yea thats really weird
#prismatic-trials
digital lichen
sterile fossil
cursive depot
pure quail
scenic surge
serene saddle
quiet warren
I mean, technically here is correct?
There's not much advice to give other than learn how to use Merc.
Blinding Assault and Whirlwind are the skills you'll usually want to use for the trial
You kinda gotta sit and wait for a good trial
Watching Cabbage will help with finding a path
hallow snow
I'm not terrible with merc, can get consistent mithrix runs with him on monsoon
quiet warren
How good at you are avoiding damage though, whether through his skills or your own abilities?
hallow snow
Wisps just kinda ruin my life....
I'm okay, it's hit or miss (literally) early game
I haven't really tried to do it...u can't use artis in trials right?
hallow snow
How good at you are avoiding damage though, whether through his skills or your o...
I mean I frames are I frames
quiet warren
Random artifacts are enabled in trials
hallow snow
O thats new
Well is this one okay? I was considering just trying to sit down and do it
quiet warren
Trials with Glass and Command are ones you should look put for
hallow snow
If command was enabled what items would I pick? Stuff to 1 shot or stuff to get barrier
Also does Shields count as being hit?
quiet warren
Tougher Times or Topaz Brooches
Barrier will not count as getting hit
Shield will though
quiet warren
You don't need, but it's helpful to have
hallow snow
Any monster to watch for other than wisps that I wouldn't think of normally?
quiet warren
Cabbage will probably be putting out a vid for the trial some time today or tomorrow
hallow snow
Ok, cool
quiet warren
Any monster to watch for other than wisps that I wouldn't think of normally?
Honor or swarms seems to usually have a bad habit of always appearing in trials
quiet warren
So literally anything
hallow snow
Ok
Well thx for the help, imma try at some point today, I just wanna mess with this alternate special it looks fun
quiet warren
It's mathematically and in practice better than Evis
Assuming you're decent at Merc though and know his combos and tech
cyan stratus
solemn fiber
frozen slate
@indigo snow
indigo snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0BCGSY2oJo
gilded ocean
how tf someone get 1 min time on the newest trial
like i know i can be faster at 2:52 but how did someone get 1:02 time on artificer
icy urchin
afaik it's usually edited times
gilded ocean
Rip didn’t know you could edit times, do those get removed from the leaderboard?
frozen slate
Nah
gilded ocean
f
uncut zenith
Anyone get through the current trial with requirements for mercenary’s thing?
Ohh wait. Haha cabbage…
uncut zenith
When doing ethereal, can you take topaz damage?
quiet warren
Yes
uncut zenith
But not psg damage right?
quiet warren
Yep. Barrier doesn't count as taking hits, but shield does
uncut zenith
That’s gonna make it so much easier 🤦🏻♂️
What about the “hp” from over healing with aegis? I’m assuming it’s considered regular hp and not barrier or shields
quiet warren
Aegis is barrier
uncut zenith
Ooohhh
quasi thunder
Anyone get through the current trial with requirements for mercenary’s thing?
did you get it alr?
coming here looking for tips for today's seed
nvm its on the pinned
cyan stratus
solemn fiber
frozen tree
Rex fourth place moment
serene saddle
@indigo snow
indigo snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfb6eMSL5TM
uncut zenith
I just completed the current trial… 0 damage taken…. No unlocks
Nvm…I’m dumb. Had to continue on from that screen
upbeat ether
Command + glass seed?
uncut zenith
Yup
upbeat ether
uncut zenith
+dissonance & frailty
upbeat ether
I’m gonna try the trial
uncut zenith
Good luck! Don’t forget the legendary chest on sundered grove for $400
upbeat ether
What are the stages?
uncut zenith
Sundered grove then distant roost
uncut zenith
What are the stages?
I got Wandering vagrant for first boss, and the two times I went through blue portal first, I got overloading vagrant first time and blazing bisons second time. The one time I didn’t go through blue portal, I got overloading grovetender
upbeat ether
I got Wandering vagrant for first boss, and the two times I went through blue po...
Sounds strange
uncut zenith
Sounds strange
Indeed
tranquil portal
I assumed lodr is the best for this challenge bcs fall damage?
uncut zenith
I assumed lodr is the best for this challenge bcs fall damage?
Depends on what you’re trying to do with the challenge. I did it for mercenary’s Ethereal challenge to unlock an ability and I believe @upbeat ether is going to try to do so as well
upbeat ether
Depends on what you’re trying to do with the challenge. I did it for mercenary’s...
Indeed
tranquil portal
id also quite like ethereal but dont know if im good enough to get it
uncut zenith
id also quite like ethereal but dont know if im good enough to get it
For me, it wasn’t wether or not I was good enough to get it, but rather wether or not the seed was easy enough for me. 🙂I’m not too good at the game at all. I’ve been trying for many weeks now, missing a day here and there and those days happened I be ones that I could’ve done easily, just keep trying and you’ll get it eventually 😉
upbeat ether
YOOO LETS GOOO I GOT ETHEREAL
quiet warren
Les goooooo
quiet warren
I mean, on the other hand now you're rewarded with the mathematically and in practice better skill if you're decent at Merc
Or y'know, dodging in general
uncut zenith
Yeahh, now you don’t have to worry about getting insta-clapped as soon as eviscerate ends
I used DML, a fuel cell or two, topaz, and ceremonial daggers
quiet warren
Better combo game too
uncut zenith
Yeahh, that exposure is great. Was spamming ethereal on a bunch of beetle queens and guards right after I got it
quiet warren
Eviscerate is definitely fun, but it just loses out vs Slicing Winds
spring crow
i used 5 purities for stage 2 and a capacitor to kill the vagrant
violet shale
i like how this is basically the ethereal achievement chat as well
quiet warren
Yeah lmao
upbeat ether
i used 5 purities for stage 2 and a capacitor to kill the vagrant
I used only 4 purities ( i misclicked on one of them)
Still close to perma invincibility tho
chilly monolith
i forgot to post this earlier
https://twitter.com/sammtbtw/status/1451841176554938371 but i was right behind the boy Cabbage himself
tweet didnt show pic preview ig lolol
civic thicket
Dang
quiet widget
celest mantle
does any body know how to kill the vagrant on the first stage with 1 use of ballista? (huntress)
digital lichen
yo is todays a good day for merc chalange
cyan stratus
solemn fiber
frozen slate
@indigo snow
indigo snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrJEjFEcp7k
cerulean obsidian
who the hell made todays prismatic trial
solemn fiber
Rng
queen comet
i like how this is basically the ethereal achievement chat as well
ITS TAKING TOO LONG TO GET IT
AHHHHHHHGH
sinful kayak
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/563138000771612679/883543296889196594/cab...
poor rumia
fleet oar
AHHHHHHHGH
SLAM
violet shale
ITS TAKING TOO LONG TO GET IT
you kinda have to memorise the layout by failing and failing again
and after you know it decently well it's just a matter of execution
I'm not really that good at the game but i managed to do it like in 2 hours
queen comet
😭
quiet warren
Skill's worth it though
violet shale
Skill's worth it though
yeah i prefer it a lot more to the original one
quiet warren
I mean mathematically too, but yeah
violet shale
tbh it's not the 50% extra damage i take advantage of but more the aerial mobility it provides
merc is super weak at dealing with air targets when cooldowns are up so having the basically instant way of getting height is nice
quiet warren
Way more than 50%, but yes
And he's not really weak vs air targets at all tbh
RT, BA, FA, Evis, and SW
Over half his kit
violet shale
"when cooldowns are up"
violet shale
Way more than 50%, but yes
And he's not really weak vs air targets at all tbh
whirwind is 2 × 200% = 400%
RT is 450%
450 - 400 is 50% ?
sorry if I'm sounding like an ass i just didn't understand what u meant
quiet warren
whirwind is 2 × 200% = 400%
RT is 450%
450 - 400 is 50% ?
sorry if I'm sounding...
