ror2-modding

[livid sigil]

Some of them are not fun tho.

[gilded jolt]

Found most of them already

@livid sigil should I just put em here or do you want me to dm you

[livid sigil]

You can totally drop them here.

[gilded jolt]

Alright, here are the ones I uncovered so far

CaptainSupplyDropFinale LoaderKillLoaders Bandit2RevolverFinale MercXSkillsInYSeconds TreebotBigHeal Bandit2ConsecutiveReset Bandit2ClearGameMonsoon

Those are ones I've verified, as in, yes putting them in the save file works

I'm still looking for the Acrid one, and bandit is being weird

His bleed one should be

"Bandit2StackBleed"

But I've put it in and it's not unlocking it

[livid sigil]

Ty.

[gilded jolt]

If you could put that in and tell me if it works or not, I'd appreciate it a lot

[livid sigil]

Real quick, the correct format for those would be <unlock>Skills.Captain.CaptainSupplyDropFinale</unlock> ?

etc for each class

[gilded jolt]

no

what you want to do is find the achievements area

the </achievements> place

should be the first major block

<achievements.list>

that's the one

just copy and paste the ones I posted and you should be good

[livid sigil]

Aaaah I see. k, sec

[halcyon blade]

hey I was thinking of getting into modded ror2, what mods would y'all suggest?

[dreamy forge]

Good timing, they're all broken

[livid sigil]

Everything but the Bandit bleed one seems to work.

[halcyon blade]

I figured as much since the anniversary update just came out but like, once they're all fixed what do/did y'all enjoy most

[gilded jolt]

Yeah, that's what I was afraid of

[merry jetty]

Is there a way to reverse the update? Like go back to an older version?

[gilded jolt]

One moment

[gilded jolt]

I'm gonna find the MUL-T one

[livid sigil]

I didnt get Seventh Day either but that'll actually get done.

idk if that one was is there.

[gilded jolt]

Found it

ToolbotBeatArenaLater

[wise ferry]

r2modman doesn't put a bepinex folder in your game directory

that's one you added yourself

[gilded jolt]

Yep, it works

@halcyon mirage

only thing I can't seem to get working is the bandit bleed one

[halcyon mirage]

alr

[halcyon mirage]

all I have to do is paste them in after this, right?

[gilded jolt]

yep

lemme compile them all for you

CaptainSupplyDropFinale LoaderKillLoaders Bandit2RevolverFinale MercXSkillsInYSeconds TreebotBigHeal Bandit2ConsecutiveReset Bandit2ClearGameMonsoon ToolbotBeatArenaLater

That's everything except the bandit alt m2

[vocal trellis]

Epic

[warm marsh]

whast the Mult one?

[gilded jolt]

ToolbotBeatArenaLater

[halcyon mirage]

"treebot" I love hopoo sometimes

[warm marsh]

hope we figure out the bandit M2

[tiny stone]

I can probably help with that

gonna do a command run and just stack backup mags and check the updated achievements

were there anymore items locked behind achievements?

[halcyon mirage]

nope just skills

[gilded jolt]

Again, I don't see why Bandit2StackBleed doesn't work

I've tried variations of the namee

Bandit2StackHemo, Bandit2Stackbleed, etc

[gilded jolt]

Bandit2StackSuperBleed

That's the one

[tiny stone]

Confirmed?

[oak forge]

update corrupted my save, someone told me to ask here for a way to save edit to get a 100% save file back

[gilded jolt]

Yep, it just worked for me

[tiny stone]

did u actually just trial and errored it?

[gilded jolt]

Nah, someone helped me out

[gilded jolt]

Ok, so what you wanna do is, use this first to generate a save file

https://riskofrain2-save-editor.web.app/

Select unlock all, and you'll get the stuff before the update

[halcyon mirage]

[gilded jolt]

After you've done that, open up the savefile in wordpad, and after the <achievement.list> line

Paste the following:

CaptainSupplyDropFinale LoaderKillLoaders Bandit2RevolverFinale MercXSkillsInYSeconds TreebotBigHeal Bandit2ConsecutiveReset Bandit2ClearGameMonsoon ToolbotBeatArenaLater Bandit2StackSuperBleed

[oak forge]

should look like this?

[gilded jolt]

Yep.

Now remember to save it

[oak forge]

yeah, and replaced my save with it

[gilded jolt]

And you should be good

About to post this to reddit

[oak forge]

it works, thanks a ton, was real mad considering i had 185 hours on this game

[zealous oar]

do we have info on how the content packs work yet

[gray mulch]

System is incomplete, and potentially seeing design changes before full impl

[zealous oar]

aight, is there anything it can be used for a the moment? or completely unused

[gray mulch]

I'm just adding things with IL hooks because thats more fun anyway.

[zealous oar]

well i would just like a simplistic way to increase player counts without just sending my friends a modified asm

[gray mulch]

Contentpacks are for adding content

toomanyfriends should work fine. I highly doubt that broke

[zealous oar]

i'll be honest trying to teach these people to install mods was more work than just telling them to overwrite a file, so i'll just stick with that for the time being

[gray mulch]

r2modman exists

[icy compass]

ok i just did this, but the bandit bleed one didnt work

[gilded jolt]

Mhm

[gray mulch]

Not to mention that only host needs to have the limit increased.

[gilded jolt]

What you wanna use is Bandit2StackSuperBleed

[zealous oar]

i suppose it's host only when using the mod? cause modifying the assembly sets a flag that indicates game vers as modded

[icy compass]

i have it right here but in-game its not working

[gray mulch]

Ah, the game checks max players for ismodded flag forgot about that.

Dedicated server tool can host 16 player by default though.

[gilded jolt]

you didn't close the achievements list

[icy compass]

i think i fixed it actually

[icy compass]

the other ones worked, and i did

trying again

ok now its working

[gilded jolt]

it should end in </achievementsList>

[icy compass]

its working now

[gilded jolt]

cheers

[broken elbow]

just used your instructions, thanks so much!

[gilded jolt]

nworries

you're welcome

[tiny crow]

Who ever can make Acrid to Fenrir ♡ il love you forever

[gray mulch]

Ow my head. Success but I'm done here. Its working now. https://thunderstore.io/package/Rein/Sniper/

if anyone remembers, I got it updated for the 1.0 launch under 1 hour after the update.

[tight river]

loading the game through modman with 43 mods installed and its prompting me to make a new profile (fine when loading vanilla) anyone know what mods could be causing this?

[gray mulch]

All of them. There are maybe 10 mods total that will work right now.

[tight river]

oh damn really

[gray mulch]

This was kinda catastrophic in terms of breaking things.

[open yacht]

What all did you have to do to get it working, rein?

[gray mulch]

Re-add a bunch of helpers to the catalogs, some extremely dirty low level hacks with unity, and fix like 300ish compiler errors.

[open yacht]

Wasn't all this supposed to make modding easier

[gray mulch]

Tomorrow when I do my other mods its gonna be worse though. sniper is extremely clean but my older stuff is not.

Its kinda a mixed bag, sorta easier, sorta not. There are some big issues that need to be sorted out, a couple of things that could have been better, and I think some higher level decisions that need to be made.

Overall though, maybe in a month or two, things will be back to normal and most likely better off.

[open yacht]

Only thing that makes me sad is a fair amount of the mods I use that haven't been updated in months might be left behind and never brought into the new system

More popular mods like yours, starstorm and enforcer I'm not worried about, it's the less cared for ones

[hoary kiln]

anyone know when the new version of r2api comes out?

[open yacht]

does bepinex and r2api need updating?

[vestal gulch]

BepInEx, probably not, but yes to R2API, and R2API hasn't been updated for the new version yet

[hoary kiln]

when i try to boot up modded it says the version of r2api i have is for somthing but the curent versionis somthing else (bvoth "somthings are a bunch of numbers")

[vestal gulch]

Yep, because R2API hasn't been updated for the most recent game version.

[hoary kiln]

any clue when it will be???

[vestal gulch]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hoary kiln]

aight well ig ive got some gwrinding to do for the new abilitys cya

[gray mulch]

R2api is probs weeks at best

Or just dead, based on some conversations I had

[jade prairie]

guys

hi i just got ror2 mod man

how do i direct it to ror2

when i try to start modded

it says its not directed

[vestal gulch]

No reason to right now, since most mods are broken anyways.

