prismatic-trials

[simple stratus]

this mercenary prismatic shit is pissing me off

I can't understand the variables

sometimes a lot of wisps spawn and sometimes they dont. sometimes kjaro procs and sometimes it doesn't. sometimes the lumerians miss and sometimes they dont

I feel like I'm at the mercy of what the game wants

Like I just completed it, but I only got hit once and it was the most random wandering vagrant projectile

[simple stratus]

i stg this challenge is just "pray to god rng likes you on this run"

you can do the same exact thing over and over and just be at the mercy of what the enemies are doing. it changes where i am when they spawn, if i get hit, etc. not to mention extremely annoying splash damage

this challenge is riddled with enemies that do splash damage or do like 3 damage

[fierce geyser]

well this is certainly not the easiest pris trial for ethereal
but a lot of the stuff you are talking about (minus kjaros, thats up to you) is controlled by the seed and by extension your movements
the more predictable and consistent your movements are, the more predictable and consistent the trial is

[jaunty stream]

.p señora su hijo esta viendo

[frank marlin]

What

[jaunty stream]

!p señora su hijo esta viendo

[ruby helm]

im dreading the day when i actually start attempting to unlock ethereal

[sacred obsidian]

@ruby helm Remember that if glass artifact is enabled, you have a much higher chance of success

[ruby helm]

gonna guess that artifact makes it so you die in one hit?

[zenith plinth]

500% damage 10% health

[ruby helm]

noted

[small pond]

Essentially you hit 5x as hard which is good because Mercenary is basically relegated to taking a piss on his foes and hope it kills them

[ruby helm]

Sounds like a time

[sacred obsidian]

Yep. Just check it every once in a while and if it has glass give it a try

It's also good to remember enemy spawns, for example if there's an area where lots of wisps appear and there's not much of importance there try to avoid it

I got ethereal within the first 10 tries with this strategy. The rng of a decent seed also comes into play, but I made choices that mattered

[zenith plinth]

guys

i just got silence betweeen two strikes

during the trial

[frank marlin]

Cool

[white frost]

I've had that as well

[glacial perch]

how can you achieve merc ability? like without falling 100% below

[pearl berry]

Watch Cabbage

[glacial perch]

watch cabbage grow or wha

[ruby helm]

i think they're talkin bout a youtuber?

[indigo snow]

[glacial perch]

oh thanks

[raw ember]

I wish it was actually worth it to use, since it's so difficult to get. It just isn't worth losing the I-frames

[fierce geyser]

SW is certainly worth it
it is roughly 50% more damage from what I have heard

[raw ember]

That is true, but eviscerate can get you out of a sticky situation a lot of times

[pearl berry]

that is true but slicing winds behemoth

[raw ember]

That sounds good but there's also no guarantee of a behemoth. Although slicing winds does look really cool

[pearl berry]

I mean there's a bug with it

[raw ember]

wdym?

[frank marlin]

Two stacks of exposed

[raw ember]

that's a fair point

[drifting heron]

is that the same for mercs 3rd primary applying exposed?

[fierce geyser]

yes

[cyan stratus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SVMGCKaHIg&feature=youtu.be

[solemn fiber]

#88

@indigo snow

[little wadi]

yo, when cabbage gets to #100, does he get a reward from the devs?

[warped tangle]

i hate elder lemerians

[mellow bluff]

Don't we all?

[simple stratus]

FINALLY

I did exactly what cabbage did except played it more safe by getting squid turrets and the lightning strike and an extra topaz. made it kind of easy

the.... ability is uh... something

[tribal moth]

Gratz.

[pale spade]

Using chaos and swarms to let the bosses kill each other... its genius

[exotic inlet]

Only need hopoo for this trial 😄

[ruby helm]

i swear man this trial is gonna drive me mad

it feels like no matter what i do i just get hit by the god damn elder lemurians splash damage

[exotic inlet]

I'm sorry but wtf are those 1st and 2nd time....

[frank marlin]

Cheaters or people who are really good

[exotic inlet]

51 sec is one of the best time for the first map... and i'm playing loader for mobility not huntress cause elders lemurians guard the mid x)

btw hopoo feather at the first boss really help for the speedrun of the second map thank hopoo ❤️

[rotund fractal]

They sold their soul to Elder Lemerians

[zenith plinth]

What do you think that the top 10% of people should get (other than nothing)

Serotonin

[white frost]

vac ban

[north prawn]

head

[pale spade]

I mean, lunar coins

Maybe a skin for the character they cleared with

Like a purple crystaly skin would be great

[reef jasper]

like an icon border or something

[craggy creek]

but that would be unfair to people who are not good

like me

i mean lunar coins would be good

[exotic inlet]

i'm not that good too, just keep trying until you find the best time for each map and prepare yourself to restart again and again until you do a good run ^^

btw top 5 now all under 1:30 sec i believe :/

[craggy creek]

wow

[gusty swan]

Lemdog
@cinder estuary i second this

[pearl berry]

[tough belfry]

"it would be unfair to not give rewards to people that aren't good" ?????/ how

[fierce geyser]

ye that makes no sense
giving lunar coins might be annoying if players cant achieve top 10%
but icon border or something is purely cosmetic, as long as it isn't tied to a Steam Achievement I see no issue with it

[gusty swan]

Why not give a skin or something

[orchid mantle]

I spent five hours of pure rage doing the prismatic trial, I did ethereal!

[gusty swan]

Congratulations

[gusty anvil]

I completed ethereal on a trial that had artifact of glass so getting hit just out right killed me

Which in my opinion made it easier

[ruby helm]

Yea im gonna wait till artifact of glass to do ethereal

[pale spade]

Glass is one of the best for ethereal. Also chaos+swarms lets the bosses just kill each other

[ruby helm]

yea

i know it wont happen cos im super unlucky but glass+chaos would be an easy win and i hope to god the next prismatic trial is that

[regal oyster]

Anybody wanna help me with the switch trial

[fierce geyser]

getting ethereal?

[regal oyster]

Just getting the harvester's tbh but i might try merc

Never actually played him before

[fierce geyser]

oh getting scythe is pretty easy, you just play like normal maybe rushing a bit

for merc that requires a lot of effort, and only 2 hours left on the trial so I would wait till next trial to attempt that one

[tender knoll]

How do I convince my friend that getting hit will end ethereal even if you have shields

[fierce geyser]

eh just let him suffer

[tender knoll]

Imagine if there was an ethereal achievement for every survivor

Rex: ethereal

[twilit dove]

oHHHH NOOOOOO

[ruby helm]

Dont give hopoo ideas, it’ll only end in misery

[cyan stratus]

that would be fun

[solemn fiber]

you should post the next one 😳

[fierce geyser]

cabbage you should do ethereal for every survivor every trial

new trial lets go

wait why is this just the same trial as last week

[cyan stratus]

last trial didn't have 10 templars as 2nd boss

[fierce geyser]

ok true

although when I took longer like around 4 min it was only 2

maybe that is the strat for ethereal

anyway looks like the character for this one is loader

boring

[cyan stratus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB0AAdjKYPY&feature=youtu.be

[solemn fiber]

#89

[ruby helm]

Okay so i made it all the way to the second boss without getting hit and it wasnt two glacial clay templar's it was two blazing grovetenders

[fierce geyser]

what time did you get there?