RT is 550%
In-game description of 450 is wrong
vapid sierra
a bunch of the in-game description is wrong
vapid sierra
I wonder if the devs forgot to update them or just didn't want to for some reason
quiet warren
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
violet shale
RT is 550%
ohhhh shit no wonder it felt way better to use
quiet warren
If you go into modding, I recommend installing Withor's FixedDescriptions
It, as the name implies, fixes a lot of the incorrect descriptions and numbers in the game
fierce geyser
I thought they already fixed the rising thunder description
quiet warren
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tough sequoia
can someone quickly explain that tech cabbage uses to send the bronze bois flying. I can tell hes canceling the dash with the spin and i tried just going with that but couldnt quite get it
quiet warren
He's performing a slam
By ending your dash either inside the target's hitbox or glancing over it at a high enough speed, you send the flying target in the other direction, and if slammed into a surface, makes them take either large amounts of damage or outright killing them
tough sequoia
so i guess i just have to adjust my distance/timing
quiet warren
It's mostly used to skip AWU or Solus, but it works on really any flying enemy
quiet warren
so i guess i just have to adjust my distance/timing
Pretty much
quiet warren
If you're willing to practice elsewhere, try using mods like DebugToolkit and HitboxViewerMod to practice it first, then play vanilla and try the trial
tough sequoia
i got the skill already (thank god) but that sounds neat
quiet warren
Skill's worth it
zenith plinth
If you're willing to practice elsewhere, try using mods like DebugToolkit and Hi...
is hitbox clientside?
quiet warren
is hitbox clientside?
Yes afaik
zenith plinth
afaik what
quiet warren
As far as I know, it's clientside
zenith plinth
oh
quiet warren
I've used it in multiplayer before, so
zenith plinth
mk thank you
subtle robin
someone has the high score on the prismatic trial
57 seconds
It took me 2:08, and even if I theorized the most efficient path i dont think i could shave more than 20 seconds off of my time
so kudos to whoever it it
Xenon
maybe if I went underneath sky meadow...
and If I used spinel tonic to speed me up...
upbeat ore
Xenon is kinda insane so im not that surprised
writing that must have been hell on slowmode lol
gray kelp
i got like 10 minutes ago isane record
1:41
but the chinese guy that has 59 seconds and is top 2 rn is a hacker 100%
zenith plinth
Xenon
xenon had world record in any% for a few months, i don’t think you’d be beating him lol (and he’s not cheating, he’s legit. he’d prolly film his route if you ask him to)
feral lagoon
Speedrunners blow my mind, in all aspects
gray kelp
cheaters blow my mind too like the chinese guy that is top 2
feral lagoon
Heh. I suppose
feral lagoon
With that being said, it upsets me that some people will go out of their way to cheat just to get to the top of one thing
gray kelp
yea its sad
zenith plinth
question about the trial can i get slicing winds if i imput a code instead of 3 cristals and boss
quiet warren
Should be able to
frozen slate
question about the trial can i get slicing winds if i imput a code instead of 3 ...
Kinda
You gotta go to a thing in the files and change it
zenith plinth
tnk u i did it once and wasn't sure if i took damage or if it says no to it
?
im confused now
frozen slate
tnk u i did it once and wasn't sure if i took damage or if it says no to it
Oh I thought you meant put a code as in skip the trial all together
zenith plinth
oh no the 2ed stage is sky meadow
frozen slate
Yeah you can put in an artifact code
quiet warren
SW is better than Evis, but it has a learning curve
Namely just doding as Merc
zenith plinth
WOOOOOOO GOT ITT
keen briar
i keep missing slicing winds BUT its pretty good when it actually hits
vapid sierra
yes
zenith plinth
im so happi i could finally cheese what i thought was uncheeseable
quiet warren
Slicing Winds is big stonks
indigo snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-f5O1eLEok
zenith plinth
Speedrunners blow my mind, in all aspects
we arent humans
craggy crest
we arent humans
Built different
zenith plinth
exaclty
worthy trail
solemn fiber
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/563138000771612679/883543296889196594/cab...
Bitch.
Even if you 'steal' it I'll still post it
zealous mural
get out of touched
polar jungle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-f5O1eLEok
man wtf i love you so much, really, thanks!!!!
uncut zenith
Can you view the leaderboards on console?
steel timber
Nope. Just think of console ror2 as that one iPod that Apple stopped updating 10 years ago.
cyan stratus
quiet warren
indigo snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa1roZJV7qo
solemn fiber
carmine flame
War between cabbage posters
coarse root
What does it mean
pure pebble
i did it
quiet warren
Nice
zealous mural
War between cabbage posters
every person on the server feels obligated to troll vulfoof and it's not ok
quiet warren
I'm not trying to troll Vulfoof exactly
Just Cabbage posts, ping Shy to pin
Not even sure when the the embedded video came up
frozen slate
Stolen from Vulf again <:happiesttroll:790347758732050463>
hmm
quiet warren
hmm
It was a joke referring to earlier in the year, where I saw Cabbage post and decided to go for it myself. Vulf would respond with an angry ping (I'm not sure if it was actually angry or if it was in a joking manner) and then put the video himself
If I was actually trolling Vulf I would've said stolen much more than once
silk vine
ethereal is doable with glass right?
frozen slate
its easier i guess
quiet warren
Absolutely
Recommended, actually
Since taking a hit to your HP means you have to restart anyways, dying in one hit doesn't change much there
So might as well take the boosted damage
silk vine
aight, i didnt know if the 10% health cap counted as falling below 100%
thank you kind strangers
quiet warren
aight, i didnt know if the 10% health cap counted as falling below 100%
Barrier also doesn't count as HP, so Topaz Brooches help a lot
carmine flame
I'm not trying to troll Vulfoof exactly
Just Cabbage posts, ping Shy to pin
Not...
When are you even supposed to post the cabbage embed?
quiet warren
When are you even supposed to post the cabbage embed?
When cabbage puts a new video here
That's it
gilded ibex
Since taking a hit to your HP means you have to restart anyways, dying in one hi...
Does getting hit increase timer somehow?
quiet warren
Does getting hit increase timer somehow?
No
mild skiff
Has anyone been able to do ethereal this week? I tried for a bit yesterday and wasnt having much luck haha. I don't think my skill with merc is quite where it needs to be yet though.
wheat musk
It was a joke referring to earlier in the year, where I saw Cabbage post and dec...
that's a little unreasonable to get mad over imo
quiet warren
¯_(ツ)_/¯
queen comet
right now is literally the perfect time to get Ethereal
glass is on and kin is on and it spawns beetles then jellyfish
ff is on though so dont pick up the gas
also there is a teddy printer first stage
true mulch
Can the burn equipment(the lunar one) proc something like atg?
quiet warren
No
frozen slate
Since bleed doesn’t I would assume fire wouldn’t
true mulch
Sad
zealous mural
it puts a dot debuff
quiet warren
Helfire is a debuff , so no proc coeff
true mulch
It would be too op, now that I think of it
I could just stand and let your atg do everything
quiet warren
If you really wanted Helfire to proc, just grab a Razorwire
quiet warren
Razorwire has an 0.5 proc coeff
true mulch
Thanks
flat loom
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
sweet rover
@cyan stratus I don't see your 1:33.07 score anymore, did you get a new record? You must have done it faster than 1:25, because that's the best score I can see. Can you post a video of it?
cyan stratus
i did a run with mult instead of merc
cyan stratus
sweet rover
That's sick! If you don't have this record's video, can you make a video of a similar run?