[jade prairie]

i just want reins

sniper

i always wanted to try it

[vestal gulch]

But Settings -> Change RoR2 Directory -> Find the directory.

[jade prairie]

thx

i have ror2 in a folder

so i click on it?

wtf its not there

oh because its the shortcut

im confused

[gray mulch]

Right click shortcut, open file location

Or, in steam, right click ror2, browse local files

Click top address bar and highlight all of it, ctrl + c, open r2modman, browse to folder, paste it in address.

[jade prairie]

so do i drag it out of the file its in?

nvm

so i highlight everything there

control c and control v it into the ror2 folder

[gray mulch]

Err

Wait

Are you installing r2modman?

[jade prairie]

yes

[gray mulch]

Just place that anywhere on desktop or something

And run it

[jade prairie]

alright

so drag ror2 out of the file

and put it on my desktop is that ok

can i still run it via steam?

do i also drag my data?

[gray mulch]

No i mean put r2modman on desktop

[jade prairie]

it is

[gray mulch]

Ror2 stays where it is.

[jade prairie]

ok

when i try to start modded it says error ror2 directory does not exist

[gray mulch]

So in that case, open r2modman, settings, change ror2 directory

And point it to the place that steam brings you when you right click browse local files

[jade prairie]

ok

ok i got it

do i just click on ror2

or do i also click on ror2 data

[gray mulch]

Ror2

[jade prairie]

wait

its not there

when i view it from the mod manager

when i look at local files its there

[gray mulch]

Oh. Just hit select then. It just needs folder

[jade prairie]

thx

[proven tangle]

So did this update actually do anything to help modding?

[jade prairie]

I DID IT

YEAH SNIPER

[spring pawn]

Can someone give me the link to a mod where you can save your game?

[gray mulch]

Short term help? No. Long term? Kinda.

[proven tangle]

How so? If it isn't too complicated to explain

[jade prairie]

im using the sniper mod

by rein its so cool

[gray mulch]

Thanks

[jade prairie]

why are all of the skills saying under constrution

[gray mulch]

(I hope its not on fire, I barely twsted it)

[jade prairie]

wait your rein?

oh. lol

[vestal gulch]

Yes, they're Rein.

[jade prairie]

cool

[versed condor]

says so in their username

[jade prairie]

how do i get "under construction for sniper?

it says that for all of the skills what the

[gray mulch]

Wait...... Hmmmmm....

I just finished fixing the unlock system before release. Ugh I'll take another look after I eat.

[jade prairie]

other than that it works great

is paladin or enforcer updated?

[gray mulch]

Not yet afaik.

[jade prairie]

aw

ok

[untold berry]

I used to do a lot of .dll editing to add some characters/enemies to the character select screen back during the previous updates. Due to the nature of this kinda modding, I had to redo it each time it updated. However, I've noticed the code for existing registered survivors in Survivorcatalog is missing, and SurvivorIndex is wiped completely this update. I'm not too code-savvy and the guide I was using was super outdated, but worked up until now. If anybody knows any methods on how to achieve this in the new update, ping me and let me know please. I'll try to see if I can get back to it soonish.

[jovial bloom]

Is there a mod for just sandbox testing?

[gray mulch]

You basically cant anymore.

Sandbox no but I've wanted to make one for a long time but was never motivated enough

[jade prairie]

i hope classicitems is updated 😦

[jovial bloom]

Ah I see, thank you.

[untold berry]

Oh, so, it's basically out of the equation all-together now? I was mostly wondering if there were a workaround or easier way to add an existing character from the body list to the select screen yet, the update's still super new however, but it was worth asking if anybody knew any info yet.

[gray mulch]

Its possible, just not through assembly editing

Or not practically through it

[untold berry]

So it'd seem.. The essential steps required prior calls for code that I can't even find anymore. So if things have been moved around, I certainly can't find where it's been moved to.

[gray mulch]

Basically, the place you would need to edit doesn't decompile in dnspy. Its all a pile of lambda expressions

So to edit it, you would need to convert the half decompiled stuff back to C#, and then add your stuff, and recompile

That class is RoR2Content

[untold berry]

Right.. Hm. Well that's a problem, it's basically eliminated the viable method of doing some DIY that existing mods didn't really do. I guess I would have to learn proper modding to accomplish such a thing, or simply edit an existing mod for private usage, but I'd have to wait until newer, updated character mods come out before even attempting to tackle that.

[gray mulch]

Its something I could walk you through fairly easily, just not today

[slender walrus]

is RoR2Content at all difficult to access when modding?

[gray mulch]

The statics are good.

Its only tricky for direct dll editing because the decompiler doesn't make valid code from the lambdas

[untold berry]

I can't imagine making an independent mod for adding an existing character in the body list to the select screen can be all that hard I assume. Let me know whenever you have some time to walk me through it, you can always write a guide to my PMs whenever you're available (And whenever I'm not). If I have any questions, I'll let you know.

[gray mulch]

The only substantial problem I would say exists with ror2content is that its the only example implementation of a contentpack and a lot of the relevant code isn't really readable

And sure I'll write something up in the next few days for you

[spice sable]

lovely update now to figure out which mod is causing me to not be able to press E on portal.

[rough pilot]

Anyone know what causes this? Only happens when I attempt to join a multiplayer game. This is vanilla. I have uninstalled all mods, r2modman, reinstalled both the game and steam itself to completely different locations. No dice.

[gray mulch]

is that singleplayer lobby or multiplayer?

@jade prairie Latest version fixes that issue

[spice sable]

it seems TooManyFriends disable pressing E on portal.

[feral garnet]

Is there a quick and easy way to change my item.txt before I do it the slow and painful way

I want to do the thing where item pickup text matches logbook text

[slender walrus]

@gray mulch as a heads-up, the current internal version has RoR2Content as an IContentPackProvider instead of a ContentPack (which is now sealed), and its static fields are all populated via reflection

I'm not sure why you'd need to access anything that'd be in lambdas, though, since the only value of the class is the statics?

[gray mulch]

We don't need to access, it was just the case above of someone wanting to make direct edits to the dll with dnspy which winds up dodgy because the class won't recompile normally.

[slender walrus]

ah

[gray mulch]

The only real concern is that the code itself is tricky to read for anyone looking to see an example implementation of a content pack. but even then, its not really the best example since the loading mechanism is different from what we have with mods.

[slender walrus]

yeah, RoR2Content isn't exactly great for an example.

[gray mulch]

Only other thing is that the old modhelper is still present in buffcatalog.

[charred pebble]

Would you fellows believe the church mod would still function? You fellows are the professionals, after all!

[gray mulch]

Only one way to find out

thats my professional advice

[charred pebble]

Well, my dear fellow, I can't seem to test the mod due to it wonderously dissapearing from "r2modman"

[gray mulch]

Then its definitely broken

[charred pebble]

So I was wondering if a modder could perhaps enlighten me whilst I try to find the mod once more!

You're mistaken. It's missing of my own accord. For I lost all my mods by accident. But the Church mod was my favorite. So I require some closure.

[idle abyss]

@gray mulch I just reinstalled your updated version, and everything was working for me except on the character select screen, where none of the skill info was showing up (nor the Primary, Secondary, etc. on the left). Not sure if this has already been mentioned.

[gray mulch]

Skill info? Like the description?

If so, thats r2api being broken

[idle abyss]

Yeah, description. My brain forgot that word

[naive thunder]

Anyone having bug with scrapper? Playing with friend and we cant use it because if we try it will get 'stuck' and will provide one player with huge amount of scrap before leaving stage, both of us tried 2 different scrappers and at the end of stage we had over 1k scrap... I wonder if its because mods.

[idle abyss]

Good to know. Thanks!

Also pretty amazing how quickly you updated it!

[charred pebble]

Being quite antiquated with the modding scene, especially on the subject of what the update "broke," I would like to inquire if the contents of the Church mod would cause it to be broken. You fellows know of this mod? I've heard it's most popular.

