#prismatic-trials
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which stage?
looking around map1 for items
id recommend firework
im lookign around, theres an energy can in a small back towards where you first spawned in relation to teleporter and the large chest too
theres a trishop in a corner that also has a can, theres an equip barrel with wings
found the guillotine, and also get that intended bomb suicide with huntress holding down mouse click lmao
all other map drops are trash
no I meant the turrets hit the wisps hard
grab guillotine and huntress m1 should carry you
dont even need to hide for map1 teleport with it
the only run i didnt back out to menu on was my ethereal, almost 200 place now lmao
it seems if i take the equipment near spawn, the monster getting more aggresive than if i dont
how is the difficulty to do ethereal mercenary with this trial?
or is it possible? since our health is modified
Its really easy
You can pretty much just follow cabbages vid and get it in a couple tries
can u link vid
Map 2 just make sure you always have one of your skills up and the jellies will literally never be able to keep up with you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9cfIZwpg-8 @fresh jolt
this trial is easy since all you have to do is not get hit
finally beat it. hearing about the missile drone helped a lot.
Route works for most characters, biggest problem you'll run into is in first 20 seconds
missile drone made it way easier
nj
thanks
To note about the hide
Id say he got lucky in vid, I had to spam my abilities after I dropped off cause wisps clumped in a weird spot
Just listen out for them and be careful
Thank you so much @cyan stratus I finally achieved Ethereal. <3
oh dang, here's my chance to work on 100%
help guys. icant finish a prismatic trial
if you don't need mercenary challenge on it and just want the scythe, engineer/huntress are easier imo, just grab the missile drone early and it'll deal with most of the wisps
just did the merc challenge with the help of the video though, I haven't played merc so thought it'd be harder than it was, took a few tries and failed a bunch of runs to burning elites but got it in the end
Finally got Etheral
how are people doing the trial so fast? I got 4:18 with huntress running straight to teleporters and could save maybe a few more seconds, but #22 is already 4:11 so there must be something I'm missing right? Is there a way to get to or complete the teleporter faster?
cabbage does in 4:00
ohh I just realised, huntress' alternate utility is probably faster
I don't have it unlocked yet ๐
ok thanks guys
Pin
I can always tell if there's a new one because I see the cabbage theme when scrolling
yesss
25 times ive posted the video, of course some are .5 so its actually 23 times
23x3 = 69 days
nice
im so angry
nice
im angy
It is quite hard and need big luck to do ethereal in this easy trial in general
@thorny forum i find huntress's triple blink better for dodging. you lose some of the mobility of vertical blinking but gain dodging ability
Yeah but for the trial specifically, I have no trouble surviving/killing everything before the teleporter finishes anyway
it's getting to the teleporter that I need to do faster somehow lol
triple blink is faster
alright, guess I'll have to get lucky and find a crowbar printer
or have a long run and get lucky to find 12 crowbars lol
tbh artifact of command can make monsoon p easy even
bUT, if you want to have fun
i'd recommend turning on sacrifice with command, going monsoon, and just ascending to godhood before the crowbars
its at least a bit more fun
if youre huntress invest in like
crowbars
4 topaz brooch, a couple guillotine and some sticky bombs before crowbars
maybe spare mags
spare mags with some wisps make most levels a joke tbh
topaz brooch makes a lot of stuff a joke tbh
just m2 a group of enemies and watch the universe explode
yeah also get some topaz brooches if you dont kill everything on the stage in 3 glaives
stack like topaz brooch and spare mags and you'll be p survivable
command is how i got my monsoon huntress run
after that, a guillotine or two to cut down some elite nuisances, and uuuuuu wisp stack ig, makes the world explode, as previously said
if you get hold of aegis, stack crit and harvester scythes
then again, it is command, so you become pretty immortal after a stage or two
@mellow mesa could you remove this mabadii
mabadii#3387 was banned
prismatic trial today is pretty spicy
@cyan stratus Thank you so much for your videos, i managed to finally get the merc achievement
^
Hello! Any tips for Ethereal during this trials? Is it just trial and error or I gotta do some really specific stuff to get through? I've been trying for hours, but the wisps always seem to insta-fire when they spawn, giving me no chance to react.
I have, even trying his strategy, it still feels like wisps are random, being completely passive at some times, and being a literal 12 wisp firing squad at the other.
you shouldn't have to deal with any wisps with that route though
the first ones are always in the same place, you preon the boss, then you hide until tele is done
I got hit in the last second as merc
just after hitting the tp to finish the run

I really didn't think that fire jellyfish would catch up before my dash went off cd
The 2 wisps that spawn above the tri-shop sometimes divert beyond range of 1 blinding assault, making you spend more time and the CD not being back before the fire wisp spawns
i haven't actually tried it ethereal but if it's something right at the start you can just reset until you get it how you want it
when i did it i found 3 wisps spawing there and i just killed each one with one dash
Yeah, there's a third wisp that can randomly spawn with the other 2 near the shop or behind you
then i used M2 to avoid fall damage, got the fireworks and r the to crystal
I did it differently personally, went for the drone behind at the start, takes longer, but the drone kills a bunch of stuff so you only have to kill stuff that spawns in firing range
also wisps will sometimes aggro the drone instead
Oh, considering I need 3 wisp kills for the drone, the strategy is to kill the first three, get the drone and rush to the teleporter?