I beat the first stage in 30 seconds, but reaching the second teleport takes 30 seconds more for me.
Just want to know what I am missing
cyan stratus
i wasn't recording, you just use vase to get to 2nd it's straightforward
sweet rover
I do use vase, but there are you have to destroy the crystals on the way there
cyan stratus
you can shoot them midair
sweet rover
1:07, still nowhere near
Ok, I can't squeeze any more seconds from second stage. Even if I vase and go directly to the teleport, I only reach it at about 0:50, but there is a boss to beat... I guess you beat the first stage 10 seconds faster than me aka in about 20 seconds.
1:03 is the best I can and I still would like to see how you did it. IMO record runs are more fun to watch than the merc achievement.
cyan stratus
i was just doing some runs for fun, wasn't recording but would probably take a bit to beat it while recording
i can record a scuffed run if you want
cursive depot
unique snow
cyan stratus
indigo snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm1dngjKttE
vital thicket
How would I get the mercenary ability?
quiet warren
How would I get the mercenary ability?
Practice and luck
Cabbage's videos on the current trials are great for finding a path
vital thicket
If you have it how long did it take you?
quiet warren
Knowing some of Merc's tech also helps with getting the ability
Topaz Brooches and Tougher Times are your friends on terms of items
Barrier doesn't count as taking damage for the sake of the trial, and Tougher Times is pretty self-explanatory
rocky pollenBOT
The Fun module is disabled in this server.
keen briar
NOOO
vivid steppe
No fun
tepid spindle
Makes sense
sullen crest
1984
carmine flame
I wonder which cabbage poster will win this time
carmine flame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9RS8jGMn5g
@indigo snow ( realized I pinged the wrong person 😔)
I’ll do it myself 
indigo snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9RS8jGMn5g
solemn fiber
scenic surge
Top 10 tho
chilly zephyr
Everytime I click that video and everytime I get the driftveil city music stuck in my head
scenic surge
11th lodr. 1:41 (pylon slam)
rocky pollenBOT
Marce(SrLykos)#5515 was banned
west lily
Does loaders pylon insta kill things like Wandering Vagrants and solus control units?
vapid sierra
there is a slam you can do with the loader pylon
but it's really hard to make it slam the enemy
like, really fucking hard
west lily
mmmmmmmm
Guess I'll just stick to my top 20 captain time then
no... My captain time was bested by 14 people
all huntresses
wheat musk
I wanna start running trials again but certain people constantly rope me into playing calamity and drg
vapid sierra
good
wheat musk
good <:happiesttroll:790347758732050463>
scenic surge
there is a slam you can do with the loader pylon
but it's really hard to make i...
this trial it's pretty easy tbh
because where the vagrant spawns
cyan stratus
quiet warren
indigo snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmgb73lkUl0
solemn fiber
slow grotto
is this prismatic trial even possible to do the mercenary quest?
the 2nd stage kills me less than 1 second in every time
turbid flicker
still cant do it
fast hemlock
can you have artifacts active or no?
chilly zephyr
Artifacts are chosen for you that's usually what makes it hard
fast hemlock
ohh thank you im like new to risk of rain 2 sorta and i wanted to unlock mercenary stuff
chilly zephyr
Well default mercenary is best imo
quiet warren
Well default mercenary is best imo
No, actually
The optimal Merc loadout is Whirlwind - Blinding Assault - Slicing Winds
Whirlwind for great comboing, Blinding Assault for iframes and mobility, and Slicing Winds for everything else (range, AoE, DPS, procs, comboing, total damage)
This is only if you want to play optimally; if you enjoy default merc then by all means stick to it
fast hemlock
i just want the 3rd thing you unlock for him
so i have to do prismatic trials
but mane this HARd
quiet warren
The current prismatic trials aren't really good for a new player
Cabbage makes videos for every prismatic trial and how to do Ethereal on them
fast hemlock
im not like new new butttt
quiet warren
The videos are pinned here
fast hemlock
ive never done the other modes
quiet warren
Ah
Well, regardless of whether you're new or not
The current prismatic trial isn't exactly great for Ethereal
chilly zephyr
Yeah I would wait
fast hemlock
okay i shall do that
quiet warren
Watch the channel for whenever Cabbage puts up a new vid
chilly zephyr
If the description is "this trial is easy since all you have to do is not get hit" then you should do it
fast hemlock
okay thanks guys
quiet warren
np
patent zinc
I have been furiously trying this trial as Merc for the challenge.
Not recommended. My blood.
teal panther
If the description is "this trial is easy since all you have to do is not get hi...
lmao
quiet warren
I have been furiously trying this trial as Merc for the challenge.
Not recommen...
Yeah, this trial is not a good one
I'd wait for the next one and see what Cabbage has to say on it
quaint jewel
just got 2 "silence between Two Strikes" in this prismatic trial
first time doing a trial but shouldn't that not happen coz its a fixed seed?
plucky cipher
in some trials enemies dont even spawn for a while
plucky cipher
first time doing a trial but shouldn't that not happen coz its a fixed seed?
aspects are pure rng
no seed required
worthy trail
quaint jewel
aspects are pure rng
Oh right
true peak
this prismatic trial is terrible
yeah ive been trying to get etherial for the first time on this seed and its not fun
first stage isnt bad but the second stage is terrible
red goblet
I hate the lesser wisps so much in this trail 😢
true peak
I hate the lesser wisps so much in this trail 😢
I have never gotten so angry at wisps
true peak
I'd wait for the next one
I mean I might as well keep trying in the mean time
red goblet
lmao
true peak
Are the trials hand-selected by the devs or are they random?
quiet warren
Random
At least Ethereal is generally worth it
Whether you're going for the 100% or if you play Merc
true peak
yeah im mostly going for the 100% and this is the only really hard hard achievement i have left
i mean i guess i have the one where you finish mythrix with lights out but that isnt that bad
vernal sparrow
agreed
quaint jewel
they die rq tho
artifact of glass does bits
and you can hide on the other side of the boulder next to the tele
quaint jewel
what time did yall get?
orchid surge
holy shit fuck this seed
distant fossil
yo are there any brooches or teddys on current seed to help with merc mission?
orchid surge
yo are there any brooches or teddys on current seed to help with merc mission?
not that I noticed. All the drops I got were cautious slugs, medkits, and repulsion plates
worthy trail
quiet warren
timber holly
anyone wanna die trying to do the PT for Mercs challenge cuz of the wisps
vale sage
2:45 seconds.
vale sage
anyone wanna die trying to do the PT for Mercs challenge cuz of the wisps
It was stupid easy to get because of the glass. Get one plate, one topaz brooch, win. Even with my ping I was able to do it with little issue on the new one.
plucky patio
now i just need to take my time and get this merc challenge.
vale sage
now i just need to take my time and get this merc challenge.
