💀
#gd2-nullified
burnt path
topaz snow
and you make my stomach TURN
solar sparrow
using mobile turrets is blasphemy to engineer mains
topaz snow
i love how this chat was dead and just exploded the second someone called mobile turrets disgusting
high torrent
what is even blasphemy
solar sparrow
bc they ARE
burnt path
🩴
topaz snow
what is even blasphemy
when the number of blasphemies add up to a number that can be divided without fractions
burnt path
mafs
high torrent
mobile turret knows where it is at all times
mobile turret knows where it is by substracting from where it is isnt
burnt path
👀
solar sparrow
mobile turrets be like what if i got instakilled by mithrix
solar sparrow
stationary be like what if i sit on this ledge and mithrix cant hit me
high torrent
imagine not taking ruin for mithrix
burnt path
ew ledges
high torrent
ledge users when they are asked to play the game
solar sparrow
mobile turret players are the betas of the engineer mains
burnt path
🩴
high torrent
imagine being a main of the 3rd most boring class in the game
burnt path
cant be me
solar sparrow
thats subjective, at least im not scared to hide my main
burnt path
they do be unofficial doe
high torrent
also white goes well with current pfp
solar sparrow
this is a ror2 server and thats modded so stay mad i guess
high torrent
imagine being mad
solar sparrow
imagine using mobile turrets
burnt path
why me
high torrent
im refrained and respectful (to anything that isnt an engi main)
burnt path
😳
solar sparrow
huntress players smh
burnt path
havent touch huntress
high torrent
at least huntress players enjoy the movement
burnt path
cant play with one hand
solar sparrow
engi players enjoy dominating
high torrent
that's fucked up my dude
solar sparrow
im refrained and respectful (to anything that isnt an mobile turret user)
high torrent
mad? mad.
solar sparrow
im not mad im sad
high torrent
noooo dont cry nooo
burnt path
now im not sure whether mad as me or mad as mad
high torrent
madmad
burnt path
aight
solar sparrow
look at this absolute alpha chat turret not even giving a single fuck what mithrix has to say
solar sparrow
more engaging than just running in a circle
high torrent
how tho
dull ingot
you stand ig
solar sparrow
bc you have to kite him around the ledge instead of just running in a circle?
high torrent
and???
solar sparrow
so its more engaging ?
high torrent
do i know? i dont play ror2 and i dont play engi
dull ingot
bryuh
solar sparrow
then why are you even commenting
high torrent
because this conversation is funny and wacky
solar sparrow
its proof that stationary are best :)
high torrent
how tho
solar sparrow
bc they are
dull ingot
its proof that stationary are best :)
loadr
high torrent
hmmm???
burnt path
bru
solar sparrow
we're not talking abt loadr we're talking abt engi 
burnt path
engineer gaming
dull ingot
engineer more like snooore amimimimimi😴😴😴😴
burnt path
engineer m1: 💀
high torrent
also notice how i like barely ever use my m1 lmao
engineer players 🤝 artificer players
solar sparrow
i enjoy the amount of unique synergies engi brings
burnt path
that one time i enjoy picking up hunter sigil as engi
solar sparrow
like bungus is one of them yeah but warbanner is also super good, even just suicide turrets is really fun with genesis loop and Dios and stealthkit, like all pretty mediocre items but are actually really good on engi
high torrent
solar sparrow
nkuhanas and aegis on other characters? i sleep
on engi? real shit
high torrent
nkuhanas on rex
solar sparrow
i dont play rex
high torrent
haha inferior living being
burnt path
nkuhanas on rex makes me MOIST
solar sparrow
ironically i find rex's kit to be boring
high torrent
ironically i find rex's kit to be boring
irony god dyonisis is pleased
burnt path
SUS confirmed
pseudo flame
engie is boring for me bc idk how to use him like effectively minus bungly
i cant aim the Balls
high torrent
you always click the sprint button after starting the m1 and you shake your mouse to get all missile targeted immediately
peak engi gameplay
hot moon
why does captains hat
it's a cool hat. i love it. but i dont love it when i have to DRAW IT
dull ingot
hair
hot moon
i saw an image of captain without the hat and i Didnt Like It
i dont like this image! hate it, even
pseudo flame
smacks his bald head
hot moon
no
pseudo flame
ik hes like canonically some guy but i think robots are cooler
hot moon
thats incredibly sexy of you actually
burnt path
what have i just walked into
hot moon
hi
hot moon
gd2!!! the better gd
burnt path
🩴 yes
stone junco
So i did some testing
stone junco
And found out that the Brilliant Behemoth legendary item has super weird interactions with commandos frag grenade
burnt path
explosion on bounce ?
or does it like, clippy, glitchy explosion wherever the grenade touch
stone junco
Both
burnt path
now im interested
stone junco
It spawns an explosion every time it bounces on the ground
But the nade itself Explodes once
stone junco
But if there are any enemies in the radius then an adfitional explosion will spawn for each enemy hit
burnt path
😳
stone junco
The Best part is that these explosions actually proc on hit items
burnt path
hitbox and explosion proc bug perhaps ?
stone junco
Like atg
stone junco
Commando secretly op
high torrent
The Best part is that these explosions actually proc on hit items
not sure bout that, behemoth explosion should have a proc co of 0
high torrent
yeah like
it is known for a fact that behemoth inherits properties of the damage dealer
merc applies 2 exposes back to back with behemoth
but, for example, if you use blightcrid, you wont get a second stack of blight, because duration is multiplied by that 0 proc co and it just doesnt go off
expose works only because it doesnt have duration, or just breaks immediately
stone junco
Jesus
high torrent
stone junco
You know more about items than hopoo themselves
high torrent
eh, it's rather known info for people who like
dig the game
there's a lot of them
burnt path
You know more about items than hopoo themselves
wait till dev reacts to the message
😳
high torrent
@ buncles react plz if you didnt know that
burnt path
🙏
ancient rivet
hot moon
bru
worthy vapor
How did you get your second red item four and a half minutes into a run?
