ror2-modding

[willow oasis]

idk they just feel to goofy

[timid swallow]

in logbook

[grizzled anchor]

gain +5% damage for each mod you have installed that abbrievates to SS

[echo temple]

that was like noobs thing

[haughty leaf]

Slips Stuff Too buff

[timid swallow]

truly noob thinh

[echo temple]

ok I swear potmobiles just fling themselves off the edge all of the time

[willow oasis]

my brother I have like 4 other contentr mods how am i supposed to know

[grizzled anchor]

only 4?

[haughty leaf]

https://thunderstore.io/package/Bubbet/WhatAmILookingAt/

[acoustic raft]

ok for the items I think thats like tru because you can just look in the logbook what
but idk where you would figure out the exact elite stats without someone telling you

[timid swallow]

What Am I Looking At by Bubbet

[grizzled anchor]

if you dont have at least 14 expansions are you even playing the game

[timid swallow]

expansion expansion

[willow oasis]

I still dont wanna have to go thru every item searching why isnt there a comprehensive list / wiki?

[prisma oracle]

they didn't want to make one

[timid swallow]

why would someone bother with it

[willow oasis]

because almost every item mod lists items on its mod page

[haughty leaf]

Starstorm didn't have one for awhile either till I went and just manually wrote everything down and pasted the txt into the discord 😛

[timid swallow]

not everyone will handle shit on an ornament plate to you, spoiled brat

[willow oasis]

yo sauce me that 😼

[opal raven]

are starstorms items balanced?

[timid swallow]

yes

[willow oasis]

mod creators should document there mods bro

[haughty leaf]

https://github.com/TeamMoonstorm/Starstorm2/wiki/Items

[timid swallow]

they are documented
in the logbook

[haughty leaf]

I can't wait to learn modding to do the exact opposite

[grizzled anchor]

simply pull a hopoo and dont document

[haughty leaf]

Vanilla Friendly. No patch notes

[willow oasis]

mod devs not documenting is like making a food and not having a nutrition label

[haughty leaf]

Tbf the vast majority of mods wont do something completely unexpected

[versed condor]

dont the logbook entries contain the item stats

[haughty leaf]

It's like on one hand the amount that have random ass features

[grizzled anchor]

still nice to know whats in the mod before you install

[willow oasis]

^

[grizzled anchor]

you cant see logbook entries until you've already gotten the item in-game (or have cheatunlocks)

[echo temple]

I think putting everything on the front page just ruins a lot of the surprise but I think there should be a place to get a comprehensive list of everything if you really want to

[wanton rock]

gotce is the only one i can think of that does something unexpected but gotce isn't exactly something you expect

[willow oasis]

reminds me of youtube thumbnails you technically dont need it but its nice to know what your getting into

[grizzled anchor]

gotce still lists every item on the page

[haughty leaf]

My argument to this is thus: Neither does Vanilla or SoTV

[grizzled anchor]

and what they do (mostly)

[willow oasis]

put it under a spolier thing then

[wanton rock]

i'm talking about your removal of the lunar slab

[grizzled anchor]

mentioned in changelog

under the items

[versed condor]

can you make spoiler sections on the thunderstore modpage?

[wanton rock]

yes

[haughty leaf]

Aslong as a mod isn't doing something that's completely unrelated or unexpected then I think it's alright

[willow oasis]

yes

[grizzled anchor]

"Removed the lunar slab because it is an atrocity of game design"

[versed condor]

huh, neat

[grizzled anchor]

anything you can do with standard markup you can do on a thunderstore mod page

[willow oasis]

skinpacks tend to do it the most tho

[haughty leaf]

Meanwhile I fucked up the image embed on cutmandoskin

[willow oasis]

thoughts on this?

[haughty leaf]

And I've refused to fix it cause I'll do it when I fix his leg and arm eventually™️

[versed condor]

good but you miss out on potential money you could spend on any chests you left behind

[wanton rock]

it invalidates all teleporter related items which is kinda lame but other than that if you are short on time use it

[grizzled anchor]

it invalidates lepton daisy

[willow oasis]

yea I prob wont use it then

[grizzled anchor]

and that one bubbet's barrier decay on teleporter item

[willow oasis]

also hex3mod one ticket is kinda funny

[haughty leaf]

And I guess Focus Convergange

[wanton rock]

starstorms' also

[willow oasis]

me who has it disabled

[haughty leaf]

And Mystics Crystaline world 😛

[grizzled anchor]

it goes so hard how he literally calls it a barrier effect

+3 barrier effect

[haughty leaf]

So I guess it invalidates a few items accross the modding scene 😛

[willow oasis]

makes it really hard tho

[mossy lagoon]

use the instantteleporter one since it lets you make it charge faster instead of instantly

[willow oasis]

oooo

[grizzled anchor]

that one also has a config to make it so kills increase charge

[opal raven]

what difficulty do yall think is better

[grizzled anchor]

instead of just a flat charge speed increase

[haughty leaf]

Seems like preference on difficulty

[willow oasis]

quite the jump in scaling

depends if you want a higher spawn limit or not

[haughty leaf]

One makes enemies harder the other makes the director capable of spawning more

[grizzled anchor]

you need more expansions

[opal raven]

i wish i could have both

[willow oasis]

true

[haughty leaf]

I've personally just played on Typhoon cause I like it being Vanilla+. It's just harder monsoon and it's fun

[grizzled anchor]

inferno max settings

[opal raven]

do you think calypso is harder than typhoon or na?

[haughty leaf]

On paper it should be

Scales faster and enemies have more stats

[willow oasis]

[wanton rock]

typhoon also has the capability to be laggier

[wanton rock]

look i dislike plating but thats just lame

[haughty leaf]

Part of that is the fact that starstorm has a fair few log spam errors

[wanton rock]

doubled enemy cap

[haughty leaf]

WindLerp NREs lol

[opal raven]

so should i go with calypso if i want it to be harder?

[haughty leaf]

I guess

[willow oasis]

Im checking to see if it has a config I wanna make it so it so it reduces damage by like 75% instead of 100

[grizzled anchor]

the world if lesser wisp couldnt spawn as plated

[haughty leaf]

Honestly just try both. You'll figure out what you prefer pretty quick imo

[echo temple]

oh yeah for clarificiation 100% means like 100% skill damage not you always deal 0 damage

[willow oasis]

ong

[willow oasis]

then what does it mean

[echo temple]

so if you had a skill that did 500% it would deal 400%

[willow oasis]

ohhh

[echo temple]

it basically does nothing against like large hits

[willow oasis]

i guess thats better than i thought

[echo temple]

like loader punch

[willow oasis]

I thought it straight up just said fuck you and you couldnt damage it

[haughty leaf]

It's Additive(Subtractive in this case lol) rather than being a multiplier

[echo temple]

yeah wording it is a pain in the butt because of how hopoo decides to word how much damage skills do

[willow oasis]

ok yea after learning that I think im fine with plated

[haughty leaf]

Even hopoo logbook colouring is inconsitant lol

[willow oasis]

I deadass thought it made you deal 0% damage

[grizzled anchor]

it being flat is kinda j because a single stack is enough to make mando deal no damage

indirectly buffs phase round

[echo temple]

it nerfs suppressive in contrast to nades so it's secretly based?

