ror2-discussion

[sage python]

chat, the meower is here !!!!

[round sandal]

Yeah she is

[round sandal]

I’m about to work here soon

[flint vortex]

censoring when

[vapid dagger]

that went reasonably well

[round sandal]

I’m proud of you pookie !!!!

[round sandal]

They will NEVER censor the meower

[molten hound]

im gonna grab someone and put them back down 5682 times

[flint vortex]

istg if my potential employer does NOT every respond to me (they interviewed me and said they would hire me in late april)

[round sandal]

I’m gonna hug you

[molten hound]

im so brainrotted i read "potential" and thought of the fucking void potentials

[quasi lance]

I recently made the main SOTV art but crunchy pixel art (now in #ror-art-and-content) but im doing sots now and i dont think i can the image is so empty without the logo

[flint vortex]

no no thats fair

[quasi lance]

Chat whats wrong with this image

[arctic seal]

i wonder

[flint vortex]

is that the mithrix arena

the false son arena?

[north jungle]

using the wrong skin

[flint vortex]

that too yeah

[quasi lance]

MARKSMAN IS A GOOD SKIN 😭

[golden linden]

the colossus island isnt there

[round sandal]

I don’t see the flying silly

[north jungle]

no

[flint vortex]

worse railgunner skin btw

[round sandal]

Omg I got it right

[quasi lance]

Theres no birdsharks! I killed them all 🙂

[round sandal]

I’m gonna meow in celebration

[flint vortex]

meow

[round sandal]

Meowwwwww

[flint vortex]

haha i did it first

[round sandal]

:(

[spare saddle]

wow, thats mean
sorry i had to

[flint vortex]

im sorry :(

[round sandal]

Who is this meower individual

[iron palm]

I don't see how, all it does is slow enemies and projectiles
Slowing enemies wont matter in melee range and blocking projectiles > slowing them

[round sandal]

They seem very awesome and pretty

[harsh crater]

You monster

[frozen moss]

🤨

[flint vortex]

is ror2 still on sale

[lone wraith]

you can just like, check yknow

[molten hound]

do you not already have the game?

[round sandal]

:3

[quasi lance]

Polar field would be cool if it lasted very long or forever until you use it again

[round sandal]

I don’t know

[flint vortex]

i do have it i have all the currently available DLCs

[round sandal]

I have dlc5

[frozen moss]

Why dont we just... check steam?

[round sandal]

[frozen moss]

Huh

[languid crystal]

is marksman the sniper callback skin or is it the sots one

[molten hound]

im going to detonate you with a BOMB

[flint vortex]

its the purplehead one

[frozen moss]

What did I do? 😭

[round sandal]

Said huh to me

Warlock is my bodyguard

[frozen moss]

Huh

[flint vortex]

my cat is so geeked out rn

[languid crystal]

thats a sniper callback from ror1 aka the best tho cause sniper is the best survivor

play rorr

trust, sniper>railgunner

[flint vortex]

i will only ever purchase risk of rain returns to play drifter

[languid crystal]

purchase it then to play drifter

[frozen moss]

WE GET IT

[round sandal]

They call me the dwifter

[frozen moss]

STOP REACTING 😭

[flint vortex]

false, they call you the meower

[round sandal]

Never had use for a name

[round sandal]

Making a deadlock reference

[flint vortex]

@molten hound STOOOOP

istg im gonna get you timed out

[harsh crater]

Pregnant man emoji

[molten hound]

straights up not boogie style.

[round sandal]

Can we bacon react everythinf

[frozen moss]

🙏

[round sandal]

YAY

[flint vortex]

no boogie is a pretty good unit, not as good as smth like manic mohawk though

[frozen moss]

Battle cats reference!!!!

[flint vortex]

at least 3 people in this server know ball

[coarse merlin]

I played the first campaign of battle cats and a little of the other stuff

Then got bored from the gacha mechanics

[flint vortex]

you know a little ball

[molten hound]

evil conversation spliter of doom.

[coarse merlin]

Splinter*

[quasi lance]

Im bored of 👀 reacting

[frozen moss]

ahem
Nuh-uh

[potent marten]

Being negative is banned in this chat ig

[flint vortex]

HELLO MR BALL KNOWER

[molten hound]

didnt you get banned?
wait not that was ganymede

[spare saddle]

then how are toy still here

[potent marten]

Now what would I get banned for

[flint vortex]

ganymede got banned?

[molten hound]

yurp

[potent marten]

Average mod L

[spare saddle]

hating on the meower

[potent marten]

Alr that’s deserved tho

[spare saddle]

thats pretty negative

[flint vortex]

so did the deceased racist person

[molten hound]

what

explain i do not remember this

[flint vortex]

the person with deceased racist in their name

[frozen moss]

The mower

[potent marten]

Hello gelato bros

[molten hound]

ohhhhhh

[molten hound]

for why

[flint vortex]

idk apparently for being too silly 😭

[agile kestrel]

Holly cannoli artificer with iron surge is a beast, they can never get hit by flying through the air like a dragon

[potent marten]

Should be made into a positive thing

[molten hound]

like off topic silly?

[potent marten]

Like a recreational activity

[terse sedge]

You are evil, i know it

[spare saddle]

no, no it shouldnt

[agile kestrel]

wdym evil

howm i evil

[potent marten]

Yes it should

[terse sedge]

Bc you are, you smell like someone that is evil

[flint vortex]

idk all the info i had is "SO FUN SO SILLY get outa here"

probably getting banned for saying a ban message word for word

[molten hound]

so the mods just banned them for 0 reason?

[flint vortex]

idk probably not

[terse sedge]

Right? @potent marten

[golden linden]

you can just search their name

it's not hard to do your own research

[terse sedge]

Yes it is

[potent marten]

Sounds about right

[golden linden]

grok make research

[arctic seal]

what happened gang

[flint vortex]

sounds about wrong actually

[potent marten]

@grok

[arctic seal]

anyway the glorpo guy is here

[agile kestrel]

its probably my perfume

[arctic seal]

[potent marten]

What

[flint vortex]

grok its time for your little brother gork to take over
-# iykyk

[terse sedge]

Idkkk, you were pretty stinky

[potent marten]

The guy that called me mentally ill cuz I didn’t like Toby fox games?

[molten hound]

dont remember their full user

[terse sedge]

@potent marten

[agile kestrel]

hey man the kill time was like a beast

artificer is best survivor

you can never get hit by flying in the air forever like a flying bird who flies

[flint vortex]

so either be mentally ill from liking toby fox games or be mentally ill from not liking toby fox games

[spare saddle]

youre using ion surge right?

