ror2-discussion

[vapid dagger]

which is already a very normal thing to do

it could be faster yeah

[fair knoll]

I’m typing with one eye open

[vapid dagger]

i do think its unnecessarily janky

[golden linden]

how does it work

[fair knoll]

Looking good

[vapid dagger]

ok your game is just broken then

it does not do this for me

it doesnt even target things that far away

[fair knoll]

It does that a decent 15-20% of the time for me

[vapid dagger]

it literally NEVER does that for me

[fair knoll]

You got the copy of ror2 from heaven then

[vapid dagger]

thats absolutely not normal disc behavior

[fair knoll]

Or we got the copy from hell

[fresh idol]

pure vanilla never modded ror2

[vapid dagger]

even with how janky the item is thats insane

[golden linden]

I even turned off miscfixes and seekerspatch

[vapid dagger]

thats not something that happens

[eager barn]

yeah mine doesnt do this

[fresh idol]

same

[fair knoll]

But lo and behold its right in front of you

[gilded tartan]

Cheeseburger

[vapid dagger]

if you can explain what it is aiming at then maybe i'll have more faith in your evidence bc usually it doesnt even try to fire when theres nothing to target

[eager barn]

and if theres no enemy to target within range mine straight up doesnt shoot

[fair knoll]

Decent example of why you should try to be high up when trying to use it

[eager barn]

lemme double check with just debugtoolkit

[ornate spruce]

nah, drifter is crazy broken

[eager barn]

i did this multiple times from varying distances and it either hit a target or refused to shoot, idk what is happening in omega's video

[golden linden]

it seems that it targets whatever it's closest to it at the time it reaches 4 charges

[vapid dagger]

charge it up to 4
and then spawn something afterwards

if your theory is correct it shouldnt try to shoot then

[harsh crater]

i didnt know that the "slide" in helminth hatchery is the corpse of a gilded worm

[echo idol]

deus and swhispers the greatest item combination of all time

[golden linden]

it was working fine then it started to target only the ground again

[frank cobalt]

Hi guys

[round sandal]

Hiiiiii omega

[frank cobalt]

Is that grey??

[spare saddle]

soup

[round sandal]

No I’m the meower

[round sandal]

Hi SHRIMPY

[frank cobalt]

Sorry, meower

[round sandal]

THE meower

[spare saddle]

hello friend

[frank cobalt]

How have you been bro I haven't talked to you in awhile

[round sandal]

@eager barn let them know

[frank cobalt]

Or heard from you for that matter 😭

[golden linden]

sup

[round sandal]

Been very very sleepy and stressed

[frank cobalt]

Nothing has changed it seems 💔

[round sandal]

About to take my first break from school in nearly 2 years

[frank cobalt]

Ohhh good shit dawg enjoy it

[round sandal]

:3

[eager barn]

lemme thinks ,,,

[round sandal]

Gonna play sooooooo much Deadlock during the summer

[eager barn]

idk what this means but i think the meower has been doing graciously

[frank cobalt]

I've got a lot of games to play, like finishing the souls borne games

[eager barn]

correct answer ., ?

[vital depot]

alright

[gentle copper]

my games rotation is limbus company tomodachi life and a co op terraria infernum playthrough 💔 ✌️

[sacred elk]

Leaddock

[gentle copper]

summer of suffering

[mighty terrace]

Fraudlocked?

[sacred elk]

False…

[mighty terrace]

Terraria infernum is so peak, but it makes my potato pc lag

[mighty terrace]

Truth...

[round sandal]

No tell them I am THE meower

[round sandal]

Hugs you tightly

[vital depot]

the sleep is starting to set in

[gentle copper]

[tawny pilot]

lead pipe

[round sandal]

Yeah I know what you are.

[sacred elk]

Meower what are your thoughts on my cat sleeping funny

[tawny pilot]

kitty!!!!

[round sandal]

I think they are very adorable and deserve the rest for working so hard

My mentor is here….

[golden linden]

ok so I recorded a clip that I just watched resonance disc do it's thing and count how many times it hits something

hits terrain and hits something 6
hits something directly 11
hits nothing 18

[gilded tartan]

No rest for weary. There is always more to do.

[tawny pilot]

it's killing enemies that haven't spawned yet

you should thank it

[gentle copper]

hubbawha

[golden linden]

chrono assassin...

[sacred elk]

Coin flip gaming

[golden linden]

can't export gaaah

[tawny pilot]

flip coin

[round sandal]

Yeah Eggsactly.

[slate socket]

The artifact of death and chaos challenge is commencing

[errant marsh]

Just beat an eclipse level at school

[gilded tartan]

I have now noticed something resurrected this corrupted commando rather than it choosing to be corrupted. At least I laid this one to rest finally. This one seems to been wandering since the crash (Ottermando lore)

[echo idol]

thunk

[eager barn]

OH

[fresh idol]

should void dios transform Commando into VOid Fiend?

[eager barn]

@frank cobalt she is THE MEOWER

[gilded tartan]

Just touching any void item or corrupted item already strips you from being a commando.

[sly copper]

uhhh i was trying to unlock firewall but despite killing alloy hunter in the air using chrysalis i didnt get the achievement the wiki says chrysalis does work and i started using it before the hp bar showed up

[frank cobalt]

I know she is The Meower

[arctic seal]

Can glorpo and ottermando get special roles

[gilded tartan]

I don't even know who you are.

[golden linden]

it has to be before even the scu spawns

[arctic seal]

Im glorpo

[frank cobalt]

Yoo Ottermando

[sly copper]

wait what i thought for sure i could wait until hunter spawns?...

lamee

[golden linden]

me too but it only worked for me when I was in the air before scu spawned, also during alloy hunter

[sly copper]

blehh

[gilded tartan]

You seem vaguely familiar.

[sly copper]

i see

[small cipher]

does anyone know how to get a hacked discord account back?

[golden linden]

no flippin idea

[small cipher]

my friend got hacked and i tried reporting him for a fishing links scam and nothin is really helping out

anyway dont install any curseforge minecraft mods from ppl on discord guys

[arctic seal]

[frank cobalt]

I used to be super active in here and allat

[frank cobalt]

But that was on my old acc

[gilded tartan]

I see.

I have corruption to keep at Bay.

[gentle copper]

yo bro i got this horror mod for you to try out

its called tokengrabber.jar

[gilded tartan]

You see you grab tokens and then suddenly a monster appears

[sacred elk]

At eBay

[gilded tartan]

You should totally download it dude

[golden linden]

my shitting the floor when I see that my friend made the herobrine effigy inside my house

[gilded tartan]

eBay is a new structure that's spawns in the bone dimension man

[scarlet jacinth]

anyone wanna play modded mc

[golden linden]

can I get a dimension with uuuuuh no bone

[gilded tartan]

With no bones?!

[scarlet jacinth]

can I get an ender dragon with pillar skip

[gilded tartan]

That's like asking for a train station without a fart

[golden linden]

pizza stealing rats

[gilded tartan]

That's in the eyeball bone dimension you just have to look underneath all the screwdriver piles

[vapid dagger]

phase blast and frag grenades scale so terribly

[gilded tartan]

I don't have the energy to argue I am too busy tracking the corruption

[vapid dagger]

an uncommon loadout

[round sandal]

Hiiiiii mentor

[sacred elk]

To be fair phase round and suppressive fire don’t scale well either

[gilded tartan]

Hello. You.