high torrent
big chests
hot moon
bruh this run is wild
ifrits, first item is nkuhanas, i get like 9 glasses and a scythe
💀 ...
merry karma
oh god you have like half the items i would have 
merry karma
idkkk
high torrent
bruh
hot moon
clutch
high torrent
havent seen it in a while
high wasp
wtf this spawn
What is the “new moon rises”?
high torrent
I FOUND A FUCKING RADIO SCANNER FOR SUNDERED GROVE THIS IS THE LUCKIEST RUN IN MY LIFE
high torrent
What is the “new moon rises”?
ephemeral coins
TWO LEMS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER
damn
game is fun again :)
high torrent
i am not greeted by perfected lunar wisps??????????
woolie rushing good confirmed?????????
spiral pawn
devout shore
what
high torrent
someone did a troll shadowping
whole lotus
Saw
burnt path
TWO LEMS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER
Lem tower Lem tower 😳 👉 👈
what if...we kissed under the Lem tower
tired axle
can i join?
high torrent
3? sure
burnt path
😳
strange pilot
when mithrix takes your infusions, does he inherit the hp bonus as well?
high torrent
no
strange pilot
noice
sage wedge
What’s the chance of to trial of the mountains
mighty vortex
artificer eclipse 8 :)
high torrent
permatonic?
mighty vortex
i stacked quite a few gestures cause i had blast shower and i wanted short band cooldown to go with my back up mags, but then i got a tonic out of a pod, picked it up and killed everything instantly so i replaced it with the blast shower again which was a big mistake cause i got hit with two afflictions lol
i should have just kept the tonic for easy fight but blast shower was more fun
also bullet cauldron hooked me up
high torrent
based
mighty vortex
i should have died to triangles but i got a clutch teddy block lmao
only had like 300 max hp by the end of stage 6
thats now 4/11 survivors done on e8, first being loader, then acrid, huntress and now artificer, ive done eclipse 5 on engineer might do him next
high wasp
thats now 4/11 survivors done on e8, first being loader, then acrid, huntress an...
Good luck! Finally beating all eclipse levels is so satisfying
mighty vortex
appreciate it! :)
mighty vortex
I'm gaming
jovial coral
Average Engineer Run
tender solar
bungus gaming.
compact yoke
engineer moment
flint wave
bungus gaming.
what mod is this?
tender solar
itemstats
tender solar
bungus gaming.
oh yeah i had 21 rejuv racks so 7707 bungus technically
23121 bungus effect in total
hushed stag
trail wyvern
Artificer gang rise up, first try Monsoon obliteration no Artifacts!
tranquil star
bro i just got two runs in a row on distant roost with the tp in the same spot and both the boss was vagrant and i died because i apparently wasn't behind a tree i 100% was behind
this game is fucking trash dogwater
frigid oxide
should i take shaped glass for rex?
elfin wigeon
No
silent mulch
you shouldn't take shaped glass unless you know that you're too far behind to do anything else
jovial coral
Stack.
reef canopy
silent mulch
NOICE
burnt path
high torrent
long road
burnt path
drank enuf drugs to make me and mithrix both have terminal ball cancer on final phase
so home boy just died the moment finish succing
hot moon
the whiplash from reading every logbook entry
merry karma
aegis
hybrid vault
magma worm gameplay vs. magma worm lore
hushed stag
i have not collected the overloading worm's logbook entry
warped edge
hot moon
i had the weirdest run so far
high wasp
very
mossy mesa
are you sure?
high wasp
yeah
mossy mesa
ok...
high wasp
if you want to be even more safe and cozy, go to #theorycrafting, I love it there 
compact root
^ agree. theorycrafting is coziest
mossy mesa
damn
donkey ears are pretty cool
who doesn't like donkey ears
it's like fluffy radar dishes
burnt path
🤔
hot moon
wow thats neat actually
high wasp
risk of rain 2 should have emotes and wallpapers for the steam "point shop" thing, a Commencement background would be so pretty and I would love a emote that I can use on steam
compact root
i want commencement background so bad 
rain warren
being one
empty shard
wait i think they have some emotes
i remember an escape pod animated in the style of the steam emotes that were probably made in collaboration with valve themselves
yknow the cartoony styles the steam vr animated pfp has? the emotes i'm thinking of have that same art style
high wasp
they have the point shop for risk of rain 1
empty shard
oh that's right
there's emotes like drizzle, money, and golem
and besides the point shop, i also got the ror1 trading cards
i should seriously play that game more
high wasp
risk of rain 1 is cool just I suck at it
empty shard
i suck at it too
and i wanna get better
my problem is that i play it like ror2 but it's fundamentally different when it comes to how you actually play the game and all the foreign strategies
apparently you're supposed to gather a sparse amount of items before starting tele and then you gather items during the event and while you're killing the remaining enemies
and drones are very good
high torrent
drones are actually worth the money you pay for them this is insane
best healing you can get
high wasp
drones are insane in ror1
dull ingot
drones are insane in ror1
Picture the glow up meme, but in reverse
tranquil star
THIS RUN WAS SO FUCKING CRACKED AND THEN I GOT A SHITTY GOLEM EVENT AND I COULDN"T DODGE ANY OF THE LASERS
unironically sobbing
high torrent
@merry karma what was a good items per minute ratio again?
merry karma
per stage or per run uhhhhh
high torrent
items per minute
merry karma
like 1.333?
on a good pace
leaving stage 5 at 45 minutes
fluctuates a bit
something like 1.3 to 1.45 is good
hot moon
quartz dune
dull ingot
Loader could've charged all 4 pillars and made it up there in the time it took Merc to skip the whole thing
high wasp
or loader could have just skipped pillars
dull ingot
quartz dune
or loader could have just skipped pillars
yeah but loader needs like 10 backup mags
high wasp
no lmao
compact yoke
no?
quartz dune
right?
quartz dune
you need backup mags though, right?
compact yoke
no
quartz dune
fuck.
wooden furnace
0 items required
quartz dune
fuck.
