#prismatic-trials

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cyan stratus
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yeah ofc it's slowdown, i exited at the end so i didn't get a hacked time on the boards

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i wish there was some way to have frame advance/savestates to do some legit tas but slowdown is all i got right now

white frost
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I knew it was slowdown, what I was wondering is if that's the only cheat

slim lintel
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I feel like it could be slightly faster if you get a position where you could barely ballista both the crystals in the back so you dont have to turn around for the crystal on the platform

cyan stratus
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yeah s2 is extremely suboptimal

slim lintel
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swamp is always unoptimal

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i can't wait 'til we get a swamp trial with 2 bosses that spawn on opposite sides of the super tall wall

cyan stratus
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you can just clip through the wall

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you can clip through pretty much everything on siren's call and swamp, they're both horribly broken

slim lintel
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I can't believe we're in huntress meta

cyan stratus
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we're not, it's just for glass trials

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glass trials creates weird stuff like mult meta

slim lintel
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it seems like trials are more likely to have glass than not have it

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if it wasnt for the s1 clip and the random equip rex would still be faster this trial

white frost
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Is really over half of trials glass? That hasn't been my experience

cyan stratus
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no

cyan stratus
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was fun running this trial

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maybe next one is interesting

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artifact of kin and both stages are beetles, another braindead trial for ethereal

jaunty olive
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How does the leaderboard look currently?

cyan stratus
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loader wins this trial though

jaunty olive
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Cabbage playing loader again 😮

cyan stratus
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never said i was gonna play loader

jaunty olive
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Any huntress' beat your TAS time?

cyan stratus
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of course but there's no way to see which ones were legit

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top time was something like 48 seconds which is completely impossible with our strategy

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i have no idea why anyone would need this but here it is

wanton wind
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cool thanks i guess

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that has to be the easyiest trial ever

slim lintel
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lmao what a joke trial

cyan stratus
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idk i didn't laugh

solemn fiber
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@indigo snow

slim lintel
cyan stratus
slim lintel
cyan stratus
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stop

solemn fiber
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good trial for ethereal?

slim lintel
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yeah is this trial good for ethereal

solemn fiber
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cool i wont do it again

slim lintel
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as much as I hate OSP I kinda wish glass artifact had it just so we could crystal jump still

cyan stratus
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obliterating on monsoon with all artifacts would have taken me 1 attempt instead of 1000+

slim lintel
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not gonna run this one not fun

cyan stratus
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i routed it for 30 minutes at least beat my time

plucky wadi
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cabbage, can u show, or say how u did ur run? since ive run it a few times and im still 21 seconds behind u and dont get how to run it that much faster, you must do another route than i am doing completly. Im sorry if this is dissrespect in any way, asking for how you do it, ive just started doing the prismatic trials (last one and this, last i was top 50, now im at place 5 but dont get how to make it that much faster, like yours). ((Also doing huntress))

slim lintel
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dude holy shit that's offensive and disrespectful

plucky wadi
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okay, then im sorry.

delicate grove
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no need for the sarcastic comment they are just asking a question

slim lintel
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Wait we don't do sarcasm here anymore?

delicate grove
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as a response to their question to cabbage it isnt needed and just makes you sound like a dick

slim lintel
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Well I am a dick so starX

plucky wadi
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Wig, a question to u, u see ur place 3, with LOADER, i personally love loader but idk how to use loader in prismatic trials with glass, how do u fast and effecently destroy the crystals without dying yourself?

delicate grove
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loader's alt grapple ability can kill the crystals

plucky wadi
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not in one shot tho? takes 2 hits? or do u take the crowbar under spawn point?

delicate grove
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it takes two hits

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but if you stand far enough away from the crystal when you grapple then you dont get cooldown on the grapple

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theres a few videos in this channel where i do it

plucky wadi
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thanks for telling me that you could stand far away, but do you think its a bug wig, and it will be patched?

slim lintel
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lmao imagine hopoo patching things

delicate grove
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it seems like a bug, i dont see it being intentional

cyan stratus
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for huntress i think i have 1:07 or so

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it can be faster but it's mostly capped by how fast vase charges

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thought i recorded it but apparently i didn't

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just use recycler once to get vase, use vase on s2 to get to teleporter

plucky wadi
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cabbage but i need to destroy 3 crystals? 1 is in the beginning, 2nd is close to the bridge and 3rd is next to the boss?

cyan stratus
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doesn't matter how slow you are, you're still waiting for vase to charge, just ballista the crystals

plucky wadi
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oh i kinda get it now, thx man, much appreciated for u helping me. i just got 1:17 ^^

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just got to do it better now

white frost
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oh right new trial

dreamy needle
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its kind of good i guess
i got the mercenary achievement
literally the 2 stages have beetles as the only enemy i think

rare badger
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I’m really glad the move is getting buffed

white frost
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ohh, spider mines do target crystlas

rare badger
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I mean, it’s cool and all but I think it should be a lot more powerful for how hard it was to get

cyan stratus
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it's not like it's hard to get. if you're stubborn and want to get it on a really bad seed it might take you 10+ hours but on some seeds it's literally free

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so if it was some extremely broken op skill that wouldn't make any sense either

white frost
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Consoles are another story

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But this one looks alright actually. The stage 2 boss is just overloading beetle guards

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I have to practice routes a bit, but I think console Cabbage will have another video on this one

rare badger
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Yay

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I’m just happy that I got it and never have to deal with it again

white frost
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Meanwhile I'm struggling with commando 20

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I'm refusing to use command, otherwise I'd have it already, that's how I did it on pc

rare badger
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I don’t really want it to be super op but preferably make it one of those moves that is a better alternative

white frost
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I'm allowing myself all the other artifacts, so I think I'm going to use metamorphosis and clear it as literally anyone else

rare badger
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Not game breaking but still better

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The commando 20 is still my longest run too date

white frost
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I kinda prefer it cause I'm crappy at playing merc. Instead of thinking about cooldowns and I-frames I just throw out a bit of crowd damage and get back to doing uppercut

rare badger
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I went past the twenty mark for a total of 3 hours

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29 stages

white frost
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The commando thing annoys me because he's just the worst

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I tried all week and can't clear loop 2

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Theb I switched to engineer with carbonizer turrets and I just shrug it off

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Why is it specifically commando who has to do this

waxen torrent
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because idk
just use mods to empower yourself

white frost
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No, no cheats

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I'm doing it without drizzle and without command

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Also how to mod on switch

rare badger
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Surprisingly enough, that 20 challenge was what made me love commando

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It was like I was forced to get along with him

white frost
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It made me hate him

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I liked him before, but then I had to do that crap, and I got so sour I quit playing

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Didn't come back until last month, and with artifacts I unlocked his good skills

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The shotgun and grenades are great! They made me like him again

rare badger
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Yes, shotgun and grenade are also what made me love him

white frost
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Cabbage, do you ever use rising thunder in your videos or do they always assume the player hasn't unlocked anything?

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Two turrets close to the boss this time as well!

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K, I have a route.

