prismatic-trials

[slim fiber]

yeah

[shell pilot]

actually yeah whoops i forgot about the kill everything

[slim lintel]

ye

[shell pilot]

been a while since i played

[slim fiber]

the removed the problem of killing all enemies and replaced with having to wait around

[slim lintel]

I personally think the wait area would have been better for 2d and the cleanup enemies better for 3d

[slim fiber]

you can certainly get around faster in RoR2 than 1

[shell pilot]

stages are comparatively smaller

[slim lintel]

also being 3d you have way better sightlines to clean enemies up and spot them

[shell pilot]

or rather mobility is a lot more diverse in 2

[slim lintel]

though that would make chars like merc have a disadvantage over ranged chars but it wouldnt be too bad

[cyan stratus]

i mean are you talking from a speedrunning perspective?

idk why they would balance the game around speedrunning

[slim lintel]

not saying they should

but everyone from casuals to 1337 sp33drunn3rs hate sitting in a red circle unable to do anything

[slim fiber]

plus enemies seem to find their way to you at some point in ror 2

[cyan stratus]

i haven't really played enough of the base game but isn't it either get strong enough to nuke everything or get 1tapped by some elite on the later stages?

[slim fiber]

no matter where they are

[cyan stratus]

so i don't see why changing the current system would make any sense

[slim lintel]

Yeah you're basically right, you're either killing bosses in 10 seconds and waiting around for 120 seconds or you're behind and will probably die soon

especially now that scavengers are in the game and just 1tap you with capacitors and daggers

[cyan stratus]

yea i haven't come across one but i heard they're pretty trash to play against

[slim lintel]

yeah they're kinda a shit addition atm. They either end your run or you can kill the quick enough to stack items on yourself insanely fast and make the game play its self

[slim fiber]

i like the ideas of scavengers, using items against you but

[shell pilot]

some of the items they get are just retarded, namely things like royal cap

[slim fiber]

certain items will just slap you

[shell pilot]

need to add more to the blacklist

[slim lintel]

and when they start picking up 10 teddies at a time becoming virtually invulnerable

[shell pilot]

something that can just instagib you from basically full health (outside OSP) with no way to dodge or avoid it is bad design

i assume scavenger is way too expensive to ever show up in prismatic trials, or is the algorithm different there

just like you never see overloading worm

[slim fiber]

i've never seen scavenger

[slim lintel]

PT's have something going on behind the scenes so idk, since every s2 is an elite boss

[cyan stratus]

i don't play this game enough to know

[slim lintel]

We've never had an imp overlord afaik in a trial

[cyan stratus]

all i know is that prismatic trial worms aren't normal worms

[slim lintel]

or did one show up if you're slow I cant remember

[cyan stratus]

yeah there's been imp overlord but only if you wait long enough

[shell pilot]

1 hour prismatic trial let's see scavenger!

[cyan stratus]

i'm not doing another 5 hour run

[shell pilot]

haha for real you've done a 5 hour prismatic? what was your goal?

[slim lintel]

record a 10 hour trial run for your 200 subscriber special on youtube

[cyan stratus]

my goal was to protest against the state of prismatic trials

[slim lintel]

and instead it got him pinned for months like a joke while all our speedrun vids were ignored

[cyan stratus]

at least my loader wr is still pinned

[shell pilot]

i'm guessing they're refining the base game at this point so it's ready for launch, and will come back to prismatic trials closer to 1.0 launch

is the optimistic excuse

[slim lintel]

I'm hoping next update with artifacts they randomly enable a few of them for each trial for a little spice

[cyan stratus]

yea i liked how trials were with collaboration and everything but the state of them has always been kinda garbage and without any real incentive to play them there's no reason for devs to work on them

[slim lintel]

and since ghor actually came in here and noticed maybe tele angle will finally be seeded

the game also isnt that deep with tech (that we know of at least) so we kinda ran out of interesting new stuff to learn

[shell pilot]

cabbage, have you ever done the merc challenge with HoM clay templars?

[cyan stratus]

no

[slim lintel]

I think clay templars probably have too large of a token cost

[cyan stratus]

but i have no idea why they exist, seems like garbage design

[slim lintel]

clay templars?

[cyan stratus]

running across them in base game was not fun

[shell pilot]

elite templars are absolutely fucking horrifying

[cyan stratus]

yea idk about you but getting launched 300km outside of teleporter zone is kinda garbage

[slim fiber]

What do you think the top 10 reward will be for the prismatic trails when they add them?

[cyan stratus]

if it's just one and you circle it it's fine though

probably a vac ban?

[shell pilot]

lunar coin, who knows

[slim lintel]

What do you think the top 10 reward will be for the prismatic trails when they add them?

[slim fiber]

singular lunar coin

[slim lintel]

rewards are never coming

[shell pilot]

just one

[slim lintel]

if its a skin or skill or literally anything more than a single lunar coin everyone will wah wah

even being a single lunar coin people would probably get mad

[cyan stratus]

it's funny when people come in to complain that the merc challenge is challenging though

wouldn't mind something else to keep this channel interesting

[slim lintel]

Do you pop a smirk every time you come in and see someone saying "merc challenge is actually impossible"

because I sure do

[cyan stratus]

i'd be lying if i said i didn't

[slim fiber]

it's a neat challenge, really difficult but it challenges you to be able to use his I frames well

[cyan stratus]

i don't understand how people can complain about an achievement that can just be hacked in

like if you're so annoyed by it just edit it in

[slim lintel]

I don't understand how people can complain about a challenge that actually lives up to the word challenge

everything else in the game is basically handed to you just for playing

[slim fiber]

i got the 30s in air one from just fighting the boss in Siren's call

[cyan stratus]

even the loader speedrun challenge is easy, isn't it like sub 25 or something

[slim lintel]

yeah lol

[cyan stratus]

should be sub 15

btw you should go get sub 13 it's theoretically possible

if anyone can do it it's you since you're better than me

[slim lintel]

im not tho

you have 180~ more subscribe on utube you're the alpha now

[cyan stratus]

took me like 3 hours to learn loader movement if that's ur excuse

[tough belfry]

by theoretically possible you mean crowdfunder

[cyan stratus]

yea

[slim lintel]

how does crowdfunder save that much time? by making money 0?

Does it really add up that much?

[tough belfry]

-2 seconds per stage

[cyan stratus]

yeah if you have 0 gold it's like 3sec tele or something

that's like the only interesting part of speedruns since you can calculate how much gold enemies give and then go buy something so you're at 0 gold

but if you get crowdfunder it's really fast

[slim lintel]

farming rng tele spawns while waiting in a red circle for up to 9+ minutes doesnt sound like my cup of tea

[cyan stratus]

i mean yeah you're not wrong

i just wish there was more strategy or something involved that was within player control but w/e

[slim lintel]

imagine if they add an item that reduces tele charge time

🦀

[cyan stratus]

every time i see the crab emote i just think of 33.6

that trial was fun

[slim lintel]

wut

[cyan stratus]

dont you remember when if you activated tele before 33.6 you got hermit crabs instead of titan

[slim lintel]

oh yeah lmao

[cyan stratus]

but capping fps to like 30 made it 34 instead or something

wonder if the fps thing ever got fixed but i'm still capped to 60

[slim lintel]

thats one of my proudest moments figuring something that stupid out

[cyan stratus]

yea i still don't know how you did that

[slim lintel]

I had been watching speedrun stuff for other games around that time and kept seeing like wall clips and stuff in older games where you'd overload the game to drop frames and it made me wonder if something in ror2 was tied to fps like that

