ror2-modding

[wise ferry]

Yeah but this is more for a devs own insight in a way that aggregates it for all players

[warm hill]

I'm iffy on data collection in software

Even opt-in features have occasionally been caught being there purely as placebo

[nimble field]

could be a good way to balance some mods more

[robust grail]

anyone here know the max level for each form in the goku mod?

[wise ferry]

Nothing wrong with opt-in, and I don’t think it’s bad at all if it’s truly anonymised

[warm hill]

To an end user, there is no acceptable guarantee that data collected from them is anonymized.

Also on my point about opt-in being placebo. There has been examples of softwares granting a user the choice to opt into data collection practices only to do it regardless of the choice.

Better to not open up that can of worms

[surreal marlin]

Absolutely true. Yet often improvement relies on feedback, and there's no more honest feedback than how users interact with your game/mod

[warm hill]

Feedback is granted via people's reports. Better to have people report it than collect it from them automatically and open the possibility of bad ethics

[surreal marlin]

not to excuse shady data practices, I think opt-in is fair, as long as it's transparent what you're opting in for

that there's places where opt-in doesn't do anything and it's always turned on... well.

[warm hill]

Microsoft for example does exactly this.

[surreal marlin]

that's garbage for them but doesn't mean the opt-in scheme is invalid

[wise ferry]

There’s never any acceptable guarantee with anything you use

[surreal marlin]

yep. Hence why I'd rather have choice + transparency

[warm hill]

Harvesting data from people's usage of software is a big leap of trust that they won't do anything malicious or collect more than they report they do.

I can't say the risk is worth the potential reward.

[surreal marlin]

That's not always true, there's a huge spectrum of how sensitive certain data is

[wise ferry]

It depends on the data collected imo

If someone wants to know what kind of artifacts are picked more then go for it

[warm hill]

There's also the fact that if we're talking about data harvesting here, it means you're forcing your software to call home

From a remote location

[wise ferry]

Yeah but it doesn’t have to be malicious

[surreal marlin]

indeed, in most pieces of software this is done regardless

updates, leaderboards, etc.

[warm hill]

It doesn't have to be, but I'm not sure how much I trust it outside of official sources

[surreal marlin]

wdym official sources?

[brisk stag]

Known publishers?

[warm hill]

If I'm connecting to an online service, I can expect that I send data to them, and they send data back. Like in your example, a leaderboard.

[wise ferry]

If it offers data collection then you can be sure that someone is going to dnspy the dll

If that is found to not be anonymous then people will be called out for it

[warm hill]

After Rein put 400 partial classes in their sniper mod to obfuscate it to outside viewers, that doesn't hold much water

[wise ferry]

If it’s obfuscated then there’s concerns sure

Even then you can call people out

[brisk stag]

Rein did that? Wasn't aware :/

[wise ferry]

But like, I’m sure a bunch of sites you use have hotspot mapping for clicks

And that’s useful data for example

[surreal marlin]

hotjar for example yes

[warm hill]

I can't really see the usage of this in Risk of Rain 2.

[surreal marlin]

but even that isn't legally collected in all/most cases at least under the EU data protection law as far as I'm aware

[wise ferry]

Well we’re not saying it’s good for every mod

[surreal marlin]

we ran into that issue at the company

[wise ferry]

But depending on the circumstances it could be

[warm hill]

Like?

[surreal marlin]

Clicks at extreme z values, way down and way up for example

[wise ferry]

Maybe you have something that adds a bunch of artifacts and you want to know which is used the most

Maybe you can find common elements between the top used ones to know which new artifacts to add

[warm hill]

This sounds like something you'd just extend the stats system for

not create a call home system for

[wise ferry]

No I mean for development time

You won’t want to spend effort making something people aren’t going to use

[warm hill]

That's a bold assumption

[brisk stag]

Well the modder could create a form for users to fill and get feedbacks too?

[wise ferry]

They could

But at the same time that’s not qualitative data

[surreal marlin]

Knowing where and what a user clicks on allows you to spot strange behavior. Did you know people ion surging spend most of their time looking down? Is the aiming scheme still proper when looking down?

[warm hill]

The aim in this game is a raycast from the muzzle position to the crosshair

which means the closer you are to something, the weirder it would get behind it

[surreal marlin]

Yeah I'm not saying it's something that needs to be fixed or something we don't know, I'm trying to illustrate a point.

[wise ferry]

Maybe you’d like to make a mod that has some stat tracking to publicly show the current player count and who they’re playing as

[surreal marlin]

maybe you want a mod that increases in difficulty based on an estimator

you'd need data to fit that estimator

[wise ferry]

Maybe you could extend it to see common items people use when playing as certain characters

[warm hill]

If the data is publically available for use in mapping sure, I've seen things use that

[surreal marlin]

clicks / apm may be a good indicator of difficulty (not saying it is)

[wise ferry]

Yeah, but nothing is saying data collection has to be private

[warm hill]

but the way it was worded is that people would create these data collection systems to funnel the data to themselves

[surreal marlin]

who worded what?

[wise ferry]

I mean I wouldn’t necessarily see a problem with people having their own stats

[surreal marlin]

That's pretty much an obligation in the EU xD

[wise ferry]

It’s all well and good saying that it’s in the logbook for example, but a dev doesn’t have access to that on other people’s machines

[warm hill]

To themselves? No ethics dilemma there.

To a private machine somewhere from any number of remote locations automatically?

We're approaching more of a weird zone.

[wise ferry]

GDPR doesn’t apply if the data is fully anonymous

[brisk stag]

But to get that data you have to transfer it via internet. And it can't be fully anonymized right?

[surreal marlin]

So score leaderboards are privacy breaches?

[brisk stag]

That's where we go back to the "official sources" problem

[warm hill]

Would you trust any mod publisher to handle data on a whim?

[brisk stag]

this ^

[surreal marlin]

Probably not.

[warm hill]

Precisely.

[surreal marlin]

On the other hand, I'm not familiar enough with game programming and modding that I'm certain there's no way for the game to ensure what type of data can be passed on back to the mod.

[wise ferry]

Anonymised data applies to when you store it

Not when it’s transferred over http/s

[brisk stag]

Yeah sure. But do you wanna direct transfer infos to some random people?

[wise ferry]

You don’t

Also just use HTTPS

HTTPS is encrypted

[warm hill]

I don't know, I feel like this conversation will loop over and over, but I don't quite think I'd trust the scene with that.

[brisk stag]

Yeah right. But you'd still need IP adresses to transfer infos. Do not really wanna share it with anyone

[wise ferry]

I mean in that case you just wouldn’t use the mod

[wise ferry]

So then don’t use the internet?

Every time you view your bank info, rip

[warm hill]

Bringing up the possibility it could exist has made me more wary about the mods I download now.

[wise ferry]

You should always be wary of the mods you download

[brisk stag]

Can you get my ip adress via discord? No.

[wise ferry]

Mods aren’t any different to downloading files from some random YouTube link

[wise ferry]

You absolutely can

[warm hill]

Even more so that we're dlls that can execute arbitrary code

[brisk stag]

That's why I don't dl random shit

[wise ferry]

If someone intercepted your request on a public network then they’d be able to see your IP

Aside from public intercepting, what’s the difference between Facebook being able to see your IP and a developer using it for private use

And what does it matter if the IP is discarded and never seen anyway

[ashen verge]

has anybody tried to run malware through a mod

[surreal marlin]

Facebook sells it

[brisk stag]

What if this person wanna fck aroung with my connection?

[wise ferry]

They can’t

[warm hill]

One is a company that is public facing and can be held accountable. Another is a person that you have no guarantee can be held accountable outside of potentially banning their dev account, but they can just make another.

[wise ferry]

I don’t think you really understand networking too well

[surreal marlin]

"can be held accountable"

[wise ferry]

It’s a big topic and it’s a lot to explain

[brisk stag]

Ddos a public IP? Not that hard if you have what it needs

[warm hill]

Ideally

[surreal marlin]

ok yes.

