ror2-modding

[timid swallow]

i remember that modd

it's from hayaku, one of the thorium devs

[strong quail]

whats thorium

[opal raven]

terrira mod

[rancid estuary]

Where to look for log?

[timid swallow]

terara

[echo temple]

terraria mod and it adds abyssion like my favorite boss

[opal raven]

i like calamity

[timid swallow]

Recipe: log (Owner: ⁦iDeathHD⁩#0151)
A full log is way more useful for finding what your mod problem is.

If you are using r2modman or Thunderstore Mod Manager:
You can copy your log by going to the Settings screen, selecting the Debugging tab and clicking Copy LogOutput.log to clipboard
And paste it in this channel.

If you have manual install:
You can find such log file in your Risk of Rain 2/BepInEx/ folder, the file is called LogOutput.log.
Drag the file in this channel so that other users can help you.

[echo temple]

same the joke was that I don't like thoriu m

I think calamity is like way too easy though

[timid swallow]

not same the joke is that i like thorium

it has good vibes i dont care if every boss is parrot ai

[echo temple]

thorium unfortunately references rwby

so therefore it sucks

[opal raven]

does star storm add good items?

[echo temple]

starstorm 2 is like

a mess

mfw the most popular expansion mod has like 1 person working on it at a time

[opal raven]

i got it for items does it have good ones or no?

[echo temple]

but the items from what I remember are okayish

a lot of weird stuff but not 1000% sure I haven't played it in quite a bit

because I don't really find anything in starstorm 2 that fun

and my friends who worked on it said the development is pretty bad

[opal raven]

any of yall use multitudes?

[echo temple]

I don't

[timid swallow]

never bothered

[echo temple]

high levels of multitudes is just stage 1 feels bad and then you win

[timid swallow]

from what ive seen you just hog up as much items as possible on stage one and then it snowballs into autoplay

[echo temple]

^

yeah that's the multitudes gameplay loop

[opal raven]

im assuming cuz of the increased items

[echo temple]

yeah

with how items are in ror2 no matter how hard you make it you'll eventually outscale the game

making ror2 scale harder just makes it harder to win the earlygame

[opal raven]

if i just up the monster spawn rate and not item will that fix it?

[echo temple]

probably?

[opal raven]

i feel like instead of higher difficultys just making the game get harder faster the npcs should just deal more dmg at base

[tardy trail]

how do I get HAN-D (I have the mod)

[timid swallow]

he's in rallypoint, grab fuel array to power him

[tardy trail]

what's the chance of him spawning if there is one

[timid swallow]

100%

[tardy trail]

damn

[timid swallow]

it's in one of the lower containers

[tardy trail]

found, thanks

[opal raven]

aint no way this is only 2 x monster spawn rate

[tardy trail]

yeah, typhoon's pretty underwhelming

try armageddon :)

[opal raven]

this aint typhoon and i main armagheddon

[tardy trail]

👍

oh yeah, I mixed up the names

[opal raven]

ok so i figured out

[echo temple]

@timid swallow rate my merc playrate

it dropped to 0.08%

[timid swallow]

hey just enough to beat e8

e8/10

[opal raven]

you dont need typhoon for the spawn rate at all,just get multitudes and make the spawn rate x2 and item rate x1 then it will be like typhoon spawn rates exactly

[echo temple]

pretty close to like MUL-T

they both have 8 in their % so

[pseudo solar]

A lot had to be changed due to them getting added to basegame

Like, Coffee bag (originally just mocha) now its really bad lmao

[pale zealot]

coffee bag sucks so much

[timid swallow]

coffee bag more like why wouldnt you just remove it like you did with fungus and broken blood tester

[strong quail]

contentdisabler works for items such as Coffee Bag, but I keep most of the ss2 ones

[timid swallow]

contentdisabler is a better rulebook unlocker right?

[strong quail]

lets you banish items, enemies, other things from the game bc for some reason ss2 doesn't have a config

[timid swallow]

it has something to do with msu shitting itself when you try to disable items iirc

[haughty leaf]

SS2 in particular*

[pale zealot]

I think they are working on a solution

[strong quail]

maybe that's where the moonstorm errors in my log are coming from. Game still works though

[timid swallow]

slip can you check the log my head hurts cuz i didnt sleep much😭

they have an issue that their effect icons are all swapped around

[dull sorrel]

also effect visuals (i'm the victim of that issue)

[timid swallow]

https://thunderstore.io/package/PseudoCoffee/RandomChanges/

uninstall this mod, it's outdated

[haughty leaf]

Could be broken configs?

[timid swallow]

does that happen in singleplayer too?

[dull sorrel]

Didn't test the singleplayer part, however here is the strange thing - my friend has the same mods and configs as i, but he doesn't have that issue

i removed random changes btw, maybe it'll help

[timid swallow]

https://thunderstore.io/package/WPhantom/Synced_Turrets/ this one is kinda sus too, but your priority is too have identical mod packs by using export as a code feature

[dull sorrel]

Ok so, w/o Random Changes in singleplayer everyth is fine! Thanks a lot, I guess. I'll test the multiplayer part a bit later

[celest sail]

can someone help me I cannot figure out why multitudes isn't working at all

[haughty leaf]

Walk us through what you're doing. What's the issue?

[celest sail]

well i've downloaded multitudes using R2modman but everytime I actually go ingame and open the console and input the command before i go into a actual game it says it set the multitude to __ so i think it might work but when i join ONLY the enemies scale up and not the chests or anything else

I've tried going into the configs but theres not much there to change

I haven't seen much people with this same issue so idk what happened

[haughty leaf]

Could be a broken download. Uninstall it and go to Settings > Debugging > Toggle Download cache then redownload it

[celest sail]

alright

it doesn't seem like it worked

[haughty leaf]

and if you type into the games console: mod_wb_get_multiplier
What happens?

[celest sail]

"Your multiplier is currently 8. Good luck!"

[haughty leaf]

So 8 player difficulty

So now if you do: mod_wb_set_multiplier 1
That should set it to 1 player?

[celest sail]

yeah

[haughty leaf]

And it says that and not the weird __ like last time?

[celest sail]

__ was just my way of saying it was just a random num i set

[haughty leaf]

Oh lol

Do you also have something like sharesuite installed?

[celest sail]

yea

[haughty leaf]

Found your problem 😛

Sharesuite by default lowers the credits back down to balance the fact that the items are being shared/duped to the whole team

[celest sail]

so that makes it so that not as many chest spawn?

[haughty leaf]

Yeah

[celest sail]

oh

[haughty leaf]

Cause it'd be abit op if 4 players got 4 players worth of loot lol

Each*

So you'd have to edit sharesuites config for that

[celest sail]

it worked

ty

[pale zealot]

I'm sad, going to vanilla and then back to modded doesn't keep your eclipse victories with modded characters

[mossy lagoon]

mystic has a mod to fix that

[pale zealot]

character eclipse fix?