[merry jetty]

Is the infinite flying with Sniper an intended feature?

[coarse hornet]

hey does toomanyfriends or any mod that increase lobby size work right now?

[charred pebble]

Pity.

[gray mulch]

Infinite flying?

[feral garnet]

okay gonna see if BetterUI works

it looks weird as Bandit but that's expected

[rich robin]

Hey, quick and dirty way to cheat lunar coins?

usually play with mods that make them a bit more common/players share pick-up

but in light of heretic I wanna get a bunch quickly

[mossy lagoon]

it works fine but with r2api there are no buff icons and betterui doesnt have compat with the new pro coefs

all those values are hardcoded

[red badger]

are mods working??

[cobalt dust]

I have returned

[merry jetty]

Sorry for the late elaboration. I got the wing item that lets you fly for a bit but it became permanent. Don’t know if it was the mod though

[gray mulch]

I'll take a look tomorrow, thanks for the report.

[feral garnet]

ah I see

[quick panther]

how do i uninstall mods

i did it before but its not working now

[feral garnet]

I don't know because I use r2modman

[hollow owl]

for manual download or r2modman

[quick panther]

manual

[hollow owl]

i just remove the BepInEx folder from my ROR2 Folder, and store it somewhere else if i want to use mods later

thats what i usually do, im not sure if there is any other method

winhttp.dll and doorstop.config.ini also goes with the modding i believe

[brazen sail]

so guys if i downloaded the modded stuff to connect to levels and i did it along time ago do i need to update it

and do they add custom rules and mods to connectt o?

[cobalt dust]

I’m guessing most mods are broken?

[hollow owl]

yeah

[brazen sail]

no its connecting fine

[quick panther]

thank you

[hollow owl]

rn they are anyway, i think

[cobalt dust]

F

[brazen sail]

oh new update right

[hollow owl]

def the content adding mods are broken

but not sure about others

[hollow owl]

i assume it worked?

[quick panther]

yeah it was in my ssd drive not my d

[hollow owl]

ah

glad i could help :)

[cobalt dust]

Wonder how the creator of the bandit mod feels now

[brazen sail]

wait now the modded levels are not working

they just were

[hollow owl]

what did you change?

[brazen sail]

nothing

i was playing on them earlier unless i gotta wait longer

its black screen

now no games are coming up when i refresh

im confused

[faint steeple]

im excited to see how starstorm 2 is gonna be updated for the new changes

[hollow owl]

i think the mods are broken with the new update (the content adding ones anyway)

so that could be why your levels arent loading

[brazen sail]

so is there a way to keep track of the mods

and like update the exe for all mods?

[faint steeple]

you can filter through modmanager the last updated mods

[brazen sail]

so my main goal is to play modded with the goal of playing new things new items levels chars etc is that possible with these mods

[versed condor]

we have to wait for the mod devs to update the mods

[brazen sail]

i mean

[faint steeple]

exactly

[hollow owl]

yes, all of the broken mods have to be updated for them to function

[brazen sail]

multiplayer online

[faint steeple]

i made the mistake of installing a 100 mod modpack that ended up leaving me on a black screen with the audio of the cutscene was playing in the background

[cobalt dust]

I don’t see why people use giant mod packs when the export mod profiles work just fine

[faint steeple]

i was just seeing if it would break my game

and it did, so i went into the mod folder and deleted every single mod i had installed, including bepinex and r2api

[cobalt dust]

Lol

[faint steeple]

ikr

[cobalt dust]

I have died so many times today because I’ve gotten spoiled by the auto sprint mod lol

[warm marsh]

does anyone know what the code is to put the new secret survior into the game

[faint steeple]

nope

[cobalt dust]

Code? I thought you just had to get the heretic items

[hollow nexus]

mod request:
for the alt bandit skin, use the Revenant gunshot sound for Lights Out/Desperado

[warm marsh]

like the achievement

[cobalt dust]

Oh

[warm marsh]

to unlock

[cobalt dust]

No lo sé

[feral garnet]

There is no code, it's a temporary survivor

if you want to play as it you have to get all 4 items every run

[faint steeple]

just get all 4 of the heresy items

[hollow owl]

visions, hooks, strides, and essence of heresy

get all 4 of them

[faint steeple]

thank you lol, i forgot the names of them

[umbral marlin]

@hollow nexus if you wanna put that in the thunderstore discord’s #ideas channel you may be able to get some traction on it

[idle kraken]

does anyone have a mod that adds the elite equipment looks as usable skins?

[mighty maple]

Do you have to wait for mods to update for them to work with the new version?

[rich cypress]

Guys I've deleted the bepinex folder before the update, and now a new folder called "mods" appeared, is it something from the update or from the bepinex? and does that mean there will be official support for mods?

[cold lichen]

anyone have the save file with bandit and all the new shit unlocked

[wintry igloo]

So... who's gonna make the mod that lets you start as Heretic? Cause I haven't modded the game before, but I want that

[tardy forge]

@rich cypress its something the new update has i deleted my ror2 folder and did a fresh install

[jaunty shadow]

idk if its a thing but is there a mod that unlocks abilities/characters for you? If not i can just not be a lazy hoe but

[drowsy torrent]

Ah, it may seem that playing as mobs dont work right now with DeBug Mod

[ripe perch]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-gif-18800792

[wintry igloo]

this message was sent less than 60 seconds from the previous one. Think you're just impatient bub

[ripe perch]

says the guy born in febuary

[wintry igloo]

October, try again

[ripe perch]

uhhhh

augest?

[regal island]

game wont launch, do i have to update all the mods or something? havent touched the game in a like 2 months

[ripe perch]

@regal island just got an update today, wait a while until mods become supported

[regal island]

so just play without any?

[ripe perch]

yea

unfortunately

[regal island]

wait

its working

[ripe perch]

with mods?

watch it crash the second a chest opens or you select a modded survivor

[regal island]

i deleted a lot that i thought would cause issues

[ripe perch]

what you got left

[azure olive]

we need a desperado buff

[ripe perch]

whats desperado?

[azure olive]

new bandit ability

[ripe perch]

is that the alt special

[azure olive]

yea

[plucky zodiac]

Do mods just totally break ror currently?

Either i'm dumb, or mods are broke rn. Cause Diluvian difficulty currently isn't working. 😔

[jade prairie]

Mods broke

[plucky zodiac]

Ah good.

Time to wait till they slowly get updates to work with the current patch.

[ripe perch]

what mods do work?

please tell me enforcer mod works

[jade prairie]

Nope

Sniper does tho

[plucky zodiac]

Can always roll back an update, I never really play online anyway.

[lusty grotto]

@whole barn you've probably gotten messages about this, but your splitscreen mod doesn't work with the new update, if you'd be able to address that sometime 🙂

(I mean almost no mods work but yeah, yours is specifically needed for my roommates to play haha)

[gray mulch]

I think ideath is busy carrying the entire vallheim modding community rn XD

[dreamy forge]

This next week is gonna be full of people asking why their mods aren't working

[vague hawk]

not excited

people are essentially waiting till we get the complete api, what we have now isn't done, iirc. So it may be a while, since people understandably don't wanna make a fix and then have to fix again a week later.

[mossy lagoon]

I updated my game and now everything is broken to complete shit is this intended?

[vague hawk]

im no coder, thats just what SS2 team was told so don't take my word for it

[vague hawk]

i dont have nitro i cant mariosit fuck

[stiff tulip]

any clues? no mods installed, redownloaded the game, didn't help

[agile chasm]

what files do i delete to de-mod my game?

[final crest]

a friend of mine managed to fix this by creating a new, 2nd blank profile. the logbook worked on all profiles after this

[stiff tulip]

when I "create" a new profile I doesn't seem to really create. It says e.g. "Testprofile" after creating, but when I switch back to my original profile the "Testprofile" is gone

[final crest]

oh, strange. maybe do a run and get some data on it first?

