ror2-discussion

[vapid dagger]

bc you take less overall

[languid crystal]

bro if sum takes twenty seconds to land i hope itd have more dmg

[vapid dagger]

bc you can actually dodge

[blissful torrent]

yea this is what i meant, diablo barely gets used so you're pretty much just an m1 machine all run

[tribal dragon]

underrated aspect of captain/bandit is applying full shustice in one shot

[sonic tangle]

when it lands the enemies already died to m1

[golden linden]

you can dodge as mul-t too though

[languid crystal]

wrong

fake news

[vapid dagger]

doesnt make him better at dodging than commando

[blissful torrent]

NOT TRUE‼️ when you play mul-t you actually get sucked into enemy projectiles!

[vapid dagger]

which its like night and day the difference between them

[golden linden]

and doesn't make commando a better tank than mul-t

[tribal dragon]

commando does have like, a top 3 utility in the game lowkey

the slide is so satisfying

[errant marsh]

He's not better at dodging but he has 2 times as much health

[sonic tangle]

yeah mult actually has magnets inside that magnetise all projectiles into itself

[vapid dagger]

and commando still takes like half as many hits

[sonic tangle]

top 3 hell no but its one of my favorites

[errant marsh]

Even if you get hit twice as much they survive just as long statistically

[golden linden]

but it's ok if mul-t take hits because you won't die anyway

[tribal dragon]

pillar skip with a single spur

[vapid dagger]

commando has a higher potential to survive is the point

[golden linden]

unless you are allergic to seeing your hp bar getting lower

[sonic tangle]

that doesnt matter to me

[golden linden]

that doesn't sound true at all

but I struggle to think how you would convey it either

[sonic tangle]

a compelling argument is mando being better at dodging makes him better at maintaining opal and safer spaces

[vapid dagger]

thats not even what im going for

[sonic tangle]

it wasnt but i thought of it

[vapid dagger]

bc with commando its much more reasonable to actually no hit

[errant marsh]

Ive dragged many shit mul T runs to the finish line purely because I can eat hits and survive them he's my goat fr

[golden linden]

is the metric being able to no hit or to win?

[sonic tangle]

ac who else do you think is worse than mando

ik loader is one of them

but we wont get into that

[golden linden]

you love it

[vapid dagger]

and while its not realistic to expect that, commando being significantly closer at achieving means he can survive WAY more than mul-t who will inevitably be forced to tank way more

[golden linden]

both are surviving

[vapid dagger]

loader is only just behind commando in my metrics bc shes still really solid for having insane rushing potential

[sonic tangle]

who else is worse

[vapid dagger]

its the difference between tanking an instant kill and dodging an instant kill

[sonic tangle]

arti?

[golden linden]

one has to build into it and the other has it naturally, and with the other not having to build into it saves more space to do the thing that actually makes you survive

that is killing the guys

[vapid dagger]

arti possibly

[sonic tangle]

bandit?

[tribal dragon]

I do think rex, factoring in eclipse, is worse given healing isn't as strong of a resource
the boop is fun but can be hard to know when to utilize, also a large hurtbox

[golden linden]

what instant kill mul-t can't dodge

[vapid dagger]

bandit yeah

[tribal dragon]

bandit has infinite damage potential

[sonic tangle]

ok yeah rex is probably worse

[tribal dragon]

he is NOT worse than mando

[sonic tangle]

a potential he doesnt reach

[eternal plinth]

Does anyone have a risk of rain wallpaper I can use

[sonic tangle]

i love bandit and i think an argument for mando > bandit is sound

[vapid dagger]

its not about cant
its about it being significantly more likely to find yourself in a position where you just kind of have to eat the damage

[golden linden]

what is the position and situation

[sonic tangle]

bandit wanes a lot in terms of consistency

[vapid dagger]

bc youre big and cant turn easily

[errant marsh]

I'll give you bandit ig

Even though I don't agree

[tribal dragon]

mastering movement with bandit is super satisfying too, they aren't as high as say merc's jumps but you can effectively triple jump with utility + m2

[sonic tangle]

bandit mobility is super fluid

[blissful torrent]

with lights out you can get infinite height

[sonic tangle]

thats a gimmick but a fun one

[vapid dagger]

bandit is one i dont like putting that low bc hes one of my favorites

[tribal dragon]

honestly the most satisfying character to master movement with behind loader

[vapid dagger]

but he does not scale well enough to really compete with characters that do

[sonic tangle]

i dont mind admitting that hes weaker than the others

ok is viend better or worse than mando

[vapid dagger]

he is fast enough and powerful enough at base in general to stay afloat through rushing tho

i dont know where id put viend

[tribal dragon]

I don't find stacking desperado super painful in later stages tbh, there's still enough weaker enemies to farm stacks off of, the main draw is the moon but even then it's not too much of a pain

[sonic tangle]

are any dlc characters worse than mando actually

[vapid dagger]

viend feels like a better powermode mult

[errant marsh]

He is

[sonic tangle]

yeah fair

[tribal dragon]

based purely on loadout and how detrimental early game can be for her, drifter unfortunately

[sonic tangle]

honestly bandit vs mando is a tossup for me

[weary ocean]

Tbh might try double rebar and power mode later

[sonic tangle]

drifter has insane highs tbf

[weary ocean]

Doesn't sound like a bad idea

[errant marsh]

Rebar retool is the way

[weary ocean]

No because it's affected by fire rate

[blissful torrent]

double scrap launcher retool is the real way

[golden linden]

what is the mod that shows you the amount of items you have

[weary ocean]

Sounds fun

[vapid dagger]

drifter maybe
but thats a hard one for me to say with any certainty bc she does have plenty of good tools to scale really well but is kind of incapable of finishing the game within a reasonable timeframe like commando is

[tribal dragon]

she absolutely does, but if you have to deal with pests or scorchers stage 1, drifter is a chore

[vapid dagger]

and i admittedly have a bias against drifter and a lot less experience with her

[sonic tangle]

i mean if we go off the metric of win consistency rather than speed then sure

[vapid dagger]

so this one you can ignore if you want

[sonic tangle]

but i dont think thats the case

[tribal dragon]

i do like that she's a pure melee character at heart and junk cube is one of my favorite skills, but i find the early game as drifter to be SUCH a slog

[blissful torrent]

imo drifter is better if you have a slower playstyle but for someone such as yourself who plays relatively quickly from what i remember, i don't think she really holds a candle

[sonic tangle]

yeah especially since tinker is smth you havent really learnt to use yet methinks

[vapid dagger]

its a combination of the two

[tribal dragon]

and i'm saying this as someone who averages 60+ minute runs lol

[sonic tangle]

tinker is very powerful but does make your run slower

[vapid dagger]

acrid and captain scale so obnoxiously well that they end up in my top 5 bc it really does not matter how slow you go with them

[blissful torrent]

acrid is the most consistent survivor imo

[vapid dagger]

rex is definitely below commando tho

[tribal dragon]

i think my main issue is just how limited her kit is against aerial enemies

[blissful torrent]

just because poison is the most consistent ability in the game

[sonic tangle]

top 5 you mean

[golden linden]

being able to give up a bit of looting so your run can end sooner makes the survivor stronger?

