#prismatic-trials
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i wish there was some way to have frame advance/savestates to do some legit tas but slowdown is all i got right now
I knew it was slowdown, what I was wondering is if that's the only cheat
I feel like it could be slightly faster if you get a position where you could barely ballista both the crystals in the back so you dont have to turn around for the crystal on the platform
yeah s2 is extremely suboptimal
swamp is always unoptimal
i can't wait 'til we get a swamp trial with 2 bosses that spawn on opposite sides of the super tall wall
you can just clip through the wall
you can clip through pretty much everything on siren's call and swamp, they're both horribly broken
I can't believe we're in huntress meta
we're not, it's just for glass trials
glass trials creates weird stuff like mult meta
it seems like trials are more likely to have glass than not have it
if it wasnt for the s1 clip and the random equip rex would still be faster this trial
Is really over half of trials glass? That hasn't been my experience
no
was fun running this trial
maybe next one is interesting
artifact of kin and both stages are beetles, another braindead trial for ethereal
How does the leaderboard look currently?
Cabbage playing loader again 😮
never said i was gonna play loader
Any huntress' beat your TAS time?
of course but there's no way to see which ones were legit
top time was something like 48 seconds which is completely impossible with our strategy
it's harder to get hit than it is to not get hit on this trial
i have no idea why anyone would need this but here it is
lmao what a joke trial
idk i didn't laugh
huntress squad reporting in, how low can we push this trial
found cabbages fursona
stop
good trial for ethereal?
yeah is this trial good for ethereal
cool i wont do it again
as much as I hate OSP I kinda wish glass artifact had it just so we could crystal jump still
obliterating on monsoon with all artifacts would have taken me 1 attempt instead of 1000+
not gonna run this one not fun
i routed it for 30 minutes at least beat my time
cabbage, can u show, or say how u did ur run? since ive run it a few times and im still 21 seconds behind u and dont get how to run it that much faster, you must do another route than i am doing completly. Im sorry if this is dissrespect in any way, asking for how you do it, ive just started doing the prismatic trials (last one and this, last i was top 50, now im at place 5 but dont get how to make it that much faster, like yours). ((Also doing huntress))
dude holy shit that's offensive and disrespectful
okay, then im sorry.
no need for the sarcastic comment they are just asking a question
Wait we don't do sarcasm here anymore?
as a response to their question to cabbage it isnt needed and just makes you sound like a dick
Well I am a dick so 
Wig, a question to u, u see ur place 3, with LOADER, i personally love loader but idk how to use loader in prismatic trials with glass, how do u fast and effecently destroy the crystals without dying yourself?
loader's alt grapple ability can kill the crystals
not in one shot tho? takes 2 hits? or do u take the crowbar under spawn point?
it takes two hits
but if you stand far enough away from the crystal when you grapple then you dont get cooldown on the grapple
theres a few videos in this channel where i do it
thanks for telling me that you could stand far away, but do you think its a bug wig, and it will be patched?
lmao imagine hopoo patching things
it seems like a bug, i dont see it being intentional
for huntress i think i have 1:07 or so
it can be faster but it's mostly capped by how fast vase charges
thought i recorded it but apparently i didn't
just use recycler once to get vase, use vase on s2 to get to teleporter
cabbage but i need to destroy 3 crystals? 1 is in the beginning, 2nd is close to the bridge and 3rd is next to the boss?
doesn't matter how slow you are, you're still waiting for vase to charge, just ballista the crystals
oh i kinda get it now, thx man, much appreciated for u helping me. i just got 1:17 ^^
just got to do it better now
oh right new trial
its kind of good i guess
i got the mercenary achievement
literally the 2 stages have beetles as the only enemy i think
I’m really glad the move is getting buffed
ohh, spider mines do target crystlas
I mean, it’s cool and all but I think it should be a lot more powerful for how hard it was to get
it's not like it's hard to get. if you're stubborn and want to get it on a really bad seed it might take you 10+ hours but on some seeds it's literally free
so if it was some extremely broken op skill that wouldn't make any sense either
Consoles are another story
But this one looks alright actually. The stage 2 boss is just overloading beetle guards
I have to practice routes a bit, but I think console Cabbage will have another video on this one
Meanwhile I'm struggling with commando 20
I'm refusing to use command, otherwise I'd have it already, that's how I did it on pc
I don’t really want it to be super op but preferably make it one of those moves that is a better alternative
I'm allowing myself all the other artifacts, so I think I'm going to use metamorphosis and clear it as literally anyone else
I kinda prefer it cause I'm crappy at playing merc. Instead of thinking about cooldowns and I-frames I just throw out a bit of crowd damage and get back to doing uppercut
The commando thing annoys me because he's just the worst
I tried all week and can't clear loop 2
Theb I switched to engineer with carbonizer turrets and I just shrug it off
Why is it specifically commando who has to do this
because idk
just use mods to empower yourself
No, no cheats
I'm doing it without drizzle and without command
Also how to mod on switch
Surprisingly enough, that 20 challenge was what made me love commando
It was like I was forced to get along with him
It made me hate him
I liked him before, but then I had to do that crap, and I got so sour I quit playing
Didn't come back until last month, and with artifacts I unlocked his good skills
The shotgun and grenades are great! They made me like him again
Yes, shotgun and grenade are also what made me love him
Cabbage, do you ever use rising thunder in your videos or do they always assume the player hasn't unlocked anything?
Two turrets close to the boss this time as well!