[wise ferry]

You do realise that most things don’t have access to your IP right?

[warm hill]

You have more of a chance of holding a corporation accountable than some random developer using a random username with no guaranteed connection to themselves.

Same with publishers or game companies.

[brisk stag]

Wdym by "most things"
If you direct transfer infos you surely needs IP

[wise ferry]

Yes but that’s not really visible to most people making a website

I have no idea if it’s even possible to pull out an IP if using expressjs for example

[surreal marlin]

@warm hill we're mostly discussing should or shouldn't. I understand your concerns and I largely agree with you. That doesn't mean there are no valid reasons to share data with a game developer or even a mod developer.

[brisk stag]

Yeah but we get back to the starting point. If the creator wanna see my IP he can
Just use analytics of the website you own

[warm hill]

I'm mostly just on the side of good old fashioned user feedback/reports

That is truly an opt in thing

[surreal marlin]

yeah I can respect that

[wise ferry]

And now consider this, to even do anything on your IP, you have to have ports open in order to even make a connection

[brisk stag]

You are right everyone won't be able to see my IP
But the guy hosting the website would be able to

[brisk stag]

I mean... I need to open ports if i wanna send data reports

[wise ferry]

If they send you some spam requests then your PC needs to accept them in the first place

No not really, the web stuff is sent over port 80/8080, but if you don’t have anything listening to handle connections to those ports then the requests are just dropped

[warm hill]

Spill it, how many bean burritos did you get the money to buy using the knowledge I added Thiccify to one of my modpack codes I uploaded to you

[brisk stag]

Yeah but DDOS attacks aren't spam on your PC. It's spam on your router

[warm hill]

😛

[wise ferry]

Your router caches things

If it tried to find something listening to that port on the IP and didn’t find anything then it would just drop all further requests for 5 minutes for example

Again, networking is a big topic and I’m not sure you fully understand it

[brisk stag]

Yeah but to drop it it needs to analyze it first. And that's what causes your router to be down

[wise ferry]

Yeah, it analyses one request

Then some very small header info

[surreal marlin]

Anyhow, thanks for the time but I gotta bounce.

[wise ferry]

It’s stupid to even worry about stuff like that though

[brisk stag]

Modern home routers aren't designed to resist DDOS attacks. And too many request, even if rejected, will overload your traffic so that others infos won't pass

[wise ferry]

I’m sure you’ve downloaded plenty of mobile apps for fun

[brisk stag]

Yeah I know but you need to visualize every possibility x)

[wise ferry]

Modern home routers are definitely designed to prevent against DDOS attacks

[warm hill]

My C7000v2 definitely is

[wise ferry]

They just don’t give you access to other functionality

The difference between a cheap router and an expensive one is just how much control you have over it, and maybe newer features like WiFi 6 or better radius

In reality they all run like the same kernel underneath though

[brisk stag]

Well I already got ddos by some friend of my "trying if it worked" and my internet connection was almost dead for about 30mins

[warm hill]

And how stable the wifi is in a crowded wifi area

[brisk stag]

Just depends on the size of the attack

[warm hill]

My neighborhood has about 70-90 wifi zones on 2.4ghz

Damn wifi hops channel so often lmao

[brisk stag]

Modern routers prevents DOS attacks for sure. But DDOS can bring down everything if you have enough power

[warm hill]

And it's funny because the other wifi networks hogging the channels will do it too

causing the issue all over again

[brisk stag]

(I've been studying networking for about 3 years now. So I assume I got at least basic knowledge)

[wise ferry]

unlucky

Networking was like my least favourite topic

[brisk stag]

Yeah it can be pretty boring sometimes i'll give you that

[warm hill]

I can't see how Project Management didn't make it to least favourite

that one was my least favorite in my CS degree

[wise ferry]

We never had like a proper project management thing, just group projects

[warm hill]

Lucky

I had 5 classes of it, 5 weeks each

[wise ferry]

Law and ethical software was honestly one of the best modules

[warm hill]

Do not subject yourself to PM courses

It's basic common sense with any corporate workflow

[wise ferry]

I mean I’m done with uni now so all good 😎

[brisk stag]

Still a year and a half to go ^^'

[dense trout]

I did code review that entire thing

And the embedded assemblies inside it

[warm hill]

You poor dude

I once asked Rein why they did that

[spiral goblet]

uh

[warm hill]

They said "To troll people looking at it with DnSpy"

[brisk stag]

Looks like a way to prevent people from stealing your work?

If "stealing" is the word

[dense trout]

Sure

Except those who copy out of dnspy always run into trouble because they don't understand

[brisk stag]

Depends. If you copy everything sure. If you only copy some parts it's easier to understand

[main agate]

does anyone know how the debuff from detritive trematode works from ss2? the description doesnt say a duration but on some enemies it just blins on them immedietly gets cleansed

[timid swallow]

it's weird

definitely depends on proc coef

[main agate]

interesting

[timid swallow]

it's like, has a random chance to proc on enemies below 35% hp

[main agate]

i thought my favorite jelly dino would finally be bussin instead hes just sad

[haughty leaf]

It should always apply so long as you've attacked them recently. Pretty sure it works on an "In combat" rule that checks if you're actually fighting it for the debuff to apply

[timid swallow]

just use blight bite

[jade prairie]

I feel like it's a guaranteed proc

Also, it's 25% max health, because that's the critical threshold now

But definitely based on proc coeff

[main agate]

for activation chance or duration? cause im seeing it activate every time i actually look for it but the duration seems to change for me

[jade prairie]

Duration

[main agate]

thats so lammeeee

[jade prairie]

but the duration seems to change for me
Well there's your answer lol

[jade prairie]

🤷 yeah, sometimes it can be

Personally, I wish it wasn't affected at all and just went on infinitely until they died

[main agate]

yeah same i just want acrid to have a chyance in the spotlight once lmfao

[timid swallow]

acrid bad

[main agate]

almost 300 hours on him alone i have hope he'll be bused as fuck one day

[timid swallow]

[haughty leaf]

I feel like it just kinda becomes meh later you get since everythings either imploding or not dying at all late game 😛

[timid swallow]

that's a lot of time without any progress

[main agate]

i know man D;

[languid comet]

is there anyway to ensure saving like modded stats like items being in the logbook?

[vestal gulch]

It'll be saved in the save file as usual, even if you leave modded

It just won't be brought up if you don't have the respective mod

[reef yoke]

@languid comet do note that UnlockAll deletes logs and eclipse levels due to something

i dont know the exact cause because im not smart

[lone forum]

Is there a guide somewhere that shows me the ins and outs of modding for ror2?

i havent started modding yet but I will soon after i beat the game

[reef yoke]

@lone forum there is a pin to the modding discord in this channel

[lone forum]

Hmm I tried looking but it isn't loading. I'll restart discord and look later, thanks tho

[vestal gulch]

Basically
Thunderstore.io is the repository for all mods in the game
R2Modman is a mod manager that simplifies a lot of processes, such as installing, updating, and configuring mods

As for the ins and outs of modding
There's not really any outs except for getting carried away with too many mods or potentially breaking the game, whether actually breaking or making everything OP
For ins, well
There's a variety of tweak and content mods, whether to spice up gameplay or make full on overhauls, or even directly editing character stats and skills (AsterAether's CharacterCustomizer). You can still earn achievements and unlocks while playing modded.

[nimble field]

also sharing modpacks between players

super handy tldr get it

[vestal gulch]

Yeah

Please for the love of god stop uploading modpacks to thunderstore if you don't intend for them to be used by the public

tl;dr of going into modding is
If you've tired a bit of the base game? Go into modding
Want to spice up the current experience? Go into modding
Want to simply make a few tweaks without changing much or making multiplayer runs better? Go into modding
Want to make yourself OP as hell every run even though that makes the game more boring overall? Go into modding

[runic spade]

Looking for some mods that just improve the base game and don’t add anything crazy to the game, any suggestions?

