gentle

What's so wrong about that

[spare bobcat]

I think they should remove the cooldown from the bands and make it a percentage chance. That way guragura the lucky is actually lucky.

[golden linden]

moment whole talks about them somewhat

[robust plume]

I'm allowed I have free will and a soul

[opal garnet]

time is a flat circle

[spare bobcat]

||shh I've been complaining about that change since they made it and now is my chance to get it reverted||

[upper wing]

good gif

[atomic venture]

happy mask and aegis

[spare bobcat]

two of the best items?

[robust plume]

Is aegis not kinda doo doo

[atomic venture]

i have never seen a happy mask clone do shit

[spare bobcat]

Everyone loves aegis. Everyone wants aegis. Everyone would gladly give up their reds for aegis.

[golden linden]

turbo

[robust plume]

You can debate that happy mask clones can be kinda like drones in their function

Draw in aggro mostly

Though drones now are way better

[austere prism]

I dislike happy mask still cause of that one time my run ended due to ghost dunestrider

[opal garnet]

aegis is a synergy red except the synergy is something no one really cares about AND it doesn't do damage

[coarse pagoda]

All ma homies fw aegis

[spare bobcat]

Mask symbionts are great at killing you. Mask vagrants are great at killing everyone.

[blissful torrent]

aegis is a synergy red that takes too much item real estate to get value from

[terse ferry]

it is also bad at the synergy

[atomic venture]

you can 100% get a drone with money
but you can get temporary clone with decreasing hp, and chance is also low!

[robust plume]

Wait you can die to your own ghosts??

[austere prism]

Aegis I sometimes? like but its also the thought of "could have been any other red"

[blissful torrent]

just dunestrider

[robust plume]

WHY IS IT ALLOWED TO DO THAT

[blissful torrent]

or ig if you had ghost void enemies

[old python]

Consequences of drinking tonic ig.

[spare bobcat]

The ones that do team damage, yes.

[errant marsh]

Grandparent

[austere prism]

cause dunestrider sucks

[coarse pagoda]

RISK of rain 2
YOU GOTTA RISK
INVEST IN YOUR AEGIS STOCKS

[austere prism]

unintentional pun

[blissful torrent]

i thought grandparent sun only applied burn to its enemies?

[errant marsh]

Nope

Allies too

[coarse pagoda]

Silly

[austere prism]

grandparents just brun everything

[opal garnet]

grandparents are my favorite weapon on sky meadow

[fresh idol]

its EVERYONE

[coarse pagoda]

Idk if y'all know this but grandparent is not the oldest in the family

[austere prism]

I do remember a couple grandparents mountain shrine tele activating the sun all at once

[terse ferry]

monsoon

[austere prism]

and then everythin else was dead aside from them

[austere prism]

unmatched power of the sun

mithrix shielding his eyes everytime one of those fucking grandparents summons a tiny star

like glint from a sun

[coarse pagoda]

My primary has no effect on you?
Who decided that

[dusty smelt]

Has someone an idea of when the new dlc will be coming ? (Idk maybe if we look at the other dlc and when announce trailers droped)

[modest relic]

I theorized around october bc halloween

But there's no set date yet so

[dusty smelt]

Yeah seems possible, Thanks

[old python]

I died.

After 6 tonic afflictions.. shouldve restarted tbh.

Welp.

[real wolf]

Does attack speed affect the refresh rate of operators primary charge

[golden linden]

yes

[ornate aurora]

I got 40 spikes with false son but didnt unlock his alternative secondary

[golden linden]

you need 44

[ornate aurora]

I got em all with growth

why is that

[golden linden]

it's 40 extra from base

[ornate aurora]

do I just have to have the growth for em or do i have to wait for 40 cooldowns to load

[golden linden]

just gotta have them with growth

[ornate aurora]

so i dont have to wait for 40 to load

[golden linden]

yup

[ornate aurora]

alr thanks

[golden linden]

np

[blissful torrent]

backup mags also do not count

[arctic seal]

is bro him

[ornate aurora]

yea I already knew about that but thanks

[ornate aurora]

yea trust

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-kira-yoshikage-hayato-gif-10434153823887877631

bruh why aint the gif loading

[knotty canyon]

there's no gif perms here

[ornate aurora]

ah kk

holy loadout (dont mind the shitty stuff i accidentally used a shrine of order

[terse ferry]