[cyan stratus]

i mean maybe that's why you clip through the ground sometimes

[slim lintel]

doubt it, games fairly stable in fps most of the time even after/while loading

[cyan stratus]

what i get frame drops all the time

[slim lintel]

unless you're spawning in to 25 magma worms

its because you have soft particles off

[cyan stratus]

like when a vagrant is exploding

ok but soft particles would increase gpu load so why would that make sense

[slim lintel]

increased gpu load for soft particles is probably like 0.1%, hell sometimes stuff like that actually performs better when its on depending on how well everything is optimized

also are you playing on a laptop 'cause idk why popping a vagrant would be dropping your fps

[cyan stratus]

no i have a pretty decent pc

but i get massive frame drops sometimes

[slim lintel]

thats weird that shouldnt be happening at all, this game is fairly well optimized for a unity game

[slim fiber]

i've got a pretty damn beefy pc and it's never had frame drops aside when there's absurd amount of enemies on screen

[slim lintel]

is it only when you're recording? if you're on an i5 / any 4core cpu and recording through it it's gonna make your drop frames

in which case I recommend switching to nvenc

[cyan stratus]

i dont play this game unironically so i never play without recording so maybe that's it

but i think i use gpu for recording

[slim lintel]

Is it nvidia? if so what series

[cyan stratus]

gtx 1080, should be plenty

[slim lintel]

oh thats what I have

[cyan stratus]

yea it should be good enough but idk why i get frame issues

[slim lintel]

bruh you have a 1080 and you're afraid to turn soft particles on

[cyan stratus]

lol im not about to turn up settings when i already have performance issues

[slim lintel]

I'm not joking when I say some games run better on higher settings, that could honestly be your problem

especially with higher end hardware like a 1080

[cyan stratus]

maybe, i'll try it out when i get home

[slim lintel]

Do you keep your gpu drivers up to date?

[cyan stratus]

no

[slim lintel]

and avoid gforce experience like a plague

oh that could also be causing it

inb4 you're on windows drivers

[cyan stratus]

i'm stupid but not that stupid i think

[slim lintel]

it's good practice to keep your gpu drivers at least a little up to date, it doesnt take that long. Just I can't stress it enough make sure it doesnt install geforce experience

[cyan stratus]

i think i have that, why not?

[slim lintel]

it can be a resource hog and can cause issues in games

[cyan stratus]

ok well maybe if i dont get frame drops i can improve settings

[slim lintel]

if you do update drivers (don't do it through experience) make sure you do an advanced install and select "clean install" or something along those lines. Do note it will reset things in your nvidia control panel if you changed anything there though

Also if you're using or want to use nvenc(new) for recording in obs you need to use DDU to fully wipe your drivers in safe mode and reinstall them because that will also cause issues if you're using it

[cyan stratus]

what

[slim lintel]

in obs there's nvenc and nvenc(new) the new one is much more efficient with more options, less resource use, and better quality. However recently something with nvenc(new) requires a fresh driver install from scratch. DDU is a program that safely wipes your GPU drivers and everything that associates with them

[cursive raft]

So who was responsible for the Mercenary: Ethereal achievement, and why are they such a fucking cunt?

[shell pilot]

it's called a challenge, not an achievemnt, and it's exactly what it says on the tin

[cursive raft]

They're the same thing.

[shell pilot]

not at all, achievements these days are usually a bunch of dumb things, while challenge implies some form of difficulty

[cursive raft]

BREAKING NEWS: LOCAL LEMURIAN SPAWNS BEHIND PLAYER, THINKS IT'S SPECIAL

[shell pilot]

lemurians basically can't hit you if you're moving

like, at all, unless you decide to go back to where you were standing

i will concede that lesser wisps are total bastards though

in seriousness, if you need help, a user here, cabbage, runs the ethereal challenge every new seed and uploads the video here which gets pinned, showing you a good route (though you may need several retries for rng), or you can cheese it by hiding and reviving all drones you can

[cursive raft]

You'll notice that in his runthrough of our current trial, Cabbage stands on top of the Vagrant and autoattacks it.

It may be worth noting that every time I do the literal exact same thing, Local Lemurian Decides He's Fucking Special becomes the front header for the day's news for the 500th time in a row.

[slim lintel]

do gooder

[cyan stratus]

just move out of the way

[tough belfry]

you can just slam it if you're bad at not getting hit while attacking it normally

then wait to go to next stage if the stage 2 boss difficulty stuff is necessary

[wind fern]

having trouble completing today's run, any tips?

[cursive raft]

just move out of hte way of the lesser wisp's hitscan and if i get off the vagrant then it immediately hits me with the orb spam attack okay good tips good advice i'll keep it in mind

FALL DAMAGE FROM THE VAGRANT YES

[shell pilot]

you have a double jump, whirlwind on a 2 second cooldown, and 2 dash attacks

[cursive raft]

YEAH LAPSE IN CONCENTRAITON HAPPENS WHEN THE VAGRANT IS THROWING ITSELF AROUND LIKE IT NEEDS TO PEE

i'm not entirely convinced that the height at which you have to fall to start taking fall damage is completely randomised every time you enter the air

[wind fern]

what items should you grab?

[neat anchor]

for this trial

i did it with no item personnaly

[wind fern]

oh ok

[neat anchor]

Check pinned msg from cabbage

Its a nice way to see how its done

[wind fern]

is it todays trial?

[slim lintel]

[cursive raft]

FUCKING FINAL BEETLE GUARD WON'T MOVE

GET OVER HERE ALREADY, WASTING MY FUCKING RUN

[slim lintel]

calm down son its just a video game

[cursive raft]

it's one thing to have this bullshit but fine i get some people get their rocks off on this tryhard maniac shit

WHO WOULD LOCK GAMEPLAY-ALTERING CONTENT BEHIND THIS

[shell pilot]

the skill you get is actual dogshit, don't worry about it

there is literally no reason ever to use it over eviscerate in any circumstance

[zenith plinth]

less damage

slower

[shell pilot]

most importantly no i frames

[zenith plinth]

no iframes

no movement

[tough belfry]

just cheat it

[zenith plinth]

😩

[slim lintel]

Less damage, no iframes, no mobility, and locked behind a challenge that takes a remote bit of effort

thanks hopoo

[zenith plinth]

also small ass hitbox

[shell pilot]

it does look pretty cool, is the only point in it's favour

[zenith plinth]

impossible to hit flying stuff

possible but hard

[cursive raft]

FUCKING STICKY BOMBS MADE THE CRYSTAL EXPLODE ON ME EARLY

YOU CAN TAKE THAT SHIT AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU CAN PUT IT, GAME

WHOSE FIREBALL WAS THAT

[tawdry copper]

angery

[zenith plinth]

lemurians aim like storm troopers tbh

[cursive raft]

VAGRANT

STAY
STILL

spawn two lesser hitscans yeah do that CUNT

[shell pilot]

i get that you're frustrated but this isn't exactly a blog for you to vent on

[zenith plinth]

[shell pilot]

haha don't post a vagrant you'll trigger him

[cursive raft]

FALL FIVE FEET AFTER USING ONE OF MY DASHES, TAKE FALL DAMAGE, YEAH THIS IS THE EXACT KIND OF GAME YOU PUT THE "PLAY WITH COMPLETE AND TOTAL SURGICAL FUCKING PRECISION FOR 10 CONTINUOUS MINUTES" ACHIEVEMENT IN WHERE AN ERRANT BLADE OF GRASS SNEEZING DEALS 1 DAMAGE ISN'T IT HOPHOP

[zenith plinth]

[cursive raft]

yeah lesser wisp spawn just as the loop is charging with literally no possible timing for my r that can avoid both damage instances yeah this is a good game yeah putting nohit challenges in the game where 60% of the items are based around taking damage was a great idea everyone

[shell pilot]

oh my god quit bitching

[zenith plinth]

[shell pilot]

plenty of us have the challenge, so it's obviously not impossible, just get good, be aware of your surroundings, time your cooldowns, and FOCUS.