quartz dune
oh yeah merc is much faster with alt secondary
wooden furnace
alt secondary is objectively better
quartz dune
nah
wooden furnace
i also dont remember what mercs normal secondary is
quartz dune
default secondary is the best vertical mobility in the game
just straight up
check the first couple seconds of the video
merry karma
normal utility is harder
nah wrong
quartz dune
ye u rite
merry karma
default utility and special lodr should be the fastest cause pylon tech
wooden furnace
pylon tech uses alt util
quartz dune
i mean theres a reason shes used in speedruns
merry karma
and that util charges like perfectly just before you lose speed
quartz dune
pylon tech is combining fist with grapple right?
merry karma
grapple with default special
wooden furnace
pylon tech uses alt util
wait no
merry karma
wooden furnace
you could probably pull this off with alt util
merry karma
yeah just not as much distance probably
quartz dune
while the strength of loaders mobility is better
wooden furnace
idk
quartz dune
the low cooldown of mercs has got loaders beat
wooden furnace
i use all alts on loader
quartz dune
idk
wooden furnace
loader is much faster than merc
wooden furnace
yes
quartz dune
basically
wooden furnace
huntress can compete with loader
quartz dune
nothing is sicker than a good merc lets be honest
wooden furnace
but not for long
merry karma
frame perfect j
quartz dune
excuse me
quartz dune
what the fuck
autumn cosmos
frame perfect j
huh
dull ingot
mental storm
frame perfect j
Watching this made me feel something that doesn’t exist
carmine hedge
i hate dragon egg scavenger
this is the frame I died on
he wasnt on screen im cryingggg
empty shard
i just got three unstable teslas in a single stage
i dont know how thats even possible
im playing on a melee too so this is amazing
high wasp
interesting mercenary mod 🤨
amber cargo
i just noticed that 😳
empty shard
dude what is this run
first i get three teslas and now i get two legendaries from one shrine
this is amazing
i also have the mod that extends the enemy level beyond 99
sand egret
Wha-
ashen carbon
HOW can so many pp reach so high
i mean... the game doesnt have a save right
you have to play constantly which is so exhausting
tranquil star
epic shrine luck
empty shard
you have to play constantly which is so exhausting
theres a mod for that
lets you save the game from the start of your most recent entered stage
and save games are only lost once a new one is written
solar sparrow
HOW can so many pp reach so high
I mean I went to round 60 to get all the artifacts in one run as loader
sand egret
I mean I went to round 60 to get all the artifacts in one run as loader
What a chad
I tried to do It as huntress o died in round 13
:/
quartz dune
epic shrine luck
bungoos
ashen carbon
nah my point is that i cant stare at the computer for hours
i mean wtf a guy literally have a 1000 hours run how tf
ashen carbon
theres a mod for that
oh
sand egret
nah my point is that i cant stare at the computer for hours
Wow imagine not sweating so hard that your game chrashes
quartz dune
i mean wtf a guy literally have a 1000 hours run how tf
pause
sleep
wake up
play
pause
repeat
tranquil star
just beat an overloading brass contraption horde, it's a sign
never fucking mind a perfected lunar chimera shot my face off
can't have jack shit in this game
tawny plaza
Summed up this game Perfectly
tranquil star
i literally have not had a successful run in 3 days
empty shard
sleep mode would mitigate a lot of the cpu uptime and power draw if that's a concern
but it's honestly best to play the game modded and at the very least have the ProperSave mod installed
saving runs is as easy as exiting to the menu
solar sparrow
ive been doing like 2-3 runs per night and so far im winning 2/3 times feelsgoodman
solar sparrow
hell yeah
and i did each pillar too
had capacitor for my equip
i got Dios from the bazaar
quartz saffron
it's nice for the turrets
high wasp
Engineer Bungus gaming 😍
solar sparrow
i didnt get bungus until sky meadows and with that minus healing i dont think it mattered
no i had no movement items so i just used milky chrysalis
full gale
Isn't wax quail headstompers more than enough to just jump up lmao
solar sparrow
headstompers was mainly just stopping me from fall damage i think i hit mithrix with it once
idk 🤷♀️ wouldnt surprise me
high wasp
Oh I didn’t even notice Eclipse lmao, nice job 👍
solar sparrow
2 wins in a row pog
high wasp
Isn't wax quail headstompers more than enough to just jump up lmao
Yeah most of the time it is I think
quartz saffron
i think you might need an energy or a hoof
quartz saffron
i know that quail + stompers + some move speed is enough to trimp up
solar sparrow
i got quail and stompers on sky meadows, and i had to kill the AWU for that regi rack which isnt all that useful
full gale
Stationary turrets?
full gale
With 1 energy drink, 1 quail, 2 bungus
solar sparrow
...yes?
high wasp
mobile is for dweebs
:(
quartz saffron
i use mobile ones, did during eclipse too
solar sparrow
no i had no movement items so i just used milky chrysalis
^
high wasp
Mobile turrets in eclipse are awesome
solar sparrow
mobile turrets are beta compared to sexy based stationary
full gale
Oh ok
solar sparrow
listen i will beat eclipse 8 with stationary to prove that they are the best
thats how much i despise mobile turrets
high wasp
I already beat eclipse 8 with mobile turrets so that won’t work
solar sparrow
yes it will
high wasp
Nope! 
high wasp
Yeah putting them on the ledge of one of the platforms is just ez game
solar sparrow
stationary gets like the best healing from 1 item, synergize with so many items, just sit on ledges where they cant be hit, attack when you're far away, they have more range, their appearance is just way better than mobile, they're just better
quartz saffron
mobile ones use 
as a hat
solar sparrow
and like i always say, you do not need bungus to make stationary work
burnt path
ATG doggo
high wasp
Acrid gaming
burnt path
ATG doggo moment
solar sparrow
mobile ones use <:Rose_Buckler:608718428072706058> as a hat
bc they're dumb and stupid
wait, im pretty sure shield doesnt even appear on stationary turrets, they like tf do i need this for
stationary are just absolute chads
quartz saffron
the slow from the mobile ones was nice on eclipse
solar sparrow
slow doesnt matter theres a reason why chronobauble is trash 😤 😤 😤
quartz saffron
even for mith?