[vapid dagger]

yeah top five

[sonic tangle]

[tribal dragon]

junk cube nukes wisps but pests and scorchers will flay you alive if you let them keep spawning

[errant marsh]

In eclipse sure

[vapid dagger]

yes
its why loader and bandit place a bit higher than mult and rex

[golden linden]

i don't care about no placing

[vapid dagger]

bc they just floor the game

[golden linden]

I do think that is bullshit too

[sonic tangle]

i think in general rex is worse than mando overall

[vapid dagger]

artificer is an interesting one tho bc she feels like commando in a lot of ways
but like
expert commando

i also keep forgetting about ion surge

[errant marsh]

Better commando is named operator

[vapid dagger]

which puts her quite high

[tribal dragon]

rex's kit is just not as well-tuned for playing e8 so i have a little bit of bias against him

he's not as bad as i've seen some people say but he takes a lot more thought in terms of when and how to use his abilities, especially self-damage ones

[blissful torrent]

ion surge is just a stronger ability for arti than flamethrower but it's so much more boring

[sonic tangle]

yeah

[blissful torrent]

tho i have to admit that being able to pillar skip itemless is always nice

[vapid dagger]

so yeah i think thats pretty much all the characters id put below commando
not exactly 8 bc the majority of dlc character i dont even think about bc theyre so overpowered but yeah

[tribal dragon]

i love arti

top 3 for me prob

[vapid dagger]

commando is balanced and consistent

[blissful torrent]

as you would know if you watched woolie, commando has stage 3 falloff 🙄

whatever that means

[molten hound]

i fucking hate woolie

[errant marsh]

So does chef iirc

[vapid dagger]

which in relation to some of the other things in this game is below average

[sonic tangle]

shush

[tribal dragon]

woolie shut the fuck up challenge

[molten hound]

commando has stage 3 fallON

[errant marsh]

Chef is a bad scaling character he sucks

[blissful torrent]

he also said he'd only played chef twice since the rework, that tier list was so scuffed

[molten hound]

i love chef

[errant marsh]

Falls off stage 3

[blissful torrent]

it makes me so happy when i see someone dogging on woolie in a different content creator's comment section and the content creator giving it a like

[tribal dragon]

chef is strong but super awkward, his cleavers are cool but very weird to get used to, and his utility is a fall damage magnet

ice + yes chef is so fun though

[vapid dagger]

with the number of loop runs that have turned cope on occasion from me going too slowly and the number of items ive been able to win in spite of that through the utilization of excellent mobility and kiting characters that cant pick their battles will generally place lower than characters that can
and its why i do not think highly of mul-t

[sonic tangle]

chef is just strong because he has big numbers

[molten hound]

something i found really annoying about woolie is that one "can you beat ror2 with only lunars" vid
i watched him explain obvious shit with blurred gameplay in the backround and he never actually showed the run

[vernal heath]

Wandering Chef might genuinely be my favorite part about the AC DLC
Sweet sweet sauteed worms

[tribal dragon]

I tend to not loop unless I'm playing with friends

[blissful torrent]

average woolie experience

i never loop, i actively refuse to in multiplayer because it's so boring to me

[tribal dragon]

I'm an e8 stage 5 moon purist who never uses lunars (except for effigy when i'm too lazy to potroll)

[sonic tangle]

chuddie

[vapid dagger]

characters like railgunner remain powerful enough to not care about cope too hard and i would place her a bit above commando as a result

[molten hound]

like bro i am NOT watching yo damn vod
i would like to keep my ears

[tribal dragon]

if my friends want to, i don't really care. i just choose not to when solo

[vapid dagger]

as long as you take concussion device

her base kit actually scales quite well

[sonic tangle]

i dont think whether or not the run is a loop or not changes the viability of anyone compared to anyone else too much

not in my experience anyway

[vapid dagger]

it does make loader feel a lot weaker from my experience

[tribal dragon]

looped runs are always bound to scale you well outside of the realm of enemies

[sonic tangle]

looping with all dlcs is just a victory lap

[vapid dagger]

characters that lack range or mobility do start to feel looping pretty hard

[errant marsh]

You either die instantly while looping or everything else dies instantly

No in between

[golden linden]

the between is if you forgive looting as a mechanic

one too many a time

[molten hound]

first stage of the loop is kind of the in between

[golden linden]

shoutouts homie you don't talk here anymore but you learned the hard way

[molten hound]

my g

[vapid dagger]

stages 6-9 are the hardest part of a run

[molten hound]

he does talk here time to time but hes usally grinding

[sonic tangle]

yeah stage 6 is weird because youre suddenly on a small stage 1 environment with t2 elites jumping you

[languid crystal]

i never loop eve ever

[molten hound]

man got every alt aside family bonding
wouldnt be suprised if he already has it

[sonic tangle]

it might just be a downpatched thing

looping has always been brainlessly easy for me

[vapid dagger]

if you are doing well during stage 9 you wont do poorly for the rest of the run

thats how it goes

[tribal dragon]

I never find this to be the case when I do loop

anything after stage 5 just becomes Kill Everything Simulator

[sonic tangle]

hardest stages for me are probably 3 and 4

[tribal dragon]

I say difficulty spikes most around stage 4, but sometimes stage 3, like if you get the hellscape that is alluvium

[vapid dagger]

i think stages 2 and 3 are usually harder than 4

the initial part of stage 5 can be rough too

but once you deal with the pre spawns its pretty easy

and as onett pointed out this might be a downpatched/sotv only impression

[molten hound]

i love when a new person appears so i can check their bio and such
quite fun ngl

[vapid dagger]

i do also never take void items

[tribal dragon]

I don't take lunars

unless, you know, cleansing pool

[vapid dagger]

which should limit commando more than other characters

in theory

[molten hound]

i try to get 4 eulogys

[golden linden]

you are getting less items, it's limiting fundamentally

[vapid dagger]

i do think a character's ability to use lunars and voids well should also be taken into some account

[molten hound]

its hard sometimes when a large chest gets lunar'd

but when a cleansing pool appears and i have like 22 lunars its so peak

[vapid dagger]

yes but the way they would boost commando seems like itd be a bigger deal than say loader

[molten hound]

i wonder if blast is good with runic

probably its a 9% chance and 4 charges with a quick reload

[vapid dagger]

the stages commando struggles most with are some of the earlier ones which are when voids are at their best generally

and he is rather likely to get a decent amount from just about all of them

[golden linden]

get a decent amount?

[vapid dagger]

of extra power or advantage whatever you want to call it

[molten hound]

my favourite void is plimp
because if you have kampeners it looks really cool

[golden linden]

hmmmm

[molten hound]

suspicously placed large chest

[golden linden]

it jumped right up

[vapid dagger]

hes very likely to use a polylute efficiently
its going to be a lot closer to an actual 45% damage increase in the average run than with loader who may occasionally never even have the chance for it to even do damage

bc she just kills so quickly already

[golden linden]

it will when it matters

[vernal heath]

Went to Mithrix before deciding I maybe want more from my sauteed worms, no way back now, right?

[vapid dagger]

not necessarily
bc of her low hit rates giving her much lower chances to activate

[golden linden]

it's the same chances

[vapid dagger]

you can go several minutes without getting anything from polylute

[golden linden]

it's a 25% be real

[vapid dagger]

if you are particularly unlucky

[livid idol]

It's a 25% chance thats a tad hyperbolic

[vapid dagger]

yeah several minutes is a bit hyperbolic yeah

but the point is commando will pretty consistently just do more damage with it

not quite as much

[golden linden]

I don't follow the logic

[vapid dagger]

but it happens so frequently that it adds up and remains a more stable item

[livid idol]

She will hit it less but she's generally getting more out of those procs because she deals more damage with the tools she uses in combat- the gauntlets and slam are a lot more than 100% damage. Total damage is just kinda good on everyone

[golden linden]

you'll see it pop more on beetles and guards, but on the targets that matter they'll be there

[vapid dagger]

imagine this scenario
you kill something in 5 attacks over 30 seconds without polylute
you have enough polylutes to deal 4 full attacks worth of damage
how frequently will polylute actually use its full damage?

