oh my
#gd2-nullified
dire herald
limpid drum
wait boch has done this to us? pain
dire herald
is this some kind of gd1 invasion
onyx hearth
Risk of rain 2 solid game
wise elbow
the what now
hollow dirge
Consistency
wise elbow
ah that
late phoenix
He spammed the huntress tierlist Woolie one thing
full gale
🧐
wise elbow
yea yea i remember that
limpid drum
huntress nsfw speedrun wr
late phoenix
What did he post to get us banned
full gale
He did nothing
onyx hearth
How long are you betting gd2’s perms will last
late phoenix
From images
onyx hearth
I’m saying 1 day
full gale
He literally was not even here when the perms disappeared
Stop blaming him for everything
tired axle
What did he post to get us banned
nada, i was just joking
hollow dirge
Nah
onyx hearth
He literally was not even here when the perms disappeared
Memes channel is what they’re blaming them for
limpid drum
Stop blaming him for everything
no
full gale
Boch wasn't even in the server when that happened
late phoenix
Stop blaming him for everything
No
limpid drum
Huntress roles are the reason we have no peace in this world
wise elbow
full gale
So literally they're just being petty once again to try and blame him for gd1's lack of embed perms
limpid drum
it all started when they existed
hollow dirge
Ok
full gale
Huntress roles are the reason we have no peace in this world
Yeah ok buddy
hollow dirge
Ok
limpid drum
how dare you use huntress I can’t believe you’d be so selfish
merry karma
I'm not your buddy, pal
full gale
I'm not your buddy, pal
Ok homeslice
merry karma
I don't remember the rest
granite shard
wait did they remove embeds from gd1
does this mean its actually readable now
full gale
Uhhhh friendo exists
late phoenix
So literally they're just being petty once again to try and blame him for gd1's ...
Ok I could care fucking less about the past of boch he’s still fucking annoying
full gale
Dog also
tired axle
wait did they remove embeds from gd1
does this mean its actually readable now
it also means no more spreadsheets
full gale
Ok I could care fucking less about the past of boch he’s still fucking annoying
That doesn't give you the right to just make people believe it's his fault gd1's embeds are gone.
You don't like him? Good. Move on.
late phoenix
That doesn't give you the right to just make people believe it's his fault gd1's...
Lmao it was withor who started it
full gale
Yeah withor wtf
granite shard
it also means no more spreadsheets
tbf not liket here was ever any actual discussion on them
full gale
Didn't even hit them with a jk
wise elbow
bochni is hilarious idk what youre talking abt
hollow dirge
It was a joke lmao
tired axle
i mean, it was hifu and me making a joke
full gale
Should have sent /s afterwards
merry karma
nah I was asking fr
hollow dirge
I mean in context it's obvious
merry karma
cause he do be sending uh
late phoenix
bochni is hilarious idk what youre talking abt
Ah yes I love the low consistency image for the 15th time it’s so funny
wise elbow
full gale
He didn't send anything inappropriate here trust
limpid drum
it was med high consistency
late phoenix
And then the time where he changed his pfp to rape me that was so epic
wise elbow
i've only seen it 5 times idk whatchu on
limpid drum
And then the time where he changed his pfp to rape me that was so epic
what
tired axle
ah yeah, wasn't that why striker banned him?
limpid drum
hm
what the fuck
slow condor
oh this is gd1 now
cool
full gale
Lmao
merry karma
yeah
wise elbow
yep gd1 is dead to us now
limpid drum
any more context noob like what
full gale
Welcome to gd1-2
merry karma
limpid drum
why in the world
wise elbow
gd1.5
wise elbow
biased smh
dire herald
did mods say anything about why image perm gon in gd1?
limpid drum
welcome to general 2
hollow dirge
Memes ig
tired axle
did mods say anything about why image perm gon in gd1?
asking charlie rn
granite shard
did mods say anything about why image perm gon in gd1?
no idea but probably because it was unreadable trash
limpid drum
it was breadguy’s doing
to get us to move to general
wise elbow
real
merry karma
I will not until echo isn't
hollow dirge
it was breadguy’s doing
to get us to move to general
you serious?