[stiff tulip]

tried that too 😦

[final crest]

aw, damn. no clue then, sorry

[stiff tulip]

np, got 250 hours so far... dont want to loose it

[final crest]

the data isn't gone, don't worry

it's not save file corruption, otherwise your characters wouldn't be unlocked either

[uncut widget]

i love you so much i did not want to fuck with getting that captain achievment

[agile chasm]

what files do i have to delete to de-mod my game? i still have monobleedingedge, winhttp.dll, and winpexeventruntime.dll in the ror2 folder

[final crest]

your best bet is to delete any .dll files and the verify your files through steam to reacquire any that you needed.
you should probably be using r2modman for modding in the future though, because that lets you launch unmodded at will

[stiff tulip]

the strange thing is... after starting the game, it autocreates a folder in the game directory with the name "Mods" and within this folder it creates a file called "enabled_mods.txt"...I don't know why..

[final crest]

that... seems to imply that you're booting it with a modloader

[stiff tulip]

none installed 😄 100% sure

[final crest]

that's really strange then

[stiff tulip]

as I already said, I deleted RoR2 completely, I deletes r2modman and all mods under appdata completely and then reinstall RoR2...

I have absolutely no idea what I could try now

[final crest]

that's a bit overkill for getting rid of mods
I still have r2modman installed but I can boot into modless through steam

[stiff tulip]

I even installed r2modman again and started (from within it) in vanilla. doesn't work either

[jade prairie]

From what I gather the issue is the R2API needs updated? There's an issue loading BuffAPI from it and it cascades into issues after that.

[stiff tulip]

even if I haven't installed a single mod anymore?

[jade prairie]

Sorry, I don't know what issue your having. I'm late to the party of everyone having the same issue with their mods aren't working. 😛

[vale widget]

I edited my config and it immediately fixed it so I have no clue what the fuck is going on with it

[stiff tulip]

which config?

[vale widget]

The save file in the userdata of steam

I gave myself the logs to see if that'd fix it and it did

So I don't know

[jade prairie]

Did it fix it, or can you just not tell because all the logs are now there?

[brisk stag]

Which language is used for mods?

[final crest]

generally C#, because that's what unity uses

[stiff tulip]

you mean the file under "Steam\userdata\x\632360\remote\UserProfiles right? what exactly did you do there?

[brisk stag]

Well... Yeah seems logic

[vale widget]

I just copied some stuff, replaced my log in the user profile and it just showed up

[gray mulch]

If you wanna be technical. I've successfully written plugins in like 16 different languages so far

Most of those were horrible ideas and totally pointless, but it worked

Standout alternatives to C# are F#, VB.net, and c++/cli

But i would just say use C#

[brisk stag]

I mean... If u know how to write C# why bother doing it with other languages cause unity main language is C#? x)

[gray mulch]

Because I wanted to muck about forcing compilers to output msil

[brisk stag]

Where do you have to start if you wanna create mods for RoR2?

[gray mulch]

It was for fun

R2wiki, link on thunderstore somewhere. And ror2 modding discord

Also being familliar with unity is pretty important

Like just the overall system you're working in. Don't need to be an expert but you do need to be comfortable with components messages gameobjects and transforms

There are tons of tutorials for unity all over so that shouldn't be too jard to find

[brisk stag]

I did use Unity 2 years ago... I didn't made anything difficult tho, followed a few tutorials that's it

Well I checked the GitHub first mod tutorial and it looks pretty simple so i'll try to create mods i think 🙂

[delicate topaz]

cant wait for someone to do a mod that allows bandit to keep desperado stacks

[jade prairie]

Is there a channel / discord for the updates and new releases of mods for Risk of Rain 2?

[final crest]

yes, see the pins in this channel

[copper herald]

Despite the fact its pretty unfinished
This video makes me wanna play the Chef mod
Him just summoning Cleavers from the red plane has a charm to it

[tall blaze]

ever since the update the debug console gets flooded with errors just saying "'RoR2.UI.BuffIcon.buffIndex' not found" and same with giving items bc some of my items just dissapeared from my logbook with the update like fresh meat, uke, pearl, microbots and a few more for items it give me "'RoR2.ItemDef.name' not found." does anyone know a way to fix this?

the full line in the debug console shows this "MissingFieldException: Field 'RoR2.UI.BuffIcon.buffIndex' not found"

[jade prairie]

Dont worry about errors. Those errors are probably because of the changes to all the things the api relies on

[tawdry sand]

does the new update broke the mods ?, i'm using R2modman and everything goes red on boot now

[copper herald]

Yes

Mods are still being updated to work with the latest version

[tawdry sand]

bummer, but the update is wonderful. Guess i'm back to vanilla waiting for mods to update now 😄

[tall blaze]

ok thanks i just thought that the debug console didnt add anything bc i only have that enabled its better ui, itemstats mod, debug and unmodded client

Nonetheless ill just wait for the updates

[dense trout]

betterui is probably causing those

[faint steeple]

i uninstalled all my mods, cuz im just waiting for creators to start updating, gotta sit tight for this one

[timid swallow]

chef mod is neat, just a tad bit cursed

[ancient thistle]

so

when will hoppoo actually release those "changes" to support modding

[zealous oar]

if you're handy with a disassembler you can muddle your way through a lot of it now

[ancient thistle]

as far as i can tell its mostly just broken everything without any sort of info released to assist in the transition to the new update

lol

lots of mods gonna just be left to rot at this point

[zealous oar]

i'm assuming most people that make content based mods such as new survivors, etc, are waiting on a bit more of a defined framework

as of right now the only example is a content pack implementation that is practically unreadable

[gray mulch]

I just used hooks for adding everything. I reimplemented the old system in its entirety since the new system is such a massive architectural shift and is non trivial to switch to. Mods are very very sensitive to execution order of their code and that is what keeps it from being a straightforward transition.

I think overall the new system will be better, but right now its only half complete and everything will break like this again when it is finished.

So personally I don't wanna make changes that I need to undo in a few months

[zealous oar]

It's not... Terrible, but I had no experience with this sort of thing prior.

[gray mulch]

I really do appreciate the consideration for modders, and I don't want that to go away, but I also feel there was a better path for doing this, like a migration period.

[ancient thistle]

yeah, thats the thing. anything reliant on r2api etc is just busted outright so now everyone is just dawdling while people scramble to figure out what the hell was all changed to get everything back and run

Definitely

They could have released documentation a week or so prior to the update

[gray mulch]

They did

[ancient thistle]

they released documentation for modding?

[gray mulch]

Even knowing these exact changes 2 months in advance wouldn't have solved the issue

[zealous oar]

As far as I know they were given a heads-up that things weren't going to work with the new update

[gray mulch]

We knew about the core concept of new system maybe 5 months ago

[ancient thistle]

telling people "it will change" without saying explicitly how is not documentation

[gray mulch]

We had code snippets as well

[zealous oar]

It's not something to get upset about

The fact that they even considered revamping the system to be more natively friendly to modders is nice in of itself, i think.

[ancient thistle]

yeah but it's kind of a giant middle finger to the modding community if im being honest, just saying "have fun figuring this out yourselves. again"

[gray mulch]

Kinda the provlem I have is that the new system doesn't offer any new functionality that solves our problems.

[ancient thistle]

yeah that is nice, but if you do it when everyone's basically already got it nailed down without giving insight to whats changing so everything can be ready somewhat by the time update goes live

is just kind of "why bother"

[zealous oar]

Modding makes up such a small portion of the RoR2 community that I would say it is just sort of how it is.

[gray mulch]

We have been dealing with hell recalculatestats, onhitenemy, takedamage, and oncharacterdeath since day 1. Those were always the biggest obstacles to adding things like items. Those issues are the same now as they were 2 years ago.

[ancient thistle]

small portion? a pretty large hunk of people play with mods

[gray mulch]

Idk if mythix released traffic numbers recently, but any time he does the numbers are pretty nutty

[ancient thistle]

modding only ever truly takes off though when

1. someone gives enough of a crap to reverse engineer a ton of stuff
2. the way the game works is already extremely well understood thus making implementation of new content much easier

and we have neither of those at the moment

this community needs its own Liinko

lol

[gray mulch]

We do have those. Myself, harb, ideath, and some others have the whole codebase memorized nearly.