[heavy stratus]

im new player im looking mod pack how can i find do u guys have any recommendation

[pale zealot]

if you are talking about this mod then that's not what it does

[haughty leaf]

Personally i would recommend against download modpacks due to their tendancy to have issues since apparently the people uploading them never actually check the mods they added even work sometimes lol
What I can recommend is having a look at my modlist on pastebin here to see if anything strikes your fancy: https://pastebin.com/3QEkfWgC

[last schooner]

does anyone know the mod that gives me the second page of survivors? so i dont have 50 survivors bundled up on one page

[grizzled anchor]

scrollable lobby ui

[last schooner]

thank ye

[willow oasis]

I don’t mind them

The characters are fun

They are getting updates “soon” I think

also the difficulty is inferno its one of the hardest difficulties thats still "fun" imo

[timid swallow]

plus its hyperconfigurable

[willow oasis]

I have yet to beat it and that was my closest run

mithrix final phase gets a killl!??!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

not gonna spoil anything but mithrix is not a cakewalk like before

[pale zealot]

can you send me the mod you are talking about?

[mossy lagoon]

I thought that was it my b

there's also one by bubbet that syncs modded unlocks to the cloud

[haughty leaf]

It's a combo of both I think. Some mod chars just don't save their eclipse levels anyway and mystics fixes that part

[pale zealot]

RIP the dream of doing gold eclipse 8 with a huge roster of characters

[willow oasis]

Can anybody help me rq my game is bugged and either no chests spawn or no monsters spawn not both at once

and its back and fourth for what happends

[pale zealot]

do you have any very old mods?

[willow oasis]

nope

also my game is fine on inferno mode for some reason

but I know inferno isnt the issue because ive had it installed for weeks and it has not updated

[haughty leaf]

What if you disabled inferno though?

There could be an incompat with it

[willow oasis]

Rather delete the incompat then it

[haughty leaf]

Well this is to figure out if that's the case 😛

[willow oasis]

It also just sorta happend I think

I dont remember making any changes'

that would affect it

[haughty leaf]

Well unless you wanna go through cutting your modlist in half to try and narrow down the culprit you're gonna be left guessing 😛

[willow oasis]

weird part is I installed nothing yesterday'

and thats when it started happening

here is the log if you can make anything of it @haughty leaf

[haughty leaf]

I'll try when I'm not on TF2 😛

[willow oasis]

just play TF2 in ror2

[haughty leaf]

Get me a huntsman and sure 😛

[fast jacinth]

Question about the "BetterUI" mod:
can i somehow disable the additional UI beneath the time and difficulty bar ingame without loosing the detailed information when hovering over an item?

[willow oasis]

you still on 🤨

[haughty leaf]

Iw as yeah. Just finished and looking now

[haughty leaf]

Very easily. The entire mod is fully configurable

[haughty leaf]

Why do you use betterui and item stats together 😛

[willow oasis]

because of pining and item and it shows the description

[haughty leaf]

I assume you disabled betteruis version of it then?

[fast jacinth]

how do i do that?

[willow oasis]

wait better ui lets u ping and item and see the desc? i was told it doesnt

[haughty leaf]

It doesn't show the pinging part no. I use Pingprovements for taht

[willow oasis]

oh I guess ill just use that

[fast jacinth]

ah thanks

[willow oasis]

instead of item stats

[crisp heart]

How do I get out of the Forgotten Haven? I'm at the compound generator and I've tried cycling through all of the options butnothing has happened

There is no option to interact with the "replace fuel cells" box that I saw in some videos I watched

[haughty leaf]

There's teleporters around the map that always drop fuel cells. You fill it with 4 and it lets you out from what I remember

[crisp heart]

Oh I thought I tried to activate them earlier and there was no option for it, must have just misread it. Thank you

[willow oasis]

did u find anything in my log file

[haughty leaf]

Still scrolling

[willow oasis]

cuz im really confused while its doing why

[haughty leaf]

It's 160 plugins 😛

[willow oasis]

better than yesterday

thats for sure

like 195 yesterday

[haughty leaf]

Really makes it easy to troubleshoot 😛

I still think you shuld disable inferno to see if it is a incompat problem

Like a gigantic error cascade with the first mod I see in it being Bubbets but that could be complete chance

Not gonna lie this is going to be a shit show trying to just figure it out. You;re far better off halving your modlist and constantly doing that till your narrow things down to a suspect list

The upside here is that you atleast seem to immediately see the problem so the only negative is constantly relaoding the game 😛

[willow oasis]

holy shit i fixed it

that was the most stupid fucking bug ever why did that break my game

the hell dude I dont even see how thats possible

[mossy lagoon]

you can also make it only show up in the tab menu

[willow oasis]

somehow having this mfer enabled made the game break

now its fixed after disabling it

that deadass makes 0 sense why does it break monster and chest spawns

[mossy lagoon]

gaming

[haughty leaf]

Rogue hook

SUrprised Inferno fixed it though

[willow oasis]

Yea HIFU is just better ngl

Also ty for the help I wouldn’t have thought abt the plate if you didn’t mention the bubblet item error log thing

[willow oasis]

Maybe inferno has a diff spawn system who knows

[jade prairie]

:)

[timid swallow]

slay

[pale zealot]

chadnemdo

[manic estuary]

I started playing a mod with that commando and the Paladin and they’re both so much fun to play

[sterile flower]

when

[opal raven]

does better ui have the item stats mod by moeffin inside of it?

[haughty leaf]

It has it's own version yes

Everything mods do tend to say what they do on their mod pages

[opal raven]

is it bettter or worse

[haughty leaf]

Probably the same. I've just used betterui since I'm going to be using other bits of it anyway

[prisma oracle]

ItemStats by Moffein doesn’t give you stack calculations but it does give you item descriptions on-ping, iirc

[opal raven]

bro aint no way this mod only ups the spawns by x2 this feels like 10

[willow oasis]

what mod

quick question: are all of randomskills and skillsfromthedeepend not compatible with multiplayer? or just some

[opal raven]

im using a moddified version of multitudes that lets you take away the extra item spawns but keep the extra monster spawns and i have it set to 2x and lord

[willow oasis]

sounds funny

[opal raven]

bro it even spawns in 2 bosses no matter what

wtf

[haughty leaf]

Sounds like swarms is on?

[opal raven]

nope multitudes just being wacky

wish i could have more monster spawns and nothing else no extra bosses

[grizzled anchor]

that's how it works in multiplayer

multitudes is the same as having an extra player

the director has more credits to spend so it spawns more bosses

[opal raven]

the version im using lets there be extra monsters and also lets me remove the extra spawned items,but its making 2 bosses spawn and its annoyinh

[willow oasis]

sounds fun to me ngl

[opal raven]

u want the mod lol?

is inferno meant to be like unplayable hard

[pale zealot]

not if you are good

for me personally it is

[opal raven]

its too hard for you or not hard?

[pale zealot]

too hard

like even a basic beetle is hard

[willow oasis]

I think I might have too many artifact mods

[willow oasis]

I know what it is its pretty cool

[willow oasis]

its ment to be a really hard challenge

you arnt ment to beat it on your first try type of thing

your ment to learn and finally beat it after many attempts

[willow oasis]

If the inferno beetles were nerfed it would fit well into the base game imo cuz beetles are just a joke lmao

[pale zealot]

now that my dreams of modded eclipse have been destroyed I'm gonna try inferno again

[willow oasis]

almost forgot

[opal raven]

i dont like it when they deal half my health in 1 hit

[willow oasis]

eclipse 18

btw this goes well with inferno mode imo

[willow oasis]

I ment like the movement

[pale zealot]

I'm not doing eclipse 1 through 17 just to lose all my eclipse progress with all my modded characters whenever I want to play vanilla

might do it with commando though

[pale zealot]

nope

[willow oasis]

also you can use cheatunlocks to restore progress in eclipse just right click on the difficulty

[pale zealot]

that's not what the mod does

[pale zealot]

wait how?