[ruby helm]

ohhhh

[fierce geyser]

boss changes based on time, so that might be it

[ruby helm]

i was prolly on a harder difficulty

[fierce geyser]

hmm?

you cant change the difficulty

[ruby helm]

like i prolly spent too long is what i mean

[fierce geyser]

oh time scaling

[ruby helm]

yea

bollocks man i was real close too

[fierce geyser]

ye
do you remember how long it took you?

[ruby helm]

uhhhhh prolly around 5-8 minutes in total with both zones

i got the first area done with quick in about 2 and a half minutes

[fierce geyser]

hmm, that isnt that much farther than 4 min for the second tele

but that would be my best guess anyway

as console and PC are now the same trial I believe

[ruby helm]

does it say my total time up until i died on the game over screen?

[fierce geyser]

it should yeah

[ruby helm]

it doesnt seem to

wait no im dumb

it says 4:46

[fierce geyser]

oh, well then the time is not very far off cabbages

[ruby helm]

so i was at about the same time as cabbages run then

[fierce geyser]

I must be missing something here

[ruby helm]

same here

[white frost]

did you take the blue portal or anything

[ruby helm]

nope

gunned straight for the finish

[white frost]

console version?

[fierce geyser]

ye blue portal will change it

[ruby helm]

nah im on pc

[fierce geyser]

I think that actually might be the strat for today, blue portal to get tonic and purity

[white frost]

maybe you actually activated the tele too soon

need to wait for a bit after 4:10 or so to hit the teleporter

[fierce geyser]

no, the previous boss is like 20 blazing clay templars

[white frost]

oh big oof

[ruby helm]

i only survived for like 15 seconds

:D

[fierce geyser]

thats why cabbage took so long

[ruby helm]

yea i was wondering about that as well

[fierce geyser]

hmm

puzzling

[ruby helm]

thats well annoyed me that two blazing grovetenders showed up cos i had that in the bag :(

[fierce geyser]

I guess maybe just try again?

ye that must have been pretty frustrating haha

[ruby helm]

yep

anyone wanna watch me suffer through the trial? :D

vc 45 is free

[fierce geyser]

dont think you can Stream here sadly

[ruby helm]

i cannot

tis a shame

any channels where you can stream or nah?

[fierce geyser]

ye
wish I could stream
although when I try to stream it usually doesnt work anyway

not to my knowledge, no

[ruby helm]

rip

[solemn fiber]

@indigo snow

[fierce geyser]

mods said it was too hard to moderate or smth

[solemn fiber]

forgot to ping shy

[ruby helm]

welp ima sit in here anyway if anyone feels like joinin

[fierce geyser]

thought you were calling the cops on us

[white frost]

What about #ror-streams-and-videos

[fierce geyser]

well you could link a stream there

[white frost]

Or am I misunderstanding

[fierce geyser]

we were talking about built-in discord streaming

[white frost]

Mh

[ruby helm]

yea

[ruby helm]

ngl its kind of annoying how inconsistent enemy spawns are in runs that are meant to be seeded

[fierce geyser]

monster spawns are very consistent, always spawn in same order and based off your movements

[ruby helm]

i dont get why sometimes enemies are in different locations depsite how i pretty much the same way every time, I always use the same route and all

i get how grovetender spawns work (I think) but i lost last run because no wisps spawned and they're needed for farming armour

[white frost]

only the time and monsters spawned are predeterined, their location is random

[ruby helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdxEUL18ySY

genuinely this is how i feel about this stupid achievement

[fierce geyser]

if its not glass, why bother?

[ruby helm]

it was at 10 health

10 health and it somehow fucking chip damages me

i didnt even notice it

all the cards were in my favour

i had perfect rng with the atg spawns

and i still
fucking
got hit

this has legitimately broke me

for the first god damn time in my life, i feel actually defeated

i cant beat this god forsaken achievement

[loud glen]

anyone have any advice for mercenary unlock for the trial? (dont lose health)

[gusty swan]

Don't get hit

[loud glen]

some wisp i didnt see

[gusty swan]

How's cabbage procing his bands?

Mine doesn't proc when i use the special

[white frost]

Expose adds enough damage that any other attack will trigger it

[gusty swan]

I FUCKING GOT IT

YESSSSSSS

[pearl berry]

pog

[gusty swan]

@cyan stratus i love you so much no homo

pog
@pearl berry HELL YEA POG

Can i get a pog in the chat?

[pearl berry]

[gusty swan]

Imma celebrate with a lemdog

Pog

Cabbage is a hero tbh

[dense blade]

anyone have any advice for mercenary unlock for the trial? (dont lose health)

Look for topaz brooches

[rigid panther]

Today good to try for ethreal or no?

Also, is ethereal good or is it just for the achievement

[frank marlin]

I'd say the unlock is good, no idea if the current trial is easy or not

[fierce geyser]

current trial is not a no-brain easy one, but the availability of brooches makes it very do-able @rigid panther

[calm badge]

yea this one isnt terrible atleast from the cabbage video

theres worse trials and better ones

[rigid panther]

"this one is easy cause all you have to do is not take dmg"

[fierce geyser]

*not get hit

[glacial perch]

2 lemurian will start spawning on 0:08 seconds,and there's topaz brooch and kjaro band at the start,a great start really+ tougher time on a little far time crystal

[rigid panther]

im just mad bc 50% of the chests are cautious slugs ;/

[glacial perch]

ouch,me too

[reef jasper]

I love clugs

[rigid panther]

got to last boss, wisps spawned, day ruined

[pliant prism]

I FUCKING GOT IT
@gusty swan language

[ruby helm]

YEEEEEES

OH MY GOD MY HEART IS BLOODY RACING

[gusty swan]

Pog

Good job

🥳

[uncut bloom]

I've decided i will always be 99.1% done with the game

[ruby helm]

rip

[gusty swan]

@uncut bloom keep trying yoh can do it

[uncut bloom]

no

[gusty swan]

Yes

[uncut bloom]

no i wont try

[ruby helm]

you got 3 days bud, you can take a break and return to it

[gusty swan]

This one is easier then others

[ruby helm]

the one before this one was really dumb

[gusty swan]

I got it with like 10 tries

Yea

[ruby helm]

but yeah i was able to lab out a route studying cabbage's route and after i failed like 50 times yesterday i went to bed, debated going back to it, went back to it and got it on like my third or fourth try

im not kidding when i said that my heart was legitimately racing

i think my bpm tripled

[gusty swan]

Haha

[pliant prism]

I've decided i will always be 99.1% done with the game
@uncut bloom if you discard the need for food water and sleep you can get the achievement within one year!

[uncut bloom]

wow! very cool!

[gusty swan]

@astral vine

Oh so you're a risk of rain fan? Get ethereal

[ruby helm]

Y’know i find it funny that the game considers two blazing grovetenders easier than two glacial clay templars

Cos if ya go too early it spawns them if I remember

[gusty swan]

Yea

[ruby helm]

And dont like 8 elite enemies spawn before the grovetenders as well?

[fierce geyser]

yes
blazing templars 👀

[ruby helm]

This seeds difficulty scaling is scuffed

[fierce geyser]

and that spawn really throws a wrench in speedrunning this one

[ruby helm]

Seems so

[fierce geyser]

I opted to just take the newt altar and tonic/purity, I dunno if thats the optimal strat though

[thin mango]

to be fair, the beam slash kinda sucks

[fierce geyser]

what, slicing winds?

[thin mango]

yeah

[ruby helm]

The slicing winds?