[grizzled anchor]

true

it nerfs nailgun which is unbelievably based

[haughty leaf]

I remember early LiT I was giving some advice on how to colour the logbooks based on how vanilla coloured damage, HP, utility and even that was fucking all over the place lol

[acoustic raft]

what if it buffs suppressive fire because you can stun the plated elites so they dont hit you

[echo temple]

I think the thing about rapid hitters with plated though is you can kinda just kill them

since the health gates don't do like anything against rapid attacks

[willow oasis]

idk why I find this funny but i do

[grizzled anchor]

by the time i notice a plated elite ive already been given 293 stacks of plated debuff and can no longer damage them

spatial awareness issue

[echo temple]

because BTD6 is a funny game

if only I could play it

[haughty leaf]

I've had people get annoyed at me for not using Perma spike or spike factories in general despite having 55/63 maps completed on chimps llol

Gigachad brute forcing strats

[echo temple]

I think we should make void perma spike super mines

[haughty leaf]

That or Carpet

[wanton rock]

i have enough tack shooter exp to get a paragon tack shooter if it existed lmao

[echo temple]

and super mines spawns void bombs

that kill you

[willow oasis]

whats a good speed @mossy lagoon

[echo temple]

I think that would be good

I think there's this cool quality of life mod called bazaar is my home

[haughty leaf]

Would they triggerable by you or only enemies?

[echo temple]

it makes you win the game so it makes your life quality better

[willow oasis]

what lmao

[haughty leaf]

High plugin lists try not to install all 3 bazaar mods that give you effectively command list

[wanton rock]

so like bigger bazaar?

[opal raven]

typhoon feels super easy so far

[wanton rock]

it is just monsoon

with a higher enemy cap

[willow oasis]

and higher scaling

[haughty leaf]

Monsoon+. It's only harder if you start stalling on killing

If you're quick to kill things you wont feel the higher enemy cap

[wanton rock]

it is so barely noticeable imo

[haughty leaf]

Basically punishes being slow

[willow oasis]

typhoon is what monsoon should have been

[haughty leaf]

Typhoon in SS1 is fucking cracked

[wanton rock]

and i spend like 11 minutes on siphoned circling the stage because i get paranoid and i don't really notice it

[full garnet]

risky 1 being generally harder + typhoon = pain

[willow oasis]

yall think this balanced or nahh

[wanton rock]

scaling matters so much more in ror1

[opal raven]

whats ss1

[grizzled anchor]

it just makes glasses not useless past 10 stacks so seems balanced

[wanton rock]

starstorm 1, a mod for ror1

[haughty leaf]

Star storm 1. The mod starstorm 2 is based on yeah

[grizzled anchor]

is there a mod that removes delicate watch and elixir from the drop pool and does nothing else 😼

[haughty leaf]

Technically yes

ContentDisabler

[willow oasis]

install risky mod for better watch and elixer

[haughty leaf]

*boring Watch

[grizzled anchor]

omw to install contentdisabler and eradicate watch from existence

[grizzled anchor]

you cant get more boring than current watch

[willow oasis]

10% more damage while out of combat

[haughty leaf]

True but I like the consumable nature

[willow oasis]

but the elixer in risky mod is a good update imo

[wanton rock]

i think the idea of getting a damage boost out of danger

consumable is more boring imo

also risky elixer feels kinda bad

[willow oasis]

yea its a skill test dont get hit and you deal more dmg

[willow oasis]

I kinda like that it refreshes tho

[echo temple]

bigger bazaar and bazaar is my home is like smo good together

free win friday

[willow oasis]

real?

[haughty leaf]

Don't forget BazaarExpanded

[echo temple]

oh yeah

[haughty leaf]

The holy trinity

[willow oasis]

whats harder

[wanton rock]

the 3 "qol" mods

[wanton rock]

calypso

[willow oasis]

😼

[echo temple]

I swear there was like a yellow expansion mod

oh right stormsurge

[grizzled anchor]

not enough

[grizzled anchor]

only 10?

[opal raven]

am i the only one who thinks typhoon is too easy

[willow oasis]

beat the game with these on and hold the fuel cell plus the one ticket is that even fucking possible?

[grizzled anchor]

is there a hard limit to expansions why can ee only generate 9?

[haughty leaf]

Just wait till random itemgen adds expansionsexpansion support

[willow oasis]

what are those 😼

[wanton rock]

no

[echo temple]

add all e16 modifiers too to make it better

[willow oasis]

do you think its even humanly possible

[grizzled anchor]

randomize expansions button might need a nerf after tbh

[haughty leaf]

It's not designed to bust your balls if that's what you're expecting

[echo temple]

once again i think difficulties that just increase difficulty scaling don't do anything other than make early/mid game more dumb

[willow oasis]

I dont think its humanly possible tho

[haughty leaf]

The storm events are like the main draw of starstorm and typhoon (And technically any other higher than monsoon dificulty) get them more often

[acoustic raft]

uhh lord of the sun, lunars calling, brass obelisk factory, ss3, ghthl, remembered relics, aphelian retort, clockwork mania, ror1 revival

[echo temple]

so true groove

[opal raven]

im not looking for something that hard per say

[willow oasis]

the hell in the what the fuck in the what never heard of any of those

[haughty leaf]

He doesn't know

[acoustic raft]

yeah they're kind of niche indie mods

most of them arent out yet

[wanton rock]

does he know

[willow oasis]

[grizzled anchor]

install expansionexpansion it's a mandatory qol mod

[mossy lagoon]

it's basically monsoon

[willow oasis]

expansion expansion?

[grizzled anchor]

buffs the randomize expansions button by adding random expansions

[willow oasis]

its what monsoon should have been*

[opal raven]

do u ever use calypso?

[mossy lagoon]

I have in the past

[willow oasis]

what DO you use

[mossy lagoon]

inferno

exclusively

[willow oasis]

max settings? 😼

[mossy lagoon]

I remember liking calypso though

[opal raven]

is it modddifed?

[opal raven]

what do u use

[wanton rock]

thats impossible

trust me i've tried

[mossy lagoon]

yeah set it to 200% scaling

instead of 150

[willow oasis]

I either play inferno typhoon deluge or calypso

[mossy lagoon]

and turned down some of the stat scaling to compensate

[willow oasis]

@wanton rock I think this is more impossible ngl

[mossy lagoon]

it's minimally adjusted

[wanton rock]

wrong

[grizzled anchor]

its beatable as cracked commando

still hard which is suprising considering how op crackmando is

[opal raven]

isnt deluge kinda like a eaiser version of calypso

[willow oasis]

2 diffrent mods
they also do diffrent things
one makes monsters faster and have crit chance
one makes monsters attack faster
simular scaling but one has 25% more

[wanton rock]

cracked mando isn't on thunderstore yet 😼

[willow oasis]

me who plays base inferno and still cant win 😼

I got really close yesterday and died on fucking mithrix final phase

[opal raven]

which is harder?