[zealous oar]

You guys are definitely well versed in the entire codebase

Shrugging off questions like nobody's business

[gray mulch]

I'm at a point where I can write IL hooks without even seeing the decompiled code lol

Just because I can basically guess exactly how the code implenenting the feature looks

[zealous oar]

I do hope that we see the ability to modify larger portions of the codebase in the future without having to use any exterior apis or injectors

this content pack implementation does seem like a good start in the right direction, though

[abstract valley]

it looks like they're planning to transition to their own API anyway

[zealous oar]

it does appear that way at a glance

[ancient thistle]

yeah, and when you consider r2api isnt being updated at the moment (its being rewritten) the modding situation is kind of shite rn

[zealous oar]

i'm not nearly as familiar with the code as a lot of you are

mine is sort of just trial and error in dnspy

and these lambdas really do got me scratchin my head

by the way, raein, since you're familiar with this, is a CompilerGenerated flag just something given to internal functions to designate that it's not like, present in the codebase, or something?

[hexed crest]

-[-+]

[zealous oar]

nevermind, rtfm

[gray mulch]

My big problem with hopoo doing the api is the update cycle. If there is a bug with the api (and there are always bugs. Programmers are human) the community very likely is waiting months for a fix.

If they want to do the api themselves that is great, but they need to be able to treat a modbreaking bug in that api with the same urgency as a gamebreaking bug.

[hexed crest]

All mods run off the two same API mods. There’s probably an incompatibility there

[zealous oar]

i'm sure it's hard to maintain with such a small studio, i do hope they learn from these patch cycles, and maybe even maintain modding support using a separate development team

[gray mulch]

Not all. Bepinex works fine and my mods only need that

[zealous oar]

i know that much larger companies with lots of manpower, like paradox, do it that way

[gray mulch]

Sniper is up and running

[hexed crest]

Sniper was also instantly updated

Like a few hours after the update

[gray mulch]

7 hours yeah

[zealous oar]

what is <>c__DisplayClass12_0 indicative of? Is there any way to glean what actual method that might be?

[gray mulch]

Thats a lambda expression

So basically, in C# you have delegates. Delegates can capture context

Example (pardon phone code)

public void DoThings(int input)
{
    Action fn = () => Console.WriteLine(input);

    fn();
}

[ancient thistle]

idk

[gray mulch]

() => indicates a lambda expression. Which is a definition of a function inside the other function

[zealous oar]

i see.

[ancient thistle]

i think im just gonna pester one of the modding discord admins if we can hold a big google survey for feedback etc

lmao

[gray mulch]

Normally, you can only access other members of the type, local vars, and the function args from inside a function

[zealous oar]

That's a similar comparison to something you can do in C++, if i'm not mistaken?

[gray mulch]

Yeah. Many languages support similar features. If you've ever worked with a functional programming language this is basically the idea they are built upon

[jade prairie]

would it be possible to change models for drones? because the way they're behaving would make it so perfect for them to have cat models

literally hugging the player

[gray mulch]

Anyway though. In that lambda, Input is accessed despite that function not actually being inside the other function. (In IL you cannot nest functions)

So there needs to be some way to get that data to the function

The displayclass is that way, and it is also the function

[timid swallow]

this assholes are blocking the shots

[zealous oar]

i'm assuming that's the reason it's branched off into another method located beneath the one calling it?

internal static with a compilergenerated attribute attached to it.

[gray mulch]

The compler generates a type to store the value in, and puts the.code.in the lambda into that type, then creates an instance and assigns stuff

Yeah exactly

[zealous oar]

so it makes for practically unreadable garbage at a glance, i see, that does make sense though.

[gray mulch]

There are a few different types of these depending on the way its used and the stuff captured

However, realistically you don't need to look at those. There aren't any areas that you need to be able to read them

[zealous oar]

so basically it's creating an instance of all the information within the class, and then reading from itself like some kind of weird rudimentary pointer or something?

[gray mulch]

Basically yeah

[zealous oar]

kind of like the freeze frame on my car, weird.

that does clear things up quite a bit, though.

[gray mulch]

So im assuming you're looking through ror2content class

[zealous oar]

i am, yes.

[gray mulch]

That isn't gonna work as an example. Ror2 loads its assets a very different way compared to how mods load.theirs

[zealous oar]

i can draw some rudimentary comparisons, it seems.

[gray mulch]

Fundamentally, the things you do to make your content are unchanged. This is just the way you give the content to the game

Which is sorta an afterthought when making characters and the like

[zealous oar]

yeah, i imagine most of the content creation parts take place in an actual unity dev environment.

since you have to create like, prefabs or whatever

[gray mulch]

It can

I do a hybrid approach. I make prefabs for art assets in unity, and I assemble the various components needed in code

[zealous oar]

that does bring me back to a previous thought i had, or rather a question.

[gray mulch]

The starting point for making a character mod remains, and likely will always be, ripping assets, finding commando prefab, and then going down the structure of that prefab and reading what each component does until you have a solid grasp on exactly why things are there

[zealous oar]

can you inherit from a scriptableobject?

[abstract valley]

so you're rewriting R2API rein?

[gray mulch]

Yes.

[zealous oar]

in unity, i always did it via the editor.

[gray mulch]

I would really prefer not to get into that mess

[abstract valley]

I tried to immediately say yes, but slowmode :(

[zealous oar]

i'm hoping my experience with unity and C# and the provided documentation on the github modding wiki is enough info to go by.

[gray mulch]

Should be. I started with a few years of unity and C# experience and then a ton of general programming

[abstract valley]

Also how the hell are you adding content packs, I just hooked ContentManager load and added to the list

[gray mulch]

I didn't add one XD

I reimplemented getadditionalentries

[abstract valley]

ah, I see

[gray mulch]

It was quite easy to do actually. I even shimmed over defs not created with scriptableobject.createinstance

Also hooked to remove all the array.sort calls

[zealous oar]

the modloader stuff was actually really easy to read through

the way that it handles loading content packs seems simple enough

however i have no idea if it works or not because it doesn't print anything to the console

[gray mulch]

Unlockableapi is dead entirely though. The entire design of that system is no longer valid so anyone using it is SOL

[abstract valley]

really? when I looked through it didn't seem too bad

guess I never looked at it before this update though

[gray mulch]

The design of that api no longer aligns with the way they are handled by the game

[abstract valley]

Ah, makes sense

[gray mulch]

You need to pass things by unlockabledef

Which was generated by the api

So you can no longer reference your unlockable

[abstract valley]

I've just been looking at how to make heretic appear on the selection screen lmao

[gray mulch]

Thats a one liner

Survivordef has a bool for hidden

[abstract valley]

he doesn't have a survivordef

[gray mulch]

Err

You sure?

[abstract valley]

at least, not one that I could find

[zealous oar]

i'm pretty sure he's in there

[abstract valley]

it's not a part of RoR2Content

he just has a body that is transformed into

[gray mulch]

Ah

[zealous oar]

hm

[abstract valley]

just need to add a survivordef for him

[gray mulch]

In that case, add survivordef that uses that body

[zealous oar]

do you have a scriptableobject for the survivordef?

[gray mulch]

Still a one liner for most part

[abstract valley]

and hook character start to add the heresy items

because he doesn't actually have a moveset

[gray mulch]

You could try and make that different

If I were to tackle that I would probs rewrite the skills to work without the items, and then add in special scaling types instead of replacing

[zealous oar]

probably easier to add the moves than it is to add the items

[abstract valley]

nah, code for adding items is already there somewhere

[gray mulch]

More fun on design side

[abstract valley]

with captain

just need to find it

fixing his skills is work to be done on a v2 lmao

[gray mulch]

Im itching to make gasoline less autoplay atm lol. So much itching

[zealous oar]

scriptableobjects are annoying as hell though i think

[abstract valley]

really what I'm worried about is him dying too fast if you have no items

[gray mulch]

Probs gonna make all on kill items not scale from your base damage, but instead the overkill damage on the enemy

Makes them less universal free wins

[zealous oar]

what vers of unity is the current release of ror2

[gray mulch]

2018.4.16

[zealous oar]

just gonna make scriptableobjects in the editor

thanks

[gray mulch]

Quick tip, if you right click exe and go to properties for any unity game unity ver is there

[zealous oar]

oh sick

that's good to know thank you

should be easy enough to make a scriptableobject asset just by populating the survivordef code in the unity editor

i'm assuming that's how everybody that's actually smart does it

[gray mulch]

You can create scriptableobjects at runtime.

