#ror2-console-discussion

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hot sigil
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We can farm this stage XD

meager niche
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Fuck

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No more jellyfish please lol

hot sigil
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lol

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Oh shi

meager niche
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Well

hot sigil
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😠

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I hate them so much

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I die mostly to them

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Last run

meager niche
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Yes

hot sigil
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Lets do the same thing

meager niche
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Ok

hot sigil
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I hate fire effect

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Nice

meager niche
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Same

hot sigil
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I gtg now

meager niche
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No worries

hot sigil
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Good runs

meager niche
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Yes it was

ornate oak
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When console gets the DLC, will it have a first day discount like PC had?

hot sigil
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We can try again later

ornate oak
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Pog

meager niche
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Right?

hot sigil
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It should

fierce juniper
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@hot sigil keep in mind, when the game got released on pc, there was a sale, but when it released on console, no sale. We SHOULD get a discount, but that doesn’t mean we will (honestly we deserve a discount after more than a year of buggy content)

long mantle
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Woah mama

vital pilot
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Did a console date get announced for consoles yet?

static magnet
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Nope

white quarry
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Has a date for when we will get a date on console SoTV release out yet?happiesttroll

fluid python
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Console deserves something after being 2nd rate for everything since release

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Please… just

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I just want updates within the same week

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Even same month.

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Anything

white quarry
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Just does not work like that

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Unlike pc, they have to port 3 different versions of the game

wanton cypress
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today i shall attempt to unlock some alt abilities

outer mango
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Hi, it's me. one of the like 30 people on console who've beaten mithrix on monsoon

white quarry
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Weakling

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I am one of the only 4 people who have beaten console e8

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Kinda ez ngl

viscid cliff
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Did it too

wanton cypress
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I tried e1 and couldn't clear stage one xD

meager niche
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My longest run yet

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Captain is more fun

wanton cypress
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nice

wanton cypress
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failed the "clear stage 3 without taking damage" thing for Huntress because apparently shields count as health so I wasted my lunar coins on transcendence

Time to unlock an artifact I gueds

meager niche
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Get some Topaz brooches when you get the command artifact

wanton cypress
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I had command and 3 topaz brooches

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still, don't they only work if you keep killing a lot of stuff? Early in a stage nothing spawns

trim raft
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Get shaped glass

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Or artifact of glass

wanton cypress
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Got artifact of sacrifice so yay
I had shaped glass

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spawned in and immediately got shot by a wisp so the challenge was completely nullified lmao

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guess I'll just kill Twisted Scavenger this run to get some lunar coins back

meager niche
wanton cypress
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I couldn't

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only found 3 white items before stage 3

wanton cypress
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and dead
Twisted scavenger threw some orange stuff my way and my health kinda vanished

burnt trench
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currently in the middle of a 110 Min run

wanton cypress
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oooo
awesome

burnt trench
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the run so far

trim raft
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New goal

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Get eclipse 8 on every character

meager niche
burnt trench
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thanks!

meager niche
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Furthest i can do is 23

wanton cypress
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I've never went past stage 8

burnt trench
# meager niche Furthest i can do is 23

a tip? royal capacitor, if you get 10 fuel cells and a single soulbound catalyst you get a recharge every kill. some ukuleles and you can clear an entire stage with one tap

wanton cypress
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how do you unlock royal capacitor?

burnt trench
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beat a teleporter boss with 2 shrines of the mountain

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it doesn't do as much damage as preon, but it has a base cooldown of 15s

fierce juniper
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@outer mango but have you beaten Mithrix on all eclipses for ALL characters tho? I haven’t met another console player who has done that.

wanton cypress
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never seen preon, probably haven't unlocked it

neat quarry
burnt trench
wanton cypress
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that sounds overly difficult
like half the unlocks tbh

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also double Mithrix was fun

neat quarry
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You’ll get the hang of it

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I used a mix of artifacts with loader to make it easy

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Double spawns but half heath, command, and enemies drop loot but no boxes

wanton cypress
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finally won another run

Command + Swarm + Kin + Sacrifice is busted

burnt trench
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my run is still going strong command + kin

neat quarry
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Rush the teleporter bc loader can pretty much solo with no to little items for a bit and all your possible loot will be near you while the teleport is charging

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Green should prioritize you razorwire and the seed that gives you leech

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Normal should be movement speed

burnt trench
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if I make it up to round 50 I'm gonna try mythrix

neat quarry
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And boom easy preon unlock

wanton cypress
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that did not go as planned

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Stage 1
Overloading Wisp: Horde of Many
is playing as Loader
oof

neat quarry
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Don’t use Kin if you are trying to rush the preon

wanton cypress
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without Kin I just die tho

neat quarry
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Wanna test your connection and I’ll run you through it?

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@wanton cypress

wanton cypress
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ill finish this run first, then sure, let's try

neat quarry
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Alright

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SW 2830 7621 7810

wanton cypress
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aaaaand dead to blazing lemurians as usual
Aight let's try xD

neat quarry
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Lol

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Duo vc?

wanton cypress
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I don't do vcs, sorry

neat quarry
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That’s fine with me. Just split loot evenly

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Oh and if you are using loader prioritize razor wire and leeching seed for uncommon. And I made the lobby

wanton cypress
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aight

neat quarry
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We can do it in drizzle also for you

wanton cypress
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oki

neat quarry
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You did monsoon lol

wanton cypress
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welp

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that was a start

neat quarry
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You gotta move the difficulty over you had it monsoon

wanton cypress
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oh

neat quarry
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That’s why you died so fast

wanton cypress
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thought only one person could choose the difficulty

little pasture
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How's the run doing?

neat quarry
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No lucky on rally

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So gonna grab the obliterate one

burnt trench
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omg the minimum amount for the Max damage so far this run is 14million

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I'm not even taking damage anymore

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might start just stacking up fuel cells and then go to mythrix with 30 charges of preon

neat quarry
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Sorry @wanton cypress I got surrounded by malachite spikes as I was landing

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The preon is kinda luck based on if you get rallypoint delta early

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I can help you grab other loader unlocks though

wanton cypress
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It's fine, I was getting vibechecked by the crab police anyways

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we try again?