limpid drum
maybe
hollow dirge
.
limpid drum
we wanna pin it on Sai or blacklist
when the real culprit was one close to us
could be possible..
tired axle
well, charlie doesn't seem to be online right now, so i guess we'll have to wait
full gale
Alright fellas we are accepting BETS!
quiet prairie
bochni is hilarious idk what youre talking abt
thank u man
full gale
React with if you think it was Sai, 😄 if you think it was BlackList, 🗿 if you think it was the devs, 🍞 if you think it was breadguy, 🦄 if you think it was taxi, 🧙♀️ if you think it was charlie
hollow dirge
Blacklist hates memes so
late phoenix
any more context noob like what
I mean what context do you need
He changed it out of the blue to that
limpid drum
😬
hollow dirge
Well it was a girl asking to be raped
quiet prairie
He didn't send anything inappropriate here trust
U were right i really am famosu
marble sage
React with <:happiesttroll:790347758732050463> if you think it was Sai, 😄 if yo...
Sai was not the imposter
1 imposter remains
tired axle
to be fair he did change it to something else after people complained though
full gale
Sai was not the imposter
1 imposter remains
LMAO
limpid drum
I’m right it has to be breadguy
wise elbow
but what about the 😄
limpid drum
it’s a curveball
full gale
Sai was not the imposter
1 imposter remains
What if this is a self report
late phoenix
to be fair he did change it to something else after people complained though
Oh yeah remember that time he ruined glubs project than tried to play the victim card that was so based
full gale
knotty laurel
I'm not even on the list, I can get away with anything
wise elbow
Real
limpid drum
there’s too many mods
full gale
I'm not even on the list, I can get away with anything
Yeah man I have no clue what your gimmick is, completely innocent
merry karma
taxipone did 9/ uh deleted the embed perms
limpid drum
how do we pin the culprit
we have to test
someone post and meme and see which mod deletes it
late phoenix
how do we pin the culprit
You ask Charlie
knotty laurel
wise elbow
tired axle
You ask Charlie
already did btw, please don't spam her dms
quiet prairie
Wait so from what i read they disabled perms to send images because of me or?
limpid drum
Boch singlehandedly destroyed gd1 image perms insane
quiet prairie
I know guy ealier was spamming gifs thats all i know
limpid drum
just by existing
full gale
Papa
Papa
Paparazzi
marble sage
Bochnicek is Czech, no Czechs are famous. That's very sus
limpid drum
pepperoni
late phoenix
we have to test
someone post and meme and see which mod deletes it
Me when the 599 kb video takes 3 minutes to post
quiet prairie
Bochnicek is Czech, no Czechs are famous. That's very sus
Karel Gott? 
limpid drum
online we call that
full gale
I posted rob with teeth and someone deleted it
merry karma
gd1
full gale
late phoenix
Online we call that
wise elbow
late phoenix
Call that tomfoolery
limpid drum
call that horseplay
wise elbow
who is tom
full gale
Cyborg's fucked
full gale
who is tom
Tom cruise
late phoenix
I CANT TOMFOOL WHAT
limpid drum
SAE DID IT
marble sage
limpid drum
WE HAVE EVIDENCE NOW
wise elbow
UNEXPECTED TURN OF EVENTS
merry karma
we don't have evidence
limpid drum
MY PLAN WORKED
marble sage
https://tenor.com/view/amongus-amongsdp-black-emergency-meeting-black-emergency-meeting-gif-18720662
late phoenix
What’s another stupid image uhhhhduhhhuhhhh
dire herald
among us!
limpid drum
first mod to take down an image has to be the one responsible for the gd1 image perf deletion
late phoenix
Baptism by fire?
merry karma
hollow dirge
this is just amogsu
wise elbow
Baptism by fire?
post it
limpid drum
my strategy has revealed the answer
full gale
FEMBOY SAE WITH THE BETRAYAL
merry karma
dire herald
late phoenix
wise elbow
<:isaacpog:765287371393859594><:sloggers:768082581027160076>
are they going to kiss
wise elbow
thank you.