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I'm pretty sure this one is way easier than the previous actually. There's no elder lemurian

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And there's just this constant beetle spam, you're almost guaranteed more items

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Boss turned into blazing imp overlord, still a pushover

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I'll start recording attempts after dinner

cyan stratus
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no i prefer normal m2 anyways

vague creek
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rising thunder isn't that great tbh

cyan stratus
white frost
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I was wrong. This one is a lot harder

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I found a little trick on s2, but it's not as big of a trick as the other one

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Right at the teleporter there's an incinerator drone

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If you buy it and hide behind the wall thing, the drone will just kill all the beetles, and they're super respectful and will never walk around the wall to attack you

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The catch is that the event is absolutely flooded with wisps

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The drone works best if you can stand still, but you kinda can't

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If you stand still all the beetles will gather in one place and the drone can just kill them all in a couple of bursts

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Honestly, the mission almost feels designed. The drone's flame procs works well to keep the shield down on overloading beetles

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Another catch is that now you have to not buy any drones on s1. I'd you do the enemies will just spread all over the place

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This means fighting the stage 1 boss with no drones, and it's full of bells, Vultures, and even an leder lemurian

tough belfry
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i can't see how to get 1:04.92

slim lintel
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its easy you just destroy 6 crystals across 2 stages and complete 2 boss battles in under 1:04.93

tough belfry
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thanks for the help, figured it out

slim lintel
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ok actually ur right idk how he's saving that much time

tough belfry
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i'm assuming ballista ukelele proc

slim lintel
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oh so this is a 200% icky doodoo trial

slim lintel
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yeah its 100% uke proc

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vase + glaive is a really cool interaction though

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are uke procs not created equal

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I swear its only jumping to 1 other beatle sometimes

white frost
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How close are the beetles when it's not jumping?

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Also keep in mind how jank the collision detection is in this game

slim lintel
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alright cabbage wins this one I aint farming that

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idk how he always gets so lucky so fast on these trials

white frost
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Just go faster

slim lintel
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this trial is hard gated by vase 99% of it is getting a good uke proc s2

fervent stag
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are you using same route?

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You guys managed to improve it last trial too so maybe now also

slim lintel
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Not really a lot that can be optimized on this one due to the vase gate, and then its a proc based end with just means you're going to spend like 55 seconds just to not get a proc, last trial was fun to optimize because there was no rng and theres was lots of room for improvement with the movement

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well, there was kinda clip rng but the worst one was at the start so it wasnt that bad

white frost
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I don't suppose there's any other survivors that would not have the gate

slim lintel
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probably not due to the random equipment artifact

vestal inlet
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Commando can get a lower time than Huntress, but it's all luck

slim lintel
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actually loader is probably top tier for this one

white frost
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Loader was what I was thinking too, but what's this about commando

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There's a lot level to traverse on s2 especially

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If a survivor got lunar tonic they could kinda just sprint across

slim lintel
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commando starts out with vase

white frost
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Oh I see

slim lintel
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which means if you are able to kill stuff really fast he's probably technically faster than huntrass

vestal inlet
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S2 is shoot 1st crystal through floor, vase to the trees from start, shoot crystal from top, break last crystal for free, then get this fight:

white frost
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Ah, and that was ukulele proc huh

slim lintel
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I think I got something silly brewing with loader

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but its super RNG and the flaming beatle has to destroy the cave crystal

white frost
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15% chance is a lot better than the crit preon grind trials used to have tbh

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There's two equip barrels on s1. Could those he used to shorten the vase wait for Huntress?

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The contain radar and uh

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Can't recall the other.

cyan stratus
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that's a pretty quick kill but why aren't you standing on top of the teleporter

slim lintel
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if I could figure out a good S1 and didnt suck at loader I really think grabbing the blue meteor s2 could get a sub 1min this trial

vestal inlet
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That was an early run I was still figuring out

white frost
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Huh. You could just get all the crystals by calling meteor couldn't you

slim lintel
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yeap, and if you're super lucky it could kill beatles

vestal inlet
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You can get all 3 crystals without wasting any time using glass vase, meteor is useless

slim lintel
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as loader?

vestal inlet
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oh, I thought you were referring to commando

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he gets meteor after glass vase

slim lintel
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oh huh, didn't know the artifact could give you lunars guess that makes sense though

white frost
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It can give you all the lunar equips except the whatever doll

slim lintel
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weird, why is the doll excluded?

white frost
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Cause you drop it on use is my guess. Similar reason to crowd funder

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If you find the doll in the wild you can use it to generate infinite equips

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Just pick it up, use it, get rolled a new item, pick it up again

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There's a strat for getting irradiant pearl that involves farming other lunar equips using that method

vestal inlet
waxen torrent
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fucking wild
@cyan stratus @delicate grove @slim lintel slowder

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or slowtress

delicate grove
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very nice

cyan stratus
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that time is impossible with huntress i think so gg

vestal inlet
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Really dumb run, never doing that again.

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not even optimal yet

waxen torrent
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fastest possible time with commando
AND with frags

rare badger
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See

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Frags good

fervent stag
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Ngl that was a nice run

vestal inlet
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sub 1 is definitely possible, but everything about this is inconsistent and/or luck based

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pressing q on the trees doesn't even work half the time

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the other 80% you go straight into a tree

rare badger
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Very nice

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Good use of the vase

delicate grove
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i tp out of st1 at 33 with loader, it really shows how good vase it

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i dont think there is a way for loader to get to the tp in one punch

rare badger
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I don’t think vase is the best equipment but it is one of my favorites

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It’s just more cool than anything and can be pretty fun

delicate grove
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its very good for glass trials

white frost
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Ahaha, that's amazing

rare badger
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I can see how

white frost
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Commando on the top is exactly the kind of reality bending I hoped artifacts would bring

delicate grove
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yeah its nice to see the lower used chars get good times

rare badger
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I love commando

white frost
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At this point I think merc and engineer are the only survivors who've never gotten top spot and probably never can

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For engineer to win a trial you'd have to like

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Start a stage on top of the cliff in Rallypoint, so that only he can throw mines exactly over the cliff to hit crystals down there, but also you start standing on the teleporter

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Or another victory by eccentric vase I guess

rare badger
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I think it’s just a paradox that engi can’t really do anything faster than anyone else because of his not having a mobility skill

vestal inlet
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Engi can heal faster than anyone else 🙃

slim lintel
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I think merc has gotten a top time once idk can't remember

white frost
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It's not about the mobility skills, it's that he has no long range attacks

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Missiles can't lock onto crystals and where does that leave you sniping far off crystals?