[grizzled anchor]

right click the eclipse icon

[willow oasis]

^

[pale zealot]

sick

thanks lads for restoring my dream

[timid blaze]

those were the jumpy beetles, right?

[willow oasis]

more like a dive/lunge

[timid blaze]

i had a mod for that ages ago, doubt it still works

could update it tho

[opal raven]

hows that going for ya?

[willow oasis]

inferno?

[timid blaze]

savage beetles

[willow oasis]

wait its 16 mb

[pale zealot]

inferno can suck it eclipse for the win

[willow oasis]

also I did not do eclipse 16 I used cheat unlocks I wanted to see how hard it was

but I might go on the journey at somepoint is it fun/worth it? @pale zealot

[pale zealot]

I did eclipse 8 and I found it fun

I don't know about eclipse 16 but it's probably fun too

[willow oasis]

you might not find 16 fun tho 2x more modifiers

want me to send what it does or do you want it not spoiled

[pale zealot]

nah 16 is just 8

I already know what they do

[opal raven]

is there a mod to turn all 16 eclipse into singular artifacts so i can do eclipse 16 armageddon

[dapper spruce]

fkin hell

[willow oasis]

there is a mod that lets you put eclipse 16 as a difficulty

and any other eclipse level

there is also a mod that lets you put eclipse 8 as a difficulty

idk if that is what your looking for tho

[dapper spruce]

Is there a mod that allows me to add the ror1 soundtrack without just overwriting the old one? I want the music from both

[willow oasis]

I use this

[dapper spruce]

ok thx will check it out

[willow oasis]

however its weird because you have to have music set to 0% or 2 tracks play

but I really like it and god damn does chris made so many bangers

[dapper spruce]

oh yea same with the 2 I tried, tho its not been working great with those in generell

[willow oasis]

I discovered so many cuz of the mod

[timid blaze]

this should be the right clip
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760945335702388756/904376989211824198/literally_the_best_change.mp4

[willow oasis]

LMAO

[timid blaze]

from a year ago

[willow oasis]

somebody should make a standalone mod for the inferno mod ai changes

like an artifact

[timid blaze]

did hifu like, not credit me with the jumpy beetles? it's like the only good thing i ever coded

[timid swallow]

L + weep + rent free

[timid blaze]

tru

[willow oasis]

what are your other mods

[dapper spruce]

The other music mod I experimented with let me even set when specific music can play, but I couldnt change the volume even with the settings file and the normal OST didnt play anymore

[timid blaze]

random skills is the main one i'm still working on

not that i'm too active atm, kinda just a lack of motivation

[opal raven]

after 2 days my modpack is complete!!!

And its still probably ass

[dapper spruce]

aight vine boom on game start

[willow oasis]

thoughts on this modlist?

[dapper spruce]

looking good so far

[willow oasis]

lmao

[willow oasis]

is it motivation or ideas? because ive heard ppl lack motivation because of a lack of ideas

[opal raven]

how do i compress a list like that

[timid blaze]

nah, i have a bunch of ideas i want to work on, writing the code is just annoying

[willow oasis]

click this copy the entire list and put it into a .txt file

[opal raven]

how do i put it in a txt file lol

[timid blaze]

mainly a playable imp survivor and one themed after an inkling

[willow oasis]

right in file explorer click then

name the file whatever u want then open it and paste the list

[opal raven]

im dumb so i cant figure it out somehow

[willow oasis]

here just download this and put your modlist in it

[dapper spruce]

oh boi 2 tracks at the same time in char selct

[willow oasis]

thats why i said\

[dapper spruce]

despite music volume being at 0

[willow oasis]

you gotta mute the music

[dapper spruce]

it is

[willow oasis]

thats weird....???
never ran into that issue before....
if it presists I guess restart your game

[opal raven]

what do i do after i give it my list

[dapper spruce]

yea will have to see

[willow oasis]

drag it into discord after you have opened the file(double click on it) and pasted the list

[willow oasis]

any1 got thoughts?

[opal raven]

rate my mod list too

its my first one

[willow oasis]

seems simple but good

do lack item and survivor mods tho

[opal raven]

ngl most survivor mods look ugly too me,what item mods should i get?

i already have aeitheruim and mystic

[willow oasis]

also if you find items you dislike in item mods disable it but dont instantly disable it make sure your disabling it because you dont like and wont ever use it not because it doesnt work with your build

[willow oasis]

lostintransit and bubblets items (however I do have a couple items disabled on these)
hex3mod

[pale zealot]

spiketrip, starstrom 2, lost in transit are the ones I use

with mystic and aetherium

[willow oasis]

also try umbral mithrix (not an item mod)

[pale zealot]

was the infinite pizza fixed?

[opal raven]

i forgot i have spikestrip 2

[willow oasis]

bro called this ugly

[opal raven]

the animations were wacky on some of the mods

[willow oasis]

this too

[opal raven]

i hate starstorm 2

[willow oasis]

and this guy

[pale zealot]

that nemforcer skin goes hard

[willow oasis]

that isnt starstorm 2

[pale zealot]

WOO-D goes hard

[willow oasis]

this one goes harder

[pale zealot]

is that from another mod?

[opal raven]

give me balanced char mods that dont have terrible animations

[willow oasis]

skin mod yes

[pale zealot]

looks very cool

[pale zealot]

HAN-D is awesome and I am legally required to advertise it as I am an official ""contributor""

[willow oasis]

no way u think these are ugly

[pale zealot]

fuck new miner skin goes hard too

[willow oasis]

btw miners pose isnt like that I just ssed while he was walking out

[opal raven]

the animations are usualy werid

[willow oasis]

https://medal.tv/games/ror-2/clips/KSKHqjbPlqvD4/d1337ituhVux?invite=cr-MSw1TEssMTA0MDA2OTc5LA

[haughty leaf]

No one point out bandit2 having weird animations in smokebomb

[opal raven]

thats the first ever good char mod ive seen

[pale zealot]

if you are looking for very polished character mods
Paladin
Enforcer
for polished character mods
Miner
Sniper
HAN-D
Tesla Trooper

[willow oasis]

you call them bad yet have you tried them? this is one of the most downloaded character mods surely you saw it (paladin mod)

[willow oasis]

classic sniper?

[opal raven]

i think pal is a lil ugly ngl

[willow oasis]

skins

[pale zealot]

the one from the enforcer gang

[willow oasis]

yea

[timid swallow]

wait which mod gives him that skin

[willow oasis]

rockets not bad too

[timid swallow]

nice

kronon is fucking goat

[pale zealot]

rocket is so much fun

[next copper]

I think you have way too high standards for mods.

[pale zealot]

still in beta though which is why I didn't mention him

[echo temple]

I think i like the paladin animations more than the mercenary ones

[next copper]

I still want to rework his walk cycle, but Timesweeper wouldn't let me put the new one through sadly

[pale zealot]

for tesla trooper?

[willow oasis]

minigun is crazy

[sturdy lantern]

... looks like a dollar store Space Marine...

[next copper]

Look at my name

[willow oasis]

fr its not offical content its just people with a hobby

[pale zealot]

oh shit

didn't know timesweeper worked on paladin?

[timid swallow]

mr. heisenberg

[next copper]

Timesweeper took up the mantle of working on Paladin after Rob had left modding

[willow oasis]

whats a timesweeper

[next copper]

Since, to be fair, TS was with us nearly as long as Rob was

[next copper]

Guy who made Tesla Trooper and worked on a lot of the other popular character mods

Enforcer, miner, etc.