Did you skip the final fight by going to the Bulwark's Ambry? I thought it might work but was happy enough with a 2:45 to not care.
plucky patio
Did you skip the final fight by going to the Bulwark's Ambry? I thought it might...
no. i actually didnt thing of that
i might actually be able to get a sub 1:20 with that trick
vale sage
idk if it works to be fair
plucky patio
il give it a try. if you can skip the crystals on stage 2
vale sage
I just can't believe yo shaved that much time off, I felt like I was pretty quick using death zone warps
plucky patio
this is really close to the fastest time possible. i fully believe sub 1 minute is possible with perfect inputs and good luck on both teleport times
cyan stratus
plucky patio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsyNkn2QRY
did you clip your rex run? id like to see how you got a 1:07
indigo snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsyNkn2QRY
fast hemlock
Thanks I’ll get on it
cyan stratus
no i didn't record it, was just doing some runs it's a bad time
dull spoke
now i just need to take my time and get this merc challenge.
that time was so close to greatness
plucky patio
no i didn't record it, was just doing some runs it's a bad time
wut
cyan stratus
it isn't optimized, rex can get a much better time
plucky patio
it isn't optimized, rex can get a much better time
i figured that but the fact that you got 1:07 and then said its a bad time. im struggling to beat my time.
silent citrus
got the achievement
this trial was a lot harder than i expected
but cabbage's video made it just trying to properly beat stage 1
quiet warren
Congrats
You now have the better special and one of the least-completed achievements
silent citrus
i honestly don't even plan on using it much lol
i'm just not a big fan of merc
but hey i'd have to unlock this sooner or later
and it'll just make his other achievements easier
quiet warren
Tbf Merc isn't the easiest to get into
You kinda have to force the combo mentality
But regardless, congrats!
plucky patio
i just don't see myself using slicing winds over eviscerate. the I-frames are just to useful.
silent citrus
But regardless, congrats!
thank you!
quiet warren
i just don't see myself using slicing winds over eviscerate. the I-frames are ju...
You usually pair it with Blinding Assault, since BA's iframes are very similar
Then it boils down to good comboing, which is what SW excels in, and in return, you get
More damage, more DPS, more procs, more range, more AoE, and better combos
old nexus
I have been gone from the server for a long time. Good to see cabbage is still helping people through the hardest achievement in the game
quiet warren
Yeah, it's nice
plucky patio
You usually pair it with Blinding Assault, since BA's iframes are very similar
T...
i didn't realize BA had iframes.
quiet warren
Both dashes do
Evis is 1.6 seconds worth
BA is 1.5 seconds worth
FA is 0.3 seconds worth
plucky patio
im pretty sure i have been hitscanned while inside it but that very well could be some form of server mismatch
quiet warren
The iframes for BA are at startup and end of the dash
So some timing needed
0.3 seconds at start of dash, 0.2 lingering at end
For 0.5 per dash
3x0.5
1.5 seconds total
plucky patio
merc confusion
quiet warren
How I felt when I first realized they had iframes too
plucky patio
so does slicing winds pierce or just stop on first contact? and can hit up to the enemies that are close together?
old nexus
Stops on contact
quiet warren
Stops on contact and can hit up to 3 targets in an AoE
Exposes hit targets at the end
old nexus
A lingering aoe
quiet warren
Yeah, lingers
The AoE is pretty forgiving
Though cause of the slow projectile, SW is best used at close or melee, where it's also easier to follow up on
old nexus
Tbh, I prefer eviscerate since it's an easy way to get out of dangerous situations when shift is on cooldown
But winds is viable for sure
quiet warren
Winds is better than Evis with more experience, but that's not saying Evis is bad
Evis a pretty good special all things considered
Just well
(Clip from Stret)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559901453834256404/852255989872853022/sw.mp4
Anyways
Both specials are good, Merc is pretty much a choose your own adventure, play what you want
drowsy cypress
for peeps sake, the trial is insanely hard, I just want to unlocked the things, so I won't have to touch it
quiet warren
Are you on Console or PC?
The PC trial is currently fairly easy compared to previous trials
drowsy cypress
pc
quiet warren
You watch Cabbage's vid on it?
drowsy cypress
tried to follow it
quiet warren
I wouldn't try to follow it perfectly, it's more of a guideline for a potential path
drowsy cypress
the bosses are killing me
quiet warren
For Vagrant in particular, you want to stand on top of them if and try to combo and use Evis and BA as much as possible
You can try circling around a vagrant using hitlag to avoid targetting from the seocnd one
old nexus
when the boss is at low hp, save your evicerate to avoid the pulse
quiet warren
Or BA, whichever you have ready
quiet warren
Yep
Vagrant's just about the only thing you really need to worry about for the trial
drowsy cypress
the stupid lasers and fireballs
drowsy cypress
got the scythe, but STILL GOT DAMAGED
I HATE THE LEMURIANS!!
I really hate those fireballs and lasers
drowsy cypress
ummm... I don't know if it's allowed, but could someone help me with the prismatic trial?
quiet warren
Trials aren't multiplayer, so uh
Literally all that can be said is how the trial plays out, and practice
Not quite sure if you want to save edit either
drowsy cypress
wouldn't parsec work?
quiet warren
Nope
drowsy cypress
not even giving controls to the person? or just to much of a delay?
quiet warren
Oh, giving controls to another? That's doable I guess
Input delay might make it even worse though
drowsy cypress
if the internet connection is good enough, no delay, I think?
quiet warren
¯_(ツ)_/¯
drowsy cypress
we could try?
drowsy cypress
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!! I FREAKING DID IT!!!
quiet warren
Niiiiiiice
drowsy cypress
somehow, like damn, I almost ripped my hair out XD
zenith plinth
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!! I FREAKING DID IT!!!
good job.
flint viper
Argh i hate trying to get ephemeral
God 1 damage taken...bleh
Ok so had to change a bit but I FINALLY got ethereal!
Thanks @cyan stratus Your video really helped me get this. 🙂
quaint jewel
this gotta be a super easy trial
alpine kelp
It is
warm basalt
i usually just wait for command trials and do purity and eviscerate spam
alpine kelp
Got the achievement for my friend
alpine kelp
i usually just wait for command trials and do purity and eviscerate spam
Honestly, glass may be better for this
warm basalt
yeah whoops i meant command and glass
alpine kelp
Since you cant get hit anyways
warm basalt
my bad
quiet warren
Yeh, this trial's biggest threat is really just Vagrants
plucky cipher
is todays trial good for ethereal
quiet warren
Trial is very good on PC, yes
obsidian timber
how did you guys do the trial for this week my friend is struggling for merc
solemn fiber
obsidian timber
thank you dear si
quiet warren
Also, PC or Console?
obsidian timber
pc
obsidian timber
yeah merc is always a fun one to do. at least from what i see
quiet warren
Fun with Ethereal heavily depends on the trial and your own skill with Merc tbh
Like the uh previous trial
Was not fun
At all
But hey
The unlock is worth it, whether you're going for 100% or want to/already do main Merc
mortal flare
i literally can't fucking do this shit
zenith plinth
try harder
keen briar
1st attempt
i took a brooch so the dmg i took didnt get me under 100% health
p easy honestly
dont ask why i took plate lmao i thought it was tougher times
i couldve also taken little disciple instead of urn but whatever
cyan stratus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGXLKNgQRXM took an hour since i got worst rng possible
quiet warren
solemn fiber
bleak crystal
would it be faster to do blue portal into the alternative depths for this run? it seems like it has the potential with the glacial imps
median lintel
that's interesting actually
plain sphinx
What's prismatic trials
zenith plinth
What's prismatic trials
every three days it switches seed with random artifacts, and the community tries to speedrun it. you can access it by going to alternate gamemodes -> prismatic trials
inaccessible with mods
plain sphinx
That sounds scary
plain sphinx
random artifacts
plain sphinx
ive become so reliable on some ;-;
quiet warren
ive become so reliable on some ;-;
You uh
Should probably stop trying to rely on them then
Artifacts are cool, but like
With especially Command and Sacrifice, it builds bad habits
plain sphinx
average command user
im not sure if that an insult or...