theres the preon which is super good
the tendrils 1 shot the boss, then you can just hide in the hole as showon in cabbage's video
you know jellyfish are actually faster than they look like when you're not looking at them
I know, I did that already, but a random wisp came in and shot me in the hole
i dont think that usually happens so it might be just bad luck
for the drone, you kill the crystal close to it
crystal+the wisp that spawns next to it is enough to get the drone money
then by the time you reach the multi and equipement, you can buy both(mostly drone killing), mind you I don't know if it's any better, just felt it was easier like that
there's a lot of luck involved with wisps spawning somewhere else and their wandering
sometimes there's like 2 wisps remaining after I get out of the hole and sometimes there's 7 floating around
that's why I like the drone, you go in the hole and then everything's dead
the final jellyfish can also spawn very afar from eachother making the preon shot kinda missy
where's this drone you speak of
tbh it's more useful for stage 1 than 2, but yeah even on 2 it's useful
you can get 2 more on stage 2, army of drones
I feel like if you miss just 1 second, wisps will pile up super fast
the drone can kill 2 wisps per volley(although missiles will sometimes loop around them and shit), so it's easy to keep them down tbh
to think that I had this done and got hit by a jellyfish while the tp was finishing the little animation
uuuuh
I got hit by a fire elite trail while using the dash?
Not all of the dash has i-frames

also be careful with overloaded wisps, they can stick the lightning bombs to you even while you're dashing
most of my fails are either at the start of the run, after getting out of the hole or one sneaky jellyfish behind me
most of my fails are due to some random ice elite exploding and killing me
i wish prismatic trails would remember the class you selected
or random wisps shooting from across the map
first time doing a prismatic trial. This is impossible? wtf hahahha
I hate how random wisps can be
sometimes they just stare at you
other times they spawn and instantly blast you
I got one shotted by a wisp in my god run just then.. Perma tonic and 5 shaped glass, I was one shotting boss's with my left mouse button lolz
ye, this is basically a roulette
the game chooses if you'll get the alternate ult for merc or not during this trials
I honestly hate it
by the way Sporry, a safer way to get out of the hole, look slightly up, and instantly use your special, you'll kill 3 or 4 wisps on it.
It's luck completely out of control of the player
I'll try that one
aaaaaaaaaah I still cant believe I got hit by that one goddamn jellyfish when I had just finished
imagine if the devs implented a quick restart
One thing that might be worth it is the wax quail atop a cliff on stage 2
it gives you unparalelled jellyfish evasion
okay what is the tactic for today's merc run?
Cabbage's Video is out already Defragged
where do i find it
is it not the pinned one?
yep it is
๐
massive thanks for the cabbage vid and all the other tips
now if only the skill was a good alternative lol
you must've taken 1 hp of damage somewhere in the trial
I was trying to, nearly finished the first stage and accidentally clicked and got myself into a predicament
I must've taken a single tick from a fire trail
Ye, and instantly restart as merc
Well, time to try and try again
good luck
may the wisp spawns be kind
Guys i'm having problems with this trial, i've seen the video and i've managed even to get to the second teleporter without any hit. However the jellyfish are so goddamn annoying and i can't always hear them, moreover the wisp are constantly changing their spawn in the first stage and this thing is messing me up a lot, i'm getting a pause from the trial but i wanted to know if you have any advice
I've tryied for an hour, i'm taking a small break, also i forgot to mention that i'm trying the Gabbage's route but i've read of a missle drone but idk where it is and if it's worth
I've tried both, Cabbage is more consistent
so guys
what is the easiest, most braindead way one can complete this trial?
I just want the scythe unlock, I don't care about anything else
Huntress
Turn off music so you can hear spawns
Buy guillotine in the large box by map 1 teleporter
You'll one shot every thing
Always stay moving vs jellies, they really shouldn't be able to touch you
Are the console trials any good today
I can't even find the large box lol
Good. I hit a rock and get launched into orbit. N I C E.
Lost another good run...
Screw this, did it again and it didn't count.
Trishop in back corner, one in a chest also by teleporter
Gomes are you taking any fall dmg
Nope, literally no dmg run
That's what your end screen says?
Ye
Already on menu, think I can't print anymore
I did it twice, none with any visible damage numbers.
Gomes you on PC?
Yeah
Is there a difference between console and PC trials
The boss of stage 2 is a blazing magma worm
Oh fuck that lmfao
I think Yes @prime snow
Oh ok wth
Apparently it just didn't show on the finishing screen
I got the achievement complete on my log lmao
absolute bruh moment
At least you have it
Fuck my life
So my strat is to break crystals, get a missle drone, focus crystals and crowbar. Kill the beetle queen and suffer
hey guys any topaz brooch? or any good items in general for this trial
there is a preon near spawn
all but 1 artifact (I thought this run was required to get the last 1 xd)
There's a repulsion armor plate in the market in the spawn (the "?" item). Pretty good one.
Also, I found crowbar and fresh meat in the far corner of the teleporter zone. Get the guillotine from the big boi chest aswell. s2 is pretty easy just don't get killed in s1. Play huntress; you can get 2 energy drinks. One is in a market, the other one is in the chest close to the hole near the teleporter.
what artifact isnt there
Am I just a scrub or is trying to get Ethereal as Merc a bad idea with this trial? If it was anything other than wisps on stage one, I feel like I'd be okay.
cbum this is a really good trial for ethereal
grab preon accumulator for map 1 boss, you can hide in pit for entire teleporter event
your run is basically make or break in first 20 seconds, just try to save shift/ r in case wisps spawn on you
also im malding
Yo don't know if any of you found this out yet, but there are visions of heresy in the bazaar
i was on pace for a 425ish and then the last glacial jelly wouldnt get baited out of the long tunnel, it got stuck in a corner
so if you can get into there, just buy that and snipe away the entire second stage
Also going into the bazaar changed the jellyfish to spawn into contraptions - but with Visions those are no problem at all to kill
(Did this on PC btw)
And if Visions aren't your thing, there's also the two misslie drones in Siren's
Thought it wouldn't be possible to get the damn merc skill, but then Visions came along and boom, challenge done
stage 1 was free once i figured out to run to one of those pillars near the teleporter after i activated
yknow what, for no triple dash/ballista ill take it
still losing like 13 seconds on that stupid tunnel jelly
for my 3:57 i used telekinesis to draw it out of the cave
probably like rank 500
wow you doing it in 4 minutes meanwhile me in like 9 minutes
how did you do stage 1 so fast
anyone challenging the mountain
And if Visions aren't your thing, there's also the two misslie drones in Siren's
@grim sphinx that would make it super easy but where did you find the Altar?