K, I have a route.
I'm pretty sure this one is way easier than the previous actually. There's no elder lemurian
And there's just this constant beetle spam, you're almost guaranteed more items
Boss turned into blazing imp overlord, still a pushover
I'll start recording attempts after dinner
no i prefer normal m2 anyways
rising thunder isn't that great tbh
ok i'll leave this here for tonight if anyone wants to try to beat it
I was wrong. This one is a lot harder
I found a little trick on s2, but it's not as big of a trick as the other one
Right at the teleporter there's an incinerator drone
If you buy it and hide behind the wall thing, the drone will just kill all the beetles, and they're super respectful and will never walk around the wall to attack you
The catch is that the event is absolutely flooded with wisps
The drone works best if you can stand still, but you kinda can't
If you stand still all the beetles will gather in one place and the drone can just kill them all in a couple of bursts
Honestly, the mission almost feels designed. The drone's flame procs works well to keep the shield down on overloading beetles
Another catch is that now you have to not buy any drones on s1. I'd you do the enemies will just spread all over the place
This means fighting the stage 1 boss with no drones, and it's full of bells, Vultures, and even an leder lemurian
i can't see how to get 1:04.92
its easy you just destroy 6 crystals across 2 stages and complete 2 boss battles in under 1:04.93
thanks for the help, figured it out
ok actually ur right idk how he's saving that much time
i'm assuming ballista ukelele proc
oh so this is a 200% icky doodoo trial
yeah its 100% uke proc
vase + glaive is a really cool interaction though
are uke procs not created equal
I swear its only jumping to 1 other beatle sometimes
How close are the beetles when it's not jumping?
Also keep in mind how jank the collision detection is in this game
alright cabbage wins this one I aint farming that
idk how he always gets so lucky so fast on these trials
Just go faster
this trial is hard gated by vase 99% of it is getting a good uke proc s2
are you using same route?
You guys managed to improve it last trial too so maybe now also
Not really a lot that can be optimized on this one due to the vase gate, and then its a proc based end with just means you're going to spend like 55 seconds just to not get a proc, last trial was fun to optimize because there was no rng and theres was lots of room for improvement with the movement
well, there was kinda clip rng but the worst one was at the start so it wasnt that bad
I don't suppose there's any other survivors that would not have the gate
probably not due to the random equipment artifact
Commando can get a lower time than Huntress, but it's all luck
actually loader is probably top tier for this one
Loader was what I was thinking too, but what's this about commando
There's a lot level to traverse on s2 especially
If a survivor got lunar tonic they could kinda just sprint across
commando starts out with vase
Oh I see
which means if you are able to kill stuff really fast he's probably technically faster than huntrass
S2 is shoot 1st crystal through floor, vase to the trees from start, shoot crystal from top, break last crystal for free, then get this fight:
Ah, and that was ukulele proc huh
I think I got something silly brewing with loader
but its super RNG and the flaming beatle has to destroy the cave crystal
15% chance is a lot better than the crit preon grind trials used to have tbh
There's two equip barrels on s1. Could those he used to shorten the vase wait for Huntress?
The contain radar and uh
Can't recall the other.
that's a pretty quick kill but why aren't you standing on top of the teleporter
if I could figure out a good S1 and didnt suck at loader I really think grabbing the blue meteor s2 could get a sub 1min this trial
That was an early run I was still figuring out
Huh. You could just get all the crystals by calling meteor couldn't you
yeap, and if you're super lucky it could kill beatles
You can get all 3 crystals without wasting any time using glass vase, meteor is useless
as loader?
oh huh, didn't know the artifact could give you lunars guess that makes sense though
It can give you all the lunar equips except the whatever doll
weird, why is the doll excluded?
Cause you drop it on use is my guess. Similar reason to crowd funder
If you find the doll in the wild you can use it to generate infinite equips
Just pick it up, use it, get rolled a new item, pick it up again
There's a strat for getting irradiant pearl that involves farming other lunar equips using that method

very nice
that time is impossible with huntress i think so gg
fastest possible time with commando
AND with frags
Ngl that was a nice run
sub 1 is definitely possible, but everything about this is inconsistent and/or luck based
pressing q on the trees doesn't even work half the time
the other 80% you go straight into a tree
i tp out of st1 at 33 with loader, it really shows how good vase it
i dont think there is a way for loader to get to the tp in one punch
I don’t think vase is the best equipment but it is one of my favorites
It’s just more cool than anything and can be pretty fun
its very good for glass trials
Ahaha, that's amazing
I can see how
Commando on the top is exactly the kind of reality bending I hoped artifacts would bring
yeah its nice to see the lower used chars get good times
I love commando
At this point I think merc and engineer are the only survivors who've never gotten top spot and probably never can
For engineer to win a trial you'd have to like
Start a stage on top of the cliff in Rallypoint, so that only he can throw mines exactly over the cliff to hit crystals down there, but also you start standing on the teleporter
Or another victory by eccentric vase I guess
I think it’s just a paradox that engi can’t really do anything faster than anyone else because of his not having a mobility skill
Engi can heal faster than anyone else 🙃
I think merc has gotten a top time once idk can't remember
It's not about the mobility skills, it's that he has no long range attacks
Missiles can't lock onto crystals and where does that leave you sniping far off crystals?
