ror2-discussion

[clever seal]

u play warframe?

[sonic tangle]

nay

[ornate spruce]

oh, and false son is just fun to play for me too, so i kinda main 3 survivors or whatever

[clever seal]

aight

[torn ocean]

hes rlly fun especially if u get luminous shot

[gray jacinth]

her alt abilities are insane

[ornate spruce]

i am beating eclipse rn so i'll have to play everyone of them anyways

[clever seal]

haha tinker go brrr

[torn ocean]

tinker prob one of my favorite abilities

[ornate spruce]

yea, i played with cube and scanner (idk how is it called exactly)

[gray jacinth]

tbh i prefer playing operator over drifter just for the movement

[ornate spruce]

operator is really fun too

[torn ocean]

fair

[gray jacinth]

sooo gearbox, when are we adding robomando

[ornate spruce]

only thing i don't like about him is that you can't choose what drone to use with default secondary

[torn ocean]

i got used to it honestly

[ornate spruce]

it's such a cool concept and a pretty underwelming realisation of it

[torn ocean]

i hope they somehow fix the transport drone bug

[ornate spruce]

i hope they made simulacrum fun 🙏

[gray jacinth]

its not too bad and having more drones = more secondary so makes up for it

[ornate spruce]

i use alt secondary anyways cause default is just spam random shi to win

[gray jacinth]

they shouldve rewarded skins or something because i see no reason to play it

[torn ocean]

exactly unless all ur drones are healing drones

[ornate spruce]

yea, like 50 stages on moonsoon = skin

and skins for voidling 😭

[gray jacinth]

a voided version of commando and then the opposite for void fiend would be sick

[torn ocean]

wouldnt that make commando void fiend and void fiend commando

cool concept tho

[ornate spruce]

it's genuenly pretty sad that dlc characters usually only get a skin for beating the game and that's it

[torn ocean]

fr

[gray jacinth]

itd be like the nemesis commando skin in modded

[torn ocean]

ohh

[ornate spruce]

i hope they will make sum update with giving skins for every boss to every character sometime

and simulacrum update too

[torn ocean]

i would like a false son skin like the unchained one but blue

[ornate spruce]

better than adding another route with boss everyone will play once and ignore after tbh

[gray jacinth]

i do wish they gave all the dlc characters those new skins that the base ones got

[gray jacinth]

what i think would be cool is a providence lite skin if you know what i mean

[torn ocean]

yeahhh i get that

his unchained is kinda like providence tho

[proud berry]

you're gonna make a lobby when the new dlc drops and one of rhe settings is gonna be "ban hidden survivor"

[gray jacinth]

when are we going to add heretic mastery skin gearbox!

[gray jacinth]

no, no one would ever want to ban robomando

he is the best survivor of all time, just below commando

[sour nest]

Just like, reduce the movement speed you gain in return for buffing the explosion damage.

The explosion deals absolutely no damage rn.

[ornate spruce]

how would you select that skin tho

[gray jacinth]

random chance

[ornate spruce]

i like the movement speed for not jumping gimmic more than just damage tbh

[gray jacinth]

i think its because most people use it for the movement

even if it did good damage why would you use it

[sour nest]

I get it's a movement speed item, but it is also meant to be a damage item.

And it is heavily lacking in the damage department.

The item is good yeah, but not for the full reason it is designed to be good.

And besides it's a bit too good in the speed department ngl.

[gray jacinth]

true but i think the jumping part balances it sorta

its like red whip

[torn ocean]

i like the speed personally

[sour nest]

Red whip you can't control when to have the speed or not, you just don't have the speed when it's important to have it.

Faraday spur, all you need to do is not press spacebar.

And the speed builds up quite fast even if you do.

And the speed is miles faster than red whip.

[ornate spruce]

is there anyone else who thinks that hunter's harpoon isn't a bad item?

[thin saddle]

Wha?

[sour nest]

I think it's not a horrible item, but it's a very bad green item.

I think red whip is worse than it personally.

[torn ocean]

iceman

[gray jacinth]

I dont think its bad but if it was one of my first items in a run, id ignore it

[ornate spruce]

i feel like most green items are just mid idk

[sour nest]

The issue is that most green items are "setup" items, (need something else for it to work) so they don't do much, if anything without the setup.

And that setup is usually white items, or character abilities.

[gray jacinth]

theyre a bit specific but a lot of them are great

[sonic tangle]

green is a bunch of shit and a bunch of great stuff

[sonic tangle]

fair enough

i think hunters harpoon is worse because its less consistent

[fair quiver]

how is your r2 broken
that was a pretty clear message from the reply

[sour nest]

Red whip I really don't like, since it gives movement speed when it is least needed.

[sonic tangle]

red whip is actually pretty solid sometimes

[torn ocean]

it feels weird to use for me

[gray jacinth]

red whips only use is looting fast

[sonic tangle]

but both whip and harpoon are only useful if you lack hoof

otherwise theyre not great

[sour nest]

But yeah we're pretty much comparing shit to shit and trying to figure which is stinkier.

[ornate spruce]

looting after teleporter, or looting when you have alot of money

[sonic tangle]

theres worse greens

[sour nest]

That's not great.

I'd say one of the worst greens is the stealthkit.

[gray jacinth]

its specific but it makes characters without movement options (like captain or engineer) better during the looting phase if you dont have any hoofs

[gray jacinth]

def my least favourite

[sour nest]

Until a single whisp snipes you and now you're slower again. I just really don't like the whip tbh. I don't see much use in it.

[gray jacinth]

imagine doing 4 shrine of the mountains and you get 4 stealth kits

[sour nest]

I don't think faster looting is much of an upside since you don't really need speed to loot unless you are in a massive map, but later game maps (when you have movespeed ups) are usually the bigger ones.

[pure axle]

red whips only use is scrap

[gray jacinth]

its just a convenience thing really

not everyone needs it

[gray jacinth]

and that too

[sour nest]

All items are good since all items can be scappred. 🔥

Got I butchered "scrapped"

[gray jacinth]

bison steak is the best item because you dont lose much from scrapping unless you play false son

[novel tartan]

why is there a fork in me

[sour nest]

My least fav white item is either... Warbanner, cautious slug, oddly shaped opal or roll of pennies.

Roll of pennies, warbanner and opal aren't even horrendous, I just don't like em' at all, instascrap.

[sonic tangle]

opal is really strong

[pure axle]

scrapping clug and opal is a crime

[sour nest]

It's just a worse safer spaces.

[gray jacinth]

roll of pennies?!

😨

[sour nest]

Read the message below.

[gray jacinth]

i know but what is wrong with them

[sour nest]

I don't wanna gain money via intentionally taking damage or by sucking enough.

[steep onyx]

genuinely insane we have farday spur and red whip in a same rarity

[sour nest]

Yep lmfao.

It's funny how faraday spur is pretty much better than red whip in every single way.

[steep onyx]

we have lost the plot

[sour nest]

If I could get my grubby balancing hands on them, I would make it where faraday spur gives less overall movement speed but have the explosion damage megabuffed, and make it so whip gives more movement speed and instead deactivates once you lose a certain health threshold.

[steep onyx]

yeah spurs boost is just broken like it feels like you're on a 60mins into the run with just one stack

or just make it red and I don't think anyone's complaining

[thin saddle]

yeah I know why you asking 😭

[sour nest]

True.

What's better between step of the brothers and meridian's will?