limpid drum
how about risk of rain 2 related
dire herald
wise elbow
me irl
tired axle
hollow dirge
It's breadguy the bread hasn't been deleted
late phoenix
wise elbow
SHOCKING
merry karma
dire herald
yeah this is actually gd1 now
late phoenix
Everyone post bak in maid outfit real
tired axle
full gale
wise elbow
maidacridkitty
hollow dirge
No more play by play screenshots
limpid drum
please limit the play-by-play screenshots to none
limpid drum
i don't understand the logic behind removing embeds
Chaos
late phoenix
If everyone’s muted, no one will be
dire herald
limpid drum
mod want to watch us go crazy stupid
tired axle
honestly, just increase the slow mode to 10 minutes
hollow dirge
gd1 is an experiment
dire herald
humans are an experiment
wise elbow
glue on da roach bro
quiet prairie
dire herald
tired axle
limpid drum
huh
hollow dirge
i still don't understand the logic behind that decision at all
tired axle
welp, they're back
dire herald
the nuclear option
quiet prairie
Nice i thought i would never be able to send pics againn
dire herald
onyx hearth
Using metamorphosis to get engineer mastery 🙂
only had to do one loop, and the only problems i encountered was transcendance REX, who is bad
onyx hearth
very nice luck
and no, I'm really bad at engi and struggled a lot...
it got me 112/112 acheivements though!
onyx hearth
as well, (sorry if too many screenshots), no interactable challenge (except tp)
tawny rivet
ivory depot
fun
yknow just enemies that dont get hit half the time and the half of the time they do they take like half the damage
they got kjaros band
i am dead
tired axle
there are only like 3 enemies that can proc bands
tulip nimbus
Beetle gaurd is one of them no?
tired axle
wait, are they?
ivory depot
i have no idea which one procced em but they sure did
tired axle
wait, they are
tulip nimbus
Loll
ivory depot
thats fun
tired axle
i didn't actually know that
tulip nimbus
Rip
The others are bosses I'm guessing?
Awu ground blast or vagrant explosion idk
tired axle
i was referring solely to non champions, like brass contraption and jelly fish
hermit crabs as well
fading sonnet
tulip nimbus
i was referring solely to non champions, like brass contraption and jelly fish
Overloading orb won't help because it still just considers enemy base damage right
tired axle
overloading orbs don't have a proc coeff, so they can't proc bands
full gale
Champions
tulip nimbus
True that was a stupid question
tired axle
Champions
yes, that's what the category is called, there are basic monsters (beetle, imp, lemurian), minibosses (elder lemurian, beetle guard, bisons) and champions (beetle queen, clay dunestrider, vagrant)
tulip nimbus
It's what the director calls them gabbo
full gale
What about scavs
tired axle
champions
tired axle
i'd guess he's considered a champion as well, not sure though
the list on the wiki is from pre 1.0
full gale
tired axle
imma ask charlie
tired axle
Does mithrix have his own category
mithrix most likely doesn't have a category since he isn't spawned by a director
he doesn't have a cost at least, and therefore also doesn't give money
same goes for other special bosses like awu, aurelionite and twisted scav
full gale
Truly the king of nothing
full gale
granite shard
Ahah so APR DOES make sense
Because they’re champions and only bosses if they have the red bar at the top of screen
raven lichen
yes
same for horde of many which is just normal mobs
i dont know either
i didnt think mini boss was a thing but i havent really looked very hard.
tired axle
oh? that's interesting, i wonder why the wiki would use it then
raven lichen
if i had an idea what the internal name would be i could look ig, or someone with a recompile could check a 'miniboss' enemy to be sure
i mean it makes some sense at least. i just havent seen it really
tired axle
hordes of many picks from any enemy right?
raven lichen
miniboss returns no results but champion does
Tbf it could be called something other than miniboss internally tho
heres the tele boss logic
which is weird
i remember looking at this before and thinking it seemed strange
but i might not be understanding fully
bool flag = !Run.instance.ShouldAllowNonChampionBossSpawn() || this.rng.nextNormalizedFloat >= 0f; this seems to imply that
Run.instance.ShouldAllowNonChampionBossSpawn() returns stagesCleared > 0, so anything after stage 1 basically is true
rng float > 0 is always true
so its false s1, and true after that
tired axle
so hordes of many can't happen on stage 1
i think that's true, except for artifacts or family events
tulip nimbus
he doesn't have a cost at least, and therefore also doesn't give money
Actually mithrix has the same director cost as a beetle lol
tired axle
wait what
hm, so i guess due to not being spawned by a director the reward multiplier gets set as 0?