[agile kestrel]

yes

[spare saddle]

good

[potent marten]

It’s a lose lose situation

[agile kestrel]

for infinite air time. what is a beetle going to do if i am in the air

[flint vortex]

its actually a meh meh situation

[agile kestrel]

not even the elder lemurians or magma can get me

[potent marten]

Yea

[potent marten]

What I do

[agile kestrel]

with iron surge i am invinicible

[terse sedge]

Call them stinky

[agile kestrel]

and then some

[potent marten]

@agile kestrel you’re stinky

[agile kestrel]

that one gif of mario looking at his phone sadly

[molten hound]

🪚

[spare saddle]

too far
mods remove his organs

[molten hound]

@plain narwhal im scared please rip them to shreds

[flint vortex]

pinging gearbox is STILL wild

[molten hound]

the account is always offline, they probably only made it to make the discord

[golden linden]

hopoo made the discord

[terse sedge]

Jaybe, or jaybe not

[golden linden]

the ownership now is @plain narwhal

[molten hound]

they havent responded
Im so sad

[flint vortex]

two bee ore knot too bee zat ees ze question

[flint vortex]

i need a funny pun for my name that is ror2 related

current closest thing is "Heguptera Shadow Realm"

[lone wraith]

quite the funny pun. bet you think youre funny. youre not cool. im blocking you.

[flint vortex]

ok?

[lone wraith]

1 blocked message..

[flint vortex]

ok

[lone wraith]

1 blocked message..

1 blocked reaction..

[lone wraith]

1 blocked sticker..

[flint vortex]

woulda shown as just one blocked message i think

[lone wraith]

no it wouldnt also 1 blocked message

[gentle copper]

34 blocked messages

i blocked all of u.

[flint vortex]

5 blocked braincells

[spare saddle]

even me? 🥹

[gentle copper]

not you Irradiant Shrimp

[potent marten]

Yes

[lone wraith]

50 blocked veins in my body

[gentle copper]

i love you.

[spare saddle]

😊

[lone wraith]

help

[potent marten]

Grey glazers deserve it

[flint vortex]

30 blocked loader/drifter/acrid/bandit haters

[gentle copper]

i despise loader

snorefest character

[flint vortex]

death upon thee

[flint vortex]

arguably one of the fastest paced characters btw

[gentle copper]

yeah puts me to sleep pretty damn fast

zzzzzzz

[flint vortex]

we ARE talking about loader and not railgunner right

[gentle copper]

time to charge up my third ability and hit this..... hit this....... snoooooore zzzzzzzz

[flint vortex]

this is ragebait right

[gentle copper]

🛌

[flint vortex]

yo block blast had to cheat at block blast for a block blast ad 😭

[gentle copper]

railgunner ? im locked in.
false son? im having a great time.
seeker? im awake at least

loader? out like a light.

straight counting bison

[undone gorge]

i saw that one, kinda funny

[gentle copper]

hitting the hay. out here in my nightgown and my cap

[flint vortex]

railgunner? not locked in
false son? even worse
seeker? im awake yeah
loader? YEAHHHH
drifter? YEAAAAAAAHHHHHH
acrid? YEEEAHHHHH
bandit? less yeah but still YEAHHHH

[gentle copper]

drifter and acrid are absolutely YEAAHHHH tier i will give you that

[spare saddle]

im just imagining you with like a trucker hat that says some stupid shit on it

[flint vortex]

note how many Hs each yeah has

[gentle copper]

my favorite survivor is bnadit

[gilded tartan]

Fish fear me

[flint vortex]

best ranged survivor yeah

[gentle copper]

i like him because he has a knife and can turn invisible just like me

[spare saddle]

spy tf2

[flint vortex]

i am going to gut you like a cornish game hen

[pure axle]

i cant believe team fortress copied risk of rain 2

[spare saddle]

how dare they

[gentle copper]

valve has never had an original idea in their lives

they stole left 4 dead from helldivers

[flint vortex]

i got the name change down

[pure axle]

in half their lives

[flint vortex]

they stole borderlands too

oh valve not gearbox

[spare saddle]

they stole overwatch from deadlock

[gentle copper]

they stole overwatch and league of legends and Shadows of Evil from COD zombies and made it into one game

[flint vortex]

the borderlands movie is such a copy of the game 🙄

[gentle copper]

evil scumbag company...........

[pure axle]

they stole epic games from steam

[spare saddle]

that movie dont exist

[flint vortex]

yes it does :)

[spare saddle]

nope

[pure axle]

the borderlands movie is the telltale borderlands game

[spare saddle]

there is no sequel to pacific rim
there is no borderlands movie
and there is no dragon ball live action movie

[golden linden]

thanks for reminding me of hearing the gipsy danger theme again

[spare saddle]

it always plays in my head when i enter and exit the ocean

[gentle copper]

but when you're piloting a jaeger
you can fight the hurricane.
you can win.

[golden linden]

chills

[gentle copper]

i love that movie with all my soul

[spare saddle]

the world is coming to and end
so where would you rather die
here or in a jaeger

[golden linden]

reset the counter

[spare saddle]

god i need to rewatch Pacific Rim

[molten hound]

what is up my SLIMES

[spare saddle]

the ceiling

[flint vortex]

didnt you do that less than 24 hours ago

[molten hound]

lemme check

yea no im in the clear

[flint vortex]

ok

[spare saddle]

nah you said it at 22:35 yesterday
and 22:06 today
less than 24 hours

[flint vortex]

mods kill him

[tough basalt]

I saw a video of apparently kanye wests steam account being leaked and it showed he had 170/170 achievements in risk of rain

😭

[molten hound]

fuck my brother told me about that and i thought he was lying

[flint vortex]

kanye better than me at ror2 🫩

why is the bag eyes so ass on discord

its so good on apple
and then its just this

[errant marsh]

Mithrix died really fast

[flint vortex]

i lowkey need a ror2 run where i just stack ap rounds

and uh

uke

[golden karma]

Hey quick question, how good are on hits on artificer? Got offered electric boomerang and runic lens as the free reward on prime meridian and im not sure which one to take (or whether to scrap my meat hook into armor piercing rounds)

[molten hound]

runic id say

[golden linden]

console?