[willow oasis]

here is a side by side

id argue calypso is harder

the snowy stage 1 is best inferno stage 1 no beetles :D

[opal raven]

idk if typhoon or calypso is harder,typhoon seems more annoying kinda

[willow oasis]

calypso is harder

sure more monsters but weaker monsters too so they dont go over the cap too often

[mossy lagoon]

typhoon doesnt change much

[willow oasis]

https://medal.tv/games/ror-2/clips/KUCdxcb6WQ7fo/d1337KzCG3Cc?invite=cr-MSw3elMsMTA0MDA2OTc5LA

[mossy lagoon]

it doesnt change spawn rates at all just enemy cap

[full garnet]

i love henry

and i love nemry

[willow oasis]

nemry?

[full garnet]

c:

[willow oasis]

huh

[opal raven]

bro i spawned in a area that only spawned stone titans

[willow oasis]

skill issue

[opal raven]

and golems

[opal raven]

is it supposed to be like that bro

[full garnet]

yeah thats a family event

only spawns enemies of a certain family during it

[willow oasis]

empty pack works on tickets i just realized how funny that is

not empty pack what ever its called the thing that refreshes consumables

[full garnet]

hikers backpack

yeah thats one of the main uses of it, since tickets is somewhat busted

and it doesnt stop things breaking

[mossy lagoon]

not hikers backpack

its the bag from tinkers satchel

i forgor the name

[wanton rock]

scav pack from hex3?

[full garnet]

from satchel? the one that lets you swap equipments?

[mossy lagoon]

nope its hex3

[full garnet]

oh shit theres two different scavenger pack items

the only difference is the satchel one is scavangers rucksack

[mossy lagoon]

yeha i got confused 😎

[full garnet]

thats gonna be confusing

[opal raven]

does bandits knife have aoe??

[mossy lagoon]

the melee one

[grizzled anchor]

his default m2 can hit multiple enemies

[full garnet]

the thrown one doesnt and thats half the reason why it feels kinda wacky to use

[wanton rock]

ones a green and ones a yellow so just call them savage sac and scavy sac

[grizzled anchor]

all melee attacks can hit multiple enemies

[full garnet]

honestly ive never seen scav sack ever drop cuz i barely fight scavs

[grizzled anchor]

why wouldn't you fight a scav

[full garnet]

cuz i dont loop

[grizzled anchor]

chad

[full garnet]

so they barely spawn

[opal raven]

i always thought it sucked and did low dmg

[grizzled anchor]

the shiv does even less

[mossy lagoon]

it has hemorhage

and aoe

[grizzled anchor]

hemorrhage is 133% dps

[mossy lagoon]

so good

[full garnet]

(and its much easier to use)

[grizzled anchor]

it's still better than dml

[mossy lagoon]

no dml is effected by gestureand has procs

[grizzled anchor]

dml is 80% dps under perfect conditions at base cd

[mossy lagoon]

but also enemy that lives for 20 seconds yes

[grizzled anchor]

assuming all 12 missiles hit
this almost never happens

[full garnet]

(wtf is dml again)

[grizzled anchor]

disposable missile launcher

[full garnet]

oh right

yeah i like that one cuz it lets me not have to crossmap to kill something

[mossy lagoon]

this is why hemmorhage should proc

[grizzled anchor]

hemorrhage proccing would be really stupid tbh

[full garnet]

like using shuriken to kill something farther away as melee cuz i'm too lazy to run to them

[mossy lagoon]

okay gotce dev

[grizzled anchor]

compelling argument however you actually enjoy the riskymod acrid changes

[opal raven]

moonglasess so op on warrior

also dosent hemorage just equal 2x dmg basicly?

[full garnet]

more or less but its easy to reapply and it happens off a crit

also if you have bandittweaks the slice actually becomes a fun mobility tool due to the lunge

[wanton rock]

riskymod acrid and mul-t are like the 2 biggest *why???*s for me

[opal raven]

i dont

[willow oasis]

thoughts

[full garnet]

bandit tweaks is based i love being able to hold R so i can actually aim it on higher attack speeds

[full garnet]

based

[willow oasis]

its good with bandit tweaks because it gives it a small dash

[willow oasis]

man you just said what I was abt to say

[opal raven]

u dont need to aim just look and tap

[full garnet]

yeah heres the thing right

when you play the first 30 minutes on a run pre-tapping the button to shoot it
then suddenly have to account for your speed getting higher, it gets a bit worse to aim

and its just a good qol change in general incase whatever you wanted to shoot at dies, so you can shoot someone else

[willow oasis]

am I crazy or does this sound op

[full garnet]

uhhh

[opal raven]

moonglasses are the most op thing ever on bandit

[full garnet]

sounds kinda sucky on low attack speed characters but really good on high

[versed condor]

barrier fades away quickly so it'll benefit high attack speed

[full garnet]

also the only way to make the bubbets barrier stuff worthwhile

[willow oasis]

risky mod has dynamic barrier decay

would that make it op

[versed condor]

is blank slate from risky mod

[full garnet]

nope

riskymod doesnt add any items, only changes

[versed condor]

so the item is fine on its own

[willow oasis]

I have most of it disabled because there are too little barrier items and all of them make barriers decay slower while only 1 adds barrier

troll emoji

if you know you know

[full garnet]

dont really use bubbets items anymore, i dont mind a bigass item pool since i experience practically no challenge from this game anymore and mostly play it for the fun of it

but if the items dont really spark anything in me then i dont see the point in having the mod on

[willow oasis]

man what mod makes captians beacons viable risky mod? its pretty damn nice

[full garnet]

admiral?

[willow oasis]

I dont have that installed

I think its risky mod doing the funny thing

basically captians beacons expire after like 1-2 min and you ccan redeploy

[full garnet]

hifus?