I think they’re p good

[thin mango]

it's weird that it's so hard tp unlock

[fierce geyser]

yeah slicing winds is good
its a lot more dps

[thin mango]

but no invincibility

[fierce geyser]

although of course not as safe

[ruby helm]

I feel that it also gives the merc some much needed ranged options as well

[thin mango]

which means less if you can't approach

[ruby helm]

It may not be that much but its nice to have

[fierce geyser]

which means less if you can't approach
thats weird logic
slicing winds is better with perfect play, but nobody plays perfectly

[thin mango]

with only one rangedoption it doesn't realy work tho

[ruby helm]

Its better than nothing

[thin mango]

his defult is not nothing

combined with his new passive

[ruby helm]

I mean all his “ranged” attacks have him approaching enemies

Slicing winds doesnt

[fierce geyser]

yeah slicing winds being ranged is ok but matters little compared to general damage increase
most of the time you are like practically inside of bosses anyway

[thin mango]

exactly

[ruby helm]

Ig

[fierce geyser]

combined with his new passive
slicing winds applies new passive though 🤔

[thin mango]

but the invincibility allows more approach options

wait fr?

it applies the passive

[fierce geyser]

ye
last hit of SW applies exposed

[ruby helm]

Oh cool

[thin mango]

honestly would prefered to put it on instead ofrising winds then if I could

[fierce geyser]

what

[thin mango]

his right click

upgrade

[fierce geyser]

rising thunder you mean?
I hope you arent using that

[thin mango]

that's soo good though? the defult sucks so hard

[ruby helm]

Not really

[thin mango]

it wasn't even worth using for, me, even when I didn't unlock the alt yet

[ruby helm]

I think the only issue with it is that on the ground it doesnt auto sprint so you have to constantly press sprint after each use

[fierce geyser]

no whirlwind is 100% better
better horizontal mobility, vertical mobility, easier combos, and still decent band procs
and like barely any dps decrease

[thin mango]

but the range on is is kinda trash

[tough belfry]

better vertical mobility???

[thin mango]

Whirlwind doesn't give verticalmobility

[reef jasper]

yeah use whirlwind on a slope

[ruby helm]

Yea

[thin mango]

that, doesn't count

[reef jasper]

launches you in the air bc unity physics

[fierce geyser]

trimping
merc go fly
way better than measly jump up

[reef jasper]

no im right and youre rong

[thin mango]

then they would be balanced

[ruby helm]

I mean we can still debate about it :D

[thin mango]

which, sadly, they aren't

[fierce geyser]

that, doesn't count
why not
i mean you can do it
why doesnt it count?

[astral vine]

Who @‘ed me here?

I. Ant find it

[reef jasper]

might have been deleted

[thin mango]

Becuase you can use it to go up in air

[tough belfry]

you can place engi turrets inside walls

[thin mango]

you have tofind a slope first

[tough belfry]

is that fun?

[reef jasper]

which is so hard

[ruby helm]

Slopes are p common

[fierce geyser]

slopes are literally everywhere

[thin mango]

I think the most balanced one would be laoder

becuase they have a reason to pick either one oftheir alts

[tough belfry]

loader's alt m2 is a direct upgrade

[thin mango]

just wrong

[ruby helm]

P much

[thin mango]

it's good,

[fierce geyser]

ye alt m2 is generally better
although default is good in some cases

[ruby helm]

Bein able to drag enemies off of the stage is really fun ngl

[reef jasper]

loader's alt m2 is a direct upgrade
@tough belfry nah i prefer pulling off enemies for mobility

[fierce geyser]

loaders' utilitys are well balanced though

[thin mango]

but the esapce option and chargingthat the defult gives balances it out.

[reef jasper]

yeah the utilities are good though

[tough belfry]

there's almost never any reason to use enemies

[thin mango]

wait, im thinking of the shift

[tough belfry]

because there are lots of walls

[ruby helm]

Its fun when ya can though

[reef jasper]

this is how hard it is to find a slope

[thin mango]

but walls don't fly

[reef jasper]

oh it finally uplkoaded

[fierce geyser]

lol

[thin mango]

and walls don't move

[fierce geyser]

yeah trimping slopes are basically everywhere

[ruby helm]

Yea

[thin mango]

but are the in the air

[tough belfry]

from my experience speedrunning

[reef jasper]

i dont need them in the air

[fierce geyser]

sirWilliam I have no idea what you are saying tbh

[thin mango]

you don't need to keep yourself in the air

[ruby helm]

Same tbh

[tough belfry]

i have never grappled an enemy

to swing off them

[thin mango]

I don't understand why

[reef jasper]

i have my utility and and my m1+m2 keep my from falling

[thin mango]

it even help Laoder gain air height

[reef jasper]

so its like i stay airborne all the time anyway

[thin mango]

but th utily takes a while

[ruby helm]

I hope we get an alt for loaders special tbh

[fierce geyser]

yes

[thin mango]

YEs

her specail is only goodfor wisps rn

[ruby helm]

Yea

[fierce geyser]

*her

[thin mango]

true dat

[ruby helm]

Also one more use is to get over to the island in rallypoint delta

But thats not really a huge thing

[thin mango]

you can get that with fist

don't even need the thing

[ruby helm]

Its alot easier if you grapple off of it

[thin mango]

well, charge fist

not the other one

which I don't rember the name of since I don't use it

[fierce geyser]

thunder

[thin mango]

ah

thunder gauntlet

It's good, but I don'tlike it

I like passingthrough enemies

and keeping momentum

[ruby helm]

Same here

[thin mango]

yee

[reef jasper]

cring

[astral vine]

Oh so you're a risk of rain fan? Get ethereal
@gusty swan i will

[pliant prism]

Oh so you're a risk of rain fan? Get ethereal
@gusty swan Oh so you’re a risk of rain fan? Get more than 6 skins pleb

[green steeple]

Oh so you’re a risk of rain fan? Beat prismatic trials in 20 seconds

[pale spade]

wins in <1 sec

[green steeple]

eh, you’re a risk of rain fan, but you’re not a pro.

(seriously though how do people clear prismatic trials in 30 seconds)

[pale spade]

... hackers?

[green steeple]

dang

[ruby helm]

prolly yeah

[heavy warren]

I got ethereal on today’s prismatic trial, that was so unnecessarily difficult.

There’s a royal capacitor in the luck shrine and there’s two topaz brooches

[heavy warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61MwWAuG1r8

[ruby helm]

congrats pal!

[soft brook]

not many people doing trials these days? i got number 11 and i only did like 8 runs lol

[fast sundial]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQnwMQLZXAs

Not the fastest, but a safe-ish strat to get the achievement in the current seed.

[astral vine]

THANK YOU SO MUCH

[fierce geyser]

using rising thunder though thats kinda sus

[astral vine]

why?

its more dmg

[fierce geyser]

thunder is sus

barely any more

[astral vine]

also dude this seed is amazing

[heavy warren]

Yeah two brooches and a capacitor

[astral vine]

i got a ceremonial pog

from a chance shrine

[lost python]

how do i get clay templars as the second boss???

[astral vine]

whaaa

[fierce geyser]

the boss will change based on the difficulty scaling

[soft brook]

yeah bosses are different based on timing so if you are faster they are templars

[final light]

who can see what time #1 has?

im new to prismatics kinda im Dalton im rank 11 rn

[lost python]

Finally... Ty Gharren & Cabbage you guys helped a lot.