raven lichen
yes
every enemy probably has the universal values set
tulip nimbus
Might have to do with why you never "kill" him in the logbook
raven lichen
but since he isnt spawned by a director theres no cost, therefore no reward
raven lichen
Might have to do with why you never "kill" him in the logbook
i think this is tied to the phase changes
AWU and aureli arethe same and work fine
tulip nimbus
Also true otherwise you would get 3 mithrix kills per fight
Yea idk does the code have anything about it
raven lichen
dont think so
but there are a bunch of different brother entities so
tired axle
the logbook mithrix should just count kills for p1 and p3, but neither of them die
full gale
Victimischampion 
tired axle
actually, does p4 die or does it change to brotherhaunt aka. the moon detonation?
raven lichen
heres the tele boss logic
flag = allowChampion (Stage > 1) OR RNG > 0 (this is always true)
i = 0
count = finalMonsterCardsSelection length
while (i < count) [this looks like a for loop using while]{
add a card to the weighted selection that is finalMonsterCardsSelection at position i
(this adds each option to the selection pool. It very possible the weights are baked into the spawn card for the stage,
since I dont see any here)
isChampion = is the card a champion lol
flag2 = spawn card not null && its forbidden
if( isChampion == flag[if the target is a champion] && NOT flag2[not forbidden] && the card is valid)
add it as a choice to the weightedSelection
increment i by one
if the choice selection is bigger than 0...
debug log 'couldnt spawn boss'
prepare the tele spawn by randomly selecting from the weightedSelection
spawn timer set to -600, so very eager to spawn
what this looks like to me, simplified:
get all monsters for the stage
put all champions in a list
if the list has stuff in it, log that it couldnt spawn a boss, and spawn a random enemy from the list of bosses?...
I cant really make sense of this, it was probably changed at some point and theres a bit of leftovers.
It doesnt look like horde of many should ever happen, since it appears to only add champions to the pool
There seems to be no failsafe if no valid cards exist either, it looks like it just does nothing.
Im not sure how this allows HoM to happen.```idk
cant figure it out
if someone else wants to see if i messed something up be my guest haha, id love to understand it better
frank musk
I just got RoR2 like 2 days ago, anyone wanna play?
tired axle
try asking in #lfg-pc-ror2
tired axle
yes?
frank musk
how does one get roles
tired axle
frank musk
ah, okay, thanks
tired axle
you're welcome
onyx hearth
if someone else wants to see if i messed something up be my guest haha, id love ...
Do you know what finalMonsterCardsSelection can be set to?
Because it’s capital C count for Horde of many, and the while loops finishes itself before the horde happens
Assuming FinalMonsterCardSelection.Count is 5 it’ll try five times to find a valid champion, raising i each time. When it fails, since it had more than 0 tries (5) summon a Horde of Many
If there are no finalMonsterCardSelection it skips the process entirely is what the >0 is for…
I might be pulling an L here and have no idea what I’m saying
elfin wigeon
full gale
tired axle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559901453834256404/852960882773196850/RoR...
this is actually amazing, i love it
woeful spade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559901453834256404/852960882773196850/RoR...
Pete is a treasure
full gale
I stole this one too👍
raven lichen
Because it’s capital C count for Horde of many, and the while loops finishes its...
the capital C count is a property of the array
So its saying local variable count is equal to the Count property of that array
so then at the bottom its also using a property of the weighted selection, rather than the 'count' variable, since its weightedSelection.Count, which returns the length of the array
or in this case the weighted selection which is a little different but same concept
deft verge
the solus probe is past the teleport barrier
were basically softlocked
we cant do artifact portal either bc the tp isnt fully charged
granite shard
yeeep that can happen
it wont path back, sorry
raven lichen
top secret trick if you are worried you have more knockback than damage
you can open the artifact portal before the tele, and even during the tele you can go through
doesnt help now though
gray gazelle
Console commands
somber jetty
Hey Guys
desert atlas
hello
somber jetty
Exactly
fallow depot
chat was dead so long its behind on items and will continue to die for the rest of the stages
somber jetty
chat was dead so long its behind on items and will continue to die for the rest ...