[blazing delta]

EVERYONE GET IN THE TELEPORTER! WE'RE LEAVING THIS STAGE NOW!!!

AHH!! WHAT THE...?? IMPOSSIBLE!!! THIS ISN'T THE TELEPORTER!!!

[languid crystal]

ehh clug isnt that good

[languid crystal]

the alt one

i think meridians will is the alt util

[blazing delta]

NOOO!! AHHH!!! BLUE PORTAL!!!

[fair quiver]

because im the developer of it 😭

[thin saddle]

oh shit mb bro 😭

sorry for being hesistant you know how it be

but the bug is kinda confusing

[fair quiver]

just dm me it

[sour nest]

It is.

[thin saddle]

check dms

[sour nest]

What's people's deal with opal? I just see it as a worse safer spaces.

[twin rover]

another moonson win (it was supposed to be a warmup before i do the saved run that i had peak pace on)

[sturdy knot]

Anyone have any advice on how to use Amp Core (alt operator R) better?

[vital depot]

You can shoot the drone to manually make the area bigger, otherwise i guess just target the big crowd

[sonic tangle]

a worst one of the strongest items in the game

[sage python]

fair enough

i instascrap watches and ap rounds so cant say much lol

[quartz umbra]

I sometimes do on ap when I’m desperate for something but WATCHES

[sturdy knot]

Yeah but I always feel bad about doing that

cause every shot on the drone is a shot on the enemies wasted

[quartz umbra]

Im joking

I just personally love watches

[eager barn]

im on my alt now i forgot which account i was on

[quartz umbra]

I have something in my eye :)

[eager barn]

but yeah i dont like that they are consumable

[eager barn]

ouchie

[quartz umbra]

Ok it’s gone now

[eager barn]

swag

[quartz umbra]

True, but I do like how the damage is unconditional

[eager barn]

i also dislike that they feel boring imo

[sonic tangle]

i like watches just fine

[quartz umbra]

And thats the one reason I use the science drink thingy

I forgot what it’s called

[eager barn]

they are definitely strong, but i dont like that they make me need to play safer and i think the effect itself is boring

[eager barn]

power elixir?

[sonic tangle]

you dont have to play safer

[quartz umbra]

Yeah

[quartz umbra]

You do sometimes

[sonic tangle]

you can play as risky as you think is gonna work out

[quartz umbra]

I do anyway since im grinding eclipse

[eager barn]

well i mean i kinda do

[sonic tangle]

soemtimes i still play like a maniac with watches

[eager barn]

cause i ger punished for going below 25% hp

[sonic tangle]

all you have to do is play to not reach that hp

[eager barn]

yeah which means playing safer

[quartz umbra]

I have almost completed all base game and sotv survivors on e5

[sonic tangle]

only sort of

[eager barn]

depends on playstyle

[sonic tangle]

i dont notice myself playing too much different when i have watches

unless i have a lot of them and theyre my main damage source

[quartz umbra]

I would say it makes me play more thoughtfully

[eager barn]

if i have a watch i play safe until scrapper

[sonic tangle]

i always keep watches because risk of rain is all about that risk

also unstable transmitter

[quartz umbra]

I only scrap watches if I desperately need something from a printer

[eager barn]

they punish taking risks tho

[quartz umbra]

Cause I don’t loop

[eager barn]

stuff like gloop encourages taking risk

cause it rewards you for taking the risk

watches discourage you from taking the risk

[sonic tangle]

they make risky plays riskier but give you more reward across the board

[eager barn]

not that gloop is good

[sonic tangle]

and you can still play safe and get the reward

[quartz umbra]

I don’t loop because it feels like it’s making the game easier

[mild cloak]

Risky rain

[eager barn]

they add stake not risk

[quartz umbra]

When I do loop

[sonic tangle]

but you make the most of the reward if you manage to play risky and still keep them

[sonic tangle]

very similar things

[eager barn]

not rlly

[mild cloak]

Nasti in almost one week

[quartz umbra]

Who cares

I mean about the risky thing

[sonic tangle]

too long

time for one more annihilation ig

[quartz umbra]

What’s nasti?

[eager barn]

they discourage the riskiest plays by adding stakes prematurely

[quartz umbra]

Oh

[eager barn]

they reward for not losing risks

[sonic tangle]

you can still make those plays despite this

[quartz umbra]

Looks like hsr

[sonic tangle]

wrong game

[quartz umbra]

Ik

[eager barn]

good luck diablo jumping and not losing watches

[quartz umbra]

Or do I? Michael Vsauce here

[sonic tangle]

thats way extreme

[eager barn]

ok

[mild cloak]

It's arknights

[quartz umbra]

I see

[mild cloak]

Hsr if it was like 20x better

[sonic tangle]

and a totally different fucking game but whatever

[quartz umbra]

Yeah ik

[eager barn]

good luck fully utilising razorwire or gloop or shrines of sacrifice or using stone golems for mobility

[quartz umbra]

I don’t anyway

[sonic tangle]

stone golems for mobility what

[mild cloak]

They're both gachas so I'm comparing them

[eager barn]

well yeah thats because you play safer

[sonic tangle]

thats crazy

[quartz umbra]

It works

[eager barn]

if you get hit by the laser they boost you

[sonic tangle]

i can also still use razorwire

[eager barn]

i do that if i dont have watches, so watches make me play safer

[quartz umbra]

I have had so much time saved by that for some god dang reason

[eager barn]

doesnt make everyone play safer but i take risks because i find it fun to push it

[mild cloak]

how do you even get hit by the sgolem laser

[sonic tangle]

even if my main damage is razorwire i still will full dump into a watch printer

[mild cloak]

Even when trying to do it intentionally they just miss

[eager barn]

and watches punish that

so i personally dislike them

[sonic tangle]

you can still do that if you know you have the health to spare

[quartz umbra]

I play safer because I am the type of person to activate all mountain shrines on stage one with almost no items

[sonic tangle]

gloop doesnt work because it literally cannot activate without watches breaking

[eager barn]

i think thats a watch problem not a gloop problem

[quartz umbra]

What about both?

[sonic tangle]

if gloop was 35% id use watches

[quartz umbra]

Both of them can have problems

[sonic tangle]

actually the bigger risk reward for delicate watch is when youre printing one

or printing a lot of them

[eager barn]

well yeah but one doesnt compromise my playstyle

[sonic tangle]

no risk no reward

[quartz umbra]

I full send it

[eager barn]

gloop is still underpowered

[quartz umbra]

What even is gloop?

[sonic tangle]

in the former case you can get reward without risk

[eager barn]

[gray jacinth]

robomando in ror2 when……

[quartz umbra]

Ooooh

[sonic tangle]

me too

[quartz umbra]

I play eclipse so I play a bit safer anyway

[eager barn]

i think shaped glass fulfills that better

[sonic tangle]

especially if i have an unstable transmitter

[sonic tangle]

theyre totally different

[quartz umbra]

But I don’t use lunar items…

[sonic tangle]

i dont use shaped glass because its a lunar

[eager barn]

delicate watch is kinda just diet shaped glass tho

[quartz umbra]

I used it once and was like “this makes it way too easy”

[sonic tangle]

considering the different places you get them id say no

[quartz umbra]

They can not be compared…

[gray jacinth]

i remember 3d printing a few delicate watches on the first stage then fell off the map, they all broke

[sonic tangle]

and watch is way less polarizing

[sonic tangle]

oof

[eager barn]

you are saying watches excel at providing risk when they are a choice though

[gray jacinth]

run ender right there

[quartz umbra]

Trauma

But what is worse is dying with escape pod at 97

[sonic tangle]

making that choice is the risk you run

[eager barn]

well yeah but its still too polarising for me to like

[quartz umbra]

YES I AM STILL FUMING ON THAT

[sonic tangle]

you plopped all your scrap in

thats the risk

or maybe you just dropped in some of your other whites

[sturdy knot]

Guys what items synergize with Amp Core well?