[golden linden]

25% of your punches will have 3 lightining strikes that deal 60% total damage

[livid idol]

What I will say is that single target is something i don't care about on loader as much so I'd rather a uke to hit enemies not in my direct line of fighting than a polylute, but polylute is still damn good

[golden linden]

on commando those will be 60% of double tap 100%

on loader they'll be 60% of 2700%, not counting heavy

[golden linden]

the enemy is dead, I have no loss aversion

[vapid dagger]

now imagine the same scenario with one change
it takes 100 attacks over 30 seconds to kill

every polylute strike will indeed help less
but its much more likely to help the full amount its intended to

[golden linden]

the intention is always to have the enemy dead, if the punch doesn't fully kill it'll be an enemy that deserves to have it procced on, the rate of relevancy is the same

[vapid dagger]

those are still 0% chances for it to be helpful

[golden linden]

it will be helpful when it matters, and there are no shortage of enemies that will require it

both are 25% of the time when it matters for the respective survivor

[vapid dagger]

except for the 75% of the time it decides to not activate

[golden linden]

yeah that's how chances work

[vapid dagger]

which matters a whole lot less for a character that gets that chance 10 times per second

[sonic tangle]

i understand qhat ac is getting at but it isnt all that big of a difference

total damage procs be like that

[golden linden]

yeah, the threshold for things that matter on commando has a larger pool

the rate of it helping is the same

[sonic tangle]

the damage overkill exists but it isnt like diablo striking a wisp

[vapid dagger]

theres only so fast loader attacks is the point im getting at and only so much damage an enemy can sustain
and while loader wont need polylute for most things it still activates the same rate technically
it can activate when it matters
or the enemy can simply die in 2 hits and it not matter
while with commando who still ends up having surprisingly comparable kill times without it its helping more even on weaker enemies bc its just overall reducing his kill times across the board

most of loader's kill times dont actually change

even for enemies it should help on

[sonic tangle]

'wasting' damage usually isnt a massive cause for concern to me

[vapid dagger]

bc it still only a chance for it to work

[sonic tangle]

loader is definitely the most affected

but eh

i still find polylute s tier on both mando and loader

[vapid dagger]

loader is still hitting hard
and when polylute works it works for sure

[sonic tangle]

maybe mid s vs low s but still

[lilac finch]

exactly. its not wasting damage, its just ensuring that the enemy dies 100%.

[sonic tangle]

ehh i also dont agree witb this

[vapid dagger]

thats what bands do

[sonic tangle]

if the enemy was gonna die to your punch without the extra proc anyway it doesnt do much

[vapid dagger]

bc its a guarenteed effect

[old python]

Man..

[golden linden]

the enemies that can sustain the damage will have polylute on them

if the enemy is dying in 2 punches, it'll matter more on those than can handle 3, and more on those that can handle 4, which exist and will be the source of the rate of helping, because you do see it helping

the killtime thing is pure bull tho sorry

[lilac finch]

but still. big damage number make me happy

[sonic tangle]

me 2

you bet im taking polylute on loader every time

[old python]

Vermin, verwomin.

[vapid dagger]

i mean
its not
you just dont see how it matters

[old python]

What, why?

Wouldn't the uhh, actually yeah why not.

[golden linden]

how does one start to see it mattering

the claim is yours also

[old python]

What's the conversation about.

[vapid dagger]

i dont know how to explain that one bc i find it to be pretty self evident

killing faster at any point is a good thing is it not?

[golden linden]

the obvious should be simple to explain, no?

a toilet seems obvious to explain how it works

[vapid dagger]

can you even explain a toilet?

[old python]

Istg you're like a one to one replica of a guy on the deadcells server.

[golden linden]

nope

[old python]

Poop hole.

[golden linden]

I don't know many of these

[sacred elk]

toilet like flush the song from hit video game mewgenics

[random island]

Toilets are more complicated than most people give then credit for

[old python]

God bless plumbers.

[golden linden]

PREACH brother

[vapid dagger]

most of this does make sense to me understanding basic physics i guess

[worldly haven]

Pic 1: The run is trying to tell me i shouldn't have gotten rid of the statue.
Pic 2: Great view down here.
Pic 3: Fun run, shouldn't have jumped down.

[old python]

Environmental storytelling.

[worldly haven]

so, i jumped down to kill the lemurian with the dome around him, and after i killed him, 2 more spawned

right next to me

[old python]

@golden linden yk after just playing through silksong, I fucking hate your pfp.

[random island]

10 glasses on bandit is crazy

[golden linden]

lmao

can't handle the great...

[worldly haven]

can't always get behind

[livid idol]

Can't handle peak smh

[old python]

Well try to lmao.

[worldly haven]

i do, but can't always do that

[old python]

The problem isn't him, it's the fuck ass router you have to go through to get to him cuz there no fucking benches.

[golden linden]

it is his gauntlet

[livid idol]

Survive my gauntlets -groal, probably

[old python]

Alr.. but just saying you could've had 10 steaks instead.

[old python]

Good fight, bad walk back to him... Can't wait for pantheons dlc.

[golden linden]

me too brother

me too

[old python]

Now that I know you're a fan tho, I'll @ you in offtopic when I'm completely done with it to tell ya how it went, cuz god this game is awesome.

[golden linden]

almost lost my job last year because of it

it's pretty great

[old python]

I'm about to retake my exams cuz of it.

[worldly haven]

great point, however, i don't take feedback

[golden linden]

bruh lol

[echo idol]

grog the great

[old python]

With like button layouts too?

[worldly haven]

mmmmmm grog nozzle

[worldly haven]

ye

[old python]

Btw, how new to ror2?

I see you're in the bandit phase.

[vapid dagger]

so the handle pulls the chain which releases the flapper which then unseals the bowl and allows the water to drain
the refill tube drains the water into the bowl until full and the flapper closes as a result with the fill valve being opened due to the upper tank being drained and releases more water into the tank until the float reaches a specific fill level and closes the fill valve and settles the tank
the shut off valve can manually block the flow of water to the fill value for maintanence purposes and the seals keep water from leaking obviously

[worldly haven]

17,6 hours

[languid crystal]

i had a bandit phase too

[old python]

We all did at one point.

[worldly haven]

this is not a phase

[languid crystal]

i dont find him as fun anymore but he was my first main

[vapid dagger]

and i probably got some of this wrong but thats how it appears to me

[vernal heath]

Yes you can

[old python]

When you get the rest he'll get outshined.. but who knows.

[vernal heath]

It's Bandit, he's designed to get behind

[languid crystal]

smokebomb to win

[vernal heath]

Backshots apply hemorrhage with your secondary

[vapid dagger]

any plumbers in the chat can correct me if im wrong anywhere

[languid crystal]

whats the difference between bleed and hemorrhage again

[worldly haven]

i've always had a big love for shotguns in games, if there's a better character with a better shotgun, i might be able to believe that this is a phase

[languid crystal]

captain has a way cooler shotgun

im a captain main btw

[old python]

Captain.