neat quarry
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Sure

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I’m just grabbing a specific command code

wanton cypress
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oh no
I pressed Y by accident

neat quarry
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Your good I got it fast

wanton cypress
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bruhhh
you got a red on stage 1

neat quarry
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Rng

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Look for a chest

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Now we can take our time and loot

wanton cypress
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ohhh
nice

neat quarry
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@wanton cypress don’t Enter it

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Once we nuke that should unlock all of loaders stuff

meager niche
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Got my first survivor skin
Just missing his saw

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Don't mind the 30 syringes

neat quarry
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Look for two pressure plates @wanton cypress

wanton cypress
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found one

burnt trench
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209 minutes in, 38 stages. IT'S ALL GODDAMN SCAVENGERS

wanton cypress
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i didn't even know it was possible to get past 8 xD

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@neat quarry
come sit on this, I'll look for the other one since I think I have more move speed

neat quarry
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You do lol i have the killing power

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That should have unlocked a lot for you

wanton cypress
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lemme check

neat quarry
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If you were dashing and using your stuff right full loader unlocked, a couple items unlocked like the bands

wanton cypress
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I only unlocked her alternate grapple and the equipment from rally

neat quarry
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You didn’t unlock thunder slam?

wanton cypress
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nope

neat quarry
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Hmm it might be that I killed them and not you

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We had utter chaos

wanton cypress
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duh
you had ceremonial daggers lmao

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also the rings I had already unlocked :p

neat quarry
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Ah I didn’t know if you did or not

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You said a lot of the unlocks are ridiculous

wanton cypress
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a lot of them are
especially character alts

neat quarry
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Btw to unlock thunder fist. Get some movement speed zip wire and charge your secondary then release as you are heading towards some one

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Thunder fist literally fixes all your wisp issues

wanton cypress
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i see

neat quarry
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But that’s all the time I have for now

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But you have an idea how to build him now right

wanton cypress
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yep
thanks a lot :D

neat quarry
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And you have the nemesis artifact now so you can farm the loaders in the bulwark armory now

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Np

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I like that build for him even without ceremonial daggers bc the proc chains are easy to make happen and bc your melee it gives you sustain along with letting focus targets while ranged targets kill them self from smacking you

burnt trench
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whoops

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I made a fucky wooky

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I picked up mask

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with 4 clovers

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so much lag...

trim raft
burnt trench
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I'm gonna go kill mythrix now

neat quarry
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Why did you go do long lmao

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Boredom?

burnt trench
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to try see if I could pummel mythrixed bitch ass back to the primordial soup in under a minute

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two screenshots to show all the unlocks

wanton cypress
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Just killed Aurolienite for the first time
nice

burnt trench
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my damage dealt afterwards lmao

burnt trench
wanton cypress
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Just how much movespeed do I need lmao
I have 10 Goat Hooves but that's still not enough to get the alternative fist

burnt trench
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I mean, you need 15 (I think) to get +200%

wanton cypress
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I see
Guess I'll get some more

wanton cypress
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I'm at 25 hooves, still not fast enough somehow

burnt trench
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hmm

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are you fully charging it?

wanton cypress
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yeah

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i start charging, I start sprinting then I release towards an enemy

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I'll take a clip and share once the run ends

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actually I can share ir now

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I have to go soon so I'll end the run xD

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aaaaand dead
level 99, got decimated by lunar chimeras (the big ones) while charging the last pillar

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wasn't my longest run, but it sure as hell was the most chaotic

wanton cypress
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tries Rainstorm run
no artifacts
dies immediately due to extremely large numbers of wisps

commando is a low damage mistake

meager niche
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press the button down that corresponds to his first skill on them

wanton cypress
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I was consistently using all skills
wisps are just too hard to hit with commando and mercenary and literally a non-threat with literally anyone else

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Like
basically every other character has a fast reloading ability that hits in an area
Commando doesn't so aiming at wisps is a massive pain even with aim assist cranked to the maximum

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Yeah i think I'm done with Rainstorm, Commando and Mul-T

The amount of enemies is comparable to Swarm on Drizzle, which is insane, Commando requires pixel perfect aiming and to consistently shoot at weak enemies for almost a whole second and Mul-T is just too slow to avoid attacks and gets disintegrated if anything that's not a beetle spawns

rotund violet
wanton cypress
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I'll try

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anyone got any tips for moving from Drizzle to Rainstorm?

silver thistle
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I'm just wondering If any one knows a release date for the Void dlc on CONSOLE will be

wanton cypress
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we only know it should be Q2, so between April and June

silver thistle
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okay cool thanks

prime sky
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My fucking power cut out and I lost incorruptible on stage 19 to an elder Lemurian

wanton cypress
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oof

neon oak
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Hey if i got ROR2 on console is there a way i could get it on pc? Like is it availble through Game pass or something cause I got it on Xbox.

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I just dont got the money to rebuy ror2 and id rather just transfer if possible 🄺

proper pond
wanton cypress
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back to drizzle I go lmao

long mantle
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When you you the when when you when

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Wheeen

wanton cypress
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how did you get past stage one as mul-t

fleet shoal
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power mode

long mantle
narrow forge
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My switch crashed because I played with Rex until stage 10

sharp scarab
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any advice for mithrix' revolving lines attack? it always screws me over

sharp scarab
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ok but what about ground movement

long mantle
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Preferably on the ramp platforms

hoary basin
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Will the dlc come out for console?

long mantle
hoary basin
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Ok

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Still i dont understand why some dlcs for console on different games dont come out but thanks for telling me

sharp scarab
wanton cypress
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transformed into heretic for the first time, was fun

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transformed into heretic for the first time, was fun

meager niche
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Hello everyone woolie1Wave

meager niche
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@meager niche welcome

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Hi

sharp scarab
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I DID IT BOIS

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AFTER INNUMERABLE TRIES

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THE MOON WELCOME COMMITTEE

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FIRE ELITE BULLSHIT

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KNOCKBACK FUCKERY

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AND SO MANY OTHER UNTIMELY DEMISES

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BANDIT MASTERY ON THE NINTENDO SWITCH!