[vapid dagger]

they scale immeasurably better

[round sandal]

Hi. Mentor.

Hehehe :3

[gilded tartan]

You have already greeted me what do you wish for?

[round sandal]

I just wanted to say hi, too sleepy to talk

Still got a lot to do today

[gilded tartan]

I'm currently tracking a very slippery operative of corruption. No it's not the newt. That thing banned Me from its realm. (Ottermando lore)

[small cipher]

finally fire mod

[vapid dagger]

double nail retool is pretty good

[molten hound]

just got a clover from a chance shrine

they've been treating me DAMN good recently

chance doll did trigger, but still

[polar cobalt]

is it js me or is playing railgunner like comando js better than playing railgunner like railgunner?

[terse fossil]

because she's trash

[polar cobalt]

i mean , npt rly , she's got the ice special variant and the m1 auto aim going for her no?

[fresh idol]

high proc rate always was and is the strongest way to play and scale in Ror2

mount a crowdfunder into any character, get a brittle crown and all the power you feel from procs Commando has that at base or at least with some attack speed if you're that stubborn

or MULT or Captain or something similar

[polar cobalt]

dam

[woeful python]

I mean no!!

[fresh idol]

no

[sour nest]

How good is multiple tough times at once? And is there a falloff point?

[austere prism]

my eyes hurt

double nailgun without power mode

[sour nest]

There's literally 0 point to double nailgun without power mode lmao.

Unless you want a worse captain shotgun?

[fresh idol]

2 equipments

[sour nest]

That's disconnected from the nailgun itself.

[sacred elk]

You can alternate nailgun bursts

[pure axle]

people sleeping on retool double saw

[sour nest]

"Unless you want a worse captain shotgun"

[fresh idol]

it's something that powermode doesn't have so it's a reason why someone would pick double nail retool

[knotty canyon]

they stack multiplicatively, so they're good up until around 20-ish stacks

[sour nest]

But nobody would for that reason.

[fresh idol]

AC just did

[sacred elk]

Whoever on hopoo thought they should add a burst to the ending of nailgun single handedly saved it

[sour nest]

I doubt two equipment was the reason my guy.

[fresh idol]

very ignorant statement btw

[sour nest]

Early game, would it be a good idea to trade my items like coffee, goat legs and sticky bombs for all tougher times.

[sacred elk]

It’s almost like there’s a lot of good equipment

[knotty canyon]

not really

you get way more utility out of doing more damage + being able to move swifter than just...a chance to block damage

which you shouldn't be taking early on anyways

unless you're bad in which case 15 tougher times is not going to save you

[sour nest]

It's not very ignorant, it's a mid upside and there's still 0 reason to double nailgun instead of just pairing it with smth else or going powermode.

[pure axle]

what about 16 tougher times

[knotty canyon]

neither will 16

[golden linden]

you can't change survivors mid run, playing a survivor and immediatly going "it would be more effective if I was playing something else" is very ignorant and diminutive

[pure axle]

17?

[knotty canyon]

<X> amount of tougher times is not going to carry a bad player to victory

[livid idol]

18 is the magic number

[sacred elk]

True…

[pure axle]

what about... x+1?

[golden linden]

a good number to remember is 10 tougher times is 60% block

on the dot

[echo idol]

no dlc run and my takeaway is wheres all the content

real takeaway is that i dont the dlcs powercreep basegame items like at all its just how much more opportunities they give you (more gilded coast, halcy shrine, etc)

[livid idol]

I mean basegame doesn't not have content

[echo idol]

more common basegame items made the game so much easier than the past handful of runs ive done

[pure axle]

dlc brainrot

[echo idol]

i got two natural gasolines stage 1, offered two more gasoline printers throughout the run and they single handedly obliterated every encounter that hosted more than one enemy

cant say i miss watches elixirs or halcy shrines tho

💔

[sour nest]

Was moreover wandering if the stacking of tougher times would equate to a near-immortal run but seems not.

[somber prawn]

is combining drones convenient when you have spare drones parts?

[pure axle]

i forget which items are even sotv tbh

[livid idol]

You need a lot to reach that point

[golden linden]

65 safer spaces will get you closer to it

[livid idol]

Not feasible in a normal run

[golden linden]

a block every frame

[knotty canyon]

the tradeoff of being 'immortal' vs having no damage, no procs, no movement....is not going to be worth it

[echo idol]

i forget which items are sotv and which are basegame theres two instances of me picking up an item this run and i went "i thought that was sotv"

[knotty canyon]

shit is just gonna take forever to kill and it'll be super boring

[fresh idol]

what you think is a mid upside might not be mid to someone else

also AC did the math one of these days and apparently nailgun shotgun with retool is more dmg than just holding m1 with nailgun

[echo idol]

effects of having something in game for so long

[knotty canyon]

getting 3-4 early and having higher damage + getting good is the better option

[golden linden]

it's a very simple math

nailgun shoots 12 nails in a second
retool is half a second with some endlag

shotgun is a fixed 12 nails

[old python]

AC coming in clutch as usual.. also wonder why lmao.

[golden linden]

so if you can shoot more than 12 nails in around half a second

it's always worth it

problem is is that it's clunky with default binds and not really worth the trouble

as you could have kept the nailgun active when aiming enemy to enemy

[sour nest]

People have different opinions, very new news. Also yes double nailgun retool deals more DPS than a single nailgun, that's why you never just have a singular weapon as Mul-T.

[old python]

Guys, if transcendence made only half your hp shield, would it be balanced?

[fresh idol]

i'm glad we came to a conclusion then

[sour nest]

Well it depended how "immortal" one became from it, if it's basically unkillable levels then I would've done it, but it still seems to be very killable until you have a ton of tougher times which makes it non-worthwhile.

[sour nest]

That double nailgun retool is kinda redundant when captain and any other Mul-T weapon exists. 👍

[worldly haven]

joining this server caused my laptop to crash and lose my run

[old python]

Don't you need a couple billion tougher times to be invincible?

[worldly haven]

wth

[gentle copper]

beetle guard makes me immortal because maternal instinct kicks in and i no longer get hit by anything

[molten hound]

an omen.

[golden linden]

only 65 with safer spaces

[molten hound]

also, WHAT IS UP MY SLIMES

[old python]

Should let you know what you're in for.

[fresh idol]

actually yeah why not just choose nailgun rebar and keep switching? you at least get more range @vapid dagger

[old python]

Oh fr?

[golden linden]

would be the second time I say it

[sour nest]

I assume the cooldown of the first destroyed safer space procs restore before you run out of the later safer space procs?

[golden linden]

.

[sour nest]

Interesting.

[old python]

I almost have no memory in my brain dedicated to this server so, mb.

Oh wait I didn't even see that.

[livid idol]

So true

I love beetle guard theyre so silly

[gentle copper]

my chud son ❤️

[livid idol]

Beetle guard does their best, and their best is enough!!!