[vapid dagger]

where is mario when you need him istg

[old python]

His shotgun feels like one.

[vapid dagger]

captain's shotgun is really good

[old python]

Ong, now I know why he goes to save peach, so he don't think about this shit.

[golden linden]

oh from assumptions Ibring up some stuff too, the most important thing actually that is missing from the image is the siphon tube

[vernal heath]

Captain has a really good shotgun but he's super boring to play because he has absolutely zero movement
Commando has a shotgun secondary with a 3 second cooldown

[vapid dagger]

is that what brings the water into the bowl? or removes the water from it?

[old python]

It is.
Captain is a pretty cool character just wish he had ANY niche movement with his abilities.. like why doesn't his M2 push you a bit or smth.

[golden linden]

it's what keeps the water in the toilet at the same level

[vernal heath]

That would make his M2 useful

Not okay, dude

[old python]

How tf did someone come up with this for something you shit in.

[vapid dagger]

ah that little hole on the edge of the bowl then

or is that not what that is

[old python]

Damn right, forgot gearbox hated fun.

[golden linden]

this section is the siphon

[sacred elk]

why are you looking at the inner workings of a toilet

[vapid dagger]

it maintains the level just based on the way its shaped i assume then?

[old python]

Risk of rain 2 conversations be like.

[molten hound]

im more focused on the HUGE LOGS in that thing

[golden linden]

water being incompressible will make so that the tube will maintain the same level as inside the bowl

so as new water comes in, the old water will always come out of the tube

[vapid dagger]

but it being angled upward initially allows it to maintain a water level

[golden linden]

the level the water always being in being this one

[vapid dagger]

yeah

[iron palm]

Why did I come back to discussing toilet mechanics

Lol

[vapid dagger]

bc toilets are complex

usage of toilets is not

[golden linden]

a parallel for something that looks simple but it's really intricate

[iron palm]

True ig just very random

[vapid dagger]

its good design

[blissful torrent]

?????

it's really difficult wdym

[old python]

Depends on the shit.

[molten hound]

you shit in the thing and press a button
unless your on hard difficulty

dont even get me STARTED on time trials..

[golden linden]

just as magic can be just tech we haven't learn
good designs can be so good that explaining will sound like magic

[vapid dagger]

that is a rather concerning statement
you may want to see a doctor if you are having difficulty with your business

[iron palm]

Designer probably really wanted to get rid of cholera

[old python]

Or was really bored.

[molten hound]

or they just wanted a raised version of a poop hole for better posture and it slowly evolved into the john we know today

[languid crystal]

captain is fun ignore this man

[golden linden]

did you know

[old python]

Maybe.

[molten hound]

no

[languid crystal]

yes half his kit is disabled in hidden realms but ifnore that

[golden linden]

crapper was actually the name for a company

[iron palm]

Someone gets it

[vernal heath]

If you like crawling everywhere until your 50th loop, sure

[old python]

Yeah that's like half my job in this world.

[molten hound]

before or after "crap" was a term for toilet

[languid crystal]

me when i finally see a goat hoof(prints all my proc items)

[blissful torrent]

i only play on eclipse

[vapid dagger]

"any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"

[quasi lance]

5 stages btw no void fields

[livid idol]

I think risk of rain 2 is magic

[molten hound]

i dont like the implications of starting on half health in this context

[blissful torrent]

i think risk of rain 2 is a video game

[old python]

Dw even the Devs think that.

[iron palm]

I think risk of rain 2.

[blissful torrent]

"all damage is permanent" is scary

[languid crystal]

its time for me to grind eclipse

[livid idol]

How does com mangoes shoot bullets it makes no sense, if it was real he would shoot friendship and joy

[quasi lance]

But im doing that

You can later

[molten hound]

"fall damage is fatal" do they fall harder?

[old python]

Imagine the shit is rock dry at it just tears through your inner rectum while going out and that stuff is permanent.

[blissful torrent]

dw i just hopped off for tonight so an eclipse grind spot is free!

[livid idol]

"Mom said it's my turn to grind eclipse"

[quasi lance]

I took it

[quasi lance]

Mine

[blissful torrent]

you can't have multiple at once that's selfish

[old python]

Why the 💖 lmao.

[quasi lance]

Now i can grind TWO characters at once!

[molten hound]

its like a criminals calling card

[blissful torrent]

you wouldn't understand... just another glimpse into my dark, twisted soul...

[quasi lance]

"Holy crap, TWO cakes!"

[molten hound]

who wanna run duo toilet eclipse

[old python]

May thee be blessed with dry shit ig.

[quasi lance]

Why she so portal

[old python]

I can only do a shit off.

[molten hound]

why she so orple

[molten hound]

we turning chaos on?

[old python]

The green pill, or the celestial pill.

[quasi lance]

🟢

[iron palm]

Do you die or obliterate 🤔

[old python]

Yes.

[molten hound]

if you take the green pill, you will go to a hard ass boss fight
if you take the celestial pill, you will kill yourself.

[old python]

Die or good die.

[iron palm]

Die or die hard

[quasi lance]

False son so easy just shoot him (and have 12 hopoo feathers)

[old python]

Me personally.. I'd die hard.

[blissful torrent]

my game bugged out and gave me a celestial portal stage 3 on eclipse and i was like "oooh free win" and then gilded halcyonite oneshot me

[placid quail]

But what if I have funny beads when taking the celestial pill

[molten hound]

go to heaven

[old python]

You mega die.

[placid quail]

[old python]

On the hands of kipkip.

[molten hound]

remember to get the log book before fading into obscurity though

[quasi lance]

You win if you dont SUCK

[iron palm]

Say that again?

[old python]

You twisted mr. Mega die.

[iron palm]

Peak

[molten hound]

you die
mega-ly

[iron palm]

Best way to go fr

[old python]

Man it's 4 am why am I here.

[iron palm]

I go now bye

[old python]

You get mauled to death by kipkip.

[molten hound]

would say some shit but its 2am rn

[vapid dagger]

Megaman death sfx

[molten hound]

i will

[old python]

My god.. Facebook??

Clean up on aisle Ganymede, this mf is now fossil dust.

I thought you were the one pissing people off?

Also ong no need to get mad gng, atleast we can put you in a museum.

If you use fucking Facebook.

[undone gorge]

I know teenagers who use Facebook

Well, one teenager and that's my cousin

But there are others out there.

[old python]

Jokes aside tho, what the hell is the point of Facebook.

[undone gorge]

Thirst traps, vagueposting about toxic people, and ai slop.

[vital escarp]

boomers's Instagram

[old python]

I think I got it cuz I had to get in touch with some teachers through it and possibly some other family members.. but does someone use it for anything else?

[old python]

That sounds like alot of platforms rn lmao.

[undone gorge]

I use it for talking to my aunt and cousins but messenger won't load on my phone for some reason

[old python]

Ah.

[placid quail]

Digital nursing home

[cunning plaza]

im 17 years old i am very similar to you

[placid quail]

I was 17 for a whole year once

[cunning plaza]

hhow

[undone gorge]

Amateur

[knotty canyon]

wtf is that account

what's the joke

don't make me google something dumb

[undone gorge]

It might just be gibberish

[placid quail]

There is no such thing

quietly hides my check from col sanders’ estate

[undone gorge]

Just buy an Xbox and stick that shit in a deep fryer in Kentucky. Kentucky Fried Console.