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I'm actually shaking its taken so long

trim raft
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Nice

outer mango
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I love final phase mithrix when he ignores ohp and one shots me

kindred tusk
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Is their a date for the dlc for console

sand hare
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No

meager niche
meager niche
grand fog
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Eclipse on console is hell but I'm managing

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Don't know what I'll do for commando and rex

meager niche
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It took me 6 months in total to be it on all survivors sadgecrid

trim raft
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Commando shouldn’t be too hard

shy ruin
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Yo switch players have you got slicing winds? Because i just unlocked it

trim raft
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Rex you’ll have to use his robot skills

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Which will be pretty hard

grand fog
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Rex should be okay I just need to practice again used be my main

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And commando is just get essence of heresy per run otherwise time to watch paint dry

trim raft
meager niche
shy ruin
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I can finally play merc and feel right

meager niche
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I just realized, I have to redo all olds survivors eclipse 8 again when the dlc realese on console, beacuse of the golden frame/square around the survivor profile....

I really hope that the bugs get fix, i don't want to revive the pain of eclipse 8 with bugs...

shy ruin
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As long as they don't remove my slicing I'm fine

meager niche
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Ok šŸ‘

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Hello friends

meager niche
trim raft
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True

pale mountain
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Being very far works because of the large amount of safe area between the beams, at that distance

sharp scarab
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Thank you

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I'm just glad I have the funny deadbolt reference

fluid rapids
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Correct me if im wrong, purity does the opposite of 57, it rolls an extra per stack and takes the lower of the 2?

long mantle
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Someone help me please

fluid rapids
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What is wrong?

long mantle
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The person i was playing with disconnected

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And they were playing captain

fluid rapids
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Ok

long mantle
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I got overloading worm and died to fall damage

fluid rapids
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Oop

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When playing her its great to pick up transcendence.

fierce juniper
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@long mantle lol did this captain person who disconnected hook you up with reds?

long mantle
fierce juniper
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Ahh nvm then. My bad; thought you were someone else lol

fluid rapids
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Lol, all it takes is a single hardlight afterburner to give bandit flight.

sharp scarab
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if you have enough wisps to hit you can just go up and up and up

fluid rapids
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but hardlight afterburner requires nothing

sharp scarab
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and hardlight afterburner doesn't have trickshot fun

sharp scarab
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I've landed on top of vagrants just by switching between lights out and smoke bomb

fluid rapids
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Okay, but which is easier, swarming enough enemies to do that, or collect 5 greens and spend a single lunar coin with command?

craggy garden
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is there still crazy knockback

meager niche
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@hot sigil i can never get an Imp Overload

hot sigil
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Same

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Im gonna try again

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Now

wanton cypress
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So I tried another Mul-T run yesterday
and miraclusly got to Stage 2

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guess I won't unlock Power Mode for a while xD

white quarry
wanton cypress
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Also I unlocked Royal Capacitor yesterday

my switch didn't like the intensity of four Grandparents at once

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speaking of Grandparents

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what does that sun debuff they stack on you even do?

static magnet
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Pretty sure it increases the fire damage you take

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Don't fully know though. Best bet is to look on the wiki

hot sigil
feral herald
white quarry
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Says nothing about the 9 clovers

hot sigil
hot sigil
white quarry
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K they do matter

meager niche
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I. Am. Speed

hot sigil
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You should’ve taken a clip of how fast you were going

meager niche
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Well it nearly crashed my game

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I was able to use slide from one side of the map to the other

fleet anchor
upbeat star
white quarry
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Oh and the main culprit was meat hook

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Just don’t pick up meat hook with an excessive amount of clovers and you’ll be fine

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That’s what breaks things

meager niche
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Tearstorm
Poor jellyfish

shy ruin
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Fuck this game i lost my slicing unlock

fleet shoal
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unfortunate

meager niche
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when is surviver of the void comming to ps4?

vestal lotus
pale mountain
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Thats the least you should do in generell rn

burnt trench
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FUCKING FINALLY

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unlocked gesture

wanton cypress
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gets god run
gets like 7 unlocks
gets to stage 18
g a m e c r a s h e s

prime sky
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optimization pog šŸ˜”

wanton cypress
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at least it saved the unlocks

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I unlocked basically everything on Mul-T as well as the 200% attack speed item, Artifact of Honor and Chaos

Plan was to unlock 57 leaf clover, which iirc needs you to get to stage 20, but alas

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I had so much shit, no wonder it crashed tbh
and in case something op spawned, like scavengers, I had

2 preon launchers
and
like
9 fuel cells

shy ruin
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I would have mained merc if my slicing winds didn't vanish

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Now I'm never playing him again

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Because fuck unlocking that again

burnt trench
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I've been through the trial of metamorphosis every single loop

wanton cypress
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It was my longest ever run stage-wise
and it crashed
angy

burnt trench
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fšŸ’”

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NOOOO

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IT WAS MALACHITE PARENTS

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HUNDREDS OF THEM

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I've never been so distraught

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5 hours of work

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all gone

shy ruin
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I had 13 happiest masks one run because the soup things only had them and i had like 60 something scraps

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Mithrix soup not bazaar

wanton cypress
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Void fields would've been impossible if not for my god run

I had Parents, Clay Templars, Jellyfish and Elder Lemurians
with Swarm

shy ruin
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Once had grandparents as the first enemy

wanton cypress
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oh

shy ruin
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Literally had a joel moment there

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I remember i blurted out "Granddad????" when they appeared

wanton cypress
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I guess i could try to get some more unlocks

shy ruin
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I p much unlocked everything that i need

wanton cypress
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I still have the 3d printer one to do xD

shy ruin
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Only thing is like slicing winds and the GOD DAMN ENTRY FOR OVERLOADING WORM that i don't have

wanton cypress
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I still haven't seen an overloading worm

shy ruin
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I have ALL enemy entries

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Except overloading

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Don't even care about getting the rest of the stage logs i want overloading

wanton cypress
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How far into a run do they even spawn?

shy ruin
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They spawn exclusively on abyssal, rallypoint, and sky meadow. All really rare at any point except 5 loops

wanton cypress
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5 loops
switch could barely handle 2 and a half

shy ruin
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I feel ya

wanton cypress
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tbf
I had swarm sacrifice and command

shy ruin
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But not exactly 5 just 5 confirms it

wanton cypress
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I got max crit stage one xD

burnt trench
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my first exclusively overloading worm stage was stage 27

prime sky
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I'm gonna play the original ror1 now

meager niche
prime sky
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It feels nice not being instantly nuked by fire elites

meager niche
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I might play ror1

prime sky
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You really should

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Absolutely zero bugs

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Games hard as hell fho

meager niche
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Would like to have friends to play with tho