zenith plinth
kind of
quiet warren
It's kind of a backhanded compliment
zenith plinth
how about: 
etc etc
plain sphinx
phhht
quiet warren
I mean, Command is also good for meme runs
plain sphinx
quail and crowbar
quiet warren
Fuck everything, here's 300 Fireworks
zenith plinth
you eliminate rng and make it ez (i only use for meme runs)
zenith plinth
quail and crowbar
quail is awful past 3, crowbar kinda useless unless you are a burst survivor
plain sphinx
wdym awful
quiet warren
you eliminate rng and make it ez (i only use for meme runs)
I've only used Command for testing. Then I went into modded and never looked back because DebugToolkit is far more useful for the purpose of testing
plain sphinx
it gets masive boost after three
quiet warren
quail is awful past 3, crowbar kinda useless unless you are a burst survivor
Crowbars are fine on sustain survivors too, just not as effective
zenith plinth
ik
plain sphinx
thats why you also do feathers
zenith plinth
Crowbars are fine on sustain survivors too, just not as effective
just not as good
zenith plinth
thats why you also do feathers
it... doesnt affect feathers
plain sphinx
stop if you go too fast
zenith plinth
oh
quiet warren
it... doesnt affect feathers
Dingus refers to using feathers to stall
quiet warren
Very
zenith plinth
and why stack quails when you could helfire build
plain sphinx
What is it
zenith plinth
plain sphinx
sounds intriguing
quiet warren
Helfire + Razorwire + Repulsion Armor Plate + Gesture + Fuel Cell + Planula
Honestly, you could bring it down to Helfire + Repulsion Armor Plate or Helfire + Razorwire and still be highly effective
zenith plinth
i use it on merc a lot
just helfire, not even the rest of the build
no command needed
quiet warren
Helfire is really good
Just overshadowed by its more boring but overpowered cousin, Tonic
zenith plinth
yep
but yeah command makes it too easy
you dont improve in skill because you dont have to improvise without rng
eliminating rng can be fun but every single run becomes basically the same
rng spices things up
quiet warren
RNG is literally a core mechanic of Roguelikes/lites as a whole
zenith plinth
^
quiet warren
The idea is to force you to always be adapting to what you're given
Using player skill
zenith plinth
yes
quiet warren
Not that Command or Sacrifice are inherently bad, they're still mechanics built into the base game and hell, are fun to use every once in a while
But using them constantly can cause you to be incredibly reliant on their control over RNG, meaning you may play less skillfully and instead let them carry you
(It's also a similar case for playing exclusively Drizzle. It's fine and all, but you might become too reliant on its modifiers and make it even harder for you to adapt to the lack of modifiers in Rainstorm or the negative ones of Monsoon)
haughty spade
What's the top 10% right now?
haughty spade
So can you not see all the rankings? Only the ones around where you scored?
I am ranked 404
quiet warren
I'd check, but I'm not near my PC rn
haughty spade
so can you only see people who are similarly ranked as you?
quiet warren
I think? I don't really remember since I haven't touched Prismatic in a while
haughty spade
I need to do it for unlocks
quiet warren
Watch Cabbage's videos then
They're pinned here
For Ethereal specifically
I do have Merc guide that might prove helpful in learning merc as a whole, though overall it'll boil down to practice and luck
haughty spade
i took a quick look at that a day or two ago
zenith plinth
What's the top 10% right now?
you mean the prize? there is none
id bet cabbage/xenon/hurkel are at the top rn
snow falcon
currently rank 89 (out of sheer willpower) and I noticed I am the only one on commando to get this high of a score... does no one play commando?
quiet warren
The idea of Prismatics are to be as fast as possible, and Commando isn't exactly the fastest of the characters
snow falcon
he's not that slow though
I mean, yea, there are faster characters, but he makes up for it in his mid-rage damage...
then again... huntress is better for range damage making up for distance
maybe ill try a huntress run
quiet warren
he's not that slow though
Ofc not
Just others are faster
Which why you generally see Merc, Huntress, or Loader as top choices
Acrid sometimes ends up there as well
quiet warren
I mean, yea, there are faster characters, but he makes up for it in his mid-rage...
Well, in general Commando outdamages and out-procs Huntress
Just Huntress has better mobiity
Though if the trial has glass then damage doesn't really matter
snow falcon
untlress ballista is far better for crystals I've just found
she can hit them cross map no problem
quiet warren
12 second cooldown can be painful at times
You kinda have to position yourself a bit so each 900% arrow hits each crystal
snow falcon
I understand loader is kind of the go-to for "we need to do this now and we need to do it fast" because that's just how she's built... but I find it odd that I see her in >3min. runs
quiet warren
Mainly cause her grapple and gauntlets both have 5 second cooldowns, so there's some downtime between movement
snow falcon
hmmm.... so, Im able to activate the second teleporter before the 3min. mark, but Im finding the shear number of greater wisps that spawn to be too much for huntress with nothing but a Kjaro's to deal with
because Im fairly new to prismatic... how does it determine enemy count for the teleporters? because I know I had fewer wisps on commando
(and my first attempt at it when I took 20min. I noticed no enemies at any of the teleporters)
and that's 3:23.46 on Huntress. I know I could optimize this run further, but there is also a tiny bit of RNG involved.
zenith plinth
I mean, yea, there are faster characters, but he makes up for it in his mid-rage...
Damage barely matters shit in prismatics, and loader far surpasses everything in speed and damage
zenith plinth
and that's 3:23.46 on Huntress. I know I could optimize this run further, but th...
Huntress is fast. A lot of people use her for speedrunning
zenith plinth
because Im fairly new to prismatic... how does it determine enemy count for the ...
Usually you get the same amount of enemies if you’re on the same difficulty
snow falcon
Damage barely matters shit in prismatics, and loader far surpasses everything in...
damage matters when it comes to 2 things:
- destroying the crystals fast.
- killing the boss(s) fast.
for example: Huntress is much faster than commando because she doesn't need to get close to any of the crystals. she can just shoot them from afar and continue to the teleporter immedately. commando's damage being as low as it is requires him to get closer to each crystal in order to do the damage required to even break them quick enough for a run.
damage matters.
zenith plinth
barely matters shit
Oh it matters, just in your example, range matters more. Cabbage o my runs trials with glass for speedrunning now
You don’t have to lecture me on this btw just look at 28th place on the any% leaderboards
tough belfry
commando damage isn't that good is it
zenith plinth
No
Low dps
Glass required
Nades could kill the crystals tho
- bands would be good too
@snow falcon lemme edit that: damage doesn’t matter shit In prismatics if you’re a decently high damage survivor, but if you’re a lower damage survivor, there’s not much point running with them.