Hey, could someone tell me how I'm supposed to beat this Prismatic Trial? >.<
finish all 3 stages
There's a lil video of a merc doing it, I just copied him
took me a few trys but yeah easiest way I did it
could you send me the link of the vid?
1 sec
this trial is easy since all you have to do is not get hit
1st stage might take you a few trys
the 2nd stage is sort of easy? you'll just have to find this last random jelly fish
wtf!? Why is it so hard just to unlock a item ..?
so there are three spawning at the beginning
instead of two? or am i supposed to dodge the third
noice i managed to get from like 3000th place to sub 1000
yeah im around 4k right now lol
i suggest using huntress
I have tried, but I get instakilled
im trying to get ethereal rn
this is a tip to someone else and it really helps: turn your music off and listen to the enemies spawning
from*
yeah i figure itd help people who get sniped as theyre leaving for tele
im not sure how many people do this per release
also cabbage, your 3:57 is assuredly not 500 because my 442 or whatever it was got me like 187
nice 239th place
r doesnt hit
oh rip
you can get a pretty decent time with loader if you use the meteor behind where you spawn
o damn
epic, didnt know meteor was on map
only downside is you have to wait for the cooldown to reset on the next stage
its a lunar boio
duh
theres spinel tonic on map 2 iirc
i wonder if the armor and small hp lets you survive crystals
61 is good enough for me
nice
i made a faster ethereal guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnx5QUvjDco
2x speed is actually pretty fun but sound effects stay at the same speed so by the time you hear a wisp shoot it's already too late
if you somehow got here but only want the achievement here it is at normal speed
https://youtu.be/v9cfIZwpg-8
you just need cheat engine
omfg i got the ULTRA RARE item that drops from elite monsters that gives me their elite aspect
during a trial
too bad its useless
yeah that's more common when they're all elite
still doesn't drop that often but fun to see
yeah but its still a rare item
i mean it would be alotta more useful if it didnt take up the utility spot
yeah i dont play a lot of base game but i wouldn't think it's useful when there's other equipments you can have
Damn, finally got the ethereal. I hated wisps before, now even more
And thank god for missile drones
not even 5x speed disliking
idk how to change the speed
use cheat engine ??
no
do u think i use cheat engine
i was talking to @tough belfry
o
i'm not a pro hacker
cabbage confirmed cheater his whole youtube is a lie
np glad i helped
ok but when u change speed the sound effects stay the same
and most of my videos have sound
speaking of fast, sub 11 when
i haven't even tried running ce yet
resetting for blue orb and lunar pod then dying should be fun
want an ahk script
@feral warren at the very top of the map, at the giant spine skeleton
@feral warren dont have a map atm, sorry
Np, but doesn't that like fuck up the route?
didn't for me - or, well, slightly, got contraptions in siren's instead of jellies
but those spawned very, VERY rarely
turns out 6 seconds make alotta difference
and with visions i could just snipe them from afar
i think this is good enough for me
yeah once you know the hang of it its EZ
glass is peak gaming]
I got two elite aspects in a row in this trial lmao

I used this trial to unlock engi's secondary mines too lol
Lel I unlocked huntress second primary so cool
spot the blue portal
lmao portals are super bugged rn
pls change the challenge for the mercenary's utility skill, it's literally impossible
special skill***
??
@wispy grove https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9cfIZwpg-8 literally possible
this trial is easy since all you have to do is not get hit
trying to unlock ethereal with wisps just sucks, maybe next trial
Why have prismatic trials suddenly become 10x more stupid ever since artifacts were added
has anyone done it with Loader?
Grab repulsion armor plate (? one) from the multishop with 2 fireworks and ? option left of the start lets you take few hits from lesser wisps
thanks to cabbage's video i managed to do it. not too bad just gotta learn the iframes on merc. and remember that with all the dashes you can outrun the jellies.
i was trying to get the ethereal with merc for 5 hours T-T
i was able to get 4:17 with huntress . (as of posting 61st)
no buy - optimise dashing - using ballista
this run has some issues with consistency as the last jellyfish is in the caves. (sometimes it comes out, other times not)
I think i could get the time down by 1-5 seconds by being more efficient when moving, but the run is too inconsistent and icba
I tried it with acrid and think its possible to do a slightly faster.
no buy - use blight
the dashes could be slightly faster but the one issues is its much harder.
I got a 4:23 with acrid after 5 attempts.
For the life of me, I cannot seem to duplicate Cabbage's prismatic run.
any tips on beating my first one?
which part are you having trouble with?
Very beginning.

Trial is doable, to be sure
But its coming down to hoping the wisps spawn in the perfect place to avoid
And thats not a challenge, thats rng
just make sure you always have either one of the dash attacks available at any given time and it should be easy
wait for wisps to begin their charge up before attacking them etc
With how it's been for me, that's way easier said than done.