solar sparrow
if you ledge him his extra speed makes it almost impossible for him to destroy ur turrets
quartz saffron
i tried to avoid abusing his fall dmg
solar sparrow
oh im not doing it for fall damage im doing it bc he cant destroy ur turrets
honestly forgot he even takes fall damage so thats a nice bonus i guess
dull ingot
slow doesnt matter theres a reason why chronobauble is trash 😤 😤 😤
Chronobauble free debuff for death mark
solar sparrow
cool, think if you had enough items to trigger a death mark you've probably already won the run
quartz saffron
bubble, mobile slow, some bleed, runald's
solar sparrow
theres the problem i will never use mobile turrets :)
quartz saffron
quartz dune
Stationary > mobile
solar sparrow
TRUE and based
quartz dune
Sentries aren’t supposed to MOVE
Oh and don’t the mobile sentries do like no damage?
quartz saffron
have you ppl even tried them out before making assumptions about them?
solar sparrow
yes thats why i agree that stationary is best
quartz saffron
like i know ion surge sucks cause i played with it and know that it's trash compared to flamethrower
quartz saffron
i wouldnt know
then if you tried mobile ones how do you not know if they do no dmg or not
quartz saffron
fun? sure, good for escaping? ye, dmg? heck no
solar sparrow
then if you tried mobile ones how do you not know if they do no dmg or not
i dont know if they do less damage
full gale
fun? sure, good for escaping? ye, dmg? heck no
Hey I like doing the funny 800% damage to like 10 enemies at once
solar sparrow
i actually find that stationary turrets have way more survivability. heres the thing: mobile turrets are consistent, you always have a mediocre run. not a great run, always a mediocre one.
stationary turrets, you can have trash runs. if you just get absolutely no good items you will have a bad run.
but, from experience, if you get even slightly good items like a singular bungus you will have a cracked run
quartz dune
Engineer kinda like
solar sparrow
if i get even 1 bungus i know i can do void fields, though most of the time i dont even need to
quartz dune
Boring sometimes
high wasp
mobile turrets can use bungus too 😎
quartz dune
mobile turrets can use bungus too 😎
But they uh
high wasp
you just have to stay still and kill anything before they want to follow it
quartz dune
Move
high wasp
actually
if you stand still and enemies die fast enough, they become stationary
so bungus strats
solar sparrow
yeah but wouldnt the outcome be the exact same if you didnt even put a turret down
high wasp
more healing
solar sparrow
you dont need to heal if they die before the turrets can move
and if you do, you will also heal from your own bungus
high wasp
im not trying to say they use it well I was just trying to make a bungus joke lol
solar sparrow
no.
high wasp
ok
high wasp
yeah mobile turrets are AWESOME
quartz dune
I wish bungus wasn’t so ass on everyone else
solar sparrow
YOURE AWESOME but mobile turrets are TRASH
i would rather use RUIN than MOBILE TURRETS
high wasp
You're awesome too but mobile turrets are awesome too
solar sparrow
no
high wasp
BRO DONT EVEN SAY THAT
solar sparrow
I MEAN IT
high wasp
ruingineer 😭 😭
solar sparrow
if i see a mobile turret i go into a blind rage
i will rip its legs off and force it to be stationary
but even then its still bad bc less range
willow dagger
mobile turrets fuel array
high wasp
lets just agree to disagree
solar sparrow
i just do not see any benefit except maybe death mark for using mobile turrets
high wasp
can we both agree that REX is the best robot/mechanical thing in the game?
solar sparrow
sorry mult but yes
high wasp
solar sparrow
literally thats the only reason i can see ever choosing mobile turrets is death mark
high wasp
i just like watching them circle around enemies and cheer them on
i see turrets as my own children
solar sparrow
i like watching them face their enemies head on not giving a single fuck like holy shit what a chad
high wasp
oh and mobile turrets with movement speed is really awesome and funny
grove im scared you have been typing for a while
solar sparrow
survivability? just place them on high ground, literally anywhere as long as they can see off the ledge. 100% more survivability than mobile. them following you? just place them down again, learn better turret economy. its the same reason people think artificer is trash. you dont need to put both down all the time every time they come off cooldown. ...what else is there? death mark? you gonna rely on death mark in eclipse??
movement speed? my best movement item was a milky chrysalis. mobile turrets arent gonna benefit from that
mithrix fight? absolute joke with stationary. again, high ground/ledge. he cannot kill them
mobile turrets are just worse.
willow dagger
why will you not talk about the thing that fuel array transform this mobile thing into mobile mines
high wasp
compelling argument, but
210.49.102.197
stable fulcrum
YOURE AWESOME but mobile turrets are TRASH
you're awesome but wrong!!
solar sparrow
explain to me why they are better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stable fulcrum
they walk :)
high wasp
i just like them more, both are good but I find mobile turrets fun
solar sparrow
thats a bad thing!!!!!
high torrent
but they arent worse
solar sparrow
they are
high torrent
good sidegrade
high wasp
and in Eclipse I've had a much better experience with mobile than stationary
high torrent
they are
those arguments were kinda low tier my dude, you gotta find some that have weight
solar sparrow
well im on eclipse 6 now and ive really not noticed a difference except fall damage
high wasp
ok but you use harpoons instead of bubble shield right?
high torrent
e4 is faster enemies
solar sparrow
yes bubble is bad anyway
high wasp
ok good man 🙏
high torrent
e5 and e6 are healing and money
solar sparrow
im not an idiot thats why i use stationary
high wasp
e6 is so annoying it doesnt make it more difficult just wastes time
high torrent
wasting time makes game more difficult🤓
solar sparrow
i know what the modifiers are, i just mean my playstyle hasnt changed except i cant fall of ledges
high torrent
im not an idiot thats why i use stationary
you are making too much of the big deal
solar sparrow
im not actually malding
high torrent
i know what the modifiers are, i just mean my playstyle hasnt changed except i c...