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After I unlock Han-D ofc

sharp scarab
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does bleed just not proc for some of yall sometime?? I have a dagger, shatterspleen, and 25% crit, and I can see the crit effect on some enemies but it doesn't proc bleed

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I also think I just experienced the invincible enemies glitch. I'm playing as rex and my primary stopped hitting every once in a while

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this console rebuild better be worth it, I'm not about to lose my mastery run to this bs

pale mountain
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Yea proccs randomly stop working

sharp scarab
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ufgh

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OH MY FUCKING GOD

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I JUST GOT ISNTAKILLED BY THE MOON WELCOME PARTY

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FUCK THIS

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LITERALLY LESS THAN 5 SECONDS

pale mountain
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Did you have a Dios for that procc bug to happen?

sharp scarab
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BLAZING LUNAR CHIMAERA BULLSHIT

sharp scarab
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I'm so fucking pissed

pale mountain
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K it is just random then

sharp scarab
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All of that work for "Oop, funny rapidfire bullshit"

pale mountain
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Yea Im waiting I dont even wanna attempt dealing with this garbo

sharp scarab
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There wasn't even a way to deal with it

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I'm going back to obliteration runs

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that was the most bullshit way I've ever died

sharp scarab
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oh jeez

trim raft
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Silly little glitch

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When I looked at a lunar pod on the moon it highlighted the whole stage

fierce juniper
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Is anyone else having issues with Xbox servers? Can’t connect with a friend

white quarry
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Whole multiplayer is shitty

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Different people have to host and that’s the only way around it

meager niche
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Hey I saw there was a mod on pc for pvp, does anyone know if that will be a feature for console at any point in time?

prime sky
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no

trim raft
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Definitely won’t be a feature

wanton cypress
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Good God I was smart to pick up a Dios

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activates Shrine of Combat
you have summoned Scavengers to fight

prime sky
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Say goodbye to your procs

wanton cypress
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RUN DONE
WOOO
that was intense

unlocked the clover and saw my first four overloading worms

prime sky
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SO ARE TITANS SUPPOSED TO STILL HAVE THE AUTO TRACKING LAZER SHIT AND ENSSENTALLY ONE SHOT YOU

meager niche
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YEP šŸ‘

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Sometimes the laser stick in you and sometimes it just follow you with a little delay, basically a 50/50 chance

prime sky
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It doesn't do that on PC right

meager niche
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It does

wanton cypress
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I basically spammed royal capacitor
it works surprisingly well

prime sky
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I thought they changed it to just follow the ground

fleet shoal
meager niche
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Before the 1.0 update they just follow you, after the 1.0 update they change it to the way we are talking right now.

wanton cypress
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I also have a clip of me melting the Twisted Scavenger with the power of Royal Capacitor, 9 Fuel Cells and Soulbound Catalyst

rugged rapids
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Surviours of the void when xbox

wanton cypress
meager niche
# wanton cypress

The power of Thor.

PD: at the end the scavenger die by a ATG out of the explosion of bettle guard with shatterpleen (i don't know how it call the boss item of imp overlords).

trim raft
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You need to stay close to the stone titan

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It’ll have more trouble keeping up with you that way

meager niche
wanton cypress
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Ok so
Mul-T with Power Mode and double Scrap Launcher is

awesome

burnt trench
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still can't believe my 6+ hour run died at stage 70 because of malachite parents

meager niche
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Have y'all been able to get irradiant pearls

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Cause I just cant

trim raft
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Nope

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It’s a pretty low chance though so it makes sense

meager niche
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They are the only thing I'm missing logbook wise

trim raft
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You’re also missing lemurians and elder lemurians happiesttroll

meager niche
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Over than some environments

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I don't think so

trim raft
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You definitely are

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They don’t exist happiesttroll

meager niche
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You are correct apparently

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But why

trim raft
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Little oversight for when they ported the anniversary on console

meager niche
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Why is gearbox so good at what they do

runic tree
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I understand the console dlc is some time in q2 but have they fixed console to any sort of playability yet?

prime sky
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Nope

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Void Reavers vs Fire Elites in general

zealous karma
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Would I put screenshots of my latest run results in here or where?

meager niche
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You can do it here

zealous karma
#

Is there a limit to what’s allowed?

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Cuz there’s like, 3 total images.

meager niche
#

Max 10 images i think

zealous karma
#

Ok

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My last one where I was just having fun

#

This was my most recent from last night. The reason it doesn’t look like a proper acrid build is because well, it wasn’t originally an acrid build.

prime sky
#

I can't even be remotely be upset at people anymore for going drizzle because even that's hard

zealous karma
#

I use drizzle as a warmup for me

#

Cuz well, I love playing huntress

#

But I hate being a glass cannon

prime sky
#

there's too much bullshit for the game to be enjoyable on monsoon

zealous karma
#

I’m gonna start looking at ways to cheese my way to obliterate on Monsoon

prime sky
#

Simply play a better game
Ror1 for instance

zealous karma
#

Nah

meager niche
meager niche
sharp scarab
#

Runs used to be exhilarating

#

now its just trying to avoid dying to the 9847437 bugs that you can come across

meager niche
#

I will get better soon......

mighty thorn
#

I am going to shoot myself if survivors of the void doesn’t come out on the 25th

swift python
#

idk rainstorm and monsoon just kinda seem bullshit sometimes

#

getting one shot by fuck all attacks

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and drizzle actually begins to hard the moment you loop so it's not like it's piss easy baby mode

#

but that's besides the point i just came here to say it's cool how switch has gyro aiming and literally no other platform supports that :)

#

really wanna see how that works with railgunner maybe ill actually be able to aim

wheat axle
#

gyro is so nice compared to sticks

swift python
#

im sure if i played commando with gyro id actually like him

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cause i blow dick at aiming

wheat axle
#

you get so much precision

#

but without high sense your arms gonna be tired

swift python
#

honestly that's the only place where nintedo supersedes other platforms

wheat axle
#

mhm

eternal lily
#

Anyone else's lunar coin amount jumping back and forth on switch?

wanton cypress
#

I don't even die to bugs that much on monsoon
i mostly die to the insane amount of spawns

prime sky
#

i usually die to stupid ass scaling that spawns a fire elite golem on stage 1

wanton cypress
#

wait
that's not meant to happen?

prime sky
#

...you thought it was?