[vestal gulch]

ChangeFoVSettings
BetterUI
ItemStatsMod
DebugToolkit
Mint Tea
MandoGaming Lite
BanditTweaks
Mercenary Expose Fix
No Levelup Heal
Quality of Rain
Just to name a few

HIFUHuntressTweaks
AurelioniteStuck
WarBannerBuff
HealthBarImmune
LobbyAppearanceImprovements
AutoSkipIntroCutscene
HIFUREXTweaks
FasterPickupText

It would probably be better just to go on thunderstore or in the r2modman mod searcher and select the "Tweaks" tag

[runic spade]

Dammnnnnn ok

[vestal gulch]

There's quite a lot of mods that fall under the "Vanilla+" category

15 pages worth, to be exact (although some of those mods are probably improperly tagged)

[errant anchor]

whats the mod called where it replaces commencement with the old commencement (pre anniversary update)

[vestal gulch]

Doesn't exist

[errant anchor]

really?

i was in a server with it

[vestal gulch]

Just use DebugToolkit and when you finish Stage 5, open the console and type next_stage moon

[errant anchor]

like the big walkway moon

no mod that does that?

[vestal gulch]

Yeah, it's not an existing mod
Probably some server stuff

[errant anchor]

damn

[kind tusk]

Anyone know how to fix the bug with the itemstatsmod where it says "ITEM_LIGHTNINGSTRIKEONHIT_NAME" for a bunch of items (it changes on the type of item too lol)

[vestal gulch]

That would require directly modifying the mod code, so uh

[acoustic raft]

just use better ui probably

[vestal gulch]

Yeah

Besides that, your best bet is to find the dev and/or have the experience with C# and Unity to look for it yourself, or either live with it or uninstall it

[kind tusk]

does better ui do the same thing as betterstatsmod?

[acoustic raft]

probably better ui does nearly everything

super configurable too

[vestal gulch]

Betterstatsmod is worse betterUI

[kind tusk]

lol sick, ill just download that then lol

ty

[vestal gulch]

Get rid of BetterStats while you're add it, it'll cause conflicts

[kind tusk]

i assumed it would lol

[jaunty cargo]

Don't the two work together tho

[vestal gulch]

ItemStatsMod, yeah

Oh shit I misread lmfao

@kind tusk
You can keep ItemStatsMod with BetterUI

The two work hand in hand kinda

[kind tusk]

oh shit, i mistyped too lel, i mixed the names of the two in one of my messages

[lyric shale]

Bitter Root (Lost in Transition) best health item confirmed.

From 110 to 678. 😩

[mossy lagoon]

LOL?

[split torrent]

Any good survivor mods suggestions?

[timid swallow]

han-d

[vestal gulch]

Risk of Ruina (Red Mist and Arbiter)
Starstorm 2 (Executioner and ||Nemesis Commando||)
CHEF
Miner
Enforcer (Enforcer and ||Nemesis Enforcer||)
SniperClassic
HAND OVERCLOCKED BETA
Paladin
Henry (Henry and ||Nemesis Henry||)
Manipulator

[timid swallow]

yup

vale-x is gonna update mani soon tm

[vestal gulch]

Ik

It's gonna be awesome

To sum up the characters listed
Red Mist is a very input-based character that revolves around timing and endlag cancelling
Arbiter is a debuff-managing character that has potential to do massive bursts of damage or wear out enemies with their own attacks
Executioner is a character that has high potential damage, but relies on getting lots of kills to do so
CHEF, HAN-D, Miner, and SniperClassic are more or less as they played in RoR1, with some tweaks and new abilities
Paladin is a versatile melee survivor with good defense, healing, and damage output, though is somewhat lacking in mobility
Enforcer, while somewhat similar to his RoR1 playstyle, is much more reflexive and mobile thanks to the nonexistent cooldown on his shield
Henry is a well-rounded survivor that can deal decent damage and procs at most ranges
Manipulator is pretty much a more active and close-ranged version of Artificer, with elemental gimmicks that make for a fun playstyle
||Nemesis Commando is a more close-ranged and aggressive version of Commando. If Commando is the basic gun bitch, then Nemmando is the basic melee bitch.||
||Nemesis Enforcer is just a tanking behemoth with a minigun. Low mobility, but massive damage output and tanking||
||Nemesis Henry has no cooldowns, instead revolving around a meter management mechanic and swapping your skills on the fly for great flexibility.||

[thick stag]

Red mist is if you took loader and put it on crack

Probably the most unbalanced mod I have ever played

[jade prairie]

does manipulator work in multiplayer yet?

[vestal gulch]

Says it right on its Thunderstore page: Does not support multiplayer

I believe Vale is working on it, but I don't know when the next update for Manipulator will release

[safe harness]

is manipulator an interesting character mod?

[vestal gulch]

Manipulator is pretty much melee Artificer (Actually, that was the intent, so)
So yes, very interesting

[modern sandal]

getting a mod that removes monster level cap here I goooOOOOO

[next copper]

Manipulator is just Twink Artificer with a sword

Which means he's 1000x better and actually more useful than Artificer

[modern sandal]

i thought you were joking when you said they were a twink

stats look cool

icons just being letters though... Reminds me of the good (bad) old days

[vestal gulch]

Well, tbf the dev (Vale) is still working on Manipulator

[vestal gulch]

Skill issue but we're not going into that here

[feral heath]

yo what mod is shrine of the legend? first time ive seen it

[warm hill]

MysticsItems

[cloud flint]

what item is causing me to lose health over and over? its stupidly annoying. i just installed starstorm 2 and updated a couple mods, so im not sure if its an item from starstorm, a bug from an update, or some incompatibility with starstorm from another mod

[acoustic raft]

bitter root from Lost in Transit update probably

[cloud flint]

the health drain ONLY shows up when im standing still

does lit stand for something?

and bitter root is from starstorm 2, right?

[prisma oracle]

no, lost in transit

[vestal gulch]

Bitter Root is in ClassicItems and Lost In Transit, though only Lost In Transit has the broken version

[cloud flint]

ok, so dont grab bitter root in the future, got it

[vestal gulch]

At least not until the LiT team fixes it

[cloud flint]

alright, thank you.

[silent glacier]

Oh, neat, I didn't realise people were talkin' about him in here

I don't come in this chat often enough

But uh, I just released 0.4.0 for him
https://thunderstore.io/package/ValeX/Manipulator/0.4.0/

[spiral goblet]

whats the black box referring to

[silent glacier]

It's a new thing you can interact with in one of the stages

[spiral goblet]

any hints or do i gotta explore on my own

[silent glacier]

If people have trouble finding it I'll add a more official hint in 0.4.1 but uh

You should be able to spot it from a distance 👍

[spiral goblet]

do i need fuel array

[silent glacier]

Nah, it's its own thing

[spiral goblet]

so it's just an interact thing

damn alright

[silent glacier]

Yeah. I put it in hopefully a decent place. I nearly put it in a really annoying spot lol

[nimble field]

wait didn't komrade say he's the only person that knows how to make interactables?

😏

[silent glacier]

🤔

[spiral goblet]

mind telling me which stage its in

[silent glacier]

🤐

[spiral goblet]

the number 🥺

[mossy lagoon]

he said no one knows how to do it

which was hyperbole since there's only like 2 other mods that add one

[silent glacier]

Can't say I'm afraid, but if you really wanna play Mani you can enable 'Force Unlock' in his config

[spiral goblet]

but that's laaaaaame

[timid swallow]

no.

discover

[feral heath]

force unlock not working

W E L P

[spiral goblet]

man this is so fun

[silent glacier]

It isn't? Oh, crap, yeah

I replaced the unlockable stuff so I could release it now :s

Lemme fix it real quick

[spiral goblet]

woooullld it be saaaafe to asssuuuuuuumeee the black box is in siren's call

[timid swallow]

no assumptions
check every stage possible

(slate mines, forgotten heaven and dried basin too)

[spiral goblet]

true

[silent glacier]

It's not hidden/out of the way, and it's in a vanilla stage

[timid swallow]

but it's not using vanilla model

[nimble field]

just dnspy tbh tbh

[feral heath]

race between me finding the black box and vale fixing the force unlock

whos speedrun reigns supreme

[spiral goblet]

time to third party

[silent glacier]

Oh I've fixed it already, just wondering what else I could add to the update

Also if you really want to look at his code, you can check his github

[wary pulsar]

Hey guys, are there any bug in modded mode (r2modman) that cant unlock finished challenge ? I cant unlock Huntress' Ballista skill in modded mode. The same happened with Phase Blink. I had to run Vanilla mode to unlock it. And it worked. Can somebody help me with this problem ?

