ror2-discussion

[fresh idol]

no right choice that everyone agrees

[languid crystal]

true son, seeker, drifter r all op

[earnest canyon]

commando haha lets quit the jokes

(5 million death threats)

[spare saddle]

false daughter is stronger

[gleaming flint]

WHO'S commando

[fresh idol]

my main char

[languid crystal]

hes the trash one

[gleaming flint]

i only know void fiend

[earnest canyon]

its just some guy who got lost on titanic plains

[celest veldt]

is artificer any good ?

[languid crystal]

yes

just dont use flame thrower

[celest veldt]

just unlocked the character

[earnest canyon]

fartificer lol

[vapid dagger]

seeker is the generally agreed upon strongest

[celest veldt]

idk im new to the game

[languid crystal]

unlock ion surge asap

[fresh idol]

very hard to play with Lamethrower, very easy and extremely op with Ion Mid

[languid crystal]

false son too

[earnest canyon]

yeah shes pretty strong

[sterile viper]

https://tenor.com/view/chudjak-chud-chud-dance-dance-gif-16503425627519832037

[gleaming flint]

i have a billioneth fuel celss

[celest veldt]

will need to get it first

[sage python]

id say seeker by a fair bit

[upper wing]

meeeeeee

[celest veldt]

i got 5 characters now tho never beat the game sadly

[sterile viper]

me

[leaden meteor]

then what?

[languid crystal]

merc stinks

[gleaming flint]

Wrong, its alloyed collective-less drifter

[earnest canyon]

i forgor 💀

[leaden meteor]

mannn

[lucid minnow]

Why does False Son needs to have a beam coming from the background 😭 . I swear I can never beat him because of that dumb beam. Is there something I'm missing here, like some gimick to disable it?

[languid crystal]

my favorite survivors are engi, captain, bandit, operator and chef

[earnest canyon]

drifter is just joymaxxing

i love propkilling elder lemurians

[sage python]

stand behind a pillar

[harsh trout]

you can't disable it but you have to hide behind one of the arena pillars

[leaden meteor]

i might just copy both

[vapid dagger]

false son is the generally agreed upon second strongest

[sage python]

feels kinda disconcerting but its what yer meant to do

[lucid minnow]

:c false son just follows me sometimes and I just gotta duke it out while running its circles. It's actually pretty funny tbh

[leaden meteor]

cant be too unsure

[vapid dagger]

everyone else is somewhere behind those two but it gets a lot harder for people to agree after false son

[sage dust]

who is the strongest

[spare saddle]

just kill him before he fires the beam

[earnest canyon]

yeah i survived that because im the goat

[lucid minnow]

rational choice. I'll try that on my next run

[gleaming flint]

SON IM LAGGING SO BAAAD

[placid quail]

The beam used to be from his head

As he’s chasing you

[lucid minnow]

epic

[harsh trout]

distributors with dios and tougher times is evil work holy shit

[terse ferry]

it also used to charge a lot faster!
it sucked

it did look way cooler tho

[earnest canyon]

people say commando if you have 10 crit glasses polyute 100 crowbars, watches, focus crystals and ap bullets, shatterspleen forgive me please soulbound catalyst 100 gasoline

[lucid minnow]

good ol days

[lucid minnow]

ironically I found that a lot easier to dodge lmao

[placid quail]

And a partridge in a pear tree

[earnest canyon]

i was celebrating when i finally beat the last cell then like half the map respawned LMAO

[vapid dagger]

terrifying

[placid quail]

No power mode?

[coarse merlin]

I'll put this here too, why not

Survivor Concept: Luchador

Passive: Striking enemies builds Fury, which slowly drains over time.

M1, Combo: Rapidly punch, finishing with an explosive kick when m1 is no longer being tapped/held

M2, Suplex: Grab an enemy in front of you and slam it into the ground, stunning. If used midair, becomes an explosive shoulder drop (from the top rope!)

Utility, Barrel: Sprint at high speeds, damaging and knocking aside enemies in your path. Jump during the skill to transition into a long jump.

Special, Grapple: Lift an enemy, spending as much Fury as necessary. The more health an enemy has, the more fury is required to lift them. Enemies that are liftable are highlighted when the skill is held. After an enemy is lifted, they can be thrown with any attack button into a wall for heavy damage or another enemy for slightly less heavy damage to both.

I'm so good at drawing

[earnest canyon]

almost threw the run there

[terse ferry]

new fs laser gives you actual time to react which is great

[vapid dagger]

nah i can move good

[fresh idol]

power mode more like nap mode

[celest veldt]

tf never seen that thin g

[lucid minnow]

and it has a cool wind up

[earnest canyon]

you should probably not check this channel if you dont wanna be spoiled lmao

[lucid minnow]

guy prob has like 50 bison steaks.

[placid quail]

False Son’s battle would require such a massive budget to put to film

[spare saddle]

the laser looks so small and weak compared to how it charged

[terse ferry]

yeahhh

[lucid minnow]

I'll try again. Maybe this time I'll try to get transcendent. Surely it'll benefit void fiend

[terse ferry]

that's the one thing old laser had over new laser

[celest veldt]

eh i dont care about spoiler

[vapid dagger]

i also think it looks just way more badass to fly through the air and snipe things with rebar than to bunker down and shred with a couple nailguns

[fresh idol]

uh oh

[earnest canyon]

( i died )

[coarse merlin]

I mostly want this guy to exist because chucking mithrix into an arena wall would be hilarious

[gleaming flint]

IM LAGGIGN

[lucid minnow]

not letting the background head be an additional boss in false son's fight was a missed opportunity. Yes if you're running melee characters it'll suck so just hoppo your way to it

[terse ferry]

they were saving the giant boss gimmick for solus wing

[lucid minnow]

makes a lot more sense

let's do it again but bigger

the final boss is the entire level itself

you're inside a large bug

[earnest canyon]

they cooked with solus heart

[steady vector]

Asura's wrath boss

[terse ferry]

that's how i thought swing would originally be before AC release tbh

and when you kill it there's an escape sequence where you start burning to death because you're near the planet's core and just killed the thing keeping the facility functional

[lucid minnow]

is this your goat?

[mild cloak]

I thought that was the half life 2 antlion for a second 💔

[earnest canyon]

do you guys integrate visiting wandering chef in your runs, i feel like its such a waste of time

[mild cloak]

WE want HL2 antlions in ror2

[gleaming flint]

ok, SO MITHRIX STARTED SENDING DEVILISH RADIO WAVES TO HACK OVER MY PC TO USE IT AS A BITCOIN MINER TO EARN MONEY TO BUILD A SPACESHIP OUT OF MONEY AND ESCAPE THE MOON

[languid crystal]

mul t more like mid t

[terse ferry]

mostly just as a side effect of always fighting solus wing

[fresh idol]

kinda but i like retool

[terse ferry]

i wish wandering chef wasn't stage 4.5 only you've already won the run by then

[steady vector]

Close enough. Welcome back REZ infinite

[earnest canyon]

yup

[mild cloak]

he could be in prime meridian..

[gleaming flint]

Just give up already💔
Void wants you DEAD

[steady vector]

Wandering chef should set up a shop in the bazaar

[mild cloak]

there's so many soups there

[earnest canyon]

maybe you can call him for the price of a legendary chest or something

[sacred elk]

it was going to

theres a model for a lunar wandering chef

[steady vector]

Oooooh

[gleaming flint]

Do not fight with [thehigherups], you will delay our [goal]th

[earnest canyon]

that would be fire

[sacred elk]

i assume gearbox thought it would be too broken or something

[languid crystal]

whats ur preferred loadout

[gleaming flint]

So i summoned drifgoater to slime him out

[placid quail]

What would happen if you mix the flux Pauldrons?

Average illumination flux Pauldron??