[zealous oar]

oh neat, that could be useful too

however at the moment, i'm interested to see if it will load assets from a mod's working directory

[gray mulch]

Nope. You gotta load an assetbundle yourself, extract the asset, and then place in a content pack and provide that to the game through ContentManager

[abstract valley]

^

[gray mulch]

And then you gotta wrangle around and hope to god the execution order doesn't ruin everything

[abstract valley]

Rein, what would you say to a BepInEx update right now

to 5.4.9 with bundled HookGen

[gray mulch]

No

Hookgen can die in a fire.

[abstract valley]

damn 😔

[gray mulch]

I will literally ship a bepinex that does not include it if it is added to bepinex.

Hookgen existing kills half my fps.

[zealous oar]

isn't there another loader that people use?

[abstract valley]

no

[zealous oar]

I remember my brother talking about some other loader for other unity titles

[abstract valley]

MelonLoader or UMM probably

ror2 doesn't use them

[zealous oar]

melonloader

[abstract valley]

in any case I need to get a new MMHook onto thunderstore somehow

[gray mulch]

Hookgen should be its own mod, thats really the simple of it.

I basically cannot play the game with any mods but my own because of how badly hookgen kills perf

[zealous oar]

pff

code injection ftw

[abstract valley]

HookGen specifically or MMHook in general?

[gray mulch]

mmhook in general.

[abstract valley]

weird

[gray mulch]

I manually inject my code with hookendpointmanager

[jade prairie]

guys whats the achievment name for captains nuke im not doing that stupid challenge

[gray mulch]

runtimedetour is all you need

[abstract valley]

so that's why the non-dependence on r2api

[gray mulch]

Yup

[abstract valley]

been using RuntimeDetour, just using it manually with Hooks and ILHooks is a pain

[gray mulch]

My ram timings are screwed up, even vanilla I get murdered by stutters.

mmhook makes it like 10x worse

[abstract valley]

I would use HarmonyX because I'm used to it, but we're on an old ass BepInEx version and my PR only got included in 5.4.9

[zealous oar]

CaptainSupplyDropFinaleAchievement is the name in the dll

[abstract valley]

HarmonyX to manipulate IL is unusable without the PR lmao

[jade prairie]

thx

[gray mulch]

This is what I do. I write out an event for anything I need to hook.

takes like 5 seconds.

[abstract valley]

I see

[gray mulch]

If microsoft ever gets source generators fully working I would generate those on demand

But yeah, just release a mmhook mod. make it purely mmhook and leave it at that.

You're not going to magically fix any broken mods by giving them access to a new mmhook

[abstract valley]

oh no I completely realize that

[gray mulch]

Also, we can't get by without an API.

At all. There needs to be a central place for mods to do things because nobody takes the time to ensure their ILHooks stack properly.

[lone edge]

ok so my in game profile is gone whenever i boot up modded version, but not vanilla, in both cases my brothers profile stays

[gray mulch]

Mods borked by update. unless a mod updated in the past day assume its dead.

[abstract valley]

hey DebugToolkit works (thank god)

[lone edge]

so vanilla for now i suppose

[abstract valley]

yep

[gray mulch]

No you should play sniper :)

This way I don;'t have to test it as much for any bugs.

[lone edge]

dang i was really enjoying my hitbox mod

underated mod

[zealous oar]

bugs are fake, what you meant to say was "unintended features"

[gray mulch]

Exactly. Like the feature where the reload bar was invisible. Feature.

(invisible because some big meanie decided to change the hierarchy of the UI and I had to spend an hour logging that new structure to console to find the right place through trial and error)

[zealous oar]

heretic has a survivordef

@abstract valley

[abstract valley]

funke monkey

I wonder why it isn't loaded with the rest

[zealous oar]

probably so you can't pick him from the menu

idk

[gray mulch]

Damn you why is the head on backwards.

[abstract valley]

and it's never used

you just directly transform into the body when you get the items

[zealous oar]

maybe a testing thing then

[abstract valley]

makes my work easier though

don't even have to add a content pack

[thorn swift]

[obsidian kraken]

Anyone know of any mods that buff commando?

I've tried honpo rebalance but that actually just puts in him s++ tier

[sick dagger]

MandoGaming - but everything is dead right now post-update

[gray mulch]

Well. That is that I guess. Roguewisp is perma dead, as is genfixes. Neither of those mods are reasonably possible to make anymore.

It's been fun while it lasted, but thats the end of me in modding community.

[zealous oar]

wdym

[gray mulch]

I would need to remake every single vfx asset in roguewisp from scratch because the contentpack system hard locks in the load timings.

I can no longer make an effect that uses a vanilla texture for example

[spice vault]

man.... that sucks

[mossy lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-salute-mgs3-gif-9277925

[zealous oar]

oh damn

[spice vault]

really hope to find a solution one day

[tacit zephyr]

hey so can there be a fix for the Elder Lemurians

after they target you if you go say behind them, they'll break their neck and shotgun you with fireballs anyways

seems like they need a retarget script if you move behind them

if they acquire you as a target they will break their model to shoot ya

[gray mulch]

its a shame. Roguewisp was like, my child. Dumped maybe 3-4k total hours of my time making it. Really hurts to see it go up in smoke.

[tacit zephyr]

That's Rein right?

[mossy lagoon]

wispy ruled

[gray mulch]

yup

[tacit zephyr]

good to see you Rein. Sorry to hear your not modding (as much?) anymore

[mossy lagoon]

I mean what you could do is play on the scorched acres branch for forever and mod for that

[misty heath]

Do you have access to the base textures from vanilla?

Like, is there something stopping you from copy pasting a texture from vanilla and using that for modded files?

[gray mulch]

Laws

[zealous oar]

yeah probably not do that

[gray mulch]

That is redistributing an asset, which, although some people are OK with that I'm not.

[wise ferry]

Can you not load a texture used by the game within a plugin?

[misty heath]

Yeah but that’s not redistribution (if it’s a mod for the game from my understanding coming from Halo:CE) and you would be breaking the law anyways by including any sort of cut content from the game in the first place

[wise ferry]

including an asset in the mod download would be redistributing that asset

[misty heath]

Yeah but then all the cut content mods would also be redistributing stuff then?

[wise ferry]

Not if they don't include assets, no

Usually cut content is still in game files, so they unlock access to that content

They don't provide that content itself in the download, that content already exists

[spice vault]

wouldn’t loading with a plug-in cause some issues with frame rate

[wise ferry]

EG: Bandit
They've been in the game files for a long time

[misty heath]

Fair enough. Coming from stuff like Ravenfield where we had steam workshop and still used the game engine there were no repercussions copy pasting and editing textures for use in that game.

It uses Unity engine too. The thing is about the asset redistribution is that it would require the base game anyways to actually function

[gray mulch]

I can load resources textures. But the textures and meshes I needed are not in resources. Instead I need to grab them from the hard assets which are not accessible with code. The way I grabbed them was I had an absolutely massive indexing system that would grab various things indirectly as they were loaded by the game and navigate through them to get at the assets I needed indirectly.

All of the assets I needed were loaded by the game during the effect system loading, so what I did was let the system load, grab all the things I needed and generate the various vfx (there are like, hundreds of particle systems and materials) and then add those things to the catalog and force a reload of that system.

The system is no longer possible to load more than once, so I have no way of accessing those assets unless I start directly injecting all of my mods code into that system which is not a viable solution in the long term.

[wise ferry]

Sure, the point Rein is making is that if you redistribute those textures, there's nothing stopping someone from taking those textures and using it for an entirely unrelated project

If I gave out a png, you could just take it

[misty heath]

Yeah I know that. I’m fully well and capable of understanding that.

[misty heath]

Alright.

[wise ferry]

Could be worth asking to have this stuff as an assetbundle?

Or at least accessible in some other way

[misty heath]

I’m surprised they don’t have a tools setup for the game with some vanilla assets setup for use

[gray mulch]

It would be, that is something twiner and I haave been asking for for like a year and a half lol.