But it is always right when I get to the fireworks, or right when I get to the preon
Wisps can very easily nick you inbetween i-frames
The extra spawning wisps just take me out
Especially considering their perfect tracking up until what feels like only the very last frame, you're going to get caught eventually.
not to mention those wisps that spawn already shooting at you
But, I dunno. I can't put time into knocking out a challenge thats settled by rng.
Things change, maybe it'll get adjusted later.
Just not worth the headache.
@south sphinx alot easier than you thought huh
Took me 3 tries and all I had was ukelele (on console so I can't use artifacts to help me)
That was not easy ๐ญ๐ญ
i literally cannot beat the jellyfish. its my first trial and i have done everything so far w/o help, but ive been trying for like 2 hours
what did others do just to beat it, not for a speedrun
this trial is easy since all you have to do is not get hit
reposting from before
this helps
@south sphinx got that wallpaper from your earlier screenshot?
is this prismatic trial harder or easier than average to complete ethereal?
like it seems difficult but I would think it's easier than average considering the only enemies are one-shottable wisps and jellies
@gleaming yarrow For the record Trials is the only part of the game that isn't RNG-based
Everything that spawns is seeded for the timestamp
Stuff like crits is random but that's why most runners don't really get items like Lens cuz then they'd have to crit farm and that sucks
Don't worry, I sucked up and pulled through it.
Carefully paid more attention to Cabbage's behavior and mimicked as best I could.
Is anyone else really bummed about them taking metamorphosis out of prismatic trials?
no i don't think so
probably people would just restart until they got the survivor they wanted
or they would be forced to play one specific survivor no matter what (supposing that the RNG from metamorphosis would also be affected by the Prismatic Trial seed)
Enigma would probably suck too
god wisps are unfun to try to get ethereal around
isnt metamorphosis also rng? with a fixed seed the only change it would make, is you dont play the same survivor in the two stages
i wish they brought back like that one seed back when skills 2.0 was released that just had a brooch printer at stage 1. would make my life easier
i'm surprised there isnt a restart button yet after 1 year
holy shit this is so annoying
this is annoying for me, someone who dosent even play prismatic trials, imagine how frustrating it must be for the people that actually play this
wait... were prismatic trials changed? i killed the teleporter boss but i still cant go through the tp..
you get used to the cbt
i got hit by a wisp 1 second after it spawned. this is fair
almost got ethereal... only didnt get it because i dashed into a blazing jellyfish and it survived the dash and i took 2 dmg from the fire trail. fuck
thank god for the green vegetable thing fruit i dont know
i think it actually took me about the same time as it took for the first ish prismatic trial seed of skills 2.0
both took me bout an hour for ethereal
@quaint pewter u can also use it animated from wallpaper engine
(yep my one screen is higher than the other)
the cloud on the bottom left for or the stones all around are in the foreground and it picture moves with your mouse ^^
i'm not good enough for even 3x speed ethereal rip
nah 2x already took me like 20 tries 3x is probably rng lol
when the wisps spawn faster than i can react there's not much i can do
for a 3rd backup magazine aswell
i was panicked in a menu which does not reflect my normal thought process
did you want another crit glasses?
i just wanted something dude idk it's a shiny object on the ground
maybe a warbanner so there's more visual cancer
legit the hardest thing about 20 stages is the amount of stuff on screen
no it's just the crabs and magma worms before stage 6
put swarm and soul on
??
yea but early game i dont want as many spawns so i can conserve tincure charges before i'm at 5
fair enough
this fucking achievement has made me play mercenary more than the other 8 survivors combined
and all for a downgrade of an ability
wow I'd rather have the I-Frames rather than an inferior projectile.
well
at least we don't have to worry abotu this challenge anymore.
@cyan stratus Thank you for the video/route, I was able to get the challenge with this ! And twice !
metamorphosis was seeded I thought, the trial we had it I always got the same chars
or was only the 1st stage consistent I never bothered to complete s1 that trial
It made you play merc for both stages
this is making me lose all the sanity i thought i had
all i want is a new ninja power is that to much to ask
yes
it is done
dodge. xD
i didnt do this trial haha
im thinking engineer and just abuse shield
yep why not, but i hate playing engi so that's definitly not for me
looks pretty easy with merc
knocked it out ez with huntress, grab rocket drone, armor and equipment on forst stage run to portal
oh shiiiit
tbh this one wasn't terribly hard considering how hard the achievement can be with some maps
just have to know a few things like afking in the tar pit, waiting in the cave for the jellies, etc.
Do the trials get reused sometimes?
yeah sometimes the maps are the same but all the item placements are different
Hey, a noob here. What method do you guys recommend to complete this Trial with Merc. I can do it easy enough with Huntress but I just started playing and going for the Mercenary: Ethereal challenge

thx
am I the only one who has the last jellyfish spawn inside the terrain or something? I can never find the last one
some how went from 1597th place... to 74th place in one attempt
So many huntress
I like huntress now that she can kill herself I relate to the character a lot better now
But you haven't died yet
I love relying on fish AI to determine on how my run with turn out..... 2 jelly fish keep getting stuck in the same location and its starting to annoy me
I thought enge would be decent on this trial until I realized how small the range is for secondary turrets
lol i decided to try all artifacts again and got malachite mushrooms on stage 6 which reminded me why i stopped that
I'm honestly pretty happy with my time
I'd have to really rack my brain to think what I can do to improve on it
you can save 40 seconds by going faster
woah
Not sure if this goes here or #ror2-game-questions, but can monster logs drop in prismatic trials? If so, are they seeded?