[fresh idol]

12111

[terse ferry]

i think it'd be neat if lunar wandering chef was a thing but you could only call him into the bazaar once or twice per loop
that way you can't just abuse it every stage but you do still get access to it between stages of your choice

[earnest canyon]

yeah but maybe not let him show up there every time

[placid quail]

Speaking of favorite loadouts, my favorite for Viend is 1111

[steady vector]

Thats how I play Railgunner

[gleaming flint]

wandering chef is peak, thats why i use bazaar chef mod

[languid crystal]

o so default

boo , we hate default

[fresh idol]

yeah pretty much

[sage python]

i like 23111 most

but 12111 is probs second fav

[languid crystal]

i like double scrap or rebar retool scrap

[fresh idol]

power mid is giga boring, i don't really like double rebar and neither saw and the missile

[languid crystal]

i like being different

[fresh idol]

scrap launcher is incredibly mid

[languid crystal]

nah

[fresh idol]

Artificer alt m1 is better

[languid crystal]

fake news bro

[quasi lance]

Chat i just had the most fortunate series of events happen to me:

start stage 3
first chest is a chance doll
get a recycler from a barrel
get a 1% knurl from a chance shrine
rerolls into faulty conductor
hit chance shrine again for Spare Drone Parts
find an equipment drone
find a royal capacitator

I now have a spare drone parts boosted capacitor drone with faulty conductor on stage 3

[placid quail]

Artifact of Chef

The bazaar has the wandering chef.

[vapid dagger]

full defaults are the classics
12111 mul-t

[earnest canyon]

i like double nail gun because it will put my PC to work when i have shrimp

[placid quail]

Solus Wing is the most rewarding boss

[golden linden]

yeah them

[earnest canyon]

i paid for the 9800x3d so ill be using it

[fresh idol]

awesome fanart

[earnest canyon]

acrid

[placid quail]

The exaggerated swagger of a statue with a 1.5 proc coefficient

[quasi lance]

The statue that could

[quasi lance]

The drone died 😭

Goddam collective elites

[vapid dagger]

bonk sfx

[gleaming flint]

chirr is so ass

[earnest canyon]

i love running over children

in risk of rain 2 using chefs roll ability

[livid idol]

Straight up slammin' it, and by "it" haha lets just say my 1.5 proc coefficient

[fresh idol]

i love nuking children

[terse ferry]

hi bordurn!

[quasi lance]

With diablo strike, right...?

[gleaming flint]

i love sojourning children

[livid idol]

Hi goobessa!

[fresh idol]

[terse ferry]

how art thou

[sage python]

rising thunder animation be like

[old python]

Any movement tips I'm not aware of that can be useful?

[gleaming flint]

what

[livid idol]

In the most pain I've been in years! Otherwise alive

[golden linden]

for whom

[gleaming flint]

walking

[earnest canyon]

nah thats the god run

[quasi lance]

I love making children bleed

[earnest canyon]

(one shot by elite brass contraption in sky meadow)

[old python]

Just in general, is there a better tactic for dodging than moving in a circle?

[terse ferry]

directive harvest doesn't deal any knockback

[terse ferry]

reacting to attacks that come your direction

[earnest canyon]

new character : therapist

[quasi lance]

I have no speed 😭 thank god chef got movement

[vapid dagger]

keeping your distance believe it or not

[earnest canyon]

kill them first

[golden linden]

listening, attacks are directionally sounded

[quasi lance]

Dont let enemies spawn at all

[old python]

Hmmmmm alr.

[placid quail]

Chef’s roll is sometimes too good

[old python]

So playing it safe is better?

[earnest canyon]

more important : its too fun

[quasi lance]

500x

[placid quail]

Good luck having a precise landing with how fast that takes you

[vapid dagger]

in many cases
against large hordes yeah usually

[vapid dagger]

cover also helps

staying near things that can block shots for you

[earnest canyon]

i love vehicular manslaughter

[placid quail]

I like how roll gives you an extra jump if you’re midair

[vapid dagger]

and kiting efficiently

[old python]

Will happen eventually, but again wanted to know if in the early game where you don't got much damage if there's something you can exploit.. but yeah ig staying outside teleporter should work.

[vapid dagger]

well timed jumps also make a huge difference

[placid quail]

I might try sear for the first time in a year

[golden linden]

depends on the situation, depends on your items, depends your survivor

health is a resource and sometimes you can afford taking some to the head, too many edge cases if not given specificity

[placid quail]

What’s the range on it? 40?

[old python]

Hmmmmmm does that mean I should get headphones?

[golden linden]

unless you got a sorround system, yeah those help me a lot

[earnest canyon]

start embracing wax quail and hopoo feather

[placid quail]

“Can you beat eclipse 8 with mono audio?”

-future Race vid

[livid idol]

I've beaten it with no audio so probably

[placid quail]

: O

[old python]

Alr, while I'm here might ask aswell, did anyone do a video on looting paths for biomes?

[earnest canyon]

awesome quote

[vapid dagger]

i dont know but that would be a good one for someone to make if not

[placid quail]

Acrid is so cute

Must boop snoot

[vapid dagger]

learning map layouts is really helpful long term

[earnest canyon]

all of thes reds fuckin useless btw 💔

[old python]

Wax quail... Yk I might be sleeping on that.

[modest edge]

are we going to have a google document for the new dlc or no?

[golden linden]

check theoryfarting

[earnest canyon]

which character you playing

[modest edge]

thx!

[quasi lance]

Tip for early game: focus more on movement speed and damage reduction, but dont put off too much damage or utility items just for slightly more speed

[vapid dagger]

shmoovement

[quasi lance]

Behemoth 🤑

[old python]

Nah talking generally, but on commando and rex mainly rn.

[earnest canyon]

behemoth is really good for turning my PC into a heater

[terse ferry]

behemoth is a 60% damage boost

[quasi lance]

Behemoth is really good*

i love behemoth

[earnest canyon]

other than that. pretty meh

[placid quail]

Behemoth is very good

Just assume it cannot stack because the actual truth is more angering

[golden linden]

other than being one of the best reds, pretty meh

[terse ferry]

oh that actually reminds me of when we were testing sillypack and for some reason behemoth tanked exponentially more performance the more radius it got

[quasi lance]

Behemoth is free slight aoe and crazy free damage,

[placid quail]

f o r s o m e r e a s o n

[earnest canyon]

one of the best reds is crazy talk

[quasi lance]

It also has some very fun quirks

It is tho

[earnest canyon]

eh whatever ymmv

[terse ferry]

we doubled its base radius and tested it on something with 3.0 proc coeff and didn't have many issues
meanwhile 5.0 proc coeff caused a lagspike and 10.0 crashed the game if it hit more than one enemy

[golden linden]

joined today
checks out

[earnest canyon]

L ragebait

i agree for commando its true

[golden linden]

two more for bingo

[quasi lance]

60% is nothing to scoff at, and free aoe is free aoe man, behemoth is great on every character, and is actually a cool red

[terse ferry]

ok well to be fair the free aoe on behemoth is fucking nothing

[quasi lance]

Its bigger than it says in game

[terse ferry]

it's the same radius as directive harvest and i bet yall didnt even know directive harvest had aoe

[earnest canyon]

thats like 2 1/2 watches lmao

[quasi lance]

Still small but

[vapid dagger]

its also got
weird jank that makes it way way better than 60% more damage in some cases

[earnest canyon]

these drizzle players ong

[quasi lance]

Not how damage stacking and total damage works

Is it total

[vapid dagger]

engineer m1 can get up to 180% extra from it

[terse ferry]

it is

[quasi lance]

K

[vapid dagger]

and generally gets 120%

[terse ferry]

if it was 60% base damage it would only be good on commando and mul-t

and captain oh god

and bandit

[vapid dagger]

it also inherits attack quality

[old python]

Engineer M1 is slept on.

[quasi lance]

Total just means it multiplies based on your hit

Right?

Ok good

[old python]

Imma do a ror2 run rn.