Glass changes the game though
quiet warren
commando damage isn't that good is it
Commando has fair damage, but he's not good for Trials specifically
Although if you're using Suppressive Fire, he's definitely got pretty low damage (Still better than Huntress though damage-wise)
tough belfry
commando can be ok for some enigma trials
quiet warren
That's Enigma being Enigma
normal crane
Does anybody have any tips for the current trial? I've been trying to beat it to unlock the Harvester's Scythe and the blazing imp kills me every time I make it that far.
normal crane
Sorry, will do. Thanks.
quiet warren
Actually, it's the new trial now huh
normal crane
I don't think it's reset yet, it's the same one I was doing yesterday
quiet warren
Ah, okay
Use Cabbage;s vid before it does
normal crane
I didn't get the no-damage challenge but I got the trial done, thanks for pointing me to the video. I know where to send my friends now when they go to try it.
quiet warren
Yeh, Cabbage uploads an Ethereal vid for every new trial
So having notifs on for his channel and checking here every so often is good
normal crane
I figured there had to be someone out there that did that but I hadn't found it yet, only been playing for a week or so.
quiet warren
Ethereal is a bit of a combination of luck and skill, more so on the skill part as demonstrated by Cabbage
I do have a Merc guide, but that overall boils down to practice, practice, practice
cyan stratus
solemn fiber
zenith plinth
@indigo snow
sterile fossil
cursive verge
How to get etheral?
quiet warren
Don't go below 100% of your HP in a prismatic trial as Merc
Cabbage makes videos for this that are pinned here
Shield does count as HP for the achievement, though Barrier does not
indigo snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5QsGzYgNQM
zenith plinth
How to get etheral?
incel?
astral lodge
Todays trial is awesome. Ceremonial dagger in a small chest close to start and a 57 leaf on the final stage.
zenith plinth
Todays trial is awesome. Ceremonial dagger in a small chest close to start and a...
Does that really help for speedrunning though? Just because you get a good item in casual gameplay doesn’t mean that item will help you at all in prismatics
Ceremonial could be useful with glass on, but 57 leaf would do basically nothing
astral lodge
Sorry. I just thought it was cool to find two reds in one trial.
zenith plinth
do prismatic trials operate locally or from a server?
solemn fiber
server
zenith plinth
mkay, just checking
zenith plinth
incel?
lmao right after i said this they changed their about me to stop saying "i hate women"
cyan stratus
zenith plinth
@solemn fiber
indigo snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF9rheTgQhE
still kiln
This trial was easier to complete ethereal than I thought, I followed cabbages run, with the exception that I farmed 3 AP rounds in the first stage
hallow zephyr
question about the trial, will the beetle queen in stage 2 always spawn in the same place?
fading halo
from my attempts, yes
zenith plinth
question about the trial, will the beetle queen in stage 2 always spawn in the s...
Yes. It does depend on the difficulty a bit, but with the boss, it should be in the same place
scenic surge
Unless (I think) you or another hitbox is in its original spawnpoint
zenith plinth
pretty sure bosses can spawn on top of you
scenic surge
Not directly inside, because hitbox collisions
But maybe beetle queens can, because weird hitbox.
And the whole boss skip thing
zenith plinth
yeah
random lynx
i keep trying prismatic and i can never do it, how does cabbage do it every single week
scenic surge
Yeah. You get good if you play for over 250 hours or so.
cyan stratus
strong meteor
quiet warren
strong meteor
NOOO
quiet warren
Idk why I do it at this point
It's just a thing that exists for whenever cabbage posts
vapid sierra
instincts
indigo snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamEnm3lWus
noble linden
20000 hours still wont help you in prismatic no hit
zenith plinth
20000 hours still wont help you in prismatic no hit
Check pins
This trial is ez I’m p sure
noble linden
Check pins
This trial is ez I’m p sure
Its more luck
noble linden
Luck makes everything easier
noble linden
Every trial is doable tho
Im trying to get merc ability
If it has artifact of kin and no lesser wisps then its eady
Easy
zenith plinth
Im trying to get merc ability
Watch the video in the pins
zenith plinth
If it has artifact of kin and no lesser wisps then its eady
If it has glass and not too many enemies it’s easy
noble linden
If it has glass and not too many enemies it’s easy
If it also has kin then you cant lose
Unless wisps
zenith plinth
If it also has kin then you cant lose
Yeah
Did you see the pin
If you can’t do this one, check pins every new trial
frail wraith
today, after 2 years of trying and 650 hours in game total, i have finally got Ethereal, which was my last achievement out of 112! thank you so much, Cabbage, if not for you and your consistent uploads, i'd never persevere 
quiet warren
Congrats
lusty terrace
Any good notes for prismatic?
lusty terrace
Dayum
frozen slate
hes been doing for like 2 years
lusty terrace
I just need simple notes, im not attempting ethereal.
Just getting all items, harvesters is one of my more dreaded to get done
frozen slate
id still suggest watching his vids since they help
lusty terrace
Alrighty
I take it i wouldnt be the first to say, but it would be nice to be able to run old prismatics, no leaderboard and unable to unlock anything within them, but just for fun.
velvet brook
les goooo
switch pris trial is pretty good for ethereal rn
Except for the blazing greater wisps
random lynx
wait why did i get magma worm when cabbage got wisps?
I DID IT FINALLY, NO MORE SUFFERING, thank u cabbage
crimson niche
This feels like the trial i need to get no hit merc but goddammit every time I get close to beating the first stage some lazer bitch or machine gun lad just appears and pew 1 dmg
random lynx
ive never been able to do it but this trial was the one, @crimson niche the laser guy is the only problem, u need to special it imo
since he doesnt respawn ull be good a bit after
u can continue on
crimson niche
When its spawning I can't tell if its one of those jellyfish things and then instant death
crimson niche
Otherwise the first stage is pretty easy so I'm trying to get full loot there then rush the boss
crimson niche
Because stage 2 boss seems hard
random lynx
the first boss isnt too hard
crimson niche
I haven't seen other strats so yh
random lynx
oh
crimson niche
First boss is easy
random lynx
thats why the second is hard for u
theres the preon accumulator in the first stage
u get it in setup for second stage boss
crimson niche
But the second stage has a bunch of fire enemies which scare me
crimson niche
u get it in setup for second stage boss
Yea im getting all the loot i can from stage 1
Also can you take damage from kill shields? Since it says not to go below 100%?
random lynx
if i remember correctly, yea
crimson niche
Awesome thanks
random lynx
thats what the wiki said atleast
zealous mural
Yea im getting all the loot i can from stage 1
you dont need to really
just follow the vid
crimson niche
I'm just scared of stage 2 lol cos fire stuff and wisps
zealous mural
stop being afraid???
crimson niche
K
crimson niche
I'm using the triple dash even tho I normally use alt dash cos I like being able to not be hit for longer
crimson niche
like you can just oneshot the boss on stage 2
Oh damn really? This gonna be easier than I thought
crimson niche
Nah I'm out rn
But Basically my idea for strat is get a drone for some aggro, get the cooldown reduce, rush preon, then get topaz on the way to the boss, rush straight to second boss and 1 shot ot
I'll defo watch the vid soon tho, thanks
rotund locust
Is the stage 2 boss the same for every platform or is the switch just some type of special right now 
zealous mural
blazing magma worm be like
keen briar
shitting myself
zenith plinth
current prismatic trial is super easy to nohit for the mercenary achievement
heavy latch
Oh good because I was about to ask if glass made it impossible
zenith plinth
glass makes it easier, think about it
you know when you get hit and can restart faster
hp doesnt matter if youre tryna not get hit
heavy latch
I mean impossible in the sense that you’re not at full health so it’s redundant
zenith plinth
wdym
mellow kraken
oh yeah, glass hp is your new max hp
heavy latch
Arrifact of glass reduces your hp
zenith plinth
ok?