yes and no
np my guy
Huntress is hella nice now
What some fire rate and cooldown reduction does
Alt m1 is brutal once you start racking up on crits
But dont think you can get a lot of crits in 2 stages lmao
how's today prismatic trial for mercenary unlock?
p
Feels doable on Xbox c':
woo sub 4:30 time.
i did this with engineer super easy, im a total trash can and i couldnt even do it with mercenary or huntress
i wanna do the mercenary challenge just because but i doubt its worth it
i gave up, i had a lot of bad time with those wisps shooting at me and in my opinion its not worth it.
this is one of the easier trials to get merc ethereal imo]
how do you unlock artifacts/modifiers for use in prismatic trials?
i just got back after a while and i want to aim for the ethereal achievement
prismatic trials have them automatically
you unlock the artifacts for regular runs
there is a pinned video in this chat that shows a good strat for the current trial ethereal
after the wisps its easy
how do u guys do stage 1 do u ballista the 2 crystals then rush the one next to tp without buying anything or what
to go fast yes
to complete the trial there's a preon near spawn and an armor plate in the ? by the crystals
i did the trial by getting preon and rushing tp without the plate hmm
ok ye that works too
if you're going fast then the only time that matters is how fast you kill crystals and reach tele because of tp charge
so items aren't worth it
if you use the place in cabbage's video it's ez
naw i didnt watch a vid yet
i did a trial before and i complete them normally not easy not hard but this trial is too hard i keep getting one shot
I did it pretty easy with engineer
i feel like huntress is the best
I trying to use mercenary so I can get his achievement in the same time
i mean that is supposed to be hard
Wisp is stupid
i mean there is a pinned video on how to kinda do it
The damage make no sense one moment they don't instant kill me the next the game say" let's instant kill u now"
Even doh I full health
Just failed the second stage at 99% lol
what happened to the trials?
huh ok
Damn that means I need to get top 400
Iโve been tryna go for perfect runs
Very very hard
Those wisps on the first teleporter are a slight bit overpowered in that situation
Pretty happy, I just got a 4:30.06 run. Rank number 291 lol
you don't get anything for top 10%
its not that the wisps are overpowered. It's because THERE'RE WISPS
One fart in your direction = kiss your Merc challenge goodbye
Took around 200 attempts but got ethereal, followed the pinned video except for the second tele event, just kited them back and forth with shift
I did it
After full last night trying in my way, I've seen, how it did one guy from internet and I've did it from 10 try
I didn't know about little cliff in hole near the portal on first location and was trying to hide from infinite Wisp behind the rock
thank you, cabbage-sensei
I wanna try walking turrets on it
AAA
Congratulation!
I don't even understand how you pass the first boss with another char than the Engineer
would anyone watch if i streamed ethereal on the new trial in 2 hours?
interessing but too late for me
just start streaming it, clip the clear dl it and upload it to youtube 2 birds 1 stone

if i'm not sleeping i'll watch
nice
ive been trying to get merc's ability since glass is turned on, but i keep getting sniped by the wisps. any tips for beating it?
reee ive managed to charge the first tp without taking damage
but now im scared about getting hit if I jump out from the pit
yeah fuck this. best chance to do it overshadowed by most bullshit enemy in thegame
There's a missile drone you can grab behind you at spawn location
It'll clear out all the wisps during tp event and helps on 2nd stage as well, but sometimes dies
if you're about to get hit you can just move out of the way to not get hit
bruh how we're talking about lesser wisps here
i don't know how they can remain the way they are despite most people complaining about them ever since launch
it's been over a year by this point
The missile drone makes it a lot easier.
as merc (mercenary) from the game risk of rain 2 you have 2 mobility skills with hefty iframes (invincibility frames (you can't get hit)) these can be used to dodge literally anything in the entirety of the video game risk of rain 2, you can even use a well timed M2 to dodge wisp shots so in conclusion don't get hit
you're just going to ignore all the other survivors in the game, and one of the pillars of the first game (when you die it is YOUR fault not the game's) being a complete and total victim to rng
Not every character is going to be good at everything
Especially not in a trial with random artifacts lol
they're good in different areas
My point with "you're just going to ignore the other survivors" is WTF are you supposed to do to avoid getting hit by wisps as them? every enemy in the first game had well-telegraphed and easy to avoid attacks provided that you paid attention, something that this game doesn't at all follow with lesser wisps
shoot them first or kite around with cooldowns
that should cover all the other survivors
commando can outrange them and dodge with roll/slide, mult sucks, engi can shield or waggle his screen around like an idiot with the javelins, huntress can just huntress, arti can fly above everythings aggro range, acrid can run away like a little bitch and shoot poison every char has at least some way to deal with everything
they literally snipe you with a shotgun blast
The wisps have a charging animation and sound
If they're killing you it's because you're reacting too slowly or your skills are on CD
The animation is barely visible when enough is going on, their little telegraphing laser always looks like baby powder over a laser pointer
which is a STARK and much WORSE difference when compared to a golem laser considering that lesser wisps are runkillers most of the time
what's yall fav character and why?? what do they bring that you prefer that other characters don't bring??
my favorite character to play as is the lesser wisp
commando is my end all be all, he has much more utility than other survivors
The Common lesser wisp
clay pot
wisps make a lot of sound, you can hear them spawn, hear their movement become more aggressive when aggro'd so you know if they're aggro'd even if you don't see it, hear it charge up its attack, etc. there's a lot you can do to not get hit by one and even then they don't do that much damage so i dont see why they're a problem
cabbage when are you going to complete the all relics monsoon CE as the jellyfish
huh, I always thought of commando as attuned to beginner players (not that I mean to offend) but I haven't met someone who prefers commando :0
what's your fav commando loadout?