[vapid dagger]

so slayer attacks actually boost it even if not directly bc it also gets multiplied by slayer

[terse ferry]

AC the addon info is appreciable but just based on how they speak i dont think bis understands or cares

[quasi lance]

If an attack crits, behemoth crits, and so on with other items

[vapid dagger]

probably not

i just like to talk technical

[upper wing]

hi guys

[quasi lance]

I like talking bout behemoth

[terse ferry]

real

hi nilzer!

[upper wing]

i heard someone call behemoth boring because it wasn’t gimmicky enough

[vapid dagger]

sup nilzer
howve you been

[upper wing]

me when my attacks literally exploding isnt cool enough

[earnest canyon]

i do but its just not that good

[upper wing]

i been okay, you?

[old python]

Well it is just a damage increase, but who cares, I love nkuhanahs.

[vapid dagger]

could be better but fine enough

[terse ferry]

i think you're just underestimating how good +60% total damage is

and how bad a lot of other reds are tbh 😭

[upper wing]

thats better than downright bad

[vapid dagger]

it definitely is

[quasi lance]

Id go as far to say that pre dlcs behemoth was one of if not the best red in the game

[celest veldt]

what are the best artifacts i should get ?

[earnest canyon]

like i hear the arguments but would i pick it over scorpion ? probably not

[vapid dagger]

i at least still feel like i havent lost my edge in this game

[quasi lance]

Clover is great but build dependent

[upper wing]

i think its worth getting all of em

[golden linden]

what situation would make you choose

[upper wing]

i kinda only am good at the game when i wanna be

[golden linden]

false son soup
commencement soup

[upper wing]

when im playing casually i kinda play like shit

[quasi lance]

For positive artifacts? Command, prestige if you got AC, swarms, amd sacrifice

[terse ferry]

like i'd take 3 watches over any of these fuckers
or these but they aren't as bad

[vapid dagger]

clover isnt really that build dependent
things happening more regularly is just good

[old python]

@vapid dagger can you make commando roll sling you higher in the early game?

[quasi lance]

Its good but really is only top tier when you got proc items so

[terse ferry]

oh and laser scope because it is just conditional behemoth

[quasi lance]

Behemoth is consistent

[livid idol]

Also the orphan and substandard duplicator! (No icons for those though)

[upper wing]

i wouldnt dumb down behemoth to three watches only because its basically another damage multiplier with an aoe effect

[earnest canyon]

no im just saying scorpion is over behemoth

[vapid dagger]

yes
jump right before rolling and standing still and it does a funny flip upwards

[old python]

OH.

nice.

[terse ferry]

el has discovered the funnytech

[old python]

Does jumping higher sling me higher?

[quasi lance]

Red Top 5 (imo based on how much i like them)

1. 
   2
   3.
   4
   5.

[fresh idol]

Clover on the list is good enough

[terse ferry]

i should make a red likeability tierlist myself

[quasi lance]

Clover is slightly overrated but thats just because people think its an end all be all run winner

[vapid dagger]

with high movement speed roll starts to do what ever this is when you do the standstill jump dive

[upper wing]

clover i think is the most hype red even if its not like statistically the best

[livid idol]

Best buddy not in F tier for once? 👀

[undone grail]

false son or aurelionite daughter

[livid idol]

Idk blowing things up is really cool

[upper wing]

behemoth is a very close second

[terse ferry]

no it's too much of a useless industry plant
i made this edit of suncles earlier today

[vapid dagger]

technically no

its based on your movespeed

and the current angle at which you are moving

so if you jump stationary while you have a high movespeed it basically rolls straight upward

[livid idol]

But its a cool item :)

[old python]

Wait I've been scammed, a guy told me roll doesn't scale with movement speed.

[terse ferry]

it's a cool item they fucked up 😔

[earnest canyon]

stompers, scorpion, tesla coil, leaf clover, spare drone parts, sonorous whispers, alien head are above behemoth in my priority

[livid idol]

True....

[upper wing]

gearbox is really good at sloppifying really fucking cool concepts

[terse ferry]

which is reasonable

[vapid dagger]

but as you gain more movespeed the angle at which you travel also drops bc jumps dont get higher

[earnest canyon]

if i have a soulbound god forbid im looking for a forgive me please lmao

[upper wing]

wrong message my apologies

[terse ferry]

but that still leaves behemoth in like
the upper 1/3rd?

[upper wing]

meant to reply to this

[terse ferry]

upper third or upper quarter

[old python]

Hmm alr.

[vapid dagger]

so in this clip i have a large amount of movespeed and jump while standing still to accomplish this

and i just
float

[earnest canyon]

ok fine sure if that makes you happy lmao

[queen heron]

hmmm
do i operator max at this current moment....

[quasi lance]

ALIEN HEAD??? all the others make some sense but ALIEN HEAD??? Its just faster cooldowns which 70% of the roster doesnt care too much for

[upper wing]

i sincerely hope they fix this

[earnest canyon]

my runs been good what should i say

[terse ferry]

what if we made a red item summon that rammed into enemies and inherited movespeed items and had heavy

and what if we marketed it a shitton and made a plushie of it and to make people buy the plushie we gave it a skill where it does nothing but hop in place making noises

[quasi lance]

I despise ahead tho so

[vapid dagger]

it used to not scale with sprint speed but it always scaled with movespeed

[celest veldt]

^finnaly got engi

[vapid dagger]

maybe not always actually

[queen heron]

and it ended up being the best item ever?

[quasi lance]

Wheres the red that makes best buddy good

[queen heron]

ikr

[old python]

Tbf tho, this seemse like a nice use... Idk a way to escape or jump onto a flying enemy.

[vapid dagger]

its got its uses for sure

it just used to be a lot more technical to pull off

[earnest canyon]

behemoth is somewhere inbetween ceremonial, hardlight, networked suffering, icbm

[vapid dagger]

thats what i complain about

[queen heron]

sorry i cant be associated with orphaned core haters 😔

[earnest canyon]

i think networked suffering is kinda goated

[sour nest]

Just looked at a short ranking classes and the person put huntress below commando which I find insane.

[old python]

Hmm I see.

[quasi lance]

Nsuffering is so busted

I dont like it

[vapid dagger]

mostly bc of the way it functioning now also getting in the way of movement just as much as it can do wacky stuff

[earnest canyon]

i havent gotten it in many runs yet tbf

[upper wing]

the comments under the corphan reveal being “OMG YOU CAN PET IT???” means their marketing worked

initially at least

[earnest canyon]

but yeah behemoth is C tier. no further questions thank you

[queen heron]

what other item lets you pet something?

checkmate

[earnest canyon]

have i done the math ? nope its all vibes based

[quasi lance]

Its like a big multiplier on damage to 4 enemies + a debuff

Networked is

[upper wing]

i play the video game to shoot stuff not to raise a pet

[old python]

Ah, so it's a nerf outside of this niche thing.. eh tbf still more interesting than slide.

[queen heron]

you can enjoy both 🤓

[quasi lance]

I hate best buddy he keeps doing the stupid infinite fall glitch

[vapid dagger]

yeah thats fair

[sour nest]

Hot take but substandard duplicator doesn't deserve red tier I'd say.

[cloud topaz]

best buddy has randomly been coming in clutch the last few times ive got it i have no idea how

[vapid dagger]

i still use it bc i dont like feeling glued to the ground

and the floatiness behind it is funny if nothing else

[earnest canyon]

kinda agree. id love my mind changed on this tho

[queen heron]

because its peak

[sour nest]

It's in a weird spot where I'd say it's a bit too good for green, not good enough for red.

[quasi lance]

Duplicator should make temp items last +20 seconds longer

Maybe even 30

[vapid dagger]

substandard duplicator is pretty alright but it does stack terribly

the additional time per temp item should be notably higher than it currently is

[sour nest]

I don't think it deserves to be a red item since just an extra temp item for picking up a normal item is... Eh.

At least compared to a ton of other reds.

[quasi lance]

Its better than Aegis!