[molten hound]

also with the meathook, if your gonna continue the run, keep it, but if your ending with rebirth, get the aps

[errant marsh]

Yes

[golden linden]

cool

[golden karma]

I'll be going to AC so I'll keep it then, thank you

[flint vortex]

and uh frost relic
and uh mired urn
and uh safer spaces and plimp and pluri
and uh 500 transcendence

[raw silo]

you're forgetting

[flint vortex]

no

[raw silo]

ok

[flint vortex]

i got everything i want

[undone gorge]

Polylute is good

[flint vortex]

yeah but i like uke more

[raw silo]

I was going to offer you a real life energy drink so the run can last 8 hours

but i have been denied.

[flint vortex]

yeah i dont want an 8 hour run

[raw silo]

I curse you with an egocentrism.

[flint vortex]

nope only transcendence

i will run command

[raw silo]

God imagine the amount of pearls from a cleansing pool for that.

[earnest canyon]

play risk of rain sexy style

[oblique ocean]

finished out Merc in one run

[raw silo]

Acrid?

[earnest canyon]

artifact of circle

[oblique ocean]

artifact of chests mod

they dont have a special picture for some reason it just adds 2x, 4x and 6x the chests

[earnest canyon]

longstanding solitude is so fucking broken bruh

[earnest canyon]

thats a lotta chests

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[oblique ocean]

i only had 2x and 6x on and yeah

[raw silo]

Listen. Acrid players? Sexy. Sorry to drop this truth bomb upon you.

(I don't play acrid, I'm ashamed.)

[earnest canyon]

girlfail

[oblique ocean]

78% of the achievements got

[bitter steppe]

🍞

Gentlemen

[raw silo]

Did I just get called a girlfailure?
Guess I'm a girl now, that's new....I accept my fate.

I'll just do the tomodachi life cute pose randomly, now.

[terse fossil]

first captain e7 game

also 2 eclipse wins in one day lmao

[raw silo]

Congrats. Cap'n I struggle with on eclispe.

[cedar coral]

get 7 hours sleep guys

[raw silo]

no

[terse fossil]

sl**p

[molten hound]

s***p

[terse fossil]

censor this word next time please

[cedar coral]

zip it chibi

wait say that again

[golden linden]

schleep

[raw silo]

✅

[terse fossil]

you're gonna get slimed by mods bro don't spam

[molten hound]

i was testing something, but ya you right

[cedar coral]

because this is how you play on 5 hours

[spare saddle]

that again

[cedar coral]

took way too long to send

[molten hound]

sand

[raw silo]

❌

[molten hound]

this mf seriously playing with alt util

[errant marsh]

Alt util is good

[cedar coral]

people don't?

[molten hound]

its shit movement

[errant marsh]

Bad map traversal but good for combat

[iron palm]

Yes because 3 super jumps that spray oil everywhere is so bad

[raw silo]

I don't!
because i suck and dont have it unlocked

[cedar coral]

my timing is shit on it

[golden linden]

oil spill my beloved

bouncing on it grease style

[errant marsh]

Oil spill is great for damage with sear or amazing for freeze chaining

[molten hound]

i get to move fast with the normal one

[errant marsh]

Such a bad ability smh

[molten hound]

i use yes chef

[iron palm]

And with the alt one you move fast upward

[molten hound]

with normal you get increased jump height, not to mention you can use objects as a ramp

[primal siren]

best stage 1 or what

[molten hound]

only 1 drone holy guacamole

[iron palm]

One isn't better than the other

[upper wing]

hi people

[iron palm]

Situational
You can jump 3 times with oil spill

[molten hound]

hi person

[cedar coral]

you called

[upper wing]

i was thinking about 100%ing a new ror2 save

[iron palm]

And it acts as a double jump and cancels fall damage

[cedar coral]

aw man wrong username

[errant marsh]

Oil spill lets me cheese false son with freeze

I LOVE oil spill

[cedar coral]

how does one time oil spill

[molten hound]

i HATE oil spill

[iron palm]

What

[spare saddle]

do it without dying

[molten hound]

WHAT

[errant marsh]

Press it just after hitting the ground

Shrimple

[iron palm]

Do it after you hit the ground

[molten hound]

did this guy just reply to a message that was sent after?
what the freak

[spare saddle]

wrong reply
chat moved and i hit reply to the wrong thing

[iron palm]

He deleted his message

[plush gulch]

i just watched race's macro itemization video. sounds good in theory but wouldn't waiting to pick up items until you've scoured the entire map for recyclers n stuff slow you wayyyyyyyy down and fuck up your scaling?

[molten hound]

hi vietcongbongdong

[plush gulch]

greetings to ye

[spare kettle]

stage scaling is way worse than time scaling in ror2

[spare saddle]

hello suncles

[spare kettle]

unless you're taking forever you're almost always better off full clearing

[spare saddle]

did you have a good day today?

[earnest canyon]

holy shit its the inventors of risk of rain

[golden linden]

somewhat, a good reminder is that race plays with the umbral mithrix mod, which requires a lot more foundational resources to get a win out of a run

furthermore, it's up to you to decide how much you can invest on the stage macro, but the time scaling won't ever get bad because the gameplay that the game requires from you to overcome it is the same

[plush gulch]

i'm not saying not to full loot, I'm saying that waiting to pick up items until you have scoured the map for all equipment in search of credit cards and recyclers sounds like it would add even more time loss than even full looting

[golden linden]

strafing and shooting

[tropic glacier]

I HAVE AWOKEN AND BRING SOME MORE PEAK

What also do i draw lmao

[spare saddle]

throw that in art chat

[coarse merlin]

Feels like you could design an entire survivor out of any combination of 2 Ultrakill weapons

[molten hound]

suncles you must inform me
will i still get muted for slimeposting more than 1 a day

[earnest canyon]

i kinda agree but that guy is much more cracked than me so what do i know lmao

[plush gulch]

so the benefits are ambiguous without umbral mithrix, you mean?

[earnest canyon]

my runs have been better just rawdogging it and makin it work tbh

[iron palm]

Mithrix getting ratio'd

[golden linden]

you see, the time spent on a stage is on 2 facets for me

-the time it takes to go to every piece of loot
-the time to get the amount of money to buy said pieces of loot

[tropic glacier]

Nuh uh

[molten hound]

mithrix and providence dapping up

[tropic glacier]

Hell yeha

[plush gulch]

i mean yeah obviously im not saying its a bad strat, bro is a god among men. im mostly trying to understand how the positives outweigh the negatives

[golden linden]

the latter is one that will reach it's limit, but you will deal with it for at least 5-8 minutes per stage on the average, more on stage 1 because of the 300 extra you need for halcyon shrine

and the former will lead you to always be around a chest while waiting for money to come your way

[iron palm]

Is halcyon shrine even worth the absurd money and time investment bruh

[earnest canyon]

increasing odds. leaving stage with good items > leaving stage fast

[golden linden]

if you have your maps layouts figured out, looting will always take the same average amount of time

[iron palm]

I only do it if it's near tp

[golden linden]

I'm at low odds to discuss this one with you

[iron palm]

Cause I can just funnel the tp money into charging them both at the same time

[molten hound]

obviously

[golden linden]

I'll just say yes and focus on the topic I was

[molten hound]

3 items with a high chance of getting a red AND you get to choose from 5

[plush gulch]

yes in the very beginning of a stage there's no downside i suppose. but like if you dont have a lot of mobility items the former will still vastly prevail

[iron palm]

It has higher odds for red items?