[pale zealot]

Timesweeper is the goat

[next copper]

He's among some of the biggest names in the modding community imo

[willow oasis]

oh im stupid

damn lych king paladin

[willow oasis]

bro I searched up kron on the thunderstore and now I have like 10000 mods I wanna download

[timid swallow]

and those are 10000 mods which are baller

[willow oasis]

I just got my modlist down to 150 too :c

GOD DAMN

[echo temple]

kinda funny how much effort modders put in for like nothing

[next copper]

The power of passion

[echo temple]

I mean I make mid tier art for a passion and I at least get money from time to time

much more money than groove made making all of his mods

[next copper]

I mean, some modders have donation pages available on their bios or servers if people want to support or send funds
Some people do modding commissions as well

Some just straight up do it for free

[echo temple]

yeah

[willow oasis]

@opal raven If you call paladin ugly just use this

[timid swallow]

just ask how much dragonyck got from comissions

[next copper]

Too much

I've comm'd the guy before

He overprices a bit, but he delivers nonetheless

[opal raven]

what difficulty yall play?

[willow oasis]

typhoon/inferno/deluge/calypso

[next copper]

Strictly Typhoon when solo

[opal raven]

i forgot what does deluge do

[opal raven]

i prefer calypso

[next copper]

Oh, MoreDifficulties

Yeah, I just stick with Typhoon for the Storms Events and that the enemy cap is doubled
Plus it doesn't just shove on random extra stats for "difficulty"

[willow oasis]

depends on what im feeling

[opal raven]

i wish i could have typhons monster cap with calypso

i would use typhon and such but i dont like the mods items

[next copper]

How come?

[willow oasis]

https://thunderstore.io/package/TheMysticSword/ConfigurableDifficulty/

[willow oasis]

disable the ones you dont like

thats what i did
I still have a few enabled that I do like

[opal raven]

i just kinda dont like em

[opal raven]

can i configure monster cap?

[willow oasis]

not sure

I just know its good for getting what you want

does anybody know if you can change the character icons in the lobby? I wanna do some funny things

[opal raven]

also is there a super typhoon difiuculty?

[willow oasis]

also can anybody answer my questions in the thunderstore discord ive been waiting for hours

ill post them here

[willow oasis]

no

[opal raven]

why is it in the configs and whats the name of the item config file

[willow oasis]

uhh I guess it might exist?

also you cant disable items without another mod because starstorm 2 has a dogshit config

[willow oasis]

I use this

[opal raven]

fuck what mod do i need

[willow oasis]

it has a config to disable anything from any mod basically

[haughty leaf]

I'm sure they appreciate that 😛

[willow oasis]

I recommend having your game open so you can go thru the items and figure out what you wanna disable

[willow oasis]

its sorta a joke the config is fine it just pisses me off when a mod doesnt let me disable there items

[haughty leaf]

A lot of things tend to turn into jokes when they bash shit for abit. Seen it enough as is 😛

[willow oasis]

nah its just a huge bother that I have

[haughty leaf]

The actual reason though is that shits been mangled from the constant porting that disabling an item breaks shit atm 😛

[willow oasis]

doesnt break with content disabler

[haughty leaf]

Being done a different way. When SS2 let you disable bits before it broke hilariously 😛

[willow oasis]

👍

[willow oasis]

anybody have answers to these

[haughty leaf]

No. Sortings based on difficulty scaling

[willow oasis]

what abt top thing

[haughty leaf]

One of you 150 mods 😛

Not seen it before

[willow oasis]

and what abt this

[haughty leaf]

If you mean actually changing image. You make a mod

[willow oasis]

[willow oasis]

cant I just find the file and edit the image or am i being dumb

[haughty leaf]

Yees and then you make a mod 😛

[willow oasis]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031536902135877722/1034730597140140052/C642101E-A94B-42A5-B5DA-2DD8DA4F53C.gif

[willow oasis]

added all this today lmao

[echo temple]

I couldn't bring myself to play a 100+ mod modpack nowadays lmao

[willow oasis]

also the reason for asking is because I like chracter mods that fit the feel of vanilla for how they look and sett mod doesnt so I installed a skin mod for it but the icon for sett remains the same so i wanted to change it too

[willow oasis]

my modpack is good trust

[next copper]

My largest profile is 83 mods I think?

[willow oasis]

this is my list if anybodys curious

[next copper]

And even then, I do a lot of checking and tweaking to make sure everything runs smoothly

[echo temple]

my largest atm has 30 lmao

[willow oasis]

urop you might find some you like here who knows

[echo temple]

eh

[next copper]

I have a second profile built entirely around KingsArena with only 63 mods

[haughty leaf]

I'm siting at 94 atm but that's built up from march 1st so yeah

[echo temple]

I've seen every mod update since like the hidden realms update

it's not that I dislike a lot of mods

[haughty leaf]

The good old purge of CUM2

[echo temple]

I just don't like many mods mixed together

I usually just play spikestrip 2.0, forgotten relics, and like 1-2 other content mods at a time on a cycle + qol

[next copper]

Due to the nature of the modding community having so little incompats, I have very little issues with having a lot of mods

[echo temple]

as for survivor mods idk I just enjoy the same 5 vanilla characters

I'd rather have more skill mods tbh to make the existing characters more customizable

[haughty leaf]

I just wish the skills mod would be networked

[echo temple]

hey listen noob plans on making skills from the deep end networked

[haughty leaf]

I know. I've been waiting

[willow oasis]

Ong brother

I mainly play multiplayer

[willow oasis]

[echo temple]

has nobody made a void fiend alt skill yet

other than gotce (it doesn't count)

[haughty leaf]

Not that I know off

[willow oasis]

as a void fiend fan its very upsetting

[next copper]

I've barely seen any mods TOUCH VF

[willow oasis]

It has great potential you could have 2 different passives that change what he transforms into (1 for normal 1 for the modded with new abilities)

[echo temple]

that's the reason why people don't mod void fiend

[willow oasis]

He’s too cool for them

[echo temple]

to make 1 skill you have to make 2

[next copper]

I was expecting the first mod for him to be one that just splits his two forms into selectable skills/skins and cancels the whole change mechanic
Bit shocked nobody ever did that. Not that I even play the character but still

[echo temple]

void fiend mod that makes his R fun when

[willow oasis]

https://thunderstore.io/package/Bog/VoidFiendTweaks/

One of the only mods that touches him

[acoustic raft]

ok no I think the reason that nobody mods void fiend is like
nobody likes void fiend

[willow oasis]

Pretty nice to have

[next copper]

Also true

[echo temple]

riskymod changes voidfiend right

[dapper spruce]

hm again

[echo temple]

but that's just because riskymod changes everything

[haughty leaf]

Perfect opportunity to completely change him and start a war with half the community that rises up in his defence

[prisma oracle]

I guess I better make my void fiend mod then

[dapper spruce]

the double music issue seems to be a menu thing

[prisma oracle]

I am tired of this viend slander ‼️

[next copper]

Hence why we also have so few mods for:

+  Railgunner
+  REX
+  MUL-T
+  Huntress
+  Void Fiend

They just have a much smaller following compared to the rest of the cast

[haughty leaf]

Huntress is the big surprise

[willow oasis]

Me a huntress main

[haughty leaf]