#

that would be literal hell

tired void
#

It feels normal

wanton cypress
#

I thought monsters spawning as if you had swarm quantity wise and elites early on were features of monsoon

prime sky
#

that would make the game ridiculously unfun and hard in general

wanton cypress
#

so the giant clouds of lesser wisps are unintentional?

#

also tbh i thought that was the whole point of monsoon
beat the game on bullshit mode for a nice skin and a meme lunar item

zealous karma
#

What’s the meme item

prime sky
#

Purity

zealous karma
#

Oh the piece of trash

white quarry
#

My name

#

I dream of frog coming back

wanton cypress
#

Man, Mul-T wih Powermode and double Scrap Launcher has won me 3 runs already, the latest without any artifacts on to boot

white quarry
#

When you win a run with an S tier survivor and with a broken ability

wanton cypress
#

the best thing is

#

without that combo, Mul-T barely gets past Stage one xD

gritty needle
pallid walrus
#

lol

lost otter
#

One message removed from a suspended account.

tribal mortar
#

I think the devs said they are trying to fix if not all, most bugs in the dlc. Dont remember 100% though

pale mountain
pale mountain
lost otter
pale mountain
#

They are also rebuilding the whole console version tho

zealous karma
#

I feel like it’s be cool to have cross platform between all console players

#

I understand why it wouldn’t work out the best with pc cross play with console, due to mods and shit

wanton cypress
#

I agree, would be nice

old burrow
#

@pseudo kindle

pseudo kindle
#

@affirmative#9079

pseudo kindle
pseudo kindle
#

@affirmative#9079

meager niche
#

Mythrix gets halcyon seed right?

#

Well what I mean is when he steals your items does he use it?

zealous karma
#

i dont think so. if so, it wasnt too effective

burnt trench
#

still can't believe my 6hr+ run got ended by my game crashing . died at 70, had a bunch of bulwarks ambry trips that probably added up to more than an hour

fleet shoal
#

And mith has some special dialogue

burnt trench
burnt trench
fierce juniper
#

@lost otter along with the dlc, consoles are getting an update where they are completely redoing the game from its foundations. This, in theory, shoul fix and remove all of the game breaking bugs we see in consoles now. Now, that being said, this doesn’t mean there won’t be new bugs, however, because of how they are doing it, it will be related to pc and therefore easier to identify and fix the problem (in other words, no waiting months at a time for a small fix here and there)

meager niche
#

@ruby timber sorry about @ you but i have a very important question.
when survivors of the void comes out on console will it have the patch that recently came out on pc?

ruby timber
#

i believe so yes

meager niche
#

I am asking beacuse before, console updates didn't have the patch that PC normally had after realese of every mayor update.

ruby timber
#

ive just clarified with the devs - yes all the fixes that we've already made on the PC will be included on the console launch version

#

think of them as your beta testers

#

(you will have your own bugs)

fleet shoal
#

yay

zealous karma
#

is PC kinda yalls guinea pigs?

meager niche
#

Ok thanks SeventeenUncles

prime sky
trim raft
#

Mfw I step in the beeble’s fire elite trail on stage 1

wanton cypress
#

got to stage 35 and crashed xD
I basically had infinite Royal Capacitor

Sacrifice, Command, Swarm and Kin
killed Aurelionite twice

#

Seeing a massive gerd of Malachite Imp Overlords was
something

Scavenger only stages and Void Reaver only stages were hella stressful

#

I took some screenshots since I knew it could crash, I'll share in a bit

surreal coral
#

I wish he did ;-;

#

I wanna be flattened by Big Goldie

wanton cypress
#

You'll get your wish once the dlc drops xD

surreal coral
#

OH NO YOU'RE RIGHT ;-;

#

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

wanton cypress
#

my run right before crashing

small zodiac
#

What if

#

Theoretically

#

Survivors of the void on console?

meager niche
#

Q2 2022.... Q2 2022 my boy.....

wanton cypress
#

can't wait for that
am very much hyped

wide echo
wanton cypress
#

I have to keep resetting runs with Rex until I get a Clay Dunestrider in the desert sonI can yeet it in a hole

pale mountain
#

Yea that ones a little annoying

prime sky
trim raft
#

Why

wide echo
#

jetpack joyride mul t is the closest i can get until sotv drops on console

trim raft
#

Oh I didn’t watch the video with music at first

#

That’s a funny video

meager niche
#

Bandit and Loader are my mains

#

Finally found it

white quarry
#

Just everyone wait for SoTV release on console, there gonna be so many people reporting thunder gauntlet getting fixed as a bug

#

It’s gonna be hilarious

#

Although I am going to miss broken thunder gauntlet

meager niche
#

Thunder Gauntlet is best

white quarry
#

I like shocking every single wisp and lemurian around me in one skillwispcryyy

meager niche
#

Right?

#

I still don't have her skin tho

#

Or Desperado lol

white quarry
#

Imo they should make console thunder gauntlet base game

meager niche
#

Why tho?

#

The unlock is easy

white quarry
#

No the skill is broken

meager niche
#

Wdym by make console T gauntlet base game?