[sonic tangle]

when those watches break they break and thats the risk you run

[eager barn]

i dont think whites should punish playstyles and thats pretty much it

[sonic tangle]

bands

[eager barn]

damage and slow

[sonic tangle]

i dont blame you for scrapping watches if you want

[sturdy knot]

Damage like what? Besides crit

[sonic tangle]

this isnt really a faraday spur situation where it punishes jumping

[eager barn]

dont get me wrong watches are strong

[quartz umbra]

Watches >:)

[eager barn]

i think its worse

faraday spur doesnt take anything away that you otherwise wouldve

not that spur is healthy

[sturdy knot]

I guess on kill items should be good too with amp core

I kinda wish there were more items that give you gather options

[quartz umbra]

I do play quite aggressively (on most survivors) and yet I still get watches

[gray jacinth]

i think its acceptable since its a straight buff to damage

[sturdy knot]

i dont think there's anything wrong with the watches

[quartz umbra]

I do

[sturdy knot]

Whats wrong with em

[eager barn]

i see watches as authority and i dont like the authority

[quartz umbra]

The breaking is too small of a drawback imo

[gray jacinth]

tbh getting watches made me better at the game

[eager barn]

items should make you play differently so that you can make use of their strengths, if a white item makes you play differently to avoid its downsides imo its not really appropriate

[quartz umbra]

Not me, I know when I’m fucked and not fucked

[sturdy knot]

Not for me

[quartz umbra]

Fair

[gray jacinth]

and tbh if it breaking affects your build so badly then maybe it wasnt good

[quartz umbra]

I have all aoe, and I know im fucked for Mithrix

[sonic tangle]

if your build doesnt gel with watches you can scrap them

[eager barn]

unless you break them first

thats the part i dislike, they arent properly opt in

[quartz umbra]

I wish it had more drawbacks

[sonic tangle]

i dont know how that would be fixed

[eager barn]

i just dont think they shouldve been added personally but its tricky

[quartz umbra]

And getting watches makes me more conscious of whatever the fuck im doing

[eager barn]

picking up an item that makes me floorwipe and play safe until the next stage isnt something i enjoy remotely

[quartz umbra]

Like im making sure I’m not running into aVOIDTOUCHED TEMPLAR

God do I hate those guys

[eager barn]

ive just started ignoring and breaking them recently but that feels bad too

[gray jacinth]

i wish vanilla ror2 had the voided watch

[quartz umbra]

I will especially go into watches if I am struggling with my build

[pearl summit]

The game punishing you for playing poorly is a good thing

[sonic tangle]

well the thing is

[eager barn]

playing poorly is dying

[sonic tangle]

going to low hp intentionally to use gloop isnt really poor play

[pearl summit]

Playing poorly is being hit too often

[sonic tangle]

taking damage to use razorwire isnt poor play

the genesis loop one is definitely the biggest issue

[pearl summit]

You don't need to go below 25% for razorwire

Gloop is just bad on anyone but engineer

[eager barn]

that was only made the case with an item added in a dlc

[sonic tangle]

honestly id just make gloop a higher threshold

[sonic tangle]

two items

[eager barn]

you dont but if you have good judgement you can

[sonic tangle]

[eager barn]

right yeah

[pearl summit]

If you're not able to dodge hits enough, then it is fair to be punished

[eager barn]

i am perfectly able to dodge hits

i dont want to

[errant marsh]

Gloop should activate before elixir and probably should have 50% health as its threshold

#makegloopOP

[eager barn]

since they added watch, people treat going below 25% health as a death sentence and it annoys me

you still have a quarter health left, you are alive as long as it doesnt go below zero

[errant marsh]

Going below 25% is still risky

[pearl summit]

If you go below 25% health consistently, chances are you're not very good at the game

[gray jacinth]

its so sad only engineer can make it work

[sonic tangle]

im gonna play devils advocate here and say intentionally going to 25% hp is sometimes worthwhile

and these items punishing it does suck

[tough basalt]

All 6 Jellyfishes proceeding to do an aoe move at once that covers an area of around 4 quadrillion square kilometers while there are also no spots i can hide from it

[pearl summit]

Not an insult but I think it's totally fair to have something else to worry about other than your life

[eager barn]

if you go below 25% health frequently and dont die, chances are you are good at judging bow much damage enemies do and can avoid the ones that finish you off

[pearl summit]

Run away

[sonic tangle]

but also i have absolutely no idea how i would change said items

[tough basalt]

Theres no escape

[eager barn]

i also think they go against the item accumulation thing the game has going on

[pearl summit]

Don't be near them in the first place

[eager barn]

watch could be out of danger or something but thats lame

[tough basalt]

How do i fight them except getting close on a character with melee attacks

[pearl summit]

Make them follow you to somewhere that has cover

[errant marsh]

Kill them first

[errant marsh]

They have like 3 hp

[sonic tangle]

i still like these items because they are punishment for what most people consider playing poorly

[eager barn]

id be fine with that if it was optional

[sonic tangle]

but it ignores the small percentage of players that intentionally drop to 25% or lower

[tough basalt]

Bro the boss jellyfish

[errant marsh]

They also have like 3 health

[pearl summit]

It is optional, scrap them

[errant marsh]

Smh

[errant marsh]

What character are you playing

[sonic tangle]

yeah i think scrappers are common enough that its not a big deal

you can hold onto them and still play the game

[pearl summit]

Turn them into frystals or ap rounds or speed

[tough basalt]

three to the power of twelve

[tough basalt]

Drifter

[errant marsh]

Drifter is definitely able to kill the vagrants before they blow up

[tough basalt]

I mean when theres so many of them

[quartz umbra]

Not easy if you have no speed

[errant marsh]

They don't blow up until they reach an HP threshold

[quartz umbra]

Welp im going to sleep BYE

[pearl summit]

Did you hit a mountain shrine?

[errant marsh]

Focus one at a time

[tough basalt]

Okay

[tough basalt]

Yea and artifact that makes them permanent

[sonic tangle]

risk reward

you hit the shrine on your own volition

[pearl summit]

Stay at a safe distance then

[tough basalt]

High risk low reward

[sonic tangle]

thats fine if i can overcome that risk anyway

[errant marsh]

My friend made me play honor + prestige it's actually a fucking horror game

[pearl summit]

Ah that makes sense

Sounds like a teleporter cope situation

[tough basalt]

Yea

[errant marsh]

What if it rains

[quartz umbra]

Oh I thought y’all were talking about the little ones

[tough basalt]

There are some characters i like using the artifact, like seeker cause the orbs give me shield and the aoe is bigger

[quartz umbra]

They can just appear out nowhere sometimes

[tough basalt]

Free items

Until i arrive to stage 5 and have like 4 overloading worms spawn

[sonic tangle]

happy birthday

[pearl summit]

Yeah, you need to be paranoid as fuck to survive with no speed on a stage with jellyfish

Not too hard to strafe if you see them tho

[quartz umbra]

And guess what, I am that kinda person lol

[tough basalt]

Does that bubble say happy birthday

[pearl summit]