It leaves you waddling your engineer ass over to each of them
Arti got plenty of top ranks even before she had a jetpack
jetpack ended up not really mattering in the grand scheme of things, also that happened when rex was added to the game and she became completely irrelevant anyways
i don't remember merc ever being better than rex
I think it was pre-rex
no, just a theoretical double slam trial but never happened in practice
i only saw it happen after the update
anyone here have a good strat to beat prismatic-trials with merc 100% health?
pins
he's on console otherwise he wouldn't be asking
i think @white frost has a guide for this one
Did he make one for the new trial
I think he said he would try but I don’t know if he’s done it yet
I haven't made one for the new trial. It's tough but I think I know what to do
Let me get on it
Can you confirm you're on console, Coveiro?
Kay I have a video where I took one hit cause I was dumb
I'll try again but keeping this one in case I can't be bothered
No problem mate
Stage 2 has 3 missiles drones and a turret, you buy all of those
The thing is
Stage 1 I mean
They damaged me multiple times ;-;
Only seen it happen with turrets. Drones only hit if you're at the enemy, which you don't need to be. Let the drones handle it
Trust me, it's a lot easier with the drones
Rifle drone are nota problem
Let me try for a 0 run
The real deal is rocket drones
Those are also the strong drones you need, is the paradox
Well, this one I took 0 damage but I got hit twice instead of once (got a couple of teddies)
I'll upload it. Just be less dumb around flame drone thab I was
I DID IT!!!
Finally, it tool me a hell of a long time to get this reward
I feel extreme happiness :D
I'll mention I'm doing basically the same I was yesterday but today I did it first try
Good job! Did you end you using drones?
To me honest, i have opted to not use any drones to see if it was really necessary
In the end you do really NEED them but they sure help a lot
They're needed because sacrifice means you nearly can't get items
That was something that i noticed, however it did not ended up being a problem to me
So your options kinda boil down to "be a perfect merc player" or "buy drones"
and I'm the crappiest merc player in the world so
yeah, that's the issue
if you get there before 5-6 minutes it's just overloading beetle guards
Thankfully he couldn't reach me
Indeed
Ohh yeah something that pratically caried me was Topaz broches
(Sorry if the name of the item is wrong, i am used to the brazilian name of the item)
Those things saved my ass multiple times
I hope you're hungry for more off-brand, weird-smelling cabbage https://youtu.be/-FBg4pD-RQM
Just buy all the drones and run.
I got hit a couple of times by flame drones because I suck, but that's what I got teddies for.
Mate this was cool
can someone beat my rex time, it's very suboptimal
imagine playing beetle rng tiral
no rng here
Thanks!
i managed to get knocked back by a crystal as rex and not die
so im guessing the strat is either that or some weird thing involving the 2nd boss on st 1
is there an elite easily accessible s2? the drop from alloy is brainstalks, but the egg layout I don't see being very fast
Thanks lads just got merc’s ability
overloading beetles should spawn next to you on stage 2
idk if brainstalks puff is even good dont feel like testing
I played a lot of rex but he's so slow and boring now that they nerfed his alt utility
dont get me wrong it needed nerfed but it was the only thing that made him not completely mind numbing
@indigo snow see above for this round's console Cabbage
I'm bummed I missed out on that alt utility. Was it as broken as it sounds?
absolutely
Yay, more zeddy brand cabbage
ok nobody is beating my time and i want to show the strat i worked so hard on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epfLOjTN8SY&feature=youtu.be
randomly thought of a stupid strat like this and it ended up being faster than my huntress time. this trial has a pretty wide variety of viable characters. the commando, huntress below me on the leaderboard are legit.
i didn't record my 1:04 run as huntress but the commando ...
bunch of leeches
idk why you're saying leech when I literally said its probably brainstalks
Holy crap that is beautiful
because that egg route took me 15min to find
it was originally 10x harder until i found a different egg
house plant
Is there a Cabbage in this channel?
there's a @cyan stratus in this channel
I need help from Cabbage
it's harder to get hit than it is to not get hit on this trial
he made this video
Thanks
@silver sedge keep in mind that ethereal is the single hardest challenge in the game, so expect a lot of failures and don't give up!
Yeah I can understand that
What I can't understand is how cabbage made it so that in his run only beetles would spawn, and how his health is at 14
I also don't understand why there isn't a quick restart option
console?
Yes
that explains it
there's no quick restart because hopoo hates us, also consoles have different seeds from PC
From my experience, no matter what levels I play, it's locked on the same difficulty and locked on the same artifacts and modifiers
known bug
That's a bug?
artifacts locked are bugs,diffuculty and modifiers are intended
Yeah, imma wait till it gets fixed
I've got a video in pinned where I do it on switch with drones. Not too hard to replicate
Hahah, I knew alloy worship skip would be relevant one of these trials
@silver sedge ^ there is an off-brand Cabbage for console ethereal runs around, which you'll also see in pins when he chooses to do it
Cabby
Kimchi
saurkraut
so im pretty new to the prismatic trials, any tips to get a faster time?
what character
i used huntress the most on this one
2:24
okay yeah you can improve that loads
this trial has glass so you pretty much want to go straight to teleporters
on this specific trial you start with a recycler as equipment and get eccentric vase when you use it
so it's best to use the recycler as early as possible so that you have vase for stage 2 where the tele is far away from where you spawn
3x dash is better than default dash on every trial, ballista is usually better than arrow rain
1:04 is pretty easy as huntress this trial but you can't go much lower because vase caps it
play rex instead
mult time
That’s a lot of huntress
THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE-
That exact distance for loader, is it the very edge of the gauntlet reach?