[placid quail]

Clearly an IP snatch

Japan loves KFC so check there

[golden linden]

I was about to complain on box of dynamites being on the damage chest but this dropped from rustbox

[placid quail]

They get it for Christmas

Category chests were secretly a bad idea since many items can’t be neatly placed in a single category

They’re as useless as tier lists tbh

[livid sedge]

Huh

Whats happening here chat?

[echo idol]

can they like add eclipse 8 in the form of an artifact or something so i dont have to play this mode

with 4 other scuffed modifiers

and forced mithrix end

[agile kestrel]

malachite enemies genuinely annoy me

if i had a dollar for every run i lost to a malachite enemy id be rich

[fresh idol]

they aren't so dangerous to me anymore bc i'm experienced but still, the feeling i get from when they spawn and i hear that noise is always the same

it's time to ignore everything else in the stage and find where it is and kill it

[worldly haven]

hey chat

would bandit like salami sticks

[unique hawk]

Jerky, probably

Salami doesn't seem portable enough

[molten hound]

hello everyone

[thin saddle]

True?

[vapid dagger]

I only JUST realized i dont have any hooves mochas or energy drinks

ALL of my speed is conditional

and i still felt like i was getting hit less than mult was with like 4 energy drinks

yeah not a lot of hurts

[vapid dagger]

ive gotten so good at handling malachites now that they barely even faze me

i barely register that they spawn

if its a wisp it dies instantly anyway bc phase round

they give me pause on mult and loader more specifically

but otherwise are kind of just tankier enemies

celestines are more of a threat

bc invisible enemies are hard to keep track of

[fresh idol]

yeah malachites on Loader are annoying af

[vapid dagger]

i can also see them being a threat against drifter

[thin saddle]

is named aspect collector
doesn't have an aspect as the equipment

[livid idol]

Do malachites stop barrier gain and I never knew? Malachite seems annoying on loader if not but not too too bad

Drifter on the other hand....

[vapid dagger]

any character that needs to get fairly close without the means to either out space the spikes or just turn invincible ( ) is a bit hindered by malachite spikes

[thin saddle]

Malachites stop any healing gain so it should stop barrier

[livid idol]

Healing doesnt equal barrier though, loader gets it without healing

Eclipse lite and topaz brooch too

[vapid dagger]

they do not
however loader still gets absolutely nuked by the spikes and any attacks the enemy throws at her and shes still in a rather precarious spot afterwards if she does manage to survive the damage

[thin saddle]

ah good to know

[unique hawk]

Barrier is considered health so I dunno

[thin saddle]

I've never cared about malachites all that much besides the damage they do

they're really fucking scary

[vapid dagger]

bc malachites have 6x damage

and the spikes can hit twice

[thin saddle]

sonnn

[broken jacinth]

chat what do i get - recycler or gun? (assuming I dont get a card later in the stage)

[thin saddle]

twisted kinda sucks too ngl

but not that bad

celestine is sooooo weak honorary tier 1 elite

[cunning plaza]

Hello guys

[vapid dagger]

twisteds are the least directly threatening of the t2 elites
but the 300 passive armor given to its allies is definitely not nothing

[thin saddle]

I always thought gilded was a t2 pre-ac

cause they always fuck you up when you least expect it

but in hindsight that doesn't make sense cause they appear in stage 1

[vapid dagger]

before the redesign they were still pretty bad as a t1.5

[thin saddle]

I wonder what the new elite will be..

[vapid dagger]

they show up only after stage 3 and they had 3x damage and 6x hp which is 50% higher stats than normal t1s

[thin saddle]

elite that turns any killed allies into ghost 🤔

[vapid dagger]

they also just robbed you of all your gold for attacking them

[thin saddle]

oh right

[livid idol]

Gildeds chunk you but they're more of an annoyance than anything because now you gotta run and grab your money

[thin saddle]

pisses me off

[vapid dagger]

i think they have normal elites stats now tho

[thin saddle]

they give YOU money now

an enemy design that negatively affects your cash was destined to suck

so does an enemy that negatively affects your items ahem ahem solus

no one ever talks about AC enenmies as a genuine negative in those types of youtube dlc ratings

[livid idol]

I think its 5x health 2.5x damage now

[thin saddle]

every one of them feels like it was designed to be unfun 😭

besides the amalgamator it's pretty ok

[molten hound]

if my theory that the woman in collectors compulsion is drifter is correct,
drifter is currently in her 30s

[vapid dagger]

it might be
they definitely felt toned down after the rework

[thin saddle]

aunt?

[vapid dagger]

they are less tanky just bc they dont have the gold barrier anymore tho

fucking armor for all the gold they collected from you
and then they didnt even give it back when you killed them

[thin saddle]

ror2 powerscaling:
Heat Vent vs Coolant Distributor

[livid idol]

Wiki says this

[austere prism]

oh THAT was why they were so hard to kill then

[molten hound]

coolant slimes heat vent the FUCK out

[thin saddle]

wrong

heat beats cool 🔥

[molten hound]

cool is cool

[thin saddle]

like iceman and fireman

[molten hound]

wait heat might be heat

[vapid dagger]

why are collectives weaker for no reason?

[molten hound]

iceman is way better than fireman

iceman can freeze atoms iirc

[thin saddle]

nothe albums

[molten hound]

maaaaaaann what is this ai slop

[thin saddle]

wizard search in youtube

drake iceman and kendrick fireman

[molten hound]

i dont think i will

[thin saddle]

THEN DIE!

holy life goals #wantthat

[livid idol]

Dunno

[errant marsh]

Collective elites are evil

[austere prism]

the shield ig

[thin saddle]

they force close range engagement no matter what so that's why

[thin saddle]

that's what I said you fucking bum!

[vapid dagger]

they actually dont bc i use phase round

[austere prism]

I said it first you're just copying me

[thin saddle]

that's not true

that's NOT TRUE!

[austere prism]

lalala cant hear you

[thin saddle]

well no one else uses poomando

[austere prism]

ig the shield balances out the lesser hp

unless you're melee but it still has the item disable effect on death

[thin saddle]

rndthursday told me commando is BOTTOMTIER

[thin saddle]

wdym the health factor is same

unless you''re talking about conduit canyon one

[austere prism]

oh yeah wtf

why IS conduit canyon's weaker

[thin saddle]

bro is larping

[austere prism]

is it cause of the amount of collectives

[thin saddle]

dude the percentage of collectives in conduit canyon is way higher

I don't want giga roided up shielded up enemies with the same percentage as tier 1 elites

[errant marsh]

Yeah he does like maybe 3 damage per second

[thin saddle]

when someone says commando is good so I pepperspray them

[austere prism]

why do you hold so much hate in your heart for Commando

[thin saddle]

when jaggayeah talks to me so I pepperspray him

[jagged zenith]

commando shoots really fast

[sacred elk]

alright chat we have a mission now

the mew is genic

[fresh shard]

Why is Eclipse 8 like assured and guaranteed death now I got iron alluvium rex and got cucked by an unforseen threat

[livid idol]

It's stage 4, or in other words pre loop (it could be gilded elite numbers and be fine though idk)

[echo idol]

lock in a bit harder

[fresh shard]

ty for the inspirational message spike factory from bloons tower defense six, I will take those 5 words and get them tattooed. Whenever I get assassinated by a swarm of solus enemies, I’ll look at the tattoo, and think of this very moment.