[willow oasis]

It has a few I love

[willow oasis]

I think its risky dont got hifu installed

[full garnet]

dont you have like 160 mods or somethin

[willow oasis]

just a few items

[willow oasis]

164 currently

ive prob installed close to 300 in total tho
but I uninstall alot

its fun having to debug daily :D

[echo temple]

Your game must take like 25 years to boot up

[willow oasis]

1-2 Min i think

if you want a list this size you must be willing to configure

man I love this item so much

[full garnet]

same

[willow oasis]

whats yalls item list lookin like

this is also very funny

[willow oasis]

2 of em

[strong quail]

Wildlife Camera sounds meh on the description but it's actually cracked

[willow oasis]

hex3 did you see what I said yesterday abt the range increasing item from your mod

[willow oasis]

fr I might have to nerf the cd

[strong quail]

yeah, on one hand it could go down to 15% bc it is a big increase (especially on teleporter zones), but it's also a green item so I don't expect to get more than a few

[willow oasis]

44%(or whatever it is) is quite large

ayo how tf ddoes this work

[strong quail]

I think smaller zones take more stacks to see a big increase, but teleporters are very much affected by just 20% radius up

[willow oasis]

capturing plated is very funny

[willow oasis]

yea

[strong quail]

plated elite

[willow oasis]

I got a whole collection 😼

and they are inferno beetles too

literally demons

no shot they all just got destroyed by clay men?????? or does wildlife camera mobs despawn

[willow oasis]

BRO HOW IS THIS FAIR

gesture + camera = 10 sec cd

the hell were you thinking bubblet? 😼nerf this 📸

[opal raven]

is bandidt tweaks balanced or do i need to config it

[echo temple]

does anyone like
actually die to frost wisps

I swear they just don't

[willow oasis]

no

its like sigma construsts you dont die to them

[opal raven]

anyome here use merc tweaks mod

[willow oasis]

yes

this is my tweak mod list for survivors

[modest marsh]

Does the itemStats mod work still? it says deprecated on the mod manager

[wanton rock]

Deprecated means do NOT use

[chrome mesa]

use the better ui mod instead

has itemstats in it

[pulsar quail]

which one, im using a deprecated itemstats and it works fine

[willow oasis]

enabled plated elite earlier today they piss me off so bad im gonna disable it again

its basically me coping because skill issue

[echo temple]

is this stageaesthetic new because I swear I have never seen it before

[willow oasis]

prob

either you just never got it before

or you haven't played in a month (thats when it was last updated)

[modest marsh]

nvm it works for me👍🏿

[echo temple]

am I the only one who thinks direseeker deals way too much damage

[willow oasis]

Skill issue just don’t get hit

[echo temple]

I mean yeah that is the fight

don't get hit or die instantly

[willow oasis]

Like this mithrix attack for example: just don’t get hit

Not that hard 🙄

[quick fox]

can i use skin mods in quickplay multiplayer? or is it like baned

[pale zealot]

I think the point is too be less tanky but more lethal than the AWU

[acoustic raft]

yeah idk if more lethal needs to mean elder lemurian if it got ahold of lost seer's though

[static jackal]

are there any good mods that add new enemies?

[pale zealot]

Forgotten Relics, Spiketrip 2.0, Direseeker as mentioned above, Clayman, Ancient Wisp, Archaic(I thinks that's how it's spelled) Wisp

[little nest]

any good qual of life mods that i should get?

[hollow wyvern]

BetterUI

that's the baseline of all QoL

[little nest]

ah

[mossy lagoon]

check pins

[little nest]

Thank You!

[jade prairie]

hello uhhhh i am trying to install mods manually bc i dislike mod managers but i tried installing bepInEx, r2Api, and hookgen patcher but idk if im doing it correctly

[timid swallow]

lol

[jade prairie]

i cant get my mods to work at all and everything online is confusing

[timid swallow]

just get over your disliking and install r2modman

[jade prairie]

i just wanna launch from steam and not a manager

[timid swallow]

why

[jade prairie]

because one its easier and 2 if i wanna install the mods on my deck i can

[timid swallow]

it's not easier

[jade prairie]

for launching

[timid swallow]

and how are you gonna install mod on steam deck

[jade prairie]

its just green steam button

[timid swallow]

it's 1 more click than usual

[jade prairie]

file system

[timid swallow]

anyways if you used r2modman you would be already playing modded ror2

[jade prairie]

i mean yea

[timid swallow]

so you wasted more time rn than you would clicking one more time

[jade prairie]

thats only for setup lol

[timid swallow]

im taking into consideration total time

anyways!

[jade prairie]

i just prefer direct mods instead of mod managers

[timid swallow]

i dont even remember how to do it, maybe slipskip remembers

iirc you need a bepinex folder, and then you drop mod folders into plugins folder

oh also good luck keeping mods up to date and playing with other people because you wouldnt

[jade prairie]

thats ok

[timid swallow]

search a guide, i think woolie had a really old one on manual install

[meager silo]

most mods have config files that are much easier to tweak with r2modman

anyways have fun with your future headaches lol

[glass scroll]

probably running a cracked copy, nobody is that stupidly hardheaded

[tawdry bloom]

Men

[mossy lagoon]

i can believe that somebody doesn't want to install a new program to mod and would rather just drag and drop and steam launch. but it is expected that folks won't want to provide tech support to someone purposefully making things harder for themselves

[glass scroll]

yeah its almost like there's some program that automates the process and solves most of the issues

[mossy lagoon]

[jade prairie]

Does anyone know a mod that makes some survivors as your allies? I'm not sure from which mod I got this, but I can recruit Artificer as an ally after I freed her in the Bazaar and I'm wondering if I can recruit other Survivors if there's a mod like that

[pale zealot]

Artificer being recruit able is from the dancer mod

[jade prairie]

wha-

[pale zealot]

had the same reaction

you can disable it in the configs

[jade prairie]

Dancer mod is probably the last thing that would come to mind for recruiting survivors

do you know any other mods that does this? The Artificer as a companion is really cool

[pale zealot]

also I think HAN-D is recruit able too

[timid swallow]

fetch a friend recruits rex

[pale zealot]

Recruiting Artificer also adds another player meaning more chests and enemies

[grizzled anchor]

there's also the playerbots mod which lets you just add a survivor as a minion/player

[jade prairie]

this is interesting but ffs I really have to do his quest again? 💀

playerbots is definitely a must add thanks

[haughty leaf]

Rex ain't gonna Fuel himself afterall

[willow oasis]

You missed one I think

I forgot it’s name it adds the frost wisp and some other things

[timid swallow]

that's literally the first one

[willow oasis]

It’s much harder for ror2

[willow oasis]

That’s so weird lmao

Completely unrelated

[willow oasis]

💀 I’m dumb

[pale zealot]

I probably missed many, so if you know any let me know

[willow oasis]

No you didn’t I just had a brain fart

Technically gotce adds stuff but ya know its a meme mod so….

[pale zealot]

I know I didn't I just want more enemy mods

[willow oasis]

Sigma contruct got that 0.1 kd ratio

[timid blaze]

whatcha thinking off exactly?

[pale zealot]

mod that adds enemies

or just an enemy

[willow oasis]

Hmm what needs more enemies

Like what section flying, ground, tank, boss etc

[timid blaze]

what kinda enemy tho?

[willow oasis]

Flying doesn’t have too much but then again flying enemies are annoying

[timid blaze]

cause it'd be pretty easy to make some basic ones, just reusing models and changing the texture

[pale zealot]

any really

I just want to know about them

[grizzled anchor]

cracked pest

also voidlingling but that doesnt count

its just small voidling as a tele boss

[timid blaze]

mithrixling when?