Cause that's pretty hella precise, I can't pull it off
Okay i can pull it off now
it helps to find some recognisable stuff nearby to help you position
Yeah, I came to realize
What was your time? If I can get twice your time I'll feel happy with it
Oh I have less than twice your time. I'll be happy with sub 2 then
Do you use the drone strike? It keeps extending the teleporter
Ohh 1:42
I have both, this is pc
Hm
I use the drone stike, call it pretty early before hitting crystals they'll poof through the wave
I've got 1:35, I think I can get sub 1:30 but that's about my capacity
probably differences in crystal route on first stage
I guess. I'm just doing the obvious thing
Top of ship, then the two in order. I don't wanna grind for the fire beetle randomly killing a crystal or whatever the heck happens sometimes
play rex
1:32, would have been 1:30 if I had thrown my tesla earlier
the best order to do the crystals i have found is to swing straight to the cave crystal first
then use a grapple reset on the one next to the teleporter
and then kill the cave one with the grapple aswell while charging punch to get to the teleporter
then you can use a normal attack + grapple again on the last crystal next to the teleporter and you can do that in 16 seconds
huh
I did this, it's not great https://youtu.be/V1S6vLt9yvA
Risk of Rain 2
Prismatic Trial for June 26th -20
Class: Loader
Recorded Time: 1:30.37
Hadn't done a Loader trial yet, nor one containing scorched acres, so this felt like a good way to cover bases.
Music is ZEDD, by Bionic Commando
https://soundcloud.com/bionic-commando
june 26
you can see me fiddle with aiming because gamepad, but rest assured my aim sucks with a mouse too
oh, right
'cause I'm dumb
I did a bunch of attempts after that one and one time I got a sub 30 pause, but somehow I just lost it all every time in stage 2 anyway
cause default punch is useless
...
new punch I can punch a beetle and every beetle behind it dies
default punch just punches in a line
well I don't like it cause it makes me hold the button
is it
I guess that makes sense
@delicate grove
didn't wig user thunder punch in the previous trial
I prefer default punch but I can see the appeal of thunder punch
I'd rather have ukulele than phase round is all
Don’t you dare compare rocket punch to phase round
What's the number 1 complaint people have on phase round?
It don’t do enough damage
It's "Boo hoo enemies never line up"
Yeah but rocket thunder punch!
One shot the boss and also everything behind it
I could see it being better in a trial, but this one is two beetle hordes
Like I said, I get thunder punch but it’s much more satisfying for me to plow through a group of everything in the late game
have you ever done speedruns of base game with thunder punch
can't say I have
the speedrun challenge unlocks the thunder punch doesn't it?
kinda stopped there
you play loader for mobility, thunder punch removes all that
oh I wouldn't worry about it, I don't need thunder punch to be slow
my loader runs consist of an embarrasing amount of running on the ground
and crashing into trees
alt punch makes you stop moving when you hit something then you die
^ main reason I use default
also they might not "line up" but its easy to get multiple enemies with default, esp. when it has a wider radius than phase rounds
thunder punch is fun with afterburners/brainstalks tho
Alt- Punch is a viable option for prismatics due to its insant chargeup
as well as Glass-loader runs where ambers arnt easily accessable
however base is more useful in 90% of prismatics
(If we're talking Normal game however, Alt-punch will bounce you back up into the air if you hit something while airborne, supporting high-paced aerial-focused playstyle, touching the floor as little as possible to stay alive)
Alt punch just way more situational, ive never used it in a trial
i'm disappointed by the lack of competition on this trial compared to the last one
its almost like this trial is bad
people that want to do merc achi, you ahve no excuse not to do it on this one
literally fighting beetles
just got leaderboard position 95 for this trial. are most top 100's playing huntress?
Either Huntress, REX, or Loader
Maybe an occasional Merc but those are the main ones
no
thats annoying lol
It's trial o'clock!
there is a lunar pool on stage 1 if anyone needs the irradiant pearl
although not sure if there are lunars
no shit. enigma too?
im talking pc
yeah, it's on PC I need a pearl
I don't have to ask to know which artifacts are enabled on console
Yep
no lunar pods as far as i can tell
Those aren’t changing anytime soon
oh good, a turret looking right at the teleporter
I was worried I was gonna have to get good with merc for a second
and a second one if the boss happens to be vagrant
double mountain shrine if you're missing that challenge
oh I can chase crabs here!
Wait, crab chase?
yeah, second stage is titanic plains
I need that achievement
since it's second stage it has crabs
Neat
there's at least two, might spawn more, just keep in mind they spawn slowly
might be worth to just chase them and restart
Wait, console or PC?
first boss is beetle queen it's a really easy stage
console, I'm practicing for knockoff cabbage
Yes!