which jellyfish
The problem with wisps is that
You cannot hide from them
When they charge their attack all you can do is pray in vain that it will miss you if you make a last second sudden movement
They begin to shoot you the moment they spawn
They scale horrifically
They very easily overwhelm you
bab jellyfish, gotta do the whole thing without attacking
just kill the wisps lol
Why not just shoot them first
you can hide from them by going behind terrain, you know exactly when they're going to fire if you get used to the sound effect so you can move quickly at the last second, they begin to shoot you the moment they spawn but that's not an issue since you can just react to it, and i don't know about scaling because i don't play this game
Moving at the last second doesn't save any survivor but merc
And only if he abuses iframes
you can dodge it with huntress dash even
all characters have a movement ability except engi, no?
@red sable I don't really have a favourite, who's yours?
their scaling is completely fine, I've never ran in to a extremely bullet spongey wisp
Their sponginess isn't what makes them OP, it's their damage
They fire 3 shots and in lategame that's an instant KO since OSP has no buffer
by the time their damage matters you should have so many proc items they're never alive more than .1 second
hahahahah OSP
Time for ThSP
haha funny word only glass spammers use it amirite???
hell by the time their damage would matter they flat out quit spawning because the game has credits for bigger enemies
im proud to be a glass spammer
Imma be honest, I'm still learning the strengths of each character even though I'm comfortable in monsoon runs I still need to know more about characters before atm tho I I'm playing rex and I've warmed up to artificer and merc more lately than before, @odd flax
my question is how tf does anyone like commando
With the Alt skills he's pretty fun
hes very default dan, always at least decent in anyones hands
Ah, I played rex the first time today, sniping with the M2 is really satisfying :D @red sable
i haven't got alt skills so idk about them but the basic stuff seems objectively worse than other characters
Something about commando has always felt really lame to me, it's like he has no impact compared to the others
Commando has 2 utilities that have a lot of different uses
He may have aggressive damage dropoff but that doesn't put him out of the game at range unlike merc acrid or loader
His alt M2 is disgustingly good and an objective upgrade over the default
His OG R is guaranteed stun and scales with attack speed
His alt R is incredible for crowd control and is really fun to use when combined with behemoth
There are zero items that are objectively bad on him (that you would equip on any other survivor)
true that I like it 2, although I don't like the limit on shaped glass due to the characters rellience on health
alt skill commando is actually nice, default commando is a turd sucker
what is alt m2
Shotgun
is it good for killing lots of small enemies since that's what he seems to really suck at early game
8x200%
no his alt R is for aoe, 2 grenades
yes it is disgustingly good and they don't seem to give a fuck that it's an objective upgrade to make his OG any better
Alt Shift is a slide during which you can shoot but only works on the ground. in air it's a tiny jetpack boost. Also a very fun skill
Yeah they upped the damage but it's still dog, imo the damage should go back down and it should be 2 shots like his alt is. Which would make sense since his whole shtick is shooting 2 guns
press ctrl on ground then immediately press jump XD fun
the artifacts update has made me leaps and bounds more happier and positive about this game but there are still multiple IMO fundamental flaws that have still yet to be tackled such as lunar items, lesser wisps, character progression challenges, prismatic trials as a whole, and clay templars
delet lunars
@zenith plinth are you good at essays? I feel like that's a talent you posses
delet lunars
I get good grades on them but hate myself doing them
same
they already fixed clay templars, just quit ignoring items like stun nades and the new armor scrap
just stack teddies 
because that's the answer to every fundamental problem with the enemies in this game
just don't be there
imagine preparing to fight enemies
imagine leaving the spawn pod
Safe, warm, and sticky
lunars don't have to be deleted but i think it's clear that glass artifact proves shaped glass does not need OSP
corpsebloom is still the worst item in the game with a healing cap that just shouldn't exist
lesser wisps shouldnt be shotguns
templars shouldnt be able to track so fast
might be because you play commando that you hate templars
would you rather lesser wisps did all their damage in a single hit
preferably yes because then I'd have a better chance to dodge it
I know the strat to fight templars, that doesn't discount them from being the most dangerous enemy in the game as seen in a community poll here
Armor Plating tho
i'd never say they're the most dangerous
well the community would disagree with you
but i only play characters with good movement
i survived clay templars on stage 5 on all artifacts with 15 teddy bears and 11 armor plates
scavenger is prob most dangerous tbh
you didn't NEED hermit's scarf or chargefield generator or tough times to avoid damage in the first game, so why are monsters in the sequel suddenly so item dependent? What happened to being able to avoid shots entirely by skill alone
missile, overloading, and explosive elites though
having to make a build to counter specific enemies is not a bad thing tonhave in the game
it absolutely is when we're talking about a game that blames YOU for dying in contrast to other roguelikes or difficult games where you can blame the game
using your brain is better than not using your brain
why would you want to blame the game
also i blame ror2 for all my deaths
I don't want to, but a lot of deaths in this game compared to the first are complete bullshit
It feels as though there is a much lower skill ceiling in this game than the first where it should be the complete opposite because in the first one you only had to worry about your left and right sides, and many more items were incredibly strong
teddies are awful game design make them armor instead of a random fuck you chance
you have said yourselves that people's best shots at getting ethereal is by having one of the iframe skills always at the ready but why should we even need iframes to be able to complete that challenge? There was a challenge for miner where you had to get to level 9 without being hit once, and miner doesn't have any i-frames.
ror 1 didnt have hit scan
ror1 was 2d
ror1 didnt have hit scan
that's a hyperthink
when you can see everything obviously it's easier to dodge
not nearly to the same degree at least
your complaining over lesser wisps if you wanna get hyperthinking
miner was also super mobile
and rewarded your aggro by killing the things thatd be hitting you
merc is super mobile, so why does he need iframes
because its 3d so youre gonna get swarmed in 360 degrees by many hitscan enemies
you dont even have to use it as iframe if you really dont want to
go use it to hide behind rocks
and miner doesn't have any i-frames.
you what
you still haven't done anything to disprove the things I have said about lesser wisps, all you have done is laugh.