[willow oasis]

I haven’t fought it but it honestly sounds cool

Most mobs have a tougher variant pest doesn’t

😼

That’s what I think we need for a mod

A mod that adds tougher variants of enemies without one

[timid blaze]

big vulture

[grizzled anchor]

wave 3 will also add the cracked vermin

which is blind vermin but orange and with drip shoes and 5x movespeed

[willow oasis]

Vermin vulture pest

[grizzled anchor]

and it attacks by rapidly using thunderslam

[willow oasis]

Anything else I forgot or is that it

[willow oasis]

Drippy

[timid blaze]

bison

[grizzled anchor]

sending "your jordans are fake" in chat truekills all cracked vermin on the stage

[timid blaze]

brass contraption

[willow oasis]

I think we can skip that one 😼😼

[timid blaze]

does gup count as one enemy or 3?

[willow oasis]

Gup gip

[timid blaze]

magma worm? or is overloading the stronger version for that?

[willow oasis]

I think so

That weird void enemy that looks like it has squid tentacles and shoots homing balls

[pale zealot]

this guy?

[willow oasis]

Not that one the one that spawns in seeds

[timid blaze]

honestly, some of the families could use some fleshing out, like a bruiser for imp and jellyfish, and a small stone thingy

[willow oasis]

It can’t move

[timid blaze]

barnacles

[willow oasis]

Maybe that’s what the mod could be

Fleshing out some of the families

[timid blaze]

why are gup and larva events a thing

[willow oasis]

For stone it should be a small guy who shoots little laser projectiles and

Not a beam like the big ones

[willow oasis]

Funny

[grizzled anchor]

larva event is not funny

[willow oasis]

Gup event funny

[timid blaze]

also these two just don't have any stages they can happen on

[willow oasis]

Skill issue

[timid blaze]

what would a lemurian boss monster look like?

[willow oasis]

It exists already

[pale zealot]

direseeker

[willow oasis]

https://thunderstore.io/package/EnforcerGang/Direseeker/

[timid blaze]

not sure that counts, kinda just a special boss like awu, no?

[willow oasis]

Ehhh

[pale zealot]

is a special boss not a boss?

[timid blaze]

well, ya only get it on one stage

[pale zealot]

grandparent

[timid blaze]

it's like how mithrix isn't part of the lunar family, or voidling isn't part of the void one

[willow oasis]

Dude I can’t wait for the voidling nuxlar mod

[willow oasis]

Idk tho voidling and mithrix both feel like they should tho

[pale zealot]

fair

[willow oasis]

Is awu part of a thing

[pale zealot]

I don't think Mithrix should just appear in sky meadows to fuck with your day

[willow oasis]

We need a boss for sundered grove

[pale zealot]

nor voidling

[timid blaze]

nah, scu, solus probes and vultures aren't either tho

[willow oasis]

It’s the only stage 4 without a stage boss for the legy item

[pale zealot]

it has scavangers

I think that's enough

[timid blaze]

i don't think those spawn that often

[willow oasis]

Guys larva boss 😼

[timid blaze]

also, i was thinking bout some kinda special scav, might be interesting

[pale zealot]

you can get them quite frequently if you go void fields before or take enough time

[timid blaze]

perhaps one infested with mushrooms?

[pale zealot]

twisted scavangers?

[willow oasis]

Could be

But what would the unique attacks be

Dire seeker has some souped up elder lem attacks and some new ones

[pale zealot]

shoots out a bunch of spore shit on the ground

[grizzled anchor]

instead of thqwibs throws scavs at you

[willow oasis]

But yea the enemy mod should cover loose ends for enemies “families” and such

[pale zealot]

I mod that aims to finish family events so they have atleast 3 enemies would be cool

[grizzled anchor]

gotce is going to add more enemies to the families that dont have many 😼

[timid blaze]

apropos enemies, i still have this one lying around in my unreleased folder
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/788866573409845250/982378301274349659/overlord_v3.mp4

[willow oasis]

I would help but

1. No coding experience
2. No modeling/animation experience

[timid blaze]

no embed? damn

[grizzled anchor]

epic embed failure

[timid blaze]

truly epic

[grizzled anchor]

videos dont embed if you have text in the same message

[willow oasis]

What’s the most needed thing in ror2 modding I might try to learn it if I have the time

[grizzled anchor]

the link has to be the only thing in the message for it to embed

[timid blaze]

coding is easy, ya can learn

[willow oasis]

Coding hurts my head

I have like 5 mod ideas if I do learn coding tho

[timid blaze]

usually works with other stuff as well

probs just too big

[grizzled anchor]

beeble jumps

[willow oasis]

87 mb

[timid blaze]

indeed

[willow oasis]

Compress it or just upload it if you have nitro

[timid blaze]

too lazy tbh

[willow oasis]

What would middle jelly be

[timid blaze]

possibly a spawner?

makes small jellies

[timid blaze]

alright, i got my enemy base code to work, any suggestions?

also the thing i tested it with is a void reaver with ion surge, so that's just incredible

[grizzled anchor]

enemies with ion surge go so hard

gotce wave 3 has an enemy called the ion surger that attacks by running at you and using ion surge 😼

its cracked

[timid blaze]

honestly, they should just make it so overloading enemies can only use ion surge

[grizzled anchor]

when ion surgers die they leave their balls behind

permanently for the rest of the stage

balls will stay

[glass scroll]

arti reaver

[willow oasis]

Make it an elite type

[grizzled anchor]

elite that emits an aura which forces the ion surge effect onto all players every 2 seconds

[cunning oyster]

balls will stay

[coarse mirage]

Nice balls

[timid blaze]

figured out how to apply textures, lets gooo

[timid swallow]

ion reaver

[timid blaze]

indeed

might add some other ion attacks as well, just give him the full arti loadout

[coarse mirage]

Nice crab

[timid blaze]

actually, i should probs try working on this

[dapper spruce]

btw why wont the fkin r2modman update

Its been telling me 50 times that its gonna update to .34 but never does

ghosting me smh

[timid blaze]

also, if you wanna learn coding i'd probably recommend starting with reading ror2's code using a debugger like dnspy

https://risk-of-thunder.github.io/R2Wiki/Mod-Creation/C%23-Programming/Code-Analysis/

there's other useful stuff in the wiki as well, once you wanna get coding check the "my first mod" page

[willow oasis]

Alr

[echo temple]

learning a general C# tutorial is also nice

[timid blaze]

overrated, just jump in headfirst and spend two weeks trying too figure out what the fuck an if() is

that's how i learned modding

[willow oasis]

The types of mods I wanna make are:
Skin
Item
Reworks
Challenge/difficulty

[timid blaze]

skin is the only difficult one if ya want them to be actual remodels

well, same for items i guess if you want models

[echo temple]

so true

[willow oasis]

Not remodels mainly just recolors with glowy bits and some small changes to model
Like these:

https://thunderstore.io/package/Arty_Boyos/YinYang/

https://thunderstore.io/package/Arty_Boyos/KindredsLizard/

https://thunderstore.io/package/MAVRI/CaptainUnderglowDrip/

[timid blaze]

oh, no idea how to do glowy bits

[willow oasis]

I like these a lot

[timid blaze]

might require ya to actually do unity stuff

[willow oasis]

Glowy = cool

[dapper spruce]

aaaa

stupid modman

version .34 is just cursed I guess

I even downloaded the new version, bu the exe wont even work

[timid blaze]

still not working? have ya tried entirely un and then re-installing it?