[zealous oar]

am i stupid

[misty heath]

Damn that sucks

[zealous oar]

how the heck does a json file like

stupid thing

[wise ferry]

https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/json/

[zealous oar]

yeah ok my json file is correct then

i must be missing something here

[wise ferry]

https://jsonlint.com/

[zealous oar]

yup valid

[misty heath]

If only risk of rain had proper modding toolsets 😩

[wise ferry]

so then what's wrong

[wise ferry]

ask more 👀

[zealous oar]

i'm not sure, i think it might be something semantic with the way that the modloader wants the metadata files to be set up?

[wise ferry]

You're talking about a config file?

[zealous oar]

yeah.

[gray mulch]

modloader doesn't want metadata files. ror2 doesn't actually have a modloader, that line of code is a test but not likely to be pushed any further

[wise ferry]

for what mod?

most use .cfg rather than .json

[zealous oar]

it certainly seems to think something about the file

[misty heath]

Figured the modding scene was a little bit in its infancy here. Honestly surprised you guys actually managed to do so much without a proper toolset though

[gray mulch]

We did have a toolset

[misty heath]

Tbh. Something to be proud of

[zealous oar]

the game is two years old.

[misty heath]

But not in unity?

[wise ferry]

There's ThunderKit

[misty heath]

And not with proper mod support?

Well, I’m talking official

[zealous oar]

that doesn't stop people, never has, never will.

[gray mulch]

Back in skills 2.0 they added the catalog mod helpers. Those made a massive difference and are the only reason we got past the character adding wall.

[zealous oar]

people have been modding unity games for years

[gray mulch]

And that was an official feature for mods

[misty heath]

Gotcha.

[tacit zephyr]

for the record, Rein and Ebkr know more about this than most people lmao

[gray mulch]

Their stance was sorta "Not official support, but officially supportive"

[misty heath]

Yeah I know ^ is kinda what I’m getting at a little

Ravenfield had a different mindset there

[gray mulch]

And it was great. There were a handful of problems, but we expanded upon that baseline system to get our current tooling and api. Everything was built on top of that.

[tacit zephyr]

Rein why did the latest update break Rogue Wisp

[misty heath]

He explained further up

[gray mulch]

And that was removed and replaced this update, so ofc everything comes crashing down

[tacit zephyr]

curious because in the patch notes they said specifically that Bandit for instance was a separate name to keep the mod working

oh I see

[misty heath]

Oh and I know, I’ve been modding unity games for 3 years

[gray mulch]

In addition, we were actively pushing the limits of the system. A lot of stuff was dependant on the smaller details behind the scenes because that is just how modding be.

new system has different little details, and different limits. anything outside those basically gets screwed. IE, roguewisp and its skin system.

[zealous oar]

now you know how minecraft mod developers have felt every year for the last 10 years

[misty heath]

Yeah lmao

And I’ve felt it myself with unturned

[mossy lagoon]

minecraft

[spice vault]

fortunately you can still play on older version with minecraft

[gray mulch]

where I am basically encoding a bunch of user settings for colors, patterns, and other stuff into a single 32 bit uint, and then dynamically generating the whole set of vfx and everything as needed.

[spice vault]

no coming back from this update for now tho

[gray mulch]

I'll still take care of sniper I think. As long as its a reasonable amount of effort to do so

[misty heath]

Technically you could, but it’s not really worth the steam mumbo jumbo

(Referring to update regressions)

[spice vault]

don’t force yourself too much !

[uncut widget]

wait so did this update fuck up modding permanently

[zealous oar]

no

[gray mulch]

It did fuck roguewisp and most other mods permanently though

[wise ferry]

i wouldn’t say most

most of yours though

[gray mulch]

I don't really know who is gonna fix r2api lol

[gentle jasper]

oof proppersave is broken

sadge

[gray mulch]

Like, I know rob is very very pissed about how much stuff is broken and he said 1-2 times he might just say screw it

Permanantly broken doesn't mean totally impossible to fix, it just means the amount of work involved in fixing is more than the dev has time to put in.

[zealous oar]

i'm sure somebody will step up to take their place

such is the life cycle of modding communities

[spice vault]

i struggle to understand what did they do to help modding in this update

[vestal gulch]

They didn't make it easier, it was done to streamline the process and make it faster to fix in the long run

Essentially, they favored breaking stuff now so it doesn't happen again down the line.

[zealous oar]

it seems to have good extensibility, and probably will help streamline producing the expansion coming at the end of the year.

[uncut widget]

oh so basically break now so it can be fixed rather than break it later when it would be harder to deal with

[gray mulch]

So like, sure, that makes sense, except one little thing...

Any company that is maintaining a public API does these things over a period of time. They phase out old interfaces over the course of a few updates, to give people time to adapt, and also to make it so that any limitations that come up with the replacement system can be addressed.

[zealous oar]

the api isn't public, you have to disassemble the class library to read the damn thing

[gray mulch]

And in this case, that was 100% possible, evidenced by the fact that I literally re implemented the old system in 7 hours to get sniper to work.

You have obsolete attributes, you have the ability to map functions to eachother, type forwards. .net gives you many many tools to help deal with this exact type of thing.

[uncut widget]

i mean, is there any way for them to fix it?

[zealous oar]

kind of beyond fixing it at this point, better to just move forward.

[uncut widget]

[gray mulch]

totally fix is not possible, but if they added the old interface back in a few mods might start working again.

[mossy lagoon]

going to be sad if modding dies bc of this

[gray mulch]

but thats not something that we'll see any time soon, because the update cycle is not fast.

[mossy lagoon]

but it means I can move on and play other stuff lol

[gray mulch]

i spent the past ~8 hours desperately trying tons of stuff for roguewisp. basically had to just stop and accept that it was dead. Sad doesn't even begin to cover it, again, that mod was like, my soul lol.

[mossy lagoon]

I haven't played him too much recently but I played him a bunch in 2019

when he was the only modded character

[jade prairie]

holy crap that sucks

ik this aint the place to ask (well it sorta is) but has anyone updated/made a save editor for the lastest version

[mossy lagoon]

no

[jade prairie]

oof

[mossy lagoon]

wait save editor? like saving runs or like changing your in game profile

[jade prairie]

changinf profile stuff

[mossy lagoon]

bc you don't need an editor to do that

[jade prairie]

it might not be soon but i honestly hope it's readded

sucks to see everything break like that

[mossy lagoon]

look up a tutorial on how to get to your profile xml file

[jade prairie]

true but its easier and less messy

[mossy lagoon]

you can just edit that

oh then no

[bronze pawn]

If they dont bring it with a new patch or something beforehand, it maycome with the expansion which is assumed to come really late this year

Honestly it is sad that this created such a fallout, the new update is good but mods already did those stuff and gave unlimited content, I will revert my game back to the older version

[jade prairie]

literally anything is better then everyones progress and hard work being thrown into a trash compactor and finely grinded into a thin layer of dust

i really dont see an issue

yea mods got broken but whatever

w-whatever???

if a game updates mods will break

[gray mulch]

Its not broken. Its dead.

If it was broken I could actually fix it

[jade prairie]

Do you know how rude that is to every single person whose put HOURS of work into their mods now to have it dead???

either get the modder to fix it or ask to take over.

Because they removed systems???

[mossy lagoon]

literally thousands of hours

[bronze pawn]

that is arrogant

[mossy lagoon]

10s in some cases

[jade prairie]

it's NOT fixable

[gray mulch]

I've dumped literally three to four thousand hours of my time into rogue wisp lol.

[mossy lagoon]

and naive

[jade prairie]

that's the issue

oh no, anyway

[spice vault]

dude do you even realize how much work a mod takes lol

[jade prairie]

what the heck is wrong with you

[mossy lagoon]

this is bait

[spice vault]

you should honestly shut up and we should stop giving them attention

[jade prairie]

no, but yall are in denial that mods broke due to an update

yeah most likely

[bronze pawn]

You are allowed to have your opinion however you are kinda disrespecting the work and development cycle

[jade prairie]

the way i see it you just gotta move on

[gray mulch]

Not in denial. That was me 3 hours ago when I still had any hope of salvaging the character.