I can definitely hear a third crab
I’ll have to get on later, I haven’t gotten that achievement yet
Also it’ll be a nice break of pace from the ethereal challenge
there'sa minimum of four crabs so you can get it in 5 runs at most
Nice
I’m fine with that, at least I’ll be quoting of my own volition instead of being forced too
I think I just heard beetles
so chase 3 crabs and quit
yes! this challenge shrine summons crabs
they spawn at the cliffside I can't make this up
This is too good to pass up
alright so that's 5 crabs in a run
maybe if you arrive faster it will be more crabs, because right now it's two glacial crabs
actually
the crabs are killing everything for me, maybe I can use this for etheral
Perhaps
I just need to chase them off cliff
What do you unlock for doing that again?
only the strongest item in the game
gesture
gesture of the drowned, half cooldown on equipment
2 more crabs, that makes 7 this run
8
Hmmm
and another two, so 10
That’s why I haven’t seen it in a run
the golems are straight up killing the crabs 'cause they're mad
both bosses seem to be beetle queen, but not sure if they'll remain that in a faster run
Hmmm
right so no drones and the bosses are never targeted by turrets
it is a blazing beetle queen, it's not all that easy to take no hits
right, 2-3 crabs left, I'll just unlock the challenge
there aren't any crabs now because I was faster
the challenge shrine just had wisps, you may have to waste around 10 minutes on stage 1
this is A LOT of wisps
hi, is it safe to assume the people with 1 minute times on huntress are cheaters?
for this trial yes
if you can beat Cabbage, Wig, or Iforgotwho, @gusty mist , consider yourself among the best
dont count on me
that somehow looks easier than a glass trial
I get a blazing queen surrounded by wisps, and while it's reasonably easy I kinda have to wail on her for long enough that there's just too much room for error
even if I manage it I doubt it'll help anyone
I'm gonna see how long I have to farm to get equipment
I left the queen and she eventually just died on her own
so that's interesting
I think she gets bored and walks off the cliff
i dabbled for an hour or so
read that wrong and got worried
If they think a 37 is reasonable I dont think they played the trial.
That’s because they probably didn’t
I don’t know how the devs are gonna do the work around when you can actually win stuff
they could do a reward for top 50 or something
then the cheaters wouldnt really matter, there is only a few of them per trial
when trials were popular, 1st place legit was about place 400
only like at the very start of game release though
i guess the problem with doing that would be it encouraging more people to cheat for the reward
I really want whatever the prize is gonna be but I’m garbage at these things
this is 1st place time for trial 5, you can imagine how it was for trial 1
Wow
I have discovered the world's dumbest strat
doubt
you hide out of bounds until beetle queen walks under you, takes a good 5 minutes
while you're OOB the director doesn't spawn anything
jump down it'll spawn a bunch of other beetle queens instead of wisps
now leave, the beetle queens will simply kill eachother
yeah if you find oob inside tp zone you can hide until 99, then game won't spawn anything even if you go in bounds
which is good if you just want to 1v1 the boss
it's how i dealt with the 2nd boss on trial 5/29
I was trying to get the queen to walk herself off the cliff, but she didn't want to. I think it's what happened last time
🎸
What do you guys think will even be a prize, I feel like it will just be a special skin or something
vac ban
yeah I don't think they'll ever put that prize in
if they put a prize they'd need to implement anticheat
if there is one itll probably be a one time thing
I got her to waddle her big beetle butt out the cliff, and I think I know how to do it consistently
It would be nice to see a replay of the runs from the leaderboard, then we could report a run I guess to get it removed if its not legit
i wonder if it would work to record the inputs of the player and send them to a server somewhere to be simulated
no just killing crystals really
could be able to check stage 1 atleast with that
could do it stage 2 aswell with crystals tbh
i think there is also only a 1 - 3 boss spawn variants usually too
what is the main way people cheat, by giving themselves items?
i would do it with mods but idk how others do it
yeah some of the crazier times that i used to see like negative times i feel were messing with memory or something
idk enough about it though
I think mods disable prismatic trials from what ive heard
i downloaded the debug mod and it took me less than a minute to delete the prismatic trial restriction
if people care enough to hack a time in they'll find a way
Cheat engine. It knows how to deal with IL and finding a time value is super-easy.
IL?
Intermediate language. Technical stuff, but you're changing a unity game for whatever reason, then you need to know how to deal with it.
But one could hotswap the routine responsible for keeping track of time to always return 0 if they wanted, instead of the actual time.
i guess a solution would be to make prismatic trials timers serverside?
Something like that, yea.
That would make them awful to play
I vastly prefer seeing some fake times on the leaderboard
Doesn't have to be purely multiplayer, just something that reports when you start and when you finish.
I wish I was better at doing these things but they look very hard and take a lot of time
Plus controller seems like a bad play here
I once got within a few seconds of Cabbage on my controller, took a lot of tries though
Motion controls actually have an edge over mice when it comes to speed and precision, the problem is you can't exactly do 180s with them
Hey zeddy, can you help remind me tomorrow to do the prismatic trial for the crabs
i prefer playing merc with controller
I don’t have time tonight and my memory is awful
Sure, how long from now?
I'm about to head to sleep. Console Cabbage will have to wait until tomorrow
Probably like, 12 hours from now
Around lunch, I'll try to recall
Controllers get the benefit of aim assist though.
You can't really have that in a PC game, since it's stupid easy to spoof a mouse as a controller to get aim assist on it.