Given the whole, you know, scene

[acoustic raft]

nahhh mul-t and huntress are pretty fun

[echo temple]

I really like MUL-T it's just what do you add

[next copper]

I do like MUL-T

I was just saying that you don't really see many mods that aren't reskins for those five

[acoustic raft]

the issue with like mul-t alts is having to make and implement primary models which im not sure is even possible depending on how integrated they are into the animations

[willow oasis]

Someone do this

[haughty leaf]

I wanted to add a funny glue gun to mult as a bootleg flamethrower so I could be a menace with another funny skill with powermode

[next copper]

Lol

[echo temple]

so groove what the hell is MUL-Ts void skill gonna be

[next copper]

Giving MUL-T a larger array of weapons would be kind of wild

[echo temple]

we still gotta think of that

[acoustic raft]

europe remember the stupid

[willow oasis]

[next copper]

What is Engineer's Void Skill gonna be lol

[haughty leaf]

Become the turret

[echo temple]

I have an idea for engi

[haughty leaf]

Lvl 3 Engi

[acoustic raft]

idea I had for that
where its like rhythm game m1 for mul-t

[echo temple]

oh yeah you did have that

[next copper]

Spawn a single turret instead of being able to use two, but it has stronger stats and is void-based or smth

[haughty leaf]

But yeah feel like all sorts of tools and stuff could be strapped onto Mul-t

[echo temple]

I think the issue with MUL-Ts void skill is like

[acoustic raft]

yeah no europe has an idea for engi thats like pretty much final
if any more void skills get made that is

[echo temple]

groove and I both just like MUL-T

[next copper]

Oh okay
Which slot is it

[echo temple]

and the void skills are kinda designed to be antithetical to the default characters playstyle

[echo temple]

listen groove I'll like make the icons then they like have to be made because we put an effort towards them

[acoustic raft]

true!

[serene coyote]

hey does anyone know if its a mod that makes these ability-disabling mobs spawn or if its in the void survivors ? im pretty sure its a mod but i cant find which one added it 🥲 help please

[next copper]

Noted
But which slot is Engi's void skill then

M1? m2?
Util? Special?

[echo temple]

primary

[haughty leaf]

WispMod

[next copper]

Sweet

Always glad to see Engi mods give him better primaries

[serene coyote]

tysm youre the best 🙏 ridding it rn the pain

[willow oasis]

Engi with a shot gun 🤤

[next copper]

Another good one, absolutely

[willow oasis]

Makes me enjoy engi again

[echo temple]

the thing I wanted to do with engi void m1 was like the primary is good and fun but it has limited ammo and to get ammo of it you had to sacrifice your mechanical allies

[next copper]

Oh

nvm then

[echo temple]

ratio

[haughty leaf]

Eat the drones

Sorry Ahoy! Bot

Saying that an actual use for those stupid Alpha construct boss item lol

[next copper]

It'll just be added to the rest of the void skills I avoid
I think the only one I enjoyed using was Huntress's once you got enough regen or healing

[echo temple]

that is kinda the point of the void skills

and like spikestrip 2.0 in general lmao

you either love it or hate it

[haughty leaf]

I feel like for the most part the void skills didn't really change all that much except for huntress

[next copper]

I think there's a difference between "hating something but understand how it can be beneficial" vs "hating something for bad design"

[haughty leaf]

Kinda ended up mostly playing the same. Loaders might have been the most game changing but similar I guess without a grapple but funny punch

[acoustic raft]

mans already calling a one sentence skill concept bad design

[next copper]

I mean... have you seen #ideas in the modcord?

[haughty leaf]

But Huntress was absolutely the coolest skill I'll never win a run with 😛

[echo temple]

I mean like I find most of the void skills fun

other than deeprot

[next copper]

Oh yeah the Acrid one is cool as well, pairs kinda weirdly well with Voidcrid

[echo temple]

and I've met multiple people that love the void skills
other than deeprot

[echo temple]

ok nvm

[haughty leaf]

Deeprot was kind of boring?

[echo temple]

void skills are perfect

[acoustic raft]

I think the acrid one pairs pretty well with risky mod (:

[next copper]

That too

[echo temple]

yeah I just kinda find deeprot boring

[haughty leaf]

Though the funny purple lights on enemies you debuff with it get abit out of hand for my pc performance wise lol

[echo temple]

but like plasma really likes it so

[haughty leaf]

It's an alright skill that kinda gets completely fucked over on mithrix

[echo temple]

I really like Torpor that one is probably my favorite

it makes me like actually play railgunner

[haughty leaf]

Shotgun is funny

[next copper]

I just feel like, if you're trying to go for something antithetical for a character's playstyle, there's gotta be way more thought and discussion put into it
Loader just getting a beam because "melee" feels lazy. Loader is melee, yes, but also built around movement speed/momentum and barrier management, not to mention taking advantage of AOE/Crowd-Control due to her skills being able to deal with swarms of enemies efficiently.

[haughty leaf]

I do like the skills that try to atleast make you approach the game differently

But I think only really Huntresses does that

[next copper]

Huntress does a great job at it, the rest falter or fail to capture that

[acoustic raft]

dunno the main point of conduit isnt that its ranged its just that it replaces grapple

[echo temple]

yeah conduit is more or less about replacing grapple

and you use it differently as mobility

I rarely use conduit as just a ranged beam tbh

[willow oasis]

I don’t use the void huntress skill because no dash =

[mossy lagoon]

beam attack

[haughty leaf]

I did dislike the momentum lock that happens from conduit but that's a vanilla issue since so much locks your ability to control your character ever since the jumppads got changed

[acoustic raft]

I think I probably play loader more melee with conduit cause you cant just like shoot through enemies at 100 mph once every 5 seconds for your damage

[mossy lagoon]

network is fuckin cool

[haughty leaf]

Waiting for the day someone finds a way to murder that momentum change from 1.1

[mossy lagoon]

we need a mod that removes momentum lock completely

[pale zealot]

if network replaced her special skill I would love it

[mossy lagoon]

it's fucking stopid

[acoustic raft]

nah the conduit momentum lock is intentional

[next copper]

Was conduit changed or something from what I remember?
I just remember it being a beam, that was it

[acoustic raft]

you can specify that being a thing or not

[echo temple]

it was nerfed but never changed in terms of mechanics

[haughty leaf]

Idk the momentum stuff just feels bad in general personally

[acoustic raft]

[haughty leaf]

Disliked it when it was added to vanilla since the start

[mossy lagoon]

it's sucks as hell

[acoustic raft]

I think it feels bad too but personally that encourages me to play around it more

[mossy lagoon]

you sound insane right now

[next copper]

^

[acoustic raft]

iirc when it didnt have the momentum lock it kinda just felt like grapple but backwards because it was too lenient

[prisma oracle]

sorry Groove I can't agree

momentum lock just does not feel fun ever

[acoustic raft]

maybe its not a good point but my point is like
it mostly feels bad when you mess up the movement

[next copper]

OG Demon Souls players be like
"Yeah the game is janky, but you just learn to play around it which is way more enjoyable!"

[mossy lagoon]

groove you forgot to take your normal pills!!!!