[dapper spruce]

Guess thats the next thing

Im assuming the data will be fine

[timid blaze]

i think i remember it loading a while earlier for me as well

but it fixed itself after a couple minutes

i kinda just wrote it off as bad wifi

[dapper spruce]

weird

[opaque lily]

everytime i run ror2 modded it stays stuck on this screen, any reason why?

[timid blaze]

check the log

[opaque lily]

and what am i looking for?

[dapper spruce]

version 3.1.14 is literally not functional

I cant even install with the exe

[timid blaze]

anything red or yellow probably

[dapper spruce]

34*

[timid blaze]

gotta be stuck at some error

[opaque lily]

???

[timid blaze]

console

[timid swallow]

bruh

disable moonstormsharedutils

[timid blaze]

huh, one of the configs is wrong

[grizzled anchor]

MSU breaks the game if you dont have any mods that use the configurable field attributes from it

[timid blaze]

fascinating

[opaque lily]

it works now, thank you.

[willow oasis]

Try waiting

How long does it stay stuck for

Oh nvm you fixed

[timid blaze]

ok, so basically, big jellyfish that's orbited by smaller jellies

very big even

[pale zealot]

I think it would look better if it was a different color

too make it more distinct from normal jellyfish

[timid blaze]

gonna do that in a bit, doing the coding first

[timid blaze]

a bit meaning tomorrow btw, heading to bed soon and i still need to clean up a bit of code

doubled the orbit radius for now btw

[willow oasis]

whats a good balance for carapace\

[willow oasis]

honestly looks pretty cool

[willow oasis]

yea amd a slightly diffrent model too like maybe add a few tiny changes

[willow oasis]

damn

2 modders I know have very diff timezones than me

quite annoying

have big jelly explode when killed but dont let it explode by it self because that would just be mad goofy

[timid blaze]

if i knew how, sure

but i don't have any blender experience, nor do i want to get into all the unity junk

[willow oasis]

I mean I could try to learn some basic blender I have a little bit of past experience with that

nothing crazy I was just thinking a few things to make it more unique and not just a big jelly

[timid blaze]

still leaves unity, which would be annoying to set up

i kinda just do code

so many fishies

my games like hella lagging like this, i feel like my code isn't very optimized

[pale zealot]

what's your mod called?

[timid blaze]

no idea yet

[pale zealot]

Withor's family fullness

[timid blaze]

well, rn i kinda just put it inside of random skills since i was too lazy to make a new project

might actually stay this way depending on how lazy i feel on the day of uploading

oh, also, i figured out how to add new generic skills to enemies, meaning i'm not limited to e.g. just one on jellyfish

normally their skilllocator looks like this, they only get a secondary, which is why a fish with visions of heresy wouldn't be able to use them

and, also, i was thinking, heretic is kinda a vulture, so i could turn her into another enemy for that family

[willow oasis]

not a bad idea

[pale zealot]

it very much isn't but thank you

[willow oasis]

its funny

honesstly if you do every family that needs stuff

its gonan be super cool

also these guys need something

possibly brass stuff too

[timid blaze]

Could just slap the brass texture on a lemurian

[timid blaze]

Grovetender with green fur, easy

Possibly remove the mask

[willow oasis]

did not know grove tendy was wisp

or atleast didnt think abt it

for the midde imp it could be like a devil and possibly be a flying thing?

[wanton rock]

they make wisps or something like that

[willow oasis]

yea

[violet river]

@jade prairie Sorry for the ping. I wanted to ask if there were any plans to add config options for Wisps reservoir ability, or if there is a way to edit them via mods already? Doing something like only allowing the reservoir to affect Wisp, nerfing the bonuses, as an option would feel nice. I understand if you are too busy, but I saw that your tag was provided on the mod page so I decided to try and reach out in place of my friend who really loves Wisp.

[jade prairie]

What's that mod again that makes the game difficult as a singleplayer where the game functions like you have two players playing

basically the game scaling as if there were 2 or more players

[whole barn]

Multitudes

[jade prairie]

gotcha, thanks

[buoyant forum]

how come modded stages are so hard to make?

[hollow wyvern]

maps are hard to make in general

for any game, especially a roguelike with interactables

[jade prairie]

dawg what the fuck, multitudes is insane

[willow oasis]

😼

[pulsar quail]

what does the relic of termination do (starstorm)

[full garnet]

random enemies will be marked, killing them drops an item
If theyre marked for too long they gain a buff and wont drop the item

[pulsar quail]

what the crap

[hollow wyvern]

is it at least lunar

[pulsar quail]

yes

it's not frequent enough to be too OP

but you can stack it so not really

[hollow wyvern]

lmao

[full garnet]

yeah its busted

[echo temple]

busted key

[willow oasis]

Why do you hate crit synergy items

[willow oasis]

Me when ss2

[echo temple]

I think a better wording is I hate all synergy items

[willow oasis]

Ok but why

[echo temple]

and crit synergy is just hard synergy

[willow oasis]

You don’t like when items work togeather?

You want them to work against eachother?

[echo temple]

no I think they should've just never existed

hard synergy items being dependent on other items leads to items either being useless 90% of the time or insanely broken

[willow oasis]

Yes but shouldn’t items work togeather

I don’t get the logic

[echo temple]

Most already do

[willow oasis]

I love when items work togeather

[echo temple]

Items that do nothing by themselves just feels bad and I hate them

[meager silo]

hard synergy items force a certain playstyle

which limits build diversity

aka not fun

[echo temple]

Yeah and you don't need hard synergy Items to have Items have synergy

like stun grenade ukulele before that was nerfed

or repulsion helfire and razorwire

[willow oasis]

You would explode if you tried bubblets items

[echo temple]

I made the icons for a mod about bubbets items

so yes I know about it

[willow oasis]

Barrier 😼😼😼

[echo temple]

and it sucks because even worse it's with barrier*

which reminds me of aegis

[willow oasis]

I didn’t mean stuff like that

I ment 2 items that compliment each-other but you don’t need both for them to function

[echo temple]

yeah no that's good

but hard synergy items like ICBM are just

dumb

[willow oasis]

Sniper ray or what ever the fuck it’s called after it requires 9 white items to fully function

😼😼😼

[echo temple]

oh cool I got a really highly rated red that does nothing!

awesome thank you hopoo games

[willow oasis]

There are enough rocket stuff where I feel like it’s sorta fine imo

[echo temple]

there's like
a skill
a white item
a green item
a void green item
an equipment

you can definitely get quite a few runs where icbm actually just does nothing

I've gotten runs where laser scope does nothing

and crit is like the most common hard synergy

[willow oasis]

I wonder how many required synergy items I have on my mod list

[willow oasis]

I main huntress with flurry so I always make use out of scope

Even tho it’s dumb I still like it because I’m playing crit

[echo temple]

hard synergy items also just have the issue of being nerfed whenever anything is added to the pool

[willow oasis]

Skill issue

Gonna hop off

👋 😼

[dapper spruce]

Somehow Eclipse is broke🤔

Goes to black than back to char selection when I press start eclipse

Does it not work in offline mode?