[sullen glen]

and hate wisp

[zenith plinth]

[shell pilot]

venerate RNGesus

[zenith plinth]

or use shift in a decent way

🤷‍♀️

[sullen glen]

[zenith plinth]

@shell pilot @sullen glen @slim lintel

let us all celebrate

[shell pilot]

great, now you can mute this channel and leave, like everyone else, thanks for stopping by

[cursive raft]

Bring me the heads of Lesser Wisps that we may make a great bonfire

[shell pilot]

even the devs did lul

[cursive raft]

Commando challenges: Literally kill a boss, complete an existing challenge under a new condition

Huntress challenges: Literally find a crowbar printer lol

Engineer, Artificer challenges: Get really really OP in the game all about having fun getting OP

Mercenary challenges: Play with literal absolute fucking nofun 100% godly precision with one hand and give RNGsus the greatest handjob of his fucking life with the other or you're not getting shit

Maybe I'm sensing some bias but I don't think everyone's on the same footing here

[shell pilot]

okay i'm having a good laugh at that analogy, thank you

[cursive raft]

Wow you're right

The ability you get from it is complete fucking ass as well

Huzzah, Mercenary now has a ranged attack!

For all those inconvenient cases where Mercenary, the class with two dashes and air tech and a natural double jump, can't get into melee range!

...Such as never!

[shell pilot]

yeah, it's fine in concept, but the problem is eviscerate ticks every single box: good damage, mobility, iframes, scales well with items etc

can't possibly compare

[zenith plinth]

its just an unfun challenge

i still haven’t gotten it lol

[cursive raft]

Also, just fucking smash a glass bottle against your balls for an hour to unlock the worse special!

Why are you leaving? I haven't even gotten to the lesser wisp spawns yet!

[zenith plinth]

bc i dread having to play so precise instead of playing for fun on the off chance a blazing elite spawning and ruining the run in one hit

[cursive raft]

Behold, my point

This game feels like it was built from the ground up to be played like a reckless idiot just having dumb fun

[zenith plinth]

i think it’s cool for the achievement to be difficult, but it’s too rng based

[cursive raft]

Because I play like that all the time and it works

[zenith plinth]

while also requiring insane precision even if given a good seed

like i tried 6 runs two days ago bc there was a shield gen in the first chest by spawn and only came close once

[shell pilot]

shield doesn't count, you get hit even with shield you're done

[zenith plinth]

really?

[shell pilot]

otherwise you could just wait for transcendence on a seed and laugh as you do it with no challenge

[slim lintel]

Commando challenges: Literally kill a boss, complete an existing challenge under a new condition
Huntress challenges: Literally find a crowbar printer lol
Engineer, Artificer challenges: Get really really OP in the game all about having fun getting OP
Mercenary challenges: Play with literal absolute fucking nofun 100% godly precision with one hand and give RNGsus the greatest handjob of his fucking life with the other or you're not getting shit
Maybe I'm sensing some bias but I don't think everyone's on the same footing here
The real problem here is that all the other challenges aren't really challenges and are handed to you just for playing the game, all challenges should be like the merc challenge where you really have to try for it.

[cursive raft]

All challenges should NOT be like the merc challenge, because the merc challenge is not fun

[zenith plinth]

i mean you can also just laugh at a topaz brooch printer and then get full barrier off one kill

[cursive raft]

All challenges should be harder, yes

Man, the interactions between shields and HP-based effects in this game are really weird

[zenith plinth]

i’m all for challenges being hard but at least let it be in the base game and not prismatic trials lol

or add more into the trials so i feel like playing it

[slim lintel]

prismatic trials are the shit y'all are missing out

It'd be a lot better if people actually just played it like the old days, finding unique routes beating eachothers times back and forth finding new tech

it was great

[zenith plinth]

i mean it was fun after i failed the challenge and just micro’d my pathing

but the achievement is too specific to replicate naturally

[slim lintel]

I wonder if anyone on console has ethereal done

I feel like it'd actually be complete ass being bound by a controller not being able to snap on to wisps etc

[zenith plinth]

yea

[slim lintel]

The merc challenge does feel out of place, I feel like hopoo added it just to test reactions on certain things such a things being tied behind trials and challenges being more engaging and difficult

which obviously failed

[cursive raft]

finally i can go back to my beautiful plantpot

[slim lintel]

As much as I hate gesture we need more challenges like that, you have to go out of your way to realistically get it done and it's actually interesting and fun to do

I really hate how the most recent update had almost no challenges as a kneejerk reaction to skills 2.0

made there be a lot less to do

got tired of the update a lot faster

[shell pilot]

agreed

got the rex and loader skills in like 10 minutes

loader one was ridiculous, you actually just get it the first time you use your charged fist lol, and rex one was just waiting for a dunestrider to show up on aqueduct

[slim lintel]

this line in the dev thoughts makes me really sad

going to be less to do in all the future updates probably

[shell pilot]

yeah i was a bit pissed off

cater to the babies

[slim lintel]

just looping gets so boring, having a challenge to work towards is so much more fun

[cursive raft]

wait, there used to be more unlocks?

unlocking stuff is fun though

[shell pilot]

not according to "the players"

[slim lintel]

most recent update only had what, like 3-4 challenges?

[shell pilot]

ooohhh i just want stuff now i don't want to work on unlocking anythinggg

[cursive raft]

as long as it's not shit like the merc challenge then nudging players to move out of their comfort zone to scoop up new goodies for future runs is in the very essence of rogueliks

most of the current challenges right now are exactly the right difficulty to be easy enough to tilt your run towards without being so easy you do them by accident

hopefully when they add new items they'll put them behind some more challenges

NOT MERC CHALLENGES, I REPEAT, NOT MERC CHALLENGES

[slim lintel]

mostly only the skill ones, most of the item ones you're going to just get passively

[cursive raft]

i dont mind that

who actually dislikes unlocks in a roguelike, the fuck?

Binding of Isaac is like 70% unlocking things and 30% game and that was everyone's JAM for a good while

[shell pilot]

i'm a bit confused myself, i wonder what "players" they were tlaking to, pretty fucking dumb reading that paragraph in the patch notes

[zenith plinth]

yea the challenge system is fun and gives me incentive for playing different characters i don’t touch

especially the skins bc monsoon can just nuke your run sometimes

[slim lintel]

I think that line is hopoo BS'ing when in reality they're running out of ideas for challenges

[zenith plinth]

but like the merc challenge is just too tryhard for a normal difficulty mode lol

[slim lintel]

I've NEVER seen anyone say they want more base game items

[zenith plinth]

yea it’s like the concept of like slay the spire or something, you want good cards in a small deck so you can cycle

adding more items just makes runs more inconsistent bc you can get bad rng for longer even if you’re good

like i got to stage 7 on monsoon with huntress with no syringes or crit but the stage 6 boss took me like 6 minutes to kill

[slim lintel]

well thats mostly because huntress is garbage and way too item reliant

[zenith plinth]

bc you CAN play around the bad item sets it’s just a huge pain

yea i just want her skin

i have probably 30 attempts lmao

all runs ending on stage 5 6 or 7 bc i get no AoE or attack speed/crit

[slim lintel]

her mastery took me the most tries, I wasnt used to things not dying in 10 seconds and having to wait on 20 second cd's that barely do anything

😴

[zenith plinth]

yea her abilities need to scale harder in general

i started picking up shaped glass stage 1 bc i was over not being able to 1 shot wisps

[slim lintel]

also auto aim 🤮

[zenith plinth]

yea the auto aim is a cuck

tfw the stage 1 vagrant has 1 hp but you can’t target it during its fuck you no jutsu move bc there’s a wisp in your LoS

[tawdry dune]

tfw everyone says watch Cabbage vids for Prismatic trials help but you're on console so the trials either slightly match or don't match at all.