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It leaves you waddling your engineer ass over to each of them

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Arti got plenty of top ranks even before she had a jetpack

slim lintel
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jetpack ended up not really mattering in the grand scheme of things, also that happened when rex was added to the game and she became completely irrelevant anyways

cyan stratus
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i'm not leaking strats, someone try to beat me

tough belfry
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i don't remember merc ever being better than rex

slim lintel
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I think it was pre-rex

cyan stratus
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no, just a theoretical double slam trial but never happened in practice

tough belfry
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slam was added with rex

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or at least was only found/used then

cyan stratus
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it's been a thing since forever

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unless i'm misremembering

tough belfry
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i only saw it happen after the update

fierce ginkgo
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anyone here have a good strat to beat prismatic-trials with merc 100% health?

solemn fiber
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pins

cyan stratus
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he's on console otherwise he wouldn't be asking

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i think @white frost has a guide for this one

rare badger
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Did he make one for the new trial

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I think he said he would try but I don’t know if he’s done it yet

white frost
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I haven't made one for the new trial. It's tough but I think I know what to do

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Let me get on it

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Can you confirm you're on console, Coveiro?

fierce ginkgo
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Yes

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I indeed am on console

white frost
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Kay I have a video where I took one hit cause I was dumb

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I'll try again but keeping this one in case I can't be bothered

fierce ginkgo
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No problem mate

white frost
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Stage 2 has 3 missiles drones and a turret, you buy all of those

fierce ginkgo
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The thing is

white frost
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Stage 1 I mean

fierce ginkgo
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Drones are not very recomended i would say

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Since friendly fire is on

white frost
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I'd say they are!

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Yes, sometimes they take a shot at you

fierce ginkgo
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They damaged me multiple times ;-;

white frost
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Only seen it happen with turrets. Drones only hit if you're at the enemy, which you don't need to be. Let the drones handle it

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Trust me, it's a lot easier with the drones

fierce ginkgo
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Rifle drone are nota problem

white frost
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Let me try for a 0 run

fierce ginkgo
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The real deal is rocket drones

white frost
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Those are also the strong drones you need, is the paradox

fierce ginkgo
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Indeed

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Its a very though decision

white frost
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Well, this one I took 0 damage but I got hit twice instead of once (got a couple of teddies)

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I'll upload it. Just be less dumb around flame drone thab I was

fierce ginkgo
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I DID IT!!!

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Finally, it tool me a hell of a long time to get this reward

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I feel extreme happiness :D

white frost
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I'll mention I'm doing basically the same I was yesterday but today I did it first try

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Good job! Did you end you using drones?

fierce ginkgo
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To me honest, i have opted to not use any drones to see if it was really necessary

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In the end you do really NEED them but they sure help a lot

white frost
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They're needed because sacrifice means you nearly can't get items

fierce ginkgo
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That was something that i noticed, however it did not ended up being a problem to me

white frost
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So your options kinda boil down to "be a perfect merc player" or "buy drones"

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and I'm the crappiest merc player in the world so

fierce ginkgo
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I actualy got a lot of itens...

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I'm not quite sure if it was pure luck

white frost
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farming is risky

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oh which boss did you get on stage 2 btw

fierce ginkgo
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But in Stage one i farmed

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I got a FLAMING IMP OVERLORD

white frost
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yeah, that's the issue

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if you get there before 5-6 minutes it's just overloading beetle guards

fierce ginkgo
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Thankfully he couldn't reach me

white frost
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that fence is a godsend

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I used it for the beetles too

fierce ginkgo
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Indeed

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Ohh yeah something that pratically caried me was Topaz broches

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(Sorry if the name of the item is wrong, i am used to the brazilian name of the item)

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Those things saved my ass multiple times

white frost
fierce ginkgo
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Mate this was cool

cyan stratus
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can someone beat my rex time, it's very suboptimal

slim lintel
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imagine playing beetle rng tiral

cyan stratus
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no rng here

white frost
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Thanks!

delicate grove
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i managed to get knocked back by a crystal as rex and not die

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so im guessing the strat is either that or some weird thing involving the 2nd boss on st 1

slim lintel
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is there an elite easily accessible s2? the drop from alloy is brainstalks, but the egg layout I don't see being very fast

winged lark
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Thanks lads just got merc’s ability

delicate grove
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overloading beetles should spawn next to you on stage 2

slim lintel
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starX idk if brainstalks puff is even good dont feel like testing

delicate grove
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id rather just see a video tbh

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most people here dont play rex

slim lintel
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I played a lot of rex but he's so slow and boring now that they nerfed his alt utility

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dont get me wrong it needed nerfed but it was the only thing that made him not completely mind numbing

white frost
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@indigo snow see above for this round's console Cabbage

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I'm bummed I missed out on that alt utility. Was it as broken as it sounds?

slim lintel
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absolutely

cyan stratus
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i will not post my rex run

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i want someone else to beat my time first

delicate grove
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well brainstalks works to get rex to the tp

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so ill leave it at that

rare badger
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Yay, more zeddy brand cabbage

cyan stratus
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ok nobody is beating my time and i want to show the strat i worked so hard on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epfLOjTN8SY&feature=youtu.be

randomly thought of a stupid strat like this and it ended up being faster than my huntress time. this trial has a pretty wide variety of viable characters. the commando, huntress below me on the leaderboard are legit.

i didn't record my 1:​04 run as huntress but the commando ...

▶ Play video
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bunch of leeches

slim lintel
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idk why you're saying leech when I literally said its probably brainstalks

rare badger
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Holy crap that is beautiful

cyan stratus
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because that egg route took me 15min to find

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it was originally 10x harder until i found a different egg

solemn fiber
silver sedge
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Is there a Cabbage in this channel?

elfin plinth
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there's a @cyan stratus in this channel

silver sedge
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I need help from Cabbage

violet osprey
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he made this video

silver sedge
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Thanks

violet osprey
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@silver sedge keep in mind that ethereal is the single hardest challenge in the game, so expect a lot of failures and don't give up!

silver sedge
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Yeah I can understand that

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What I can't understand is how cabbage made it so that in his run only beetles would spawn, and how his health is at 14

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I also don't understand why there isn't a quick restart option

elfin plinth
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console?

silver sedge
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Yes

elfin plinth
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that explains it

slim lintel
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there's no quick restart because hopoo hates us, also consoles have different seeds from PC

silver sedge
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From my experience, no matter what levels I play, it's locked on the same difficulty and locked on the same artifacts and modifiers

elfin plinth
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known bug

silver sedge
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That's a bug?

elfin plinth
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artifacts locked are bugs,diffuculty and modifiers are intended

silver sedge
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Yeah, imma wait till it gets fixed

white frost
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I've got a video in pinned where I do it on switch with drones. Not too hard to replicate

white frost
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Hahah, I knew alloy worship skip would be relevant one of these trials

indigo snow
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@silver sedge ^ there is an off-brand Cabbage for console ethereal runs around, which you'll also see in pins when he chooses to do it

slim lintel
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Cabby

indigo snow
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Kimchi

waxen torrent
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saurkraut

solemn shell
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so im pretty new to the prismatic trials, any tips to get a faster time?

tough belfry
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what character

solemn shell
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i used huntress the most on this one

tough belfry
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what's your best time?

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on this trial

solemn shell
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2:24

tough belfry
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okay yeah you can improve that loads

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this trial has glass so you pretty much want to go straight to teleporters

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on this specific trial you start with a recycler as equipment and get eccentric vase when you use it

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so it's best to use the recycler as early as possible so that you have vase for stage 2 where the tele is far away from where you spawn

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3x dash is better than default dash on every trial, ballista is usually better than arrow rain

solemn shell
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thanks

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I'll keep that in mind

cyan stratus
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1:04 is pretty easy as huntress this trial but you can't go much lower because vase caps it

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play rex instead

lapis igloo
rare badger
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That’s a lot of huntress

waxen torrent
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THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE-

white frost
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That exact distance for loader, is it the very edge of the gauntlet reach?