[acoustic raft]

get ready for bad take heaven but I think its like what hopoo said about captain skills in hidden realms where something would be lost if you got rid of it

[next copper]

The point was to be better than Hopoo

Not make the same mistakes

[haughty leaf]

Lost in the sauce

[prisma oracle]

well I think cap losing his skills is fine

[echo temple]

I have like no opinion on momentum lock

if it went away whatever

[prisma oracle]

its not something you encounter on most runs unless you always choose to go to void fields or gilded coast
but the momentum lock, you always encounter that so it always annoys you

[echo temple]

but I don't like hate it atm

[next copper]

Okay, the end of Conduit moves you, this was something I didn't know, never specified in the ability
Used it only to take care of airborne enemies

[echo temple]

yeah and you can use it after a punch to gain like a stiff boost

[next copper]

Still.

[willow oasis]

what is momentum lock am I being dumb

[pale zealot]

I think it's when you are stuck into going in one direction

[echo temple]

^

[pale zealot]

and you can't change that by moving around

[echo temple]

it's most common whenever you hit a geyser

[willow oasis]

never had that happen before? or am I just goofy

[grizzled anchor]

its so fun that captain isnt allowed to use half his kit during one of the final bosses

[pale zealot]

it has trolled me many times when I use command utility after a geyser and end up falling of a cliff

[prisma oracle]

cope honestly

you don't even like that final boss

[haughty leaf]

Hey everyone this guy uses captains M2

[grizzled anchor]

best part is that theres no lore reason anymore

[prisma oracle]

what

[grizzled anchor]

because remote caffinator and shipping request form work in hidden realms

and those canonically come from the UES safe travels

[echo temple]

I think I'm the only person who like slightly enjoys voidling

[prisma oracle]

voidling is alright yeah

[pale zealot]

nah I like voidling too

[willow oasis]

:D

trolled by hopoo

[next copper]

Network getting rid of Huntress's mobility and instead forcing you to play around the Void dimensional shift is a toptier idea for her. This one works well.

I don't really see how Artificer's Choke is antithetical, it's just another AOE/CC ability but this one clusters things together, making it arguably easier with her playstyle to deal with enemies with her AOE skills.

Conduit I suppose changes stuff due to removing the grapple, but you still get the aspect of mobility/momentum which is a strong point for Loader's playstyle.

Acrid's Deeprot is deeprot. Just another poison, nothing really different.

Railgunner's Torpor is good, forcing you to use your primary more and take advantage of close range instead of long range combat. This is a good one.

[pale zealot]

it feels cool fighting a giant spider monster

[willow oasis]

the issue is i rely way to much on huntress mobility and its too fun so my ass refuses to use network

[prisma oracle]

"just another poison" massive downplaying tbh

[pale zealot]

the issue with network is that dashing is fun

[grizzled anchor]

phase blink is like the one good thing about huntress

[next copper]

It's poison with a slow that requires an easy to get 5 stacks.

[prisma oracle]

then its not poison

[echo temple]

Choke is like mostly about removing her band proc unless you use surge in which choke with surge is completely different as you no longer have damage when you're high up with surge

[next copper]

That's it?

[pale zealot]

choke feels complementary to flamethrower

[next copper]

It was built around an item synergy?

[acoustic raft]

I mean youd have to ask plasma what the idea was for choke

[next copper]

Fair enough

[acoustic raft]

I always thought it was like you remove her high damage hit and damage in general but you get a lot of crowd control / utility

and you lose a lot of range too

[next copper]

I always assumed she was built around CC due to her ability to freeze, stack burn, and just easily deal with swarms

So Choke just seems like a total upgrade, ESPECIALLY with that Crushing modifier

[acoustic raft]

her only crowd control is like freeze

[grizzled anchor]

killing enemies is crowd control too

[next copper]

I suppose?
lighting multiple enemies on fire to spread damage is controlling a crowd

[acoustic raft]

oh and I guess she has a few stuns too

[grizzled anchor]

flamethrower and nano-bomb do a pretty good job at killing a lot of enemies quickly

[pale zealot]

I think the reason I don't use most of the void skills is that they replace very crucial parts of a characters kit, which is the whole point but I'm just too used to how they characters play normally

[acoustic raft]

isnt lighting enemies on fire just
doing damage

[next copper]

Her lightning ball m2 is AOE/CC as well, fires lightning at nearby enemies before it explodes

[timid swallow]

ok but double the aoe and cc and turn down the damage and you get choke

also choke is very arti style i mean mommy excuse me

[next copper]

Being able to just compress enemies into a single point means now your AOE skills or skills that stack DOTs (which is what Arti excels at, imo) becomes vastly easier, making her playstyle of burst damage even better

Because now you can condense that burst damage into a single point instead of trying to manage it

[pale zealot]

I want too group up enemies and use nano bomb on them

[next copper]

I love the skill, don't get me wrong

[echo temple]

yeah but that comes at the cost of replacing her main aoe in nano bomb

[next copper]

The skill just fails, imo, to feel like an opposite or antithetical playstyle

[timid swallow]

oh

it fucks up the rotation

[next copper]

Lose an AOE to gain one that deals more damage the more enemies are compressed together

[acoustic raft]

yeah I do feel like plasma maybe could have gone a bit more extreme with a few of his void skills

[next copper]

If you really want to sell this idea of antithetical playstyle ideology, be brutal and crude about it

The idea of Engineer's earlier, while I hate it, is perfect. Sacrificing the very things engineer relies on for your primary ammo fits the bill exactly

[echo temple]

yeah especially deeprot

but acrid and arti are like cases where the character already feels like they have a void option lmao

[next copper]

I suppose it would also be difficult for some characters to just toss in a single ability and call it a day

[echo temple]

ion surge vs flamethrower and blight vs poison

[next copper]

Yeah

[willow oasis]

bruh why the coin so tiny

[next copper]

What no depth perception does to a mfer

[pale zealot]

why captain v2

[next copper]

That's a Sett Skin Mod

[willow oasis]

^

looks kinda funny from that angle

[pale zealot]

looks like captain tbh

[willow oasis]

its literally like 2m from me

lunar coins and equipment are shrunk for some reason

[next copper]

wtf

[willow oasis]

im standing next to the coin

thats why I included the character for a size reference

wisp is bigger than the coin and equipment

[next copper]

Lunar Pennies

[echo temple]

I will definitely say that choke feels a lot more like a void skill on ion surge than flamethrower

[next copper]

Sure, yeah, I can agree with that at least

[timid swallow]

everything feels like the j on ion surge

[willow oasis]

man sett is kinda busted I had to nerf him hard in the config lmao

[echo temple]

but that's what happens when nano bomb and flamethrower feel like

[next copper]

Losing my silly lightning ball for something I have to get close with does make things a bit riskier

[echo temple]

very similar skills

[next copper]

But at the end of the day, I already played Artificer super close range and aggressive, so Choke is just a massive upgrade

Burst mages excel in CQC

[willow oasis]

I want a character thats like a mage with some really cool magic abilities

does that exist in the modding community

[pale zealot]

artificer extended

[versed condor]

artificer extended i guess?

[next copper]

Artificer Extended basically covers that

[pale zealot]

artificer is already the cool mage so here is more artificer

[willow oasis]

too much skills brain hurt

what are some fun ones in it

[next copper]

I enjoy full Lightning or Lightning Ice Hybrid

[willow oasis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/562711077453037589/1049040976833957938/image.png

this is what I ment by tiny things

[willow oasis]

alr

[next copper]

wtfff

[willow oasis]

tiny little boi

[mossy lagoon]

that doesn't make sense

[willow oasis]

like bruh

is there a reason why fire elite beetles and other melee fire elites basically 1 shot me

all other elites do alot sure but these mfers are on a diff level

[full garnet]

they're embodying their ancestor

[pale zealot]

Maybe you have 2 mods that change gow they work

Resolting in death

[acoustic raft]

breadguy what if I just saved this clip and used it to dispel all ss2.0 criticism
but yeah no im like super tired so I wouldnt be surprised if it makes no sense
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxM1nEKnamg0r8m4H240LRK1zrsJJLnsXV

[willow oasis]

Risky mod + elite rework + inferno?