white quarry
#

It shocks everything around you in a sphere, it’s meant to only shock in a cone in front of you

meager niche
#

Yeah ik

white quarry
#

It’s busted

meager niche
#

Yes

white quarry
#

Make it so it shocks in a sphere as part of the game

meager niche
#

Ig so

white quarry
#

Trust me you will see the difference

meager niche
#

Probably

white quarry
#

You will actually have to position yourself instead of just punch things

meager niche
#

I mean it's not hard to position anyway

#

Ik cus I'm learning that
It's definitely one of my weaknesses

meager niche
#

My first solo Monsoon run

wanton cypress
#

username is bungus
plays engineer
checks out xD

meager niche
#

I sure hope so lol

jade hare
#

Engineer Gaming

meager niche
#

Finally got Desperado

wanton cypress
#

Literally every other character:
can easily and consistently get rid of Lesser Wisps
Mercenary:
curls up in a ball and cries

fleet shoal
#

I just try to dodge around them until I can blinding assault them

wanton cypress
#

Having to wait to recharge your utility for every single wisp is
a bit of a pain

fleet shoal
#

true

#

special can help against clumps

wanton cypress
#

tries Artificer
can't kill anything because doodoo primary cooldown

fleet shoal
#

gotta cycle those skills

wanton cypress
#

I tried
got gangbanged by golems

fleet shoal
#

Unfortunate

wanton cypress
#

like every attempt ends the same way
despite swarm halving enemy HP, she just can't kill stuff in time

fleet shoal
#

flamethrower

wanton cypress
#

ah yes, the low damage, low range long cooldown ability

fleet shoal
#

It does not have low damage

#

I forgor how much it does but it ain’t that little

wanton cypress
#

compared to her other attacks

fleet shoal
#

ion bomb does do a lot of damage

carmine mica
#

Dude my attacks stop procing my items

#

On switch

patent flume
#

Whats the name of mercenaries alternative special

fleet shoal
#

I’ve never heard of that but I’m not surprised

fleet shoal
carmine mica
#

Had to end my run because I couldn't kill anything

patent flume
#

Yeah it's so hard to get and it's not even worth it

carmine mica
#

Slicing winds is better than eviscerate

wanton cypress
#

The bomb? I use it whenever it's up
even tho it's shit against flying targets

patent flume
#

Nah you lose i-frames

fleet shoal
#

It is a trade off

carmine mica
white quarry
#

Sw is incredible

fleet shoal
#

Also expose

carmine mica
#

Yeah

white quarry
#

Very strong

fleet shoal
#

And more potential damage

carmine mica
#

Sw with brainstalks???

white quarry
#

It has multi target, can proc bands

patent flume
carmine mica
#

No it cant

white quarry
#

On console

carmine mica
#

It can proc atg which can proc bands

white quarry
#

Every skill can proc bands

patent flume
#

Hey if I ain't gonna abuse bugs who am i

carmine mica
white quarry
#

Due to it counting items external damage as the damage of the skill

white quarry
carmine mica
#

With damage boosts

white quarry
carmine mica
#

Everything can but base mander is unable to proc bands without Grenade

white quarry
#

Just got fire elite equip 30 sec into a runnewt

carmine mica
#

Yeah I'm aware that if you pick up a fystal or glass evis can

wanton cypress
#

Eviscerate good because iframes and merc needs them since he dies if he breathes too hard

carmine mica
#

True but sw is crazy

white quarry
#

🤨

carmine mica
#

Sw takes merc from mid to pretty alright

wanton cypress
#

I wish they buffed Artificer 's primary

carmine mica
#

They should make arti primary infinite

white quarry
#

No they shouldn’t

carmine mica
#

Wrong

wanton cypress
#

yeah
you only have 4 charges and you gotta use 2-3 to kill a Beetle

white quarry
#

That would be broken

carmine mica
#

Don't care

#

Arti deserves it for being the worst survivor

fleet shoal
#

I believe arti is fine

carmine mica
#

Guys arti needs it

wanton cypress
#

how is it broken
you need to unload the whole clip for a beetle or two

carmine mica
#

True

#

If they took the clip away she'd be pretty good

wanton cypress
#

I'd understand if it oneshot smaller enemies like bandit, but it don't so

carmine mica
#

El bandito is in a league of his own

fleet shoal
#

Never really liked bandit myself

#

then again, I am the guy named commando so I guess I have no rights

carmine mica
#

Lights out is the second best special in the game

#

Only beat by captain

fleet shoal
#

nah I’d say best special is loaders

#

Wait no

carmine mica
#

Special not utility

fleet shoal
#

Her gauntlet is uti

#

My mistake

carmine mica
#

Yeah

wanton cypress
#

ehh
lights out is ok

sullen mountain
#

imo Arti has good synergy with other players, but solo can be tough sometimes, might just be me who thinks that drizzle_hmm

carmine mica
wanton cypress
#

I should do a run to unlock his alt special

fleet shoal
#

well for me personally my #1 special is power mode

carmine mica
#

And proceed to do it again because my cool downs aren't real

fleet shoal
#

it can be fun to mix the primary’s or just go dual and tear shit up

wanton cypress
#

Power Mode Mul-T feels like bullying the enemies

as long as you play on Drizzle

fleet shoal
#

Dual sawshappiesttroll

#

I play on rainstorm and even there i kick ass

carmine mica
#

I haven't unlocked power mode cause I never get alters on stage 6

carmine mica
white quarry
#

Eclipse is the real shit

carmine mica
fleet shoal
#

Yes

wanton cypress
#

I tried rainstorm and even with the added armor it's nigh impossible to kill all enemies in time

fleet shoal
sullen mountain
#

out here suffering on eclipse because of bad rng oof

carmine mica
white quarry
#

Just play monsoon then

fleet shoal
#

become better

carmine mica
#

But I play on monsoon cause I'm a fake gamer who is afraid of eclipse

fleet shoal
#

I used to play on monsoon

#

Then I took a break

carmine mica
#

Yeah

white quarry
#

Had merc god run on e2 earlier

fleet shoal
#

When I came back I was no longer goated on the sticks

#

So I’ve gone back to rainstorm

carmine mica
#

Monsoon is funny

#

I'm an enjoyer of instantly dying

#

Never gets old

white quarry
#

Monsoon is pretty easy tbh, now that I play eclipse

fleet shoal
carmine mica
#

True

carmine mica
#

I just wanna unlock everything that isn't sw first

#

Fuck the slicing winds unlock frfr

fleet shoal
#

just get luckyhappiesttroll

white quarry
#

I have a mando run on e1 paused rn and I got fire elite affix 30 sec in and got some items and now I just got to stage 3 at 11:24

carmine mica
#

Incredible

fleet shoal
#

or constantly stalk #prismatic-trials until people start clamoring about the current trial

carmine mica
#

No

white quarry
#

Cracked, even

carmine mica
#

Get malachite aspect

fleet shoal
#

Goated with the sauce

#

Get perfected aspectjeser

carmine mica
#

Lunar scavs are funny

white quarry
wanton cypress
#

I've tried moving on from Drizzle several times
It's lowkey impossible
Drizzle: consistently wins unless I get real unlucky or pick someone who's bad and/or I can't use
Rainstorm: can't get to the Stage one teleporter with anyone because there's double enemies and they do double damage