[golden linden]

then it's up to you to recognize the need for the resources

I'm in a position where I know I will win every run I play if I just full loot

[molten hound]

pretty sure its 5 small chests, with a tiny bit lower white chance

[golden linden]

race plays with quality which has a 25% increased scaling

[molten hound]

lemme check the chances actually hol up

[golden linden]

and has to build for umbral mithrix

so there is a higher necessity for resources

and more importantly, he enjoys the process

if you watch his streams you'll se he dies on runs too, quality scaling will get to you

[fresh scarab]

a fully charged Halcyon shrine will give you a choice between 5 items, 3 of which will always be SOTS items which are notoriously strong

[golden linden]

and umbral too if you don't have the basics

aka good speed and vertical mobility

[earnest canyon]

fine guys ill play a run

[iron palm]

For 300 gold though? Thats like more money than looting the entire rest of the stage combined

[fresh scarab]

that means Sale Star, Chance Doll, Chransion, etc

[molten hound]

chances from the wiki

[fresh scarab]

those are better odds than chests

[iron palm]

Plus the time investment plus the gilded halcyonite

[golden linden]

it's a minute extra for syphoning the gold

[iron palm]

Hmm I see that explains a lot

[golden linden]

for 3 high quality items

[molten hound]

its quite quick actually, and the halc isnt that hard if you know how to deal with it

[molten hound]

why he geen

[tropic glacier]

Cus why not

[iron palm]

Ok well one more question then

[fresh scarab]

when you low roll halcyon shrine, it’s not the end of the world because at least you made sure you didn’t lose out on a really good item

when you high roll? that might just make your run

[iron palm]

Do you still fully loot the rest of the stage

[golden linden]

yeah

[fresh scarab]

you always full loot

[golden linden]

I always do

[iron palm]

Cause that shit gonna take 10 minutes

[golden linden]

that's fine

[iron palm]

Aight then

[tropic glacier]

Discord sniper 💔

[iron palm]

I'll try it next time

[golden linden]

if you have like 150 money going into the shrine, the golem spawns plus the stuff that spawns during it will get you to the full 300

[molten hound]

i always full loot

[tropic glacier]

Your bio just cuts off so fucking suddenly lmao

[fresh scarab]

the power of good items will always outscale the difficulty

[round sandal]

Meows a little

[tropic glacier]

Dam

[molten hound]

meower is HERE

[tropic glacier]

EVERYONE GET DOWN

[errant marsh]

Did you put that in your bio to try and kill people

Evil bastard...

[fresh scarab]

no

that’s for The Sprongler to do

[errant marsh]

The more operator I play the higher my option rises of him

He's so consistent

[fresh scarab]

Operator’s secondaries are so funny

[spare saddle]

thanks

[fresh scarab]

Override is advertised as “right tool for the right situation” and Swarm is advertised as… a swarm

[robust plume]

i won this run

[errant marsh]

Override does everything bro

[robust plume]

needless to say crafting is kinda fucking busted

[fresh scarab]

and Override is also just “random bullshit go”

[errant marsh]

Only a lot

[vapid dagger]

T2 missile drone

Of course you won

[errant marsh]

I like override because stacking hundreds of bleed with gunner drones + nanobug is funny

[fresh scarab]

I think the reason crafting is so strong is because the cost-reward ratio is very low

[robust plume]

i literally only had one ceremonial dagger and that one shell that drops items from large enemies killed every other red item i crafted

[fresh scarab]

compare this to something like soups

you need 3 white items to make a green
and 5 greens to make a red

[errant marsh]

sacrificing 15 watches for happiest mask rn

[robust plume]

yeah crafting doesn´t have any rules that make it so crafting costs enough to make you consider if its worth it

[fresh scarab]

whereas with crafting you need 2-4 items to make an item you’ll most likely want OR crafting it is a net positive most of the time

[agile kestrel]

ive got it ive figured out the perfect artificer buidld

[robust plume]

its almost always fucking worth it to give up a couple specific items to create the perforators and have sauteed worms

[errant marsh]

Empathy cores recipe is hilarious because its basically free

[robust plume]

YEAH

I CRAFTED MY EMPATHY CORES TOO

[errant marsh]

Like why wouldn't you make it

[robust plume]

AND THE URN

[fresh scarab]

Boxamite isn’t very good AND stacks poorly

[robust plume]

I just keep one for the free drone

[sturdy knot]

jesus frigging christ we had to self destruct cause we just would not die and its been so long

[fresh idol]

the different kind of obliteration

[errant marsh]

Ultimate meal is broken granted you get the items to make it

[glad gale]

10 billion propane tanks

[spare saddle]

thats a short run

[robust plume]

is it really better than just keeping your clover?

[sturdy knot]

Short my ass

[robust plume]

it says the effects are only there when your health´s full

[sturdy knot]

2 and half hours jesus I need to eat

[errant marsh]

If the other red isn't very great then definitely

[fresh scarab]

it’s just BEGGING to be turned into Empathy Cores

[robust plume]

in what way is it better than clover

[errant marsh]

It's 2 clovers in one

[fresh scarab]

if you have two Clovers, it’s better to just keep the Clovers

[robust plume]

oh its two??? i didnt fucking know it was two clovers at once

[errant marsh]

Yes

[robust plume]

never fucking mind

[golden linden]

you can use lot of poopy reds to make it into another clover

[spare saddle]

yes short

[golden linden]

also shields don't count for being full hp for some reason

[errant marsh]

I'll usually keep grectar and scorpion too but all the other reds in its recipe are fair game

[fresh scarab]

yeah it’s +2 luck, whereas Clover is +1

[robust plume]

yeah no i get it now

next time i have a chance i won´t hestitate to make one

[fresh scarab]