17 wax quails seems like it would be really funny if not for the pauldrons

[ornate aurora]

yea 17 quails where the only thing that saved me from the two lunar thingys rlly

but i think having this is better than the item where u get xp instead of coins especially cuz im using command

im moving slower than a snail

yessir i got it

now lkets try clapping false sons booty with this build

[vapid dagger]

bobms

[ornate aurora]

ur using the cube?

[worldly haven]

yes, invest in them aegussies

[vapid dagger]

i like the cube

[ornate aurora]

mhm

[arctic seal]

all in

[vapid dagger]

airstall from something that isnt my utility is pretty cool

[ornate aurora]

les go see what happens

Bro freaking has 1.5 million hp

[vapid dagger]

why is he flying?????

[old python]

Sighhhhh.

[worldly haven]

what :3

[blissful torrent]

why aren't you?

[ornate aurora]

yea why aint u flying

[vapid dagger]

i have to draw the line somewhere

[ornate aurora]

okay so sadly i didnt oneshot false son but it "only" took me 10 minutes to defeat him XD

[old python]

I just realised you're AC.

Have only ever seen you with the other pfp.

[vapid dagger]

i just find it strange that i seem to keep finding MORE wrong with the modern version

[ornate aurora]

1 to 10 rating of this run that definally was not supposed to take this long and did NOT suppose to end this way

[agile kestrel]

it is very amusing that you assume that just because someone does not play on monsoon specifically it means they are not good

[ornate aurora]

HOLLY SHEET

yea what did i expect when using glass and honor artifact I got oneshot

[dire sail]

Monsoon is how you unlock skins tho right?

[arctic seal]

best item to give to rebirth

[ornate aurora]

with bow girl

[ornate aurora]

id say halcyon seed

[arctic seal]

did bro drink redbull

[blissful torrent]

i mean, if you want to play on monsoon but don't feel ready to yet then i agree with them that you should keep trying, if not it's just there as an option should you want a challenge 🤷‍♀️

[arctic seal]

also sbr is so peak

[agile kestrel]

I dont need to play on monsoon

artificer is simply that goated

[blissful torrent]

okay so when you were telling everyone you found monsoon impossible to win on and people were defending you yesterday you were just lying?

[agile kestrel]

sleeper build😎😎😎\

[worldly haven]

it's impossible to win on something if it doesn't feel like winning bc it's too easy

[vapid dagger]

why are we still here?

[ornate aurora]

just how

[blissful torrent]

they were saying it was too hard compared to rainstorm

[thorn geyser]

guys do u have any tips for bandit i want to beat the collective

moonsoon difficulty

[vital depot]

just saying shit like

“Try playing Monsoon but make it unreasonably more difficult than base Monsoon and that’s why it’s poopoo dogshit”

[ornate aurora]

Get 150 magazines and slice his cables liek a champion

[thorn geyser]

how i am getting 150 magazine lol

[terse ferry]

and it should be specified that they were so adamant about it that it got them extremely heated for around 30 minutes to the point where they were antagonizing everyone in chat that spoke to them

[worldly haven]

damn, so it's nothing philosophical, just a pathological liar

[ornate aurora]

comand artifact and get the scanner item then waste some time on this game

[agile kestrel]

dragging it atp

[thorn geyser]

i dont wanna play a lot because my pc gets laggy

[coarse merlin]

Simply use the spreadsheet technique

[agile kestrel]

me when i take one singular sentence someone said out of context and act like that determines their entire worth as a person and wil forever represent them for the rest of their life

[thorn geyser]

any faster method ?

[sweet ridge]

me when

https://tenor.com/view/part4-jojo-jojos-bizarre-adventure-kira-kira-yoshikage-gif-14453363

damn

[ornate aurora]

I think 20 magazines are enoug too then go for 100% crit and the red iterm that gives more crit dmg Magazines arent too neccesary