Ewwww you talk in gd2 unironically
summer terrace
gd2 is epic
marble verge
if gd1 is a lawless wasteland then gd2 is the one city that is still standing and functioning
fallow depot
not often, i was just lurking in gd1 and saw people mention gd2
somber jetty
not often, i was just lurking in gd1 and saw people mention gd2
Check my sayings in this chat
fallow depot
gd2 feels like the nice place to talk about things i successfully do in the game
marble verge
Gd1 is hell
desert atlas
gd2 feels like the nice place to talk about things i successfully do in the game
rallypoint delta is shit
fallow depot
gd1 feels like a chaotic discussion of opinions on game balance or something
marble verge
scorched acres supremacy
desert atlas
yes
somber jetty
gd1 feels like a chaotic discussion of opinions on game balance or something
and a place where people go to lose sanity
honestly its nice here
fallow depot
sacred
desert atlas
somber jetty
I can post my Hate Speech Ran- I mean funny jokes that are related to RoR2 in here
marble verge
scorched acres best stage because beautiful garden
somber jetty
scorched acres best stage because beautiful garden
Sundered Grove
No honestly Sundered Grove is the worst map
fallow depot
i see a pattern of this chat having more screenshots of like the ends of great runs, which is probably because the image wont get buried, and in a dead chat it can cause a discussion on something
somber jetty
Next to Distant Roost and Wetland Aspect
fallow depot
rallypoint delta fan does not imply scorched acre hater, i just think its funny because rallypoint delta has fans
crisp cosmos
Ok say what you want abour sundered but it’s the best looking map
marble verge
rallypoint delta fan does not imply scorched acre hater, i just think its funny ...
go zooooœöõm
crisp cosmos
Other than maybe titanic plains
somber jetty
Ok say what you want abour sundered but it’s the best looking map
Yeah totally is 😮💨
marble verge
Ok say what you want abour sundered but it’s the best looking map
scorched acres
fallow depot
sky meadow and sundered are v nice looking
oh right when im not focusing on the clay templars acres is v nice
crisp cosmos
scorched acres
You just have a grovetender fetish be quiet
marble verge
🙂
fallow depot
the background of acres in particular
marble verge
You just have a grovetender fetish be quiet
fallow depot
honestly i love all the stages in this game when it comes to looks, though i guess wetland is a bit bland? its still unique
faint river
rallypoint delta fan does not imply scorched acre hater, i just think its funny ...
Doesn’t even have pools :(
marble verge
distant roost is the blandest imo
fallow depot
titanic plains is also pretty plain
keen onyx
I think i like the look of scorched acres best. But navigating it is such a pain
crisp cosmos
titanic plains is also pretty plain
You take that back dammit
fallow depot
well its in the name!
tulip nimbus
titanic plains is also pretty plain
Titanic plain
fallow depot
is very plains
marble verge
titanic plains has personality with the giant arches and shit, it feels like an abandoned alien structure, so massive you can’t understand what it’s purpose was
distant roost is trees lol
fallow depot
distant roost is just a place with some weird birds to snipe
fallow depot
sky meadow has rocks that counts
crisp cosmos
The only cool part about distant is the colossus body you can see off in the distance
fallow depot
the water is p cool
marble verge
splush
crisp cosmos
Ok maybe
fallow depot
i personally like the variant that can sometimes have the island much more
than the weird bridge-y variant
marble verge
yes.
