ror2-discussion

[primal nova]

Im on my second loop

Naur not for me its not

[primal nova]

Boutta be on my 3rd

[steady vector]

Uhhhh yes it is. Theres a newt altar guaranteed stage 1 iirc

Actually every stage

[primal nova]

Hmm im js unlucky then

And I dont think its guaranteed on first stages bc ik a couple of my runs I didnt find a newt altar 🤷🏼

[steady vector]

Uhhhh no. Not possible. It spawns the same way the portal does except it has like 4 places it could be

[primal nova]

Also the more strides of heresy u have the longer ur in shadowfade

[fresh idol]

well we don't even know how the f is the life of a normal human being in the ror universe

[warm basalt]

there is some places u cant get

[steady vector]

Okay yeah thats true

[primal nova]

Like I said im js unlucky 😭😭😭

[steady vector]

Titanic plains? Is that the one where you need flight or a really good movement option?

[warm basalt]

im more

[vapid dagger]

i love realistic bison steak that has an expiration time

[warm basalt]

and other one that has a bridge

[primal nova]

Every other run as a diff survivor i get aquaduct but the one time I try running engineer ion get it 🥀

[steady vector]

Turn off dlcs if you have any on

[fresh idol]

temporaryb items were a mistake

[ionic glacier]

genuinely whatNs the point of lunar items

[steady vector]

Some of em are broken

[warm basalt]

funny dmg number go up = cool

[steady vector]

is like contender for top 10 best items in the game

[ionic glacier]

i had such a good run oml, i had both items that give you an extra L1 and r1, i had the super drones, debuff immunity, everything

[fresh idol]

i think most of them were made so you can modify the main gameplay loop of most characters

[ionic glacier]

and i saw this thing called a shrine of order and i was like oh that's cool and i pressed it

[steady vector]

Yeah... dont

[fresh idol]

thats not a lunar item

[steady vector]

That has nothing to do with lunars

[ionic glacier]

i then instantly had 48 of the mushroom thing

like where u stand still

[steady vector]

Bungus?

[ionic glacier]

i think i don't know

i'm new i'm sorry 😭

[steady vector]

Yeah... shrine of order takes all your items of each rarity and turns em into a single stack of an item you have

[molten hound]

what is up my [PLACEHOLDERS]

[steady vector]

Ive never actually used one

[ionic glacier]

i didn't know

[fresh idol]

hello Ryan Gosling

[steady vector]

What's krakalakin home skillet

[ionic glacier]

i know now

[steady vector]

Its all good. But yeah unless your run is already shit, dont touch it

[ionic glacier]

that's so annoying omg everything surrounding lunar items is js a massive fuck you 😭

[steady vector]

Its not a lunar item...

[ionic glacier]

linar coins

[steady vector]

Oh

[molten hound]

linear coins

[ionic glacier]

like everything surrounding that evil ass currency is awful and horrible

[steady vector]

idk this is a pretty damn good item

[molten hound]

we have lunar coins
so what about solar notes

[fresh idol]

you will remain alone and cold

[ionic glacier]

my very first run when my bf was showing me the game i got this thing called egocentrism cuz i thought it was really cool

[steady vector]

and like all of these are really good too

[molten hound]

i love how consistant your hatred is

[ionic glacier]

i just want my artificer skins😭😭

[steady vector]

You're getting unlucky with stuff that fucks with your items, girl

[steady vector]

Real btw

[fresh idol]

substandard duplicator + tier 2 junk drone

[steady vector]

Oh, for future reference
this also fucks with your items

So if you dont like your ite- jeez

Tier 2 junk drone doing too much

[fresh idol]

it's so funny how temporary items don't look temporary on the end screen

this is a non looped run

[steady vector]

Ten

[fresh idol]

XD

[steady vector]

-# I miss those days

I see a sticky bomb printer and get ratatouille style flashbacks

[fresh idol]

i never played early access Risk of Rain

[ionic glacier]

wait i just got a "a celestial portal appesrs" at stage one on a new run

like without killing anything

[fresh idol]

celestial or blue portal?

[ionic glacier]

celestial

[steady vector]

Yeah that means you'll get access to lunar otem shop lmao

Oh celestial.

Uhhhhhhhhhh

I forget what that does

[fresh idol]

there is always a small chance of NEWT randomly dropping

i think Celestial is obliteration but i don't loop so i could be very wrong

[sage python]

it is

[warm basalt]

i got one on the stage 4 of ac

[steady vector]

Oooh early obliteration!

[ionic glacier]

no like i know what it does i just didn't know it could randomly appear like thay

[steady vector]

Me neither

[fresh idol]

well early obliteration should never happen

[fresh idol]

i think that's NEWT there's no way it isn't

[steady vector]

You on console?

[ionic glacier]

that's the shopkeeper right?

[fresh idol]

yes

[ionic glacier]

is he an enemy?

[steady vector]

Nope

[fresh idol]

no he is a friend

[warm basalt]

a void friend

[fresh idol]

lunar friend

[ionic glacier]

i see

[steady vector]

You can (try) to kill him though

[steady vector]

He has like a trillion health

[warm basalt]

you can

[ionic glacier]

also yes, playstation

i got the game like three days ago

[steady vector]

Ooooooh yeah then that might actually be obliteration. Console version is FUCKED

[ionic glacier]

SO ITS NOT JS ME

[warm basalt]

obliterate rn ( if u want

u can save some time

and get a new survivor

[ionic glacier]

whenever me and him play we crash like, after two hours

[steady vector]

If you're on monsoon, you get a skin

[ionic glacier]

it's so annoying

we literally live together it's not like it's a latency thing

[steady vector]

Think how I feel... I play on switch

Looping means my game will crash

[ionic glacier]

like he's 20 feet away and it still crashes all the time

it's so frustrating we have so many good runs that js die

[steady vector]

Yeah...

[ionic glacier]

i can't play monsoon solo yet i always die 😭

[steady vector]

If its anything like the switch version though, thunder gauntlet is better for some reason...