[warped tangle]

YESSS I BEAT IT WITHOUT TAKING DAMAGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THANK YOU Cabbage

[dark jetty]

Why are there peoples with colored names? not the first time i've seen

[fierce geyser]

you can color your name by adding a color code in front of it

and game reads that

[dark jetty]

Really? That's nice, thank you

[gusty swan]

How do i check pt leaderboard on console?

[fierce geyser]

You should be able to see your standings in the current trial when you click the pris trial page from the main menu
it may be set to display friends by default, and you can change it to show the global leaderboard

however I dont play console, it may work differently there

[daring skiff]

Is this a good seed to get ethereal?

[warped tangle]

yes

[soft brook]

number 1 time is like -1:58 theres too many hacks on the leaderboard its unfortunate

id be interested in seeing how someone could pull a 1:43 with merc or huntress, as well as the 1:38 capt. pretty sure theyre hacks because i cant imagine thats possible either

[fierce geyser]

cap one might be legit

[soft brook]

in what way

it would take a minute and a half just to walk there

[fierce geyser]

captain can use crystal boosts to get around and shred bosses with fancy m1 resets

[tough belfry]

or just skip bosses

[fierce geyser]

although most likely still a cheater, depends on who did it

[soft brook]

skip bosses?

[fierce geyser]

I know engi can skip bosses

can cap too?

[tough belfry]

o wait maybe not idk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOghtCe6gPo

was thinking of this one but it's not a skip just a kill

[hollow olive]

how do you just flat out skip bosses?

[tough belfry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFggQ4IhPNo

[fierce geyser]

honestly I have no idea how It works

[soft brook]

ok so its either an exploit ora hack

so its useless anyway because thatdoesnt count in my mind lmao

[tough belfry]

bad opinion

[soft brook]

yes because exploiting and hacking should be taken completely legitimately

[hollow olive]

yeah they should honestly wipe records of the leaderboard if they used an exploit

[solemn fiber]

:/

[hollow olive]

thats not a show of skill thats just showing you cant do something the legit way

[fierce geyser]

what

[solemn fiber]

exploits an exploit
hacking is entirely different from exploits

[fierce geyser]

its not like hes hacking

thats totally fine

[solemn fiber]

nor do they have a way to predict if you did cheat or not

nor will they

[hollow olive]

i never said he was hacking....

[fierce geyser]

oh no I trimped with merc
I should be banned from the leaderboard

[solemn fiber]

they aren't gonna get anti-cheat stuff just for prismatic trials

it doesn't have a reward outside of the 2 unlocks, and I don't see it getting one in the future

[fierce geyser]

thats not a show of skill thats just showing you cant do something the legit way
yes because I am sure that engi can complete a trial quickly the "legit way"

[hollow olive]

ok so dont use the engineer lol

its not the only character in the game

[fierce geyser]

point is that pris trials are like an any% speedrun

[hollow olive]

figure out which character works best for that prismatic trial and use that one

[fierce geyser]

you are allowed to do whatever short of hacking

[soft brook]

idc what the reward is, its an in game leaderboard and exploiting an unintended mechanic is ruins the competitive integrity

[hollow olive]

no any% speedruns have their own seperate leaderboards this is an in game leaderboard

[solemn fiber]

you realize it resets like every 3 days right

[tough belfry]

it doesn't ruin the competitive integrity

it's an interesting exploit that can only be done in certain situations

[soft brook]

ok so if someone finds a glitch and gets the best tiem and doesnt tell anyone about it, thats okay?

[solemn fiber]

you really dont know the people who do prismatics if you think a bit of exploiting ruins it

[tough belfry]

they do tell about it

._.

[solemn fiber]

yeah you don't know shit about what you're talkin about Buu lmfao

[hollow olive]

they should tell everyone about it then

[heavy warren]

If they didn’t tell how would you know that they do :/

[soft brook]

because they have impossibly high times? its not hard to estimate possible times

[solemn fiber]

its obvious to tell whos a hacker or not mate

[hollow olive]

i get using an exploit if youre doing a speedrun for a leaderboard outside of the maingame but to do it for an in game leaderboard is just annoying

[solemn fiber]

it takes at the least 1 minute to do stage 1 depending on the stage and speed

[hollow olive]

like its not hard to get into top 20 without using an exploit

[soft brook]

you guys can enjoy the game how you want, im just saying if you come here exploiting im just not going to take your time into consideration because its not legit so it takes away from the gameplay for me

[solemn fiber]

okay then?

being all out and rude about it does nothing

[hollow olive]

as long as the people who exploit dont think they're actually good at the game then its fine by me

[soft brook]

i wasnt being rude? you are the one saying rude comments that i dont know shit about what im talking about LOL good bye

[solemn fiber]

then they leave when they know they're in the wrong to not be told they're wrong anymore
like most do in arguments when they know this

a clown

[elfin plinth]

i dont undestand anything but that buu is complaining on nothing

[solemn fiber]

everybody shits on the hackers, but people still take into account the people who uses bugs n glitches because they allow for faster times and easier merc prismatic trials

[hollow olive]

who left

buu is still here lol

[solemn fiber]

the conversation

and they're back :)

[hollow olive]

theyve been here

[soft brook]

i never left lmfao

[fierce geyser]

as long as the people who exploit dont think they're actually good at the game then its fine by me
ah yes I am sure verstatx is very bad at the game

[elfin plinth]

i am going to tell verstatx they are bad right now

[soft brook]

im not going to continue talking to someone who insults and the says passive aggressive nonsense just to fish for an argument when theyre being hostile

point is, hacking is unintended right? so is exploiting, whats the difference?

[hollow olive]

if he is actually good because of pure skill then thats one thing groove

but if he thinks hes good simply because of exploiting then thats something else

[solemn fiber]

if you come here exploiting im just not going to take your time into consideration because its not legit so it takes away from the gameplay for me
if its just you, then you can just...keep it to yourself.
reason I said you don't know what you're talking about is because you said that people who do this hate exploiting when in reality its just the hackers that we hate

exploits and bugs will happen because they make for faster times and easier trials for people
they'll always be found by the people who do them every time, like Cabbage, because it makes it easier for new people

[soft brook]

okay, and so does hacking, soooo?

[fierce geyser]

exploits are under the control of the devs
hacking is not

[solemn fiber]

hacking is manipulation of the game itself to cheat fully, no effort required
exploiting is using the games limitations, requiring effort to actually do them

[elfin plinth]

i dont understand both sides of conversation

[soft brook]

yes im sure they enable bugs because they want them in the game lmfao

[solemn fiber]

pressing a button and getting a win is different from clipping through a wall

[elfin plinth]

yeah im sure they can find all the bugs in one click boo

[fierce geyser]

I mean some, yeah
like trimping with merc m2 is most likely intended

[elfin plinth]

the special bug catcher

[solemn fiber]

its very intended
trimping exists on all characters actually

[soft brook]

is putting code into the game not part of the games limitations? the game allows you to do that so its fair right?

[solemn fiber]

my god

[fierce geyser]

your computer allows you to do it more like

this is getting dumber by the second

[solemn fiber]

pressing a button and getting a win is different from clipping through a wall
read, buu

[soft brook]

yes my computer is a tool in my gaming so i can use to to get a better time right?