yeah eclipse doesnt change your playstyle, just encourages not getting hit
high torrent
survivability? just place them on high ground, literally anywhere as long as the...
not malding sure
solar sparrow
but i do wholeheartedly believe that stationary is better
high torrent
imagine having a strong opinion and a preference
solar sparrow
im not malding? im explaining why its better?
high torrent
i thought you were legit joking yesterday
solar sparrow
im serious that they're better, but im not malding over people choosing to use mobile turrets. its the same reason why arti mains hate ion surge users
high torrent
grovetender: gaslighted into liking mobile turrets
high torrent
chill
solar sparrow
im literally sitting back sipping a cup of tea watching youtube while i type, im not mad im just like this
if you use mobile turrets then go ahead, but you are putting yourself at a disadvantage <3
willow dagger
no.
high torrent
if you use mobile turrets then go ahead, but you are putting yourself at a disad...
that's a pve game
it's just
both turrets have literally the same dps
solar sparrow
base dps yea
high torrent
so why care bout anything else
solar sparrow
bc would you rather have a mediocre run all the time or cracked runs with a few sad ones here and there
just, the AI of the mobile turrets arent good, and being able to put them where you need them will always be better. bungus and other synergies are just the cherry on top
high torrent
never seen ai being a hindrance
tbf, i never even rely on turrets
i just kinda place em and go do my own stuff
high wasp
Yeah this is another reason I like mobile more, I do my own stuff and they kind of support and do their thing
high torrent
plus is just better on mobiles
solar sparrow
bc they die more often?
high torrent
bc they go right into the horde of enemies meleeing them
high wasp
No because they get closer to enemies
solar sparrow
and then die
high torrent
so they can reach more enemies
high torrent
and then die
yes!
merry karma
>>>>
willow dagger
finally fuel array being talk!
solar sparrow
and you say you care about your turrets smh
high torrent
i never did
high wasp
I see turrets as my own children
But they are also expendable
high torrent
my entire point is i dont give a fuck which turrets i use
willow dagger
i give them dio so they can die again
high torrent
expendable material
solar sparrow
my entire point is that this situation is exactly like artificer with ion surge vs flamethrower but noone seems to care enough bc its engineer
high torrent
situation where you trade 60% of your dps is different tho
solar sparrow
situation where you trade 60% of synergy, survivability, and more
you already admitted they die more often
solar sparrow
ok let me get a loop from wandering vagrant
high torrent
situation where you trade 60% of synergy, survivability, and more
give me list of all synergies that stationaries have
tired axle
situation where you trade 60% of synergy, survivability, and more
i have no idea if you're talking about bungus + stationary or goat hoof + mobile rn
high torrent
so we can calculate if it's 60%
solar sparrow
i said 60% bc you did im not using mathematical facts
high torrent
and survavibility is aspect i dont care because expendable material
solar sparrow
that
high torrent
i said 60% bc you did im not using mathematical facts
beta
solar sparrow
doesnt add up at all
high wasp
Only synergy is just Bungus stuff, and I’m pretty sure mobiles proc more because they have a higher fire rate with their constant laser
willow dagger
mobile does 200% and slow
high torrent
Only synergy is just Bungus stuff, and I’m pretty sure mobiles proc more because...
they have a 0.6 proc co or something
nah their dps is essentialy the same
solar sparrow
almost all stem from bungus yes, but thats still way more synergies than stationary
tired axle
Only synergy is just Bungus stuff, and I’m pretty sure mobiles proc more because...
same proc rate actually, though lower proc dps
high torrent
and proc dps too
high wasp
Oh interesting
high torrent
almost all stem from bungus yes, but thats still way more synergies than station...
you should sleep at this point lol
tired axle
mobile does 200% and slow
also, both mobile and stationary are 200%dps
no idea why stationaries description says 100% per shot, it's actually 70% 3x/s
high torrent
good in-game descriptions, right hopoo games
solar sparrow
so you're saying they're expendable and worth dying, and then you're arguing about the turret dps and synergies?
doesnt add up
high torrent
why tho
solar sparrow
bc if they're always dead their synergies do not matter
high torrent
both arent always dead?
high wasp
They’re not always dead
Stationary can be placed strategically and mobiles are able to dodge
solar sparrow
you just admitted they die way more often to the point of array being a viable stratergy
high wasp
No, fuel array is better because they get closer to enemies
So if they die with it, they get much more use
willow dagger
No, fuel array is better because they get closer to enemies
and slow them to be sure explosion kill them
high wasp
Yep and the slow is nice
tired axle
almost all stem from bungus yes, but thats still way more synergies than station...
also, isn't stationary just bungus synergy, while mobile is goat hoofs and deathmark?
solar sparrow
but regardless mobile turrets do die more often, because of that. stationary turrets on high ground have way less weaknesses, and if they do get hit, then 1 single bungus will remedy that
high torrent
how much slow is mobile turrets + 
+ 
+ 
🧐
willow dagger
mobile turrets can use wisps launcher boss item right?
high torrent
no
solar sparrow
no
tired axle
how much slow is mobile turrets + <:Chronobauble:591290117239603221> + <:Mired_U...
like 1-1/(1+0.5+0.6+0.5+0.8)
high torrent
they dont ever sprint
solar sparrow
they dont sprint
willow dagger
bruh
solar sparrow
yeah but at that point its more viable to just place them down again
probably more worth it too with all the items you just picked up
tired axle
like `1-1/(1+0.5+0.6+0.5+0.8)`
which is 70% btw
solar sparrow
and mobile turrets stopping to shoot to run after you isnt a good thing
when i say they're better, im not saying its like a no brainer, just that overall, even if by a little, stationary is better
tired axle
and mobile turrets stopping to shoot to run after you isnt a good thing
i mean
tired axle
they only stop shooting to come back to you if you are 110m away
i.e. over half of most maps
merry karma
please speak to me like a child
youre gonna regret this
solar sparrow
ok?
high torrent
when i say they're better, im not saying its like a no brainer, just that overal...