[vapid dagger]

i dont think it doesnt deserve to be red but its certainly on the lower end of them

[vital depot]

the bar is in hell

[earnest canyon]

oh yeah meat hook is above behemoth too

[vapid dagger]

its just kind of meh for a red

[earnest canyon]

and im getting pelted again

[vapid dagger]

i like both of these items

meat hook is a personal favorite

[terse ferry]

a lot of things in yellow tier are things that i think are cool in concept but are too numerically fucked for me to smile when i see them

[vapid dagger]

but behemoth is raw aura too

[vital depot]

i like the sound meat hook makes

[sour nest]

The way I view it is, if drifter can print out 4 or 5 temp items every 20 seconds, substandard should have a bit more oomf.

[vital depot]

Damn i have not gotten Meat Hook in a while

[fresh idol]

why the ICBM hate

[earnest canyon]

very condtional

[terse ferry]

polarizing
i'd move it up to yellow tho i was too harsh on it

[vapid dagger]

a lot of people dont like things that can be paperweights

[fresh idol]

even if i don't get anything i feel that i have an explosive potential into my character

[old python]

Eh, ig I do because same, verticality is just better.

[vapid dagger]

i like that icbm can be a paperweight bc it gives me an actual reason to dismiss it in runs where it wont work

[old python]

And all it takes is just a nub in the ground.

[vapid dagger]

no atg?
into the white soup it goes

[earnest canyon]

i have problem and its called "its time to go for a forgive me please build" and its kicks on when i get a souldbound catalyst

[terse ferry]

in an ideal world the white soup does not act as the trash can but as the trade can

[round sandal]

Mass of fermenting dregs….

[vapid dagger]

well i can see it as both
i cant use this rn
but those sticky bombs i can use those

[earnest canyon]

growth nectar is good for longer runs also stacks pretty good but its pretty meh

[round sandal]

In an ideal world, we hug

[sour nest]

Apparently defensive microbots scale with attack speed which is interesting.

[terse ferry]

i guess this world's meower doesn't want hugs 😔

[old python]

Eclipse 2 is too early to worry about macro, right?

[terse ferry]

it also stacks despite that being impossible in most scenarios

[quasi lance]

Growth nectar is great but not cool

[sage python]

incheresting

[sour nest]

Strange. I still do question why it's even an item in the first place.

[quasi lance]

Microbots should be acquired by tricorning spex

[bronze notch]

microbots <3

[quasi lance]

No they really shouldnt

[vapid dagger]

sonorous whispers is an item i just kind of disagree with

its good

[sage python]

same

[vapid dagger]

its just
not really
healthy

[round sandal]

You are literally across the world from me silly Billy

[earnest canyon]

i love free items

[vapid dagger]

for the game imo

[earnest canyon]

nerd emoji

[quasi lance]

Swispers is such a you dont notice it until you get 500 free white items thing

[round sandal]

Did y’all notice fox didn’t announce me…

I think I might have to demote them…

[cedar coral]

brilliant behemoth over crobar on arti?

[vapid dagger]

yes?

[old python]

Yup, same with headset imo.

[cedar coral]

I see

[quasi lance]

Meower is here (i replaced them)

[vapid dagger]

stompers are fine i think

[burnt hemlock]

growth nectar is great because it validates my one in ten runs i get collectors compulsion and antlers

[vapid dagger]

they take a bit of getting used to

but theyre really solid

and they are fun to play around

[earnest canyon]

i like them because i dont have to do them FUCK ASS pillars

[old python]

Not taking fall damage is.. big? It's an interesting item with the damage but if you get it e3 becomes e2.

[sour nest]

On one hand, I wish there were more items to proc growth on false son. On the other hand, false son is busted as shit and doesn't need any more crutches.

[vapid dagger]

yeah but it kind of cant function at all without the fall damage immunity

it does also stack horribly as a result but i dont think thats too big of a problem

[earnest canyon]

yeah stompers is situational

downgraded to B tier in my vibes list

[vapid dagger]

it has a general use mobility effect with a "panic nuke" built in

[old python]

Make it so it only gives the immunity IF you do the stomp or smth, just that the interesting part of it is overshadowed by the fact it just is no fall damage item.

Not much incentive to stack it for the damage part which is sad because it's pretty interesting.

[vapid dagger]

i dont think nuking the entire stage is that overshadowed by not taking fall damage which is something most characters have a way to do already

bc it actually is capable of that

[sour nest]

I find it strange that white items are usually better than green items. But it's just how the game works.

[vapid dagger]

having a "fast fall" is cool too

white items tend to work consistently but not necessarily better than green items

[sour nest]

Green items usually need something else to work.

[vapid dagger]

usually

but thats fine

[earnest canyon]

1000 lepton daisy

[spare saddle]

damm i missed the meower??

[terse ferry]

or they just dont work regardless

[vapid dagger]

you get enough of them alongside white items that you can frequently enough find a use case for just about every green item

[sour nest]

It's probs because the game would be a million times harder if the real good white items were instead green items.

[vapid dagger]

seed was one of those items that i was happiest to see in my last mul-t run ngl

[terse ferry]

ok well tbf mul-t is kind of the outlier

him having lots of built in damage reduction helps with flat healing

[vapid dagger]

i find its just a decent healing item for any character with a half decent proc rate

[terse ferry]

on top of nailgun obv

[earnest canyon]

except that sale star is the best most awesome item in the game

[round sandal]

I’m still hereeeee

[earnest canyon]

and its crazy that everyone just agrees

[sour nest]

Sale star. 🔥

[terse ferry]

i more just think of leeching seed as the somewhat-better-than-nothing second worst healing item in the game

[vapid dagger]

its definitely not amazing but its not terrible either
it definitely could use a buff tho

[spare saddle]

yaaaay 😊😊

[terse ferry]

usually worst because lepton is so bad i genuinely forget it exists

[round sandal]

How is?

[vapid dagger]

lepton is just terribly unreliable

[sour nest]

And then there's some real stinker greens like red whip or hunter's harpoon.

[spare saddle]

slightly sick
but i have an extended weekend so pretty good

[vapid dagger]

but seed i usually like having more than a large number of white healing items

[earnest canyon]

icl lepton daisy probably saved one run in my 400 hours or so probably

[round sandal]

Lowk heals you

[earnest canyon]

so for that its pretty goated

[sour nest]

I never notice seed in action tbh.

[vapid dagger]

its subtle
but it definitely helps

[earnest canyon]

flat 1 healing on hit lol

[vapid dagger]

it also could still use a buff

[terse ferry]

lepton saved me once on a specific variant of distant roost when the teleporter was near the gray door but closer to the two slopes and the fact that i can remember that says a lot

[vapid dagger]

2 per stack instead of 1

[sour nest]

I'm aware.

[earnest canyon]

so maybe it isnt that bad

[terse ferry]

affected by proc coefficient too!
so sometimes it's not even 1

[earnest canyon]

(instantly turns into green scrap on sight)

[terse ferry]

it's lower on everything with a non-1.0 proc co except airborne charged fs slam and railgunner specials

[fresh idol]

1 healing based on proc coef and another 0.5 flat

[old python]

Idk I haven't been feeling the damage.. or just my M1 does way more by then lmao, but ig the fast fall is interesting.. idk how many things can make you go faster.

[round sandal]

Sneezes

[sour nest]

I really like prayer beads as an item tbh.

[tawny pilot]

i have appeared

[earnest canyon]

brutal

i like the optics of leech seed

if ya feel me

[vapid dagger]

you do have to be getting "SUPER jumps" to really get the nuke part of it

[terse ferry]

wdym optics

[vapid dagger]

so that might be it

[gleaming flint]

Fun fact: Acrid is unable to walk on the tip of their toes

[earnest canyon]

"oh yeah i got a healing item ill be fine"

[terse ferry]

yeah leeching seed does do that at least

[round sandal]

This is a lie, I can do this

[old python]

Yeah that's Def it lmao, but that should go well with commando roll, right?