[elfin plinth]

vulf you cant expect everyone be able to read

[fierce geyser]

well, no
something like a macro would be pretty unethical for the trials imo

[soft brook]

okay so i can get a hack to clip through walls but not an insta win hack

[solemn fiber]

You're trying to say that exploiting = hacking because...you're manipulating the game?
Like, you realize that makes no sense right

exploiting is obviously not hacking

exploiting doesn't manipulate the code of the game in any way

or use external cheats

[fierce geyser]

exploiting and hacking is a fine line
but sometimes you just have to use your brain
exploiting requires effort and skill

[soft brook]

i understand its a different mechanic, but according to your logic of allowing bugs you should be able to hack but yet you dont like hacking

[fierce geyser]

bugs and hacking are very different things haha

[elfin plinth]

where in vulf's logic is hacking allowed,quote it

[solemn fiber]

you're a 🐨

[elfin plinth]

joala

[solemn fiber]

I've said many times hacking isn't allowed mate and is looked down upon

[soft brook]

yes and im confused as to why glitching isnt

[solemn fiber]

exploiting bugs obviously isn't hacking

very much obvious

[soft brook]

because they fall under the same line as far as in game leaderboards go

[solemn fiber]

🐨 🧠

[hollow olive]

so if the exploit is ok and everyone is fine with it why is there a video not explaining it. I can only find one that shows it as its happening but not something explaining how to do it

[solemn fiber]

Why not ask Cabbage to make one then

he uses them almost every trial to make it easier for people

[elfin plinth]

why should there be a video about the exploit?

[solemn fiber]

exploits, bugs
like trimping, clipping, etc.

[hollow olive]

because its only fair to everyone else

[solemn fiber]

a tutorial on how to do them would be useful to people anyway

[soft brook]

i like how you call people rude vulfoof but here you are, being the only one insulting in a civil ethic conversation kinda weird bro

[hollow olive]

if your fine with an exploit then there should be a video on how to do it

[solemn fiber]

wait how the fuck is this an ethic conversation lmfao
didn't know we're talking about ethics now

[fierce geyser]

he made a tutorial on merc dashing flying mobs, although it is outdated now

[solemn fiber]

and buu, from how you're acting, this is definitely not a civil convo
with the amount of salt

[fierce geyser]

but you could also ask around the discord if you want to learn some of the exploits

[soft brook]

... because we're talking about whether exploiting is morally okay or not compared to hacking lol...

[solemn fiber]

and being unable to listen to 3 people explain to you that exact thing

[elfin plinth]

what is even going on
im dumb but not this dumb

[soft brook]

i am not salty at all? im just bringing up points based on my opinion of exploits not being competitive

[fierce geyser]

people like cabbage, verstatx, even me in some regard are quite knowledgeable about them

[solemn fiber]

and the wr holder wig

wig only comes in when its a speedy ass trial

[fierce geyser]

haha

[soft brook]

i am very aware of the top players and what the games current meta is as far as trials

[fierce geyser]

if there is one think I am not knowledgeable about
it is loader

[solemn fiber]

Buu, we've explained many times how exploiting isn't hacking but you ignore us saying them and move on with your points
you're unable to listen to us 3

[soft brook]

but i also believe it would be a lot more enjoyable for everyone if exploits were looked at the same as hacks

[solemn fiber]

exploiting, very much obviously, isn't hacking
as we've said

[fierce geyser]

ok then
but they arent

[elfin plinth]

would be real enjoyable to have more people screaming "ETHEREAL IS IMPOSSIBLE REEE NERF ACHIEVE LITERALLY BAD" right

[fierce geyser]

nobodies going to stop me from booting up a trial and clipping out of bounds with merc

[soft brook]

LOL @elfin plinth

[elfin plinth]

not funny.

[soft brook]

it would be annoying but thats besides the point

[hollow olive]

so can anyone explain to me how to do this exploit where you can just skip the boss since i guess thats the only way to compete

[solemn fiber]

exploiting - using bugs and ingame mechanics to get a faster trial (ex: trimping, clipping in special spots, etc.)
hacking - using external tools and editing the games code to get a faster trial (ex: press-one-button-and-win, using non-bepinex mods, etc.)

[elfin plinth]

would be a lot more enjoyable for everyone

[soft brook]

okay, bad players will always be upset when they cant do things, that doesnt mean abusing bugs makes it okay

[solemn fiber]

it is very clear to most people that an exploit isnt a hack but it isn't to you
so I explained it clearly right there.

If you're unable to understand that then I'm ok with leaving the conversation here, as you're unable to understand this knowledge.

[elfin plinth]

i reckon we leave buu to their bad understandings this doesnt look like it is going anywhere

[soft brook]

vulfoof I have said countless times i KNOW what the difference is. but they also fall under the same category of unintended in game mechanics.

[fierce geyser]

so can anyone explain to me how to do this exploit where you can just skip the boss since i guess thats the only way to compete
you could ask verstatx
but as you said yourself, thats not the only way to compete

[solemn fiber]

trimping is very much intended by now

same for mercs shift pushing bosses

those are the heavily used skills in trials with merc

[fierce geyser]

rip mercs shift pushing bosses
so wack after 1.0

[soft brook]

and what about skipping bosses entirely? thats intended?

[hollow olive]

i want to try and compete without using exploit but im not going to get any higher then i am if almost everyone above me is using an exploit

[solemn fiber]

you mean that you can easily do if either stage is sky meadow?

[fierce geyser]

are exploits fun: yes
are exploits skillful: yes
what is your issue with them in pris trials?

[solemn fiber]

i can say why in the ThIs SpEaK if you'd like

[elfin plinth]

they consider them hacks as ive understood from this piece of convo

[soft brook]

because its an in game leaderboard. i also find god mode funny, but i dont hack because its not competitive

[fierce geyser]

but god mode is not skillful, is it?

[soft brook]

no, i dont i am aware that altering code and playing the game without hacks but abusing glitches are different

Okay, if you learn how to do a glitch and abuse it in every run easily because you know how to do it now, how is that skill?

[hollow olive]

Can no one explain the exploit to me or at least link me a video on how to do it. and I mean a video that actually explains it not just someone doing it with no explanation

[soft brook]

seems similar to just putting in a code to make the game easier?

[fierce geyser]

do you want the pris trials leaderboard to split into any% and normal, and then hope people respect that enough to actually follow those rules haha?

[elfin plinth]

are you saying that being skillful means it isnt skillful anymore

[soft brook]

no im not obviously

[fierce geyser]

I mean
you kinda are

Okay, if you learn how to do a glitch and abuse it in every run easily because you know how to do it now, how is that skill?

[tough belfry]

@hollow olive i already sent the video

[soft brook]

i didnt say learning a hard glitch, just some simple thing like pressing a button at a certain point on a map

[tough belfry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFggQ4IhPNo

[elfin plinth]

yes

[solemn fiber]

theres nothing like that mate

[tough belfry]

read the description

[fierce geyser]

well then obviously it is not as skillful as cap m1 cancelling for instance

[elfin plinth]

if you learn when to press it and where to press it it means you've learned it
you got more skill in abusing a certain glitch

[soft brook]

you mean captains m1 m2 m1? or something else?

[fierce geyser]

but still took effort to leanr

[soft brook]

well i dont know how to hack so if i learned that i would have more skills

[fierce geyser]

oh haha
if you hate exploits you will absolutely despise cap m1 cancelling with beacon menu lol

[solemn fiber]

clipping is only in set locations and is only useful as people who can actually utilize it (huntress or merc)
and they're only useful if they're near where the teleporter is or the boss is so they're very specific in learning and using the skill

[soft brook]

jkjk

i dont hate exploits. i find them interesting and learn them myself. i just do not think it is morally competitive to use them in games thats all.

is there a vid on that groove?