[slim lintel]

oh interesting trials are different seeds on console

[indigo snow]

Console doesn't have alt stages yet

So the challenges can't be identical

[slim lintel]

oh good call

[cyan stratus]

yea if the alt stages take 5sec to load on pc it'll take console an entire week

[slim lintel]

this trial easy af for merc challenge almost did it first try

[carmine quarry]

@slim lintel how

[wind sinew]

My main trouble is the overloading magma worm and getting tapped by lesser wisps.

[slim lintel]

well I was gonna make a great meme ethereal run but now the vagrant is just bouncing off the ground taking no damage so it's gonna at the very least be delayed

rip getting in ahead of cabbage

[cyan stratus]

probably not gonna play until very late today so ur good

[solemn fiber]

why'd your pfp an apple cabbage

[cyan stratus]

it's not

[solemn fiber]

but...but thats an apple

[cyan stratus]

it's a cherry

[half kraken]

but.... it looks like an apple

the ones from i wanna be the guy, btw

[wind bronze]

Is there a brooch in the current PT? 🙂

[slim lintel]

no and you really dont need one

[torpid shell]

It looks like an apple when it's really a delicious fruit

[lone crater]

okay bois

how the fuck do we do the no-damage merc run?

[tawdry copper]

1. get barrier
2. watch cabbage's video in pins in this channel
3. pray

[lone crater]

thx lmao

[torpid shell]

4. don't get hit

[lone crater]

for real tho

[cyan stratus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9YNtFisF7c

this one is pretty braindead so if you don't have the achievement go get it

[solemn fiber]

bleh McMateJr

[short orchid]

how did you pop that vagrant so fast?

[shell pilot]

mercs dash can shove air units around, at a spectacular speed. if they collide iwth ground or a wall, basically instakills them

very, VERY useful on wandering vagrants, solus control units and alloy worship unit

you have to hit them at the right angle or something though, doesn't happen every time, i haven't actually figured out how to do it 100% consistently, so if cabbage or anyone else has some tips that'd be appreciated

[slim lintel]

unless you're me and they just bounce of the ground at incredibly high speeds and take no damage

[shell pilot]

my curse is just tilting the vagrants 90 degrees but not actually moving them a lot of the time

alloy worship unit is super easy to smack around though, vagrants are a lot more unreliable for me

[languid needle]

That's a great trial for it

[paper hound]

Can you get an overloading worm in trials

[tawdry copper]

yes, it just depends on the seed

[paper hound]

So your saying theres a chance

[tawdry copper]

yes
though sometimes it involves intentionally waiting and letting difficulty advance so the boss changes

[paper hound]

The time effects what boss you get?

I see I have plenty to learn lol

[indigo snow]

The Overloading Worm you can see in Trials is not the same Overloading Worm you see in base game

So if you're going for the challenge, it won't work here

[paper hound]

I know I learned that the hard way already

[tawdry copper]

i thought Overloading Blazing Worm wasn't a thing? hopoo said that happening in trials was a weird exception

[brazen veldt]

Overloading Magma Worm you mean? If so I saw one a while back on a long run with a friend and he says he's still got the screenshot.

[tawdry copper]

yeah, that

[hearty escarp]

Blazing overloading worm sounds

Fun

[tawdry copper]

but the devs have stated that worms explicitly cannot have elite aspects

though apparently there are occasional extremely weird edge cases

[brazen veldt]

Dunno, just know I saw one

[indigo snow]

Susie

[zenith plinth]

maybe it's a cherry

oh

[icy urchin]

during pts you can sometimes see elite worms

I've seen a glacial one once

[elfin plinth]

flaming magma worm

[pale herald]

is today good for the mercenary challenge

[elfin plinth]

check #prismatic-trials

[pale herald]

i found 2 tougher times in the first area

this appears to be the right channel?

[elfin plinth]

oh wait... i'm blind

check pins here for video

[pale herald]

thank

[little star]

this trial for merc challenge is super ez

[pale herald]

aye even if you're a scrub and can't vagrant kill

thanks for the video!

[tough belfry]

what's the s2 boss if you get there earlier

[cyan stratus]

a vac ban

[ornate bear]

yikes

[slim lintel]

shame I couldn't get my video finished, it would have been like 2 minutes longer and had cat girl ASMR blasting in the background

[slim lintel]

also why you still got soft particles off

[vocal patio]

this game is way too fucking messy to have a no hit challenge.

[slim lintel]

not really

[wind bronze]

Merc has alot of iframes so it's manageable

[vocal patio]

i was just salty because a random spawn got me damaged in a stupid way

[median idol]

TBH it should probably be like 90% health rather than flawless considering how aggravating wisps can be in some seeds

but the current challenge isnt bad

[slim lintel]

it should be "End a Prismatic Trial as Mercenary with 100% barrier"

[solemn fiber]

or just not

because the skill you unlocks worse than the base

[tough belfry]

end a prismatic trial as mercenary with 100% shield

100% of your health being shield

[solemn fiber]

so...get a transcendence, which would require lunar coins.

[tough belfry]

transcendence isn't 100% is it

[solemn fiber]

it replaces all health with shield

thats 100%

[tough belfry]

i thought it left 1

[crisp condor]

yeah it leaves 1

[solemn fiber]

bleh

[graceful wraith]

It just counts the health cap as 1 all your health is shields though

[graceful wasp]

or just remove prismatic trials from challenges

[keen pasture]

Ive been trying for hours today and cant complete the 100% health because of this stupid thing

[half kraken]

they are cute

[keen pasture]

They are bad

[half kraken]

evil*

[keen pasture]

I cant complete the r ability challenge due to them sniping me

[slim lintel]

or just remove prismatic trials from challenges
remove urself

[half kraken]

the challenge is easy

[slim lintel]

especially this seed

[half kraken]

and don't get hit
that's all you have to do

[keen pasture]

I know the challenge is easy, its the fact that they always manage to beam me last second

[slim lintel]

have you tried not letting them do that

[keen pasture]

Ive memorized every spawn location, and the exact time of every enemy <5 minutes timer

and I still let them hit me

[half kraken]

if you let them hit you, you can only blame yourself

[keen pasture]

lmao I know

I've just been trying this challenge for weeks now and I'm tired of the grind

the correct terminology I should of used was manage my b

[half kraken]

you try to do like cabbage ?

[remote sky]

ive reset i dont even know how many times trying to kill the vagrant the way he does in the vid. cant figure it out

[half kraken]

because sometimes it's not the easiest way to do it

do 1 run where you explore the map, and see if you can find some drones
even if you take more time (that mean maybe enemies will touch you), drones can be targeted by enemies, and they can do the work while you hide somewhere

[keen pasture]

I've been sitting on the vagrant's head slashing it, it wont attack you from there just stand on it

and the zero I run to pick up the laser weapon, destroy the 2 time crystals there by the shore, running to the tele, destroy the crystal by it and one tapping half the bosses with 4 items

this thing, the fire band, ap rounds, and 2 guillotines

[slim lintel]

if you're really stacking items like that get 1 guillo and the uke, preon sparks/blast proccing uke is better for cleaning up than a extra guillo

[keen pasture]

I thought about it but I've been swift striking the imps clearing them up. but I guess its worth a shot

[graceful wasp]

I’m just saying there’s only the one prismatic trial survivor challenge and its a pretty bs one

[remote sky]

after an hour of attempts im throwin in the towel lol

guess im pretty trash with merc

[median idol]

just play loader instead lul

[graceful wasp]

lulll

[keen pasture]

just killed the boss without taking damage

I walked over 1 pixel of fire

[slim lintel]