That chance of even 1 cherf makes it all worth it

[sonic tangle]

its important to know that if you charge the tp to 99% enemies stop spawning

[tough basalt]

Kinda

[sonic tangle]

so thats usually the best strat in a cope run

[pearl summit]

It's a good thing we play commando because he never struggles

[sonic tangle]

charge it kill the adds then kill the boss

[sonic tangle]

yea

[quartz umbra]

Oh no, check em all buddy

[pearl summit]

Oh

[quartz umbra]

Click on my name

[tough basalt]

I see

[pearl summit]

It's a good thing you play every character because they never struggle

[quartz umbra]

True

[pearl summit]

It's crazy how good arti is when you have a shit run tho

[quartz umbra]

Welp sleepy time cyall

[pearl summit]

Bye bye

[tough basalt]

I dont think commando is bad but i think he lacks personality and its basically just items that makes him strong

[quartz umbra]

Yeah

[woeful python]

She just has an incredibly powerful kit

I think where she struggles actually is finding items that suit her needs

[pearl summit]

Ion surge alone saves runs

[gray jacinth]

i hate when people always put commando low on a tier list 🥺

[tough basalt]

I think her dps isnt that high

[pearl summit]

Ppl that do that are just bad at the game lowkey

Depending on the loadout

[woeful python]

Shes a mid range high damage character so most items dont fit her as well as others would

[woeful python]

Her dps (not including dlc) is like top 2

[tough basalt]

What items do i use

[woeful python]

Including dlc its like top 5

[tough basalt]

How

[gray jacinth]

just dont use grenade

[pearl summit]

I use grenades almost exclusively...

[woeful python]

Crowbars, ignition tanks, old guillotine is really good bc it stacks with ice, and any horizontal mobility u can get

[pearl summit]

Nades are good

[pearl summit]

Bands

[woeful python]

Items that trap are really good too actually so like tentabauble and stun grenade while not activating incredibly often will make it lightyears easier to hit ur opponent

[pearl summit]

Lumi is good on her too

[woeful python]

Oh and also obviously bands, artificer becomes busted with literally just one band

[tough basalt]

I see

[gray jacinth]

maybe im just a trash can but grenades are annoying to aim and imo suppressive fire is a lot better when you get syringes

[woeful python]

Suppressive fire and grenade both have their benefits

[pearl summit]

There is definitely a skill floor to the nades but I can't say that suppressive fire is bad, the stun can be very nice if you're desperate

[woeful python]

Grenade can stun aoe suppress fire is better for single target damage

[pearl summit]

The nades have some jank to them depending on geometry

[woeful python]

Also nade procs bands

[pearl summit]

I love nades

[gray jacinth]

yeah

[pearl summit]

It feels so good bouncing them off walls and hitting blind pests mid-air

[gray jacinth]

when i play commando i just m1 and m2 away

[sonic tangle]

suppressive fire scales better with what mando usually builds into

[pearl summit]

It does but it never feels like I need it

[sonic tangle]

its nice for stun and nice for longer ranges

[pearl summit]

I've never been like "I wish I had suppressive fire" when using nades but I have felt like I need nades when using suppressive fire

[steady vector]

Im off to work. See yall later

[gray jacinth]

true, i feel that way when early into a run and thinking “if i had a nade rn…”

[pearl summit]

Nades make early game so much easier

[gray jacinth]

true, his damage isnt great without some sort of proc item

once he gets those he becomes a top 3 character for me

[bright talon]

Ahoy!

[pearl summit]

He's my top 1 forever and always❤️

Ahoy!

[primal nova]

Stun grenade is sorta a gane changer on melee survivors is it not

[spare saddle]

Could be worse, it could have corrupted a titanic knurl

[primal nova]

I love clipping enemies into the shadow realm w Rex 👀

[errant marsh]

Love going to the shadow realm as merc

[primal nova]

Yesssss

[blissful torrent]

frag grenade doesn't stun, does it?

[woeful python]

Yes???

[blissful torrent]

coulda sworn suppressive fire stunned but frag grenade didn't

[primal nova]

Isn't hellfire tonic smw decent for rex?

[gray jacinth]

rex is so overhated

[primal nova]

I can see 😭😭😭

[plush gulch]

im a rex hater

[primal nova]

Considering he can legit js heal back to full hp in a matter of a few seconds

[spare saddle]

Damm 😔😔

[plush gulch]

but frankly if his starting speed was a bit faster than a turtle in a cold i wouldn't hate rex, at least not nearly as hard

[spare saddle]

Why even live at that point??

[blissful torrent]

if it does it's not listed on the wiki 🤷‍♀️

[plush gulch]

every time i start a run with him i wish i was doing literally anything else

[gray jacinth]

once it clicks it clicks

[plush gulch]

if i don't find mobility items within stage 2 it will actively make me want to kms with rex

[plush gulch]

i don't know if ill ever get used to the slowness. it just feels terrible

[blissful torrent]

last time i had zoea i was playing drifter and it turned my two merfs and three other yellows (five total too coincidentally) into a load of void reavers who ruined my combat flow because they kept forcing me to get off mithrix so i didn't get killed by their deathrattle

[plush gulch]

even with the utility for blast jumping

[primal nova]

Apparently when beetles are spawning in if u use ur utility u can clip them into the shadow realm

[plush gulch]

doesn't the void suicide bomb literally detain him into another dimension

[gray jacinth]

try a god run with rex using artifact of command or smth, you might be able to see the potential

[haughty crag]

forced god run is the worst way to learn a survivor

[plush gulch]

i mean that he dies in one hit, yeah

[blissful torrent]

no he's immune to it

[plush gulch]

no I've had good runs with rex, i dont mind his gimmick (even tho it conflicts with a lot of base mechanics and items, and also is rendered entirely useless by eclipse 8)

[primal nova]

Yuh

[plush gulch]

but my fucking god the first 20 minutes of a run are pure pain

[primal nova]

I swear I main arti of glass 😭😭😭

[primal nova]

Plus im playing w vengeance and morph so this'll be verybfun

[plush gulch]

that kinda sucks ngl

[gray jacinth]

youre not wrong, when i first got command as a noob i wouldnt stop using it, i had to let it go like an ex

[plush gulch]

most of the time ror2 lets you break it

i dont like these kinds of exceptions

[primal nova]

Lemurians and wisps / blind pests are instant run killers for starting a glass run

[blissful torrent]

they don't deal damage either, they just kill anything inside, so idk why mithrix was getting chunked in your run ovendud

[blissful torrent]

one flaming blind pest is a run killer for level 1 huntress

[primal nova]

Yurp

Blind pests one shot anything in glass

[full lotus]

finally, monsoon

[gray jacinth]

lowkey his special carries hard at that point

[blissful torrent]

flaming blind pest unironically oneshots huntress at level 1

with no artifacts

[full lotus]

my acrid spit with 30 stack of gasoline

[gray jacinth]

eradicate all blind pests

[primal nova]

I died to my umbra 😭😭😭

[primal nova]

Yes please

[blissful torrent]

okay i checked the void reaver wiki, the deathrattle deals 100% damage against final bosses but the void reaver's base damage is the same as mando's so i think it's literally the same as hitting mithrix with one commando m1

[forest crest]

who gave my dog 30 jerry cans full of gasoline

[primal nova]

Why do I spawn in w 9 hp on glass w huntress

[blissful torrent]

holy fragile

[forest crest]

huntress has a small healthpool

[primal nova]

No literally

[blissful torrent]

yea but even with glass and eclipse (which is only doable modded) you should be on 22.5hp when you spawn in at level 1

[terse ferry]

huntress has 90 hp at level 1

[blissful torrent]

OH WAIT

[primal nova]

Im on switch 😭

[forest crest]

💀

[blissful torrent]

artifact of glass =/= shaped glass my bad gang i forgot how the game works

[terse ferry]

evil and intimidating artifact

[primal nova]

I cant mod for shit

[gray jacinth]

sad, youll never be able to play ror2 robomando….