fleet shoal
#

then keep trying until you make it to stage two

carmine mica
#

Yeah

#

You'll eventually get used to it

fleet shoal
#

play your best character if you have to

white quarry
#

Just kill everything, not really much else to it

fleet shoal
#

Don’t be afraid to disengage from fights

#

Make some distance

carmine mica
#

I have almost 300 hours in this game and i still can't play acrid correctly so it'll take time

fleet shoal
carmine mica
#

But you'll get it down

carmine mica
#

Best survivor in the game

white quarry
#

Use huntress, mult, loader or mando

fleet shoal
#

Just use who you play best with

carmine mica
#

If not top 1

#

He's tied with loader but loader is weird for me so that's why I like cap more

#

Mul-t is 3rd

fleet shoal
#

I do use mul-t

carmine mica
#

Mander addiction

fleet shoal
#

yes

carmine mica
#

Nailgun mult is funny

fleet shoal
#

double nail gun

white quarry
#

Huntress is more consistent than cap

#

So meh

carmine mica
#

Disagree

white quarry
#

🤨

fleet shoal
#

huntress is badhappiesttroll

#

(My opinion is better than yours)

carmine mica
#

Cap melts every enemy he comes into contact with

white quarry
white quarry
carmine mica
#

And hacking beacon is the best special in the game

carmine mica
fleet shoal
white quarry
#

All better

carmine mica
#

No

fleet shoal
#

Ballista is only good because the rest of the character sucks

carmine mica
#

Huntress is in my top 4 tho

#

Mult is just above her

#

Cap is just a funny guy

white quarry
#

I’m gonna pull out the experience card and say that I’ve played all the survivors a lot and can make good judgments

carmine mica
#

Same here

white quarry
#

1950hrs?

carmine mica
#

No but divide that by 6 and we're square

fleet shoal
#

maybe huntress isn’t all that bad

white quarry
white quarry
fleet shoal
#

doesn’t mean I’m going to start playing herhappiesttroll

white quarry
#

If not the best

carmine mica
#

I like huntress I main her after all but captain is just really funny to me

white quarry
#

Had to change my roles reflect my main

carmine mica
#

At the end of the day is just opinions and it doesn't matter since veind is in the game

white quarry
#

I can’t wait to do a bleed expose build on merc today

carmine mica
#

Me when I play mercenary happiesttroll

white quarry
#

It’s super op, hence why it’s not intentional

#

Console exclusive that one is

carmine mica
#

He's alright

#

Sw makes him pretty cool

white quarry
#

you stack 14 bleed
you get expose
360% on 14 bleed stackstrolldespair

carmine mica
#

Cool

white quarry
#

Try it

#

Hilarious build

carmine mica
#

I would have to play merc

white quarry
#

Hmm true

carmine mica
#

And thats torture

white quarry
#

Look I’m sorry but… you have a skill issue

#

Condolences

carmine mica
#

I just don't like melee

#

It can be funny but I'm chillin

wanton cypress
#

I tried Captain a few times
hitting things as him is hard

carmine mica
wanton cypress
#

I already do that
Aiming in general is hard, even more so with Cap and Bandit

carmine mica
#

I don't have an issue personally so I can't help in that department

prime sky
#

Huntress is really good on console because flurry hypercrit

#

1200% damage if you crit

carmine mica
#

Flurry bad

prime sky
#

A little

carmine mica
#

Strafe is more consistent and deals more dot

prime sky
#

get real

carmine mica
#

Flurry needs 60& crit to compete with strafe huntresssip

prime sky
carmine mica
#

I would never

wanton cypress
#

And desperado unlocked

#

And desperado unlocked

meager niche
#

Congrats

long mantle
#

Should I do a huntress run?

meager niche
crude rivet
#

I guess the answer to this is probably somewhere on here, but when’s console’s predicted/planned release?

sullen mountain
#

Q2 (April-June).

trim raft
#

Probably later Q2

meager niche
#

My prediction is late May

stable latch
#

pc update when?

prime sky
#

Imagine if PC got updates later than us

meager niche
#

🤣

nimble island
#

ā€œYeah sundered grove is the worst stage 4 mapā€

white quarry
#

All of those spawn on grove

wanton cypress
#

I think people dislike Grove for the layout and moving Legendary Chest

spring sage
#

the map is also very dark

pale mountain
#

Not a drizzle Andy? Smh cringu

prime sky
#

zased

upbeat star
# wide echo

How do you even do that? I tried it in a new run but I didn’t get launched.

wide echo
#

to start eclipse? its in alt gamemodes

upbeat star
#

The mul-T rocket jump/Jetpack joyride meme you sent

wide echo
#

Oh, you need alot of attack speed and you need to alternate between the two to start flying

upbeat star
#

Ok thank you

wide echo
#

You can start flying at around 20 syringes i think?

wanton cypress
#

seems I won't clear the game as merc for a loooooing while

#

he be too squishy

fleet shoal
#

merc is a VERY skill based survivor

wanton cypress
#

I tried just about everything
add something that bleeds you or a wisp and he's dead

#

his attacks aren't even that good compared to the other Melee bois

fleet shoal
#

it’s all about using those exposes to reset cooldowns

wanton cypress
#

wdym

fleet shoal
#

the blue circles that the 3rd slash of his primary inflicts onto enemies

wanton cypress
#

oh those

#

I always use them

#

aaaand dead
as soon as a fire elite spawns the run is over xD
No ranged capabilities be like

fleet shoal
#

I mean, evis would probably be enough to take it down

wanton cypress
#

nope

fleet shoal
#

unfortunate

wanton cypress
#

one was in enough and as soon as the iframes ended I got toasted by the trail

fleet shoal
#

Well then blinding assault once the evis ends

wanton cypress
#

was on cooldown

fleet shoal
#

then I guess just try to back away once evis ends

#

Idk I don’t use evis

wanton cypress
#

I tried
but
console fire trails be like

fleet shoal
#

Yeah…

wanton cypress
#

Evis also kinda does

#

low damage
you need 4-5 to kill a single golem lmao

fleet shoal
#

eh, I wouldn’t say merc is a heavy hitter

#

He’s all about bring so skittish so that nothing can hit you

wanton cypress
#

so his attacks are wet noodles and need procs to do anything?
Oh dear, it's a melee commando xD

fleet shoal
#

as resident commando player I take offense to that

woeful bloom
#

There are a lotta ways to animation cancel and have other tech on merc though, which can easily raise his dps by about 50% on any enemy