[solemn fiber]

trimping can be done in alot of places on every map and is useful in alot of places, but requires learning how to actually do it consistently to actually pull it off correctly

[fierce geyser]

if there was an exploit that made trials unfun or too easy, devs would most likely remove it
almost every exploit right now is mostly intended at this point

[solemn fiber]

trimping can only be done if you're mercenary or any other character with 1 wax quail

the boss pushing, even though nerfed, was only possible as mercenary with their shift, and was a very specific skill in how to actually execute it correctly

[fierce geyser]

can be done to small extent on commando

using roll

[solemn fiber]

but who really plays commando on trials
whens mando gonna be faster than loader or merc lmfao

[fierce geyser]

mando can be really good in some trials

he has a few oobs
good speed
range
burst damage

[soft brook]

yeah, but one of my main issues is barrier to entry. lets say a new player wants to get into this and hes not a bad player but theres a ton of new glitches he has to learn and wants to be competitive so he just doesnt want to even get into it anymore. to me, that kinda sucks

[fierce geyser]

although oob and trimp are mutually exclusive for commando

[solemn fiber]

its like 3 things man

if thats really alot then they have very high standards

[fierce geyser]

I had plenty of fun getting into trials and learning oob and such

[soft brook]

a lot of people want to just play games and not watch 20 minutes of videos and study it before they play lol

[solemn fiber]

trimping is something you can learn in the base game and will probably learn easily

[fierce geyser]

well then they can play

[soft brook]

but not competitively

[fierce geyser]

nothing is stopping you from doing a trial

if you want to do it casually, do it casually
if you want to do it competitively, then learn how to do it that way

[elfin plinth]

dont study the vid
study the trial for an hour instead

[solemn fiber]

you really think theres gonna be 20 minute videos on each individual glitch
like its not something that can be compressed down into a 3-5 minute tutorial for all glitches in 1 video

[soft brook]

im just saying it makes to barrier to entry for competitivity in this game too high for new players as a community

[solemn fiber]

its fuckin not lmfao

[fierce geyser]

aaaaaaaaah

game has high skill ceiling
horrible game

[solemn fiber]

you're making it high with your own expectations and thoughts

[soft brook]

i have personally witnessed people stop playing this game because of this reason

as far as trials

[fierce geyser]

ror2 has pretty low skill ceiling compared to something like rocket league

even for trials

[solemn fiber]

the barrier is not high
if you dont have the effort to sit down and learn then you dont, the end.

its not 20 minute videos or like 50+ glitches
its just 3 things that could be explained in a 5 minute video for those 3 things

[soft brook]

i understand that completely, but that is not a good look for keeping a games community alive and growing

[solemn fiber]

:/

[fierce geyser]

ok
I need to go
you logic is wack
anyway, trials good
story over

[solemn fiber]

its very wack yeah

[soft brook]

different is wacky

[elfin plinth]

since when did glitches and pristrials keep ror2 alive and growing

[solemn fiber]

trials is not a crux

this community is way larger than something that most only play for the 2 unlocks they need

a competition only happens when the trial is actually fast, mainly under a minute

[soft brook]

im not worried about the game being fun for me, i love everything risk of rain. but i would love the community for trials to be larger

[solemn fiber]

like "oh the skill ceiling is super high because of these 3 glitches that means no new people will play trials and the community will die" is super flawed logic because of your want of exploits to be as shamed on as hacking even if the exploits are very useful and can't even be counted as exploits anymore with how ingrained they are into the prismatic trials runs and actual base game

[elfin plinth]

trial community is small because theres nothing else than 2 abilities and small times for them

[soft brook]

there are many, many people that do not play games when glitches are involved because they feel even stronger about it than i do

[solemn fiber]

outside of merc alt and scythe, theres nothing
if the trial has low times, alot of people who speedrun'll play because its fast

theres no reason it'd grow.

@tardy remnant spam

[soft brook]

scythe?

[solemn fiber]

...you don't even know the main reasons people play trials?

[soft brook]

oh the item LOL

im not saying glitches make the game ruined, but it does turn some people away thats all

[elfin plinth]

turn the people away from ...trials? and?>

[soft brook]

that means our community is even smaller because a potential member was turned away

[solemn fiber]

buu your original point was because of the exploits n glitches it turns the gameplay away from you

not others, YOU.

you guys can enjoy the game how you want, im just saying if you come here exploiting im just not going to take your time into consideration because its not legit so it takes away from the gameplay for me

[soft brook]

yes, and that still stands. but now im also saying theres people that would just not even play because of that

and that also sucks

[solemn fiber]

and cool people get turned away from a 3-day trial because a single guy uses exploits in his trial video and some other guy used hacks to get first place for that trial

doesnt mean they wont be back to try again later
nor does it mean that they wont still do the trial if its easy for the unlocks they require

[elfin plinth]

what could even be the percent of people leaving because of someone using glitches and someone who hacks

[solemn fiber]

if they really wont play the entire game because an optional gamemode has hackers and people who use exploits in it
they're flat out dumb

[soft brook]

its not possible to know, but ive seen it personally once so it exists

they play the game just not trials anymore

[solemn fiber]

ok and

the trials community will forever be small because theres nothing to do
thats it
why make it even smaller by trying to force this one thing that makes it fun away because its not fun to you

[soft brook]

well if people play it only because of glitches that makes a good point against mine i suppose

[reef jasper]

oh god the glitchless vs any% argument has reached risky 2

[soft brook]

3rd party website leaderboards are very different from in game leaderboards so no not really 😛

alright wtf is trimping i cant find anything about it someone inform me

[soft brook]

so with that captain shotgun cancel you cant do it anymore if your beacon comes down? lol

[ruby helm]

wow... that was certaintly a conversation

[fierce geyser]

arguing about exploits
-doesnt know what trimping is
-doesnt know what cap cancel is
seems legit

[ruby helm]

if i may ask what is cap canceling?

im guessing its like cancelling captains m1 to deal more dps yea?

[fierce geyser]

you can cancel caps m1 with his beacon menu, yes

[ruby helm]

neat

[fierce geyser]

requires very specific inputs, but its theoretical dps is insane

[ruby helm]

is it like M1 ==> R ==> Sprint ==> M1 ?

that in like quick succession?

[fierce geyser]

I cant remember, I never bothered to learn it
I can DM you some vids about it though if you want

[ruby helm]

sure

[soft brook]

so i need to know what death feels like to not like death? XD

[fierce geyser]

you need to understand the concept of death to not like death

[soft brook]

yes and i understand the concept of exploits, not the specific ones. thank you for clarifying my point lol

[reef jasper]

people using exploits in speedrunning is comparable to the concept of death

[gusty swan]

Exploits are fine to me

[waxen torrent]

I have used wall glitches as merc and it has saved me from getting ass-blasted by a solus control unit twice now

[soft brook]

itdbe cool to have a replay feature on peoples runs

also, wheres the damn restart button?

[fierce geyser]

yeah rip restart button haha

[soft brook]

give pls

[exotic inlet]

Well dunno how those "glitch" work, still enjoy playing trial for fun ^^

[zenith plinth]

Guess we have to wait a few months until we get a restart button :)===

[tough abyss]

Finally got ethereal after several attempts, it's soo tricky... I've used the guide posted here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQnwMQLZXAs&feature=youtu.be

[ruby helm]

Congrats

[fierce geyser]

well not a bad time for mul-t I guess
would run it some more but got really good boss spawn rng here and dont really feel like replicating that again

[ruby helm]

damn

How'd you get that fast of a run with MUL-T?