[feral heath]

i just died you win

[spiral goblet]

is it in a hidden realm

[feral heath]

who tf asked

[timid swallow]

maybe you have unlockall in your modpack?

[silent glacier]

No, it's not in a hidden realm. I'll confirm that at least.

Won't provide anything more than that I'm afraid

[timid swallow]

possible mani spoiler: ||what stage 4 doesn't have unlock for a character||

[spiral goblet]

oh motherfucker

[wary pulsar]

Im testing by deleting mods and try again. And i dont install that mod

[spiral goblet]

dude i spent like 5 hours in siren's call finding for shit

[timid swallow]

none other mod should have this property of disabling getting achievements so idk

searching*

[spiral goblet]

"abyssal already has rex"
"and grove sucks"
"it must be siren's"

[timid swallow]

grove sucks lol

[spiral goblet]

...which is why mani's unlock is in that stage?

[timid swallow]

dude i spoilered the thing for a reason

grove is ok stage

[spiral goblet]

No.

[timid swallow]

kino

[silent glacier]

I never hinted that it was in Siren's Call

[spiral goblet]

i know

my brain defaults to siren's because i do everything in my power to avoid grove

[silent glacier]

Ah

[timid swallow]

you will never find a spotter drone from mysticitems

[spiral goblet]

oh no i found that first thing

but that was by pure accident

[timid swallow]

first thing what

[spiral goblet]

i was doing bandit run to unlock mysticsitem stuff

[wary pulsar]

I see in the Screen Menu showing Mod errors:4

So im finding now

[spiral goblet]

and i just. got spotter drone

also i asked abt hidden realms cus
arti is unlocked in bazaar
and the achievement is like "high court" or smth
so i thought maybe it was in void fields or something like that

[timid swallow]

huh enigma's api
what mods in your pack are dependent on enigmatic thunder?

you can see mod errors in the bepinex log

[wary pulsar]

Ok im checking it now

[silent glacier]

Manipulator, lore wise, is related to Artificer. Unlock isn't in a hidden realm though.

[spiral goblet]

sadge

[silent glacier]

Released an update that fixes the force unlock and removes the debug printouts.

@feral heath Fixed force unlock and released the update 👍

[wary pulsar]

I just deleted Megaman XZ mod. Now im testing it out

[silent glacier]

I dont want to spam updates so I'll stop for now

[spiral goblet]

thx dumbazedd

[timid swallow]

mfw i didn't even turn on the game

the power of brain

[wary pulsar]

Hey thank you so much man. It finally works. I deleted that mod and also enigmatic thunder

[timid swallow]

huh

[wary pulsar]

The modded mode works fine now

[timid swallow]

weird that api was causing the problem, i never seen that

i said you to check because it's redundant and shows irritating info that doesn't mean anything on the top left

[wary pulsar]

Or maybe because of that megaman xz mod

[feral heath]

yo thanks homie 😄

[wary pulsar]

[feral heath]

until now i havent found it good luck bois

[spiral goblet]

it isn't showing up on radar scanner

my head hurts from just being in grove

hate this

[silent glacier]

I don't know if it'll show up on radar scanner, lemme check

Ah, it does. Neat.

[spiral goblet]

ok this is taking too long im force unlocking it

NO

[mossy lagoon]

SUp

[silent glacier]

Don't worry those aren't nearly as bad to unlock

it's not a hidden thing

[feral heath]

imagine not using minimap mod

[spiral goblet]

minimap mod makes the entire game too easy

[feral heath]

yeah but we play mods

[timid swallow]

never seen minimap mod btw

[feral heath]

also the only working minimap mod is kinda dogwater so you still search manually

[vestal gulch]

Imagine needing a minimap mod to find interactables when you could just use game experience

[idle cairn]

Hey all, I wanna make a mod pack for me and my friends for when we get round to playing the game with mods but have no idea how and I'm struggling to find a decent video on it so I'm here now if anyone is able to point me in the right direction It'd be massively appreciated.

[vestal gulch]

1. Install R2Modman
2. Install mods through R2Modman
3. Go to Settings -> Profile -> Share Profile Code
4. Have your other friends that are also using R2Modman click Import Profile -> Import from Code on the profile select page
5. Have them copy + paste your profile code into the prompt

6. Wait for them to finish importing the mods
7. Profit

[idle cairn]

Oh I really did not think it'd be that simple much appreciated

[vestal gulch]

np

Just remember profile codes on last 2 hours, before you'll need to grab a new one

[hollow burrow]

Alright, honest question. I wanna start getting into modding RoR2, and I want some suggestions for mods to start off with.

[vestal gulch]

Uh
Oh boy
Do you care about just jumping into the deep end or do you want to ease in?

[hollow burrow]

Gimme both.

[vestal gulch]

Off the deep end we go
Mercenary Expose Fix
Mobile Turret Buff
Risk of Ruina
Starstorm 2
Supply Drop
Lost in Transit
Aetherium
Manipulator
AspectAbilities
ConfigAspectDropChance
TheHouse
MandoGaming (or the Lite version)
Fetch a friend quest
Bandit Tweaks
Ancient Wisp
HitboxViewerMod
DebugToolkit
Phase Round Lightning
HIFUHuntressTweaks and HIFUREXTweaks
Any of the Variant mods
FW_Artifacts and FW_Tweaks
LobbyAppearanceImprovements
StandaloneAncientScepter

This is only just a few

Do you want me to list more?

[timid swallow]

you could like

[vestal gulch]

I'm not on my PC rn

[timid swallow]

I forgot the word.

give me 5 minutes

categorize the mods into categories😎 and have txt saved somewhere 😎

[vestal gulch]

I should do that at some point lmao

[nimble field]

off the deep end WHAT

[vestal gulch]

When I said "deep end or ease in" I meant do you want to just jump straight into a pile of mods, or do you want to slowly get into it by starting with simple cosmetic tweaks or QoL, then getting into content

[kind tusk]

bro..... where's the black box (for the manipulator for mfs using the search bar to do the same thing as me kek)

[calm salmon]

can i play with my friends who are on pc if i have the vr mod?

[vestal gulch]

Assuming you yourself are on PC, I think so? I believe the VR mod is client-side anyways

[calm salmon]

nice

[urban arrow]

Does anyone know of mods that give elites the ability to stack ontop of one another?

[vestal gulch]

There aren't any except for technically Lost In Transit, with Blighted Elites

[urban arrow]

that's the one, thank you

blighted elites getting me killed on stage 1 hasn't been fun, gonna see if I can disable them

[timid swallow]

do a normal run and you will find it

it's like hella easy you won't miss it

[kind tusk]

lel im doin a normal run :-:

[timid swallow]

you forgot the funny artifact from fw_artifacts

[kind tusk]

gimme a hint kek

[timid swallow]

||it's a stage you cannot miss||

[kind tusk]

that could be a couple

might know whatchu mean doe 🙂

[tiny lotus]

whats new in nightly starstorm?