[primal nova]

Me n tc r friends now and we go Weeeeeeee

[worldly haven]

what gamma are y'all rocking? mine is -30% bc epilepsy

[primal nova]

Im not sure tbh

[worldly haven]

check :3

might be default if you're not sure

[primal nova]

Prolly cus ion even see it in the settings

Plus im on a lite ☹️

[worldly haven]

graphics way down

surprising it's not in video

[molten hound]

from what i remember, there arent any grapics settings on switch

[worldly haven]

oh

[primal nova]

There isnt as ive noticed 💀

[molten hound]

what issues are you having with it?

[worldly haven]

damn, sucks for switch users, lots of cool settings in graphics

[molten hound]

i might know a fix

[silver bone]

unlucky Loader build no clovers allowed

[livid idol]

Didn't know warlock magic can fix the nintendo switch

[old python]

Man I forgot to turn on music when I play.. will do next time ig.

[primal nova]

Lol I dont even have the sound on

[molten hound]

i used to be a switch player

[primal nova]

I only do have it on at night

[molten hound]

im usually watching something on my laptop

[primal nova]

Ayeee twin well I still am

[molten hound]

did you get gesture?

[primal nova]

But on the worst system 😛

[primal nova]

And have only crashed 6 times 💀

[molten hound]

if you dont already have it, you cant get it unless your playing in multiplayer and the other person has it

[primal nova]

Nope ☹️
Im stupid

[molten hound]

its broken and it cant progress

[worldly haven]

i usually listen to podcasts and such when i play, helps me keep myself grounded for some reason

[primal nova]

Anyways ima go ride on my tc280

[worldly haven]

hey chat, what's the cutest boss in your opinion?

[flint vortex]

Hello compiled voidtouched evil warlock who foretells the future

[primal nova]

Oop nvm I got one shot by a stupid vulture

[flint vortex]

Scavvy

[molten hound]

hello Hemiptera Shadow Realm

[worldly haven]

for me it's clay dunestrider

[languid crystal]

me too

[molten hound]

probably scav yea

[languid crystal]

it was so rough. pc qol mods improve the game so much

[primal nova]

This gup is now committing spawn camp

[old python]

Mmmm cutest?..... Beetle queens ig.

[flint vortex]

I love how every survivor looks cool even if just a little

Gearbox is good at character design

[primal nova]

Im still tryna get to 20 stages

[molten hound]

i personally switched to xbox, it was a handmedown from my brother and my laptop can barely run roblox lmao

[primal nova]

I died at 19 w mando :((

[molten hound]

damn.

[worldly haven]

definitely in my top 3

[molten hound]

i hated doing that acheivement

[languid crystal]

ahh

[molten hound]

and its for a move that isnt even good most of the time

[primal nova]

Plus im doing it w glass arti on 😁

[old python]

Who's the other one? Other than clay dunstrider.

[worldly haven]

i mean, they did make borderlands, so it's nothing too surprising

[molten hound]

im saving for a gaming laptop though

[languid crystal]

gesture sucks

the unlock i mean

[flint vortex]

Huh i actually kinda expected someone to disagree on gearbox being good at character design

[old python]

Gl.

[worldly haven]

hold on imma look up its name

[molten hound]

naw they cook with everything looks wise

[old python]

Also why is the imp overlord so fucking caked up?

[worldly haven]

grovetender

[sacred elk]

I love you mark

[old python]

Valid.

[molten hound]

....squats...

[vapid dagger]

i do not like playing mul-t

[old python]

Was playing with my brother and we both died laughing after looking at his booty, gawd did it stand out.

[errant marsh]

What loadout

[molten hound]

wrong
to the suction dimension with you.

[primal nova]

Immediately got a red drop and turned into a dios

[vapid dagger]

double nail retool

[flint vortex]

I kinda dont like gearbox balancing tho

[vapid dagger]

shotgun spam

[primal nova]

Bc yk glass ur basically a one shot 😁

[molten hound]

why is imp overlord so......red in the logbook

[errant marsh]

Budget captain

[molten hound]

i swear it isnt this red ingame

[languid crystal]

i tried it, ít so bỏing

[worldly haven]

i feel like clay dunestrider for 1 is an odd pick, but i just think how they extend their legs like baby owls is adorable, being one of the only things i like about owls, which i have a phobia for

[languid crystal]

literally bottom 3 mul t loadout

[old python]

He's mostly black in-game.

[vapid dagger]

transport mode actually was the star of the show

[molten hound]

also the logbook eye has a sun shaped pupil in the logbook

[flint vortex]

It isnt its way too red in the role emoji thing too

[eager barn]

shotgun spam powermode is fun id say

[vapid dagger]

4 runalds bonk

[languid crystal]

do rebar powermode next if u do mul t

[vapid dagger]

i'll try it i guess

[molten hound]

rebar is better with retool

[languid crystal]

eh to that, but retool shot gun spam is way worst

[errant marsh]

Shotgun spam is shitty captain

[languid crystal]

ik im tryna give him botched loadouts

[errant marsh]

Rebar spam is shitty railgunner

[eager barn]

it feels cool to alternate which shotgun

imo

[errant marsh]

Mul T is the budget survivor

[languid crystal]

scrap ie cool arti

[worldly haven]

sugar, i had a feeling i've seen you somewhere else, turns out we're both in the dead cells server

[vapid dagger]

this is nice at least

[molten hound]

chat i have a question

[primal nova]

So am I 😁

[old python]

Go on.

[primal nova]

Im at bc3 and it's my most played game for now

[molten hound]

if i reposses engi turrets can i get scrap from them

[old python]

I'm active there, so possibly.

Ngl same.

[languid crystal]

i have like three more crappy loadouts u can use

[eager barn]

oh god

[sly copper]

lmaooo i had no white items

crazy

[vapid dagger]

let me guess the next one
rebar saw power mode?

[golden linden]

slotmachine sounds

[sly copper]

dingdingdingdingding

[old python]

Didn't try tbh.

[golden linden]

you can't get scrap out of allies

[languid crystal]

nah i was gnna say arti all default but change alt prinary to plasma

[molten hound]

yea i know, thought it mightve been different because its your allies ally

[languid crystal]

captain double heal(diablo) or diablo double resup

[old python]

I have exactly three messages replying to you there lmao.

[languid crystal]

merc 211 also perhaps

[errant marsh]

Default huntress with flurry

[old python]

Aw man, well ig commando lives.

[vapid dagger]

ive done that one before and its actually pretty good

[languid crystal]

or just saw retool saw lmao

[sage python]

i dont see a problem with that arti or merc loadout

[languid crystal]

oh word

[languid crystal]

oh i know. 2111 bandit

[errant marsh]

Default commando

[sage python]

2111 is fine too

[languid crystal]

2111 is lame tho

[old python]

He Def already did that.

[vapid dagger]

artificer has no bad loadouts

[languid crystal]

one can argue theyre all bad

[sage python]

i mean the primary and secondary being 21 is a bit weird but i dont see any big issue

[languid crystal]

go acrid full alt

20 mins mithrix fight if ur good at the game but if ur bad then u die at stage 3 when blight falls off

[vapid dagger]

ive done that too

[old python]

@vapid dagger do engi default but mobile turrets.