[pale zealot]

No idea

[willow oasis]

its brutal

basically unplayable because of how hard they hit

[mossy lagoon]

i have those 3 and they're fine

[mossy lagoon]

I sort of get what he's saying but I disagree

I just think momentum lock feels bad

like losing a degree control of my character for seemingly no reason sucks

especially bc it causes issues with knockback from enemies and stuff like arti hover

[echo temple]

@acoustic raft who made this family event I swear

[mossy lagoon]

lmfao I got that one too

got 3 sanguine jailers 😐

[echo temple]

sanguine elites aren't that bad

[mossy lagoon]

I know that's why I don't have them disabled

but I have plated and warped disabled

[echo temple]

ecks ede

I still find plated and warped much more fun than blazing and overloading

[pale zealot]

Elite void enemies feel like they shouldn't exist

Not for any gameplay reason they just feel wrong

[echo temple]

void locus

[mossy lagoon]

just too hard stage 1 and sometimes 2

[echo temple]

but yeah it feels like seeing blazing lunar chimeras on sky meadow lunar family event

[mossy lagoon]

with the other difficulty changes in my pack

I'd probably have them on if they were a tier 1.5 like sanguine or whatever

[pale zealot]

Tier 1.5 is a thing?

[mossy lagoon]

no

it's a modded thing

[echo temple]

I still wish like

there were more fun ways to make stage 5+ harder without making stage 4 and lower not bullcrap to deal with

[mossy lagoon]

scaling changes and item proc coef changes

[pale zealot]

All spiketrip elites with the exception of maybe the invisible ones should be like sanguine then

[echo temple]

ok but those aren't fun 😼

[mossy lagoon]

and making movement speed stacking have DR

I think they are

[full garnet]

pests spawn
they turn invisible
3 unseen beasts shooting at me
why, oh why, must you do this to me?

[mossy lagoon]

oh yeah those guys

I forgor about the invis elites

[full garnet]

hate em

[mossy lagoon]

yeah not my thing I like the other two ss2 elites better

[echo temple]

aragonite gets forgotten once again

[mossy lagoon]

I don't loop xd

[full garnet]

honestly i just dont play with spikestrip anymore

[mossy lagoon]

booo

[full garnet]

the items dont do much for me, i dislike the enemies and the elites

[pale zealot]

Argonites were such a pain when they spawned pre loop

[mossy lagoon]

the enemies are cool and the items are dope

most of them

[full garnet]

the pots will pay for their crimes

[pale zealot]

I only have sunrise smoothie disabled

[mossy lagoon]

that and ratio for me

[pale zealot]

Ratio?

[mossy lagoon]

[echo temple]

[mossy lagoon]

I don't even remember the real name

[pale zealot]

What an obscure reference

[full garnet]

the one with the logbook?

[mossy lagoon]

infinity codex

[pale zealot]

It's infinity codex

[full garnet]

grooves alarm is funny atleast

[echo temple]

I still think infinity codex is like the funniest thing

it has a super cool model and then it's just infinity codex

[mossy lagoon]

yeah lol it's pretty funnt

[echo temple]

spikestrip 2.0 would've been like 10x better if groove added in arsonists satchel

[mossy lagoon]

what that

[pale zealot]

Deal 50% more damage to everything except maybe Mithrix, gold titan, overloading worm and voidling

[full garnet]

if the old skills from grooveskills came back

PLEASE I WANT THE CAPTAIN ORBITAL LASER

[mossy lagoon]

it was the balance

[echo temple]

anyways uh spikestrip 2.0 had like

[mossy lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-just-deleted-gif-22613011

[echo temple]

2 items that were like finished

that never made it in

one of them was like express bison steaker

and it was originally gonna be like a thing where you

had a picnic table spawn every stage

and you could eat at it for max health

which was later changed into just a supply drop
but then the item was never modeled just the interactable

[pale zealot]

Worse remote coffeenator

[echo temple]

it was an item not an equipment

you gained max health and not healed

[pale zealot]

Still worse

Oh damn

That sounds cool

[echo temple]

but yeah shipping request form was also just added

idk it's still pretty funny I kinda wanna add it eventually

the other was arsonists satchel and it was the best item ever

[pale zealot]

What did it do?

[haughty leaf]

An interactable that increases base stats each stage isn't a bad idea tbh

[echo temple]

it gave you 2 gasoline nfts upon entering a new stage

there was like gupsoline

healsoline
icesoline

electricsoline

[pale zealot]

Why gasoline?

[echo temple]

because arson

[pale zealot]

Why arson?

[echo temple]

I still want it added but groove hates the item

it's super funny

[versed condor]

clearly the best course of action is to add it in anyways

[echo temple]

the icesolene was broken op if I remember correctly

that would probably need a nerf

[acoustic raft]

it would be funny to add iceoline and then there are 3 modded gasoline but freeze items

[echo temple]

better idea

[mossy lagoon]

3?

[echo temple]

you like add arsonists satchel

[mossy lagoon]

i know about the vanillavoid one

[willow oasis]

What do they do

[mossy lagoon]

they get imp powers

bleed and teleport

[willow oasis]

Plated give me cancer and aids

[echo temple]

plated elites give me joy and life

[haughty leaf]

Sanguine would be better if they didn't like infinitely TP off cooldown till the decided they were "in range" of you

[pale zealot]

Can't hate plated elites cause they gave me one of the most memorable moments

[willow oasis]

Wait spike strip adds that?

[mossy lagoon]

no its from aetherium

[wanton rock]

No

[echo temple]

no aetherium does

[willow oasis]

Oh I’m goofy

[willow oasis]

Tanky = not fun

[mossy lagoon]

incredible insight

[echo temple]

@mossy lagoon

[pale zealot]

I love how plated elites somehow fuck with everyone

[haughty leaf]

I just wish plated had like an upper limit to how many health gates it can place on enemies 😛

[pale zealot]

Low damage and high damage

[mossy lagoon]

what is that from

[echo temple]

I just wish plated elites were buffed and added to vanilla

[wanton rock]

imo plated would be better if it decreased total damage by 50%

this way you can always hit stuff no matter what, but its a lot more impactful on characters like loader and railgunner

[mossy lagoon]

no

[wanton rock]

the main thing with plateds for me is when i play commando and suddenly i can't hit shit

[mossy lagoon]

defeats the [urpose

[echo temple]

we had this idea a bunch of times but decided against it because we like the thing where the health gates are strong against slow hard hitters but weak against rapid hitters

and the debuff was strong against rapid hitters and weak against strong hitters

[pale zealot]

Their armor also makes them strong against rapid hitters

[wanton rock]

i guess thats fair, but like theres a difference between needing to hit something more than having all of my hits do 0 damage because i don't see a wisp in a horde

[echo temple]

they don't gain armor

[acoustic raft]

I think the 0! makes it a lot more memorable and gives the debuff more 'weight'

[pale zealot]

Don't they have like some repulsive armor like defence?