[gleaming flint]

No you cannot

[terse ferry]

it's a really bad healing item but i can at least look to it when it counts
on some survivors

[round sandal]

YES I CAN

[vapid dagger]

yeah once you get the float rolls down itll go really well

[earnest canyon]

acrid would press the red button

[gleaming flint]

show it then

[round sandal]

Shows it to you

[earnest canyon]

each hit on captain counts seperately right

[sour nest]

Hiker's boots feel like it was specifically designed for operator ngl.

[gleaming flint]

Oh thats surprising

[quasi lance]

Chat give me the worst item in the game and ill rework it or buff it

[old python]

Yk another niche/less unknown damage source I wanted to ask about is spurs, I have almost never used it for the explosion lmao, how good is it?

[gleaming flint]

Fun fact: Acrid is able to walk on the tip of their toes

[terse ferry]

hiker's and substandard are the obligatory dlc items that synergize with dlc characters

[earnest canyon]

brilliant behemoth

[vapid dagger]

its not that bad
i honestly prefer it over slug in just about every instance
bc if im safe enough to not get hit for 7 seconds im safe enough to shoot at something for 7 seconds
or just dont even need the healing in the first place where base regen is more than fine

[round sandal]

I’m autistic, I like tip toeing walking on stairs

[earnest canyon]

might have been blocked by that chatter tbh

[sour nest]

What does substandard synergize with? I don't even see it being that good on drifter, she already has a million temp items anyway.

[terse ferry]

[tawny pilot]

Brilliant Behemoth makes you shoot more bullet per bullet

[vapid dagger]

this thing is the worst item

[earnest canyon]

didnt you put it in C tier on your list

[terse ferry]

the intent is for it to syngerize with drifter at least

[old python]

Technically, yes.
But I love nkuhanahs.

[earnest canyon]

i fucking forgot about that lmao

[terse ferry]

likeability tierlist not viability tierlist

[old python]

Not steak?

[sour nest]

Fair enough. If it counted for picking up temp items too, then I'd get it a ton.

[round sandal]

Mmmmmm, steak

[vapid dagger]

i would always take a steak over a stealthkit

[old python]

Wait no steak has a use.

[earnest canyon]

fair

[sour nest]

Steak is at least top tier for false son.

[old python]

That's about it... Ig damage for nkuhanahs and health.

[terse ferry]

n'ku turning healing into damage is so cool why did they have to give it the numbers of a mid green item then move it to red

[old python]

Yeah fair.

[vapid dagger]

stealthkit got powercreeped by another item in the same tier
and an item in a lower tier
and also just isnt good to begin with

[sour nest]

In comparison, what class does stealthkit benefit at all.

[round sandal]

@sage python I saw that fox. You’re on thin ice.

[earnest canyon]

nku with wungus is pretty funny

[old python]

Anyone who deals passive damage? Acrid?

[vapid dagger]

stealthkit does not benefit passive damage

[earnest canyon]

the problem is if i have to rely on stealth kit to save my run, my god the run is fucking over

[sage python]

chat, the meower is here !!!!!

[old python]

But it does make you invisible, you basically just run away while poison does poison, but even then just power elixer is better lmao.

[round sandal]

Yeah she is

[vapid dagger]

it benefits more hit and run playstyles which could be something acrid does benefit from
but you also have to almost die to use it

and then it goes on cooldown

[earnest canyon]

how does stealth kit stack

[vapid dagger]

cdr

[old python]

Yeah I think it's just too fucking underwhelming for a green.

[sage python]

here is mine i think, ordered within tiers

orphaned core is only top of the top because i like them both ironically and unironically so i giggle whenever i see it

[gleaming flint]

i WONDER if the void is a well known threath in the ror universe
since they can travel to MANY plaCES

[sour nest]

You also have to break watches to use it.

[vapid dagger]

or at least pop an elixir

[round sandal]

Hugs

[quasi lance]

N'khana's Opinon Rework

"Store 20% of all healing as "Her Virtue". When you hit 25% health or less, all of your stored healing is released and half of it is turned into homing skulls that do 300% damage."

Notes: This would proc before watches and such are broken.

[terse ferry]

the void kinda seems like one of those threats that are feared everywhere but that earth is completely unaware of tbh
like viltrumites

[gleaming flint]

sends a orbital strike to your location

[vapid dagger]

and also not die in the process of doing so

[old python]

Well yeah it's just a worse elixer.

In every way.

[sour nest]

At least an elixir gets you health-wise out of the "I'm about to die" situation. Stealthkit is just praying the enemies weren't AOE spamming or smth.

[round sandal]

Continues hugging cause I think you’re cool

[gleaming flint]

sends continous orbital strikes to your locations

[earnest canyon]

i dont like allat "triggers on low health" type shit

[cloud topaz]

im very glad this run is already going well cause 😭

[round sandal]

That’s okay :3

[vapid dagger]

and can actually save you from some multihits that would normally kill you

[terse ferry]

would you abhor the fart if it brought you a comedy

[gleaming flint]

CARBONIZES your marshmallows

[vapid dagger]

hello elder lem barrage fancy seeing you pop stealthkit for 0.1 seconds before finishing me off

[sour nest]

This ain't to say elixir is a great item though, I'm scrapping it when I can. 🗿

[sage python]

i used to really like ceremonial but idk it steals a lot of kills

same with unstable tesla coil

[gleaming flint]

AEGIS

[vapid dagger]

oh im burning alive from the granparent sun
its a good thing i get to go invisible when i get low
im sure that will save me from the fire that is eating through my hp bar

[sour nest]

I forgor the way to deal with grandparent's burning, is it simply just killing it faster than it kills you?

[vapid dagger]

find shade

[earnest canyon]

run

[round sandal]

Shows you my copper complex

[vapid dagger]

break line of sight with the sun they summon above their head
generally indicated by shaded parts of the map

[cloud topaz]

power elixir is a good last resort item if ur not finding anything else

[sour nest]

Interesting.

[earnest canyon]

my gambling brain always tells its time to go the void fields

[gleaming flint]

simplifies your copper complex, making it a simple copper

[molten hound]

what is up my SLIMES

[round sandal]

Meowwww

[earnest canyon]

i thought that was ryan gosling for a second

[cloud topaz]

i went there earlier on huntress and the enemies was the clay machine gun guys and i got shredded lol

[sour nest]

I assume Mul-T is one of the stat-wise tankiest classes?

[quasi lance]

Stealthkit Rework:

"When you fall below 25% of your Max HP, turn Invisible and Gain 50% Movement Speed and 40 Armor. Has a cooldown of 60 seconds"

||armor is to hopefully make it so you dont get completely oneshot||

[terse ferry]

200 hp and some base armor i forgot yeah

[earnest canyon]

when the clay templars got mochas and tougher times i knew it was time for me to leave

[quasi lance]

i didnt know what much to do with it

[terse ferry]

ironically tankier than false son but fs makes up for it with his passive

[quasi lance]

I need more bad items to make bad reworks out of

[round sandal]

How much do you think the meower has

[earnest canyon]

stealthkit reword : activates sexy mode

[terse ferry]

slightly less than acrid because the meower isn't as violent

[sour nest]

Best to worst what would ya'll rank the Mul-T weapons?

[round sandal]

Wait you’re so right

[vapid dagger]

i still dont really think thatll do that much
theres already a rework i had in mind for it anyway
make it a chance based activation instead of conditional on getting low
so every time something "bumps" you it has a chance to turn on

[earnest canyon]

acrid should be able to walk on walls

[quasi lance]

Ima rework

[terse ferry]

saw > scrap = rebar > nail but the gap isn't too large in my mind

[earnest canyon]

id just feel like it would be awesone

[quasi lance]

I like that and i think Quality does that

[vapid dagger]

its actually how it used to work

[molten hound]

we should explode someone with 300 sticks of dynamite

it would be pretty sweet

[round sandal]

I can do that

[earnest canyon]

singularity band rework : it turns back to kjaro and runalds

[round sandal]

I don’t want anyone else to explode :(

[vapid dagger]

to this day i dont know anyone who really wanted that changed

[terse ferry]

hopoo apparently

[molten hound]

what if its a pedophile or someone idk

[sour nest]

I both like crowbar... And realize it's good for like 1 class alone lmfao.