2b is chinese propaganda now btw are you a chinese spy

[keen pasture]

我把這個放在谷歌翻譯中

[slim lintel]

fbi notified

[keen pasture]

thank you lmao

I've been doing this one prismatic challenge for 4 hours now

[orchid marsh]

Is Merc or loader faster on the current trial

[cyan stratus]

not really no

[wooden prism]

Rex can be pretty fast on the current trail just as a FYI

[tough belfry]

rex is always fast

i think merc is probably faster than loader but both bad

[wooden prism]

agreed! but alll I can see in top 20 are loaders and mercs :/ im the only rex

[tough belfry]

merc can't get <2:10 so they're cheaters probably

or merc can get <2:10 but i don't want to try

[orchid marsh]

damn rex is really fast

hitting the first crystal is super annoying tho

[slim lintel]

rex should always be sub 2 at the very least

[orchid marsh]

Are the sub 1:50 times cheating or is there a super secret strat I don't know about

[tough belfry]

the super secret strat is being fast

anything other than rex sub 2 is cheated except loader on some trials that aren't this one

[slim lintel]

damn you were right about the first crystal though, that's the most obnoxious crystal I've ever seen

this trial could go down to ~1:30 easy but it's not fun to play at all

first crystal is butts s1 and s2 is just eugh

[orchid marsh]

Nice time

[solemn fiber]

im still fucked on tryna get this one because wisps

[slim lintel]

did you know wisps can't shoot you if they're dead

[zenith plinth]

that’s impossible

[graceful wraith]

Switch prismatic trial starts on sirens call for anyone having trouble getting loader

[solemn fiber]

this one does too

[icy girder]

Why am I so bad, I can't even get ethereal even on this "braindead" seed

I seriously don't understand what I'm doing wrong, either, every time I fire off the preon into the group ONE blazing imp lives out of all of them

[pearl onyx]

how much longer is the seed live?

[icy girder]

16 hours

[icy girder]

Someone help me PLEASE

How are you even supposed to do this challenge

[elfin plinth]

Watch cabbage

[icy girder]

I have

[tough belfry]

wait for it to move off the raised thing

[graceful wasp]

12 hours left for this easy seed

almost did it first try oof

ukulele and kjaros band is good items you can get first stage

ok this is my first stage loadout incase anyone wonders. the guillotine is for the next stage where the boss is elite imps

just gotta be faster

[graceful wasp]

you dont need guillotine, just use preon and stand on the rock right by the teleporter. wait for them all to collect themselves together under the rock and press q

they will die anyway, as long as you are fast enough and they dont get too strong

i did it in 3:25

@grim wind my loadout was ukulele, kjaros band and tri-tip dagger. my equipment was preon. i used mercs first m2 (the spin one)

[indigo snow]

@icy girder ^

[grim wind]

why not rising thunder?

[graceful wasp]

it doesnt matter too much, you can just go a bit faster with his first one

[grim wind]

oh ok

[graceful wasp]

so i picked speed over jump heighht

basically just use the slam on the vagrant using your shift, killing him fast

[grim wind]

where this vid at

[graceful wasp]

check pins

[grim wind]

ty

how tf did he 3 shot a vagrant

[graceful wasp]

just bap bap him into the ground with shift

[icy urchin]

ooo, first map is SC? I'm gonna farm it for the awu log

[grim wind]

wattttt

[indigo snow]

Merc's shift has knockback associated with it

So like in the video you bap bap Vagrant towards the ground and when he hits it he takes a bunch of damage

Unless you're Forgot

Then he bounces

[grim wind]

im hitting the floating nutsack and it hits for no damage and he goes flying wtf

[slim lintel]

I listened to so much cringy cat girl asmr while trying to get that meme merc run and all for nothing because that vagrant

[grim wind]

being ruined for a shitty ability

[slim lintel]

nah I got it in the first trial, I was just trying to undermine cabbages youtube empire

[tough belfry]

you would still just get like 50 views though

[grim wind]

brag elsewhere thanks

[slim lintel]

nah my merc challenge vid has like 500

[tough belfry]

wtf you actually do

[slim lintel]

this is literally a channel for bragging but ok

[grim wind]

whirlwind or thunder

[tough belfry]

where are my views

[slim lintel]

you didnt sell out enough

[grim wind]

i did it with thunder but took damage, whirlwind i cant get the fucking shift off for some fuckery reason

brag to me about how you did it

[slim lintel]

sorry I don't help people with JaysBigNut in their name

[grim wind]

so you chose death

[slim lintel]

lmao 9 posts in top feedback about ethereal

[zenith plinth]

2:42 as arti

[slim lintel]

fun fact: arti can get sub 2min this trial

if you want I can make a vid, try to keep the art of arti trials alive even though this one isnt very interesting

[indigo skiff]

@slim lintel Please do, I've been trying to improve my arti for awhile.

[slim lintel]

@indigo skiff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEmgImDloYo here ya go

would have actually beat my crappy rex time with arti if I would have expected the preon to get everything

have to use alt M2 for its sleeker hitbox on the 1st crystal s1 and the long range crystals s2

[indigo skiff]

Tyty

[cyan stratus]

this trial is 1/6 not 1/7

[slim lintel]

I know I messed up I already updated it right after I posted it

[slim lintel]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWWm313jascrjtPezOlX5tQ

[tough belfry]

not real rex speedruns disappointed

[slim lintel]

blasting a daft punk remix at peak volume is a bold move

[shy pecan]

trails

is this seed fun?

[slim lintel]

not a very fun seed tbh

ends in 3 1/2 hours too

[icy urchin]

I killed the awu like 20x and still no monster log

it drops an aegis btw

[slim lintel]

Yeah I also farmed it about 20x with no luck, idk if logs can actually drop in trials or not

[zenith plinth]

Im gay

[graceful wasp]

same

[shy pecan]

i’ll try the next one then

[zenith plinth]

this is so frustrating

why do you have to go through the menu every time you take a hit

[violet aurora]

I really should do the Merc challenge, its one of the last things left for me to do in the current build. I take it this isn't a good seed to try it on though

[zenith plinth]

someone told me it was in general

[violet aurora]

What does this seed have that makes it viable?

[zenith plinth]

there isn't much you have to do

you can cheese both bosses

have you watched the vid?

[violet aurora]

No?

Got a link?

[zenith plinth]

most recent pin

[violet aurora]

Thanks

[zenith plinth]

np

it aint easy, I'm still trying

[orchid garden]

Random question, how hard will merc trial be if u main merc for a long time

I wanna do it at some poijt, but i keep forgetting

[zenith plinth]

its still hard as fuck

[orchid garden]

Its the one where u try and take no damage right?

Hmmmmmmm

[zenith plinth]

yeah

[orchid garden]

Eehhhh ill prolly still forget about it

[cyan stratus]

if you've played a lot of merc it's easy

otherwise it's just learning

[zenith plinth]

cabbage, I have a question about the cool m2 thing you do

is it a viable way of getting around in regular gameplay? like, can it be applied to all kinds of different slopes, and not just specific ones you know?