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Cause that's pretty hella precise, I can't pull it off

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Okay i can pull it off now

delicate grove
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it helps to find some recognisable stuff nearby to help you position

white frost
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Yeah, I came to realize

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What was your time? If I can get twice your time I'll feel happy with it

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Oh I have less than twice your time. I'll be happy with sub 2 then

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Do you use the drone strike? It keeps extending the teleporter

white frost
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Ohh 1:42

delicate grove
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huh

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arent you on console? or do you play both

white frost
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I have both, this is pc

delicate grove
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1:09 is my time with loader i think

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no drone strike just pylon

white frost
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Hm

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I use the drone stike, call it pretty early before hitting crystals they'll poof through the wave

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I've got 1:35, I think I can get sub 1:30 but that's about my capacity

delicate grove
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probably differences in crystal route on first stage

white frost
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I guess. I'm just doing the obvious thing

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Top of ship, then the two in order. I don't wanna grind for the fire beetle randomly killing a crystal or whatever the heck happens sometimes

cyan stratus
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play rex

white frost
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1:32, would have been 1:30 if I had thrown my tesla earlier

delicate grove
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the best order to do the crystals i have found is to swing straight to the cave crystal first

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then use a grapple reset on the one next to the teleporter

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and then kill the cave one with the grapple aswell while charging punch to get to the teleporter

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then you can use a normal attack + grapple again on the last crystal next to the teleporter and you can do that in 16 seconds

white frost
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huh

cyan stratus
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june 26

white frost
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you can see me fiddle with aiming because gamepad, but rest assured my aim sucks with a mouse too

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oh, right

cyan stratus
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the issue was with june

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idk why you edited it to june 27

white frost
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'cause I'm dumb

cyan stratus
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it's july

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at least where i live

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also why aren't you using default punch

white frost
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I did a bunch of attempts after that one and one time I got a sub 30 pause, but somehow I just lost it all every time in stage 2 anyway

solemn fiber
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at least where i live
cabbage

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cabbage

white frost
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cause default punch is useless

cyan stratus
#

...

white frost
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new punch I can punch a beetle and every beetle behind it dies

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default punch just punches in a line

solemn fiber
#

you're wrong about its uselessness

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charge punch goes farther and has more momentum

white frost
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well I don't like it cause it makes me hold the button

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is it

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I guess that makes sense

cyan stratus
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@delicate grove

white frost
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didn't wig user thunder punch in the previous trial

rare badger
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I prefer default punch but I can see the appeal of thunder punch

white frost
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I'd rather have ukulele than phase round is all

rare badger
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Don’t you dare compare rocket punch to phase round

white frost
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What's the number 1 complaint people have on phase round?

rare badger
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It don’t do enough damage

white frost
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It's "Boo hoo enemies never line up"

rare badger
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Yes but rocket punch

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The one shot the boss punch

white frost
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Yeah but rocket thunder punch!

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One shot the boss and also everything behind it

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I could see it being better in a trial, but this one is two beetle hordes

rare badger
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Like I said, I get thunder punch but it’s much more satisfying for me to plow through a group of everything in the late game

cyan stratus
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have you ever done speedruns of base game with thunder punch

white frost
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can't say I have

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the speedrun challenge unlocks the thunder punch doesn't it?

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kinda stopped there

cyan stratus
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you play loader for mobility, thunder punch removes all that

white frost
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oh I wouldn't worry about it, I don't need thunder punch to be slow

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my loader runs consist of an embarrasing amount of running on the ground

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and crashing into trees

tough belfry
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alt punch makes you stop moving when you hit something then you die

silent birch
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^ main reason I use default
also they might not "line up" but its easy to get multiple enemies with default, esp. when it has a wider radius than phase rounds
thunder punch is fun with afterburners/brainstalks tho

zinc urchin
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Alt- Punch is a viable option for prismatics due to its insant chargeup

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as well as Glass-loader runs where ambers arnt easily accessable

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however base is more useful in 90% of prismatics

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(If we're talking Normal game however, Alt-punch will bounce you back up into the air if you hit something while airborne, supporting high-paced aerial-focused playstyle, touching the floor as little as possible to stay alive)

delicate grove
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Alt punch just way more situational, ive never used it in a trial

zinc urchin
#

I swear i've seen you use it b4

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may just be misremembering

cyan stratus
#

i'm disappointed by the lack of competition on this trial compared to the last one

slim lintel
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its almost like this trial is bad

gloomy knoll
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people that want to do merc achi, you ahve no excuse not to do it on this one

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literally fighting beetles

cyan sand
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just got leaderboard position 95 for this trial. are most top 100's playing huntress?

coarse lotus
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Either Huntress, REX, or Loader

rare badger
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Maybe an occasional Merc but those are the main ones

cyan sand
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is teleporter delay always the same?

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my record is 1:30.54 for 73rd rank

cyan stratus
#

no

cyan sand
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thats annoying lol

white frost
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It's trial o'clock!

delicate grove
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there is a lunar pool on stage 1 if anyone needs the irradiant pearl

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although not sure if there are lunars

white frost
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no shit. enigma too?

delicate grove
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im talking pc

white frost
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yeah, it's on PC I need a pearl

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I don't have to ask to know which artifacts are enabled on console

rare badger
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Yep

delicate grove
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no lunar pods as far as i can tell

rare badger
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Those aren’t changing anytime soon

white frost
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kin, swarms, and spite

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this one might be more fun on console

rare badger
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Yep

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That doesn’t sound fun

white frost
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oh good, a turret looking right at the teleporter

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I was worried I was gonna have to get good with merc for a second

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and a second one if the boss happens to be vagrant

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double mountain shrine if you're missing that challenge

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oh I can chase crabs here!

rare badger
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Wait, crab chase?

white frost
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yeah, second stage is titanic plains

rare badger
#

I need that achievement

white frost
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since it's second stage it has crabs

rare badger
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Neat

white frost
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there's at least two, might spawn more, just keep in mind they spawn slowly

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might be worth to just chase them and restart

rare badger
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Wait, console or PC?

white frost
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first boss is beetle queen it's a really easy stage

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console, I'm practicing for knockoff cabbage

rare badger
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Yes!

white frost
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I can definitely hear a third crab

rare badger
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I’ll have to get on later, I haven’t gotten that achievement yet

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Also it’ll be a nice break of pace from the ethereal challenge

white frost
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there'sa minimum of four crabs so you can get it in 5 runs at most

rare badger
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Nice

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I’m fine with that, at least I’ll be quoting of my own volition instead of being forced too

white frost
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I think I just heard beetles

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so chase 3 crabs and quit

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yes! this challenge shrine summons crabs

rare badger
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Alright imma have to get on in a minute

white frost
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they spawn at the cliffside I can't make this up

rare badger
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This is too good to pass up

white frost
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alright so that's 5 crabs in a run