[fresh idol]

bruh there is no way CELESTINE IS OBLITERATION

[ionic glacier]

i have yet to get past the first tp

[fresh idol]

how the F DID THIS HAPPEN

[steady vector]

They're on console

[ionic glacier]

IDK😭

[fresh idol]

HOW IS CONSOLE THIS BUGGED

[steady vector]

Dawg you dont know the half of it

[fresh idol]

if you complete the teleporter event right now you can just win if you go through celestine

[steady vector]

Please beat the portal i wanna see this

[fresh idol]

just abuse Ion Surge. be away from the skies if it's Stone Titan because he will just laser you to death

if it's a squid be prepared to get out of range of the blast zone
and if it's a Beetle Queen just stay in the skies

[steady vector]

Cheese tf outta this

[ionic glacier]

😭😭

[ionic glacier]

i always get shot down i feel

[steady vector]

Oh also dont spam your main attack

[ionic glacier]

especially the blind pests and lesser wisps

[steady vector]

Tap it every half second or so

[ionic glacier]

they don't feel dodgeable

[fresh idol]

getting control of your vertical movement is like the best way to dodge attacks in this game

[steady vector]

Which is what arti does best

[blissful torrent]

ALSO REMEMBER YOU CAN SPRINT WHILE GLIDING

[steady vector]

Because... well she has a jetpack

[ionic glacier]

I LEARNED THIS YESTERDAY

[steady vector]

And you can sprint while charging your secondary

[ionic glacier]

idk how i didn't

like sooner

[fresh idol]

the only threats there are agaisnt you rn is stone titan lasering you to death in the skies and the squid boss exploding at you

[sacred elk]

Speed

[fresh idol]

if there are wisps literally just shoot them down with your regular m1

[sacred elk]

Revenge

[blissful torrent]

oh yea most charging skills can be sprinted during, you start charging then press the sprint key mid-charge

[ionic glacier]

what if i highkey suck at aiming

[fresh idol]

if too many wisps spawn there is gonna be a problem

[blissful torrent]

then highkey aim better 👍

[ionic glacier]

true

hashtag skill issue

[steady vector]

Secondary (the not ice version) is a wisp destroyer

If you manage to hit one

[blissful torrent]

yea nanobomb melts wisps

[fresh idol]

i feel like deactivating this option makes controling the jetpack to dodge better in the sky with Artificer

[ionic glacier]

i see

thank yo uso much for the help

[steady vector]

No problem

[blissful torrent]

real advice for aiming is genuinely just to practise more, arti has to lead her shots which can take a little bit to get used to

[molten hound]

what is up my [PLACEHOLDERS]

[steady vector]

What does this even do

[fresh idol]

holding the jump button to activate the jetpack and letting it go to deactivate

[steady vector]

Ew

[fresh idol]

if it's activated, you press to switch hover and falling down

[blissful torrent]

with it on hover is a toggle, with it off you hold the button to hover and it stops when you let go

[steady vector]

Actually on controller that might be nice

[blissful torrent]

i like it disabled because i feel like i have more control over it but it comes down to preference really

[fresh idol]

i feel like you get better control by holding bc you switch the states faster but it might just be preference

[fresh idol]

please update me i need to know if you will obliterate on stage 1

[steady vector]

Yes please do

[placid quail]

Why do switch users hate siphoned forest?

Because you drift on the ice

I’ll be here all day

[quiet tinsel]

Switches cant handle anything so ice physics results in like a nuke or sum idk

[fresh idol]

real

[placid quail]

The switch is held together with month old bubblegum

[fresh idol]

he got muted XDDDD

[placid quail]

I wonder what happened

[fresh idol]

i think it was just bc he was spamming his pfp randomly

i knew eventually this would happen

[placid quail]

Unless it was over and over again that seems a bit harsh

Maybe the image was too big

Tbh I thought it was charming

[fresh idol]

i'm fine how about you

[sage python]

i got my swag on

[fresh idol]

why did you just lose a godrun or something?

[sage python]

oh wassup matey? :(

[spare kettle]

finger on the ban button here

[spare saddle]

what did fox do???

[fresh idol]

the discrimination agaisnt the white names are really that necessary?

[spare kettle]

ban em all i say

if you aint got a role in the first 30 mins of joining the server ur OUT

[fresh idol]

where do i sign up

[spare saddle]

racist suncles?????

[flint vortex]

got a 95% on my driving quiz 🗣️

[spare saddle]

based

just to clarify the based was to the driving quiz

[livid idol]

Can we ban everyone besides fox? Fox is wholesome and has never done wrong

[fresh idol]

!randy

[spare saddle]

the pitchfork guy???

[vital escarp]

hey folinha

[golden linden]

!paul

[spiral oar]

Paul sucks

[fresh idol]

hello 𝙢𝙣𝙞𝙠𝙖

[vital escarp]

is there a tutorial on mindustry

[fresh idol]

no

i stopped playing bc of that aswell XDDDDDDDDD

[vital escarp]

uh

🥹

[spare saddle]

probably on YouTube

[fresh idol]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD twins

[vital escarp]

i didnt understood anything they said

[spare saddle]

oh

[golden linden]

tier 9 gunner drone clip

[sage python]

sorry to hear matey 🫂

[fresh idol]

i mean there must be but like after the game started spawning enemies with specific countering mechanics with no explanation or warning then i got really discouraged to keep going

[sage python]

you too 🧡

[floral goblet]

hey, hope you’re not too hurt, you’ll meet new people, I hope

[livid idol]

I think the only person that i know plays mindustry is goobessa

[vital escarp]

the same thing happened to me

i thought they were like giving resources(????)

idk didnt understood anything

[fresh idol]

yeaaaaaah they suck the health out of your buildings looks like

[upper wing]

bro everything feels so surreal

[fresh idol]

why. did you take drugs?

[upper wing]

tomorrow is my last day of high school (except for an AP test that im taking monday)

shit is bonkers man

time flies

[fresh idol]

an ending is just new beginnings

nice Nilzer

[sage python]

in 1000 years you will be 1017 isnt that crazy

[spare saddle]

time to get a j*b

[fresh idol]

thank you for censor

[upper wing]

i already have one i think

[sage python]

imagine the beard you could grow in that time

[fresh idol]

you think?

[spare saddle]

fuck you mean you think?'

[upper wing]

money is cool when i have it

[sage python]

pyramid scheme /j

[upper wing]

im pretty sure i got it, i just need to fill out some stuff

[fresh idol]

XDDDDDDDDD

[spare saddle]

based

[golden linden]

piramid scheme, base 3

[upper wing]

he’s back

[fresh idol]

ain't no way

looks very sus

[upper wing]

he’s asking me if im on tiktok lol

[sage python]

yeah thats defo a scam

[upper wing]

i wanna see where this goes

im not gonna drop a dime on this

[sage python]

yea gotcha

[upper wing]

this could be funny

[sage python]

ive had week long back and forths before

[upper wing]

this guy’s grammar is kinda horrible and all over the place

[fresh idol]

wha

[upper wing]

what if its genuinely just some random dude who wants to help 😭

[fresh idol]

i always get this feeling when i find a new mod that looks interesting

[spare saddle]

nuke him from orbit just to be sure

[sage python]

its cool

give it a shot

[upper wing]

uh

[sage python]

lol??

[upper wing]

dude he sent me vr chat avatars

[fresh idol]

it's like very specific. like i'm not really into playing this game a lot of the times, but whenever this happens i love the feeling of getting an excuse to start a run that might have 1% thing that is different

[fresh idol]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[sage python]

why 3 different carrds lol

[upper wing]

i wanted a crafting mod

[sage python]

RAPTOR SOLDIER

[upper wing]

lmao

[sage python]

HJELL YES

[eternal laurel]

Has anyone made survivor miis in tomolife 2 yet

[golden linden]

someone did provi and michael

[upper wing]

HE JUST SENT ME THIS LMAO

[spare saddle]

wow acrid sure is cool

[upper wing]

is this raptor soldier???