[haughty crag]

Nintendo Switch Has Games

[blissful torrent]

yea artifact of glass is 5x damage but 10% health i just forgot how it works

[primal nova]

Yup ☹️

Until I get a pc and get ror2 on steam 😭

Anyways im on gup falls 🥹

[gray jacinth]

trust when you get mods youll never be able to go back unless you overmod it

[primal nova]

As merc 😭😭😭

[primal nova]

Ooh 👀

Ive been watching trento and race lately

i almost got touched by a gup 🫪

And im only getting 5/6 items on the first stage

[wet thicket]

Does anyone have any advice for playing Drifter I feel like I never deal any fucking damage with her and with Junk Cube it's really janky and sometimes slides along the floor when I hit it instead of going upwards towards the flying enemies that I'm directly aiming at

[terse ferry]

dealing damage with drifter mostly just relies on m1ing while something is in your bag and using your m2 well
i can't really give any more tips since i dont usually run cube and whenever i do it's with tornado slam

oh something that does help with cube is remembering that you can shit them out pretty disposably if something is in your bag

[primal nova]

Artificer so fun to play as 🥹

[terse ferry]

you can place down up to 3 at once and if you put down all three at once on top of an enemy using junk to ignore the cooldown then having an enemy in your bag while you m1 should refund them while dealing good damage

[primal nova]

I say that as I die

Stupid lemurians

[wet thicket]

Yeah I do spam junk cubes when I can but I just had a situation where I had loads of enemies spawn and despite having what seems like a reasonable build I just could not kill anything

Like I had 3 crit, 3 watches, 4 syringes, gas, will-o-wisp, but my damage was just terrible

On top of other damage items I've forgotten lol

[swift heart]

when sale

[ionic glacier]

so much fun in multiplayer

her early game is really difficult

she's my favorite to play when looping

[sonic tangle]

yeah i love aiming arti m1 at solus scorchers in multiplayer

[terse ferry]

yeah i've got nothing to helpful to say tbh, sorry
i'm the cleanup girl because cleanup is awesome and obliterates any enemy of your choice if you manage junk well

[wet thicket]

Might have to try it on my next run, cheers

[ionic glacier]

with ping it's abysmal

but i feel most characters are

[terse ferry]

if you do then do be aware it can cancel your m1 anim to let you use it really quickly

[sonic tangle]

its the worst for slow projectile characters and arti is basically exclusively projectiles

[terse ferry]

straight up just hold m1 and spam m2 and it'll be insane melee damage

[ionic glacier]

oh also have any of u had this happen

[sonic tangle]

before i even watch the video its the transport drone bug isnt it

[terse ferry]

yeah

[sonic tangle]

yep

[gleaming flint]

Provibum

[sonic tangle]

https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/1449234893702692937

[gleaming flint]

Yeah it happen oftenly when the

[primal nova]

I wonder is rex's utility affected by their movement speed like is the push distance affected by how much attack speed/movement

Itd be hilarious if it was cus you could theoretically launch enemies across the map

[sonic tangle]

i doubt it

[gleaming flint]

Ts is full of suncles doing gearbox propaganda

[ionic glacier]

oh i didn't realize it was like a recurring bug

[primal nova]

Sadness

[ionic glacier]

i just thought it was really funny

[gleaming flint]

all threads made to report something is FILLED with suncles propaganda

im not kidding

i do believe that his job is arguing with people abt the game

[primal nova]

Lmao

[gleaming flint]

and talking about how it is ART and dlcs shouldnt be polished

im not joking

[primal nova]

Now a fun thing that should be done to Rex is they should be able to stick to the walls considering they're a spider?

[gleaming flint]

They're a robot in a symbiotic relationship with a dying plant

[primal nova]

Okay😭

[fresh idol]

i agree

[gleaming flint]

BUT YEAH

climbing would be pretty cool

since rex barely has any movement options

I FINALLY unlocked herectic

time to loop

im too weak to fight mithrix

Cautious slug is peak on herectic??

just 2 of them counters your ass regen

Ngl it feels like im cheating lol

not having the negative regen feels so weird

[golden linden]

I saw it lmfao

generational clip

[primal nova]

I still need to 😭😭😭

[gleaming flint]

thankfully i have that unlockable heretic+ mod

[forest crest]

heretic is such an easy W imo even if you don't counteract the negative regen

since the utility is just free healing

[primal nova]

Like w vf's 1st form's ult

[gleaming flint]

Also, shields stop the negative regen i think??

nope

[primal nova]

YO I CAN GET EITHER SOTS OR ALLOYED COLLECTIVE

Since I have 20 buckaroos to my name

AND THEN I CAN GET THE ONE I DONT PICK NEXT WEEK 🥹

[gleaming flint]

Sots + sotv + AC is almost R$ 100,00

its HORRIBLE

[primal nova]

Yer

[primal nova]

But I alr have sotv

[gleaming flint]

cool

[primal nova]

Plus on switch the bundle is only 60 buckaroos

[placid quail]

SOTS is the bestest most funnest DLC

[mild cloak]

release sots specifically

[placid quail]

But keep in mind that switch will never get the next DLC

[placid quail]

tbh I still really liked it back then

[primal nova]

Thats stupid ngl 😭😭😭

[placid quail]

Just making sure peeps know about that before it’s launch day and they wonder why it’s not showing up

[primal nova]

I mean at least we got alloyed collective

[placid quail]

True…

[terse ferry]

are you freaky

[primal nova]

Hmm so which one should I get 😭

[terse ferry]

AC i would say

i only like SOTS for chef and the false son fight and there are a lot of people who do not like the fs fight

[primal nova]

I was abt to ask is false son even a good survivor 😭😭😭

[terse ferry]

top 2

there's not even an argument for it seeker is top 1 and fs is top 2 😭

[primal nova]

Ooh okok

[terse ferry]

unless you mean like quality or fun wise

[primal nova]

No i meant in generao

[terse ferry]

fs is like top 2 in strength but that strength kind of makes him stale quickly

[upper wing]

fs id argue is better just because of how busted lunar ruin is in its current state

it just deletes all the final boss encounters

its so fucking busted

[terse ferry]

i mean yeah but seeker deals with literally everything with absurd efficiency while also being unkillable x2

unkillable x2 isn't even an exaggeration because the x2 refers to the fucking self-revive 😭

[sullen wing]

seeker truly is a wonder of game balance

[upper wing]

honestly thats true

but its so close that i dont even know

[blissful torrent]

i just don't get why they gave one special a built in dio's and not the other

[upper wing]

both are absurd for different reasons

[upper wing]

ive got not a clue, my friend!