They swarm you
They are aggressive the moment they spawn
They are hitscan shotguns
They have incredible range and accuracy once they are aggrod
because its hilarious
I played a lot of miner in ror1 they're my fav char and I vividly remember them having 2 cases of iframes
they die to me farting irl
theyre a swarm pressure unit thats easy to deal with as long as youre dealing with them
if you're not stacking glass you'll never die to wisps, delet lunars is the easiest solution
you cant complain about balance in 4 hour runs either, its supposed to be crazy because youre supposed to be crazy
in my experiences wisps completely stop showing up around 1 hour 30 mins~
their strength in long runs is a side effect of one of their primary problems
which is being a shotgun that you cannot see when enough is happening
and depending on which elite type you get, they will still manage to pull off their M1 despite you hitting them
if youre getting smashed with too much to see, you should retreat and pick some off and cool the situation down
otherwise, youre playing merc and should be relishing the chaos
elite wisps still die near instantly, and guillotine ruined elites if you want my personal opinion
malachites and celestines are still very relevant even with guillotine stacks
then theyre doing their job if theyre issues
enemies to have roles to fulfill and its up to you to squash them anyways
by the time malachites and celestines start spawning you should either have enough movement speed items or attack speed items to either get to a safe range or yeet them in to a wall through sheer firepower
but again: yes, item make enemy trivial, yes, i know, that's how this game works
how does that make ethereal any less of a bullshit challenge when you can't play the macro game
??
challenge
because its seeded and really not that hard
sorry, rng*
you know exactly what to expect
even the random rng you can literally just kill them
ive ran this tons of times streaming for friends showing them how to get ethereal because i truly believed this to be one of the easiest weve had in a long time
if you cant kill maybe 7 wisps total without getting hit as merc
I agree, it could have been easy if it werent for wisps on first stage
idk man
you may be a weeaboo genji main but that doesnt mean you can snipe people with your sword before you complete that challenge
i literally havent played merc until now since i got ethereal when the challenge came out
when i did it there were at most 3 wisps near me, excluding the boss fight
i wipe my save often cause i like the rush of unlocking achievements
streaming ethereal on new trial https://www.twitch.tv/ror2cabbage
cabbage is one of the least weeb people in this entire discord and he's done basically every trial since ethereal came out
another kin honor and monster items
i can't see
they turn to wisps when they die
looks like its gonna be impossible huh
oh hey these wisps eventually despawn
it seems twitch doesn't want me to watch :(
cabbage already almost got his cut for ethereal, accidentally touched blazing at very end
hes lookin for items around map again
fr how do you avoid probes
ok buddy
thats prob gonna be the run killer for a lot of people
eh, you still get by in vase
i was thinking maybe dodge it by grabbing fuel cell, get away and then vase to artifact
would that work?
theyre hitting me in vase still so nah
yeah vase is still kind of an ass equipment for that reason
if we can't attack while we're in it but we still take damage why bother making us appear intangible
if you were invincible though
this new trial looks ripe for mercenary achievement
you could just bounce back and forth and avoid playing the game
map 2 is meadow so thats great, probe might be a problem right next to spawn
nobody would pick it up over disposable, preon or capacitor even if that were the case
looking for solutions
is there a shadowfade drop anywhere
im gonna go spin around on loader and look
shrine of mountain, will see what boss changes to
not seeing any lunar pods
no shadowfade, also cabbage didnt get bothered by probe so maybe bit of rng there
i'll upload it on my youtube soon but twitch downloads very slowly https://www.twitch.tv/videos/589666662
you can record and stream at the same time as well
what
hey theres me
saw my chance and took it
wait my discord isnt the same name nvm
sub 3 is def possible, my movement is bad and accidentally left 1st portal a couple times
oh is stage 2 always gonna be a different monster type
no
how did you get lemmies when probes spawned when i did it
changes with time
does that mean i can get something more favorable if i wait until the next difficulty "chunk"
yeah
oh hey
one of em might drop a glacial equipment
b r u h
i waited until the third chunk of "easy"
and got solus probes again
w h a t
this was streamed live on twitch at https://www.twitch.tv/ror2cabbage
so the quality isn't very good but it should still be watchable
twitch -> youtube export actually works pretty well
thanks
i couldnt use vase but i managed to geyser across the map so i just hopped down to artifact zone
i think geyser blocks vase
i watched that video from the mercenary a couple back and im trying to do that but when i try to do the artifact teleporter it doesnt work... can someone tell me why
nvm i got it i was putting in the wrong code lol
Yo, can someone explain Merc's iframes? Can I safely dash through fire enemies or not?