True
Overwatch had that problem, so they cut aim assist from the PC version entirely.
the first or second trial was stupid fast on mult because of a equipment bug
aim assist in a pc game ?
its more likely than you may think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rahSNUGNV4k yeah first trial was really fast
damn I forgot how the timer used to keep on going for so long lol
I give up on console cabbage for this trial
I'm sure I can do it if I go at it, it's pretty straightforward
there's a drone, you buy it, get some brooches and pick ukulele if you only get one green, then you just git gud at fighting beetle queens surrounded by wisps
there really isn't anything to demonstrate in video format, you're either good enough to pull it off or a video won't help you
beetle queen is actually pretty resistant to drone/turret cheese, as an aside. It's because she constantly spawns her little debuff things
debuff her back
I'm going for the strat where I just wait for her to walk off the map
I did it once with 36 damage, mostly from getting nicked by my own drone
it takes about 15 minutes, probably noone will copy it
isn't chaos enabled? just go under beetle queen and make it spit itself and it just dies
Yep
that works but I don't know how to pull it off
any pro-gamer tips other than "be great at timing"?
look at the visual cue then use iframes
it's blazing, not overloading so you can actually tank
I don't know how to make this work at all
she fires at completely random angles or lesser wisps that happened to hit her earlier
not getting her to fall off this time
I'm wondering if my turrets are doing it
just having enough knockback to push her off
and I didn't buy them this time 'cause I got sick of the turrets taking potshots at me
anyways this sucks and I'm skipping it
too many wisps
good trial for crabs, speaking of which
@rare badger did you chase crabs yet
🦀 trial
what if trial rules could apply to the main game?
instant teleporter charge, but you have to break crystals
That would be an interesting artifact, not sure if it should be an official change though
I was thinking artifact too
I don't really like the "waste 40 seconds as a way to inflate difficulty" school of game design
crystals giving money?
I also don't like the "give the player nothing to do for the first 2 minutes of the game" as a school of game design
I wanna say crystal money doesn't scale, it's just a flat amount regardless of what chests cost
So it's make the beginning of the game snappier. There's a reason I prefer trials
And it's not because I'm any good at trials
just making the game easier again D:
he's talking about an artifact idea. why is it a bad idea if it makes the game easier?
also i have no idea whos legit or not on these leaderboards
if they're fast and legit they probably posted it here
i don't think there's much for the player to do at any point in the game
theres only one post made by cabbage
i would love an artifact that allows instant teleporter charge when killing the boss
one of the tooltips on new profiles even says 'difficulty is always increasing so play fast' or something along those lines
and if anything it makes the game harder since you will have less money to spend on items
literally no difference other than no waiting for tele to charge
that is not harder
you can just wait if you want more enemies to spawn
and it would be the same
yeah im speaking in the case that you intend to kill the boss instantly every time
and 6 free items first stage
but even then it is better because it gives you more control over the pace of the game
why 6 free items?
5 crystals * 30 / 25
Does Crystal Gold scale with time? Or is it static? (Haven't played that many trials)
though idk how many chests spawn
oh i dont want crystals to be a part of that
just the insta charge part
idk if it scales
it's 30
@delicate grove are you ever happy when you finish a 20s run or do you just kinda look back at all the things that went wrong and feel like you could've done better
finishing runs usually makes me sad instead of happy
i usually look as how many stages had bad tps etc
but i think in my run there was only one bad stage on scorched acres if i remember
scorched acres yeah
idk i just had a "good" run but it doesn't feel good
12s timeloss on 1 stage
sometimes you just gotta accept that youll never get a sub 25:09
just like ive accepted ill never get sub 10:40
sometimes you just gotta accept that youll never get a sub 24:01
wtf do you mean i just got a sub 25
just like ive accepted ill never get sub luigi
oh dear
yeah you better start running now
luigi is real though
subluigi
guess ill have to start running no sacrifice 20 stages
see you in 5 years
i might wait till 1.0 comes out though because i know that categories are being removed or changing
maybe ill ask for 20 stages to be replaced with 21 stages
I’ve only gotten a sub mario, I don’t really speed run much but I was happy with that run
no sacrifice 20s??? but why
idk to get convergence stage 1
you objectively lose time by not getting backup mags
and you won't get past stage 10
is that a challenge
i bet i can easily get past stage 10
with the right rng i could get a good time with 1 backup mag
woolie had to do a 20 stage run with no unlocks commando for the one run challange so it is possible
there's a difference between a speedrun where the only items you get are from sacrifice and a casual run
think of all the green items you get w/sacrifice, and 10 crit glasses for double damage etc., you absolutely need sacrifice for 20s run
idk why you're even considering no-sacrifice 20s
you save what, like 22 seconds with lunar pod s1
yes i guess your right for speed anyways for just normal runs you don't need to go at the speed of light but your are a speedrunner it is what you do
yeah its a stupid idea
glad you came to your senses
Yesterday I got malachite brass contraptions trying to unlock grenades
That's okay, I didn't want fun anyway
why do you always start doing base game speedruns right before updates that are probably going to change the run entirely
because i didn't have wr
remind me why overlords end the runs, is it their teleports?