[golden linden]

ah yes, the instagram qr code red laser scroll

[upper wing]

pffft

[sage python]

AWESOME??????

[vital escarp]

what is this

[upper wing]

this dude started messaging me about a mod idea i had

i asked him what type of stuff he made and he sent that

scroll up a lil for the full thing

[vital escarp]

low quality rupert

[spare saddle]

nah thats his brother purert

[vital escarp]

pubert

[golden linden]

balatro balatrez

[vital escarp]

is playing balatro

[golden linden]

true

[upper wing]

gotta keep it real with em

[vital escarp]

spiderman goated tho

[upper wing]

true!

is this tuff?

[golden linden]

yup

[cloud topaz]

i have a feeling gearbox has a bug in my house that is gonna tell them the instant i finish gold e8 so they can suprise release hallowed concepts so i have to do 16 more runs on the new survivors

[vital escarp]

truly

[obtuse tartan]

thats spider tuff

[echo idol]

orphaned core

[flint vortex]

at least they arent an only child ✌️😭

[cloud topaz]

mending one there for emotional support

[bronze notch]

i read this as severe probe

[obtuse tartan]

YOU killed their mom

youre problematic

[robust plume]

get your ass back to risk of rain returns!!! we getting severely probed in this bitch!!!

[flint vortex]

anyone wanna carry me to getting rex?

[obtuse tartan]

you dont have rex?

[flint vortex]

no

[obtuse tartan]

cant you just pick mult and use retool

oh wait

[echo idol]

in multiplayer

[robust plume]

tbf the battery thing fucking blows

[obtuse tartan]

only works in coop yea i forgot for a second

[echo idol]

only at half hp!

[flint vortex]

yeah but i dont like playing mult

[robust plume]

i never fucking thought of that

[robust plume]

thats the problem lmao

[echo idol]

didnt catch my cool pun #fuckmychudlife

[obtuse tartan]

theres always a solution to getting to half hp and its called playing false son

[robust plume]

theres always a solution to getting to halp hp and its called never getting hit

[obtuse tartan]

only drizzlecels would say that

[robust plume]

never call me that again

[obtuse tartan]

real risk of rain 2 gamers take damage and LIKE IT.

[flint vortex]

mmm gatekeeping (i cant tell if this is a joke or a real belief)

[echo idol]

oh well there goes the run

[fresh idol]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[obtuse tartan]

hey what happened to six seven folhinha

did you rebrand

[flint vortex]

DEATH BE UPON THEE

[obtuse tartan]

implying i was the one who made the joke in the first place

[fresh idol]

fym rebrand 57 was always my main name

[flint vortex]

yeah

it used to be 57 stab wounds

[obtuse tartan]

ok but you changed for quite a while

[fresh idol]

it was like 4 days?

[obtuse tartan]

i dont think it was

[spare saddle]

nuh uh it used the be 67

[golden linden]

it was up for 6 to 7 days give or take

[echo idol]

Ty temp items

[flint vortex]

i DESPISE wandering vagrant

(melee connoisseur btw)

[spare saddle]

skill issue

[fresh idol]

what is that mod that makes enemies have like smart scaling or something
i never tested it but the mod said that they changed the way the enemies work and what stats they would excel at by how the player plays the game

[spare saddle]

the shake??

[fresh idol]

not really

Risk of Rain 2 and Deadcells are completely wrong

i played Going Under some years ago it was fun

[fresh idol]

i found it

[spare kettle]

this exact chart but the scale is good to overrated 🙂

[flint vortex]

whats the artifact of geometry dash cube over there

[fresh idol]

Isaac so high makes me disagree with that

[fresh idol]

honor

[spare kettle]

issac was good when it came out

[golden linden]

dead cells needs 0 luck

[spare saddle]

still is

[fresh idol]

🤔

what do you think ruined it then

[spare kettle]

nothin it just got outclassed over time

i still play it every so often, its fun

[spare saddle]

its un

[old python]

Alot.

[golden linden]

spelunky honestly requires more luck than isaac lol

[old python]

I don't think Isaac is completely luck tho.

[golden linden]

I don't either

but it's hard because there are so many characters there with different necessities

[fresh idol]

well it's a bullet hell game so ofc it can't be very luck based just dodge the bullets

[golden linden]

it's not really a case of of course

[old python]

Deadcells with the base game is more luck based than ror2.. but if fragless then it's completely skill.

[golden linden]

because enemies scale and bosses get progressively more hp

[old python]

Or just between both tiers.

Also what's the point of completely skill or luck.. what game is either??

[golden linden]

coin flip simulator

[old python]

Is nuclear throne completely luck?

[golden linden]

no, but there is a luck element

[old python]

Well that's in all of them.. but there's also skill required.

[golden linden]

I think a fairer chart would be how much luck affects your run

[old python]

This whole picture is stupid.

[old python]

Yea.

[golden linden]

risk of rain doesn't have anything like say, brimstone

[fresh idol]

yeah this is the right way to judge

[spare saddle]

false son charge laser

[echo idol]

unfortunately expected but it would seem that double fathomless does not function

[golden linden]

and there are a lot of things like brimstone in isaac

[flint vortex]

is there a way to get to planetarium other than the frog

[golden linden]

through void locus

which is through void fields

or getting the void locus portal while looping

[echo idol]

foid vields

[flint vortex]

oh

does the purple portal that sometimes just shows up on stages post-loop just take you to vields?

[quasi lance]

Just died to hunters harpoon because i didnt find any scrappers after i picked it up 🥳 🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉

[vapid dagger]

good run

[terse sedge]

Maybe

[fresh idol]

video of Suncles saying dying to Hunters Harpoon is a skill issue

[quasi lance]

I PICKED IT UP ON ACCIDENT 😭

[vapid dagger]

yes but only partially
ror2 is just as much skill as it is luck and skill can completely overshadow bad luck on top of that

[flint vortex]

video of me saying dying to wax quail is a skill issue (how does one do it)

[echo idol]

thx dio

[quasi lance]

Wail is actually a skill issue, i was on commando and slid when harpoon went off from my aoe and im falling off a clif

Harpoon sucks so bad istg

[flint vortex]

literally if you manage to die to the WAX quail itself, in the flesh, you deserve it

[vapid dagger]

ngl
i think the same thing

[quasi lance]

I tried not to pick it up but i had to for an equipment from the same chance shrine

[golden linden]

no it takes you to void locus

[vapid dagger]

ive actually started liking harpoon believe it or not

[quasi lance]

WRONG!!1!1!!1

[flint vortex]

its probably not too hard to do void fields on drifter right

[vapid dagger]

the better i get at movement overall the more useful it feels

[quasi lance]