[errant marsh]

Play void fiends worst loadout

[languid crystal]

nice work now use huntress all default

i love hating on huntress default

[old python]

The bubble and stationary bombs don't particularly help the mobile turrets.

[vapid dagger]

i may have to direct you to any of my previous huntress runs

bc thats how i normally play her

[errant marsh]

Self damageless rex

[undone gorge]

I see why engi is good now

[golden linden]

good job

[languid crystal]

why do u do that

her alts r alll better

[old python]

Why not.

[languid crystal]

play full all operatir hes not bad but its funny

[undone gorge]

Closest I got to dying was fall damage in prime meridian. Bungus on turrets is basically invincibility (at least on drizzle)

[undone gorge]

Didn't get bands but had fun

[errant marsh]

Engineer is beyond broken

[golden linden]

fuckkkkkkkkk

[errant marsh]

In drizzle

[old python]

Mmmmm I would eat one of these rn.

[golden linden]

one slice of this with a cup of joe

oh yeah it's sunset time

[sacred elk]

Gimme a Rex with no secondary
No secondary?
No special
No special?
And default utility
And default util- hey hopoo gimme a Rex with nuthin!
Nuthin?

[golden linden]

if you turn off dlc, aqueduct is one of two stage 2s

[errant marsh]

Man there's a lot of characters that don't have bad loadouts at all

[vapid dagger]

bc strafe and base blink are arguably better and arrow rain serves what i need from a special better than ballista

[golden linden]

so you can directly choose it on newt

[sage python]

arrow rain got that flair

[languid crystal]

strafe i can see, but phase blink is top 3 util damn near

[languid crystal]

ballista is better than rain but still not that good but arrow rain stinks

[sage python]

both blinks are apt

[molten hound]

wonder what tierlist this is

[errant marsh]

Huntress without ballista single target damage -> 0

[undone gorge]

I was about to ask if you could unlock items even when you die but if that weren't the case, I'd have very little.

[vapid dagger]

a lot of people just dont learn the base blink timing well enough to have it perform well

[sage python]

i like arrow rain

[sage python]

if only it had a little higher proc

[fresh idol]

why double nail retool when you can just nail rebar and still achieve the same thing

[coarse merlin]

rex should have an ability with slayer that does huge self damage if it fails to kill
Like 90% or something

[vapid dagger]

challenge run

[languid crystal]

hes doing bad loadouts on purpose

obviously no one would go nail retool unironically

[sacred elk]

No way a hulk skin

[golden linden]

I do when I play retool

[languid crystal]

bruh

[errant marsh]

Retool saw gotta be the worst mul T loadout

[vapid dagger]

also this already feels somewhat better than double nail

rebar is just that good of a primary

[languid crystal]

i tried it and man its a cool “tech” but its a hassle

[golden linden]

I don't even do the nail blast thing

[sage python]

gotta be the worst loadout

[golden linden]

I just use the regular ass nail

[coarse merlin]

I liked power mode + double nail a lot
Felt like heavy tf2

[fresh idol]

you mean double nail right

[errant marsh]

Probably

[languid crystal]

that too

[sacred elk]

Gotta be the worst loadout

[coarse pagoda]

You don't have the slightest idea

[languid crystal]

why would u nail retool nail

[fresh idol]

so you're dissing retool in general?

[sacred elk]

I forget does saw also do like an extra spin when you stop firing or does it do nothing

[languid crystal]

no u misunderstood me im bashing double nail retool and double nail power

[vapid dagger]

the shotgun burst is worse dps for nailgun without retool

[sage python]

bypass endlag?

[golden linden]

I like it

[languid crystal]

really? to do the tech i assume js spam retool, m1 and let go?

[vapid dagger]

yeah the endlag getting skipped is what makes it better

[golden linden]

i assume the nail burst reachs it's max potential with a single syringe just like double rebar does

as it'll be a burst every .5s

[vapid dagger]

you cant really do that without retool

[languid crystal]

yeah

[sage python]

gotcha

[vapid dagger]

technically no

its really technical and always requires input from the player bc if you swap without releasing the button it doesnt burst

[golden linden]

how does that make a techinically no

[vapid dagger]

bc its entirely dependant on how quickly you can perform the correct inputs

[balmy bobcat]

do we have any leaks for the dlc yet

[languid crystal]

the fun mul t loadouts i use

double scrap
scrap nail power
scrap rebar retool
saw power mode nail

[golden linden]

that has nothing to do with what I was saying tho

[coarse pagoda]

Pretty sure the more syringes the better
But the input is the real thing

[balmy bobcat]

double saw is fun but so bad

[languid crystal]

i know im js letting the people know

[languid crystal]

yeah its actually a meme but i DO have a monsoon run w mul t double saw

[golden linden]

the cap for retool cooldown is .5s, it can't be faster than that

[vapid dagger]

the point is that "max potential" is kind of just reached instantly?

[golden linden]

so you are capped to doing a burst every .5s

[fresh idol]

SAWCON MULT LOADOUT

[golden linden]

yeah

[primal nova]

Really hmmm

[balmy bobcat]

i remembet i won one because i got shurikens as my 2nd drop

[languid crystal]

saw con is only usable w shurikens and 3bpuritys or 300 light pauldrobs

[vapid dagger]

you reach the "max potential" at 0 syringes effectively

[golden linden]

so what I said was right

[old python]

Yeah.. but they weren't deadcells related which is surprising.

[vapid dagger]

i havent really measured it enough myself tho

[coarse pagoda]

DEAD CELLS MENTIONED RAHHHHH

[golden linden]

lemme test

[vapid dagger]

i dont know exactly what optimal nail swapping looks like

[languid crystal]

should i grab wungus as viend

[golden linden]

retool animation doesn't get faster than .5s

which reachs it with a single syringe of speed

[coarse pagoda]

Well damn

[errant marsh]

Retool is weirdly faster if you tap the button instead of holding before getting a syringe

[golden linden]

if the blast never scales higher than 12 nails, the max would be the single syringe

[coarse pagoda]

Tbf it would be really funny If syringes just got rid of the .5
You basically never stop shooting

[golden linden]

I mean the base speed is 12 nails per second

[fresh idol]

nades are op

[golden linden]

the moment you can do 12 nails in .5s you are doing better than retooling with double nail

[coarse pagoda]

Ok so retool sucks

Ggs

[golden linden]

no that's not where I'm going at all lol

[coarse pagoda]

The agenda MUST go on

[golden linden]

yeah it doesn't scale with syringes

[fresh idol]

this is optimal Commando gameplay

[molten hound]

something is wrong with his model
he looks cooler

he has armor

[golden linden]

spamming and holding don't seem to do anything

[molten hound]

also 8 bombs in his hand, but thats not as intresting

[fresh idol]

it's a mod

[fresh idol]

btw this run ended with 80 minutes on a win

it's very old

[molten hound]

not suprising

[flint vortex]

Gearbox design = good
Gearbox balancing = not good

[fresh idol]

neither Hopoop did good balancing

Hopoop does balancing bad more on the weaker side tho

like Arrow Rain

[golden linden]

yeah 7 syringes already makes it better than double nail burst retool just holding the button

and you can comfortably hold r and spam m1 by the 4th syringe

[fresh idol]

which i prefer

[coarse merlin]

Gallery of glory

Does anyone have any suggestions, with accompanying images to edit

[sacred elk]

Dude the Star Fox remake

They didn’t even show off the worst redesigns in the direct

Can you even tell who these are

Because it’s katt and leon

[unique hawk]

Yes

[undone gorge]

Is the one on the right Rango?