I think it’s just them
they teleport on top of you which does AOE damage and 1shots b/c glass artifact
with 0 counterplay if you want to stay inside the teleporter zone
ah right, convergence
what is the lunar item on stage 2 for today, im too cheap to buy it
Oh wait you were talking about prismatic trials
yeah
Hmmm, usually the top times are cheaters
bruh moment
i will never ben number 1 unless the Newt Merchant bestows upon me the fabled no-clip Lunar Item
Did you get your crabs, zugbug
I tried and it was harder than I thought, I haven’t gotten it yet because I was getting bad luck
I was only able to find one the first time and it didn’t want to cooperate
Also I couldn’t find the challenge shrine with the crabs
I was gonna try again later today
It's not luck, spawns are deterministic
But crabs are expensive so they won't appear until about 7 minutes in
The shrine is the one in the open, I'm not sure how long until it spawns crabs, but after about 10 mins it'll just keep being crabs
I found them my first run cause I spent a lot of time scouting stage 1 for drones
You can force the director to get credits by going out of bounds, like on top of the giant pillars
Just hang there for a couple of minutes and pop back down, should spawn crabs
You can also hit the teleporter and they'll appear a lot during the fight
Oh ok
I say "deterministic" because it's not quite "you'll always get the same enemies", but more "you'll always get the same enemies if you always do the same things at the same time"
On stage 1 it's very predictable. You always get two jelly fish spawning about 10 seconds in, and then a wisp, and two wisps + a bell are spawned in already when the stage starts
This never changes for a given trial. Stage 2 is more complicated because it depends how long you spent on stage 1, among other factors
I've still had a random elder lemurian spawn in during stage 1 and I have no idea what I did to cause it
and there was a trial early on that the 1st stage boss would change depending on your FPS cap
Was that the one that had hermit crabs
I remember getting a blazing magma worm for like the 2nd trial cause I wasted a bunch of time
yeah crabs at >60 fps titan if <=60
I thought it was a specific time frame so you had to wait a couple of seconds
who knows spaghetti game
The way I recall it is that in that 2 second window the director had just spawned some big wave of enemies and was all out, so the boss director actually couldn't afford a boss
It's been solved by giving the boss director a minimum
I think I do...
yep back when I was lazy and just streamed trials and clipped runs lol
god that was a bad run lol
wait it was the mr jumpy trial
huh must have never gotten a good run with getting all the way up to preon with mr jumpy
Huh. So enemy spawnrate is frame dependent?
at least back then it was
what trial was that? 3? 4?
sure
earliest trial i have recorded is 5 but i'm pretty sure i had a good time for that one idk why i don't have it
actually no I think its probably at least 4, I think the earliest one on my twitch is like 2-4 something like that
1 and 2 were both equipment spam, 3 was the 10% crit trial and 4 was the crabs?
could probably scroll all the way up in this channel to figure it out
this is the earliest thing I have, this was the first trial I played
I can't remember if mult could equip spam it or not
yeah crabs trial was #4, found it by searching the number "33.6"
kinda wish I would have done date + trial number in my vids titles, though technically using the date you can figure out the trial #
also anyone else get a phantom ping in #announcements
The discussion channel is blowing up because of it 😛
oh apparently it was something about a ost release
It was about a vinyl track but the announcement got put up early I think
idk why they deleted it
Was supposed to go out later
Yeah, they put it out early
How do the prismatic trials work??
pick "prismatic trial" on the main menu
it won't show up if you have mods installed
trials aren't anything scary, you just do two stages on rainstorm and break some easily visible crystals before hitting TP
I feel like the awards for prismatic trial might just be a really good time to get the awards. I think this is the best way to prevent hackers from being the only ones to get the rewards. Maybe not though idk
But like a really good time
Removing the hacked records is possible but would require more work
I can't wait for an unlock for Loader skin that requires you to be top 10 in any pris trial
It has
chest at very top of spawn has ceremonial daggers
lunar pool on stage 2 aswell
this trial is a good example of brooch abuse. barrier damage does not count as damage.
i'm pretty slow on the 1st stage because i don't use my dash and eviscerate as movement abilities like i usually do, i save them for wisp spawns
any ways cool video i was wondering how much time the start took
3 minute
let me ask in a diffrent way how much set up did this take how many tries to know what you needed or did you just run once know and do it
i ran around first until i found the ceremonial dagger and brooch printer, then i reset and did it first try since it's easy with dagger
i always just do routing without caring about taking damage so i know where the items / crystals are
ok i figured as much
man i found you right after i got the achivement you are really good to try and do almost all of theses i wish you luck
thank you
oh could you link to the posts leading up to vulf getting muted for me so I can figure out why that happened
If this is allowed
Basically he posted a video that criticized a country that isnt the US and that's not allowed
apparently
lmao really, dagger and brooch printer trial
i think the last one was something like glass and beetles it was stupid easy
this is as free as it gets for ethereal pretty much
acually i think the last 3 have been really easy
Let's see how terrible this is in consoles
Has there been a sky meadow s2 so far that you've just skipped with artifact portal?
Oh a brooch printer? That might still be on console
No, they're all gone with command obv
yes
Using hellfire in Ethereal is a flex if I've ever seen one
This trial will be pretty good for unlocking the few artifacts I don't have yet I guess
We get blazing mini mushrums
They can just choose to duck underground and out heal my damage
Yea mini mushrums suck
isn't there chaos artifact
Yeah there is
I don't know how to bait a mushrum without taking damage while being surrounded by wisps
Hm, I got a red dropped during the boss fight. What would be the best item to get?