[bronze pawn]

we know the mods will break, we are debating if it was worth it

[mossy lagoon]

guys a dumbass basically just ignore

[jade prairie]

as i see it theyll most likely realize this mistake and readd the old systems

[spice vault]

breadguy right

[jade prairie]

i dont think they expected it to break this badly as crazy as that sounds

no point in whining, wont do any good. at the end of a day what did you expect?

i know they ain't trying to break every mod in existence

[mossy lagoon]

stop talking you have no idea what you're talking about

[jade prairie]

updates break stuff, thats just how modding works

[spice vault]

BREADHUY WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY

[bronze pawn]

I hope so and quite hopeful that they will see this fallout, the development is understandabley slow and mods help to pass that time till new content

[jade prairie]

so i'm sure one day youll be able to get back onto the rogue wisp grind the question is when

honestly i bet there'll be a patch soon

[gray mulch]

no ofc it wasn't intended, much of this is side effects. They were genuinely trying to help us and I appreciate that greatly. I just wish it didn't go wrong.

[jade prairie]

do you believe that they'll fix it

[mossy lagoon]

and it wasn't this bad ever before

[jade prairie]

i do, im sure they can add the old systems back

breaking mods aint good dont get me wrong. updates tend to have side effects. ranging from making the mod broken to making it useless

[bronze pawn]

That gives me hope that they might try to re-fix or get back to old assets

[jade prairie]

it might break some things but atleast the mods won't be dead

[bronze pawn]

since their intention was to help but went bad

[mossy lagoon]

well not since the modding community took off

[spice vault]

probably but i think the changes were also to help them

[jade prairie]

many mods die, weather due to devs, or lack of fixes

[spice vault]

so... yeah

[jade prairie]

yeah im sure theyll fix it

[spice vault]

honestly, how hard would it be to add new content as a mod in the older version

[jade prairie]

impossible in some ways

can't add dlc as mods for obvious reasons

[gray mulch]

No these were 100% aimed at helping us. And in long term they are a good idea. The problem is all of the edge cases where mods were doing something the game wasn't designed to do (Which is like, the point of mods XD) and were relying on the ability to get access to certain things at very specific times.

[spice vault]

ah

[jade prairie]

im sure theyll readd those cases in one way or another, until then i would probably stick to the old version

[spice vault]

i mean, they must’ve know that right

[jade prairie]

they probably did they just didnt expect it to break this badly either

[spice vault]

sad

[jade prairie]

as i said i have full confidence they'll fix it

[gray mulch]

Not without actually testing. I didn't think the new system would do this and I know my codebase inside out.

Its too much stuff to realistically keep track of, the only viable way is with testing.

[spice vault]

hoping hoopoo reads it here lol

[jade prairie]

Oh i bet they definitely are

[spice vault]

anyone here has enough faith to put it in feedback perhaps

[jade prairie]

breaking the current mods is a small price for future mods to be better

especially so early on in ror2 life

you know you should actually put it in feedback raein

[jade prairie]

it didnt just break them stop saying break the mods are literally dead

no one wants to rewrite everything just to fix their mods

and even then it still wouldnt work probably in the case of rogue wisp

[spice vault]

also “early on in ror2 life” you know the game is actually older than the 1.0 lol

[jade prairie]

early life was 2 years ago

[frosty quarry]

fella this game is 2 years old now...

[gray mulch]

No need to put in feedback, they are aware of the issues, ghor is really good about communicating with us.

[spice vault]

nice !

[jade prairie]

it'll def be fixed then

[gray mulch]

Its just that there isn't a clear path to a solution here

[spice vault]

crossing fingers

[jade prairie]

just don't stress too much over it until then i'd say

and yeah that's fair i am sure there is a solution

it might break stuff still obviously but atleast they wouldnt die

[true totem]

For r2modman, my mods are not loading in, what should be the location for

[spice vault]

steam/steamapps/common/risk of rain 2

[gray mulch]

Like, if the system was completely rock solid I could certainly make wispy work again. But people like twiner and me have been slamming our head into some of these problems for a very long time. The solutions are major amounts of work for things like asset referencing (what killed wispy)

[wise ferry]

Steam directory should point to your steam install

not sure why you have it on your desktop in a folder called New folder

[jade prairie]

i'm sure it'll be fixed though (i hope i am not getting annoying)

I just know that hopoo actually cares about the modding community

[bronze pawn]

Can we still find wisp in thunderstore?

[true totem]

@wise ferry

Idk why it's set to new folder

[mossy lagoon]

it got deprecated like a half hour ago

[gray mulch]

it won't work. None of the vfx are behaving properly (Lots of purple squares, everywhere) and I haven't been able to even get past those to find the other problems that exist (and there were so many errors lol)

[wise ferry]

Folder should contain Steam.exe

[bronze pawn]

Is there a way I can get it? I will change back to the older version so I can keep going with the mods

[jade prairie]

then wait for it to be fixed, or change version

[wise ferry]

Usually C:/Program Files (x86)/Steam

[gray mulch]

I haven't slept since the update, I got sniper working and immediately moved on to work on wispy.

You can get the old version on thunderstore, I just don't know how offhand.

[true totem]

My steam.exe is in that new folder.

[wise ferry]

well I guess that’s fine then

[wise ferry]

Try this

https://github.com/ebkr/r2modmanPlus/wiki/Why-aren't-my-mods-working%3F

[mossy lagoon]

go sleep bro you're going to get delirious

[jade prairie]

i for one agree

[spice vault]

fall into a slumber and awaken by a ping of hoopoo saying they fixed the issues with mods

[gray mulch]

(but I need to go to work in an hour)

[jade prairie]

or the hell of people asking why u no fix

[spice vault]

(oh.)

[bronze pawn]

(shit.)

20 minute power nap time?

[jade prairie]

most mods are dead, not working. i dont see the issue. mods break, die and get remade, reborn...

[mossy lagoon]

how much time have you put into modding?

[spice vault]

(ignore him he can’t connect the dots)

[jaunty cargo]

Wow, this is depressing

[bronze pawn]

we see a lot of issue with that and I am going to speak up and gonna say that you have been saying that for the past 25 minute, we get your opinion jesus christ

[jade prairie]

no one wants to remake 4k+ hours of progress

[zealous oar]

it's one of those things where like, imagine you built your entire house from the ground up, board by board, just to have it burn to the ground. you can rebuild it, but you're still going to be upset.

[gray mulch]

I'm just gonna chill and try to get a more detailed analysis of exactly what happened that caused this so that a better system can be made that will avoid it.

[mossy lagoon]

yeah well spectre didn't do it so not his problem

[jade prairie]

nobody wants to, but when push comes to shove one either does that or leaves the mod abandoned. suffering the same fate given time

[bronze pawn]

we are also not trashing the game nor the developers, this was aimed to be helpful which got wrong

[spice vault]

take care yo

[bronze pawn]

Alright mate, just chill and relax, you already did more than you had to which was zero

[mossy lagoon]

this spectre guy talks like he thinks he's the smartest person on the planet good grief

[zealous oar]

still beats launch week.

[jade prairie]

yup

[gray mulch]

Launch was easy fix though.

[mossy lagoon]

1.0 wasn't this bad at all

[gray mulch]

took less than an hour to get sniper and wispy was up a few hours later.

[mossy lagoon]

the 1.0.1 hotfix was worse than 1.0 and it wasn't that bad either

[zealous oar]

No i mean like, beta launch.

this server was a nightmare

[mossy lagoon]

oh lol

[jade prairie]

ea launch?

[spice vault]

oh well

[jade prairie]

or 1.0

[spice vault]

makes sense

[zealous oar]

i want you to think really carefully

about what you think "beta" means

and ask me that question again

[spice vault]

you’d be really surprise at how much kids there are here

[mossy lagoon]

oh yeah

[jade prairie]

to me 1.0 was a beta. this update is the real 1.0

what

[zealous oar]

LMAO

[spice vault]

or maybe not surprised at all lol

[versed condor]

what

[bronze pawn]

alright this is getting ridiculous

[jaunty cargo]

Based but please be quiet