[earnest canyon]

ok im gonna play vido games

[sour nest]

Maybe okay on captain if you grab the nuke.

[round sandal]

Ooooo that’s fine then

[terse ferry]

not really crowbar is pretty solid it just becomes more scrappable as you go down the list

[round sandal]

Watches you

[molten hound]

vido gams ❤️‍🩹

[vapid dagger]

crowbar is at worst an average damage increase of 7.5%

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/shawtywannaballwiththeteam-dog-with-wipers-wiper-glasses-dog-in-rain-dog-in-raincoat-gif-8242466803747588651

[terse ferry]

still better than railgunner crit glasses is insane

[vapid dagger]

yeah

[sour nest]

Crowbar just kinda does nothing once the 10% is cut away though.

For most classes.

[vapid dagger]

its just something you dont necessarily think about bc when playing someone like commando but when a super tanky enemy comes along and it still takes several shots to eat through 10% of their hp with crowbars you have to start thinking
"how slow would this be if i didnt have a 7x damage boost for that first 10% of their hp"

thats the worst case scenario for crowbar

[sour nest]

And the way I view it, it's only about 10% faster now.

[quasi lance]

Singularity Band Rework:

"Attacks that do more than 400% damage make a collapsing singularity for 7 seconds that pulls enemies within 15m into its center, dealing 525% (75% per stack) TOTAL damage when it expires. Recharges in 20 seconds. Corrupts all Kjaro's and Runald's Bands."

Notes: Pulls with the strength of a Primordial Cube Black Hole.

Tried to make it so its more of a trade between high more single target damage or less total single target damage but more group damage and utility

[sour nest]

I'm not saying crowbar is bad though, just kinda ehh for most classes.

[quasi lance]

Crowbar is slept on i love crowbar

[terse ferry]

i feel like 600% (+50%) is a bit too polarizing

it's also kind of insane for a 20m 7s primordial cube

[vapid dagger]

its still chunking the boss quite quickly down to 90% hp

[sour nest]

Tbh I don't even think singularity band is bad on it's own, it's just that the regular bands are better.

[quasi lance]

Hmm

Maybe 500% (+75%)?

[vapid dagger]

singluarity bands are in fact bad on their own
thats why you dont use them on their own

[quasi lance]

Wanted them to be better as an alternative

[sour nest]

Idk about you but anytime I have singularity band in a run, it's a net positive.

[terse ferry]

a single vand is dealing more damage than two runald's bands and as much as two kjaro's

[quasi lance]

But not as like a its better in general

[vapid dagger]

they have a 1.0 proc coef and are great crowd control
so you use them to group up enemies and cause massive collateral

[quasi lance]

True

Here lemme change it up a bit

Changed some numbers around

Thing is with vand is that youre saccing two great items for a meh item

It needs to be more equal

[vapid dagger]

the only thing id give them is a like 50% more damage

thats it

they dont really need to scale anywhere beyond that

[quasi lance]

Still wouldnt be very good honestly

[vapid dagger]

bc they serve a different role to normal bands

[sour nest]

Wait so what are people's opinions on singu band? To me, it's a pretty good item, it's just hella outclassed by what it replaces if you pick it up. Making you never want to pick it up.

[quasi lance]

Thats pretty much the general opinion

[terse ferry]

yeah sing band is good but outclassed

[sage python]

they dont need to exceed bands or even match them, they just need to be good enough for the decision to be more interesting

[quasi lance]

Hmm

[sour nest]

I pretty much always pick up singularity bands tbh.

[vapid dagger]

really good just needs a bit too much support and scaling to compete to the immediate power of bands

[terse ferry]

well no the general opinion is a black and white version
the general populace thinks sing band is poo from a butt

0 uses 0 damage

[vapid dagger]

it has minimal direct damage that it compensates with a large amount of utility and synergy

[quasi lance]

I like what quality does, just making the vand area a lot bigger, like teleporter radius big with a quality 5

[vapid dagger]

its also generally harder to use due to its lower cooldown

[sage python]

its still like,, decent direct damage when it does the damage

[terse ferry]

a lot of "general community opinion" things are just radicalized black and white versions of the truth

[vapid dagger]

but it has great crowd control and does eventually just become the better option

[sour nest]

I always pick up the singularity bands because for me, they're miles more common than normal bands.

[sage python]

but thats infrequent in comparison

[quasi lance]

Thing is, Bands are a multiplier on top of a multiplier, while vand is just the 1st multiplier repeated

I wish it wasnt

[sage python]

wdym?

[vapid dagger]

thats why i would give it a bit more total damage
also its got a pretty solid aoe range

[quasi lance]

It is good utility but not great damage, which is usually not better than big number

[sour nest]

Which void items would ya'll say are must-takes over their reg vers?

[vapid dagger]

people look at kjaros having a 13 diameter and vands having a 15 meter radius and think its not much better

[terse ferry]

also something about void balance that a lot of people (including the devs themselves) tend to forget is that on any given run, if you always pick up a void item on sight, you will always have 1 more stack of the void than the original

[vapid dagger]

none

[sour nest]

Not even the key?

[vapid dagger]

theres situations for every void item to not be better than the alternative

[vapid dagger]

when i dont want to use any void items the key becomes the most useless

[terse ferry]

so realistically 2 vands should be compared to 1 band
but since that's complicated and easy to forget about we tend to ignore that
and we also get voids like needletick that are pretty much equal to the original at a 1:1 ratio

[sour nest]

And why wouldn't you want to use some of the gucci void items?

[quasi lance]

Bands do 250% (for runalds i believe) total damage on top of the 400% damage mult, resulting in a 1000% multiplier on base damage if you have 1 band on the minimum 400% hit.

And thats just 1 band

[vapid dagger]

the key's value is dependent on other void items being worthwhile and if the average void isnt desirable for whatever reason then the key loses value as a result

[sour nest]

I'd say besides engineer, one of the biggest "insta take" void items is weeping fungus.

[sage python]

vands also do that kinda, its also total damage

[vapid dagger]

the reason key is good
is bc other voids are good

[sage python]

ig its 100% total damage but its still kinda similar

[sour nest]

And you won't know what items the key will have, but chances are it's better than what the base key will have.

[vapid dagger]

i dont really like using void items nor do i feel like i miss them

[vapid dagger]

technically not necessarily true

[quasi lance]

Vands is a 100% total, which is just a 1x mult, so just the 400% damage again

[sour nest]

Huh, pretty much me but with lunar items. I never use them.

I barely know what any of them do lmao.

[unborn forum]

i use ONE focused convergence

i love void items tho

wungus.....plasma shrimp..... polylute....

[quasi lance]

Id say theres not many if at all any situations where tougher times is better than safer spaces besides mushrums and scorch worms

[sage python]

i tend to leave , but the other ones i take situationally

[terse ferry]

i tend to pick up defiant gouge since it's just nice to have without being as broken/dogshit as other lunars

[livid idol]

Rachis, convergence, beads and gouge are my instant takes

[terse ferry]

rachis is weird i dont bother with it

[livid idol]

I think its silly

[terse ferry]

should try a run with it

[quasi lance]

Rachis is always a hinderance to me

[sour nest]

What is the difference between polylute and ukelele even?

[sage python]

my only insta take is i think

[livid idol]

Aoe vs single target

[terse ferry]

also friendly reminder that the game files have a version of which acts as evil warbanner

[quasi lance]

Uke is aoe and poly is single target

Poly is usually better tho

[sour nest]

But in the desc it says polylute deals less damage despite being single target. So where's the benefit?

[quasi lance]

Poly is so fun

[terse ferry]

polylute can actually hit the enemy you proc it on

[quasi lance]

It hits 3 times over with a proc coeficcient

[terse ferry]

uke is strictly aoe

[sour nest]

Ah okay, fair enough.