It just screws up anyone with scaling utilities like commando

It makes you overshoot

[vapid dagger]

i play commando with it

[quasi lance]

Why do you torture yourself

Evil harpoon vs kind and gleeful faraday spur

[vapid dagger]

faraday spur is an item ive only grown to hate

[quasi lance]

I love spur so much jumping is not a requirement

[vapid dagger]

i love jumping so much moving fast is not a requirement

[flint vortex]

vs the joyous and whimsical wax quail

[vapid dagger]

wax quail is amazing

definitely the best of the green speed items

[quasi lance]

If commando and no spur: jump
If commando and yes spur: CS2 slide on any slightly elevated object

[terse fossil]

Captain time
Just as I finished a captain run in multiplayer

[quasi lance]

Quail is alright

[terse fossil]

Hopoo feather owns all green items

[golden linden]

craptain

[flint vortex]

but like who is playing mando in the big 26

[quasi lance]

Just feels like the first stack doesnt do too much

[vapid dagger]

feather is one of the best items in the game yeah

[flint vortex]

merc has built in feather btw

[golden linden]

poopoo feather

[quasi lance]

I like feather better than spur but they dont synergize

[terse fossil]

I mean captain is kinda boring without movement but having a nuke and a free purchase every stage kinda make up for it

Gearbox please give my guy a better M2 tho

[golden linden]

i don't dislike him at all

[fresh idol]

i died once from having like 6 wax quails on Mithrix

[terse fossil]

Which is why Merc is goated

[fresh idol]

pizza obliterated me

[flint vortex]

they actually like reverse synergize, making each other worse

[vapid dagger]

feather is so good that i intentionally take mobility skills that have more verticality so that i can function without it better

[golden linden]

OH YEAH I did a pizza deletion clip

[terse fossil]

i thought he was boring but i played him in multiplayer and nuking shit is funny

[terse fossil]

wait can you still remove pizza with a blast shower?

[flint vortex]

if i can survive mithrix on 100 wax quails you can do it with 6

[vapid dagger]

bc a double jump is that much of a game changer

[fresh idol]

well it was always good

it's like pretty good for looped runs but since i go for Mithrix it's useless in my book

[vapid dagger]

not quite good but definitely useful

[quasi lance]

Pizza is easy unless you have too much movement i dont understand the hate

[raw silo]

500 harpoons and one forgive me please car form MUL-T
vs
mithrix

[vapid dagger]

should definitely last twice as long as it does per stack now

1 second just isnt really enough time for the average player to take proper advantage of the 2x speed boost

[quasi lance]

Mithrix cant deal with any verticality, like spur + commando slide

[golden linden]

they call me the pizza muncher

[quasi lance]

I really wouldnt mind if harpoon was just like a chrancion but speed

[vapid dagger]

i have never seen spur be more useful for vertical movement than quail is for speed

[quasi lance]

Spur + commando slide on the moon lets you pillar skip with one item

And lets you stay in the air for mithrix

[golden linden]

i have used the jump a lot recently for verticality

feels like the charged jump from super mario bros 2

doki doki panic pros mais chegados

[vapid dagger]

i use the jump more for aggressive damage to avoid dealing with the aftermath of the speed suddenly disappearing

[terse fossil]

honestly i underrated captain he's the only survivor that lacks any movement abilities that i still consider fun

[quasi lance]

I use the jump to kill every small enemy near me

[terse fossil]

cuz free gambling + nuke

[quasi lance]

Btw the area that spur has is actually just double the shown range

[terse fossil]

wait how? the microbots can do that?????/

[golden linden]

yes

[quasi lance]

Game changer for spur enthusiasts

[terse fossil]

yeah i treated the old fella WAY too harshly

[vapid dagger]

it is when fully charged

[terse fossil]

i own up to my mistake captain might be actually the goat

[vapid dagger]

when only partially charged its accurate

[golden linden]

the circle grows in size as you charge it

does it really not match visuals?

[vapid dagger]

yes

the visual grows at half the rate of the actual blast size

[terse fossil]

okay maybe not better in terms of gameplay than my top4 survivors at the very least but imo he's a cool character when it comes to his lore and stuff

[vapid dagger]

probably bc someone didnt understand the difference between a diameter and a radius and used the same number for both

[quasi lance]

Spur my beloved i love +130% movement speed and +200% jump power

[flint vortex]

radius is RAD

[quasi lance]

Jump power also makes you take less fall damage 🤓

[golden linden]

isn't rad used from radians

[vapid dagger]

i love taking fall damage for jumping!

[flint vortex]

yk who else doesnt take fall damage?

[vapid dagger]

and losing all my speed

[golden linden]

that is a totally different thing from radius

[quasi lance]

Just dont jump

[vapid dagger]

for doing an extremely normal thing

jumping is one of the most effective methods for avoiding damage

[quasi lance]

Just CS2 knifeslide off of any slightly slanted platform

[flint vortex]

my cat tryna steal my mandarin oranges

[vapid dagger]

why would i do that when i can push a button at the right time and not have to move at all?

[quasi lance]

Cause its cool! And you dont lose speed! And i like knifesliding!

[vapid dagger]

i also dont lose speed for not using spur

[quasi lance]

You lose potential speed

[vapid dagger]

theres really only so fast i need to go

[quasi lance]

Its right there

[vapid dagger]

i dont need to move mach 20
10 meters per second is plenty fast enough to make good time

[quasi lance]

Spur gives just enough speed to hit that good range

If you dont have any hooves

Which isnt uncommon

[sick phoenix]

Hi 🙂

[vapid dagger]

it also makes it precarious bc you WILL have to jump or waste extra time and effort taking unreasonable routes around the stage for no reason

[flint vortex]

spur makes melee survivors easier, and ranged survivors just that little bit harder

[quasi lance]

Once you have a few other speed items scrapping it and jumping more often is fine but i like hitting a slight slope and crossing half the stage its very fun

[sick phoenix]

[golden linden]

yeah not true at all

[quasi lance]

I dont find it to negatively affect any survivor but mercenary

[flint vortex]

ok yeah

[golden linden]

it mismatches visuals on the same cadency

[flint vortex]

when i say "makes ranged survivors a little worse" i mean if you have skill issue

[vapid dagger]

interesting

[quasi lance]

Merc is different tho hes got speed and needs to stay near enemies and not 20 miles up

Huh, i just got that from the wiki

[vapid dagger]

spur makes everything worse for me

[quasi lance]

Rare instance of wiki being wrong

Or at least, the community one

[vapid dagger]

its just too much and too inconsistent

[quasi lance]

Fandom sucks!!!