[fierce geyser]

I cheaped out and went to the bazaar

[ruby helm]

ah

makes sense

[tough belfry]

wtf is stage 2 boss lol

[ruby helm]

depending on your time its either like 8 blazing clay templars (I think), 2 Glacial clay templars (Which is the best for Ethereal) or 2 blazing Grovetenders

[silent matrix]

Wait you can go to bazaar in trials?

[fierce geyser]

sure enough
and it will give you a different stage 2, with new crystal/tp locations and boss
but be careful, during pris trials time is not stopped in the bazaar

[silent matrix]

Cool

[tough abyss]

Congrats
@ruby helm Thanks 😄

[cyan stratus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehaGl9-pDaI&feature=youtu.be

[solemn fiber]

#90

@indigo snow four score and 8 pings

[fierce geyser]

this one is a cakewalk

[soft brook]

im either really bad or you're doing some crazy path cabbage idk how ur 13 seconds faster XD

im trying fuel cell gorags opus thats the best i can think of

[fierce geyser]

wouldnt preon be best stage 2?

usually it is really insane with glass

[soft brook]

yeah i think so but i havent tested any angles yet

im sure its better but i dont think its 13 seconds faster

[fierce geyser]

well then you get green for wax or red whip

but eh, cabbage usually has a few tricks up his sleeve

[soft brook]

yeah the preon would save like 5 seconds at most hes doing something different completely for sure

[soft brook]

ok i got a really lucky run and got the preon to drop, idk why it seems random but now im 5 seconds off

[fierce geyser]

yeah sacrifice item drops order is set, but the drops are still random

[soft brook]

waitwaitwait

so that means i have to kill more enemies right?

oh nvm, so basically i just have to get lucky for the first item to drop when i need it right

[fierce geyser]

ye basically
thats why I dont really want to run this one

[soft brook]

ah i get it now, man that blows

i thought they were smart and made the enemies drop items specifically so you know who to kill :/

[fierce geyser]

yeah I wish sacrifice drops were part of the seed instead of just random
Zeddy made a feedback suggestion about that

[soft brook]

Yeah that on top of not having a restart button is pretty brutal LOL

[soft brook]

yeah think this one is pointless just an rng fest between item drops and the turrets targetting on the boss

[silent matrix]

I don’t have ethereal yet so I’m happy about this one

[soft brook]

yeah glass and kin is amazing for ethereal, thats how i got it a few weeks ago

[hardy python]

finally got it

[silent matrix]

And also beebles for stage 1

[glacial perch]

pretty fun today trial have glass and sacrifise

today may be a godly seed for merc achievement

but on wetlnad,there's alloy sooooo watch out ^^

[midnight shell]

surprisingly nice acrid trial if you're not as bad at M2 sniping as I am

I doubt this time will be competitive once huntress players start checking in though lol

[fierce geyser]

I respect the acrid times

[glacial perch]

i did ittttttt

bad time as well ;w;

[pale spade]

go you!

[silent matrix]

I have a feeling that the percentage of people who have completed ethereal will go up a lot today

[glacial perch]

true

[bronze igloo]

Is this the times to beat one stage or what cause I have never done a prismatic

[soft brook]

your time is saved on the leaderboard when you complete the 2 stages of the trial

[ruby helm]

it might stop being the least gotten achievo

[hallow bane]

Doubt it. Aside from the fact this Trial will disappear in a few days, it isn’t a cakewalk. It’s easy, sure (thank you Glass ), but not effortless to get done.

Btw, got Etheral.

[glacial perch]

congrats!

[exotic inlet]

this trial is the trial for etheral x)

[glacial perch]

yes

[exotic inlet]

what a leader board x)

[gusty swan]

This trial is a gift from the devs

It's so easy fror ethereal

[icy urchin]

what are the artifacts in it?

[gusty swan]

Command, kin, glass, sacrifice and honor

Stage one is beetle stage two is alloy vultures

[glacial cosmos]

Super easy. I waited got royal capacitor killed alloy got brainstalks and went ham with ult jump between vultures.

[nimble jackal]

What’s the best items for the ethereal challenge

[glacial perch]

topaz

some right equipment

[nimble jackal]

What’s right equipment

Like I’m asking what you recommend for eqp

[nimble jackal]

Oh wow

[hollow olive]

what a leader board x)
@exotic inletI know right im surprised i was able to get up there. as of posting this #1 has a 55 second clear 😆

i dont think ill ever get under 1:10 XD

[glacial perch]

preon for me

[hollow olive]

yeah preon is the best choice for this trial

[nimble jackal]

I was successful with the capacitor alloy brainstalks

[hollow olive]

but its annoying because sometimes an equipment thing doesnt drop off of an enemy or sometimes if it does drop it drops way to far away to get a fast time.

[exotic inlet]

my time is only because the equipement drop far away and don't let me get the red whip :/

[hollow olive]

im happy with my 1:18 but im definitely going to try and get a faster time

[exotic inlet]

maybe wit an early green drop i can win 15 sec

but i'm not a pro huntress

[hollow olive]

yeah i feel like these people who are in the top 4 are getting an item drop before even getting to the first teleporter and that's why they're able to get it done so fast

[exotic inlet]

yep

80% of the time is getting to the teleporter x)

10% is fighting and 10% is waiting after the teleporter

or maybe @cyan stratus has a secret? TELLLLL MEEEEEE 🤔

[hollow olive]

I want to know what that person that got 55 seconds did XD

[cyan stratus]

vase

[astral vine]

hi cabbage

[cyan stratus]

hi

[astral vine]

how are you doing today?

[cyan stratus]

just the usual

[astral vine]

cool

does it get boring doing ethereal every like 3 days?

[cyan stratus]

sometimes

[astral vine]

i got ethereal today cause of you, thx for that

[gusty swan]

Cabbage go fo gd2

[astral vine]

oh god

[hollow olive]

@cyan stratus wait use the vase instead of preon?

[exotic inlet]

maybe early vase?

and preon after the 1st tp

[final osprey]

This trial was the easiest one to get ethereal I juat got it last night

[burnt grail]

Is this prismatic easy enough to get the mercanry achievement

[astral vine]

yeah wow

[burnt grail]

Like how easy

[astral vine]

two tries

4 , minutes

[burnt grail]

Ah how did you do it

[astral vine]

cabbage

[fierce geyser]

but yeah, this one is one of those insanely easy ones

[burnt grail]

Ok cool

Bro two tries too!

[celest verge]

oh man this trial is insane for etheral
literally got it first try without even look at cabbages vid

[burnt grail]

Yeah

[balmy tree]

Is Prismatic trials still bugged on console and is there supposed to be a fix that we've heard about anytime soon? I googled and saw some posts in Aug but nothing since 1.0

[fierce geyser]

pris trials should work just fine on console post 1.0

are you experiencing some issues with them?

[balmy tree]

Still stuck on the same artifacts and level as pre 1.0. Nothing seems to have changed.

[elfin tide]

~ Finally was able to get it done ~

[hollow olive]

I wish I knew how those people under 1 minute got those times

By the time i get the vase to spawn i wouldve gotten to the first teleporter in the same amount of time or even quicker without it

So i don't understand how that helps lol

[twilit dove]

pretty sure they just cheat

[rain ravine]

how do u cheat prismatics

[tough belfry]

u press the cheat button on ur pc

[hollow olive]

I originally thought that they get lucky with item drops. But then what items could they possibly get that makes them get 53 seconds

The vase doesn't make a huge difference

You have to get lucky to get an equipment to drop off of the first beatle and even then I get to the first teleporter at the same time.