[eager barn]

false son requires you to be somewhat awake

since you can die

[terse ferry]

because one is the defensive one i guess
ignoring the fact that meditate is 1900% damage in an aoe larger than the tp radius

[upper wing]

wasnt meditate like 2200%?? or am i tweaking

[terse ferry]

i think it was 1900% but i might be misremembering

lemme check

[blissful torrent]

1700% according to the wiki.gg

[upper wing]

no its 1700%

[eager barn]

im so drenched rn, i got on a bus like 6 mins ago and water is still dripping off my nose

[terse ferry]

damn we're all misinformants

[blissful torrent]

meditate is also easier to stack tranquility with than palm blast

[upper wing]

yeah

palm blast makes seeker somewhat normal balance wise

[echo idol]

whyd you do that . Give me my drone

[upper wing]

i still think seeker shoulda gotten an alt primary rather than an alt special

[terse ferry]

1112 seeker is probably seeker at her weakest state and it's still quite strong

[eager barn]

agree

[gleaming flint]

ts crown is so brittle

[upper wing]

“this shit crow is so brittle” ❤️

[blissful torrent]

i think meditate is almost incredibly cool but then it has a revive which is my least favourite mechanic on any ability in the game

[terse ferry]

crow

[gleaming flint]

Ts stop ts talking ts about ts me ts talking ts

This shit stop this shit talking this shit about this shit me this shit talking this shit

[eager barn]

same

[upper wing]

I WROTE CROW DAMMIT

FUCK LMAO

[gleaming flint]

fr

and the revive is SO cheap

you just need to wait some minutes

[eager barn]

wow

[echo idol]

is it

[gleaming flint]

QUICK. EXPLAIN DIFFICULTY COEFFICIENT NOW.

[echo idol]

it sounds fine 4 me

[vivid ember]

[gleaming flint]

Neutronium weight is just dirt cheap debuff stacking

[upper wing]

neutronium weight would be pretty neat if it worked all the time

[primal nova]

Got my gift card 😁

👀

[golden linden]

should be self explanatory

[sullen wing]

i dont get why they gave one special a built in dio's

[golden linden]

the coefficient then goes to effect multiple facets of the game

[gleaming flint]

ughhh doing all this m*th annoys me

[golden linden]

you don't need to do the math

[gleaming flint]

i know

[eager barn]

meth

[gleaming flint]

Ruin + Collapse is the absolute destruction

[eager barn]

add a noxious thorn into the mix

[echo idol]

false son lunar ruin with and

[golden linden]

heretic got a higher base damage right

[eager barn]

yeah

[gleaming flint]

Straight up obliteration

[golden linden]

collapse so nasty on her

[eager barn]

collapse noxious thorn is great cause it means the collapse doesnt get wasted to the same degree if you kill the enemy before it goes off

and ofc transferring ruin is just really strong

[molten hound]

hi

[gleaming flint]

10 needleticks + false son + essence of heresy + kjaro's and runalds = death

[gleaming flint]

Hello my CLOVERS

cmon waste your slimepost

[primal nova]

Welp i got alloyed collective

[gleaming flint]

bad luck

[primal nova]

I meant to grab sots but oh well now I can get arti of prestige

[molten hound]

i dont wanna get muted for another goddamn day

[gleaming flint]

Hello my CLOVERS

i mean there arent any cloverposting rules over me

[primal nova]

Also I need to finish my run and then close my game 😭😭😭

[gleaming flint]

yeah obv

[molten hound]

do it every like 2-4 hours and then lets see

[primal nova]

I was mid run when I left to get giftcard 😁

Also yayyyy I stayed vf

[gleaming flint]

A world without end.
A world protected.
Hosts shadowed by oblivion, reigned in.
All for the life of a worm.
In the worlds without,
Where are their guardians to guide them?
Where will their souls go, in the end?
Why let chaos rule, when power can decide?

-- Providence An Unknown Author

[primal nova]

I have morph on :3

[molten hound]

old log was better

[gleaming flint]

nah

[gleaming flint]

it din't make sense

[primal nova]

I actually have every arti I have on besides sacrifice on 😭

[eager barn]

it did

there was one contradiction with a plotpoint that already has a contradiction

[haughty crag]

"Ha Ha Ha I Am Mithrix And I'll Kill You"

• Mithrix

[molten hound]

1rainilion??????

[gleaming flint]

Hello my CLOVERS

[eager barn]

a moment fractured and gilded coast log always contradicted

[haughty crag]

I hit the riskpot 1rainillion$

[eager barn]

the latter log was further expanded by egocentrism and the new ambry variants

[molten hound]

"my name is mithrix
i made the chimeras
it was difficult, to put the designs together"
-mithrix

[eager barn]

and sauteed worms old log was consistent with amf log

[molten hound]

amf?

[eager barn]

a moment, fractured

[molten hound]

ah i see

[eager barn]

amf and old sauteed worms show the betrayal being the first use of the teleporters

gilded coast, egocentrism and new ambry logs depict the betrayal as being later

[vapid dagger]

The first use of the teles was pretty clearly the betrayal i think

Mithrix goes through the teleporter which was constructed by providence to be intentionally one way

[eager barn]

that was the intention but they kinda scuppered that later on unfortunately

I, the only one who looked out for you after her death.

i wish they just went with what goes down in amf for later logs, but they didnt

i find it a lot more interesting

[willow cobalt]

free my boyoloing

[eager barn]

theres also The jailer even allowed the prisoner company – smaller constructs, a few rowdy Lemurians. The scraps of creation.

which means lems were present pre-betrayal

they kinda fumbled the story and accidentally retconned a big aspect of it

and then rolled with it

[gleaming flint]

Couldn't mithrix make a bunch of chimeras and send them to petrichor 5

[golden linden]

you can argue for both sides right

there is the family event, but there is also how he would do it

[harsh crater]

Will we ever get a boss that’s like alloy worship unit

[gleaming flint]

put them really close to the design pillar so they get launched to petrichor 5

[native falcon]

u mean like solus wing?

[gleaming flint]

couldn't mithrix try to fake being an ally, to be rescued?

and THEN betray us?

[molten hound]

why is it that greens from small chests are always good
but greens from big chests are ass

[molten hound]

ive BEEN saying this

[native falcon]

Mithrix is too big a hater he wouldnt be able to keep it up

[gleaming flint]

The retired captain that travelled throught planets is xenophobic
how ironic

[sullen wing]

i like not knowing anything about ror2 lore so this game is just about teleporting around then beating up some chud with a hammer then the place blows up for no reason

[upper wing]

what does chat think of drifter

[molten hound]

when was the last time you got a good green from a large chest

[gleaming flint]

he could, he was sending providence a billion messages for the whole eternity

[molten hound]

peak gaming

[golden linden]

he had a vessel with him, it's not as simple as jumping on the ship and coming home fro him

[vital depot]

for the survivors that’s actually not far off tbh

[sullen wing]

a bit boring

[terse ferry]

fire emoji

[native falcon]

I have opinions...

[molten hound]

no you dont

[sullen wing]

drifter gameplay is fun but green scrap is far too strong

[tight kayak]

fr it's always or something

[vital depot]

the thing with the lore is that almost all of it is completely out of the player character’s knowledge, so you’re just doing shit to be doing shit most of the time

[sullen wing]

you legit cannot die once you get 10+ green scrap

[eager barn]

cool in ror2, i find the alt special a bit overly complicated and the passive a bit overtuned, but generally very cool with nice alt skills and has fun limitations

[upper wing]

honestly shes like almost at the gold standard level for me, right alongside operator and railgunner

[gleaming flint]

He COULD escape by faking being an ally and manipulating us

[eager barn]

i prefer the visual design of rorr drifter, but gameplay wise i much prefer ror2 drifter, shed cool

[native falcon]

Drifter is lowkey the worst character in the game on E8 lacking in damage, mobility and range

[golden linden]

he could only really escape by teleporting

[molten hound]

i have luscious locks you huge enormous chudster

[gleaming flint]

why?