heavy latch
Good
quiet warren
It does not
Shield does count as HP though for the challenge
zenith plinth
no lol
zenith plinth
I mean impossible in the sense that you’re not at full health so it’s redundant
not the right use of redundant, thats why i was confused
topaz brooch is really helpful for it
heavy latch
I’ll keep throwing myself at it
quiet warren
Nice
heavy latch
I did it too
quiet warren
Congrats
quiet widget
Froge
gloomy nexus
I beat my first ever prismatic trial! I made a yt video on it as well!
quiet warren
Good job
zenith plinth
I beat my first ever prismatic trial! I made a yt video on it as well!
where on leaderboards?
gloomy nexus
The last one I did was 4 mins
zenith plinth
where on the leaderboards, what place
cyan stratus
fleet oar
#220
solemn fiber
quiet warren
@indigo snow
indigo snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTJhl4NXJaQ
twilit folio
Ay so do I get like free hair transplants after doing these or am I just gonna have clumps missing from now on?
quiet warren
The latter
twilit folio
god I hate that this is tied to 100%ing the game :I merc is my least favorite survivor by a lot. id main acrid before unironically playing this guy
quiet warren
Well, in all fairness
Merc is the only character so far that scales with player skill
Like, if Cabbage can do every new trial and record it
Then it's completely possible to do it through pure skill
As a tip
Try getting Topaz Brooches if possible
Shield counts as HP for the trial, but Barrier doesn't
twilit folio
Yeah you gotta kill stuff for that to work and the mobs take like 14 abilities to die and still do more damage than barrier received especially since theyre 95% overloading. Id imagine that would be pretty solid advice but not with honor enabled
quiet warren
Are you trying to follow Cabbage's vid?
twilit folio
Yeah and im clearly lacking that 'player skill' you mentioned
Whatever im just gonna do a bunch of monsoon runs with him and pray next centuries seed is less annoying
quiet warren
You can learn the tech and combos Merc has, but it really boils down to practice
Or waiting for an easier trial is also an option
There's not much that can be said on Ethereal other than "Watch Cabbage, Practice, or wait for a better trial"
Quick tip on Cabbage vids: When he says "Just don't get hit" in the description of the video, the trial that day is fairly easy
I really wish there was a better way to describe playing Merc, but it's just
Learn tech and combos, practice, string combos of your own
zenith plinth
"git gud"
zenith plinth
yeah lol
quiet warren
Like
Merc is close to one of the strongest characters, being matched by REX and outshined by Loader and MUL-T currently
But he has a really steep learning curve, with Artificer coming in a close second there
twilit folio
Im at 93% completion on steam rn mostly needing skins for some characters that got added in the last few updates that I never got around to doing, Acrids other m2 and ethereal.
quiet warren
Acrid's reasonably tanky, so don't be afraid to just close the gap and M1 some mfers
Leaps are really good mobility too (It's entirely possible to skip commencement with Caustic Leap without items, though a hoof or energy drink significantly eases the process)
Hybrid melee works well with both Poison and Blight
twilit folio
so like im doin a merc run rn. am I just supposed to keep 1 ability off cooldown like im playing with an arm tied behind my back incase wisps decide to spawn or what
quiet warren
No, not necessarily
Just combo the hell out of anything, using M1 extensions to gain CDR
Not sure if it'll help much, but I do have a sort of guide on Merc if you'd like
quiet warren
No, just it's not a total playstyle guide
Just a general guide, like stats, skill numbers, etc.
It's linked on my profile though if you want to take a look
If anyone's beyond saving, it's me lmao
For writing a whole thesis at the beginning
twilit folio
bro im here crying in discord because I cant even loot 3 chests in a prismatic trial without having to restart its definitely me
damn this is a really good guide. Thanks man.
quiet warren
np
twilit folio
okay yeah I just cant do it
Having to do all these weird combos just so he can perform at the same capacity as other characters
quiet warren
Well, comboing is his whole schtick
Also, good comboing allows him to outperform most characters
twilit folio
I literally cant clear stage one as merc on monsoon. Im not shit at this game its not like im some helpless brainlet playing for the first time I have nearly 350 hours
quiet warren
Hence the high learning curve
I think this graph from Charlie's community poll summarizes that
I'm really sorry I can't help more
It's just
Merc's playstyle and learning curve
Is the epitome of, as arcpirate put it, "Git Gud"
Think of it as learning to play Sniper or Spy in TF2
There's a really harsh learning curve and mechanical requirement, and if you're not good with them, it's going to hurt
A lot
But when you practice and improve with them?
Well, I think the sheer amount of complaints for Sniper being overpowered in the hands of a good player or Spies dominating pubs says something
twilit folio
yeah I was thinking of him as spy aswell
and my point has always been why bother playing spy and spending so much time just to play at the same base level that every other class can perform at right out the gate
quiet warren
Because Merc is a character that gets better with the player
Sure, there's a high skill floor to meet the effectiveness of other characters
But as you improve, you outperform others
twilit folio
But that last part also applies to other characters. someone with 100 hours on loader is gonna be a lot better than someone with 20. Why set your starting line 100m back from everyone elses by picking merc?
quiet warren
Skill doesn't necessarily make anything OP, just shows what the player needs to learn before using the given character. A good example of low skill ceilings but still excellent effectiveness is Loader. By that statement, it's also saying characters such as MUL-T or Bandit, who also take levels of skill to handle properly, are also shit.
Imagine you have a character who deals x damage
And one who deals x2 damage
Skill doesn't make x damage x2 damage.
Same for mobility, skill doesn't let Captain contend with Loader
So OP just doesn't really have a definition?.. Like the whole point is that Merc can become incredibly powerful, outscaling other cast members with his high potential, but unlike some easier characters you need skill to reach it
tl;dr
Merc requires more to reach the cast, but because of how he works with the player, the more experience = the more he outperforms
You can do well right off with Loader, especially if you have enough experience, but there's only so much she can do. She eventually meets a roadblock - her skill ceiling (Which is admittedly high, but do you really have a reason to use her grapple tech outside of speedruns?)
Same for other characters
Almost all of them eventually reach their skill ceilings
Even Arti, the next closest
Once you've gotten skill rotations and good movement + positioning down, what then? There's not much else other than keep doing that already
So going back to your analogy
You set yourself back at the 100m line
So you can match them head to head next time
Then start to outrun them
And finally, completely outpace them
twilit folio
You make good points. Im going to keep working on getting some of his tech down. Thanks again.
quiet warren
I'm really sorry if I come off as rude
I just enjoy playing the character (probably too much)
twilit folio
Nah dw I wasnt exactly being nice either. I think my mistake was jumping straight into monsoon with him.
quiet warren
It's alright
I don't want to try to force you to enjoy him
Everyone has their own preferences
But yeh, start slow
tough belfry
so like im doin a merc run rn. am I just supposed to keep 1 ability off cooldown...
spawns are roughly the same if you take the same route at the same speed, so there are some specific times where you should keep skills off cooldown. it's worth trying to not waste time (more attempts/less enemies to deal with) so you shouldn't always hold something but after a few attempts you'll know when you need to (consider looking at the time). Playing safe is fine, don't get stuck near enemies with no cooldowns, it's ok to run away, taking drones can be good (not in this specific trial though), do experiment with killing things instead of trying to dodge them.
heavy latch
Hence the high learning curve
I think this graph from Charlie's community poll ...