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maybe if you arrive faster it will be more crabs, because right now it's two glacial crabs

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actually

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the crabs are killing everything for me, maybe I can use this for etheral

rare badger
#

Perhaps

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I just need to chase them off cliff

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What do you unlock for doing that again?

white frost
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only the strongest item in the game

elfin plinth
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gesture

white frost
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gesture of the drowned, half cooldown on equipment

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2 more crabs, that makes 7 this run

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8

rare badger
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Hmmm

white frost
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and another two, so 10

rare badger
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That’s why I haven’t seen it in a run

white frost
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the golems are straight up killing the crabs 'cause they're mad

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both bosses seem to be beetle queen, but not sure if they'll remain that in a faster run

rare badger
#

Hmmm

white frost
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right so no drones and the bosses are never targeted by turrets

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it is a blazing beetle queen, it's not all that easy to take no hits

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right, 2-3 crabs left, I'll just unlock the challenge

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there aren't any crabs now because I was faster

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the challenge shrine just had wisps, you may have to waste around 10 minutes on stage 1

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this is A LOT of wisps

gusty mist
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hi, is it safe to assume the people with 1 minute times on huntress are cheaters?

cyan stratus
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for this trial yes

gusty mist
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thanks

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i only just learned about trials recently, i might try to compete

waxen torrent
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if you can beat Cabbage, Wig, or Iforgotwho, @gusty mist , consider yourself among the best

gusty mist
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dont count on me

white frost
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that somehow looks easier than a glass trial

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I get a blazing queen surrounded by wisps, and while it's reasonably easy I kinda have to wail on her for long enough that there's just too much room for error

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even if I manage it I doubt it'll help anyone

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I'm gonna see how long I have to farm to get equipment

solemn fiber
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@indigo snow

white frost
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I left the queen and she eventually just died on her own

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so that's interesting

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I think she gets bored and walks off the cliff

gusty mist
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i dabbled for an hour or so

cyan stratus
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read that wrong and got worried

gusty mist
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lmao

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this trial is wack

hollow pawn
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How. The hell. Did you get a 37

cyan stratus
hollow pawn
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If they think a 37 is reasonable I dont think they played the trial.

rare badger
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That’s because they probably didn’t

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I don’t know how the devs are gonna do the work around when you can actually win stuff

delicate grove
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they could do a reward for top 50 or something

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then the cheaters wouldnt really matter, there is only a few of them per trial

cyan stratus
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when trials were popular, 1st place legit was about place 400

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only like at the very start of game release though

delicate grove
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i guess the problem with doing that would be it encouraging more people to cheat for the reward

rare badger
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I really want whatever the prize is gonna be but I’m garbage at these things

cyan stratus
rare badger
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Wow

white frost
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I have discovered the world's dumbest strat

cyan stratus
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doubt

white frost
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you hide out of bounds until beetle queen walks under you, takes a good 5 minutes

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while you're OOB the director doesn't spawn anything

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jump down it'll spawn a bunch of other beetle queens instead of wisps

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now leave, the beetle queens will simply kill eachother

cyan stratus
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yeah if you find oob inside tp zone you can hide until 99, then game won't spawn anything even if you go in bounds

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which is good if you just want to 1v1 the boss

white frost
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no such luck this time, unfortunately

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so I just hid on the giant pillar things

cyan stratus
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it's how i dealt with the 2nd boss on trial 5/29

white frost
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I was trying to get the queen to walk herself off the cliff, but she didn't want to. I think it's what happened last time

solemn fiber
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🎸

rare badger
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What do you guys think will even be a prize, I feel like it will just be a special skin or something

cyan stratus
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vac ban

white frost
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yeah I don't think they'll ever put that prize in

rare badger
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Probably not

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If it doesn’t happen at 1.0 I don’t see it happening ever

solemn fiber
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if they put a prize they'd need to implement anticheat

delicate grove
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if there is one itll probably be a one time thing

white frost
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I got her to waddle her big beetle butt out the cliff, and I think I know how to do it consistently

dawn gazelle
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It would be nice to see a replay of the runs from the leaderboard, then we could report a run I guess to get it removed if its not legit

delicate grove
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i wonder if it would work to record the inputs of the player and send them to a server somewhere to be simulated

cyan stratus
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with enemy spawn rng, crit rng etc

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that would not work

delicate grove
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no just killing crystals really

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could be able to check stage 1 atleast with that

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could do it stage 2 aswell with crystals tbh

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i think there is also only a 1 - 3 boss spawn variants usually too

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what is the main way people cheat, by giving themselves items?

cyan stratus
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i would do it with mods but idk how others do it

delicate grove
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yeah some of the crazier times that i used to see like negative times i feel were messing with memory or something

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idk enough about it though

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I think mods disable prismatic trials from what ive heard

cyan stratus
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i downloaded the debug mod and it took me less than a minute to delete the prismatic trial restriction

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if people care enough to hack a time in they'll find a way

lost dirge
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Cheat engine. It knows how to deal with IL and finding a time value is super-easy.

delicate grove
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IL?

lost dirge
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Intermediate language. Technical stuff, but you're changing a unity game for whatever reason, then you need to know how to deal with it.

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But one could hotswap the routine responsible for keeping track of time to always return 0 if they wanted, instead of the actual time.

delicate grove
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i guess a solution would be to make prismatic trials timers serverside?

lost dirge
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Something like that, yea.

white frost
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That would make them awful to play

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I vastly prefer seeing some fake times on the leaderboard

lost dirge
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Doesn't have to be purely multiplayer, just something that reports when you start and when you finish.

rare badger
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I wish I was better at doing these things but they look very hard and take a lot of time

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Plus controller seems like a bad play here

white frost
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I once got within a few seconds of Cabbage on my controller, took a lot of tries though

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Motion controls actually have an edge over mice when it comes to speed and precision, the problem is you can't exactly do 180s with them

rare badger
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Hey zeddy, can you help remind me tomorrow to do the prismatic trial for the crabs

delicate grove
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i prefer playing merc with controller

rare badger
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I don’t have time tonight and my memory is awful

white frost
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Sure, how long from now?

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I'm about to head to sleep. Console Cabbage will have to wait until tomorrow

rare badger
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Probably like, 12 hours from now

white frost
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Around lunch, I'll try to recall

lost dirge
#

Controllers get the benefit of aim assist though.