[unique hawk]

Leon from star wolf

[sacred elk]

What the fuck are they doing

[flint vortex]

Rango from rango

[unique hawk]

This isn't star fox chat

[flint vortex]

Yeah it not being tf2 chat didnt stop us last night

[sacred elk]

I’m sorry it’s just so ass

I need someone else to share the pain

[unique hawk]

I'm not really bothered by it

[flint vortex]

Then feel the pain i feel when people hate on drifter/loader/acrid

[sacred elk]

I like characters

[unique hawk]

I'll still probably play it too

[sacred elk]

Punisher can ride devil dinosaur

[unique hawk]

What

[livid idol]

That is true yes

[sacred elk]

It’s probably turbo ass but that’s really funny

[bitter steppe]

Im back

[sacred elk]

Unless punisher can use his turret while on devil

[spare saddle]

can you leave again

[sacred elk]

In which case mobile turret

[bitter steppe]

:[

[spare saddle]

sorry that was mean

[bitter steppe]

Back to prime meridan I go

[terse fossil]

absolute cinema

[livid idol]

I'll meet you there 🔫

[bitter steppe]

Ill wait

Don't keep me waiting survivor

[livid idol]

Currently seeking storms

[terse fossil]

who will shatter first?

[spare saddle]

ur mother

[bitter steppe]

Don't go dissing auri like that

[bitter steppe]

Theres nothing left

[spare saddle]

thats perfect

[lilac finch]

thank you

took me lots of effort to make

[bitter steppe]

I approve of this

So peak

[undone gorge]

I need to make/find a gif of someone hitting a child as loader and it getting struck down with 5 luminous shot charges with the caption "stay mad"

[terse fossil]

it should be noted that this is not mine

[undone gorge]

Make would probably be more appropriate

[terse fossil]

wait hold on i have a clip of me nuking a child with diablo on captain

[undone gorge]

That may be better

[spare saddle]

best use of diablo

[undone gorge]

That was gold, thank you

[bitter steppe]

We all love Nuking the hell out of children

[spare saddle]

and then go home to play risk of rain 2

[terse fossil]

btw yesterday i was locked the fuck out of my mind while playing ror for some reason and lost 5 runs stupidly lmao

[spare saddle]

hello 67

[fresh idol]

chill i didn't send anything

hello

[tawdry hornet]

mando

[spare saddle]

shit sir

[tawdry hornet]

good job

[bitter steppe]

Here is something I made on capcut in 7 minutes

[spare saddle]

you should edit it so it sounds like "be cod" instead

[bitter steppe]

Maybe next time

[halcyon creek]

eclipse 9 when

[spare saddle]

never

[halcyon creek]

now?

[sacred elk]

Die you bald piece of shit

[bitter steppe]

The last thing a beetle sees upon usage of the

[spare saddle]

he wasnt lying
that really did kill baldi

[bitter steppe]

LETS GO GAMBLING

[spare saddle]

i love gambling all my money away

[undone gorge]

Why does the first part sound like "appetizer"

[spare saddle]

i have to combine 2
i aint doing those

[bitter steppe]

Because it is

[golden linden]

thought experiment

how many hooves to reach lightspeed

[spare saddle]

at least 1

[bitter steppe]

When i posted it to my channel its literally called "Sisyphis finds a appetiser"

[golden linden]

hoof is +14%
base movespeed is 7 m/s

[undone gorge]

Oh, I though you were fucking with me at first.

[golden linden]

lightspeed is 299,792,458

[bitter steppe]

nah. I don't "Fuck" with people

I cave their skull in with my club

[lilac finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YRUHSfjJ88

aww man it doesnt show

[spare saddle]

malware

[golden linden]

each hoof is +.98 m/s

[bitter steppe]

What is it?

[lilac finch]

it was supposed to be tenebre rosso sangue but the metal pipe remix

[bitter steppe]

Its in youtube

[livid idol]

@spare saddle (I'm at work and don't want to go through the work to download the gif, cut down the size and then send it)

[lilac finch]

just ignore it

[bitter steppe]

Im out of here. back to prime meridan I go

[golden linden]

305,910,665 hooves to reach lightspeed

[livid idol]

o7

[spare saddle]

my ears have been blessed

[lilac finch]

ye. kinda sucks it doesnt show the vid. makes it look a ton more suspicious

[golden linden]

343 for speed of sound, mach 1

[unique hawk]

No embeds

[undone gorge]

Why are you watching a runescape (don't smite me if it's something else) video at work?

[spare saddle]

why arent you?

[undone gorge]

Because I don't work

[spare saddle]

what are you waiting for then?

go get a j*b

[undone gorge]

You're not gonna like my reason not to, it's a little venty.

[spare saddle]

go on then

[golden linden]

vent... just like...

[spare saddle]

say it

[tawny pilot]

don't think it don't say it don't think it don't say it

[spare saddle]

say it you coward

[livid idol]

Because i have an earbud to listen to it while I make drinks

Having something playing in my ears helps me do things

[golden linden]

that's cool

your boss doesn't mind?

[livid idol]

For one, I am the only person here for closing shifts which are the ones i do

And secondly yeah as long as it's one earbud and not headphones

[golden linden]

that's baller

[livid idol]

I do mute it when i'm taking an order, though

It's just easier to parse what they want even if i can understand either way

I have run out of runescape to listen to so it's back to music

[livid idol]

My coworker quit yesterday so I work five days a week now which is cool i suppose

More money to make

I hope I can keep using earbuds at the new place if I end up getting hired on

[vapid dagger]

i finished the double rebar power mode run

rebar just scales so well

felt worse than default mando tho

[echo idol]

almost 400 son run

[golden linden]

how many wins total?

[echo idol]

across the whole roster?