I’m so vocabularium

[golden linden]

the word user

sentence maker

[sacred elk]

the wordening

[languid crystal]

man i js diablo'd all 4 phases of mithrix as a finisher

truly the greatest util in the game

[terse flicker]

phew

i'm so lucky that i got a feather + fmp on stage 5 . . .

if i didn't i probably would've looped. but even then my build was probably set

[thin saddle]

xbox

[tulip dragon]

Least modded lobby

[native falcon]

I cannot beleive no one has made a Dark souls survivor yet but we get mf Tinkaton lol

[meager ledge]

Yea but tinkaton is free pillar skip

🩷🩷🩷

Does anyone know what the chance would be for a overloading worm to spawn on rallypoint delta/do you know if anyone has ever gotten sauteed worms in a nonlooped run

[native falcon]

u can get sauteed worms by crafting the individual items needed

[meager ledge]

no i know

Oh wait what

u can craft charged perf?

[native falcon]

yes

[meager ledge]

ahh i didnt know

[native falcon]

ATG + either Tesla or royal capcitor makes a charged perf

u can even craft a tesla with a uke + a razor wire

and u can craft the ATG with a sticky bomb + fireworks

[meager ledge]

I see i see

Okay cool

[native falcon]

yeah its pretty sick

I think its easier to craft sauteed worms than the ultimate meal tbh

u can even craft the molten perf with an ATG + a kjaro's band and u can even craft the correct band too

[languid crystal]

i got overloading worm stage 5 tdy

[meager ledge]

i think the earliest ive seen is is on stage 5 too

During my eclipse 6 run

[fresh shard]

Cherf is also an option with recycler and 3d printers I love hunting worms

[native falcon]

or just get the lucky yellow printer without a recyler lol

ive gotten a cherf once or twice that way haha

[lucid minnow]

It took me years to get this and all I needed was knives and will o wisp in a jar

It wasn't about the achievment, but the wisps I made along the way

[meager ledge]

what were y doing?

U*

[blissful torrent]

pretty sure pre-loop an overloading worm can only spawn on abyssal depths or a stage 5, i've got sautéed worms myself twice in non-looped runs (once from a cherf printer stage 2, once from crafting both perfs)

[meager ledge]

I looked it up they spawn on rallypoint delta

I assume tho ud need to have the time be like at 90 mins

if ur not looping

[blissful torrent]

fr? that's gotta need a lot of mountain shrines or a very very slow run

[meager ledge]

uea def not smth id like to do thats why i asked if there was an easier way/if people have done it

Cuz i wanna see how much items i can cook in one non looped run

[blissful torrent]

oh it can only spawn on rpd at stage 6 onward, so not pre-loop

[meager ledge]

ahhh okay okay

[meager ledge]

Ahh ok it didnt say starting stage 6 for me

[blissful torrent]

so it's not actually possible to see an overloading worm before wandering chef without looping (maybe artifact of dissonance lets you see one on siren's call or repurposed crater? idk how that artifact works)

[blissful torrent]

wiki moment 🤷‍♀️

[meager ledge]

Fr

[meager ledge]

I dont evenhave that artifact so

Printer or crafting cperf it is

if i even get a mperf

[robust plume]

one run, fought every boss in the game as huntress in monsoon

[blissful torrent]

you can craft this too, atg plus fire band works iirc

[meager ledge]

Oh yeha true

[robust plume]

gesture of the drowned is cuz i was originally trying to do the funny tonic but shit got out of hand in the opposite direction

[meager ledge]

ok well i feel like engi would be best then cuz idk how to pot roll

[blissful torrent]

so two atgs, uke, razor wire and fire band is enough to craft both perfs

[blissful torrent]

pot rolling is hard

[echo idol]

Atg (craftable from sticky bomb or firework), kjaros (can be made from runalds and gasoline) to make merf and cherf (capacitor or tesla, tesla of which can be made from uke and razorwire)

Its a way more accessible item than you think

[meager ledge]

Sounds doable

I need to look up the recipes for everything

The only thing i feel like will be really hard to get that ive looked at so far is the perfect meal

[blissful torrent]

i wish there was a reference ingame for it, like if when you made a recipe it showed up in the logbook or smth

[blissful torrent]

ultimate meal is pretty tough yeah

[robust plume]

iirc there´s a mod for that?

i saw it but forgot to add it to my list

[meager ledge]

i mean there might be, but tbf i can just pull up a list while i play

[austere prism]

oh yea the cookbook mod

helps me when I dont want to pull up a wiki

but weird sometimes showing me recipes I cant actually make

[steady vector]

Hello

[coarse merlin]

Hello krakenapples

I saw this and thought it was very cool indeed

[terse ferry]

Hello freaky apples

[austere prism]

The Last supper Run

[terse ferry]

Noita mention

[coarse merlin]

Noita ❤️
Spelunky ❤️
Balatro ❤️
Risk of rain ❤️
Hades ❤️
Dead cells ❤️

[austere prism]

never played elden ring or nightreign but it's a roguelike?

[coarse merlin]

Slay the Spire ❤️

[terse ferry]

Flay the fire

[coarse merlin]

And I know about inscryption, white knuckle, gungeon, and Isaac but have not played them

I do not know what the frog and the wing-helmeted knight are from

[terse ferry]

I have gungeon in my library but never really got into it

Which is weird because I love roguelikes and love bullet hells

[steady vector]

Hades, spelunky, recognize it but I think im wrong, no idea, dead cells, nuclear throne, isaac, hands?, ror, balatro, gungeon, slay the spire, noita

[terse ferry]

Heck I've been playing rabbit and steel nonstop and it's a roguelike bullet hell 😭

[coarse merlin]

Hands are white knuckle, first person climbing rougelike
So you only ever see the hands

[steady vector]

Oh Ive seen that

Im surprised theres no downwell dude. or cadence

[native falcon]

Wolfoqualityoflife I think allows you to view all crafting recipes from the logbook so that helps out a lot in the middle of a run if u ever wanna make a choice between items or are looking for smthn specific

[coarse merlin]

Here's some white knuckle

[steady vector]

I didnt know it was a roguelike

[robust plume]

i assume the mastery challenges apply to being decompiled or doing rebirth as well right

[woeful python]

Mastery is just winning a game in any way on monsoon iirc

[coarse merlin]

It is indeed
If you perish, you start back from ground zero
There are, however, floppy disks you can find and purchase that can be inserted into computers between sets of levels as extra lives

[robust plume]

aight nice

[woeful python]

Ive only beaten the game vs all bosses a couple times its genuinely such a hard feat on eclipse 8

Mostly because the first fight is false son

Each fight gets noticeably easier than the last

[agile kestrel]

just got a brilliant behemoth for the first time, this thing is amazing

[woeful python]

I find if i dont die on false son im pretty likely to die to solus wing but if i dont die to solus wing theres like a 100% chance i win the run

[fresh idol]

yeah it feels good

[coarse merlin]

White knuckle even has its own stage 4 red item, you get a choice from two legendary items before the hardest section
Some of the possible legendaries include an anti-gravity glove, a spear you can call back, and a pocket watch to turn back time

[fresh idol]

its THE red item imo

[woeful python]

Too bad its a bad item

I still keep it bc its just that fun

[thin saddle]

Afterburner:

[fresh idol]

mid

[woeful python]

But if ur trying to be optimal i would scrap behemoth for almost anything else

[thin saddle]

Do you mean ljke the red item as in the strongest or the embodiment of red

[agile kestrel]

wdym a bad item

[woeful python]