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You can't really have that in a PC game, since it's stupid easy to spoof a mouse as a controller to get aim assist on it.

rare badger
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True

lost dirge
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Overwatch had that problem, so they cut aim assist from the PC version entirely.

slim lintel
#

the first or second trial was stupid fast on mult because of a equipment bug

cyan stratus
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aim assist in a pc game ?

slim lintel
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its more likely than you may think

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damn I forgot how the timer used to keep on going for so long lol

white frost
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I give up on console cabbage for this trial

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I'm sure I can do it if I go at it, it's pretty straightforward

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there's a drone, you buy it, get some brooches and pick ukulele if you only get one green, then you just git gud at fighting beetle queens surrounded by wisps

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there really isn't anything to demonstrate in video format, you're either good enough to pull it off or a video won't help you

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beetle queen is actually pretty resistant to drone/turret cheese, as an aside. It's because she constantly spawns her little debuff things

indigo snow
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debuff her back

white frost
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I'm going for the strat where I just wait for her to walk off the map

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I did it once with 36 damage, mostly from getting nicked by my own drone

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it takes about 15 minutes, probably noone will copy it

cyan stratus
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isn't chaos enabled? just go under beetle queen and make it spit itself and it just dies

rare badger
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Yep

white frost
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that works but I don't know how to pull it off

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any pro-gamer tips other than "be great at timing"?

cyan stratus
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look at the visual cue then use iframes

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it's blazing, not overloading so you can actually tank

white frost
#

I don't know how to make this work at all

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she fires at completely random angles or lesser wisps that happened to hit her earlier

white frost
#

not getting her to fall off this time

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I'm wondering if my turrets are doing it

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just having enough knockback to push her off

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and I didn't buy them this time 'cause I got sick of the turrets taking potshots at me

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anyways this sucks and I'm skipping it

#

too many wisps

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good trial for crabs, speaking of which

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@rare badger did you chase crabs yet

rare badger
#

Oh no

#

Thanks for reminding me

slim lintel
#

🦀 trial

white frost
#

what if trial rules could apply to the main game?

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instant teleporter charge, but you have to break crystals

rare badger
#

That would be an interesting artifact, not sure if it should be an official change though

tough belfry
#

that would make the game easier

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which is not what it needs

white frost
#

I was thinking artifact too

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I don't really like the "waste 40 seconds as a way to inflate difficulty" school of game design

tough belfry
#

crystals giving money?

white frost
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I also don't like the "give the player nothing to do for the first 2 minutes of the game" as a school of game design

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I wanna say crystal money doesn't scale, it's just a flat amount regardless of what chests cost

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So it's make the beginning of the game snappier. There's a reason I prefer trials

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And it's not because I'm any good at trials

tough belfry
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just making the game easier again D:

gusty mist
#

he's talking about an artifact idea. why is it a bad idea if it makes the game easier?

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also i have no idea whos legit or not on these leaderboards

tough belfry
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if they're fast and legit they probably posted it here

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i don't think there's much for the player to do at any point in the game

gusty mist
#

theres only one post made by cabbage

delicate grove
#

i would love an artifact that allows instant teleporter charge when killing the boss

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one of the tooltips on new profiles even says 'difficulty is always increasing so play fast' or something along those lines

#

and if anything it makes the game harder since you will have less money to spend on items

tough belfry
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literally no difference other than no waiting for tele to charge

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that is not harder

#

you can just wait if you want more enemies to spawn

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and it would be the same

delicate grove
#

yeah im speaking in the case that you intend to kill the boss instantly every time

tough belfry
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and 6 free items first stage

delicate grove
#

but even then it is better because it gives you more control over the pace of the game

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why 6 free items?

tough belfry
#

5 crystals * 30 / 25

thin timber
#

Does Crystal Gold scale with time? Or is it static? (Haven't played that many trials)

tough belfry
#

though idk how many chests spawn

delicate grove
#

oh i dont want crystals to be a part of that

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just the insta charge part

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idk if it scales

cyan stratus
#

it's 30

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@delicate grove are you ever happy when you finish a 20s run or do you just kinda look back at all the things that went wrong and feel like you could've done better

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finishing runs usually makes me sad instead of happy

delicate grove
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i usually look as how many stages had bad tps etc

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but i think in my run there was only one bad stage on scorched acres if i remember

cyan stratus
#

scorched acres yeah

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idk i just had a "good" run but it doesn't feel good

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12s timeloss on 1 stage

delicate grove
#

sometimes you just gotta accept that youll never get a sub 25:09

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just like ive accepted ill never get sub 10:40

solemn fiber
#

sometimes you just gotta accept that youll never get a sub 24:01

cyan stratus
#

wtf do you mean i just got a sub 25

solemn fiber
#

just like ive accepted ill never get sub luigi

cyan stratus
#

but it would've been a 24:40

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and now it isn't

delicate grove
#

oh dear

cyan stratus
#

yeah you better start running now

delicate grove
#

luigi is real though

solemn fiber
#

subluigi

delicate grove
#

guess ill have to start running no sacrifice 20 stages

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see you in 5 years

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i might wait till 1.0 comes out though because i know that categories are being removed or changing

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maybe ill ask for 20 stages to be replaced with 21 stages

rare badger
#

I’ve only gotten a sub mario, I don’t really speed run much but I was happy with that run

cyan stratus
#

no sacrifice 20s??? but why

delicate grove
#

idk to get convergence stage 1

cyan stratus
#

you objectively lose time by not getting backup mags

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and you won't get past stage 10

delicate grove
#

is that a challenge

#

i bet i can easily get past stage 10

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with the right rng i could get a good time with 1 backup mag

wanton wind
#

woolie had to do a 20 stage run with no unlocks commando for the one run challange so it is possible

cyan stratus
#

there's a difference between a speedrun where the only items you get are from sacrifice and a casual run

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think of all the green items you get w/sacrifice, and 10 crit glasses for double damage etc., you absolutely need sacrifice for 20s run

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idk why you're even considering no-sacrifice 20s

#

you save what, like 22 seconds with lunar pod s1

wanton wind
#

yes i guess your right for speed anyways for just normal runs you don't need to go at the speed of light but your are a speedrunner it is what you do

delicate grove
#

yeah its a stupid idea

cyan stratus
#

glad you came to your senses

delicate grove
#

If i do a 1000 stages run will you try and beat it

#

Only takes 20 hours

cyan stratus
#

no because imp overlords just ends the run

#

i assume scavengers as well

white frost
#

Yesterday I got malachite brass contraptions trying to unlock grenades

#

That's okay, I didn't want fun anyway

slim lintel
#

why do you always start doing base game speedruns right before updates that are probably going to change the run entirely

cyan stratus
#

because i didn't have wr

silent birch
#

remind me why overlords end the runs, is it their teleports?

rare badger
#

I think it’s just them

cyan stratus
#

they teleport on top of you which does AOE damage and 1shots b/c glass artifact

#

with 0 counterplay if you want to stay inside the teleporter zone

silent birch
#

ah right, convergence

eternal void
#

what is the lunar item on stage 2 for today, im too cheap to buy it

rare badger
#

What do you mean?