[golden linden]

ye

mine is all fucked up if I were to guess

I fucked around too much with debugtoolkit

[echo idol]

543 if i had to guess? if my math is right

[rancid temple]

mithrix is so funny cause run being good, then bam, landed on a ball and died instatly

[golden linden]

told ya

[echo idol]

and i will walk 500 miles

and i will walk 500 more

just to be the man who walk a thousand miles to flal down at your door

what were you even doing to make that number

debug toolkit make me break all known concepts of speed and distance

[golden linden]

my times picked stat is all hermit crab

[livid idol]

I think i have 100% damage on railgunner

I don't remember what I did to achieve that

[vapid dagger]

i think commando is good and anyone who thinks otherwise has massive skill issue now

[livid idol]

It might have been the run where i did 1,000,000 damage in one shot and then i kept going for artifacts

[vapid dagger]

the more i play other characters the more i feel like default commando is just really good

[echo idol]

you didnt think people who thought commando was bad had a skissue before

👁️

[livid idol]

Dive sucks compared to slide, especially considering it's bugged atm but like a movement tool is a movement tool, not everyone has a burst tool that you pretty much always have ready comfortably

[echo idol]

skill tissue

[livid idol]

Like playing around dive's quirks of being bugged it's mostly reliable for me even if I have to do funky movement of stopping to go backwards

Railgunner as an example has much less reliable movement even if she can go a lot further in one go

12 seconds of cooldown to get out now and needing to position and time that movement is something notable

Idk I just think commando is awesome sauce

[vapid dagger]

no this is fair

dive is definitely the weak link in commando's default kit and always has been

[pastel shuttle]

That one friend that's too 🦀

[vapid dagger]

theres also just something so powerful about having a tiny hurtbox

[livid idol]

True

Commando gets to weave in and out of enemies because he's comparatively tiny and also nimble

[vapid dagger]

going from playing railgunner and mul-t to playing commando is a trip

[livid idol]

I'd imagine

[coarse merlin]

Drew this banger in paint

[vapid dagger]

bc suddenly nothing fucking hits you

[livid idol]

Railgunner is big on commitment, I personally don't take much damage but I do take damage on rg

[sinful dust]

Average AC unit that costs the same as a lemurian to spawn 🥀

[livid idol]

I got really good at quickscoping as her which is what led to me doing her itemless back in march and vibing the whole time

[languid crystal]

dive is poop

[eager barn]

i wish dive at least had something to flaunt in its skill description

[languid crystal]

doing a railgunner run rn with 9 gesture of drowns with deus ex

in fucking false son up

[eager barn]

and also wished it worked correctly ofc lol

[livid idol]

Worse yes, but I hesitate to say outright bad or garbage, just worse compared to the alt

You can still do lots with dive

[eager barn]

doesnt even need to excel, just some draw to show off and provide some additional utility

[livid idol]

It could be nemmando dive in like having armor and id be happy (including bugfixing istg if it doesn't get patched)

[golden linden]

every time you use dive your pc sends a resumé to your local meatmonger

[livid idol]

Ac must have many resumés

Also hi mr fixer who i very much so don't know as someone else

[errant marsh]

Iron alluvium is hell

[livid idol]

Nah

[vapid dagger]

well i was specifically using full alt rg so i didnt have the luxury of bailing with blast jumping

[golden linden]

on eclipse it is

[eager barn]

hi

[errant marsh]

Playing railgunner with 0 aoe

[vapid dagger]

that mightve been it

[errant marsh]

0

[golden linden]

distributors, scorchers

prospectors magma worms

[livid idol]

Ah- she's much less commital on alt, or I guess a lot more because no concussion mines

[errant marsh]

I did make it past alluvium but it was hell

I hate distributors

It doesn't help that I got 4 entire items on stage 1

[native falcon]

How is that possible lol

[vital depot]

Fuck ton of printers and basically anything else that isn’t chests

[austere prism]

just wish they did less dmg on death

I gotta stall killing them so I don't get nuked by the mines

[vital depot]

this was my worst stage 1 that i have an image of, there were like 5-6 printers and multiple drones

and two of the printers had actually good white items
it’s a shame that i never fucking got ANY

[rancid temple]

its surprising how often stage one will give you a good white printer and no whites to dump it into

that is a thing that happens more often than it shoudl

[cosmic lintel]

i mean you got ceremonial daggers

thats pretty decent atleast

[languid crystal]

holy fuck

deus ex and hella gestures clutches hard, deus ex cooldown was so short that it was reactivating b4 it ran out

[golden linden]

burgerless widow

[dusty rapids]

Just did a run 👍

[errant marsh]

No halcyon shrine titanic plains

Aren't you supposed to be flying to Britain to buy a KFC console

[slim goblet]

OMG

I just spent an hour and a half doing recycler macro

Just to die to phase 4 mithrix due to a silly mistake

The death is like soooooooo my fault

Which makes it even worse😭

[errant marsh]

Damn

[vapid dagger]

fuck this guy

yes i led him all the way over here

[turbid path]

Understandable

[worldly haven]

i feel bad for beetle queen, she's so squishy and can't even defend herself

i killed one in like 6 seconds on stage 1

[errant marsh]

What character

[worldly haven]

bandit

[errant marsh]

Oh she got desperadod

[worldly haven]

backstab knife deleted like 40% of her health

[golden linden]

I'll say this multiple times during the next few days to gather some info, for science:

If you are a person that thinks "Commando is bad" because of any of the following:

-Weak;
-Needs to luck out on items;
-Low numbers;
-Something else;

Could you answer this message with your brief detailed thoughts on the matter?

You are free answer this message on the matter, but I am only curious to gather and analyze messagens from those who truly think Commando is bad.

[worldly haven]

i had 2 armor piercing ammunitions

[iron palm]

Commando isn't bad hes just the least good

[upper wing]

why was that deleted

[errant marsh]

I've sent this shit on accident twice

[upper wing]

oh

[errant marsh]

I don't want to send a tier list here because uhh idk

[errant marsh]

The cancel button never fucking works btw

[worldly haven]

i hate commando bc essentially all you do is hold down the shoot button, but he's at worst just boring to use, not bad

[errant marsh]

I wouldn't say any survivor in the game is bad but Commando is probably like bottom 3

[iron palm]

POV: You posted your opinion in #ror2-discussion and you are about to get mobbed:

[golden linden]

I'll edit the message to specify that you are free to share your thoughts on the matter, but I'll only gather and analyze from those that truly think commando is bad

[vapid dagger]

this is like the 3rd time in a row ive found an nkuhanas from the legendary chest on sundered grove

[iron palm]

Her concepts havent changed

[errant marsh]

Commando simply doesn't have the juice other survivors do

[vapid dagger]

commando doesnt need the juice other survivors do

[iron palm]

He's still perfectly viable he just seems lackluster relative to the crazy shit other survivors can do

If youre bad with commando youre bad at the game

[worldly haven]

is there a premade tierlist maker list with the survivors

[upper wing]

i love commando

[golden linden]

https://tiermaker.com/create/risk-of-rain-2-survivors-alloyed-collective-update-18858981

[vapid dagger]

he ends up so consistent even in comparison to other characters that i cant really even call him that bad

[iron palm]

If this was pre dlc I would agree with that

But yeah I dont view him "bad" per se

Moreso "least overtuned " but even that sounds weird

[molten hound]

i like how when a combat shrine summons children, it says "childs"

[iron palm]

Gtg

[tawdry hornet]

i'm not a commando is bad person i just think he's intensely mind numbingly boring to play

i get that's kind of the point of his basic easy to grasp kit but i've never really had any fun playing him

[molten hound]

minor spelling error, rip gearbox apart

[molten hound]

goodbye

[errant marsh]

I just wish phase blast had a 1.0 proc coefficient it'd be so funny

[molten hound]

me when im childs from the thingler

[worldly haven]

i forgot which robot was mul-t, the yellow or green one

[molten hound]

yreller

new day just passed

[tawdry hornet]

yellow is MUL-T green is HAN-D

[molten hound]

me when im in "the thing" and the thoingler is thingling that thang

[molten hound]

me when im thingin it so thoingly that i thing all over the thunging thrung

[worldly haven]

when can i send images? i made my list

[molten hound]

you gotta get a roll

[golden linden]

here, get #roles

[molten hound]

#roles

i think you gotta get a character roll and a device roll

i thoink

[sage python]

any single role will suffice

[molten hound]

arti is in a bizzare spot there twin.