[graceful wasp]

as long as it kinda slants up you can fling yourself up on them yeah

[delicate portal]

will rex always be the best in pris trials

[cyan stratus]

@zenith plinth i don't play merc in base game but it works on a lot of slopes

[violet aurora]

Eh, half an hour to git gud enough to pull off the vagrant splat
I'll wait until the next "easy" one

Weird challenge either way. All the others are straight forward then you've got this one asking a lot of you

[slim lintel]

huntress crowbar challenge is worse, I spent a longer time trying to get that than I did ethereal

and I still havent gotten it

[cyan stratus]

im tilted because of malachite imps so someone else go record ethereal for this trial

this game sucks

[graceful wasp]

its been 14 minutes cabbage dont do this to them

they need you :(

[slim lintel]

wdym you're tilted by malachite imps

[graceful wasp]

everyone gets tilted by malachite

[cyan stratus]

been doing some 20 stage runs for """"fun"""" and 20th boss is always some garbage

doesn't look like anyone runs it on speedrun.com because the top time is like 48min

but idk it's just not a fun category to run

[slim lintel]

well s1 is a dunestrider with no equip and I don't have the patience or care to deal with that so I guess no vid

[cyan stratus]

lol i'll do it when i untilt in a couple hours

[slim lintel]

ok I'll save you a lunar coin the pod is just canal beads

[slim lintel]

So for the 20 stage run do you actually pick up items after tele or is it still tele rush and leave asap

actually you run it in drizzle dont you probably dont need items

[cyan stratus]

nah if you want a good time it's just tele rush with lunar pod / blue portal rng

but you cant bruteforce past stage 13 if you get bad rng

[solemn fiber]

no items huntress stage 20 gl

or, transcendence rex stage 20

[shy pecan]

no items wew

2nd one is probably doable with enough patience

[slim lintel]

no items huntress sounds like a punishment reserved for hell

her damage is already shit

actually #1 feelsgoodman

I think this may be the first sub 1:20 trial

[cyan stratus]

no i got that already when new ability came out

[slim lintel]

o

[graceful wasp]

Poor mr sir man

[slim lintel]

whats better 10% crit or 15% damage

[cyan stratus]

10% crit because if you get lucky its 100%

[shy pecan]

10% crit brings average damage up to 110% so if the 15% increase is consistent it's better

cabbage would be right but playing trials over and over for perfect luck sounds like suicide

[slim lintel]

But if we don't grind out shitty rng what else are we gonna whine about

[shy pecan]

the leaderboards

[dire fulcrum]

Is Ethereal doable on the current seed? I've found 2 brooches and, of course, the tesla coil on the first stage, but the 2nd boss seems like a run killer.

[shy pecan]

it's been doable on every other seed

[dire fulcrum]

Well, yeah, but I mean realistically. Without burning myself out to the point I don't come back for the next update.

[shy pecan]

try for yourself or ask cabbage nicely to make a video ig

if one gets made it'll be pinned

keep in mind the seed is brand new

[dire fulcrum]

True. I was just mainly asking in case there were any major, obvious items I missed that would help with it.

[cold thorn]

Did you get both brooches in the first area

[dire fulcrum]

Yeah.

Haven't really explored the second one too much, though.

[cold thorn]

second area for sure has one brooch

wait nvm im not sure because i had used the newt altar to get the alt area

second floor has a brooch in a healing box next to a time crysta

[slim lintel]

just newt altar grab the meteor and camp off stage

[cold thorn]

lel

[slim lintel]

there's a decent chance thats what cabbages vid will do but idk

[reef violet]

Im happy with 16th for now

Maybe I'll try some more later

[dire fulcrum]

Ok, so visiting the shop and not forcing the stage rerolls the items so there's at least one brooch and a frost relic in regular chests next to the cave, but the boss is now a blazing imp overlord.

[solemn fiber]

ha

[cold thorn]

the other one is a blazing jellyfish

forgot the bosses name

[dire fulcrum]

Wandering Vagrant?

[tawdry copper]

wandering vagrant?

[cold thorn]

ye

i went to Basic and a bunch of other stuff since playing last so i kinda forgot

[dire fulcrum]

Does forcing the stage that it already rolled get a different outcome than getting it naturally?

[shy pecan]

yep

well it should

if it follows the trend of "blue portal changes everything"

[dire fulcrum]

So are there 2 or 3 outcomes for the stage you're supposed to get for the second one?

[shy pecan]

but it also depends on which naturally you mean

it's probably different from s2 you get to through the teleporter

but idk if it's different from s2 through blue portal w/o forcing

and yes there are lots of stage outcomes, but if you're trying to maximize time they'll never be worth it

[dire fulcrum]

Is it because of the time needed to reach the altar or...?

[shy pecan]

yes

also time doesn't pause in pt

so you're wasting 20-30 seconds minimum to visit the shop

[dire fulcrum]

Huh. I wasn't aware that it didn't pause.

[shy pecan]

because not only do you have to buy what you want but you also have to sit through another round of teleporting

they might have changed it in the update but last time i checked time didn't stop

[dire fulcrum]

Just confirmed. It does not stop.

Ok, so forcing the stage that would have already been picked results in the same outcome as getting it naturally after going through the shop.

[cold thorn]

no its not

the natural one has titan forced is imp

[dire fulcrum]

Yeah. I meant that there are 2 outcomes on that stage, not 3.

Going through the shop rerolls it, forcing the stage doesn't do another reroll.

[cold thorn]

whats the bonus on focus crystal

[tawdry copper]

15% bonus damage to targets within 13 meters of the player
(stacking increases damage bonus, not effective distance)

[cold thorn]

thanks

god this is super fuckin annoying

trying to get ethereal

[slim lintel]

unpin it I'm at least #2 by now due to a hacking huntrass

[cyan stratus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ObVGlJ6JnM this is my first attempt of this route so it's a bit slow but w/e

[little star]

good stuff cabbage

[solemn fiber]

cabababbbaababa

[stark shoal]

ty man

[cyan stratus]

np

[sullen glen]

tesla + topaz is godlike seed

[crude fable]

This is a pretty good trial

4 Reds.

Tesla, Frost Relic, Clover and Afterburner.

Not complaining.

[indigo snow]

This looks like one of the easiest trials for Ethereal yet

Tesla coil + brooches gave you basically a passive barrier for most of the titan fight

Narrowly dodged the two lemurian shots right before warping away though

[carmine fulcrum]

Is the prismatic trial the same on all platforms ?

[graceful wasp]

im pretty sure they aren't, as console is an update behind than pc

[slim lintel]

I think they're very similar unless it has one of the alt stages

[wheat magnet]

anybody got an idea how to get through this prismatic trial without getting hit from the clay dunestrider. the passive barrier strat isnt working against it. (ping me)

[visual shale]

For me, staying in the air seems to do the trick. I activate the flying item and just dodge the urns he throws at you, then go back to damaging. If he goes back down to heal, I sprint away and by the time he is done, I have enough overheals from the wisps he killed. Tho like I manage to do it once every 4 runs or so @wheat magnet

Also I saw mentions of more red items, can I find them in a "normal" run or do I have to go to the bazaar?

[visual shale]

Ok so there is a third topaz brooch in the healing chest next to the one that gives you the ring in the second stage, which helped a lot, tho I haven't managed to do it yet

[visual shale]

And I did it! Thanks for the video, it was very helpful!