#

Although tbf not everyone enjoys being that sweaty

fleet shoal
#

Yeah

wanton cypress
#

don't most animation cancel things end up giving you carpal tunnel

fleet shoal
#

I just go for the 3rd hit blinding assault extension and that’s about it for ā€œadvancedā€ tech I do

fleet shoal
#

a small price to pay for merc players

woeful bloom
#

The dumbest shit is when you instantly kill a flying boss by body checking them into the ground

wanton cypress
#

I think I'll wait for the dlc with all them bugfixes before trying out merc again

fleet shoal
#

smart idea

wanton cypress
#

If I feel like melee I'll just go punch shit with Loader xD

fleet shoal
#

go ahead

woeful bloom
#

Loader is pretty fun

fleet shoal
#

I never really liked loader myself

woeful bloom
#

Melee acrid if you're feeling spicy

fleet shoal
#

I really need to play more acrid

woeful bloom
#

He's great in co-op

wanton cypress
#

I was trying to win the game at least once as everyone for the logs

wait
wdym melee Acrid
isn't ge mostly melee?

woeful bloom
#

The higher the enemy health, the better his poison is

fleet shoal
#

And special

#

I forgor about the special

wanton cypress
#

ah, the low damage spitballs

woeful bloom
#

Maybe in the first few stages, melee kinda works, but later on you wanna 100% rely on the poison he spits

wanton cypress
#

me who melee'd Mithrix
oh

woeful bloom
#

UNLESS you use his alternate abilities and passive. Then melee is pretty viable for the whole run

woeful bloom
fleet shoal
#

yes

wanton cypress
#

Acrid is one of the survivors I haven't unlocked any alt for

fleet shoal
#

hmm yes today I will play base melee acrid clueless

woeful bloom
#

Default acrid is the most relaxing experience in risk of rain 2

#

Spit, run around the stage for a bit, spit

#

Enjoy the sights

#

Very nice

wanton cypress
#

his poison does basically no damage tho

woeful bloom
#

It's % health damage

#

So it gets stronger the more health enemies have

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Which means it'll always be useful no matter how weak you are in any run

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And why it's great in co-op, when enemies get a big health boost for every extra player

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So many times 3 other ppl will die, and you can trust acrid to just run around and dodge for a bit until the boss melts away

fleet shoal
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and plus you get satisfaction from the constant tick tick tick sounds

woeful bloom
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Yeehhhhhh

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He gives my weary arthritic merc main hands a rest

fleet shoal
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Nice for you

wanton cypress
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don't you have to constantly reapply it and finish off everyone with melee?

fleet shoal
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yes

woeful bloom
fleet shoal
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but that’s no issue when they are 1 hit

woeful bloom
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But yeah early on you do have to either spit again or melee them

wanton cypress
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I didn't even use my poison properly last rub

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*run
I just used the damage of the projectile

fleet shoal
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brug

woeful bloom
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Welp, now you know the biggest strength of acrid šŸ˜…

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Best dog

fleet shoal
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dog

wanton cypress
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2 spits per wisp
because waiting wasn't an option
since ya know
being surrounded by 20+ wisps early on ain't good for your health

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Totally

wide echo
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I’ve become rising thunder pilled

fleet shoal
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just get to level 2 lmao

wanton cypress
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level doesn't matter against wisps
at any point they'll just shotgun your ass from beyond range

fleet shoal
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throw your entire body against the horde

wide echo
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I dont find wisps a issue they deal piss damage

wanton cypress
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they deal a ton of damage
like

1/8 of your health bar per hit
and they're always in large groups

fleet shoal
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also if you having trouble with wisps, just use commandolol

wanton cypress
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commando sucks at killing wisps

woeful bloom
fleet shoal
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I find commando to be amazing at taking down wisps

wanton cypress
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that's the issue
wisps on stage one are usually what prevents runs from getting past stage one xD

woeful bloom
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How do I use rising thunder and not have it feel awkward?

wide echo
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You have to walk up to the enemys face and use it

fleet shoal
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then focus them

wide echo
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Because its mostly vertical

fleet shoal
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do not care about anything else

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just take care of the wisps

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wanton cypress
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I do as long as there's no Lemurians around

wide echo
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Its not as lenient as whirlwind

wanton cypress
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but they be hard to hit

runic oracle
fleet shoal
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Even when theres other stuff around

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just get rid of em

wanton cypress
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Lemurians are more dangerous tho
they're hard to dodge, have more health and do more damage

woeful bloom
fleet shoal
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Wisps is n o

wide echo
wanton cypress
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also overloading lemurians spawn early as hell and they're a menace

wide echo
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its a bit funny

woeful bloom
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I bet it can get wonky with backup mags

wide echo
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Yeah you can oni combo them mid air

woeful bloom
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Seems fun

fleet shoal
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I’ve sent wisps to space with rising thunder

wanton cypress
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As merc I can't hit wisps
I just run away and pray

woeful bloom
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Ever tried whirlwind on a sharp slope?

wide echo
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Trimp

fleet shoal
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ah yes

woeful bloom
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Best thing in the game

fleet shoal
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the trimp

woeful bloom
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Other than slamming

wide echo
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Rising thunder to oni combo a templar

woeful bloom
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I think that's why I can't love rising thunder like I do whirlwind šŸ˜” no trimp

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wanton cypress
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templars
most dangerous enemy in the game alongside the moon bois

fleet shoal
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trimp fans rise up

woeful bloom
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Maaan it's like clockwork

wide echo
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good sidegrade

woeful bloom
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Aloy worship unti spawns, there's a perfect trimp ramp right nearby

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Perfect to set up a quick slam

wide echo
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Back up mags with thunder get crazy

woeful bloom
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After 1 backup mag with whirlwind, more become sorta useless for dps