0% proc chance and like 30% extra damage with slight aoe is not worth it for a red

[thin saddle]

SONNNN

[woeful python]

Its still incredibly fun but it doesnt change runs that much

[thin saddle]

Where tf did yiu get that 30% from

[agile kestrel]

commando with soldiers syringes, lensmakers glasses, shatterspleen, sawmerang, and brilliant behemoth is an absolute god

[thin saddle]

It's 50%

[fresh idol]

60%. can crit. procs out of anything

[agile kestrel]

i legit deleted a 130k boss healthbar on stage 13 in like 8 seconds with that

[thin saddle]

It's literally a better laser scope

[fresh idol]

embodiment

its far from the strongest

[woeful python]

Sure it procs out of anything but it in itself doesnt proc

[thin saddle]

I feel like afterburner is th stronges embodiment

Not super gimmicky but it can help your run a lot

Then again I don't even know ny criteria I'm speaking straight from vibes

[fresh idol]

its very situational for me to even come close

[woeful python]

The real embodiment of a red item is i think

Ive always considered symbiotic scorpion THE red item

[fresh idol]

character dependent
but i really like it, i'm a Commando main

[thin saddle]

is too ciose to

[woeful python]

OR ALIEN HEAD

[thin saddle]

Oh yea true alien head

[woeful python]

i change my mind alien head is the true embodiment of a red item

[thin saddle]

Alien head the true embodiment actually

[woeful python]

Bc its just universally a good find

[coarse merlin]

Alien head is peak
It's nuts on engie

[thin saddle]

I mean so is shit like afterburner or behemoth but

[steady vector]

37 leaf too

[fresh idol]

WHAT

[sweet ridge]

Isnt 57 leaf

[fresh idol]

BROTHER CAN YOU SPELL

[austere prism]

oh ya I dogot the wolfo mods

[thin saddle]

The thing about cooldown reduction is that, cooldowns are essentially the limiters of every move. If you remove that limiter it becomes very strong

[austere prism]

momentum unlocker helps especially

[thin saddle]

Pours hot oil on you

[steady vector]

No ive legitimately never picked that item up i just know its good

[austere prism]

RaP

[thin saddle]

Bro never picks up 57 leaf clover

[austere prism]

-5 flat damage taken

[thin saddle]

Dude!

[steady vector]

Ive never found one somehow

[fresh idol]

its an achievement

[steady vector]

Yeah I dont have it

[austere prism]

20 stages?

[agile kestrel]

i cant lie 57 leaf clover is kind of overrated, every time I used it I didnt notice any major difference

[thin saddle]

You've been here since 2022 how the fuck

[placid scarab]

Nobody got time for 20 stages

[thin saddle]

Truth nuke ngl

[steady vector]

Like ive seen them in pots. I just never grab em because whenever i see em my 5 greens are too good to get rid of or are all items that would benefit from clover

So getting clover and getting rid of them would be dumb

Ive got it on command runs only

[placid scarab]

Runs lose any sort of distinction after 1 loop anyway

[steady vector]

Yeah

[placid scarab]

Or more than one loop

[agile kestrel]

If you need the Commando: Incorruptible achievement then yeah

[placid scarab]

Isnt that also 20 stages

[steady vector]

If i cant skip pillars, I loop and obliterate. If i can skip pillars then I probably still loop and obliterate because mithrix is boring

[agile kestrel]

yeah

[placid scarab]

Pillars arent a big deal

[steady vector]

I skip them for physical reasons

[placid scarab]

Oh

Sometimes i go and hit the shrine of order on the moon and just quit the game

[steady vector]

Ror2 is one of the only games to make my eyes water and the moon sucks for that.

By the time i hit mithrix I can barely see

[thin saddle]

Nah you def still can die in loop 1

The issue is the level cap of 99 for enemies

I think they need to remove caps for enemies

[livid idol]

Like never from the legendary chest or any other random chest drop? Thats wild to me like soups aside I've seen it a fair amount in my 600 hours and a good amount of that is modded which adds more items to the pool which lowers my odds for clover

[steady vector]

I think ive gotten it MAYBE once or twice back in like 2020 on the switch version. But as far as I can remember Ive never had it drop naturally

I've never got these naturally

[livid idol]

That's odd, I feel like there's a limit to how unlucky one can be to never get an item Idk

[steady vector]

Actually no ive found once

[livid idol]

Aegis is doubly insane to me because I have had MULTIPLE times where sale star gives me two damn aegis 😭

I can't escape this fucking item

[steady vector]

I dont even know what it does

[livid idol]

Converts healing to barrier at full health

Unironically tied for worst red

[fresh idol]

so based honestly

[thin saddle]

Is this a switch thing

[steady vector]

No this is pc only

[iron palm]

important question
which survivor would be most likely to hit a dab mid run

[fresh idol]

Loader

[steady vector]

Actually it might be a switch thing too. my body is breaking at the seems so maybe it will happen on the switch version now too

[steady vector]

Loader

[iron palm]

lol

[woeful python]

Well. Seeker

R we serious right now

[fresh idol]

what

[iron palm]

isnt there a mod that turns palm blast into a middle finger

[woeful python]

I realize now that i may have misunderstood what you meant by dab

[fresh idol]

yeah Loader would do that for sure

[woeful python]

Yea i was thinking weed stuff

In which case btw my answer is the only right one

[iron palm]

gonna be mad with this one

[sonic tangle]

hey what is this

[iron palm]

100% for 60% extra damage

[fresh idol]

they were talking about Behemoth

[iron palm]

also has some busted synergies

who tf saying behemoth is bad

[sonic tangle]

this guy apparently

[woeful python]

Its underwhelming compared to ANY OTHER RED

[sonic tangle]

'any other'

[woeful python]

not every other but most reds

[sonic tangle]

'most'

[iron palm]

you gonna foam at the mouth when you see aegis or bottled chaos

[fresh idol]

tweaking

[iron palm]

or nkuhana

or orphaned core

[terse ferry]

You are really underestimating how bad the red item balance is

[sonic tangle]

also why would you scrap it if a red printer is so rare and the best damage boost a cauldron can give is the same as behemoth

[woeful python]

Most reds r good 🤷‍♀️

[fresh idol]

better than alien head and afterburger for sure

[iron palm]

also doesnt behemoth have a proc coefficient

[fresh idol]

no

[steady vector]

I pick up behemoth just for the effect it gives

[terse ferry]

No that would be insane

[iron palm]

and carries the same properties as the attack that activated it

[terse ferry]

It does inherit properties yeah

[terse ferry]

Glad we can disagree

[iron palm]

free (mostly) unconditional 1.6x damage multiplier with a tiny aoe niche is nice

[steady vector]

A flat proc chance increase would be insane as an item. I know theres Carl Clover over here but that just re-rolls

[iron palm]

also
hehe frag grenade + behemoth go brrrr

[woeful python]

No i mean just like

[steady vector]

Gonna be honest I didn't know it gave more damage for the longest time

[woeful python]

Hold on let me go make a quick list

[fresh idol]

someone stop him

[sonic tangle]

i wanna see

[fresh idol]

i don't

[sonic tangle]

to be fair nuffering works with even more damage

like dot and stuff

[iron palm]

thats because nuffering is like the best red in the game

[sonic tangle]

true!