[wheat magnet]

@visual shale how did you beat the titan without getting burned

[visual shale]

so, you need three brooches, otherwise I found that you get burned too easily
The third one is just on the way, so it shouldn't be an issue
And I found you get burned by staying next to the titan's feet/legs, so you have to either stay next to his head by spamming attacks, or just fly around him with the item, however you can only use it once unless you retreat
or you're very good at dodging, the issue is elder lemurians that just vomit fire on you

sometimes it's good to retreat (and by retreat I mean just stay on the same rock level thing, but far away from the titan) so that you can shock some enemies and get some good overheals again, and go back to slicing

Also a bit ||Lots and lots and lots ;__;|| of luck on the spawns, so that you get small critters to spawn in a cluster right under the titan, for overheals
@wheat magnet

[orchid marsh]

my first completed run

[runic light]

guys what the fuck is the trick to getting the merc abilit from these trials

i would consider myself a pretty decent player, i only play on monsoon and do pretty well each time i start a run but this is the only unlock in the game that evades me

[elfin plinth]

Check pins here

[runic light]

o dope

[reef violet]

Wew lads

Shaved a min off of my 3:50 thanks to coil

2:55.57 now

Trying to go super minimal items route

I go for coil, focus crystal, and maybe pauls hoof with loader

[slim lintel]

play rex and get a sub 1:20 so I have a reason to play

[zenith plinth]

3:27 AS ARTIFICER

caps

[slim lintel]

this is why arti always has been and always will be the coolest trial character, you can actually utilize setups instead of basically having noclip

[gloomy crane]

Nice, i always thought if there is a way to mod a custom map into the game

And just base it around those kind of tricks

[velvet dew]

what time does prismatic trial reset, this seed seems like a good one to get the merc skill unlock, but im stuck at work

[zenith plinth]

2 days

[velvet dew]

is there a limit to how many tries i do or is it only 1 completion? not sure how it works, only got the game somewhat recently

so please excuse my ignorance

[zenith plinth]

all the attempts you want

else we'd all be screwed haha

[velvet dew]

oh thank god

[violet aurora]

This seems more doable than the last. No tricky skills like the shift splat this time

[zenith plinth]

2nd stage is abyssal depths so watch out for crabs

[reef violet]

Too busy flying to get hit

[zenith plinth]

after slight optimizations

with the same route i can probably do 2:45-ish

i got very unlucky against the stone titan as it launched me up right when it died

and i went like much more high than usual

[orchid marsh]

@slim lintel got a vid of that time?

[slim lintel]

what time

the rex one? no. I'm gonna try for a sub 1:20 as it should be pretty easy and I'll upload that if I get it

[violet aurora]

Ugh. Even with this set up I'm not good enough

I get little nicks from wisps or nothing is around when the tesla is ready

Christ this challenge is frustrating. Not sure why you can't be hit even once

[cyan stratus]

there is brooch so you can get hit plenty

[zenith plinth]

ye nah ethereal can suck my nuts

[violet aurora]

Same. The brooch is nice but I keep finding myself in a position where no monsters have spawned and the boss gets a quick slap on me

Its just weird how all the skill unlocks are fairly reasonable and then you have... this.

[slim lintel]

huntress crowbar challenge is worse

[zenith plinth]

if you play normally you'll eventually find a printer

that's a super passive challenge

[slim lintel]

thats way more rng than ethereal

and you have to play a shitty auto aim no dps character

[violet aurora]

No it isn't. Etheral requires you to not get hit for two whole maps, bosses and all unless you have brooches and a ton of luck to trigger their effect at the right time.
Crowbars are a common item and printers are everywhere in a long run

[orchid marsh]

Yeah I meant the rex one

[cyan stratus]

with ethereal you just have to not get hit while with the other challenge you have to play huntress

[violet aurora]

Fair point, Huntress is probably the most annoying class to play as

[shy pecan]

huntress is fun you guys i swear

[graceful wasp]

Huntress is fun as long as you get mobility and healing items from the very start else she just a squishy gorl that everything aggro’s on

[solid pelican]

wait where's the clover at?

[slim lintel]

staying alive isnt an issue with huntress, killing literally anything is

[graceful wasp]

Idk I’d say staying alive is a small issue atleast

[zenith plinth]

I want to believe you when u she is fun, but getting rekted for an entire run wasnt so much fun

[slim lintel]

[reef violet]

Huntress is good as long as you get good items for her

[solid pelican]

@crude fable how'd you get a 57 leaf?

[violet aurora]

How the hell do you not get burnt by the golem? I take fire damage no matter what

Why am I even doing this

Nah, to hell with this. I've got better things to do

[zenith plinth]

Huntress is one of the more item reliant characters

[violet aurora]

^ Yeah, she's brutal on Monsoon

Nice when she's got a bunch of weak enemies clumped together though

[zenith plinth]

Little disciple is god tier on her, but the problem is getting it lol

[crude fable]

@solid pelican 2nd stage. In Abyssal Depths. If I remember there's 2 chests right under this overcast. On of the chests has the Clover. I'll quickly confirm it for you.

I guess while I do this I'll mark the locations of all 4. Tesla on the 1st stage. Frost Relic, Clover and Afterburner on 2nd stage.

[flat tinsel]

can you go into bazar and change the second map?

does that count?

[cyan stratus]

no reason to

[elfin plinth]

They want to feed newt the donuts

[crude fable]

Ohhhh

I'm so sorry.

People are like, What do you mean FOUR reds??

@solid pelican @worn mural @flat tinsel @cyan stratus

Yes, the newt altar gives you an additional map to work with.

So for this seed there's the Main Stage #1. Main Stage #2. Plus the Newt Market and additional Stage #2.

You must trigger a newt altar in stage 1. If you run up the slope from spawn, right next to a crystal, there's one.

Scorched Acres - Stage 1

In case you don't already know where it is. Tesla Coil is here.

You have to go through the blue portal after teleporter.

Just hop in, hop out. I have not explored Siren's Call, so idk what's there.

Abyssal Depths - Stage 2 (After Blue Portal)

Frost Relic is found the moment you exit the tunnel.

In Green.

47 Leaf Clover is found under the overcast, on ground level. As I said before.

Roughly here.

[flat tinsel]

thanks @crude fable

[crude fable]

And lastly.

[flat tinsel]

bazar alternative is siren's call with a blazing vagrant

[crude fable]

Afterburner is found on the other side of the map. Near the teleporter.

Hereish ^ in the large chest.

This seed is probably one of the more fun ones.

[flat tinsel]

definitely is for me

[crude fable]

Whee.

Also to all the rude folks dming me on where they are, there.

I swear I'm not hallucinating.

[elfin plinth]

Oof

[flat tinsel]

do you mean merc challenge?

ah

im working on it myself, but im going for sirens call

i activate newt on 1st

yeah thats why im not even trying

sirens call seems much more doable

from the few tries ive given it

a blazing vagrant

but you get a lof of little enemies

to farm brooch shield from

not really atm

dont need to i think

im recording it on twitch, ill let u know once i get it

[shy pecan]

this seed kinda ass

got a really nice 1:15 huntress s1

but bad times other than that and s2 makes me sad

[flat tinsel]

im sad as well

doing merc challenge runs and i crit the beacon without crit items

and it tags me

on stage 2

[solid pelican]

this is that Good Feeling Shit

biggest shout outs to cabbage's vids for explaining that they're easy and that the strat is to not get hit

it works if you don't get hit

[thin timber]

Gg, but next time disable the color filter when screenshotting :D

[solid pelican]

yeah i was too lazy

and excited

lol

[indigo snow]

Damn

Someone actually took Cabbage's tips

And applied them correctly

[elfin plinth]

Whoo someone used cabbage tips

[indigo snow]

His advice really does work if you don't get hit

[little star]

look

u copy cabbage's steps

and ur all gucci 👌

[delicate portal]

what is the rex loadout that people use for trials?

[thin timber]

Both of the skills that cost HP

[delicate portal]

the default one?

[thin timber]

The M2 that does damage overtime has been buffed to not cost hp

This I think

[orchid marsh]

The one true rex load out

[violet aurora]

I mean, I want etheral but not enough to just hope a blazing titan won't clip me. Pretty sure they'll release another easy seed sooner or later.