I’m in a low reception area, messages are taking forever to send

[robust plume]

dw about it

not gonna hold it against ya

[fresh scarab]

the one caveat is that it only gives you +2 luck at full hp (not including shield)

[spare saddle]

just move to a high reception area

[fresh scarab]

which is why 2 Clovers > Ultimate Meal

genuinely how did Hearty Stew make it out of testing phase

might be a top 5 item

[errant marsh]

Very funny John risk of rain

[golden linden]

the healer

[agile kestrel]

How tf did a greater wisp spawn on stage 1

[golden linden]

they do that

[agile kestrel]

i only see them on stage 10+

[golden linden]

you don't

[errant marsh]

I have been gifted 3 tri tips

By John risk of rain

[golden linden]

felt like doing a nano spear run

[gentle copper]

im sylvie

[sage python]

THATS SO COOL

[gentle copper]

i like elden ring and elden ring nightreign

[golden linden]

nightreign was a magnificent experience

[sacred elk]

The sub is nautica 2

[gentle copper]

you were magnificent, elden ring nightreign.

i will not forget you as long as i live.

[sacred elk]

I probably will

[sage python]

subnautica 2 is good but it couldve launched with more small fish i feel

[sacred elk]

I never played it

[sage python]

theres only like 2 types and the slug

so far its great tho

[golden linden]

it's early access ain't it

[sacred elk]

Yeah

[sage python]

yeah

[sage python]

which is why this isnt a big deal at all

i just wish that part was a little more developed

i do wish there were also more scary fish but thats also likely for later too

[golden linden]

altificer

[sacred elk]

Maltficer

[agile kestrel]

This mf prismatic trial istg this is try 500 of it

[sacred elk]

Blaz cild

[agile kestrel]

what moron thought adding children was a good idea

[sacred elk]

Gearbox

[spare saddle]

more targets to hit

[agile kestrel]

middle finger emoji is my thought of gearbox

[placid quail]

Yeah I hate children so much

The ror2 enemy is also annoying

[molten hound]

@plain narwhal

[vapid dagger]

i have like
no mobility
whatsoever
but that wont stop me

[spare saddle]

thats what happens when you pick fl*methrower

[fresh scarab]

+ cycling gonna go nuts

[cedar coral]

mr niche over here

[vapid dagger]

nah im hardly even using that

[fresh scarab]

would go hard

[vapid dagger]

i just have proc chains going

but yeah it does help when i do use that

[cedar coral]

why the hell are you on stage 5 by 30 minutes

this guys allergic to looting

[fresh scarab]

Warhorn is what, 7s +4s per stack?

you only have around 2 seconds of downtime I think?

maybe not even that

[molten hound]

its only like 50% more attack speed tho aint it

[cedar coral]

what does war horn do again

[vital depot]

[cedar coral]

worth it

[fresh scarab]

70%, multiplicative

[vital depot]

Attack speed buff when using equipment

[cedar coral]

ty

I have yet to get harvesters scythe

I cba to do that boring ass prismatic trial

while collecting ac spoilers in the process

[vapid dagger]

yeah we're doing alright

i built that much barrier without 2 brooches goddamn

[golden linden]

jane drone

[round sandal]

That’s me

[vital depot]

god i hope HC doesn’t add any more enemies with movement like the Scorcher

went through Pretender’s Precipice and Iron Alluvium back to back, the most anti-artificer shit ever

[livid idol]

I'm usually on stage 5 35-40 minutes in, when you get efficient at looting you just zoom by

And this is with me full looting taking detours just for a little more loot

Ac goes at lighting quick pace

[gentle copper]

[livid idol]

Hi sylvie!!

Hi the meower!!

[vapid dagger]

now that was great

[golden linden]

rare halcyonite spawn

[vapid dagger]

This was a Slow but steady run

[golden linden]

lol

[vapid dagger]

Also keep in mind for my looting pace, im less compelled to invest in drones (due to downpatched ai), ignore void cradles (of which there are more of downpatched for some reason), occasionally skip the red on stage 4, and dont have halcyonite shrines spawn

Im not doing mountain shrines literally every chance i get either

If my run is going poorly im very inclined to skip them

I do occasionally start the tele before finishing looting if theres a good chunk of the loot near the tele itself too

Especially if i have a squid polyp

[bronze elm]

Operator is quite a fun character

[native falcon]

if operator didnt have to worry about drones dying he'd be my fav character in the game

[bronze elm]

True

He gets pretty annoying when you try looping and all of your drones die

[golden linden]

win

[bronze elm]

I now have every character unlocked save for the seekers characters (I do not have seekers)

REX run next

[agile kestrel]

name one surviver better then artificer

lol thats what i thought you cant

[potent marten]

Seeker

[vapid dagger]

ive never really had an issue with drones dying when playing operator

[amber oak]

Base game- commando

DLC - railgunner

[potent marten]

My left foot

[amber oak]

My rotten left foot

[agile kestrel]

Seeker is DLC

[potent marten]

Nobody cares seeker is still better

[agile kestrel]

Artificer is not locked behidn an additional $15 paywall

Artificer 1 seeker 0

[potent marten]

Also loader is literally right there

[agile kestrel]

I beat a monsoon elite boss with no items at all as artificer

[undone gorge]

Engi is pretty cool

[potent marten]

Loader 1 artificer -43627357187463

[agile kestrel]

Loader needs crowbar spam to be good

I can do a no items run with artificer right here rn

[golden linden]

oooo shuriken bandit might be juicy

[livid idol]

Merc is better than arti since she only has technically the ability to not get hit, while merc has loads of i frames in his kit

[sage python]

arti has magic tho

[upper wing]

everyone is better than arti because i dont like arti and her playerbase

[sage python]

and explosion

[livid idol]

Merc has the power of awesome

Have you seen eviscerate

[agile kestrel]

ykw im going to do a no item run with arti to prove she is superior

[potent marten]

Everyone 2 arti -374629295720464729

[livid idol]

That aside I'd say engineer also beats her out, just because turrets are fucking stupid, why did they make them that good

[upper wing]

itemless hardly means much to me because the game was designed around items

thats just me tho

[fallow sedge]

Good luck

By far hardest challange in the game

Godspeed

[livid idol]

Acrid is safer and more consistent than arti because every enemy guaranteed dies in 100 seconds and you can be five years away and able to immediately get out with leap, and captain gets to just not play the game similarly to engineer, but more in a "if you get drones you gimp the one attack that is threatening on mithrix" 😭

Why do microbots eat pizza

[upper wing]

my friend said the hollowed concepts logo looks like a pixar logo

[livid idol]