I'm thinking daggers, but shattering justice seems like it could speed a boss fight up
Wait, the artifact boss healed
Do they just really not want people to use trials to unlock artifacts or what is this
no, time just doesn't pause in trials
artifact room no-hit is actually pretty hard though
took me a couple tries back when i didn't know it didn't actually do anything
How many times have you posted this
59 times
I’m impressed
59x3 = how many days
177
Meathook
That's the red
I could proc a meathook and pull all the mushrum together
Squid is honestly my favourite item, people can shove their tier list up their primordial cube
desk plant is S+
It's not entirely useless, but even I can't think of a worse red
I would prefer a red whip
What if red whip was a red item and gave 400% speed
the game already gets too crazy with movement speed and can't handle it
buncha washed up hackers
ha
actually huntress may be legit on this trial idk
why cheat and try to look like you arent
My switch ran out of battery so I have to stop trying
Blazing mushrum were not designed to be fought without items, you literally can't kill them
I got two blazing mushrum and a two regular to all unload their wads on a single one and he just pops into the ground and outheals it
isn't there chaos artifact
I can stun him to make him pop up but he just gets out again
I got two blazing mushrum and a two regular to all unload their wads on a single one and he just pops into the ground and outheals it
@white frost
They can't be killed without guillotines, and there's no guarantee you're getting those
idk chase them off the map
Yeah that works, done that a couple of times
ok
But it takes an agonizing amount of time during which I make mistakes, I'm pretty full of mistakes
if there's a bunch of wisps spawning that could be an issue, is there something like swarms enabled
No swarms, but there is definitely a lot of wisps
I found a little piece of terrain where you can wait it out, but of course that lets the mushrum level up while you remain as weak as always
You've got less than 2 minutes to hit the teleporter before a parent spawns, and he doesn't have a single care for the terrain hit, he'll just smack you
That gives you pretty limited time to obtain items
And while you're waiting there the mushrum kinda spread out to all the corners of the earth, there's no getting to learn the fight
In principle I really like Ethereal, it's the one challenge that actually asks you to do something interesting as opposed to "have random thing happen"
But then every other trial has to be complete bullshit like this
Pc is a different story. Every other trial is free there
wasn't like that before artifacts. you sometimes have to come up with creative strats but every trial is possible
It's bc of the artifact bug that console trials have so much trouble rn
See how much easier it gets when you actually have different trials to do
Yeah, it is a pretty poor set of artifacts it landed on
I'd prefer no artifacts because then I'd have items to play around with
Alright, I think I have a strat
Mushrum fight gets a lot easier if you do farm and just buy every drone on the stage
You're much more likely to get your hand on two guillotines and a shattering justice that way too, and that'll let you just barely brute force them
Stage 2 is some of the most fun trial I've had, on a positive note
Imagine one day it's all artifacts
That'd be pretty sick
its all engineer as of now
has there ever been a trial with metamorphosis?
I think there was at the start, but then they quickly removed it from the rotation because it was weird
yeah there were some metamorphosis trials
people got mad they couldn't even attempt ethereal
how do i know if i begin to run against windmills? i mean i am pretty sure that all non-engineer times above me are hacked/cheated, but how can i be sure if that one freakin' engineer with 13 second lead wasn't just really good? 
2:03:81
i mean there are 2 3 seconds ahaed, that i recognize i can do better, but 1:50 seems unreasonable
dunno, maybe just the spite speaking 😛
forget it, just beat it XD
you got this man
thank u
ive actually spent maybe 2 or 3 hours on this
it goes to show how crazy wig and cabbage are
i think i saw his score update maybe like twice
You do two maps on rainstorm with some artifacts
Spawns and items are predetermined so everyone is playing on the same field
Second boss is always an elite, but not actually as tanky as a real elite boss
theres also these annoying pink things you have to tickle
hey, on pc, this trial seed starts us on sky meadow -- can you spawn the artifact portal during a trial and unlock artifacts?
pretty sure it sould work, try it and tell us ^^
Going through the artifact portal seems to softlock the trial
Every time you activate the "boss" in the middle an umbra spawns and the "boss" regenerates all lost health
interesting?
i got a recording of it
you can see it regenerating its health after you use the key, i think it might be because the game gives it Overloading so it has shield?
I had no idea that the Reliquary could be an elite so I didn't think to check, but that would make sense
Interesting quirk
wait how late is this run
what
just saw they released an online version of this trial https://www.random.org/dice/
This page allows you to roll virtual dice using true randomness, which for many purposes is better than the pseudo-random number algorithms typically used in computer programs.
pure rng?
First trial using Loader. Messed up a little at the end, but got the 5% crit, which is nice.
thanks for that, amazing
lol i knew you'd do that once i beat you
vulture fight too fast for me to beat though i'm not grinding that crit
i know its a bit late but i was catching up on on chat log and i feel the same about finishing a speedrun @cyan stratus when i got a reasonably good one recorded i mostly thought about all the places i had bad movement
then i just turned the game off and stopped running
Sounds like a speedrunner thing
lmao
black pill is definitely the best
It's useless if the game you're speedrunning doesn't have rng, though
@delicate grove lmao wow nice time
its time for the quest for 1030
i need to shave 2 minutes off mine tbh
damn the stage 1 crowdfunder roll lol setting a new metric for soft resetting 
no you're right lol, but its still time
this strat was interesting though it looks more susceptible to rng rolls is it more/less consistent than tincture? @delicate grove
either way super nice
its probably less consistent than tincture but tincture isnt as fast as crowdfunder
its way more consistent than before since i started stacking will o wisp
im trying to do 20 stages without tincture atm
im gonna try that out, i want to make my monsoon time better its pretty slow now at 1237
it can be really optimized but i got a bit worn of retrying for seeds
the crowdfunder though seems like a given for min maxing
gotta get used to the resetting unfortunately
yeah i ground it out until i got that and took a break, i do want to try out will o wisp
and see how that is it looks like it snowballs nice for later stages
the annoying thing sometimes on tincture runs is getting a far boss spawn and razorwire kinda misses the range so i hope they meander over to me by tele time
or it wastes time when i go hunting
where at least wisps could stop that by sniping 1
razorwire stacking increases range