[timid swallow]

fucked nemmando

two new items

strange can removed

executioner rework

nearly every item rework

[tiny lotus]

ty

[stuck nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn9trJXUrp0

[jade prairie]

looks like a full greed run

epic embed fail

[stuck nymph]

not fail

i <>'d it

[jade prairie]

why are you hiding the embed lmao

[stuck nymph]

because embeds are big

and distracting

RemoveAllyCap + Typhoon difficulty caused this

since typhoon is +100% enemy spawn rate

[jade prairie]

oh, wowo

just noticed the 106045 max health

dayumn

[stuck nymph]

that is because of the uhh

whatever the 8 stacks of rocks are
this was my first time using Starstorm2

they add health but give you ice physics

so it's those 8 stacks and then
the mod that turns you into a monster after you die

which scales your health further for some reason

[errant anchor]

#ror2-feedback-and-ideas message

what mod does that, i need it

[vestal gulch]

sigh
Making Thunderslam scale with fall velocity just makes it way past OP, but whatever
https://thunderstore.io/package/AndrewToaster/Loaders_Heavy_Slam/

[errant anchor]

that i found but what about the punching part

[errant anchor]

also i know its OP, but it seems fun to play with

[vestal gulch]

Oh, there's nothing for the punching part

Just Thunderslam

[errant anchor]

hm

thats unfortunate

[spiral goblet]

wth why

[jade prairie]

Relic of mass, yeah, I guessed

[feral heath]

dammit they reworked dungus too literally WHY

[vestal gulch]

Original % based Dungus was pretty busted, so they decided to make it flat and scale with level instead. That proved to actually be more busted than the % healing, so they reverted it.

[jade prairie]

lmaoo

[spiral goblet]

it had it coming

[tiny lotus]

I kinda love the new starstorm stage

[tiny lotus]

Yes there's an artifact in fw artifacts for that

[shadow tangle]

Hmm.

The final boss fight isn't triggering. That's concerning.

[vestal gulch]

What mods are you using? Probably a conflict or deprecated mod

Just like, take set of screenshots or something, not on my PC rn so I can't test

[shadow tangle]

Okay

Thanks for offering to help, btw

[vestal gulch]

np

[shadow tangle]

That's page 1

Page 2

Page 3

[vestal gulch]

Hmmm

[shadow tangle]

And page 4

[grizzled bolt]

it's better to check the console

[vestal gulch]

Check your BepInEx console, yeah

[grizzled bolt]

show a screenshot of the console, if you find any red text in there

[vestal gulch]

My thoughts are either Enforcer or Mithrix_Blacklist

[shadow tangle]

Considering the error messages I think it's Mithrix_Blacklist

[grizzled bolt]

yeah looks like it

[vestal gulch]

Seems like that to me

[shadow tangle]

Which is unfortunate

But oh well, I'll deal, until the mod gets updated

[vestal gulch]

Try this
https://thunderstore.io/package/Phedg1Studios/ItemDropList/
or this
https://thunderstore.io/package/Unordinal/AI_Blacklister/

[shadow tangle]

Oh, thanks for the alternatives

[queen cove]

quick question, want to start modding, how do?

[brisk stag]

Download R2modman

[queen cove]

tank

any recommended mods to start off with?

[nimble field]

maybe these?

[queen cove]

i was expecting like a small list but i like beeg mods and i cannot lie

thanks

[brisk stag]

Just sorts by rating/download and try these

[nimble field]

aetherium
alternativepurity maybe
ancient_wisp
archaicwisps
artifact_of_the_king
artifactreliquaryhealingfix
autoskipintrocutscene
bandit_tweaks
bettercommandartifact set at 2 in the config
betterspite
betterui
chaotic_spite_bombs
clay_men maybe
deathmessageabovecorpse
debugtoolkit
discordrichpresence
elitereworks
ephemeral_coins
fasterpickuptext
fixeddescriptions
fixedspawndissonance
forgotten_relics
geneticartifact maybe
groovyskills
healthbarimmune
hifuhuntresstweaks
hifurextweaks
hifuvariants
hifuvariantsbosses
huntressautoaimfix
inlobbyconfig
itemstatsmod
lazybastardengineer
lobbyappearanceimprovements
lostintransit
lunar_wisp_falloff
mando_gaming/mandogaming_lite
mercenary_expose_fix
multiplayerstatusindicators
mysticsitems
no_levelup_heal
paladinmod
raise_monster_level_cap
redgesture maybe
sacrifice_tweaks with base drop chance set at 5, max drop chance set at 10, swarms base drop chance set at 3, swarms max drop chance set at 10 config
scannerplusone
showequipment
sivsitems
slightlyfasterinteractables
stageaesthetic
standaloneancientscepter
starstorm2/starstorm2_nightly
supply_drop maybe
varianceapi with item drops off config maybe
variantpack_nebbyswrath
voidfieldsqol

[brisk stag]

Just send a code hum?

[nimble field]

or just this yea, some things might seem amogus like supply_drop

(r2modman profile file)

forgor to say this, set amalgamated greater wisp spawn rate at 0% in nebbyswrath config

[brisk stag]

If it's ur config then mod config should be as you configured them

[timid swallow]

categorize your damn modlists

[vivid topaz]

i feel like a saitama skin for loader would be pretty sweet

i might make one

[north bough]

how do you use a mod launcher again

and how do you manage mods

[timid swallow]

install r2modman, it's in pins

[vestal gulch]

Yep

[feral heath]

does unstable design actually help you or is it really just you kill the chimera for money

[timid swallow]

chimera kills enemies

[feral heath]

...as long as youre not in range right

[spiral goblet]

and also you :d

for some reason it loves to have aimbot on everything but enemies

[feral heath]

thats what im fucking saying brooooo

the moment i peek out of the corner instantly ignore other guys kill survivor

[timid swallow]

aetherium

(that's so komrade sees the funny)

[feral heath]

i mean im fine with it i just kill it

komrade reading this:

[daring kraken]

Really wish there was a Heavy TF2 skin for Templar

[fierce oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/744037927264452709/900765858207506472/unknown.png

Game, I... don't think I'm captain-

[nimble field]

aetherium

komrade you should get betterdiscord and keywordtracker

[prisma oracle]

that’s against discord ToS

[jade prairie]

discord tos is for pussies

[warm hill]

Done. try it again

[nimble field]

aetherium

[warm hill]

I need to add a lowercase version

Okay, one last time.

[nimble field]

aetherium

komrade

[warm hill]

Nice

It gives you a little notif

I can't see this potentially biting me in the ass later on lmao

[vestal gulch]

Yes
Definitely

[jade prairie]

Anyone else think a Dead Cells mod for ror2 would be sick?

[vestal gulch]

Would be cool, though I don't think any mod dev has bothered trying yet

[jade prairie]

Kinda surprising considering the games are pretty similar in concept

[vestal gulch]

Not really
Item stacking and stage crawling is common among pretty much any modern roguelike/lite now

[silent glacier]

I saw this and thought keyword tracker would be neat, went to install but betterdiscord gets caught out as a virus :s

Not sure how I can get around it

[mossy lagoon]

whitelist it in your antivirus or whatever it blocking it

[vestal gulch]

Usually when WindowsDefender catches it you can just click "more info" and proceed anyways
Although I guess it's a different antivirus

[silent glacier]

Yeah McAfee's BT thing, can't find the whitelist for it

[silent glacier]

Hm, got it disabled for now, it's not installing at all lmao

Oh well

[austere dune]

What do I do if the character challenges have "You have not met the prerequisites for this challenge" even after I unlock them

[vestal gulch]

Screenshot?

[timid swallow]

oh it's a placeholder unlock in the logbook from something iirc

[austere dune]

it's like this too for Sacred Oath

[nimble field]

use based cruel sun

[timid swallow]

or something just being fucked

just carry on

it's nothing to be bothered with

[rancid meteor]

now is the minimap mod based or cringe

[vestal gulch]

Cringe

Doesn't even have proper icons to tell you what's what
Just use game sense to figure it out
Or y'know
Radar Scanner

But, in all fairness, it's up to you whether you want to use it or not

[rancid meteor]

i think that may be intentional, not having specific icons
so that its not super op

its nice for when you have less time to devote to the playthrough imo

[vestal gulch]

It's not OP, but it's also kind of a crutch

[rancid meteor]

oh for sure

[vestal gulch]

Game experience is already enough for you to predict chest spawn areas

[rancid meteor]

its a nice qol feature
ive just gotten back into the game and havent enough time to memorize the map n whatnot

[vestal gulch]

Fair enough

[rancid meteor]

also
favorite character mods?