#

They rotate every time you visit the shop

eternal void
#

rip

#

does anybody know what the rank1 time is for today so far

rare badger
#

Oh wait you were talking about prismatic trials

eternal void
#

yeah

rare badger
#

Hmmm, usually the top times are cheaters

eternal void
#

bruh moment

#

i will never ben number 1 unless the Newt Merchant bestows upon me the fabled no-clip Lunar Item

white frost
#

Did you get your crabs, zugbug

rare badger
#

I tried and it was harder than I thought, I haven’t gotten it yet because I was getting bad luck

#

I was only able to find one the first time and it didn’t want to cooperate

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Also I couldn’t find the challenge shrine with the crabs

#

I was gonna try again later today

white frost
#

It's not luck, spawns are deterministic

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But crabs are expensive so they won't appear until about 7 minutes in

#

The shrine is the one in the open, I'm not sure how long until it spawns crabs, but after about 10 mins it'll just keep being crabs

#

I found them my first run cause I spent a lot of time scouting stage 1 for drones

#

You can force the director to get credits by going out of bounds, like on top of the giant pillars

#

Just hang there for a couple of minutes and pop back down, should spawn crabs

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You can also hit the teleporter and they'll appear a lot during the fight

rare badger
#

Oh ok

white frost
#

I say "deterministic" because it's not quite "you'll always get the same enemies", but more "you'll always get the same enemies if you always do the same things at the same time"

#

On stage 1 it's very predictable. You always get two jelly fish spawning about 10 seconds in, and then a wisp, and two wisps + a bell are spawned in already when the stage starts

#

This never changes for a given trial. Stage 2 is more complicated because it depends how long you spent on stage 1, among other factors

#

I've still had a random elder lemurian spawn in during stage 1 and I have no idea what I did to cause it

slim lintel
#

and there was a trial early on that the 1st stage boss would change depending on your FPS cap

white frost
#

Was that the one that had hermit crabs

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I remember getting a blazing magma worm for like the 2nd trial cause I wasted a bunch of time

slim lintel
#

yeah crabs at >60 fps titan if <=60

white frost
#

I thought it was a specific time frame so you had to wait a couple of seconds

slim lintel
#

who knows spaghetti game

white frost
#

The way I recall it is that in that 2 second window the director had just spawned some big wave of enemies and was all out, so the boss director actually couldn't afford a boss

#

It's been solved by giving the boss director a minimum

cyan stratus
#

< 33.6 with 60 fps, < 34.6 without

#

wonder if anyone has a video of that trial

slim lintel
#

I think I do...

#

yep back when I was lazy and just streamed trials and clipped runs lol

#

god that was a bad run lol

#

wait it was the mr jumpy trial

#

huh must have never gotten a good run with getting all the way up to preon with mr jumpy

white frost
#

Huh. So enemy spawnrate is frame dependent?

slim lintel
#

at least back then it was

cyan stratus
#

what trial was that? 3? 4?

slim lintel
#

sure

cyan stratus
#

earliest trial i have recorded is 5 but i'm pretty sure i had a good time for that one idk why i don't have it

slim lintel
#

actually no I think its probably at least 4, I think the earliest one on my twitch is like 2-4 something like that

cyan stratus
#

1 and 2 were both equipment spam, 3 was the 10% crit trial and 4 was the crabs?

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could probably scroll all the way up in this channel to figure it out

slim lintel
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this is the earliest thing I have, this was the first trial I played

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I can't remember if mult could equip spam it or not

cyan stratus
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yeah crabs trial was #4, found it by searching the number "33.6"

slim lintel
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kinda wish I would have done date + trial number in my vids titles, though technically using the date you can figure out the trial #

thin timber
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The discussion channel is blowing up because of it 😛

rare badger
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^

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I’m trying to stay away, it’s scary

slim lintel
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oh apparently it was something about a ost release

rare badger
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It was about a vinyl track but the announcement got put up early I think

slim lintel
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idk why they deleted it

thin timber
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Was supposed to go out later

rare badger
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Yeah, they put it out early

shut widget
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How do the prismatic trials work??

white frost
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pick "prismatic trial" on the main menu

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it won't show up if you have mods installed

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trials aren't anything scary, you just do two stages on rainstorm and break some easily visible crystals before hitting TP

lofty flicker
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I feel like the awards for prismatic trial might just be a really good time to get the awards. I think this is the best way to prevent hackers from being the only ones to get the rewards. Maybe not though idk

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But like a really good time

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Removing the hacked records is possible but would require more work

indigo snow
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I can't wait for an unlock for Loader skin that requires you to be top 10 in any pris trial

sand light
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should there be leaderboards per character

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i'm sure that's been suggested before

white frost
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It has

gusty mist
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chest at very top of spawn has ceremonial daggers

delicate grove
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lunar pool on stage 2 aswell

cyan stratus
waxen torrent
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our hero

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@indigo snow

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since Vulf is muted I'm taking up the mantle

wanton wind
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any ways cool video i was wondering how much time the start took

cyan stratus
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3 minute

wanton wind
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let me ask in a diffrent way how much set up did this take how many tries to know what you needed or did you just run once know and do it

cyan stratus
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i ran around first until i found the ceremonial dagger and brooch printer, then i reset and did it first try since it's easy with dagger

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i always just do routing without caring about taking damage so i know where the items / crystals are

wanton wind
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ok i figured as much
man i found you right after i got the achivement you are really good to try and do almost all of theses i wish you luck

cyan stratus
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thank you

slim lintel
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lmao what'd vulf do

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oh wow thats kinda f'd up he got muted for that

waxen torrent
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oh could you link to the posts leading up to vulf getting muted for me so I can figure out why that happened
If this is allowed

slim lintel
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Basically he posted a video that criticized a country that isnt the US and that's not allowed

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apparently

echo badge
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lmao really, dagger and brooch printer trial

wanton wind
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i think the last one was something like glass and beetles it was stupid easy

cyan stratus
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this is as free as it gets for ethereal pretty much

wanton wind
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acually i think the last 3 have been really easy

white frost
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Let's see how terrible this is in consoles

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Has there been a sky meadow s2 so far that you've just skipped with artifact portal?

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Oh a brooch printer? That might still be on console

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No, they're all gone with command obv

cyan stratus
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yes

white frost
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Using hellfire in Ethereal is a flex if I've ever seen one

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This trial will be pretty good for unlocking the few artifacts I don't have yet I guess

white frost
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We get blazing mini mushrums

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They can just choose to duck underground and out heal my damage

swift field
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Yea mini mushrums suck

cyan stratus
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isn't there chaos artifact

white frost
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Yeah there is

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I don't know how to bait a mushrum without taking damage while being surrounded by wisps

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Hm, I got a red dropped during the boss fight. What would be the best item to get?

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I'm thinking daggers, but shattering justice seems like it could speed a boss fight up

cyan stratus
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dio

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in case you die

white frost
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Wait, the artifact boss healed

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Do they just really not want people to use trials to unlock artifacts or what is this

cyan stratus
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no, time just doesn't pause in trials

white frost
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And that makes artifact boss heal?