[steady vector]

I dont know what that item is

[sonic tangle]

i disagree personally but thats because runic lens cheats by being in the halcyon shrine pool

[iron palm]

you could make nuffering's damage coefficient only 0.15x instead of 0.35x and itd still be nuts

[fresh idol]

NUFFERING????????????????????

[sonic tangle]

its a weaker item but its more common which is stupid

[sonic tangle]

is it not 45%

[iron palm]

its 35% last time i checked

[terse ferry]

it's 45% mega

[iron palm]

wh

[steady vector]

-# whats nuffering

[iron palm]

well ok
point stlil stands you could make it 15% and itd still be great

[sonic tangle]

45% lmao

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Networked_Suffering

[fresh idol]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[steady vector]

Oh

I just use that to proc

[sonic tangle]

please nerf this thing its an instant win item

as compensation buff the stacking to be 4 +4 instead of 4 +2

[woeful python]

There is DEFINITELY more good reds than bad reds

[iron palm]

solus wing when nuffering exists:

[sonic tangle]

dawg

rejuv rack > behemoth is crazy

[woeful python]

My mistake actually boomerang shouldve gone in bad too

[steady vector]

Shlawgzilla wtf is this

[thin saddle]

BEHEMOTH IS LITERALLY A BETTER LASER SCOPE???

[iron palm]

laser scope above behemoth are you fucking serious

[sonic tangle]

laser scope is worse than behemoth with 100% crit chance you sod

[iron palm]

laser scope is a 1.5x damage multiplier at BEST

[thin saddle]

Speaking outta yo ass

Tiering straight from vibes

[woeful python]

Ohhh im serious

[sonic tangle]

also slander

[steady vector]

NOBODY agrees with this

[sonic tangle]

electroc boomerang is like the best red item on mando

[iron palm]

Either this is bait or you are smooth brain

[thin saddle]

Ragebait or inability to form intellectual thought?

[sonic tangle]

also personal vendetta but fuck war bonds its the chud item

also soulbound catalyst slander

[thin saddle]

Omg I just realized warbonds in good and interstellar in bad SONNNNN

[iron palm]

hot take i wouldve liked if they had buffed the old war bonds to be actually useable instead of reworking it entirely

[thin saddle]

Soulbound catalyst is ok

[woeful python]

Ohhhh ragebait this ragebait that but yall have nothing to actually say ab it

[thin saddle]

Mostly just a FMP upscale

[woeful python]

I like how warbonds works now

[thin saddle]

No you don't get it, behemoth is LITERALLY an upgrade of laser

Quite literally 1:1

[woeful python]

Literally false

[steady vector]

I would rather have desk plant than some of the shit in good

[sonic tangle]

laser scope is a 50% damage boost at 100% crit chance

[iron palm]

1.6x damage no matter what > 1.5x damage multiplier only with full crit

[thin saddle]

@woeful python

[terse ferry]

glad we can disagree

[sonic tangle]

are you a victim of crit damage

[fresh idol]

is your argument about it improving bands dmg

[thin saddle]

Laser scope needs 2x crit damage lowkey

[sonic tangle]

icbm is in orange tier

[steady vector]

I thought thats what it did

[thin saddle]

Rejuv kinda low ngl

[iron palm]

that would also amke it not get completely fucking mogged by hiker's boot

[azure shale]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-low-raven-crow-real-science-low-i-q-gif-17338607635233300977

[iron palm]

and RG passive

[sonic tangle]

also the elite kill items in the same tier as nku and aegis makes me sad

[thin saddle]

Nope, only 1.5x, so it's literally a worse behemoth

[terse ferry]

laser scope if it wasn't asss!!!

[thin saddle]

Why the fuck did they do this

Wait

[woeful python]

Sure laser scope procs and behemoth simply does not

[sonic tangle]

critical strikes deal 200% damage and laser scope boosts it to 300% damage

[iron palm]

yea because it adds a flat +100% damage to the crit damage value
but crit damage starts out at 200% so it goes to 300%

[thin saddle]

Nvm I read it wrong

[fresh idol]

?????????????????????????

[thin saddle]

Bro what

[iron palm]

same reason why railgunner's passive is ass

[steady vector]

Huh

[sonic tangle]

what are we doing here man

[thin saddle]

Mhm

[iron palm]

if you get a lens makers with railgunner it goes from 200% crit damage to 210%

[terse ferry]

i dont think you should be allowed near anyone who understands how the game works koko

it's a threat to mental health

[woeful python]

Behemoth literally has a 0.0 proc coefficient it does not proc shit!!! Im not hearing anybody out here regarding that

[sonic tangle]

i use this word very sparingly but this has to be ragebait

[woeful python]

Altho i will say i might be down to put laser scope in bad reds too

[steady vector]

So?

[iron palm]

all sources of damage that have a proc coefficient proc bands
meaning the onl ything that doesnt is bands and dot debuffs

[sonic tangle]

this is like that time someone ragebaited and said clover was bad

[fresh idol]

laser scope also can't proc

[thin saddle]

Bro you're the one who made him think this 😭

[woeful python]

Mostly bc u need crit for it to be useful at all

[thin saddle]

Laser can't proc neither??

[iron palm]

and laser scope doesnt create any extra hits so it effectively has no proc coefficient either

[terse ferry]

alright this is getting boring im gonna go play r&s

[thin saddle]

You'd be outraged too if you understand

[sonic tangle]

yeah

[woeful python]

I think it was bad wording on my part

[thin saddle]

No wording can defend your stance bro

[atomic venture]

yo
You should totally play dota 2

[woeful python]

Ultimately it doesnt matter if neither red is that good to begin with

[thin saddle]

YOU BUT SCOPE IN GOOD THO?!?!

[fresh idol]

well technically laser cope improves bands damage and behemoth doesnt

[thin saddle]

SONNNNN

[sonic tangle]

ok lets move on

[woeful python]

I made the list in 2 seconds to prove a whole different 💔

[thin saddle]

I need to shower

[sonic tangle]

how the fuck is rejuv rack higher than behemoth

[atomic venture]

go to shower

[woeful python]

Put laser scope in bad idc theres still more good reds than bad reds

[atomic venture]

stinky

[iron palm]

usually only relevant on railgunner unless you found a cri tprinter while playing loader or something

[woeful python]

Oh bc rejuv rack is busted

[terse ferry]

fucked up and evil delicate watch:

[thin saddle]

People hate rejuv?

[iron palm]

plus laser scope gets fucked by hiker's boot

[woeful python]

Its the best healing item in the entire game r we serious

[sonic tangle]

❌

[thin saddle]

Yeah rejuv's pretty nice

[atomic venture]

risk of rain 2 with no damage (to yourself)

[iron palm]

if you get to 100% crit using 10 hikers boots instead of 10 lens makers then laser scope goes from a 1.5x multiplier to a 1.33x multiplier

[sonic tangle]

its a whole ass red

[thin saddle]

It's wungus upscale

[atomic venture]

i think its possible to beat ror2 without getting damaged

[sonic tangle]

my healing is usually good enough off a couple whites

[woeful python]

Which DOUBLES ALL ❤️‍🩹

[terse ferry]

an ass red in its entirety? definitely

[thin saddle]

2x healing's pretty busted idk about yall

[steady vector]

[fresh idol]

it has been done many times

[sonic tangle]

if i wanna double healing i take corpsebloom

[terse ferry]

oh wait are we talking about scope or rejuv

[thin saddle]

Literally worse transmitter

[sonic tangle]

also if i wanna heal with red i take desk plant