[vapid dagger]

polylute i avoid bc ukulele is just such a good item for translating single target damage into aoe and is amazingly efficient with its overall output especially on big hitters
shrimp i leave bc its proc coef sucks in comparison to atg it is dependant on never taking enough damage to lose shields and it cant retarget if things die early
wungus i tend to avoid bc id rather scrap bungus for damage printers than have more healing i dont even need
spaces i avoid bc tougher times is a better defense for when i actually need defense

[terse ferry]

poly vs uke is a very interesting void design even if there's a clear winner

[quasi lance]

Polyshrimp combo my beloved

[sour nest]

I'd say one of the worst void items is lost seer's lenses.

[sage python]

i think polylute and uke are more closer in power than people treat them to be

[vapid dagger]

polylute is also the one void i would most consider using

[coarse merlin]

Which survivor would you want to see working a McDonald's counter, if you had to pick one

[quasi lance]

Engi's bum ass

[coarse merlin]

Oh chef ofc

[tacit ledge]

what about zoea

[upper wing]

muh friggin power crepe

[coarse merlin]

That's like the easy obvious answer

[vapid dagger]

power crepe sounds like a very healthy meal

[terse ferry]

which user in here has the most risk of rain 2 dlc name

[sage python]

polylute also looks so sickl

[upper wing]

yes truly

[terse ferry]

sounds like a video game item

[sage python]

i remember being so hyped when it was first teased

[sour nest]

Chef would crash out seeing the food be made out of horse meat.

[coarse merlin]

Could be me

[terse ferry]

power crepe
upon consumption deal +75% damage for 10 seconds

and move 20% faster

[upper wing]

polylute genuinely feels so good to use that even if it was legit the most busted item in the game (which it isnt) id still enjoy it

[upper wing]

uke also feels really nice

[terse ferry]

polyglot has great sfx and vfx true

[quasi lance]

Had a run where i got 2 chronos from the 1st stage teleporter (mountain shrine) and found a chrono printer and tentabauble next stage

I got 12 tentabaubles that stage

[vapid dagger]

polylute stacks for 45% more damage per stack
ukulele starts off providing a 60% bonus in groups and 40% for every additional stack and increases the range at which its effect works which improves its consistency

[quasi lance]

Everything stands still before me

[vapid dagger]

so theyre pretty even

[livid idol]

Yeah

[quasi lance]

Polylute + Shrimp + Runic Lens = Infinite Meteors

[sour nest]

Needletick is miles worse than tri-tip dagger iirc?

[livid idol]

Both are very good items

I say no to polylute if i want more aoe

[vapid dagger]

its not
its very evenly matched as well

[quasi lance]

Both are good but bleed can scale infinitely technically

[terse ferry]

not really that's just the 5 minute rule esque opinion
theoretically true but extremely wrong

[upper wing]

idk i think voids are better executed than people here like to say they are

[quasi lance]

I like bleed more on non-burst survivors

[livid idol]

I think they could be better but they're not the antichrist

[quasi lance]

Burst survivors i pick needletick

[sour nest]

Ah I see.

[sage python]

i think some couldve done with a bit more workshopping but yeah

[vapid dagger]

needletick shines amazingly in the same situations that tritips do
needletick pumps out more damage in shorter periods of time less consistently with higher base stacks and eventually becomes a no brainer pick
while tritip is a theoretically infinite damage build up with fairly consistent bonus output and higher performance at lower stacks
but enemies dont have infinity health so....

[terse ferry]

probably just because opportunity cost is something that's otherwise rare in this game and the general community thinks in black and white

doesn't help that people shove their void hate down your throat

[sage python]

i see people complain about the method voids are obtained, but like its fine imo

[terse ferry]

i used to hate vand and needletick

[sage python]

and fitting for the game

[old python]

For how strong they are, nah it's good.

[sour nest]

What is there to complain about with it?

Spending 50% hp or smth?

[old python]

Rng.

[terse ferry]

scarcity i'd think

[sage python]

that corruption is +1 item

[upper wing]

oh my god it is so annoying

[sour nest]

They ain't even that rare. 😭

[old python]

Apparently they are for some people.

[sage python]

dlc content limit moment

[vapid dagger]

void cradles are about the same credit cost for the stage as a large chest iirc

[vital depot]

they will be with the increasing amount of DLCs

[upper wing]

especially with this dlc content limit thing

[sour nest]

I find voids a million times more than red items.

[cedar coral]

just had the easiest run of my life as arti

[terse ferry]

do you guys think mario can aura farm

[vital depot]

I already dont get Voids even half as often as i used to now

[livid idol]

I mean I think it would be nice if it corrupted and only gave one if you had none of the item to make it not skewed towards the void items but it's not like a big issue

[vapid dagger]

yes

[still shard]

Have you played smash bros brawl

[terse ferry]

what about sonic

[vapid dagger]

nah not really

[vapid dagger]

metal sonic tho

[sour nest]

Still more common than reds. 🔥

[sage python]

thatd feel pretty wonky imo

[old python]

No.

[wispy flume]

Hello everyone

[terse ferry]

truth nuke actually

what about luigi

[old python]

Wsp pale man.

[vapid dagger]

luigi aura farms even better than mario

[terse ferry]

surprising answer

[sage python]

would lead to obtuse scrapper strats and weird looting priorities just in case, like exec card with tri shops

[still shard]

Mario kart

[livid idol]

Have you SEEN mr L

[still shard]

That man has malice in his eyes

[terse ferry]

fuck you're right

[sour nest]

Do we know if any of the endings are/aren't canon?

[vital depot]

well the moon escape ending has to be for at least someone right

[terse ferry]

the accept/reject skins give us answers on what would be canon IF that survivor went down AC path

[vital depot]

but technically anyone could have done any of the endings

[cedar coral]

likely commando or captain

[terse ferry]

unfortunately op and drifter don't have accept/reject skins and they're the most likely candidates for AC path so

[sage python]

moon escape ending is non canon, none of the survivors knew to go through the orbs

[sour nest]

There's void fiend though.

[cedar coral]

huh?

OH

[vital depot]

Common player confusion about the spinning balls post-Mithrix battle

[cedar coral]

I nearly lost my first ever post mithrix run because of the orbs

[sage python]

hopoo creating a noob trap after beating the final boss was evil

[terse ferry]

hopoo vs making a good final stage

[vital depot]

They look like an attack and are colored the same so you would initially not want to touch them but

[cedar coral]

yh

[sage python]

risk of rain tho

[sour nest]

Luckily I never fell for that trap somehow.

I just ran into it.

[cedar coral]

I nearly did

[vital depot]

I jumped in only because there was literally nothing else to do

[livid idol]

They looked like portals to me idk

[terse ferry]

hopoo 2 vs making a good final stage

hopoo 1/returns did well

[sour nest]

Thematically, voidling is my fav final boss. Gameplay wise, it's the least interesting.

[cedar coral]

yeah commencement is kind of a bad final stage

[still shard]

What if instead of commencement hopoo made the final stage an arbys

Feel like it'd be more intimidating

[sour nest]

Voidling makes you really feel like you're in the endgame tbh. But the fight is slow and lame as hell.

[cedar coral]

good ambience love the environment but the pillars being so boring its mandatory to skip them every run is mad

[vital depot]

It’s alright but holy fuck Hopoo really did not know a single damn thing other than Holdout Zones when it came to stage progression

[round sandal]

Burrrp

[cedar coral]

yeah lmao

[terse ferry]

final stage with 4 separate sections and players find every possible way to skip one, one is a noob trap, and one is an unnecessary long holdout zone

[gentle copper]

meoww

[terse ferry]

and one is a pretty meh roguelike boss

[cedar coral]

I quite enjoy mithrix tbh

[sour nest]

You think hopoo would make a banger tower defence game?