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Shame, this would've been preferable to mushrum

cyan stratus
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artifact room no-hit is actually pretty hard though

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took me a couple tries back when i didn't know it didn't actually do anything

solemn fiber
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I can post this now

swift field
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How many times have you posted this

solemn fiber
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59 times

swift field
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I’m impressed

solemn fiber
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59x3 = how many days

swift field
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177

white frost
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At least stage 2 is free

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You can just get squid polyp and buy the wood shrine

slim lintel
white frost
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Meathook

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That's the red

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I could proc a meathook and pull all the mushrum together

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Squid is honestly my favourite item, people can shove their tier list up their primordial cube

slim lintel
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desk plant is S+

white frost
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It's not entirely useless, but even I can't think of a worse red

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I would prefer a red whip

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What if red whip was a red item and gave 400% speed

slim lintel
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the game already gets too crazy with movement speed and can't handle it

cyan stratus
solemn fiber
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ha

cyan stratus
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actually huntress may be legit on this trial idk

solemn fiber
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why cheat and try to look like you arent

white frost
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My switch ran out of battery so I have to stop trying

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Blazing mushrum were not designed to be fought without items, you literally can't kill them

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I got two blazing mushrum and a two regular to all unload their wads on a single one and he just pops into the ground and outheals it

cyan stratus
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isn't there chaos artifact

white frost
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I can stun him to make him pop up but he just gets out again

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I got two blazing mushrum and a two regular to all unload their wads on a single one and he just pops into the ground and outheals it
@white frost

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They can't be killed without guillotines, and there's no guarantee you're getting those

cyan stratus
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idk chase them off the map

white frost
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Yeah that works, done that a couple of times

cyan stratus
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ok

white frost
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But it takes an agonizing amount of time during which I make mistakes, I'm pretty full of mistakes

cyan stratus
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if there's a bunch of wisps spawning that could be an issue, is there something like swarms enabled

white frost
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No swarms, but there is definitely a lot of wisps

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I found a little piece of terrain where you can wait it out, but of course that lets the mushrum level up while you remain as weak as always

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You've got less than 2 minutes to hit the teleporter before a parent spawns, and he doesn't have a single care for the terrain hit, he'll just smack you

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That gives you pretty limited time to obtain items

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And while you're waiting there the mushrum kinda spread out to all the corners of the earth, there's no getting to learn the fight

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In principle I really like Ethereal, it's the one challenge that actually asks you to do something interesting as opposed to "have random thing happen"

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But then every other trial has to be complete bullshit like this

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Pc is a different story. Every other trial is free there

cyan stratus
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wasn't like that before artifacts. you sometimes have to come up with creative strats but every trial is possible

indigo snow
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It's bc of the artifact bug that console trials have so much trouble rn

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See how much easier it gets when you actually have different trials to do

white frost
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Yeah, it is a pretty poor set of artifacts it landed on

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I'd prefer no artifacts because then I'd have items to play around with

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Alright, I think I have a strat

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Mushrum fight gets a lot easier if you do farm and just buy every drone on the stage

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You're much more likely to get your hand on two guillotines and a shattering justice that way too, and that'll let you just barely brute force them

white frost
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Stage 2 is some of the most fun trial I've had, on a positive note

solemn fiber
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Imagine one day it's all artifacts

indigo snow
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That'd be pretty sick

inland turtle
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engiheart its all engineer as of now

delicate grove
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has there ever been a trial with metamorphosis?

thin timber
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I think there was at the start, but then they quickly removed it from the rotation because it was weird

white frost
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yeah there were some metamorphosis trials

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people got mad they couldn't even attempt ethereal

toxic siren
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how do i know if i begin to run against windmills? i mean i am pretty sure that all non-engineer times above me are hacked/cheated, but how can i be sure if that one freakin' engineer with 13 second lead wasn't just really good? drizzle_hmm

white frost
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he could just have a lot of crits

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what's your engineer time?

toxic siren
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2:03:81

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i mean there are 2 3 seconds ahaed, that i recognize i can do better, but 1:50 seems unreasonable

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dunno, maybe just the spite speaking 😛

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forget it, just beat it XD

gusty mist
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you got this man

toxic siren
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yoooouuuuuuuu 👺

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you'll be next 😛

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but for real, 1:42 is amazing, gj

gusty mist
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thank u

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ive actually spent maybe 2 or 3 hours on this

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it goes to show how crazy wig and cabbage are

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i think i saw his score update maybe like twice

white frost
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You do two maps on rainstorm with some artifacts

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Spawns and items are predetermined so everyone is playing on the same field

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Second boss is always an elite, but not actually as tanky as a real elite boss

slim lintel
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theres also these annoying pink things you have to tickle

long blaze
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hey, on pc, this trial seed starts us on sky meadow -- can you spawn the artifact portal during a trial and unlock artifacts?

toxic siren
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pretty sure it sould work, try it and tell us ^^

bright owl
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Going through the artifact portal seems to softlock the trial

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Every time you activate the "boss" in the middle an umbra spawns and the "boss" regenerates all lost health

toxic siren
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interesting?

stuck nexus
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i got a recording of it

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you can see it regenerating its health after you use the key, i think it might be because the game gives it Overloading so it has shield?

bright owl
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I had no idea that the Reliquary could be an elite so I didn't think to check, but that would make sense

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Interesting quirk

wanton wind
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wait how late is this run

cyan stratus
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what

slender dragon
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what the hell is that

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Overloading Artifact Reliquary?!

cyan stratus
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just saw they released an online version of this trial https://www.random.org/dice/

solemn fiber
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pure rng?

vestal inlet
toxic siren
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thanks for that, amazing

cyan stratus
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lol i knew you'd do that once i beat you

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vulture fight too fast for me to beat though i'm not grinding that crit

zenith plinth
vast token
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i know its a bit late but i was catching up on on chat log and i feel the same about finishing a speedrun @cyan stratus when i got a reasonably good one recorded i mostly thought about all the places i had bad movement

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then i just turned the game off and stopped running

indigo snow
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Sounds like a speedrunner thing

slim lintel
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tfw we got mad green pill energy in here

vast token
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lmao

cyan stratus
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yeah i saw that yesterday lmao

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black pill objectively the best

delicate grove
vast token
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black pill is definitely the best

cyan stratus
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wtf

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took you long enough though

coarse lotus
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It's useless if the game you're speedrunning doesn't have rng, though

vast token
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@delicate grove lmao wow nice time

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its time for the quest for 1030

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i need to shave 2 minutes off mine tbh

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damn the stage 1 crowdfunder roll lol setting a new metric for soft resetting sadcat

tough belfry
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crowdfunder only saves 2 seconds

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per stage

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other rng much more important

vast token
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no you're right lol, but its still time

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this strat was interesting though it looks more susceptible to rng rolls is it more/less consistent than tincture? @delicate grove

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either way super nice

delicate grove
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its probably less consistent than tincture but tincture isnt as fast as crowdfunder

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its way more consistent than before since i started stacking will o wisp

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im trying to do 20 stages without tincture atm

vast token
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im gonna try that out, i want to make my monsoon time better its pretty slow now at 1237

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it can be really optimized but i got a bit worn of retrying for seeds

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the crowdfunder though seems like a given for min maxing

delicate grove
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gotta get used to the resetting unfortunately

vast token
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yeah i ground it out until i got that and took a break, i do want to try out will o wisp

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and see how that is it looks like it snowballs nice for later stages

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the annoying thing sometimes on tincture runs is getting a far boss spawn and razorwire kinda misses the range so i hope they meander over to me by tele time

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or it wastes time when i go hunting

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where at least wisps could stop that by sniping 1

tough belfry
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razorwire stacking increases range

vast token
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yeah im aware

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there are some later boss spawns where they spawn very far away anyways and sometimes they dont make it in range cause you stand at the tele

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so i have to go looking which wastes time