[golden linden]

it may be the same on wiki.gg

[quasi lance]

This is wiki.gg

[golden linden]

well

[vapid dagger]

tell them to fix their shit

[quasi lance]

Fandom is wrong very often

Wiki.gg is a lot better and actually fixes mistakes

[flint vortex]

yeah can we just kill fandom

the battle cats fandom page is bad but the other one is GREAT

[quasi lance]

I give express permission

[golden linden]

funny thing

faraday spurs doesn't charge faster if I speed up the game

it's frame rate dependant like the wiki says lol

[quasi lance]

Speed up fps or the game

[golden linden]

the game

[quasi lance]

Oh yeah it is

[flint vortex]

700 fps

[quasi lance]

5 BILLION FPS

[summer isle]

well doesnt that just instill fear

[quasi lance]

Goddam

Better than empyrean jailers

What if mithrix was empyrean

[golden linden]

100 faraday spurs hitbox size at 100%

[iron heath]

achoo

[quasi lance]

Oops, accidentally hit jump...

[terse fossil]

btw does anoyone know how to get to the specific stage you want with debug toolkit

[golden linden]

next_stage [stage name]

[terse fossil]

thanks

[polar cobalt]

question, who are u supposed to give the exposed cerebellum to?

crafted an item called exposed cerebellum at the chef thingy and it says u have to give it to a powerfull entity or smt

[terse fossil]

go near spex

there's an orb where you can put it

[polar cobalt]

who's that?

oh

alr

[terse fossil]

and how does one stop enemies from spawning?

[golden linden]

no_enemies

kill_all to get rid of the ones that spawned

[sage python]

you can list_stage to see stage names

[polar cobalt]

what's the dif if i put smt else in there?

[terse fossil]

yeah i found that

[terse fossil]

you won't get sent to the boss

[polar cobalt]

oh dam

he 2 shotted me with the beam thing ;-;

[old python]

Guys who do I play?

[coarse merlin]

John Rain

[old python]

Who's that?

[terse fossil]

mercenary

absolute peak of my drawing skills 💀

[warped river]

All of my nights, I'm chasing rats

[languid crystal]

bandit

[undone gorge]

Acrid

[terse fossil]

actually nvm play bandit

[fresh idol]

hmmmm

woah

[livid idol]

Mmmm leeching seed printer

[echo idol]

Amalgamator genuinely frying my shit when he does his stupid surge attack against three drones so the ukuleles lwk wipe me off the face of the earth

[sacred elk]

what would you do if they nerfed laser of the father and buffed laser burst again

[echo idol]

balanced as all things should be

[livid idol]

😭

I wonder if we'll ever get a mod to fix lotf

[echo idol]

There already is

[livid idol]

There is and I never knew???

[golden linden]

doesn't jefdev one does it

[fresh idol]

now the question is what type of pearl will it turn into you shitass game

[echo idol]

theres been

[livid idol]

That's awesome

[echo idol]

Jeffdev and theres another one iirc

[livid idol]

There are so many mods I don't know everything

[echo idol]

Im gonna try the routes in a sec

[vernal heath]

Sacrifice, swarms, command, drizzle
Now we're getting risky...

[fresh idol]

drizzlecel

[vernal heath]

Funpilled drizzlecel vs. Stresspilled monsooncel

I am actually playing on monsoon with zero artifacts but I am playing Loader so it's basically drizzle

[echo idol]

funpill vs stresspill

2 dolar vs 1 dolar

[fresh idol]

THE ROUTES MOD HAS A SURVEY

awesome

[vernal heath]

Speaking of mods, I've basically only played vanilla RoR2, any mod suggestions?

[fresh idol]

the better mods are character mods imo

[echo idol]

wolfo qol enemiesspawnfaster and fathomless voidling

propersave

[fresh idol]

Rocket, Enforcer, Arsonist

please try rocket

[vernal heath]

Enforcer like RoRR?

[fresh idol]

yes

the Enforcer mod adds the og Enforcer and Nemesis Enforcer too that has a minigun

ain't no way Sonorous stage 2

[old python]

Awesome start.

[echo idol]

what

[old python]

Also dw ive went back to full screen.

[echo idol]

routes came with an artifact

[fresh idol]

wtf is that amount of items

was everything literally chance shrines?

[old python]

Nope, infact there was not a single shrine of chance.

[fresh idol]

the routes mod doesn't allow you to craft reds with the chef

i thought i got a Sale Star as the last item on the stage but fortunately there was an invisible chest

[opaque tapir]

Rip recycler

[fresh idol]

no thanks bro

[opaque tapir]

Is more drones spawning even a positive, it is just less credits towards items

[mortal tartan]

That's a negative? Halved max health usually means everything just dies.

[candid burrow]

Y’all have any advice to defeat FS with acrid and merc?
They’re the only 2 I need the skins for

[fresh idol]

absolutely

[opaque tapir]

Quality items

[fresh idol]

drones got giga buffed in AC update

TC is just a free win now

[opaque tapir]

Valid

[upper wing]

have you seen a t2 tc280

[opaque tapir]

Yeah

[fresh idol]

not yet

[mortal tartan]

With acrid, make sure to make use of your poison's really powerful damage over time effects.

Merc? Basically get gud tbh, but don't be afraid to make distance when you can't upkeep the assault safely for longer.

[fresh idol]

oh the extra drones is forced

[upper wing]

its obviously quite rare but holy SHIT it just cuts through the game like butter

[opaque tapir]

I got really lucky and got Tc on rallypoint, then I went to solutional haunt

[upper wing]

i would say something that rare deserves to be busted but its kind of absurd

[mortal tartan]

Drones can sadly still get absolutely fucked by void enemies deciding that black holes are in vogue in normal stages, but besides that, yeah drones are fantastic now.

[opaque tapir]

Does tier 3 exist?

[upper wing]

theoretically yeah

[opaque tapir]

I have an objective

[fresh idol]

just don't get near them

[upper wing]

youd just need… 4 tc280s lmao

[opaque tapir]

The objective might be slightly difficult, but I am unemployed so it's fine

[upper wing]

just get lucky bro

[opaque tapir]

Should I use captain for the hacking beacon?

[upper wing]

its easy, i do it all the time

[upper wing]

if you want sure

[opaque tapir]

Microbots can also keep the drones alive ig

[fresh idol]

so fuckin garbage

[upper wing]

woohoo! poop!

[mortal tartan]

Replace that "ig" with "definitely", because every drone gets the FULL effect of microbots.

So you end up with basically being invulnerable to projectiles because your drone swarm just erases them the second they get in range.

[languid crystal]

agreed

everything else is a plus but the survivor mods add the most content and my favorite

[fresh idol]

i should have got that tricorn from the adaptive chest

[languid crystal]

looks like everyones playing this mod but doesnt seem like i’d like this type of this mod

[fresh idol]

i test stuff a lot before getting a veredict

for example i think i was the person who made the Quality mod popularize in this chat bc i was doing some runs but i ended up not liking it]

[mortal tartan]

Wait why wouldn't you want tricorn basically always? It's a free boss item and free boss fight.