me when a small tidbit is immediately a wasted potential and comparable to ion surge vs flamethrower
solar sparrow
i mean its like seeing people play your main with a less viable option and saying its better
haughty badge
both are viable
solar sparrow
when they are wrong, even if it comes down to personal preference
so is ion surge whats your point
willow dagger
more than one purity ranged mercenary did kill me
haughty badge
so is ion surge whats your point
except ion surge actively nerfs your capabilities while the alt turret doesnt
solar sparrow
it does though? you cant have cracked early game* runs on mobile?
haughty badge
what
tired axle
which difficulty do you play on normally?
high wasp
You can have cracked runs on mobile, mobile turrets existing doesn’t instantly force your run into the world of mediocrity
solar sparrow
stationary makes trash items good though
haughty badge
trash items(1 item)
haughty badge
like?
rotund furnace
Gd2 more active than gd1? 
tired axle
which difficulty do you play on normally?
this is kinda an important question, considering stationaries can't outheal elder lemurians after stage 4 monsoon
haughty badge
nkuhanas can be good without bungus requirement
high wasp
Nkuhanas is already good, just with stationary it’s better
haughty badge
aegis
is aegis
solar sparrow
mobile doesnt have access to that at all though
haughty badge
last time i checked mobiles can use leeching seed and scythe
solar sparrow
nkuhanas can be good without bungus requirement
so can stationary turrets
high wasp
Mobiles can still heal
tired axle
i feel like at this point it's save to assume you play on rainstorm
solar sparrow
yeah but the amount of dps boost from a single nkuhanas with a bungus is insane
hybrid vault
Mobiles > stationary
solar sparrow
i feel like at this point it's save to assume you play on rainstorm
im literally on eclipse 6 tf you mean
whole lotus
Yeah
high wasp
Mobiles are more or less equal to stationary depending on rng
quartz saffron
omg you guys are still going on
solar sparrow
i started playing eclipse from monsoon 3 days ago
and i play like 2-3 games a night
haughty badge
omg you guys are still going on
youre on ror2cord
quartz saffron
both are good, none of them is better, wtf are you on about
solar sparrow
bc stationary is better if not by a small margin!!!!!!!!!!!!
tired axle
and how often do you get bungus in your eclipse runs?
toxic charm
solar sparrow
almost everytime
not that it matters since healing is nerfed. along with movement speed on enemies, mobiles cant even dodge that well. being stationed on a high ground is infinitely better. stationary literally makes mithrix a walk in the park
tired axle
hm, i suppose it's a 1/24 chance, so every 24th white item is on average a bungus
merry karma
so like 2.5 bungus per run 🤔
high wasp
Mobiles actually can dodge pretty well from my experience
solar sparrow
phew that was stressful
you think bungus helped on this run? all it did was heal me, my turrets did not care
hybrid vault
The way I see it is that mobiles are less RNG dependant because you don't need to get specifically bungus, but stationaries are better if you get lucky enough and get enough bungus
haughty badge
The way I see it is that mobiles are less RNG dependant because you don't need t...
yeah
haughty badge
werent you arguing that stationaries are just better
quartz saffron
not that it matters since healing is nerfed. along with movement speed on enemie...
yeah but that movement speed is reduced if mobiles are shooting them
merry karma
solar sparrow
that mobile are more consistent but stationary can get way more cracked
movement speed doesnt even come into the equation when they cant have the option to hit you, i.e being on high ground
haughty badge
literally every ranged enemy in the game:
high wasp
Brass contraptions 😨
haughty badge
brass is pretty easy to dodge if you dont walk
solar sparrow
thats where the bungus comes into play
quartz saffron
how many only melee enemies are there? beeble, bison, imp?
solar sparrow
between the time it would take a brass contraption to kill a stationary turret, it would probably die since bungus would heal it
quartz saffron
so what's the point of them being up higher then? they can still be hit
haughty badge
between the time it would take a brass contraption to kill a stationary turret, ...
ok, one brass down
what about the other five
and the 10 lemurians
and some other fodder
solar sparrow
ok so mobile can also dodge all that?
tired axle
that mobile are more consistent but stationary can get way more cracked
when i say they're better, im not saying its like a no brainer, just that overall, even if by a little, stationary is better
solar sparrow
yes thats basically the same thing
tired axle
eh
haughty badge
ok so mobile can also dodge all that?
right now im arguing about how youre saying that stationaries can just infinitely live which they really cant without rng being at your mercy
tired axle
i mean, consistency and potential can't really be compared in a sense of good and bad
solar sparrow
ive had way better and easier runs on stationary compared to the same level of difficulty of mobile, thus i believe stationary to be better
haughty badge
"the rng was better therefore the ability is better"
tired axle
also when you say that something is literally better you can't really expect people to read "one is more consistent while the other has more potential"
haughty badge
okay well my rng with surge was just INSANE today so it must be better!!!!
solar sparrow
listen, you do not need bungus to make stationary good ffs
haughty badge
then stop mentioning high ground when its not even an arguemnt
high wasp
Theyre both strong and viable
Each one just has different strengths that can be better than the other
But for the most part they are more or less equal
quartz saffron
how about you do a test on prismatic trials, everything is the same every time; so you can check how you do with either one
hot moon
several people typing in gd2? holy shit
haughty badge
several people typing in gd2? holy shit
must be a dream
solar sparrow
it is!!!!!!!
haughty badge
you know ive never expected myself to argue on fucking engineer out of ayone
solar sparrow
mobile turrets cannot dodge everything they die more often than stationary by the fact that they are on the high ground and mobile turrets are in the enemies assholes
merry karma
pressure mines and bubble shield suck
haughty badge
high ground will help you against:
beetle
imp
bison
solar sparrow
funny how most engineer mains will agree that stationary is better
haughty badge
please show me the high-danger enemies in that list
hot moon
mobile turret walking up to imp:
quartz saffron
high ground will help you against:
beetle
imp
bison
maybe imp overlord too if high enough
but that's still just 1 boss
haughty badge
mobile turret walking up to imp:
stationary turret shooting a beetle while getting nailed by 5 brass contraps:
quartz saffron
stationary turret shooting a beetle while getting nailed by 5 brass contraps:
something something piper perri meme
solar sparrow
high ground will help you against:
beetle
imp
bison
any ranged based enemy that is on the ground, like most of them?