using eviscerate on fire enemies is a safer option
but p sure you can blinding assault them if you hit them at the correct angle/height
flamey boys hurt by simply touching you so ideally if you use blinding assault you want them to be real close and you want to aim up so you hit them but dont run into them or their trail
you guys also prob knew this but you can have flamey beetles finish off those crystals from a safe distance too
I think I can manage a sub4 for this one
#23
most scuffed run in my entire life, I fell to the abyss 3 times life lel
dude on the second stage It didnt spawn lemurians and spawn eye lazer bois
I still did it tho which is good, thats a heads up for ppl
time
why am i getting solus probes
lil better
I wonder if the 2:33 with huntress is legit
@trim meadow u took too long
grab preon behind you
rush TP, clump up the boys and preon them
quickly get to cover while the wisps eventually die
finish charging tp ASAP (like get out of there within 3:15)
optional: get eccentric vase
if you're fast enough, sky meadows' enemies will be lemurians, much easier than solus probes.
quickly get across the stage and over to the computer or use the vase to get across
From there punch in an artifact code and enter the protal
wait there was a preon lol
ye it's on the log over the ledge behind u
sub 3 hooray
This one is annoying but easy.
how do you destroy crystals as loader
punch them
Where are the leaderboards?
How do I submit? @hollow prawn
Loader
I can't kill all these damn probes on 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaNYiOg_4sE
@cyan stratus @minor abyss watch this
this was streamed live on twitch at https://www.twitch.tv/ror2cabbage
so the quality isn't very good but it should still be watchable
apparently there's a preon behind you where you spawn so you can just grab that instead and ignore everything else i did
I got Mercโs special unlock on this, wasnโt actually that bad, didnโt take long.
yeah super easy
just cheese the first TP by letting them seppuku. Then just activate artifact TP and boom, donezo ezpz
oh i forgot about the artifact tp
<3
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Cannot seem to get my time under 4mins for the first stage, Solus Probes snag me every time.
@dawn saddle what class are you using?
Id try and grab the first active item chest next to the first crystal. It has a Eccentric Vase which is good for the first stages crystal and good for stage 2 artifact cheese
Merc, following the link posted.
Found out Fire Elite trails can break the crystals, which can mess with the gold you earn.
But just 1st close crystal, Eccentric to far crystal, kill crystals on the way to tp. either strand on pipe and be patient, or be ballsy
you dont need any gold, starting 50 is plenty.
Don't need any gold?
no why would you?
you can just kite the beetles to jump off stage 1. And stage 2 you just ignore and rush artifact teleporter, no crystals or enemy kills needed
Hm.
you can even kite them all off the map to their death while completely in the zone
just use the pipe, its opieop
ye, see. no gold needed, good stuff famalam
Here I am, getting spit on by Wisps, following an item route, when I can just ungabguna.
Ive taken two damage an Im mad
I caught a Lemurian fireball to the ankle as I set up the Vase.
Oh shit, that'd be good to get to the thing
It's in the equipment barrel near the cave where you spawn
I know and I just stepped in fire and fuck this challenge
This is a dumb unlock amd it should be changed
Oh, I agree. Even to 80-90% HP would be much nicer. But I'll happily cheese it.
yeah this is the easiest challenge ina long long time
Start. Grab Vase, break three crystals using Ultimate, start teleporter, stand on pipe, wobble a bit till all bosses fall off, jump up onto tower in middle to wait out rest of teleporter, stage 1 done.
Then it's just not getting sniped by Lemurians as you take your choice of path to the Artifact Teleporter.
I feel like it'd probably be a good idea to get a decent grasp of his play style before attempting this
For me its solus probes stage 2
I'm done the first stage in under three minutes abusing the ledge.
I dont feel like doing this anymore tbh
No harm in taking a break. Got a good 65HRs before the trial changes.
Thanks for enlightening me on the Ledge Strat, Noll!
The vase couldnt reach
What happens when you get through the gate?
Oh, nothing
Cool
Fuck this challenge still
you can reach but you gotta be kinda close
you can even just jump off the map and use it and insta jump in
game chooses for you
theres a preon accumulator that spawns behind you, you can just use that to clear teleporter map 1. this ones mostly about not blowing yourself up on crystals and not accidentally touching a blazing
map 2 you can go under and hit the artifact gate
some people are getting solus probes map 2, im not sure about what timing getting to map 2 is causing that but either going faster or slowing down, theres lumerians that you can get instead which makes it a lot easier
Got it, thanks
Enough attempts for now. Using the pipe to lure beetles down is godsend for huntress who can't seem to target boss beetles when there are tons of other beetles.
50 sec cheater?
Most likely since tele charge is 90 sec on stage 1
same with those 2 mercs
charge time takes 90 sec
Likely commando too
this trial is super easy to do the merc thingy on
thanks guys!
for anyone struggling, just sit on the pipe next to the teleporter stage 1. I didnt even need anything else. Just walk around it, the beetles will slowly fall off. Jump to the rock if any beetles get close.
Stage 2, just bumrush the artifact thing. Once you're down there nothing follows you or spawns, so you just need to input any artifact code and go in.
preon is pretty useful for the hoard of beetles if you can aim it correctly
make sure you get the eccentric vase
i hopped on a spire and fired it straight down, it killed most of the wisps
nah vase is much better, you dont need the damage. they just jump off. vase is nice to get to the artifact zone faster and safer
ohhh
you can get sub 3 on all characters with it pretty much
I double jumped at the end and took fall damage as the artifact portal opened
I'm gonna sue myself
Honor or Dissonance are probably the fastest codes to type in huh
yeah honor is super fast
honestly that commando is either hacking or just using all the tech
nah cheating, teleporter event is 90 seconds. So unless there is a way to progress the time of the tp without progressing trial time
90 seconds is a minute 30
nah 22 seconds to go from spawns to portals is also nutty
so, you think, that first place - cheater
first place is always a cheater



how tf you avoid tracer mains