[tight kayak]

unpolished

[golden linden]

he would die if he was in space

[terse ferry]

since we're on the topic of drifter what do we think of indirect salvage buff idea

[golden linden]

space sickness

[eager barn]

i dont think she looks bad though and generally this is the case for most survivors tbf

[gleaming flint]

what about teleportation sickness

[sour nest]

I prefer tougher times, also unlike safer spaces it's only for a singular hit in the entire fight, and it could be just some weak random wisp shot which it reduces the damage from.

[eager barn]

except for commando, i prefer ror2 commando

[terse ferry]

word named idea:

[molten hound]

i had an idea that drifters scrap bar could have more capacity the more temp items she had

[sullen wing]

why would salvage need a buff

[golden linden]

mithrix was famously trying to build a tele for millenia

with no avail

it's the only way out for him

should have petted the frog

[sullen wing]

wait im washed is salvage the reroll or the spawn temporary items

[terse ferry]

it doesnt really need a buff but i do find it really strange how her base special doesn't synergize with her passive while her alt special does
and said alt special is the only way for her basekit to use her passive without rng giving you a scrapper

[molten hound]

i like rorr commando more than ror2
i dont think ive ever beat the game without rorr commando

[sullen wing]

ok yeah that one doesnt need a buff then

[eager barn]

i dont think salvage needs it, seems kinda redundant and would lead to greater fluctuation of stats imo

[gleaming flint]

space sickness is NOT something that exists

[terse ferry]

that's tinker

[vital depot]

Tinker is the one that rerolls multi shops and printers

[eager barn]

visually im speaking

[golden linden]

it is

[gleaming flint]

i believe that gods are just dumb by nature in ror

[upper wing]

i love tinker personally

[golden linden]

nope

[gleaming flint]

i love to think too

[upper wing]

its among the more “out there” abilities in this game

[terse ferry]

ability named salvage that gives you things and ability named tinker that tinkers with things
how is it so hard to remember </3

[golden linden]

it's not as simple as not being able to breath or the coldness of space

[sullen wing]

i was fed misinformation
salvage does need a buff then

[sour nest]

I think salvage deserves a little bump up, not anything massive though.

[upper wing]

drifter is full of those

[golden linden]

they are bound to their planet and moon system

[eager barn]

tinker is almost cool but i wish it didnt reroll trishops and i think random debuffs is overly complex

[sullen wing]

well tinker salvages scrap from items soo

[gleaming flint]

Where is it stated?

[eager barn]

i almost like it and im glad others do

[gleaming flint]

and if they were bound, teleporting away wouldnt work

[sullen wing]

does anyone actually use tinker for random debuffs

[upper wing]

tinker is (or at least feels) so busted but in the cool way i think

[molten hound]

well ror1 commando is like 10 pixels

[upper wing]

its not just giga stats

[sour nest]

The main issue with salvage to me is that it's useless for final bosses and temp items aren't as good as the game wants to act like they are.

[golden linden]

they don't instantly die for it

[molten hound]

i really like tinker

[upper wing]

it literally lets you like fucking bend rng

[terse ferry]

no because half the debuff pool for it is debuffs that either don't do anything major or literally do not function

[golden linden]

it is known that providence was suffering while attacking the CL

[eager barn]

i said rorr

[gleaming flint]

so traveling to other planets?

[molten hound]

oh nvm then i misread

[sullen wing]

tinker is very good too bad green scrap makes drifter op in a boring unfun way

[terse ferry]

"Accelerant
Accelerant (non-functioning variant)"
are we for fucking real gearbox

[gleaming flint]

so gods cant leave their planet and moon system AND are dumb as hell

[sullen wing]

if green scrap gave a different buff i would genuinely play no one but drifter lol

[upper wing]

yes, yes we are

[golden linden]

they can't be in space

I meant bound as in they can't leave it, but they can teleport away fine

[eager barn]

im saying i prefer the visual design of rorr drifter, but also i prefer the visual designif most rorr survivors over their ror2 counterparts visually

[golden linden]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/A_Moment,_Fractured

[gleaming flint]

ohh makes sense

[eager barn]

gameplay wise i prefer ror2 drifter in pretty much every way, they mader her rlly fun

[golden linden]

this is also the log of the betrayal

[gleaming flint]

couldn't him also ask for the players help?

[sullen wing]

so basically it slows in 67 different ways or does nothing

[sour nest]

The funny thing is I feel like green scrap is designed fine for a drifter that uses salvage, they just didn't think about the use case with tinker is my guess.

[gleaming flint]

acting like an ally WOULD work and nothing is here to say otherwise

[sullen wing]

i think green scrap just needs a cap of like. 5 lol

[terse ferry]

nano bug is a pretty major debuff too but the problem is it expires upon hitting the ground and tinker doesn't knock enemies up 😭

[terse ferry]

caps are boring thoughhh
just nerf the effect since the green pool sucks so much you can expect to have at least 10 on any given run

[eager barn]

my main complaint with tinker is that it does too much stuff it doesnt necessarily need ti do

[gleaming flint]

"but they don't know how to-" i mean, mithrix had a LOT of knowledge about the universe's building blocks, and with a bunch of people to help, teleporters could be recreated

[sullen wing]

yeah a cap would be boring and i'd rather the effect be different entirely

[eager barn]

it could be much more concise without sacrificing much

[gleaming flint]

it is KIND, KIND, AND I MEAN KIND of plot hole

[sour nest]

I really like tinker as an ability since it pretty much allows you the most control over your build to any other character in the game, but they really did overdesign it for no real reason?

[eager barn]

its a cool skill idea regardless

[upper wing]

green scrap is a quite nutty, especially early on, but it isnt too harmful i think

[upper wing]

especially since im like 99% sure that it doesnt scale with level

its just a flat 3/s

[sullen wing]

if drifter gets 10 green scrap they win the run

[upper wing]

i think its the fun kind of nutty, lets you stay in the fight longer

[eager barn]

i hate to say it cause word because its probs the biggest buzz word in the community, but it does feel a little bloated

[sullen wing]

idk its just kinda boring? like drifters not doing anything cool shes just immortal

[gleaming flint]

also, getting red scrap for attack speed is so ass

[eager barn]

i like effable skills

[sour nest]

Gearbox seems to love making characters with absolutely insane HP regen. False son first, drifter now.

[sullen wing]

i'd rather have attack speed than wake of vultures, mask, or the temp item one

[golden linden]

nothing to say in favor either

[upper wing]

to be fair they are melee characters, and drifter has pretty poor range often

false son is just absurd but conceptually the regen makes sense for him too

[gleaming flint]

N'kuhanna (survivor form, just like false son survivor form) will have infinite hp regen btw

[harsh crater]

No like a stage 4 boss that also has special requirements in place of the legendary chest

[upper wing]

if they make a fucking nkuhana survivor i am going to laugh

[terse ferry]

drifter also has like okay reasoning for her regen if we assume that either tinker doesn't exist or the green pool isn't filled with garbage

[sour nest]

I get false son's regen, it makes sense and he's busted in a bajillion different ways than just that.

[upper wing]

exactly

[vapid dagger]

this is from the egocentrism logs right?