[round sandal]

Meooooo- (falls asleep mid meow)

[vital depot]

“uhh uhh we already used the teleporter thing on 5 levels what do we do for the sixth”

“do it five times on the sixth but smaller”

[terse ferry]

i specify roguelike boss because mithrix's difficulty is like okay if you don't intend to play the game repeatedly

[gentle copper]

real...

[sage python]

oh also ibzan is peak

[terse ferry]

wtf is ibzan

that sounds like

i shouldn't say that

[sour nest]

Mithrix feels the least like a final boss out of the bunch by now tbh.

[livid idol]

Hi sylvie!!

[terse ferry]

mithrix feels like he's trying to be a final boss if ykwim

[placid quail]

Potential Boss

[sour nest]

I get you. I think it's because of the lack of spectacle.

Every DLC final boss has massive spectacle.

[terse ferry]

like he's the fakeout final boss that is deliberately easier than you'd expect because he gets killed and replaced halfway through his healthbar anyway

[sage python]

complete my missions

[gentle copper]

i brought 'za and nesquik

[vital depot]

the Moon Mold got into his brain and he lost all semblance of battle knowledge

[vapid dagger]

he is a final boss
hes just unfortunately lacking the resources necessary to be more threatening than he is

[gentle copper]

hi brodun !!

i almost replied with "hi sylvie" im so self centered

[terse ferry]

ok this might be my new permanent description for mithrix actually it perfectly describes my opinion of him

[sour nest]

I do get why mithrix is designed as he is, he was the on-release final boss after all. But he's still lamer compared to the rest.

My fav final boss gameplay wise is probably Swing personally. Even if Swing doesn't really count as a final boss.

[terse ferry]

mod which doubles mithrix's phase 3 health but has him be killed by some other final boss halfway through it

[still shard]

Swing requires you to actually think for 2 seconds and that's pretty cool

[sage python]

i still find mithrix the coolest

[terse ferry]

swing also stays pretty engaging even when you get used to it

[vital depot]

i think the only real gripe i have is that Hopoo painted the image of Provi and Mithrix being builders or creators of sorts but Mithrix doesn’t really show that off well in his fight, especially as a creator in the more artificial sense

[gentle copper]

i like providence :)

[livid idol]

What about [FRAUD SPOILERS] instead of mithrix trust

[sour nest]

I like that Swing makes you utilize the actual map design (unless your build is busted insane but then all map design is irrelavent atp)

[terse ferry]

like every time i walk into swing i'll be like "okayyy this'll be easy hope i don't get bored"

then i proceed to actually not get bored!

[terse ferry]

goated

[sage python]

also i do recommend actually trying deadbolt

[sour nest]

ISAT pfp, W.

[vital depot]

Mithrix made the Chimeras but he barely made anything for his actual self

[sage python]

very good game

i miss pink

[gentle copper]

hooray !!!

[sour nest]

I'd say the worst final boss to replay is voidling.

[gentle copper]

i was thinking about changing it to my glorious beautiful wife ishmael but i get too many compliments from the siffrin pfp

[sour nest]

The boss was clearly designed in mind to have you fight it once and never again.

[brazen moon]

i wish the voidling fight was a bit more fun

[still shard]

I also like how swing has an actual purpose in the gameplay loop

If you kill swing, you get meal items. Is there an actual reason or benefit to facing false son or voidling inside the gameplay loop

[sour nest]

ISAT is just niche enough to where ppl who know it will point it out. But just big enough to where there's a decent bunch of those ppl.

[livid idol]

I almost want to say solus heart since the fight is the literal same so you know exactly where to move for the lasers

[upper wing]

i like mithrix a lot but i think he could be even better

[terse ferry]

i still think it's hilarious that every time i fight a giant boss in any game my first thought is "wow this is way better than voidling"

[vital depot]

still wearing nothing but a waist cloth when you meet him on the moon btw like how old is that fucking thing

[livid idol]

Voidling is worse only because the fight itself sucks

[upper wing]

hes my favorite and he could be my favoritest

[brazen moon]

false son has the artifact but other than that i don’t think so?

[sour nest]

I haven't fought Shart enough to judge but I really don't care for that fight tbh. It's boring imo.

[still shard]

The only reason you fight false son is rebirth and skins

[gentle copper]

wandering mausoleum > voidling

[still shard]

You fight voidling to unlock a character (or you could play 50 rounds of the best gamemode ever)

[upper wing]

the only reason you play the game is to have fun

[livid idol]

Wandering mausoleum + the ghost knights

[upper wing]

if the content isnt fun to you, dont play it

thats why i never touch any alt path in ror2

[round sandal]

I miss pink too :(

[sour nest]

I would say in a videogame, the easiest way to make a videogame good, is simply to make it fun.

[terse ferry]

this is why i hate eclipse btw

[livid idol]

Hi the meower!!

[gentle copper]

arrowhead thinks this is rocket science btw

[terse ferry]

the hardest difficulty is one i would rather not touch with an 8 foot pole because it's the most boring climb in video game history and it forces you to fight the easiest final boss

[sage python]

watching a toku show and this guy just straight up shrinks when he turns into a monster lol

[sour nest]

Let's hear the story, idk too much about them.

[still shard]

They placebo'd the mech buffs

[terse ferry]

what is a toku show

[upper wing]

wha

[gentle copper]

heavy armor hive guard had me genuinely tweaking

[still shard]

Reminder that the center of the breakthroughs shield is light pen because its part of the arm

[sage python]

super sentai/power rangers, kamen rider, ultraman etc

[still shard]

And if you break the arm the shield disintegrates

[sage python]

nah they defo stronger now

[still shard]

They buffed durable damage for enemies across the board

[terse ferry]

ohh

[gentle copper]

buffed mech health and then ramped up durable damage across all three factions 💔

[sage python]

not nearly as much as they buffed mechs

[terse ferry]

all i can think of when i read mech is the mech bosses from terraria

[gentle copper]

sentries die in like 3 shots from a devastator now

[sage python]

as someone who actually ran mechs a lot pre-update, its quite a lot

[terse ferry]

ultrakill ror2 collab????

[sage python]

yeah this is what sucks

[still shard]

I will say breakthrough parries are fun, but no other structures were buffed to compensate

[sage python]

i wish they just gave mechs even more health and left durable damage untouched

[gentle copper]

dont even get me started on the naoya zenin bugs

[still shard]

Bastion was already situational and wonky with its armor, now its more so

Also the armor passive (excluding light armor) is a worse version of extra padding

[gentle copper]

don't all vehicles take more damage from acid now too

[sage python]

the mech buffs defo arent placebo they are much tankier and somewhat more mobile, but damn they didnt need to indirectly nerf sentries and other vehicles

[molten hound]

what is up my SLIMES

[sage python]

yuh

[harsh crater]

are they related

[molten hound]

probably not

[still shard]

Evil fucking wizard type beat

[sage python]

but like, mech arms used to drop off all the time and now they dont

they last a good bit longer

[molten hound]

the evil fucking wizard cycle got to me, too.

[sage python]

they couldve buffed them without blanket nerfing other stuff alongside them tho

that was kinda dumb

[raw silo]

I don't know if they're related but i do want to eat them.

[still shard]

Arrowhead treats every balance patch like its a lunar item

[molten hound]

fox what might you be talking about

[still shard]

Just make it better

[sage python]

helldivers 2

[molten hound]

oh

[summer bolt]

Ass game named helldivers 2

[sage python]

i love the new armour

[summer bolt]

Only fat idiot chuds play that game

[terse ferry]

there's a sequel???

[sage python]

hey rude >:( im built like a twig actually

[molten hound]

you play the game too, dont you

[sage python]

not gotten the shield mech yet but it looks sick

heard good things abt it

[sage python]

yeah

they made it a third person shooter

[warm basalt]

jjs 💖

[still shard]

You can parry chargers and fleshmobs

(However the very center of the shield is light pen and part of the arm for some fucking reason)

[cloud topaz]

blinding assault is geniuenly insane i cant believe ive slept on this ability so long