[mossy lagoon]

health gating

[echo temple]

they have health gates but the exact same stats as a glacial

[mossy lagoon]

not super effective against fast weak hitters

[pale zealot]

I swear they take less damage from attacks

[mossy lagoon]

indirectly

[echo temple]

the health gates makes them not get one shot

[pale zealot]

When I hit one early on as commando they take 1 damage

When every other enemy takes normal damage

[acoustic raft]

uh

[echo temple]

that's gotta be a placebo effect moment

[pale zealot]

I am not crazy

[mossy lagoon]

0!

[acoustic raft]

sounds like something a crazy person would say

[echo temple]

I think it could be cool if plated elites had like slower movement speed or less attack speed

because they're like bulky

[willow oasis]

the funny

[mossy lagoon]

what mod is that

[willow oasis]

I think it would be cool if plated elites didnt exist :D

https://thunderstore.io/package/Zeeboon/ZeebsZitems/?utm_source=discord

[echo temple]

unbased

[pale zealot]

I think there should be super plated elites eith double the health gates and an auro that prjects their debuff

[echo temple]

plated elites are the chris pratt of gaming they're so cool

[willow oasis]

bro having them constantly take 0 damage and hjaving 10000 hp isnt cool

[pale zealot]

Also when they die they do the argonite thing

[echo temple]

they still don't have more hp

[mossy lagoon]

what man

[willow oasis]

they sure feel like it

[mossy lagoon]

stop getting hit

[willow oasis]

I dont eevn know how they worked

I just disabled them when i saw I was doing like 0 dmage to them

😼

[acoustic raft]

smo true

[mossy lagoon]

xd

[acoustic raft]

most sane plated elite hater

[mossy lagoon]

genuinely

[prisma oracle]

plated elites are the most tolerable in the mod

[echo temple]

I think that's like one of the reasons why groove won't ever nerf plated

or any of the elites in general

because it's like the people who hate them just hate them because of the effect on the surface a stat change won't matter that much

[mossy lagoon]

people love to hate on things they dont even understand

[echo temple]

and then the people who do like them like them because of the challenge

[mossy lagoon]

like just figure out first then hate

[willow oasis]

😼 thats me

what do they do

[grizzled anchor]

ive never noticed the health gating actually matter but having all my damage reduced to 0 for several seconds because a wisp is existing in my general area gets annoying

[echo temple]

I mean to be fair there's like no way to understand them without external knowledge

[mossy lagoon]

nothing its all in your head

[willow oasis]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031536902135877722/1034730597140140052/C642101E-A94B-42A5-B5DA-2DD8DA4F53C.gif

[grizzled anchor]

the elites that put you in the purple floaty bubble >>> every other spikestrip elite

[echo temple]

so nerfing the spikestrip 2.0 elites would like actually do nothing because the people who hate them would just still hate them

but like then they just aren't really a challenge

[willow oasis]

me who has every spike strip elite disabled

[echo temple]

I still think plated is like one of the weakest elites in terms of run ending

[willow oasis]

tell me what every spike strip elite does and I might renable a few

[echo temple]

I can't think of many situations where plated elites are like yeah this is why I lost

meanwhile glacials can freeze you on top of enemies and you just die

[grizzled anchor]

plated elites arent very threatening they're just really annoying

[echo temple]

blazing and overloading have that cool 3x damage

[willow oasis]

cuz I deadass dont know

[grizzled anchor]

having your ability to deal damage removed for multiple seconds because a wisp is existing is the j

[prisma oracle]

ok but it lasts like 2 seconds

[haughty leaf]

I like plated. I just dislike this part of plated on high hp stuff https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/753709254803980296/966654544916406272/unknown.png

[echo temple]

I don't even notice the effect from wisps because it lasts 2 seconds

[prisma oracle]

its very much manageable

[grizzled anchor]

and wisps attack every 3-5 seconds

[prisma oracle]

its not hard to get behind cover or another enemy if you really need to dodge that plated wisp

[echo temple]

I mean surely most characters can single out one plated lesser wisp

[prisma oracle]

^ that too

[willow oasis]

LMAO

what does every spike strip elite do tho i disabled them so fast but im curious

[echo temple]

I should really make a wiki

or something but

[haughty leaf]

Warped: Reflects projectiles on a cooldown and on hit floats you upwards
Plated: you already know now
Veiled: Goes invis on hit?
Argonite: Lots of fucking lightning

[grizzled anchor]

oh so that's what caused constant earrape when i looped

[opal raven]

content disabler is annoying to use

[grizzled anchor]

warped elites go hard

does warped floating effect scale duration with proc co?

[echo temple]

yes

[prisma oracle]

warped elites are legitimately so annoying

[grizzled anchor]

warped elites are cool

[willow oasis]

Warped: the floating upwards is genuinly dumb i remember it happing and its just stupid most of the time you go to high that you get tped back to the ground its not a fun mechanic its just annoying because it takes you away from the fight its not threating because most survs have an ability to not take fall damage
Plated: I dont know what it does goofy tell me
Veiled: I think its invis till they attack or you hit but its super stupid I dont wanna get jumped by an invis elder lemur
Argonite: that one sounds kinda funny

[echo temple]

warped xi construct is total bs is like the one thing I think I can agree with

[grizzled anchor]

they're an actual threat beyond making you run away for 3 seconds

[prisma oracle]

I just find the elite poorly designed, not gonna lie

[willow oasis]

same

[echo temple]

Plated - Spawns with health gates based on the enemies base hp, applies a debuff that gives -100% flat skill damage on hit

Warped - Has an ability that deflects 1 random projectile every second, applies a debuff that sends you upwards

Veiled - Is invisible for the first 30 seconds upon spawning, when visible again has invisible projectiles

Aragonite - Buffs movement speed and attack speed of itself and nearby enemies, on hit calls a lightning strike, on death calls a wave of lightning strikes

[willow oasis]

plated seems better now that I know what it does but it should NOT be 100%

[haughty leaf]

My dude we've been discussing plated for like 15 minutes. 😛

[willow oasis]

veiled also seems like genuine cancer

[acoustic raft]

iirc plated gates are based on enemy radius

[willow oasis]

invis elder lem with invis bullets?
who thought that was a good idea

[echo temple]

I think the changes I would make to the elites personally is like

warped elites base their deflection cooldown on the projectiles base damage

[opal raven]

do yall like starstorm?

[willow oasis]

only enabling Aragonite and Plated other 2 seem like cancer

[echo temple]

and make aragonites like

actually a rage elite

instead of a buffing elite

[prisma oracle]

its decent

[willow oasis]

I also have lively pot disabled because its also cancer

[haughty leaf]

I do but I'm also kind of biased here 😛

[echo temple]

A lot of people complain about all of the elites being high priority and I think it would be cool if aragonite is like you kinda don't want to prioritize this

[willow oasis]

I like some items storm events the characters

[willow oasis]

[haughty leaf]

I'm am not a trusted opinion for Starstorm given how much I like it 😛

[willow oasis]

where can I find a spikestrip full item list

[echo temple]

Starstorm would be good if it had like
plated elites

[grizzled anchor]

lively pot is the tar thing right

[prisma oracle]

yes

[haughty leaf]

SS Mega mod

[willow oasis]

yea its like a tar half circle

[prisma oracle]

tar roomba

[grizzled anchor]

those arent that annoying they die in one hit

[haughty leaf]

Combine every SS mod together

[willow oasis]

????

[timid swallow]

but uropppp they're supposed to figure that out on their own!