[fresh idol]

it's my first run so i don't have anything to say yet

[fresh idol]

ATG and watch existing

[upper wing]

quality is big because race is behind it

[languid crystal]

is this actually true or are u just taking credit

[golden linden]

no

[languid crystal]

quality has been popular on yt as well

[golden linden]

lol

[mortal tartan]

You can get those much more frequently than you can find boss items or a freaking tricorn.

[fresh idol]

idk but i remember being like the first

[sage python]

has anyone else made any videos on it

[fresh idol]

i had a Sale Star

[mortal tartan]

Multiple tricorns!? Damn, that's insane.

[golden linden]

raydans did it, trento did it

the panda guy been doing it

[mortal tartan]

That'd be one tricorn for current stage and one for the next stage, that's two boss items!

[old python]

Any lategame places with garunteed cleansing pools?

[fresh idol]

true but i just don't work like that

[golden linden]

no guarantees for pools

[fresh idol]

like i don't really care about instakilling a boss and i neither wanted to pray for RNG gods to get me a good boss in the future

[echo idol]

i think quality got popular because popular youtuber made it

[mortal tartan]

Just replace anything tot he left of "work" and the sentence makes a lot more sense.

[old python]

What's my best bet?

[sage python]

quality is aight but its kinda the opposite of what id want from the game

[golden linden]

the stages that have it

[sage python]

the execution seems pretty good from what ive played tho

[fresh idol]

people would have played the mod either way but i remember being the first testing it

[echo idol]

quality isnt something id always play with but its a fun in and out thing

[golden linden]

it's also very well made

[sacred elk]

I got Burger King

[sage python]

ya

i sometimes play it mp with people

[mortal tartan]

There's basically no yellow item that's bad, at worst you just get two kinda meh yellow items that aren't massive helps but you still save a bit on time, plus you can save the second tricorn for a boss with a half-decent boss item too.

[old python]

Should've went to the wiki first then.

[golden linden]

yup

[mortal tartan]

Unless you're absolutely relying on a specific useable item to survive, tricorn's pretty much always a big boost just because of the guaranteed yellow.

[fresh idol]

i don't really like praying to RNG

if i get a bad yellow it hurts me psychologically

[mortal tartan]

Also if you're going the collective route, the alloy vulture boss is vulnerable to the tricorn too.

[mortal tartan]

Tricorn's one of the biggest anti-rng items in the game though, you can just decide what boss to use it on for their item.

[robust plume]

isn´t titanic knurl only like marginally helpful

[mortal tartan]

It's a bigger prayer to NOT pick it imo.

[golden linden]

it's a half perma slug

[fresh idol]

i got a lot of runs where i was carrying a tricorn from stage 2 to commencement without using it

[mortal tartan]

I meant bad as in disruptive to gameplay.

[robust plume]

last i checked it wasn´t that much

[fresh idol]

looks like i just get lucky either way

[mortal tartan]

Sounds like you're too hard on the picky side then tbh, you NEED to be able to look at a boss and go "yeah that item's good enough".

[golden linden]

it's not much, but depending on where you put slug as a good value healing item

it's something

[fresh idol]

yeah i am very picky

[golden linden]

my gripe with it is that knurl has nothing to do with stone titan

big stone titan laser shooting rock fisting boulder chucking

[robust plume]

we love shatterspleen

[golden linden]

have a little regen, friend

[fresh idol]

should give armor

[golden linden]

perfect candidate for being the game's yellow equipment

having you spawn the rock energy thing above your head

[fresh idol]

WHATTTTTTTTTTTTT

HOLY SHIT THIS PORTAL IS GOATED

[sage python]

i accidentally went through a portal that gave enemies 5 mocha

[fresh idol]

IT GIVES ME FOCUSED CONVERGENCE THAT TURNS INTO PEARL NEXT

[echo idol]

yeah just got that one

[fresh idol]

[echo idol]

cool so far but ever so slightly strong

👁️

[sage python]

also inherited shrine of the mountain

and i greeded and went for the access node too

teleporter was.... fun

[fresh idol]

yeah nah

[sage python]

worth...

[fresh idol]

drone upgrades + free pearl better

[languid crystal]

risk of route is i might try but its not what im looking for

[fresh idol]

why didn't my sale star regen

[languid crystal]

so the soxth portal takes u to commencement? @fresh idol

[fresh idol]

no

guys important detail about the mod

propersave kills all the negatives and positives from the stage

[fresh idol]

wait it does yes

[fresh idol]

this killed my vibe so hard

[golden linden]

stuff like this is the common for recently released mods

[north jungle]

huh what?

[fresh idol]

routes mod

[vernal heath]

SOTS would be my favorite DLC if the children weren't hitting me for a pitiful 2 thirds of my health pool with each attack

[golden linden]

gonna try the simulacrum mod again

[north jungle]

oh shit whats that

[golden linden]

but on e8

it was still a tad too easy for me liking

[north jungle]

how does that work?

[fresh idol]

scroll up for a bit and keep looking at the images

[golden linden]

eclipse artifacts

[north jungle]

so is it just… super evolution?

[fresh idol]

what's evolution

[golden linden]

the artifact that gives enemies an item every stage

[fresh idol]

it's not evolution

[north jungle]

i did call it super evolution

[fresh idol]

yeah it isn't

[north jungle]

anyway what if uh

crackpipe lunar equipment

[golden linden]

still funny

[north jungle]

how many on visnd

[vernal heath]

Are these all by EnforcerGang?

[fresh idol]

i don't think Arsonist is

[vernal heath]

Ah yeah that ones PopcornFactory

[sage python]

@plain narwhal please remove half of captain's kit in simulacrum

[fresh idol]

Ravager is pretty cool

[sage python]

hey i know them !!

[languid crystal]

im js curious cuz idk how to reach mithrix thru those portals

i dont see it in mod description

[languid crystal]

hes lwk unbalanced

but fun as hell

[golden linden]

awesome

[fresh idol]

my guess is just use the teleporter from the stage 5 and not the other portals

[languid crystal]

ah so in this mod u can still use teleporters as normal?

[north jungle]

enforcer is a bit strong

little crusty since it was enforcer gangs first survivor mod

[fresh idol]

??????????????

[north jungle]

i think the shield is a bit silly

[fresh idol]

well it's in character for him to use a shield

[fresh idol]

bruh

[north jungle]

he’s not even facing the laser 😭

[languid crystal]

hes lame in rorr

[north jungle]

you take that back

[coarse merlin]

They gotta tune it up/down to be like the shield in Hades

[north jungle]

no that would be a bad idea

[fresh idol]

who

[north jungle]

because… it already does what?