[vestal gulch]

Starstorm 2 and Manipulator

SniperClassic and Paladin are also good though

[rancid meteor]

havent seen the manipulator yet
i do have the other two installed

miner and enforcer have been a good time

[vestal gulch]

Risk of Ruina is good too, but like
Red Mist is pretty busted

Fun, but busted
A little janky for some because of the movement-based inputs

[rancid meteor]

the dragon ball z mods
are quite a trip
didnt expect them coming back to the game

[vestal gulch]

Not a fan of the DBZ mods myself

But that's personal preference. If I want to play an anime character, I'll keep playing Mercenary, thanks

[rancid meteor]

i wasnt the biggest fan of playing them either
but they are a novelty

interesting to see trunks on the main menu

[copper herald]

Android 16 when

Wanna Dunk -> Hell's Flash some Vagrants

[jade prairie]

I dont like any mods that dont fit ror thematically

All the mods that just drag and drop a character from another series are kinda cringe i wont lie

[prisma oracle]

I agree

[rancid meteor]

theyre novelties
not meant to be srs

be happy this isnt the tes modding community
thered b
nude huntress skins

and we'd all be sad

[mossy lagoon]

theres nsfw mods

[nimble field]

sorry to burst your bubble

[timid swallow]

hard disagree, hella boring take

[rancid meteor]

oh shit
there are?

god damn it

[patent cove]

many

[rancid meteor]

why do ppl have to make game degenerate

[patent cove]

idk, some people just like to experience horny and game at the same time

[warm hill]

You could have let them stay innocent

Blissfully ignorant of the NSFW mods

[rancid meteor]

id somehow managed to miss them
and am now filled with an unending anger

because there isnt a nude enforcer

[warm hill]

I'd rather not be exposed to the long dick of the law

[rancid meteor]

we love a big man

[prisma oracle]

you'll be very disappointed

this community only likes thick ladies and femboys

[warm hill]

Having the NSFW role in the modding server is like having the mark of the beast

[rancid meteor]

im a big tes modder
i cannot begin to describe the screenshots ive seen in other servers

nsfw modders b like
today i will objectify women in video games

[warm hill]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vestal gulch]

As long as people and the internet exist, so will that cursed rule.

You kinda have to either live with it or actively ignore it

[rancid meteor]

i will live with it and be actively vocal of my distaste

[prisma oracle]

I mean you want a horny buff man skin

[rancid meteor]

i was being facetious but ill play along

little else does a man need than the long dick of the law

[prisma oracle]

ah I see

[rancid meteor]

[grizzled bolt]

Enforcer is sick of this chat

[rancid meteor]

oh so he's coming?

[vestal gulch]

Enforcer on his way to send everyone to horny jail

[warm hill]

No, he's going

[rancid meteor]

youre so right

[modern sandal]

anyone getting a weird bug where the teleporter objective doesn't show and when you come out of your pod i nthe beginning of the run the camera just... doesn't follow you? Actually gonna check the modding discord

[ebon river]

Moding in ror wont mess up my main game right?

[vestal gulch]

Not usually

UnlockAll has been known to be a bit fucky with logs and Eclipse though
And for the love of god use R2Modman instead of manual installs

Don't get deprecated mods either. They likely just straight up won't function, but better safe than sorry

@ebon river

[dire viper]

Does anyone play startstorm2? Seems like some of the items don't work

[brisk stag]

which one?

[jade prairie]

a lot of items got reworked, from what I've heard, so I'm not surprised

[vestal gulch]

At least SS2's networking is doing better than Lost in Transit

Lost in Transit is a mess rn, code-wise

[jade prairie]

yeah 😔

[vestal gulch]

Runs LiT
Drops in stage 1
36 base damage at player level 1 (Yes, it was LiT doing something weird, I checked)
Skill damage %s being screwed up

[night gyro]

Any good survivor mods suggestions???

[vestal gulch]

Risk of Ruina (Red Mist and Arbiter)
Starstorm 2 (Executioner and ||Nemesis Commando||)
CHEF
Miner
Enforcer (Enforcer and ||Nemesis Enforcer||)
SniperClassic
HAND OVERCLOCKED BETA
Paladin
Henry (Henry and ||Nemesis Henry||)
Manipulator

[night gyro]

Thanks

[timid swallow]

have you deleted the old config file?

[vestal gulch]

Probably should lmfao

[timid swallow]

nebby said that's the problem if you have fuckers with your stats

but huh
I haven't and I forgot to delete old config too

it only resulted in life savings being 4% instead of 5% (it should be upped to 15%)

[vestal gulch]

Hmmmmmm

[timid swallow]

gotta read that repo on github regarding the issue

[shadow tangle]

Welp

The final boss still doesn't spawn

[brisk stag]

Are you using r2modman?

[shadow tangle]

I'm using Thunderstore Mod Manager

[brisk stag]

So yes

[brisk stag]

How many mods?

[shadow tangle]

88. I'm a mod addict.

[brisk stag]

Could you send screens of modlist?

Or logs of when the bug happened

[shadow tangle]

I have a log here. It's kind of giant though

Want me to just slap it into Pastebin or w/e?

I was just taking screenshots but there are a lot of screenshots.

[brisk stag]

just send me in DM. Or get a role in #role-assignment and send it here

(you can't post files/pictures without a role)

[jade prairie]

r2modman and thunderstore modman are different

[brisk stag]

yes but he's using a modmanager

that's what matters

[jade prairie]

sure

[brisk stag]

If he was manual modding i would've been "get a mod manager" x)
Not trying to actually help

[shadow tangle]

I might have an idea which mod is causing this to happen. But I'd be okay with a second opinion.

[jade prairie]

lol

[shadow tangle]

OK, role get

[brisk stag]

Ok so now you can send the log here (i think?)

[shadow tangle]

Fair warning, the log is enormous.

[brisk stag]

yeah yeah that's normal

don't worry i'm used to read my own logs of 120+ mods x)

[shadow tangle]

OK then, here's the log

[brisk stag]

So hum quick question. When mithrix didn't spawned did you closed the game quickly or did you wandered around before closing?

[shadow tangle]

I wandered around a bit, then quit to menu, then quit to desktop from the main menu

[brisk stag]

Oh... fck

[shadow tangle]

He just stayed as the swirling blue dome in the middle of the arena the entire time

[brisk stag]

I need your modlist too ^^'

[shadow tangle]

OK, sec

Page 1

Page 2

Page 3

Page 4

Page 5

Page 6

And finally page 7

I'm thinking Melting Pot might be the culprit but I'm not sure, that's why it's disabled in one image and enabled in the other

[brisk stag]

Melting pot is definitely messing around (many NullRef exceptions)

I'm curious what mods needs MMHOOK_Standalone?

(Click on disable it'll tell you which mods depends on it)

@shadow tangle were you playing katarina?

[shadow tangle]

Nope, I was playing Enforcer

[timid swallow]

cau brasko

get debugtoolkit

[shadow tangle]

MMHOOK_Standalone is being used by ProperSave and TheHouse

[brisk stag]

Disable katarina mod

[shadow tangle]

I really like ProperSave but TheHouse I could give or take

OK, I'll disable Katarina, not really using her anyway

I'll disable Melting Pot too

[timid swallow]

try disabling enabling mods back and forth, to check if mithrix spawns, do crtl+alt+~, then write next_stage moon2, then god, then noclip

when mods just came back to anniversary update, i had the same issue

[shadow tangle]

Wow, those console commands are really similar to the ones that GZDoom uses.

I'll try that, thanks

[timid swallow]

but the mod which was causing it was a fucking fresh bison steak, like it didn't make sense at all

[shadow tangle]

Wow.