No something broke in general

I cant even click singleplayer

I think something might be wrong with the lobby somehow

I didnt change anything since playing yesterday when it was fine

Nvm looks like the game doesnt function properly, when you have epic crossplay enabled in offline mode

Cant believe Hopoo abandoned this game in this unplayable state

[timid swallow]

trur

[timid blaze]

added a second ability to the big jelly
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/788866573409845250/1049656860636098581/jellymom.mp4

gonna edit the texture in a bit as well

[pale zealot]

I think the Jellies he throws at you go a little to fast to hit you

but I love the idea of it just sending suicide bomber at you

[timid blaze]

yeah, initial speed is 100m/s

they obviously decelerate, but yeah

[timid blaze]

update, jellyfish are a bitch, so i wasn't able to actually edit the texture, so instead it's just cyan now

[willow oasis]

Brother shot that like a bullet

Also don’t make it spawn too many so it’s not annoying I’m not sure what’s a good number

[timid blaze]

orbitals are 10, with a cooldown of 20s, and the primary is just 1 with a 4s cooldown

cost to spawn is 200, same as greater wisp

600 base hp btw, so slightly less than gwisp

i'll adjust it later after testing it in game a bit

also, which stages should it spawn on?

[willow oasis]

Uhhh

Normally jelly stages I guess

Possibly more idk

[timid blaze]

here's the jelly stages

here's the vagrant stages

i should also mention, i don't know how to add it to the actual monster family yet, so i still kinda need to figure that out

[willow oasis]

I guess just do the normally jelly ones

Also do you have ideas for the other missing monsters? Because if not I can try to think of some

[timid blaze]

i'll probs figure stuff out as i go

[willow oasis]

Is it the same as editing a character skin or is it different

I’m assuming it’s diff

[timid blaze]

well, normally i do this: load original enemy's material, change texture, name, etc, on body start check if it's the right enemy and apply it

but for jellyfish it was all messed up, probably cause i'm converting a bitmap rather than using an assetbundle since that'd require unity

[willow oasis]

If it’s file functions the same as a survivor I might be able to edit the skin

I’m not great at modeling tho so 😬

Some of my irl friends are so I could ask them if they have the time

I mean you could also leave it with the current texture cuz it looks fine

[timid blaze]

nah, unless if ya wanna learn how to make an assetbundle as well

[timid blaze]

that's likely the plan

[willow oasis]

Wait… how does a small wandering vagrant model look on it lol

[timid blaze]

could be better ig

would face upwards instead of towards you, guess that'd be the main difference

[willow oasis]

Oh didn’t think about that

Idk doesn’t hurt to try I guess it could look worse but who knows

[grizzled anchor]

you literally just make a unity project and get the assetbundle browser package

[timid blaze]

i might try it later

[grizzled anchor]

and then drop a prefab/material/whatever into the bundle and click build

only special requirement for ror2 is you need unity version 2019.4.26f

[timid blaze]

huh

but you don't need to get a rip of the ror2 files for that then?

alright, i guess i might look into it some time

[grizzled anchor]

and then you can load the bundle by:

AssetBundle bundle = AssetBundle.LoadFromFile(Assembly.GetExecutingAssembly().Location.Replace("dll name", "bundle name"));

[willow oasis]

@grizzled anchor is it the same as making a survivor skin? Or nah

[grizzled anchor]

nope

[willow oasis]

Or similar

[grizzled anchor]

you only need a rip if you wanna import those files and use them inside unity

such as using the model and anims of an existing enemy inside unity

[willow oasis]

A cool model would be a jellyfish + vagrant combo

Similar shape to jelly but long tentacles

[grizzled anchor]

havent made a survivor skin yet so no idea

but models are just a gameobject with certain components

such as a charactermodel and childlocator, with a modellocator on the body pointing to it

[timid blaze]

actually, maybe i'd be able to enlongate the tentacles by just editing the transforms, it worked for imps

[grizzled anchor]

you can just clone the enemy with prefabi api and replace their material one time

and it'll apply always

if its an enemy that has variants you'll have to turn off their skincontroller to do that though

[willow oasis]

Yea that could work

[timid blaze]

yeah, i should probably do that

also, look at green bnuy imp

and pog overlord

also naked mithrix is so fucking cursed

[willow oasis]

Ok that legit looks cool it’s weird how longer horns can make such a difference

[willow oasis]

💀💀💀

[timid blaze]

the overlord horns looked a bit more antler like

i feel the asymmetry also helped with the sick look i was going for

[willow oasis]

Deer demon

[timid blaze]

indeed

maybe i'll do smth like that again for the imp miniboss

oh, also

[willow oasis]

Bro 💀💀

What about mithrix without helmet ? What’s under it

[grizzled anchor]

true

[timid blaze]

super weird

[grizzled anchor]

makes sense that they didnt model anything under there since he's gonna wear a giant helmet over it

[willow oasis]

That’s funny

[timid blaze]

we need a mod that just turns of the helmet and cloth

woah, you can also just turn off the body mesh

[willow oasis]

Hammer boss fight

[timid blaze]

you can also remove the hammer

mithrix just creating explosions with his mind

[willow oasis]

For the lem boss you could do direseeker from ror1 but somebody has already made a mod for that so maybe do the opposite of direseeker and an ice lem boss?

[timid blaze]

perhaps, i'll see when i get there

also, finished removing mithrix's stuff

[willow oasis]

I do wanna help with ideas ofc you don’t have to use them but you get what I mean right?
What order do you plan to do things in so I can give ideas/suggestions

[timid blaze]

he really has that gamer neck tbh

[willow oasis]

That could be a new enemy on its own lmao

[timid blaze]

xi / alpha construct, vulture, bison, brass contraption, hermit crab, larva, minimush, parent / grandparent and solus probe / scu are the ones i don't have plans for yet

already have plans for imps and blind vermin / pest

here's the plan for blind vermin / pest btw, just like, with green fur as well

i set the texture to brazil

[willow oasis]

Damn that’s sick

[full garnet]

BRASIL-SIL-SIL

:vuvuzela:

🎺 🎺 🎺

[willow oasis]

I almost like the black one more too bad it doesn’t fit the theme of vermin

[viral leaf]

this needs to be its own mod

[willow oasis]

Fr he’s a little goblin

[viral leaf]

I would instantly download it

[timid blaze]

i'm kinda too lazy, but ya could probs get someone else to make it

[willow oasis]