haughty badge
well i mean you can hide your turret away
but then its just useless and not shooting anything
solar sparrow
thats the point of the high ground? that they cannot hit you if they are below you?
no the ror2 ai isnt good enough for that they always aim for the body not the head
haughty badge
enemies dont just pile up under the rock you placed your turret on and be unable to shoot
they can walk away
and still shoot
and kill your turret
solar sparrow
no thats literally what they do
elder lemurians just sit around the bottom shooting their fireballs into the wall if they cannot pathfind to the turrets location
haughty badge
out of all stationary games ive played ive more seen enemies rattle around and not just stand still under my turret
solar sparrow
maybe you just arent placing them well?
haughty badge
id like you to find a good location at like the most open area ever
haughty badge
yeah well what if there isnt any near the tp
are you just gonna play with half your kit then\
solar sparrow
you know they have a ton of range right?
haughty badge
eh it isnt a TON of range
solar sparrow
trying to think of a map with such a large open area that turrets cant be on the high ground and i cannot think of one
its enough? even covering half the tele bubble is enough
tired axle
it doesn't cover half, does it?
haughty badge
and then something spawns on it and kills it, yeah
haughty badge
it doesn't cover half, does it?
no idea i dont look into code
solar sparrow
ok so have better turret economy and place another one down?
a turret will cover an entire bubble if placed in the center, at least from my experience
haughty badge
and where would you place it in the center where it wouldnt get attacked by every enemy in existence
solar sparrow
and then something spawns on it and kills it, yeah
also whos to say mobile turrets wont suffer the same situation?
haughty badge
the prongs dont work because the enemies can literally attack from below and everywhere
haughty badge
also whos to say mobile turrets wont suffer the same situation?
they will do slightly better due to being able to move
solar sparrow
you dont need to place it in the center, placing it on the edge will cover half the bubble is what i mean
haughty badge
then why did you even mention placing them in the center
solar sparrow
because they were asking about range
quartz saffron
once again i recommend you to do tests on prismatic trials to see which is "better"
solar sparrow
why
haughty badge
to see which is "better"
solar sparrow
whats the difference? less items? not comparable to normal gameplay
haughty badge
trials for the most part have exactly same everything
quartz saffron
everything is the same in pts
haughty badge
spawns, items, bosses
solar sparrow
if you have no items mobile is better is that what you want to hear?
haughty badge
in an identical environment
see which one performs better
tired axle
ah, tp is 100m radius and turret range is 60m, though they do experience damage falloff which halves their dps at that point
haughty badge
if you have no items mobile is better is that what you want to hear?
...you know trials have chests right?
quartz saffron
(unless sacrifice)
quartz saffron
either way you can get the same items every time
tired axle
could do a seeded run if you dislike the artifacts
haughty badge
yep
solar sparrow
bc would you rather have a mediocre run all the time or cracked runs with a few ...
its 220 am for me now, so ill repeat my argument, mobile is more consistent but stationary can be (and is usually) more cracked
and it makes mithrix fight a walk in the park ok goodnite
tired axle
damn, my man really stayed up 220 hours past midnight
whole lotus
Engie is fake
solar sparrow
damn, my man really stayed up 220 hours past midnight
thats a normal everyday night for me
quartz saffron
sleep is good
haughty badge
no it isnt what are you on
solar sparrow
why sleep when you can nap
quartz saffron
ah yes a comforting nap at night before going to work in the morning
solar sparrow
No a comfy 20 min nap after coming home from work :)
haughty badge
20 minute nap what
solar sparrow
My job isnt very physically demanding so
How long r ur naps? It takes me 5 mins to even begin a nap
haughty badge
ive only had one nap and it was 2 hours
solar sparrow
That's called a sleep
Thats enough time for a full REM cycle
Though yeah my sleeping habits are not great, I also dont care enough nor does it really impact my life that much
burnt path
👀
high wasp
My sleeping habits are terrible
Sometimes it will take me like 30-60 minutes to just fall asleep
And I have a terrible problem of sleeping in whenever I wake up
serene lodge
My sleeping habits are terrible
Same
I sleep about 2 to 3 hrs a night during school nights and then just crash on Friday night
tropic horizon
just so you know it takes 27 alien heads to get 100% cooldown reduction
serene lodge
just so you know it takes 27 alien heads to get 100% cooldown reduction
Absolutely chaos though
And also, infinite I frames with merc
tropic horizon
The cooldowns can't go below 0.5 seconds tho
serene lodge
The cooldowns can't go below 0.5 seconds tho
Dang it
But still, I can fly with merc
stone loom
The cooldowns can't go below 0.5 seconds tho
the cooldown on eviscerate starts when the dash ends so you can have infinite i frames as long as you hit an enemy with every attack
summer canyon
I love how there’s a mod that straight REMOVES PSG from the game
Like, you could literally not pick it up or save it for scrapping
But instead it just straight doesn’t make it spawn lmao
high wasp
It’s not even that bad :(
summer canyon
In the same vein there’s a mod that just removes Loader from the game
You could literally just not play her but she’s just straight removed lmao
high wasp
Lmao
stone loom
based mod
dire citrus
Like, you could literally not pick it up or save it for scrapping
Yea a white is a white, free scrap innit.
I would only not take it if i think it will jeopardise my life on the way to a scrapper
vivid elm
high wasp
Please return to gd-1
high torrent
You could literally just not play her but she’s just straight removed lmao
oh it's pretty symbolic
borbo literally gave up trying to rebalance her so went "lol imma ditch the bitch"
now you can use config to remove any character you want
nimble shore
You could literally just not play her but she’s just straight removed lmao
"It's not enough that I never use this thing, I want nobody to be able to use it, therefore changing nothing for myself but ruining the experience of people who like this"
leaden nebula
In the same vein there’s a mod that just removes Loader from the game
Based mod
summer canyon
TO be fair it’s a cool mod that blacklists things you don’t want
Specifically skills
I guess it’s good for some kind of challenge with other players
leaden nebula
True.