Where can I see the other survivors charts
quiet warren
Where can I see the other survivors charts
Pinned in #ror2-game-questions
noble linden
is this prismatic trial easy enough to no hit it
wanton lichen
All of them are
teal panther
this trial is easy since all you need to do is to not get hit
cyan stratus
this is very interesting
i'm not sure if it's only because chaos is active, but the vulture triggered the missile skip glitch
cyan stratus
solemn fiber
teal panther
cabg
vestal inlet
this is very interesting
that's amazing :D
bleak crystal
this is very interesting
wow the odds on that are insane
cyan stratus
yeah i've never seen it happen before. probably not a viable strat for anything but still cool to see that it can happen
quiet warren
You'll want to get a role from #role-assignment for embeds
tardy bay
You'll want to get a role from <#638810018652618768> for embeds
how do you do that
frozen slate
well you have a role now
quiet warren
Just paste the link again now
frozen slate
just post image/video
tardy bay
https://streamable.com/i9o9l0 Sloppy version of my Captain route I used for my time in the Prismatic for anyone wanting to try
thanks for the help with the roles
quiet warren
np
autumn thunder
Anyone know how the ai for the enemies work? Im trying to follow cabbage's video but the lumerian either never turns around, the bird always follows me or wisps spawn more often
dull spoke
ai's weird, you gotta learn how to adapt
there's also a chest with a topaz brooch next to where the overloading vulture spawns, so that helps
vernal sparrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4xGS9fNOAc
bro your trials have helped me out so much- you're an absolute legend 🙏 (thanks to your runthrough i got slicing winds after a while lol)
bright meteor
glacial elm
this is very interesting
Why is ur keyboard in the overwatch font
quiet warren
That's not the Overwatch font? That's the keyboard overlay addon for OBS
tough belfry
That is the Overwatch font?
quiet warren
Probably because its demo utilizes Overwatch lel
https://obsproject.com/forum/resources/input-overlay.552/
cyan stratus
idk i just googled an obs input overlay and found a popular one, i'm not familiar with fonts but it's a preset
glacial elm
idk i just googled an obs input overlay and found a popular one, i'm not familia...
Holy shit I just realized, no wonder you looked so familiar, I’ve seen your YouTube videos before when I was doing prismatic trial for mercenary a while ago.
frozen canopy
I just saw one of his videos lol
somber kayak
I need guidance to not be a sh*t merc
Because the one attack I have locked still is the disc
somber kayak
also two Rex attacks, two Bandit attacks ||B&E, Sadist||, and one Captain attack ||Smushed||
Also I’m missing a few masteries
And the heretic log -<-
polar flame
Heretic log is gotten when you beat or obliterate as heretic, I think. No need to find it
Also anyone have any tips for today's trial? I still haven't beaten one yet, I want the item it unlocks
bleak crystal
Also anyone have any tips for today's trial? I still haven't beaten one yet, I w...
if you want a quick win I would suggest giving Bandit a shot, should be plenty of DPS with glass to avoid any damage.
There's also a repulsion armor plate by TP stage 1 if you want a chance to endure a hit on stage 2
somber kayak
Heretic log is gotten when you beat or obliterate as heretic, I think. No need t...
Yep
You get class logs by not losing
polar flame
Damn it, I'm pretty garbo with the Hatman
somber kayak
also if you kill the ||whole boss (a moment, whole)|| do you obliterate after killing it, or do you just loop again..?
polar flame
I think you loop?
somber kayak
asking cuz wondering
bleak crystal
the game ends afterwards
somber kayak
I’ll have to check with Agony
oh yeah no one here knows him-
ShadowsAgonyx1 (I believe) on Xbox
The o may be capital or a zero
I dunno
quiet warren
_also if you kill the ||whole boss (a moment, whole)|| do you obliterate after k...
It obliterates you
somber kayak
He’s the one who got me into ror2
quiet warren
There's no loop continuation if you go to A Moment, Whole
You either die or beat the boss there and win
polar flame
If you play on pc and want to play heretic, I might be able to fit in a run now. Just not on monsoon, I'm not good enough yet to beat the game on hard lmao
somber kayak
If you play on pc and want to play heretic, I might be able to fit in a run now....
I’m not home currently
I get home in around 2 hours
I play both pc and xbox
By the way
quiet warren
Console is uh
Pretty well known here to be really buggy
polar flame
I’m not home currently
I get home in around 2 hours
Not sure if I'm gonna be around in 2 hours, I have more moving and unpacking to do. Maybe some other time then, just dm me about it, maybe bring in a few others too
polar flame
Console is uh
Pretty well known here to be really buggy
It's not a bug, it's a feature
quiet warren
It just works
somber kayak
Console is uh
Pretty well known here to be really buggy
I haven’t experienced many game-breaking bugs
Maybe exclusive of the invulnerable bug that only happens in the void fields, but we don’t talk about that.
polar flame
I play on pc and I've only experienced one bug, but it was game breaking. For whatever reason, the teleporter never spawned in Sky Meadows. I legit searched everywhere for it, spent up towards 45min doing so. Did not find it
I've never heard of that happening to anyone else, but I swear on my life it wasn't there in the level
rotund kite
A friend and I had that happen on Scorched Acres and Sky Meadow
mellow kraken
also worst case scenario i guess you could go to bulwarks ambry instead but that is weird, i have never heard of that happening. sounds frustrating though 😣
zenith plinth
I've never heard of that happening to anyone else, but I swear on my life it was...
i can check the trial and i bet i can find it. its a pain to find sometimes
zenith plinth
A friend and I had that happen on Scorched Acres and Sky Meadow
scorched acres is notoriously hard to find the TP on. its usually behind the islands
on sky meadows, it sometimes spawns near the bulwarks ambry teleporter
oh damn its a different trial now?
oh yeah it just changed
polar flame
i can check the trial and i bet i can find it. its a pain to find sometimes
This wasn't during a trial when the bug happened, this was a normal run
zenith plinth
uh then why did you post here lol
oh nvm it was releavant
so i guarentee you you can find it
scorched acres is notoriously hard to find the TP on. its usually behind the islands
on sky meadows, it sometimes spawns near the bulwarks ambry teleporter
or you just have to look harder. the teleporter always spawns
all the times i havent found it immideatly, after looking for a while, ive found it
had to throw a PB paced speedrun cuz i couldnt find it. looked for a solid five mins and found it
polar flame
Someone had said the game was buggy on console, and I said the only bug I encountered was the tp never spawned. And again, I search for like 45min all over sky meadows, and found nothing
zenith plinth
45 mins? weird
idk if thats a bug or not, but you can usually find it
sometimes theres one spot you just havent looked and its behind some nerd ass shit
rotund kite
I was definitely looking for it for at least that long
zenith plinth
not to be a woolie rusher, but in that case, i think time scaling killed you
cyan stratus
solemn fiber
zenith plinth
quiet warren
@indigo snow
indigo snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOEc4xwPw0M
teal panther
cabg
zenith plinth
I think cabbg missed the last trial 😳
solemn fiber
he didn't
zenith plinth
My math is faulty