[worldly haven]

i've tried to use her, but aiming with her just sucks

[molten hound]

what does this entail.

[placid quail]

Just say opponents 😭

[molten hound]

this aint what i meant twin

i will devour you on a dinner plate

[worldly haven]

womp womp, i don't take questions

[vapid dagger]

i went from needing to charge the tele to full and using void fog to kill the stage 3 boss to getting to a pretty comfortable position by just playing decently

[molten hound]

it will take years to develop the plate though because of your shape

[placid quail]

I love killing AWU with void seed fog

[worldly haven]

more like perfect for a stew

[molten hound]

crumble.

[livid idol]

What the freaksicle have I come back to

[worldly haven]

it sucks that i have to use mul-t to 100% achievements

[molten hound]

im thoinging my thang so much its thinging my thurng

[worldly haven]

ic you get it

[errant marsh]

WHY THE FUCK IS RAILGUNNER GAME CRASH STILL A THING

[unique hawk]

What crash

[worldly haven]

as someone new to the game, this sounds like nothing i will ever relate to

[unique hawk]

I've never had the game crash because of rg

[golden linden]

THAT CURSED BANDICOOT

[languid crystal]

what railgunner crash

[errant marsh]

It happens all the time on my xbox

[worldly haven]

oh btw now that i have access to pics

[errant marsh]

Whenever I scope and shoot sometimes my game just fucking crashes

[unique hawk]

Weird

Never had that happen

[worldly haven]

do you like my recent commando run

[languid crystal]

sounds like xbox only

[unique hawk]

Yeah

[errant marsh]

Pretty sure it is

And it's bullshit

Railgunner is such a cool character! A shame my game fucking explodes when I play her

[tribal dragon]

solus scorchers make me sad

[worldly haven]

it's somehow super therapeutic to melt bosses that keep killing me early on in the matter of seconds with 40+ stacks of bleed

[golden linden]

the proccler

chain me this batman

[molten hound]

she runic lens my 2000% damage till i proc

[tribal dragon]

fastest base speed enemy in the game
high armor and health in general with low spawn credit cost

this enemy is kind of absurd and near impossible to deal with earlygame as a character like drifter

[languid crystal]

i like them

[sage python]

isnt xi construct higher

[tribal dragon]

i'm talking enemies that aren't bosses

[sage python]

ah ok

[tribal dragon]

keep in mind this is like, the solus version of a wisp essentially

they're everywhere on stages like verdant falls

[vapid dagger]

oops i rolled funny

[unique hawk]

Scorchers did not need armor

[tribal dragon]

their speed is only more evident playing on e4+

I like the concept of an enemy being fast and thus a bit harder to hit, but being that fast while also having armor is kinda fucked

[sonic tangle]

also something weird

[vapid dagger]

hehehehe
i like being able to get up here featherless

[sonic tangle]

their grease puddles are apparently enemies

[vapid dagger]

you can detonate them with fire attacks

[sonic tangle]

which causes a few weird interactions

[blissful torrent]

scorchers and distributors are both too cheap credits-wise imo

[sonic tangle]

such as resonance disc being distracted by them

[vapid dagger]

that that is a thing isnt it

[sonic tangle]

happened to me yesterday

idk if it specifically has a lower priority but i doubt it does

[tribal dragon]

i wanna pick the brain of the person who was like

yeah let's make scorchers the fastest base enemy in the game, give them 5x the health of lesser wisps, and give them 20 armor on TOP of that. and make them stage 1 enemies

god forbid an elite one spawns and you don't have a way to instantly deal with it when you spawn in on verdant

[tribal dragon]

my beloved res disc proccing only to fly directly into an aqueduct pot

[errant marsh]

Okay yeah im never getting railgunner e8

[tribal dragon]

agree

[errant marsh]

Crashed again

[livid idol]

It's "balanced" by being able to ignore them since if you keep moving they pretty much never hit you (it's stupid though)

[tribal dragon]

i mean, that goes for most enemies. it's not direct counterplay

walk in circles and win

[sonic tangle]

they dont just go away after a while is the issue

they will pile up until you cant dodge them no more

[vital depot]

I think that’s pretty fine, adds some extra difficulty that’s otherwise for the most part missing, and they’re fairly slow attacking anyways compared to the other stage 1-2 enemies

[livid idol]

They take a good while to attack so it's more effective on them than like blind pests or wisps

[sonic tangle]

thing is i really like scorchers

[vital depot]

They spit out the oil slop which does nothing initially, and then they have to fly back over to it and burn it, you got time to move

[tribal dragon]

the problem is their spawn credits are so low that they just keep spawning en masse and you inevitably get dogpiled by them without being able to take them all out effectively on early stages

[sonic tangle]

theyre just a bit too tanky

otherwise i wouldnt change them

[vital depot]

I think they’re the one AC solus enemy that i actually fully like

[livid idol]

Much more effective, like I just haven't been hit unless I stopped moving. They absolutely need a little less bulk though

That or make them a little more expensive

[vapid dagger]

yeah commando is good

not the best character in the game

[sonic tangle]

i think each stage 1 flier has their own role

[vital depot]

They’re not so weak that they cant pull off the thing that makes them threatening before they die and their attack isn’t really terrible either

[vapid dagger]

but definitely an extremely solid character with no real weaknesses

[sonic tangle]

did anyone say this

[vapid dagger]

no

[tribal dragon]

i like invalidators and prospectors, transporters are kinda whatever, and extractors are usually easy to deal with but have some interesting mechanics and interactions

scorchers and distributors gotta be toned down though

[unique hawk]

Commando has always been good

[sonic tangle]

i dont mind any of the solus enemies that much

[blissful torrent]

commando is the best character in the game

[vital depot]

I don’t like Invalidators because it really feels like they just dont add much

[vapid dagger]

people still seem to assume "commando is good but everyone else is still better"

[sonic tangle]

even the ones that are too strong i still enjoy

[vapid dagger]

which i still find weird

[sonic tangle]

mando has no gimmicks

[blissful torrent]

i think the solus enemies are all great in concept but some need fine-tuning

[vapid dagger]

bc no hes pretty middle of the road

[vital depot]

They have predictive aiming so they will miss a lot if you’re not moving in basic lines or patterns, even then they may still shit the bed with just that, and they’re so big and easy to target you can kill them pretty quickly

[tribal dragon]

I do think distributors are very satisfying kills with aoe items

but god if one spawns right in front of me on a low movespeed run one more time I'm going insane

[sonic tangle]

i like both scorchers and distributors despite them definitely being a bit too strong