Couldn't you acquire the same effect with that one mod that lets you lock and unlock certain stuff from the logbook?
summer canyon
Yeah, but I guess you can ensure it’s blacklisted with the mod
leaden nebula
I had to unlock the Spider mines for Engie that way because it was just not rewarding them for me. I'd one shot the boss and then nothing.
trail wyvern
Bandit joins the Monsoon run gang!
That means all my mains finally have their alt costumes unlocked now
high wasp
Nice job!
carmine patrol
"It's not enough that I never use this thing, I want *nobody* to be able to use ...
you can just not install the mod you know
its not like every mod ever is a mandatory new update lol
nimble shore
you can just not install the mod you know
And by that same logic, you can just not play the character
Instead of going to unnecessary effort to make them unplayable for anyone who gets the mod
brave venture
It could be a way to blacklist characters on metamorphosis
nimble shore
I highly doubt that's the main reason given that that's such a niche case
carmine patrol
its literally a joke mod...
brave venture
The fucks a joke
carmine patrol
the only people who are installing the mod are people who want to remove loader anyways, as a joke or not
or any survivor or skill now i suppose
its not like its ruining anyone's experience
sand egret
Gd1 and 2 ded
potent mantle
The fucks a joke
plush glade
wait how did you get muted
quartz dune
What’s the current surivior tier list
tired axle
What’s the current surivior tier list
This
quartz dune
Interesting
tired axle
Don't think too much about it, the absolute quality breaks your brain
quartz dune
I can’t tell how serious that is
tired axle
Extremely serious
dull ingot
I can’t tell how serious that is
very much a shitpost
tired axle
Eh, depends on how good you are at playing him, if you can chain bis abilities well with expose he has really high dps
Add the mobility and i frames and he has the potential to be one of the best characters
quartz dune
High skill floor/ceiling kinda guy?
mellow mango
loader mulT and merc are really strong
quartz dune
Loader is just lame merc and acrid is funny merc imo
dull ingot
High skill floor/ceiling kinda guy?
Yes, he scales with player skill so really he's an outlier of sorts on tier lists
brisk dawn
was informed I was meant to put this here
thoughts
@dull ingot Frost Relic is very good but movement speed is frankly essential to every run
You can get by without a Frost Relic, but you will not get by without movement speed, and goat hoof is the easiest way to get it
dull ingot
Fair, but what I legitamately don't get is, if movement is so essential to you, why aren't Energy Drinks also in your S-Tier?
brisk dawn
Energy Drinks are on the thin line, I think
my main issue is that stacking them makes it kinda hard to actually maneuver during boss fights
because you can turn too much and lose all that speed, and goat hooves provide an outright higher bonus per item once you get a good stack of them going
and Red Whip's bonus is very situational and I swear it's the bane of god runs, because you have so many that it becomes very hard to move where you want to
Wax Quail is also on the lower end of A because it's a bit tricky to use and is really jank around slopes
only two quails can send you so high you get teleported back down
I realize that the tier list I used doesn't have Shared Design, but it would be B tier
It has an actual stat bonus, Cripple is actually quite good as a status effect, the extra movement speed is great, and by the time you can even get it it being a pseudo-transcendence would be more of buff than it would be in the early game
nimble shore
There's no way that Happiest Mask can be above Crowdfunder or even Ifrit's Distinction
Or DML above Crowdfunder
summer canyon
LET'S GO GAMER
tranquil star
i've been deprived of a good run for 3 days and today the rngods smiled upon me
almost died to perfected lunar chimeras tho 💀
mossy garden
was informed I was meant to put this here
crunder F?
objectively wrong
also irradiant pearls do nor belong in S tier they are fucking garbage, normal pearls are almost better due to them being less rare
summer canyon
Bazooka is one of those things where for me I don’t see a lot of use, but god DAMN is it fun that all your bullets explode
high torrent
i mean like
irrad is a bit worse hoof + crit glasses + 10% base damage up + a better psg
so like somewhat 4 whites worth of value for throwing in 5 lunars
on average
brazen zephyr
irradiant pearl is only good as a meme and if you have endless lunar coins to throw away
quartz saffron
i got one yesterday after putting in only 1 lunar
quartz dune
was informed I was meant to put this here
Might just be the merc main in me but I feel like the cd reduction of hard light thruster is kinda invariably good
Movement being king in this game and all
And razor wire is like s tier
merry karma
was informed I was meant to put this here
really bad
merry karma
yes
quartz dune
Idk man
merry karma
quartz dune
Merc is best with all of the items that are mediocre on anyone else
Alien head and aegis for example
Hardlight afterburner
gusty crag
eggis is bad on everyone if not backed up with healing items
gusty crag
high wasp
Why would aegis be better with Merc? It’s just never a great item unless you have a lot of healing
gusty crag
Why would aegis be better with Merc? It’s just never a great item unless you hav...
also yeah, that's what i mean
quartz dune
Why would aegis be better with Merc? It’s just never a great item unless you hav...
You tend to be real close to the enemies
So you get hit more so the absorption is more often used
I think aegis could use a slight buff though
high wasp
The whole thing about merc is not getting hit
gusty crag
Merc would benefit more with topaz brooch, than eggis
quartz dune
The whole thing about merc is not getting hit
Of course, but you’re still gonna get hit more than a commando on the other side of the map
high wasp
And like the 10 barrier you’ll get from aegis for 2 second isn’t going to help
Unless you have enough healing to keep the barrier up at a high amount
quartz dune
I tend to get aegis late
gusty crag
Also aeggis barries depletes so fast, it's practically unsustainable if you're not an engineer stuffed with bungi
gusty crag
Get aegis early and you wouldn't feel an impact of it
high wasp
Definitely