So maybe they get lucky with movement speed items which helps them get around quicker but idk

[indigo snow]

It's cheating

in 99% of cases

There have been recorded sub-1s but for most trials it's impossible

[rain ravine]

Shrine of the shy provided knoledge

[exotic inlet]

...

with the maj the map is a new one

i'm LOST

[hollow olive]

It's all good I'm proud of my 1:14

[cyan stratus]

tree%

[solemn fiber]

yeah there're lots of easy clips

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565729054620385280/773224643645014036/Risk_of_Rain_2_2020-11-03_11-37-52.mp4
like ofr instance

[chilly tendon]

I finally got slicing winds today

perfect trial for it, if anyone hasnt tried yet

[hollow olive]

Wait did they change the trial already?

[exotic inlet]

nah time before still here and 2nd the same

only 1st map change for the new one

[cyan stratus]

lonely

[hollow olive]

why did they change the first stage ?

especially if the times and artifacts weren't reset

that makes no sense

[cyan stratus]

nobody manually does anything, it's just based on a seed

[hollow olive]

oh so the seed changed because of the update?

[exotic inlet]

well i improved my time so no remorse

still imperfect but i konw how to do it ^^

[gusty swan]

Will seeds be different for consoles and pc now there's a new patch?

[exotic inlet]

with the new map maybe...

[crimson grotto]

lol @ the one hole in sundered grove

its just

sitting there

[hollow olive]

so the trial is dropping a legendary item now instead of an equipment

[exotic inlet]

yep

[hollow olive]

so what do we go with brainstalks or ceremonial daggers?

[exotic inlet]

ceremonial dagger do the stuff ^^

[hollow olive]

ok thats what i figured

[exotic inlet]

but still random to get it or not

[hollow olive]

whats the strategy for the first boss now that there isnt a turret to help us

at least i didnt see one

[exotic inlet]

turret made me lose time

[hollow olive]

really?

[exotic inlet]

yeah

[hollow olive]

it helped me

[exotic inlet]

more xp mean more waiting

[hollow olive]

so what did you do for the first boss this time around?

just boomerang and hope for the best?

[exotic inlet]

yep and balista for those who are in a group of non boss

same for vulture

[hollow olive]

ok im going to have to try that out

[exotic inlet]

and deadly ennemie is the BETTLE turning around the first crystal

cause it's prioritize the bettle over the crystal so annoying

[exotic inlet]

so close yet so far

[hollow olive]

dang nice time

[exotic inlet]

improved again by 1sec

but still bad rng for the last tp

[hollow olive]

i feel like im targeting the wrong beetles first and it takes longer to complete the first stage

[rigid panther]

Did it finally. Most no brain trail ever

[blazing heath]

I thought I'd just goof around and do a fun run with mercenary with the 'all elites' artifact. Then I got brainstalks and accidentally became god

[static spear]

You don't become a god by accident

You most certainly knew what you were doing

[neon sorrel]

dude today was actually the easiest one ever finally got my samurai skill

[cyan stratus]

sub1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgTQDRDIj_4&feature=youtu.be

[glacial perch]

is this today one,or yesterday one?

[cyan stratus]

both

[glacial perch]

but yesterday one i play,no have mushroom place but siren call instead xd

[cyan stratus]

yes but 2nd map and artifacts are the same

[glacial perch]

true the artifact is remain same

may i know how did you get to the mushroom palace?

[cyan stratus]

it's just 1st stage on pc

[glacial perch]

distant roost?

[cyan stratus]

no on pc

[glacial perch]

weird

[solemn fiber]

so cabbage when ethereal

@cyan stratus

[exotic inlet]

he already did it

just before the map change

you just need to loot brainstalks now

and spam "r"

[solemn fiber]

tirory, its been 3 days, meaning the video in pins isn't the recent one

[fierce geyser]

trial in pins is most recent, is it not?

new trial soon

[solemn fiber]

one in pins - starts on sirens call
one thats now - starts on grove

[fierce geyser]

same trial, first map swapped because of update

cabbage might make new ethereal vid, I doubt it though

[solemn fiber]

damn all i wanted to do was post my cabbage

[hollow olive]

He might still upload an ethereal video but he also might not because the trial ends in 4 hours

[fierce geyser]

yo that cabbage rex run was sick

this trial would be so fun if it wasnt sacrifice 😔

[hollow olive]

He technically already did one for this trial but because of the new map the seed changed so he might not feel like making another one

Until it resets

[cyan stratus]

if seed changed because patch and new trial is different enough i make a new video

this trial is completely free so there's no need for a new video

[hollow olive]

Ahhh gotcha

[cyan stratus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du-566BuJBU&feature=youtu.be

[tough belfry]

@solemn fiber

[solemn fiber]

#91

[cyan stratus]

i went and fought mithrix instead and still got the achievement, didn't think that would work

[solemn fiber]

lmfao really?

casually fights the entire final boss without getting hit

do you have the video for that

[cyan stratus]

it has really low hp because it's at the start of a run

yeah i recorded it i can upload

[solemn fiber]

lmfao

[white frost]

using razorwire in a no-hit run is a very cabbage kind of thing to do

[fierce geyser]

thats really funny
I wonder if mithrix would ever be faster
I doubt it unless like insane honor trial or smth

[tough belfry]

movement to mithrix too slow i'd assume

[fierce geyser]

yeah

[cyan stratus]

upon request https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_KQCKGQe04&feature=youtu.be

[solemn fiber]

he really just ethereal mithrix

[ruby helm]

wait

you can fight mithrix in this trial?

[pale spade]

I wonder how it feels... to be a living legend

[ruby helm]

if so then holy crap thats amazing

oh my god cabbage you mad lad

i feel that when cabbage does 100 of these they should get a personal role for it

[soft brook]

im spending so much time routing out a loader path i got it down to 1:33 cant wait to get blown out of the water by people being better XD

[soft brook]

ofc its cabbage haha

how tf did you do that with mult D:

[cyan stratus]

mult fast

[soft brook]

are you getting fuel cell and preon?

[cyan stratus]

NO

only vase for trials

[soft brook]

ah

[cyan stratus]

never preon

[soft brook]

so you just snipe the wisps

[cyan stratus]

yes

[soft brook]

preon kills boss very fast

[cyan stratus]

vase goes to boss very fast

[soft brook]

very true

how are you killing the boss so fast without preon though?🤔

[cyan stratus]

double rebar

[soft brook]

im dumb i forgot about that, shows how much i play mult lmao

[zenith plinth]

@cyan stratus i did something that took a bit longer haha

but it was completely idiot proof

mind, i just started playing ror2 and i havent even played merc apart from the small time during prismatic trials but yeah, the achievement was pretty easy

[hollow olive]

@cyan stratus I noticed you said you were using vase with multi do you get any other items or do you just rush the boss and only bother with the item that drops off of there?

[exotic inlet]

@hollow olive just rush boss and use the boss item for razorwire

then it just a matter of aim pratice

[hollow olive]

you use double rebar though?

[exotic inlet]

yep

[hollow olive]

and how does that work though since the rebar takes 3 shots to kill each wisp

[exotic inlet]

if you take the time you can pick the white item avec the vase on the shrine of chance

just press R and left click and let the game do the job

[hollow olive]

what item do you get from the white items?

crowbar?