[brisk stag]

Looks like you have a lot of R2API assemblies errors at the beginning

[timid swallow]

if so, maybe worth reinstalling modpack lmao

[brisk stag]

They're all related to IntrigueMe.something

[timid swallow]

aren't those questionable drugs items?

[shadow tangle]

Yeah, I just looked it up. Gonna disable that too

[brisk stag]

Try 1 by 1. No need to disable all mods at once x)

[shadow tangle]

I had to do "one by one" style troubleshooting earlier today

Because I installed Lost In Transit and it completely fucked the camera

[brisk stag]

I think katarina is the culprit

I think it's (from more likely to less likely):
-katarina
-drugs thing
-melting pot
-another mod 🤷‍♂️

[shadow tangle]

Not a huge fan of melee only chars so Katarina can go

[timid swallow]

oh yea nebby updated msu but forgot to update other stuff and it kinda broke

[brisk stag]

(I had problems with katarina too tbh)

[timid swallow]

i think fix will come today

[shadow tangle]

I had another LoL character installed before, named "Riven", who was extremely broken and badly animated. It's a shame, she looked pretty cool

[brisk stag]

The only lol character I like and find usable is "sett"

All others are messing with my mods x)

I must admit that i usually play with a friend so it create even more errors than in singleplayer

[spiral goblet]

y command pause mod broken 😢

[brisk stag]

There are also these 3 errors tho i'm not sure it's related

Are you playing MP?

Part of meltingPot am i right?

[shadow tangle]

I'm only playing single player

[brisk stag]

okay okay... So have you tried disabling katarina and going to mith?

[feral heath]

bois idk if yall know this too but any idea what mod fucks up logbooks? my monster logs and environments are gone gone

[brisk stag]

send logs 😄

@feral heath

[timid swallow]

unlockall

[fiery sequoia]

Thanks man

[brisk stag]

Are you the creator? x)

[fiery sequoia]

Yeah i made the sett mod

[brisk stag]

Very cool 😄

[fiery sequoia]

If u have the 1.2.7 version its bugged. Please update to the latest one

1.2.8

[brisk stag]

When did you updated?

Updated all my mods like 1 day ago

[fiery sequoia]

Like six hours ago

If you have issues too delete his config file

[queen cove]

question, if you are playing a character that gets updated, will your game crash?

[timid swallow]

no?...

[queen cove]

wrote it completely wrong

[timid swallow]

wait gets updated?

it's still prty unclear

you mean a deprecated mod or something?

[queen cove]

no, during the game, sett got updated and my game just said no

[brisk stag]

I hadn't any issues tbh

[queen cove]

that was 6 hours ago

[timid swallow]

mod won't get updated if you won't update it by clicking manually

[fiery sequoia]

If you updated sett mod try deleting his config and see if it works

[queen cove]

aight so my game just crashed and the mod got an update at the same time

[fiery sequoia]

Hmm im not sure i didnt make any changes to sett that would be game breaking

[queen cove]

coincidence

oh lemon, did you intend for us to be able to use 2 of setts abilities basically at once?

[fiery sequoia]

No but i know that theres an issue being able to cancel any attack into face breaker

[timid swallow]

tech*

[queen cove]

yeah, with the shift it gives you a free grapple

[fiery sequoia]

You mean the dash right

[queen cove]

yeah

[fiery sequoia]

In that case thats the intended functionality

Its a two part move that is a dash on whiff and a grab on contact

[queen cove]

im talking during the dash, use face breaker

[fiery sequoia]

Ah ill look into it

[queen cove]

the moving s u c c kinda broken

[fiery sequoia]

[shadow tangle]

Alright, deactivating Katarina, QuestionableDrugs and MeltingPot has fixed Mithrix

[queen cove]

dont do questionable drugs kids

[fiery sequoia]

[queen cove]

do you have a sedge?

[fiery sequoia]

Nop

[queen cove]

sedge :(

[fiery sequoia]

[feral heath]

i dont have it

[timid swallow]

maybe before you had it

i dont really know if anything else does it

[feral heath]

OH maybe the profile i downloaded last night hmmm

[timid swallow]

yeeee that's how i got rid of my eclipse progress back then

[feral heath]

wait it reset your eclipse??????

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[timid swallow]

immeasurable pain comes from not paying enough attention to what you install

when i download profiles now i always scroll and look wtf is in there

[feral heath]

i meaaaan my farthest eclipse is 5 on huntress so i dont really mind

but yeah lesson learned

what more mods do you think breaks games

[timid swallow]

there was a mod that removed scrappers via artifact

not only it removed scrappers, it also removed every other interactable

oh ig you meant like fucks with progress

it's really just unlockall

[north bough]

How do I use mod codes

[timid swallow]

setting>profiles>export profile as a code

if someone gave you a code, go to profile selection screen>import/update>import new profile>from code

[north bough]

I'm asking this because in #lfg-pc-ror2 there's a vc44 modded lobby and I want to join

Now I'm importing something and it's stuck at 72%

[timid swallow]

takes some time

probably ost mod or some trash

[north bough]

101 mods jeez

[timid swallow]

they might have tons of issues with new utils update for lost in transit

also keK

Captain's diablo strike buffed
Acrid's melee playstyle buffed
why

[north bough]

Diablo strike?

Alright it's been 5 minutes and its still 72%

[timid swallow]

you can see if the modpack is good by whether it has han-d or not

[north bough]

Reset it so it could actually work

[timid swallow]

prolly

these guys hosting "all unlocked" profiles should also say that unlockall deletes all logs and eclipse progress

[north bough]

What

[north bough]

across all games?

profiles*

[timid swallow]

only profile you currently playing as

but it's fucking aids anyways

because if you will start the game with which was exited on the wrong profile, the progress will be nuked on that one

you need to go to vanilla, set the right profile, and then start modded so your "main" profile is not nuked

way easier just to disable unlockall, it's client side anyways

[hollow terrace]

The sett mod is amazing ty

[fiery sequoia]

thanks man

[devout talon]

Anyone know if there are any cool Halloween mods?

[timid swallow]

classic items is pretty horrific

[grizzled bolt]

[lavish dew]

ok i almost choked on mah tea while reading that

[vestal gulch]

When searching through thunderstore, flick on the cursed tag

[grizzled bolt]

god no

[kind tusk]

Lol i was messing around with the starting items mod and found out that with MUL-T, dual nail gun, 1000 syringes and power mode you can fly around first stage

[jade prairie]

lol

[vestal gulch]

Nailboosting yes

[jade prairie]

any mod manager users here? id like to know about it

[mossy lagoon]

what about it

[vestal gulch]

All you need to know about R2Modman is if you don't use it, use it because it solves so many issues and simplifies a lot of processes

[jade prairie]

oh, thanks. this is probably me bein' paranoid about mods lol

[vestal gulch]

It'll actually help with some issues that you'd normally encounter with manually installing mods

Usually when manually installing mods, you have to put everything into the same folder as the game files

R2Modman separates the files for you so it doesn't interfere

It's got a handy dandy config file editor too

[jade prairie]

thats all i needed, thanks again king

[vestal gulch]

R2Modman has been known to give false virus reports, but as long as you're downloading it from Github or thunderstore, it's completely safe

[reef yoke]

its because its unlicensed right

[grizzled bolt]

nearly everything downloaded can send false virus reports nowadays

[reef yoke]

windows defender be like 'wee bit sus program, that solitaire'

[kind tusk]

MUL_T Flick

[jade prairie]

my crosshair and my survivor are divorced from one another and dont wanna cooperate, how does one get em back together?