[terse ferry]

but as it is 3hp/s per scrap is fucking stupid

[sour nest]

I feel like false son is intentionally as busted as he is.

[eager barn]

they make lots of high stock count secondaries

[eager barn]

yeah

[upper wing]

the green pool isnt as bad as youre saying i think a lot of it is just ridiculously situational

[sullen wing]

gearbox made shit too weak in sots release and to compensate they make everything ever way too strong

[vapid dagger]

i always saw that as mithrix reaching out to providence AFTER the betrayal

"i know you can hear me"

[sullen wing]

a lot of green items arent bad, but 3 hp/s kinda mogs most of them

[fresh idol]

False Son is the opposite of the "unlock boss" meme
trash boss, op character

[livid idol]

Sure is!

[gleaming flint]

Im a full, 100% drizzle player, and my FIRST AND ONLY TIME playing moonsoon was with false son, and i was able to kill mithrix with himm

[terse ferry]

yeah fair i think a better term would be highly scrappable instead of direct garbage

[upper wing]

like for example berzerkers pauldron isnt an amazing item if you cant make it work, but when it actually works it goes nuts

[sullen wing]

idk the boss is kinda scary sometimes

[upper wing]

yeah

[eager barn]

god thatd be awful

[vapid dagger]

he wanted an explanation for why

[terse ferry]

brodun jumpscare!
hello

[sullen wing]

until phase 1 ends and he doesnt shoot the fuck you instakill spikes anymore

[livid idol]

Boo

[upper wing]

id say there are few greens that are truly laughable in terms of their overall use

[fresh idol]

i main Commando so he is like the easiest boss if i can just kill the golems fast enough

[sour nest]

The funny thing is how the boss fight loves to one shot you, and the character loves to one shot everything. The actual character is quite accurate to the fight itself.

[eager barn]

hes so stilly i cant take him seriously

[gleaming flint]

this shows a lot about him

[eager barn]

he cant even navigate his own arena

[upper wing]

i respect gearbox making their own oc for sots

[fresh idol]

i don't

[sullen wing]

shoutout to solus heart or whatever that guys called for being the first good final boss in ror2

[eager barn]

i think false son conceptually is cool and the design is cool, beyond that im not a fan

[sour nest]

Even though it isn't a final boss, Swing is my fav final boss lmfao.

[upper wing]

“instead of building on some other thing and not actually making truly original stuff we’re just gonna bullshit our way through this one”

[sour nest]

I prefer it to Shart.

[vapid dagger]

i still dont really feel like false son's creation makes sense on the timeline to me

[gleaming flint]

alongside mithrix

[upper wing]

i dont think the end result is amazing but i respect it

[eager barn]

yeah me neither

[sour nest]

Mithrix has like 3 total attacks, and he loves to absolutely spam that hammer slam.

[upper wing]

i still think false son being a direct survivor was a great idea

[eager barn]

the corruption shoehorned in raises lots of questions for me

[sullen wing]

mithrix gameplay is sitting on a ramp for 8 minutes

his only attack is the pizza

[upper wing]

i wish the golem survivor was something else

[upper wing]

cuz dont get me wrong a melee golem is dope as shit

[supple stirrup]

is mod discussion allowed 👁️

[eager barn]

yeah i dont like fs being a survivor either

[knotty canyon]

no i'll ban you

(yes)

[supple stirrup]

fuhhh

[eager barn]

at least the name is an occupation in a way lol

[upper wing]

i just think that making the boss the survivor is very good

[sour nest]

I actually do like FS being a survivor, I feel like this game was prime potential for the "final boss becomes a playable character" trope.

[fresh idol]

Nkuhana character next

[upper wing]

it adds unnecessary confusion i think

[eager barn]

i really dislike that part personally it doesnt sit right with me

[supple stirrup]

Anyways..
Dude umbral mithrix is so fun

I don’t think I’ve ever survived bro but he’s so fun to fight

[gleaming flint]

prov dies > false sonion is built > given life > we recieve the call > fs is corrupted > we reach petrichor 5?

[supple stirrup]

I saw that 👁️

[echo idol]

i think false son is cool lore wise no bias but twould be cooler if we had a skin for him TOO BAD WE ARENT GETTING ANY MORE!!! that interprets his design if he were a survivor

[upper wing]

the lore of this game is all bullshit pulled out of peoples asses and that isnt a bad thing just dont expect it to make the most sense

[fresh idol]

sonion ring

[eager barn]

acrid makes sense cause hes from the ues and he doesnt shrink

[supple stirrup]

Waitwaitwait…

NO MORE SKINS???????????????

[fresh idol]

yeah like how is the lore gonna get a proper timeline when all characters are doing whatever the fuck they are doing at the same time

[echo idol]

not for false son lol

[eager barn]

the whole redemption thing resulting him aligning with the ues is a bit odd

[supple stirrup]

Oh
Still… 😔

[gleaming flint]

Dude this son is so false lol

[fresh idol]

are you really saying to me that Commando did a full boss run all out of an accident?

[echo idol]

well i mean this much makes sense

[fresh idol]

hey i just used these teleporters and portals and killed everything

in this specific order

[upper wing]

ror’s lore is fucking wack and i respect that

[vapid dagger]

what was the job again?

[echo idol]

lore wise its probably just we go kill mithrix

[upper wing]

even if i play the game for the gameplay

[echo idol]

gameplay isnt lore

[supple stirrup]

Hey I aligned the teleporter with the planet and it teleported me to the same place I was the first time

[echo idol]

your full boss commando run probably isnt canon

[golden linden]

retrieving bodies (actually retrieving cargo)

[sullen wing]

yeah that happens when you do that

[fresh idol]

not even that. Commando didn't even know about Mithrix

[supple stirrup]

Yeah

[tight kayak]

this is called looping

[golden linden]

UESC is a private company

[echo idol]

well he kinda has to get to the rescue ship either way

[eager barn]

i care for the worldbuilding much more than i do the story

[golden linden]

they are in there for money

[fresh idol]

the job of the mercenaries was to seek survivors and retrieve cargo

[vapid dagger]

well..... shit

[echo idol]

which means he has to go through mithrix

[molten hound]

guess who just got an aspect

[fresh idol]

everything else was collateral damage

[gleaming flint]

commando just wants some money...

[upper wing]

my favorite character in the game is commando and i think thats really odd

[supple stirrup]

Commando is kinda cool tbh

[gleaming flint]

i hope you get a extremely average life

[upper wing]

ive found that a lot of people that play the game for a very long time end up liking mando the most

[eager barn]

my fav characters are 2mando and operator

[echo idol]

the most canon part of the dlcs is probably that false son assists in killing mithrix

[molten hound]

its not hes cool

[vapid dagger]

commando is just some soldier who was lucky enough to not instantly die

[molten hound]

he has a high skill celing

[fresh idol]

idk about that either

[echo idol]

the entire path of us killing sheart probably just never happens in lore, killing voidling too

[vapid dagger]

theres something so compelling about that premise

[echo idol]

just fun gameplay shenegains

[eager barn]

i like commando's hesitation, they struck the perfect amount of characterisation i feel

[gleaming flint]

exact

[supple stirrup]

What is voidling to the void

[tight kayak]

i would respect that if you were talking about but is just bland in a bad way imo

[molten hound]

i think seperate survivors have seperate endings
viend probably kills vling

[gleaming flint]

the characterisation is like 2 lines at most

[supple stirrup]

Is it actually the final big thingy there or is it just something that’s bigger than the other stuff we see