I get that its a projectile but what the fuck

[fallow sedge]

Holy shit

[golden linden]

hongry

[livid idol]

Anyway itemless doesn't mean shit because everyone can do itemless

Idk i don't think its the benchmark to look for

Especially when the game is designed around items

[fallow sedge]

Not even remotely true

[livid idol]

That'd be like saying rex is bad because eclipse hurts him

[livid idol]

Qwp do I need to do commando itemless

By everyone i mean survivors

Not everyone literally

Sorry words are hard

[fallow sedge]

Yeah, i know

Thats what I interpreted it as

[livid idol]

Ah

But yeah I think arguing who's best off of having no items is a tad silly

[vapid dagger]

it definetly helps a character's case when they can do itemless

[fallow sedge]

I guess if you include artifacts it doesnt matter but

[vapid dagger]

but it also helps a characters case to have a wide variety of items to use as well

[fallow sedge]

Having guranteed consistency regardless of your luck is a great asset to have

Its why seeker is the best

Guranteed everything no matter what

[livid idol]

Except for fun

[fallow sedge]

TRUKE

[vapid dagger]

loader and bandit are still very effective bc of their powerful base kits

[fallow sedge]

All the (generally) strongest survivors also have the best itemless chances, coinky dink? Think not

[vapid dagger]

btw im currently reupdating my game again

[upper wing]

how come?

[livid idol]

:O

[fallow sedge]

The fuck

[livid idol]

Ac missed faraday spur

[vapid dagger]

see i would disagree with this
bc of how important items are overall

the best characters will have the largest variety of items they can use

its what makes false son stand out

[fallow sedge]

I mean like
Name all the strongest survivors (minus engineer hes the one exception)
Theyre all generally the only ones cut out for itemless

[sage python]

qwp saging this like they didnt do pre rework chef false son itemsless

[fallow sedge]

Its why commando and huntress have not and most likely never will have an itemless E8 clear

[golden linden]

yeah how many tries that took

[sage python]

people have done commando

[vapid dagger]

we'd probably disagree on that
my top 5 are seeker, false son, engineer, captain, and acrid in that order

[sage python]

i think ottermando has

[gentle copper]

Windows 7

[livid idol]

There's no way that's never been done with huntress

[golden linden]

ottermando did commando e8 itemless

[vapid dagger]

did he finally do it?

[fallow sedge]

When?!

[shut grotto]

Commando is like my top 5 characters

[fallow sedge]

I heard him say he got close i dont believe he ever did it tho

[golden linden]

wasn't that the one they said they did it

[vapid dagger]

he had been getting really close for quite a while last i heard about it

[fallow sedge]

It hasn't

[vapid dagger]

but it wouldnt surprise me if he finally did it either

[fallow sedge]

Brodun you extraordinarily underestimate how difficult it is

It is the hardest thing you can do in the vanilla game 😭

[golden linden]

@gilded tartan you would be the better person to confirm

did you do commando itemless e8?

[gilded tartan]

never beat it but was close back in the day

[fallow sedge]

Yup

[golden linden]

ok cool, my bad there then

[sage python]

ah

[livid idol]

How close is close out of curiosity

Like stage 5?

[gilded tartan]

phase 2 mithrix fight

[fallow sedge]

Nobody even did itemless E8 loader unseeded until last year lmao

[livid idol]

Oh wow

[fallow sedge]

Beat or reached btws

[vapid dagger]

also to answer the earlier questions about why
i just kind of felt like it?
having 2 different versions of the game to play with completely different core feelings is fun to flip between occasionally

[gilded tartan]

Half way through

[upper wing]

honestly i bet itemless e8 mando/huntress is possible, just so hard that nobody bothers

[gilded tartan]

Oh it is

[upper wing]

fair enough

[sage python]

yknow you can have both installed at the same time right?

ig playtime tracking would get screwed tho

[gilded tartan]

easier now

if i really wanted or cared anymore lol

[upper wing]

do drones invalidate itemless?

[gilded tartan]

no

[vapid dagger]

they are some of the hardest characters to play in the game overall itemless or not

[fallow sedge]

oh?

[vapid dagger]

oh that changes everything then

[gilded tartan]

i allowed them but now prob not since there are some broken drones

[livid idol]

I guess drones arent items I just thought they counted as items for this

[vapid dagger]

if im allowed to use drones you bet your ass im spamming those things for an itemless run in modern version of the game

[gilded tartan]

The old drones were rare and not really that good

[fallow sedge]

Yeah generally the people that have been doing the wave of itemless runs late last year have not allowed drones

It is technically low% but nobody calls it that for obvious reasons

[gilded tartan]

Yeah i wouldent allow them now tbh

[potent marten]

Oh it’s this guy

[fallow sedge]

Low% e8 is the hardest thing the game has to offer*
I suppose

[vapid dagger]

who should i play for a first time back to the present?

[fallow sedge]

I would like to one day put a commiunity funded bounty on some ridiculous challange like this.
I have a spare key for Celeste and another crabs treasure, was considering the idea of putting them into a pool which gets claimed by whoever does low% E8 all bosses

[sage python]

122233 operator methinks

[vapid dagger]

so fult alt double transport Op?

[sage python]

ya

[golden linden]

another entry for https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/1449234893702692937 inbound

[vapid dagger]

unfortunately
i never got around to unlocking that last one

[sacred elk]

its kinda ass

[vapid dagger]

any tips for it?

[sacred elk]

only kind of

[fallow sedge]

It always shocks me to see people like AC not have all unlocks

[golden linden]

primoridial cube

[fallow sedge]

Reformed altar primordial cube yuh

[vapid dagger]

thats good yeah

[upper wing]

i havent used it but i did unlock it

i should give it a try

maybe ill learn some new stuff today

[fallow sedge]

It is very fun

[upper wing]

this will be delicious

[prime sleet]

I will eat Gup

[livid idol]

Void cube if you can get it

[flint vortex]

Might just be me but that looks kinda raw

[coarse merlin]

It is you, that's totally fine

Its just skinned chicken

The skin provides the orangey browns we associate with "cooked"

[golden linden]

the descriptor

[coarse merlin]

I've cooked a chicken or two in my time

[coarse merlin]

This does look delicious by the way

[placid quail]

They taste bad, dontcha know?