Goblin mithrix mod

I could prob do it when I get home tbh doesn’t seem too hard

[timid blaze]

this should work

            On.EntityStates.BrotherMonster.SkySpawnState.OnEnter += (orig, self) =>
            {
                CharacterModel cModel = self.modelLocator.modelTransform.GetComponent<CharacterModel>();
                cModel.baseRendererInfos[0].renderer.gameObject.active = false;
                cModel.baseRendererInfos[1].renderer.gameObject.active = false;
                cModel.baseRendererInfos[2].renderer.gameObject.active = false;
                cModel.baseRendererInfos[5].renderer.gameObject.active = false;
                cModel.baseRendererInfos[7].renderer.gameObject.active = false;
                cModel.baseRendererInfos[8].renderer.gameObject.active = false;
                orig(self);
            };

just disables everything except the eye, eyetrail and body

[timid swallow]

what if you disable the eye and leave trail

[timid blaze]

eye trail doesn't know where it's supposed to be

also, without the eye it kinda looks like a mouth

actually kinda funny

[timid swallow]

AHHAHAHFJAHAGA

he's just like drg breather

[timid blaze]

eyeless mithrix should be an emote tbh

imagine this runs at you at mach 10

[willow oasis]

Eyeless mithrix is better than mithrix with an eye

[willow oasis]

So how do I make him look like this? Cuz if your too lazy to make it a mod I can do it

[timid blaze]

man

[willow oasis]

😼

[timid blaze]

just the code i sent earlier in awake

[timid blaze]

this

[willow oasis]

What abt the eyeball too

[timid blaze]

that'd be 3 and 4 as well

i'm kinda just too lazy to go through the hassle of uploading

you could also disable 6 if you want him to just be entirely invisible

[willow oasis]

Man we need somebody to come out with a mod that adds new elites I’m sick of fighting the same ones

[timid swallow]

spikestrip 2.0 in question

blighted in question

but yeah we lost an amazing elite mod long ago, waiting for slipstream to get real

[pale zealot]

aetheium in question

[timid swallow]

bleeding elites are not real

worst of both worlds

[pale zealot]

great elites

be engineer and have your turrets become sanguine

funniest shit

[timid swallow]

?

[pale zealot]

they telleport

[willow oasis]

Me having 3/4 disabled because the rest are cancer

[timid swallow]

I know
it's so annoying

[willow oasis]

One BIG thing I wanna say
No elites should have health/defense gimmicks it’s not fun it’s annoying and stupid

[pale zealot]

it's great

[timid swallow]

you are talking like vanilla elites aren't cancer

[timid swallow]

?

[willow oasis]

Better than spike strip elites

[willow oasis]

The plated elite in question:

[timid swallow]

they are nowhere close to spikestrip elites

plated elites are epic

[pale zealot]

average spiketrip fan moment

[timid swallow]

they don't fucking one shot you

[pale zealot]

neither do vanilla elites

[willow oasis]

Like how the vanilla game does it no stupid health gimmicks (welll there is healing but imo it’s fine because you can kill it easily)

[timid swallow]

blazing, malachite and overloading in question:

[pale zealot]

just spend 5 minutes per stage and you will be fine

[timid swallow]

overloading?

5 osps is fucking awesome

they don't die however dumb you build is

[willow oasis]

Yes but no isn’t it the exact same hp as the rest? Only diff is that it has shield

Or am I wrong

[timid swallow]

shield is a stupid health gimmick

[pale zealot]

look I like plated elites but you are making them sound bad

[timid swallow]

how is their best aspect is bad

I'm fucking tired of auto play by stage 4 and they help with it

[pale zealot]

it's not bad you just make it sound bad

[willow oasis]

Yea I guess I should have stated

I like the elite rework ones

Some of the vanilla ones arnt great but the elite rework ones are awesome

[pale zealot]

how does elite reworks work with spiketrip?

I've been wanting to try it out

[willow oasis]

I don’t know

I think it has support but doesn’t change the fact that 3/4 of the elites are pure cancer

[pale zealot]

that's all I needed to know

thanks man

[willow oasis]

They are cancer with or without the changes it doesn’t matter what elite reworks does the gimmick of them is aids

Plated - Spawns with health gates based on the enemies base hp, applies a debuff that gives -100% flat skill damage on hit

Warped - Has an ability that deflects 1 random projectile every second, applies a debuff that sends you upwards

Veiled - Is invisible for the first 30 seconds upon spawning, when visible again has invisible projectiles

Aragonite - Buffs movement speed and attack speed of itself and nearby enemies, on hit calls a lightning strike, on death calls a wave of lightning strikes

[pale zealot]

I just wanted to know if it is supported or not

I know what the spiketrip elites do

I like them

also does it work with zet aspects?

[willow oasis]

Plated: really aids health mechanic
Warped: the de buff is genuinely stupid and is just boring and annoying
Veiled: who thought being invis was a good idea? It’s so fucking dumb getting jumped by shit you can’t see

[willow oasis]

I believe so

Aragonite is the only decent elite in spikestrip

[pale zealot]

wait overloading changes removes shields

aight I don't want the mod anymore

[willow oasis]

Yes and it’s beautiful

They arnt completely gone tho I don’t think just less

[willow oasis]

That’s what I first thought now I can’t go back to vanilla elites

[pale zealot]

sounds like it just makes elites easier

[willow oasis]

It’s a nice change gets rid of goofy gimmick

[willow oasis]

That’s what you think buddy

[mossy lagoon]

just config it back on

[pale zealot]

maybe

[willow oasis]

I installed elite reworks because it made the elites harder and more fun

So yea it does not make them easier

[prisma oracle]

I found them to be easier with that mod on

[willow oasis]

🤷‍♂️ they feel harder too me

They are easier to kill tho because less hp

[prisma oracle]

which makes them far less of a threat

[willow oasis]

But they tend to deal more damage because new stuff

[willow oasis]

It’s not a threat when they take forever to kill but do nothing to you

and you can configure it

[prisma oracle]

what

[willow oasis]

Vanilla elites arnt that threatening because they don’t do that much

[pale zealot]

every time I hear some ones opinion about the game I feel like I'm playing a completely different game than them

like do elites take forever to kill or do they one shot you?

which one is it people

[willow oasis]

Commando gaming when he has huntress flair

[prisma oracle]

I think ror2 players change their opinion on the game based on their most recent run

that's the only answer I can come up with

[pale zealot]

this role meant friendship between our kind

[willow oasis]

Vanilla elites do less dmg and have more hp
Elite reworks are opposite
However they can be configured

😼

[pale zealot]

ror2 players change their opinion based on what they saw in a dream cause half of the people don't even play the game to back up their points

[prisma oracle]

true, actually

[willow oasis]

I had a dream where every elite I killed dropped an aspect it lasted like 5m and that was it I don’t fucking know why but it was weird

[prisma oracle]

also that is quite literally not true, elitereworks reduces every boosted stat elites get and gives them new elite gimmicks
so they do less damage than vanilla elites, they just have different effects

[pale zealot]

dude I also had ror2 dreams and they are weird as fuck

[willow oasis]

Yea and the different attacks tend to hit me more so overall more damage

I didn’t reaally do a good job at explaining what I ment tho mb

[mossy lagoon]

also reduces spawn cost