[coarse merlin]

They call him the unelaborator, he hates elaborating on his opinions

[north jungle]

what do you mean tune it to be like the shield from hades

[languid crystal]

no hes lame

[echo idol]

okay

[sage python]

@dull pendant

[coarse merlin]

The shield from Hades is an example of a weapon in a rougelike that has the ability to block all damage, but it's done in such a way that it does not feel grossly overpowered

[fresh idol]

oh

[north jungle]

okay now answer my question

[echo idol]

yummers

[north jungle]

because you didn’t? you just didn’t answer my question

you just talked about how good the shield was

[coarse merlin]

No before that you said it was a bad idea, implying that you knew what I meant

[north jungle]

you didn’t talk about what exactly “tuning it” for enforcer to bd like it

[north jungle]

because then i got confused

[coarse merlin]

Ok ok start from scratch

[north jungle]

because i have no fucking clue what you mean

[coarse merlin]

"they should make enforcers shield more like the shield in Hades"

[north jungle]

HOW exactly

because both already block all damage when blocking

[coarse merlin]

Glad you asked! The shield in Hades can only block all damage from the front, and you are forced to hold still while using it

I think something similar could be useful to balance enforcer's kit

[north jungle]

1. enforcer does block all damage in the front

2. it slows you down

[coarse merlin]

The video does not represent that very well

Point 1 I mean

[north jungle]

i just don’t think the shield concept is going to wirk

in risk of rains 3d space

[coarse merlin]

That's a reasonable assumption

[vernal heath]

Solus Wing deserves this because that laser ALWAYS kills me inside a coolant vent but I'd much rather watch it burn itself alive over destroy the heat vents

[north jungle]

like basically if you know anything about tf2

[fresh idol]

it dropped nothing

[north jungle]

and the jank that comes from having a backstab mechanic

either is going to feel unsatisfying and block not enough

[vernal heath]

Deserved because you're on Railgunner let's be honest

[coarse merlin]

I would not call ror2 the most pristine, jank free experience
But I see what you mean

[fresh idol]

said the Loader role

[north jungle]

that.. wasn’t what i was saying

[vernal heath]

Loaders grapple is mad fun you can't even lie

[fresh idol]

why isn't items coming out

[echo idol]

ladies ladies lets settle this with dinner at my place

[north jungle]

im just saying fundamentally

[north jungle]

it just doesn’t work in 3d

[fresh idol]

we are literal opposites

[robust plume]

i agree, the other boss items are at least taken from the movesets of the boss for the vast majority

[sage python]

imo it could work

[fresh idol]

i hate Loader, Commando is my fav character

[vernal heath]

I love Loader, Commando is my most mid liked character

[north jungle]

i think it would be more worth it to just have a different defense related mechanic

[vernal heath]

My favorite is probably Chef though, just because he looks funny

[robust plume]

i think all the survivors in this game are pretty fun to play, though i can´t speak on rex as i have never actually given him a chance

again the self damage thing is intimidating

[north jungle]

he’s pretty fun but 2 things to note

[fresh idol]

why is everyone screaming so much that HAND is dead and that they want him back?he's right here

[north jungle]

1. its a percentage of his CURRENT hp

not his MAX hp

[robust plume]

oh thank god

[north jungle]

also its reduced by armor

which rexs starts with

[robust plume]

kay that´s actually pretty good to know

[echo idol]

i fear swarms is an experience ive been missing out on

sheart is fucking awesome with swarms

[robust plume]

i´ll look out for damage reduction

[north jungle]

also funny

self damage doesn’t work with roll of pennies

but it does work with brittle crown

[robust plume]

of course it doesn´t it´d break the game

[vernal heath]

I think most of the survivors are pretty alright but I'm not a huge fan of Rex's playstyle and I find a lot of the DLC characters (particularly Viend, Seeker, and FS) REALLY boring solely because of just how unfathomably strong they are compared to everyone else
Like Loader is strong, she can one shot bosses with the right items, but at least her grapple is fun
False Son makes Loader look like an ant with cancer and Seeker makes False Son look like a baby with no limbs

[robust plume]

yeahh

[fresh idol]

Commando is just the only character i like playing consistenly

[north jungle]

brittle crown working on self damage is diabolical

[robust plume]

like i was fine with railgunner being as strong as she was because of the playstyle she requires and the drawback of her frailty

[sacred elk]

Brittle crown working is diabolical

[robust plume]

void fiend was very fun

[vernal heath]

I think Commando is quite nice to play but he does feel somewhat weak on occasion
His monsoon skin is pretty cool though, big fan of it

[robust plume]

and hey, Chef turned out to be the most balanced out of all the dlc survivors. Feels like the little guy should´ve been here all along

[north jungle]

nooo no he is not

he is NOT

[vernal heath]

I feel Operator is more balanced than Chef

[robust plume]

operator is fucking busted dawg

[vernal heath]

The DLC survivors aren't really balanced though, like the worst DLC survivor rn is still better than almost every base game survivor

[vernal heath]

And Chef isn't?

[languid crystal]

operator is strong but hes not busted like loader

[echo idol]

them sharing the same laser order instead of stacking on eachother is so fun

[languid crystal]

chef is NOT busted he is balanced.

[echo idol]

Wjat the fuck is happening

[north jungle]

@robust plume no chef has shit like this

the problem here is his base special and alt special have a VAST disparity in power

[languid crystal]

nah chef is balanced

[robust plume]

i will agree that Yes Chef is nutty

but chef is very good but he´s not overpowered in any aspect imo. pretty good all around with no glaring flaws.

[vapid dagger]

engineer beats all but 2 of them

[languid crystal]

loader railgunner seeker and false son are busted not chef

[north jungle]

no boosted cleavers are overpowered

what the fuck are you talking about

[vapid dagger]

loader and railgunner are not that busted

[robust plume]

i think operator is really high up there and drifter is right above him, they´re both super powerful, but i can stand it because those two are so incredibly unique and fun to use

[vapid dagger]

seeker and false son are that busted
engineer is that busted too

[north jungle]

do you not understand how powerful a 2.25 proc coefficient is

[sonic tangle]

'hmm what two words start with a and c how about awesome charcoal'

[golden linden]

well would you look at that

[sonic tangle]

how many cleavers are thrown here

[north jungle]

16

[echo idol]

operator is fine

[sonic tangle]

ok so 16x400% with a 2.25 coeff

[echo idol]

operator and railgunner are like. the dlc guys that are fine balance wise

[wise hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/ror2-risk-of-rain-risk-of-rain-2-mithrix-providence-gif-18396366676744609637

[echo idol]

chef being "fine" gets thrown out the window the second you unlock alt special

[robust plume]

okay now that´s cap. Railgunner has the most damage potential in the game and optional access to freeze, and loader has the only damage that can come close to competing with her along with the best mobility in the game no contest and her passive just ignores a whole ass eclipse modifier

[vapid dagger]

isnt it potentially 32? since they hit twice?