[jade shell]

I feel like I'm not gonna be able to do the prismatic trial even with the seed and pinned messages 😦

[visual shale]

Once the titan spawns, take your time
Use the same loadout as in the video, and remember to get all three topaz brooches
And you should also be able to get the "Stay 30 seconds in the air" trophy too, if you didn't get that already

[jade shell]

@visual shale problem: I can't get past the first area

I just have trouble with that clay dunestrider

Update: I finally was able to actually beat clay dunestrider

I'm not sure what to do about that elder lemurian though

lost to the stone titan

[jade shell]

I've been spending way too much time on this and I can still barely get past clay dunestrider 😦

[violet aurora]

It does feel pretty luck based

Even with the (very helpful) videos

[zenith plinth]

juggling knives is luck based if you don't know what you're doing

[violet aurora]

Its more the flame damage thing

It seems to trigger whenever it wants in the titan fight

[cyan stratus]

you get burnt when you touch the fire

[ripe lantern]

Cabbage, are you gonna submit a run for SGDQ

[jade shell]

Juggling knives?

[jade shell]

What's in the bazaar between time for this prismatic trial?

[jade shell]

I never knew I would dislike a boss just for a prismatic trial

[cyan stratus]

@ripe lantern a run?

you mean a speedrun

ror2 isn't a good speedgame and wouldn't be any fun to watch

[jade shell]

anyways time to keep trying

this elder lemurian is partially making this more painful

[cyan stratus]

you can just kill it

[jade shell]

I probably should've done that lol

[slim lintel]

no one wants to watch someone sit in a red circle after swinging to the tele in 2 seconds

[cyan stratus]

more than 2 if it's a one time run on a random seed

[jade shell]

yeah

okay so I kill the elder lemurian before anything else

[jade shell]

I'm starting to get the hang of this

can't find the afterburner 😦

[finite glade]

its right here

its possible to get achievement

[elfin plinth]

yes

[finite glade]

u need double broach

[jade shell]

I got the achievement already but

well the sky one

[finite glade]

im tryin to get it

[jade shell]

just using it to try and survive the stone golem if possible

seems like it'll just add to my dps if used properly

[finite glade]

its random boss

i got an imp overlord

[jade shell]

wait what?

I've exclusively gotten stone golem

[finite glade]

and another time i got a vagrant

[jade shell]

pretty sure it's supposed to be identical?

[finite glade]

well the vagrant i was on that other stage 4

idk the name

my problem is the dunestrider

i can' kill it fast enough

i get it to 25% then it burrows and thats when it hits me

theres never any enemies around so my broach doesnt proc

[jade shell]

my tip for that is just hiding behind the crystal

[cyan stratus]

just get it below 25% when it's up, it only goes up when facing you so circle it a bit, then get it under and run until it goes down and starts sucking

[jade shell]

I actually can't find the hardlight afterburner...

[finite glade]

its in hell

i can show u if i get a top down map of it

[jade shell]

yeah let me get that

just uh where is it relative to the hell teleporter?

[finite glade]

no

its to the left

behind that rock

[jade shell]

to the left of spawn or the teleporter?

[finite glade]

THE RICJ

ROCK

[jade shell]

agh

so I found Dio's best friend but not that....

[finite glade]

thats where i found it onc

[elfin plinth]

dio for ethereal

[finite glade]

this time i got a fire drone

[jade shell]

yes dio for ethereal

best item possible

[finite glade]

dio is in the legendary chest

[jade shell]

yeah

[finite glade]

i gotta get off but i can't kill the dunestrider

its too hard

[jade shell]

yeah that was the first 2 hours for me as well lol

[finite glade]

for ethereal or regular?

[jade shell]

ethereal

trying to do the hell part

[finite glade]

did u get double broach

[jade shell]

yes

[finite glade]

u only take fire damage from his trail

as long as u doge the normal attacks ur fine

[jade shell]

I went: gasoline, armor piercing rounds, primal instincts, broach 1, broach 2, crowbar, tesla thing, and glasses

[finite glade]

i just sit ontop of him

what time r u on him

[jade shell]

5 minutes I'd say

wait you can just sit on top of the stone golem?

[finite glade]

u can sit on his back

but he turns around

and his ground pound is global

[jade shell]

crap

[finite glade]

yeah i have crobaw tesla glasses amor rounds 2 broach and a war horn

join prim ill show u my route

[jade shell]

yeah

[jade shell]

darn I really can't find this

[visual shale]

Cabbage are you a speedrunner?
Also are you still trying?

[jade shell]

@visual shale haha yes

[visual shale]

oh no
How much time is left?

[jade shell]

12 hours maybe?

[visual shale]

alright

so uh, are you still struggling with the dunestrider, or can you do it consistently?

[jade shell]

I can do dunestrider fairly consistently

[visual shale]

that's good

[jade shell]

now it's the occasional elder lemurian, and the stone golem that really mess the run up

as in the boss

[visual shale]

does the elder lemurian spawn in the boss zone?

[jade shell]

no it just gets really annoying when I need items

[visual shale]

Hmm
Mine used to spawn roughly when the bell enemy spawned, when you go for the last crystal

and are coming back for the brooch

[jade shell]

I'm going for the brooch + band

couldn't find the hardlight afterburner so...

[visual shale]

oh and the band too yea

I didn't know it was in

But keep in mind it might be in the rerolled hell

by going to newt
I don't know though

[jade shell]

so does the boss change?

for rerolled hell?

[visual shale]

Yea, but you get a fire imp

[jade shell]

not sure if that's worth it

[visual shale]

I think it's harder
yea

[atomic bison]

dunestrider can be cheesed by standing on edge of bridge and letting tesla kill it

0 attacks needed

[jade shell]

interesting

[atomic bison]

I'm struggling to not get hit on initial fire feet from 2nd stage

[jade shell]

yeah

at this point I'm just dying to wisps

well not dying

just taking 1 damage to them

[atomic bison]

stand on ledge and wait for 0 combat first stage

[jade shell]

well then: I pause my game right before a lemurian fire ball. just great

[visual shale]

So I'm not sure if cheesing is worth it because enemies will get stronger, which means critters are harder to kill later, which means less overheals
You should focus the stone titan only if you got enough overheals, wait till the imps spawn so you get some overheals to spawn him, and as the overheals go down, look for critters, they should be swarming the place anyhow
Remember to fly if you're about to lose all the overheals and you see no critters, you can still do damage and dodge decently, plus the war horn makes you swing faster
And remember to be lucky

[jade shell]

yeah....

not sure exactly how the stone golem works

so I just can't hit his legs and I should be fine?

[visual shale]

you have to stay away from his legs and feet

[jade shell]

sounds hard to accomplish

[visual shale]

use the R to aim at his head, if you have little overheals or you feel like you're falling down, use the third slash to get away from him

always keep an eye on the punches, and if he uses the laser eye you kinda have to cheese? Like, you have to have your shift or R to dodge it

[jade shell]

wouldn't necessarily consider that cheese but I think I get the point

[atomic bison]

i don't get when the crystal shoots from near his head

[visual shale]

He shoots crystals when he stands still for a moment and he creates that ball
If you didn't mean that, then I have no clue either, usually moving fast should be enough to dodge though?

[jade shell]

is abusing crystals for overheals a good strat?

[visual shale]

That I'm actually not sure about
Just be lucky and don't let him use it 👀

Don't think you can do that, what do you mean?
Because by the time you leave, you lost the overheal already, no?

[jade shell]

I guess

[visual shale]

Like uh
Lemurians are dangerous if you run away from them, you need to strafe
The bell enemy is dangerous if you're slow and if you're somewhat close
Elder lemurian is just a big fuck no try to run away, you gotta get away from him, but also dodge his fireballs ||Also he just melts you in a second in a normal||
Uhh, imps teleport to you and slash a stupid wide area, not sure if just jumping works, but staying behind/or to the sides, or just far enough should help

[cyan stratus]

@visual shale i dont speedrun prismatic trials anymore but i upload ethereal achievement for each one if thats what you mean

[jade shell]

I feel like this prismatic challenge isn't supposed to be challenging at all compared to others

[visual shale]

No I mean like, speedrunner in general