They’re like soap

[prime sleet]

Too late

[placid quail]

[prime sleet]

[agile kestrel]

oh my god i keep getting the WORST run seeds ever

[undone gorge]

Now that I have bands, I'm gonna try rainstorm runs

[molten hound]

ive decided to get diablo strike.
why you may ask?
i YEARN FOR THE DIABLO JUMPS

and i fucked it up

[agile kestrel]

doing itemless artificer is going to take a WHILE

[molten hound]

im gonna kill myself probably.

[coarse merlin]

That's why they call me Mr fahrenheiiiiiiiiit
I'm traveling at the speed of liiiiiiight

[undone gorge]

Doesn't Diablo kill everything in its radius?

[coarse merlin]

"parry this you filthy casual"

[molten hound]

mithrix just killed himself

wait no hes at 12 hp

[golden linden]

it does 40k% your base damage

[molten hound]

HES SURVIVING AT 2 HP

[undone gorge]

Wow

[coarse merlin]

I would too if I were him
Getting folded by some dude encrusted in junk they found off of the floor

[undone gorge]

Does it do that damage to you too?

[agile kestrel]

hold on let me get a video of this run this is GARBAGE

[molten hound]

oop

[undone gorge]

Or am I thinking of something else?

[molten hound]

mithrix cant kill himself
even if he does a self damaging attack at 1hp

get em junk drone

WAIT GUYS

[vapid dagger]

that was a lot easier than i expected

[molten hound]

does voidling count as a final boss

[sonic tangle]

call me crazy but itemless is very difficult and not something most people can do

[agile kestrel]

idk i made it to stage 4 on my first itemeless attempt

[molten hound]

oh wait i cant use my fucking special in the void

rip the run is dead

[sonic tangle]

and itll get harder from there

[vapid dagger]

i made it to stage 6 on my first itemless attempt as acrid

[sonic tangle]

acrid is good at that yeah

[vapid dagger]

bc acrid

[old python]

Test.

[molten hound]

what are you testing my g

[vapid dagger]

alright now i can actually do this

[old python]

Yeah back online.

[molten hound]

were you muted or did you just have no wifi

[old python]

There was no roles.. wanted to check if it was my internet or discord bugged out again.

Just took a second.

[sonic tangle]

yeah that happens sometimes

[molten hound]

it happens when your tab goes in sleep mode and you go back into it

[vapid dagger]

yeah dont worry i turned it off

[molten hound]

i thought you played downpatched

[old python]

Ah that makes sense.

[vapid dagger]

i was

i still kind of prefer it

[sonic tangle]

when playing survivors added after sotv its a bit weird

you cant true downpatch and turning off dlcs also is weird sometimes

also these survivors are designed with those dlcs in mind

[molten hound]

i failed diablo unlock, so we try again

[sonic tangle]

operator loses like half his drone variety with ac off

[vapid dagger]

so this kit likes grouping up enemies and a kite heavy playstyle i take it

[sonic tangle]

oh yeah only mithrix counts

[vapid dagger]

everything is aoe

[sonic tangle]

when they say 'the final boss' it means mithrix

[molten hound]

sometimes i despise hopoo.

[sonic tangle]

every other final boss is apparently not a final boss

[vapid dagger]

wow theyre intelligently disposing of the beetles

[molten hound]

i get fs and shart not being a "final boss" because you can continue the run, but voidling literally forces you to end it

[undone gorge]

Captain's Diablo was released with base game (I think) so it would (probably) only account for mithrix

[sonic tangle]

not that it matters here eh

[molten hound]

infact, vling is MORE of a final boss than mithrix

because you can continue to vling FROM mithrix

[agile kestrel]

i think its just my run seeds. look at this bullshit

[sonic tangle]

what bullshit

this is normal

[agile kestrel]

look at the bosses that spawn

three fucking clay dunestriders in a row

that is some bullshit

[sonic tangle]

lmao

[gilded tartan]

just one used to be an instant reset lol

[sonic tangle]

you beat them just fine

[agile kestrel]

actually considering how far i got i prolly wouldve won if they didnt do 3 consecutive clay dunestriders and then greater wisp and bronze construct spam on stage 5

[sonic tangle]

sky meadow does that

[vapid dagger]

Release space while in the air briefly to dodge with your fall speed

[haughty crag]

Itemless gets extremely hard around Stage 5

You need a class with consistent self healing like Seeker to beat it

[sonic tangle]

itemless was never intended to be possible just be warned

[agile kestrel]

alr

[sonic tangle]

artificer does it better than most but still

[haughty crag]

Of course other survivors can do it as well but it will be extremely hard

[agile kestrel]

to quote the backlogs

it always seems impossible until it is done

[haughty crag]

I did Itemless Seeker on False Son

I almost got murked by Claystriders in Sulfur Pools

[sonic tangle]

people have done it but they have more experience

itemless rainstorm should be ok especially since ion surge is a built in pillar skip

[haughty crag]

Itemless Seeker E8 is also possible but its kinda luck based

[sonic tangle]

but i dont think i could do monsoon on most survivors

[vapid dagger]

I could probably do an itemless commando run on rainstorm if i really wanted to

[haughty crag]

Fresh save commando eclipse 8

[haughty crag]

Dw it will get harder

Have you gone to the moon

[sonic tangle]

nano spear is probably better for itemless just because of mithrix

[sage python]

id rather have nanobomb

[haughty crag]

Freeze is OP since you can basically disable any problematic HVTs that arent bosses

[sage python]

mithrix is easy to cheese as arti anyhow

[sonic tangle]

for them i think nanospear would provide the consistent safety net

[vapid dagger]

I had to take a break to deliver a burrito to my mom

[agile kestrel]

not yet

[sonic tangle]

just be careful of pizza resets

[agile kestrel]

ive only made it to stage 5 that was my most recent run

[sage python]

i think mithrix would probs be the easiest part anyway ngl

[haughty crag]

Have you killed the guy on the moon at any time

[agile kestrel]

mithrix?

[haughty crag]

Yes

[sonic tangle]

rainstorm -> itemless rainstorm is harder than rainstorm -> monsoon so

[agile kestrel]

ive beaten him once, yeah

[agile kestrel]

oh i havent even beaten regular rainstorm this is gonna be my first rainstorm victory

[haughty crag]

Now unlock all items and survivors

You will need them

[agile kestrel]

after i do artificer itemless

[vapid dagger]

Idk
Pizza still hits like a truck and phase 2 can be rough with no mobility

[agile kestrel]

whos pizza

is pizza a survivor

[haughty crag]

Big Spinny attack

[agile kestrel]

oh that one was easy do dodge

[sage python]

yeah but you got ramps, hev and a freeze anyway

[haughty crag]

It can catch you offguard especially if theres chimeras shooting at you

[agile kestrel]

its very simple he will do the attack and I will press R

I am simply locked in

[sage python]

oh wait phase 2 chimera

hmm

[haughty crag]

Most dangerous enemy in phase 2 is these flying chimera gunners

Since theyre running itemless theyre even more dangerous since they got some pretty crazy hitscan aim

Even more dangerous if theyre Perfected

[sonic tangle]

arent they immune to freeze

[vital depot]

Pretty sure they’re not?

man i haven’t gone to commencement in ages

[agile kestrel]

oh

[vital depot]

If they are immune to Freeze then it’s not on the wiki

[oblique ocean]

i need to be studied

[golden linden]

why

[agile kestrel]

well in that case i will use a different utility

[sonic tangle]

for pizza?