[north jungle]

i believe so

[sonic tangle]

oh god youre right

[echo idol]

"bro operator does so much damage" hes also sharing the same bulk as huntress and people fucking hate how frail she is

[vapid dagger]

loader's damage output is wildly overestimated

[sonic tangle]

and this can be done however x many seconds yes chefs cooldown is

[vapid dagger]

and railgunner still has limits to her output

[robust plume]

oh i hadn´t considered just how many cleavers he throws

[north jungle]

10 btw

[vernal heath]

False Son and Seeker are very balanced
I did say almost every though, since Loader and Engi are very strong

[north jungle]

16 and they hit twice and there’s some camera trickery you can do to land more of them

[robust plume]

as far as im aware railgunner´s limit to her output is the game´s limit to possible damage output

[echo idol]

😂 😂 😂

[flint vortex]

five hundred shaped glass

[echo idol]

exact same bulk

[vapid dagger]

false son and seeker are the 2 strongest survivors in the game

[iron palm]

Saying engineer is stronger than loader is still wild

[north jungle]

you had false son below loader

[echo idol]

false son is like so close to being a fine survivor balance wise lol then they fucked it up

[north jungle]

😭

[iron palm]

What

[vernal heath]

Nah it depends on bungus count tbh
Get enough bungi and Engi mogs everyone but the 2 SOTS survivors that can't be contested

[echo idol]

overbuffed laser burst gave him ten thousand bugs that run in his favor (minus one!!)

they didnt even do the cool playable boss thing and make him (all that) big

[robust plume]

yeah engineer is very good, he´s second strongest in the base game with no dlcs right behind loader. But when you put the dlc guys in there´s an obvious gap between the two

[sonic tangle]

'ballista does so much damage' mfs when boosted dice does up to 12800% 2.25 coeff on a shorter cooldown

[echo idol]

he still is the biggest sruvivor but you never feel it cs hes not big enough for how tanky he can be

[iron palm]

Well I mean yeah but that reliance bogs him down a bit
Loader can perform well even without her best items

[north jungle]

no engie is probably stronger than loader

basically any damage item is like 3x effective

[sonic tangle]

engi doesnt need bungus lol

[vital escarp]

mfs when they get oneshotted by a brass contraption while trying to aim

[vernal heath]

Engi doesn't NEED it to be good
It just makes him invincible

[echo idol]

also he like really doesnt need the move speed and armor part of his passive #tbh 😭

[robust plume]

i´m not saying engie isn´t strong but like he ain´t better than loader

[vital escarp]

mmmmmm depends

[vapid dagger]

not really
engineer effortlessly walks over the game with basically no effort and has no shortage of ways to make the game more effortless than it already is and some of the best item synergies in the game
loader has really good early game mobility and can nuke bosses with band synergy
she doesnt have much else

[sonic tangle]

nah he is

[north jungle]

there’s also boosted ice which doesn’t do as much damage but the hitbox is frankly too big

[echo idol]

atleast the movespeed why tf he have that

[flint vortex]

12800% 2.25 coeff on a shorter cooldown when diablo strike enters (its cool because big kablooey and big number make brain go auuuughhh)

[vital escarp]

on raw terms, loader is better
but engineer is three survivors (kinda) at one

[echo idol]

armor is like fine

[robust plume]

the strongest survivor in this game has to be false son that growth mechanic and lunar ruin are straight bullshit lmao

[vital escarp]

so the math just adds up

[sonic tangle]

loader is definitely faster but how good that speed is varies

[echo idol]

but id rather keep attack speed

[sonic tangle]

seeker is stronger

[north jungle]

chef can get out 4 boosted spikes in the time captain is still waiting for one to come off cd

[north jungle]

no its seeker

[echo idol]

growth is fine its the fact that it directly plays into ruin which is bugged to hell and back which is what makes it so strong

plus the overbuffed laser busrt

[sonic tangle]

seeker is like false son but with even more mistake allowance and even fewer weaknesses

[north jungle]

also she can fucking fly

i feel this is understated because of loader

[sonic tangle]

✅

[vital escarp]

seeker is like false son but they said "fuck it, lets make her invincible"

[north jungle]

like loader is spiderman

[robust plume]

even with the triple items engineer is completely carried by turrets the rest of his kit is extremely modest

[north jungle]

yes and?

“he’s carried by turrets” turrets are the best special in this game

[sonic tangle]

good turret placement means th3 game is settled

[vapid dagger]

seeker is also just straight up overpowered by having some of the best healing in the game
really good overall synergies (and one so strong that it literally just lets her be endlessly invincible with a tactical nuke) and good mobility, damage, and range
and lets not forget the extra life

[robust plume]

i just can´t call something like that better than a survivor with four skills that are each basically perfect and an amazing passive no matter how strong the one trick pony can get

[flint vortex]

loader can get insane scaling, and so can fs, and seeker is just unkillable i think, and engineer is a 3in1 shampoo, and also railgunner is skill rewarding

[north jungle]

her m1 damage is insane at max tranq

[sonic tangle]

loader? no

[north jungle]

loader has really bad hits per second though

[north jungle]

turrets as a skill are better than any one of loaders skills

[robust plume]

are we ranking seeker so high because of the revive?

[sonic tangle]

no

[flint vortex]

yeah but loader doesnt need hps when she has insane dph

[fresh idol]

he is tho

[sonic tangle]

the revive is the cherry on top

[north jungle]

no ac JUST explained why she’s briken

[vapid dagger]

all of loaders abilities are kind of not good in a vacuum and rely heavily on eachother to work and if you removed her passive shed kind of fall apart almost entirely

[north jungle]

she has insane damage per hit but her actual hits are very slow

so her damage per second isn’t actually all that stand out

its good buy she’s definitely not proccing a thing

[robust plume]

there´s a lotta messages being fired real fast dude give me a minute

[flint vortex]

dps isnt really what matter if you deal insane amounts of damage

[sonic tangle]

i mean this isnt really an argument because they are always together

[north jungle]

it kind of does matter actually

if you do a lot of damage very infrequently you have bad damage

[sonic tangle]

unless you use heresy items but we are ignoring them

[flint vortex]

not if you can hit a murderous driveby on a boss

[vapid dagger]

this is true but it was more in response to her abilities being "perfect" all the time

[vernal heath]

Her immunity to fall damage is actually the only thing holding her kit together
The amount of deaths I'd have to falling off the map and losing all my health and getting one tapped by a beetle or something without it is insane

[robust plume]

engineer relies entirely on his turrets and if you removed them he´d get retroactively aborted by a time traveler

[sonic tangle]

far from it lol

[fresh idol]

Loader and Railgunner are specialized in a single way to play the game
the op characters are not specialized, they just have everything and a little bit more

[sonic tangle]

youre talking to the person who finds turretless engi solid

[robust plume]

mental institution

[sonic tangle]

and has beaten the game probably a few times with it

[north jungle]

well engie doesn’t exactly have everything but his special is kind of everything

[robust plume]

how the fuck do you do that

[sonic tangle]

i have too