[vapid dagger]

he definitely doesnt have enough overwhelming power to be anywhere close to the best
but he doesnt have enough weaknesses to be anywhere close to the worst

[sonic tangle]

i like that they have predictive aiming

[errant marsh]

Distributors definitely need to cost more

[vapid dagger]

commando is straight mid

which in this game is "pretty good"

[vital depot]

I think they’d do better without it cause they fire off into nowhere a lot, at least by aiming where the player is going to have been at gives the player a spot that they cant run back to temporarily

[tribal dragon]

commando is baseline one of the most middle of the road characters but he's amazing because there's so much build potential with him

[sonic tangle]

so are there 8 survivors better and 8 survivors worse than mando

[vapid dagger]

i kind of think there are

[blissful torrent]

tbh i like this about them, it means when you first encounter them there's a pretty solid chance they hit you, which makes you immediately realise the potential threat they pose and incentivises you to work out how they work to be able to deal with them in future

[sonic tangle]

id be interested in hearing who

[tribal dragon]

I really don't think there's a single "bad survivor"

[sonic tangle]

there aint

[vapid dagger]

also yes that is true

[blissful torrent]

8 and a half of each actually

[vital depot]

yeah we got directly opposing views on their aiming, maybe my movement is so jacked up and weird that it’s just the complete opposite experience

[sonic tangle]

in combination with other enemies it forces you to change your dodging strategy

since most other enemies dont lead their shots but invalidators lead like crazy

[vapid dagger]

mul-t i cant help but put lower

[vital depot]

Sometimes they shoot off the screen behind me and i’m just not going in that direction whatsoever

And it’s not because they shot out there, i literally just wasn’t planning on going there in the first place

[sonic tangle]

that might just be you playing ddr with your movement keys lmao

[vapid dagger]

even mul-ts best loadouts feel limited compared to mando's worst

[sonic tangle]

like subconsciously

[errant marsh]

Double rebar doesn't feel very limiting to me personally

[blissful torrent]

they're pretty clearly support enemies, they try to predict where you're going so you dodge into their projectile and their allies get set up for a free kill

[sonic tangle]

i think it is

its very specialized at one thing and mult is still mult

[tribal dragon]

i raise you: one (1) stun grenade and a few tri-tips

[livid idol]

I think my issue with the solus enemies at large is just that they're everywhere. Scorchers, invalidators, transporters, extractors & and prospectors. They all control space, with the first three making an aoe you need to get away with, and the other two requiring you to kinda dance around, but I don't love how you get multiple stages with multiple of the guys who fill similar roles like that (also distributors fuck I forgot those honestly they control space too but at the same time it's just complete area denial unless you have good aoe to kill them at a range to not get touched by mines explosion, or burst them down the moment they spawn) like multiple enemies fulfilling the same niche isn't bad but I don't want them everywhere together idk how is there being a transporter and an invalidator different to two invalidators, besides a transporter being tankier

[tribal dragon]

as double nailgun

[golden linden]

how so

[errant marsh]

Rebar is an extremely versatile primary

[vapid dagger]

i call that with more than one enemy

[livid idol]

Also extractors are really easy to dodge with not much movement, imo too easy

[golden linden]

no falloff and infinite piercing that comes out every .5s

[errant marsh]

I don't think its very specialized

[vapid dagger]

and mando is also kind of just as good

[blissful torrent]

invalidators and prospectors are probably my two favourites, prospectors are a good new stage 1 enemy and invalidators make you think

[errant marsh]

Rebar does everything but attack speed scaling

[vapid dagger]

rebar is mul-ts best primary ngl

[golden linden]

no diminishing damage on the piercing either

[sonic tangle]

its good but jts still on mult who is weird

[golden linden]

weird how

[tribal dragon]

rebar is strong but I'll always prefer double nailgun for attack speed shenanigans and nailboosting

[sonic tangle]

mostly my issues with his utility

[golden linden]

which are?

[blissful torrent]

my hot take is that scrap launcher is the most fun mul-t primary

[sonic tangle]

it feels so inflexible as mobility

[vapid dagger]

mul-t has horrible acceleration and a giant hurtbox
no real good disengage options either so he doesnt get the option to pick his battles really

[sonic tangle]

plus that

[quick plume]

My hot take is this dlc feels like a bunch of hallowed concepts

[vapid dagger]

commando can just
fuck off
and dance around combat

[golden linden]

I feel that I do that a lot with transport mode

don't text while driving and you'll know where you're going

[errant marsh]

Transport mode give mul T a shit ton of armor and its good enough to get away from most threats

[sonic tangle]

honestly idk how to justify mando > mult other than mando is more fluid

[errant marsh]

Canister can stun 90% of dangerous enemies

[vapid dagger]

i usually end up repositioning with transport mode but its still a much higher commitment utility than slide or even dive is

[molten hound]

woaaaooaoaoooaaaaaaoooaaa

[unique hawk]

Not a fan of scrap launcher

[sonic tangle]

oh yeah slide my beloved

[vapid dagger]

and youre still a giant hurtbox for the whole thing

[molten hound]

i love scrap launcher

[unique hawk]

Don't like how slow it is

[molten hound]

yummy aoe

[golden linden]

yeah with 100 armor

[tribal dragon]

who up fuckin around with quality mod btw

this run had no movement until stage 4 spur lol

[vapid dagger]

and if an enemy spawns in front of you it ends instantly

[blissful torrent]

it's probably my favourite primary in the game lol, definitely not the best but the one i enjoy the most

[errant marsh]

Mul T is giant in the HP department too

[vapid dagger]

he is yes

[unique hawk]

Fair

[molten hound]

based perchance?

[blissful torrent]

you know it 😎

[errant marsh]

His health is quite an underated asset he just eats stuff for breakfast

[vapid dagger]

but commando being tiny and nimble evens that out pretty well
and its not like you cant still build commando to be a tank too

[sonic tangle]

so ac there are still 7 whole survivors worse than mando left to cover

[blissful torrent]

well actually he's a robot so he doesn't need to eat

[tribal dragon]

probably a basic bitch choice but captain's shotgun is my favorite primary

we love launching wisps into orbit

[sonic tangle]

maybe not 7 but lets say 5 to keep mando in 'middle of the pack'

[errant marsh]

Rebar mul T can sprint in-between shots if you're a mega try hard

[sonic tangle]

i consistently forget how much knockback it does lol

[vapid dagger]

being able to dodge with a big hp pool is way more consistent than just having a giant hp pool

[blissful torrent]

captain's primary is pretty fun but then you play diablo captain once and it's basically your only ability for 90% of the run and it gets boring

[golden linden]

consistent how

[languid crystal]

diablo is so fun tho

orbital probes lame as hell

[sonic tangle]

orbital probes are lame but diablo has a 40s cooldown and i cant stomach it

[languid crystal]

the best primary in game is rex

[tribal dragon]

I only really rely on diablo for bosses or if I'm really lacking on damage items, shotgun is too fun to ignore

[sonic tangle]

the damage is overkill too

[vapid dagger]

consistent by the amount damage you have to mitigate being naturally lower

[languid crystal]

i can stomach