[vital depot]

But i dont see why they would be, they’re not close to boss enemies

[sonic tangle]

there is no different utility

[vapid dagger]

enforcer isnt coming back

[vital depot]

If you dont see a locked skill box then there is no other skill to use

[sonic tangle]

is the shield good

[golden linden]

secret skill

[sonic tangle]

for like shielding and stuff

[vapid dagger]

its pretty good when you use it as a shield with good timing

its really funny bc you kind of just back yourself into a corner and make your drones take all the damage for you

[agile kestrel]

yes

[agile kestrel]

I meant i'll use the like charged nano bomb or something else to hit them and not the ice thing

[sonic tangle]

pizza doesnt care if youre airborne

[haughty crag]

💀

[sonic tangle]

the strat for pizza is to get somewhat close

[haughty crag]

Pizza is basically "if you stand in the line you DIE"

[sonic tangle]

it spins slower there

standing far away is gambling

[vapid dagger]

i fought a titan without dodging it pretty much at all bc i had a shield that blocks the laser

[sonic tangle]

nice

[agile kestrel]

makes sense

to the pizza or to mithrix?

[haughty crag]

More specifically find where you move at the same speed as the spin

[sonic tangle]

mithrix

[vapid dagger]

it is good to know you can still m1 while shielding too

[sonic tangle]

also dont freeze mithrix during pizza he will restart it from the beginning when he unfreezes

are we thinking of the same attack actually

pressing r is good for his sky slam

he cant hit shit when youre mid air during it

[haughty crag]

I wish Engineer bubble shield actually repels enemies away from it

Like the shield from DRG

[sonic tangle]

but for pizza it just makes dodging harder

[coarse merlin]

I am actually amazed you can freeze mithrix

[agile kestrel]

alright hold on img oing to try to get to mithrix itemed first to test out the pizza

[coarse merlin]

Can't do it with basic teleporter bosses but you can for the final boss

[agile kestrel]

and then once i get a strat for beating him ill do it again itemless

[vapid dagger]

i dont really
itd be a little too strong if it did i think

[haughty crag]

Dont even think about that

You are much much stronger with items

More movespeed, more damage, more utility, etc

[vapid dagger]

these things still make me look bad

[sonic tangle]

i think theyre referring to mithrix being able to be frozen

which is really strong

also false son i guess

[vapid dagger]

ugh

[sonic tangle]

double ugh since ascent operator can get away with spur very easily

idk if firewall operator can

does the shield boost you back even when youre grounded

[haughty crag]

When I did false son with my friend I just went chef and spammed alt m2

[flint vortex]

not as easily i think

[blissful torrent]

+1 green scrap

[vapid dagger]

no

[sonic tangle]

ah

[vapid dagger]

runic lens

[sonic tangle]

win

[native falcon]

I lowkey love runic lens

Feels like a super ATG

[iron palm]

Runic lens is the coolest proc chain item

The fact that it has high base damage makes it op on faster lighter hitting characters

[blissful torrent]

runic lens is really cool but i find it kinda weird that it deals flat damage and (kind of) total damage

[iron palm]

But the fact that both it's damage and proc chance scales with damage makes it insane on burst characters too

[fresh idol]

runic lens is weird af bc it doesn't hit FLYING ENEMIES

[iron palm]

The only 2 things that I dont like about it are that it can reset your proc chain order (allowing it to continue infinitely) and that only 1 meteor can exist at once

[sonic tangle]

runic lens is stupid strong

[iron palm]

I got softlocked in CompEx because I had ss2 installed, had 1 molten coin + a ton of proc items and like 2 ultimate meals

I accidentally hit spex with a firework

[sonic tangle]

also it stacks like shit

[blissful torrent]

idm there being a max of one meteor, don't like the infinite proc chains tho

[iron palm]

And then he kicked me out but I couldn't leave bc the proc chain kept going forever and giving me money faster than the exit portal could drain

😭

[blissful torrent]

i like this tbh, imo reds should stack like shit because given their rarity they should have most of their power upfront at 1 stack

[sonic tangle]

i heavily disagree

[iron palm]

I very much do not like getting 3 behemoths

[blissful torrent]

infinite money can be a bad thing ig

[sonic tangle]

theyre rare yeah but it wouldnt devalue the first stack if additional stacks were stronger

it would just make rare cases where you get two of the same red not a waste

and also improve benthic bloom

[iron palm]

This genuinely fucking hurts when it happens

[sonic tangle]

yeah you basically lose a red

in the worst cases

[iron palm]

Same kind of pain as forgetting to save your sale star for the red chest

[sonic tangle]

thats way worse and also your fault

[iron palm]

Yea but it's the same feeling still

[blissful torrent]

i unironically think the idea that as you get more reds on your run you start valuing new reds less because there's a chance of them being a duplicate which is inherently less valuable than finding something new is really cool 🤷‍♀️

[iron palm]

Except you're angry at yourself instead of the game

[blissful torrent]

but it all comes down to perspective ig

[sonic tangle]

it wouldnt be

[iron palm]

Reds shouldn't be devalued faster than other items if anything it should be the opposite bc of their rarity

[sonic tangle]

i would still rather different reds than stacking the same red regardless

i would rather 1 behemoth 1 sonorous 1 boomerang over 3 behemoths

even if behemoth was 60% +60%

[iron palm]

They dont even need to stack well

They just need to have a noticeable stacking effect at all

[sonic tangle]

i think they should but they definitely shouldnt stack like garbage

[iron palm]

Networked suffering actually handles its stacking well imo

[sonic tangle]

its alright

[iron palm]

Aside from it being op from the 1st stack

[sonic tangle]

i dont see a reason it cant be 4 +4 though

[iron palm]

Gtg work cya

[sonic tangle]

assuming they nerf the 45%