[timid swallow]

by downgrading moonstormsharedutils to 0.3.0

[jade prairie]

ah

[wise ferry]

Yeah it’s not actually a virus warning, the smartscreen warning just says it’s an “unrecognised app”

But it costs around £200 a year to remove that warning

so no thanks

[mossy lagoon]

now that is a Microsoft moment

[jade prairie]

uh, yeah, blighted elites can go commit cold turkey after chugging spinel tonic

wish there was a seperate thing that lets me just have the items from L.I.T, cause blighted elites are fuckin' nutso

[vestal gulch]

The config files

You can enable/disable anything in its config, and even control what elite affixes are allowed for Blighted elites

[jade prairie]

thanks, just putting it out there though, blighted elites are aptly named, cause they are most definitely blighting your existence when they appear

i wanted to try and see if it was a me thing with these things, but no, they are getting banished to the shadow realm

[vestal gulch]

In RoR1, they were essentially minibosses

They were far more dangerous there, trust me

[jade prairie]

no, i definitely trust you, bro. They def. still live up to the hype of a miniboss and then some, blighted stone golems in the first stage taught me that personally

[spiral goblet]

does anyone know what mods support inlobbyconfig

[mossy lagoon]

I love overcharged golem

[mossy lagoon]

https://thunderstore.io/package/KingEnderBrine/InLobbyConfig/dependants/

[jade prairie]

oh, you'll love having an invisible, fast moving and firing stone golem with about as much health and damage as, say, a scavenger with jade elephant and 4 billion crowbars clapping your cheeks out of this plane of reality before you even have a foundation of a good run going

[spiral goblet]

6
only

[runic spade]

I just saw lost in transit got an update, did anything of note get added

[jade prairie]

i can definitely tell you blighted elites didnt get changed, first hand

[jade prairie]

does the sniper mod still run fine, or is it kaput?

if anyone feels like answering later on, i wont mind

[lavish dew]

ok I don't know the answer to that question but there's like 2 sniper mods so uhhh

[jade prairie]

the green one by Rein

[vestal gulch]

Yeah, it still works fine

Just Rein's Sniper is known to cause memory issues

[jade prairie]

eh, ill give it a try, see what happens

[ebon river]

anyone know any mods where i can play as mythrix

[grizzled bolt]

there is a mithrix survivor mod
but you can also use debugtoolkit and on the console writhe "spawn_as Mithrix"

[lavish dew]

there was a playable mithrix mod not sure if it eorks still

[grizzled bolt]

oh hey, talking about mithrix, perfect timing

lemme watch the video to see if it's the debug mithrix or the playable mithrix

nvm it's a fucking theory video lmao

[lavish dew]

lol

[vestal gulch]

The original playable Mithrix mod is deprecated
Instead, use DebugToolkit and the spawn_as command, or use MonsterMash

I'd recommend MonsterMash more since it makes a bunch of fixes to larger monsters so you can actually interact or reach items

[grizzled bolt]

nooooo

[jade prairie]

yeah, reins sniper chugs a bit, but i loved it

[vestal gulch]

I'd recommend installing SniperClassic too

It's a good throwback to RoR1 Sniper, with some extra skills for variety

[grizzled bolt]

reins sniper is not bad, it just has too much

and it isn't very optimized
rein is known for looking like a good creator, but lacking in actual good modding skills, atleast his old mods

[vestal gulch]

Rein's also gone from the modding community

[grizzled bolt]

you'll need some decent training for the rein sniper

[vestal gulch]

He left some time ago

So none of his mods will be getting updates afaik

[jade prairie]

sad

[grizzled bolt]

rogue wisp is gonna die lets goooo

[jade prairie]

😦

[grizzled bolt]

how many mod has rein made

I only remember rogue wisp and the sniper

[vestal gulch]

RogueWisp itself is already deprecated

[grizzled bolt]

the sniper being the only one where I actually enjoyed playing the character

[vestal gulch]

Your alternative is BootlegRogueWisp by LuaFubuki

[grizzled bolt]

god no he's alive

[vestal gulch]

Rein has made a total of 13 mods

[grizzled bolt]

damn
a lot more than I thought

[vestal gulch]

10 of which are deprecated

[grizzled bolt]

were those all characters or decently big mods, or just small mods, the characters being his peak

[vestal gulch]

Um
Mostly small mods

So really just the characters being his peak
I mean, there was Archiach Wisps I guess

[grizzled bolt]

god

[vestal gulch]

But I believe it's Moffein or nebby that manages Arciach Wisp now

[grizzled bolt]

y'know atleast archiach wisp and rein sniper weren't too bad

rogue wisp tho dear lord

[spiral goblet]

archaic wisp my beloved

[vestal gulch]

There was the AlternativeArtificer mod by Rein
Some of the features in it were implemented into the vanilla game, while the rest went into Duck's ArtificerExtended

I'm a little disappointed by Rein leaving, mainly because before leaving he was a working on a quadrupedal movement-based melee survivor, with wallclings, jumps, and runs to boot

Oh well

[jade prairie]

i really hope that it was a jumping spider-esque survivor he was working on, i just want a survivor thats spider based

[spiral goblet]

nemesis acrid..?

[grizzled bolt]

make nemesis acrid just like nemesis loader

4 fucking arms

[spiral goblet]

full quadrupedal, forgoing poison for Absolutely Fucking Bonkers™️

[grizzled bolt]

the true melee acrid

[spiral goblet]

THE TRUE MELEE ACRID

[jade prairie]

berserker acrid?

doomslayer acrid?

[vestal gulch]

It was a wolf-like creature of sorts

[jade prairie]

ill take it, it would've sounded awesome. im still banking on one of the two survivors in the first expansion being either chef or a survivor thats based on the concept of spiders

[vestal gulch]

I'm trying to find the old videos Rein had of the WIP but it seems he might've deleted them or something

[grizzled bolt]

fucking mech spider survivor lets goooo

or just straight up bring the spider boss from stone story rpg to ror2

[vestal gulch]

Well
I found the videos
Issue is, they're streamable links
Meaning they automatically delete themselves after 30 days unless you have like a premium subscription

[grizzled bolt]

incredible

[vestal gulch]

And those videos were posted many months ago

Anyways, as for why Rein left
He was frustrated by the Anniversary update breaking almost every mod (Which isn't really worth getting angry over since the game revolves around what the devs want, not what modders want) and the fact that the devs gave like, no documentation as to what actually changed, leaving every modder to work from scratch (that actually made sense getting mad over, although tbf it may have also been because Rein doesn't actually work with R2API, he just chooses the brute force the game to work with his mods)
And then it wasn't further helped by a wave of people constantly heckling him by comparing his Sniper mod to SniperClassic. The guy's personality wasn't the greatest in the first place since he got triggered easily, but like
Intentionally triggering someone is just way worse, especially if done on repeat by multiple people

[grizzled bolt]

damn, I thought he just left because he either got tired of modding or he got mad over people

[vestal gulch]

It kinda was both

[jade prairie]

thats a shame... 😔

[warm hill]

Yo Fade

[vestal gulch]

Hmm?

[warm hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/752847885346799646/901331770799190046/Risk_of_Rain_2_2021-10-23_00-48-42.mp4

[vestal gulch]

Oh yeah, I noticed that

It's really cool

[warm hill]

Flames now have soooouuuunnnnnnndddddd

The process for creating that sound was actually easy

[vestal gulch]

Really good crackling

[warm hill]

I found a flame sound online, I sliced four parts out of it carefully

[grizzled bolt]

what are those

[vestal gulch]

I could genuinely just sit there and listen to that all day

[vestal gulch]

Buff Braziers

[grizzled bolt]

insane

[warm hill]

I have a container that randomizes the pitch 120 cents up and down, and crossfades between the samples and you don't even notice

[vestal gulch]

It's gonna be a new interactable in Aetherium

[vestal gulch]

Damn

[warm hill]

I love Wwise

[vestal gulch]

The sound design is so crisp

[spiral goblet]

brainstalks
uh oh

[warm hill]

[grizzled bolt]

buy buy buy buy buy

god that emote from the starstorm server

the starstorm server in general just does not bring me good memories

[spiral goblet]

you will purchase the brainstalks braizer

[vestal gulch]

I don't ever interact
I've muted every channel there except for Announcements and Content Showcase lmao

[warm hill]

I just need to now work on the functionality since the visuals are done

[grizzled bolt]

I tried talking to people there
it was good on day one

[vestal gulch]

Nice

[grizzled bolt]

felt a bit overwhelmed day two