tulip nimbus
Bro distant roost actually has a lot of cool stuff but most of it is oob
marble verge
i personally like the variant that can sometimes have the island much more
you have the right opinion
crisp cosmos
I think titanic plains is the perfect stage 1
fallow depot
definitely a great stage 1
marble verge
Plains-aqueduct-acres-sirens
fallow depot
wouldn't want it any other way
crisp cosmos
Easy to see around, lots of room, not too many enclosed spaces
manic hare
Hello
I just bought the game and am looking for someone who’s willing to deal with my inexperience and possibly teach me a few things
marble verge
Plains-aqueduct-acres-sirens
my favorite stage combination
crisp cosmos
Distant is too claustrophobic imo
fallow depot
Hello
I just bought the game and am looking for someone who’s willing to deal wi...
lfg chats could be helpful
manic hare
Yeah it would be nice if they were
fallow depot
anywhere but gd1 probably
crisp cosmos
Too busy sending unfunny memes and among us
fallow depot
game-questions can help teach you some things, they're pretty nice from what i remember
anyways im heading out for the night
manic hare
I don’t really wanna figure out everything day one, I just want somebody to play with tbh
Good night, Jacob, thanks for the help ^-^
fallow depot
i'd probably offer to play if it wasnt late-o-clock
crisp cosmos
I would help but my internet is bad and that wouldn’t be a good experience
manic hare
It’s better than accidentally going through the gold portal thinking “ooooo bonus world?”
manic hare
...
I recognize that, wholly and completely
I am, at the very least, somewhat experienced in roguelikes. I just haven’t played a 3d one before
crisp cosmos
Ah that’s fair
I personally like learning the hard way but I can understand wanting help
Hope you find someone to play with
hybrid vine
new to risk of rain 2? welcome
abstract river
Welcome Rox!! I really like helping new folks. Feel free to ping me anywhere here if you’ve got a question.
dull ingot
Risk of Rain
scarlet zenith
No way same
tired axle
just a short representation of what merc's single target rotation with WW BA SW looks like, the execution wasn't perfect but oh well
i forgot those don't embed, well, fuck me i guess
try 2
there we go~
high torrent
lotta damag
half kraken
try 2
i think you're waiting too long after the third slash at times
you can do it a lot faster
merry karma
musice
half kraken
though i dont think single target rotation matters very much as merc because
the only big enough hp enemy for the full combo is bosses or unusual enemies like elite elder
and for these there are enemies around
so i think it's better to learn to be flexible and alter your combo on the fly so you can use the aoe expose procs to your advantage and that way deal more damage against the boss
tired axle
i mean, it's pretty much the same rotation either way, just full m1 combo -> r -> shift -> m2 doesn't matter if any are on cooldown when you press the buttons
tired axle
not so sure about that, if you hit 3 enemies SW will still have a 3s cooldown, so you kinda need the extra exposed from m1, no?
and i can't see a reason why you would not cancel SW with BA/WW
half kraken
i mean you do that just about all the time yes
its just that sometimes you deviate from the formula a bit just to press R one more time faster
i often get my R back in like 1-2 seconds after using it
specially on beetle queen
also ba can be on cooldown
ex you just used the final ba and immediatelly got a sw
tired axle
yes, then you cancel winds with WW, as you can see in the video
half kraken
thats why i like just 1 backup mag as merc a lot
assures i pretty much always have m2 as a recovery cancel option
tired axle
you always have m2 if you do the rotation
half kraken
yeah but again sometimes its better to do something different
which is why i think videos of killing a stone titan standing still, while good for teaching, are very innacurate
my kills against the first boss in game are usually faster
unless its vagrant ||because i cant slam vagrants for shit||
marble verge
tired axle
yeah but again sometimes its better to do something different
yeah, i seriously can't see that. i'm currently testing it again on 5 titans and SW comes back online when the second m1 swing starts, but in that case it's just more dps to wait 0.4s more till the 3rd m1 swing starts. if you have an example of where you would break the rotation other than for defensive purposes please share.
half kraken
this one wasnt very proper because i dont care much about stage 1 and i wasnt paying attention but here
if you look at the sw cooldown on the bottom i could have done better and used it one or two more times
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559901453834256404/852256047272165426/tri_tips.mp4
if i didnt have 4 tri tips
the extra expose proc from the beetle guard would have made a difference in the long run
but the queen died too early
again not really a proper example lol its just the only thing i have
tired axle
in that example you didn't use SW in time for the rotation, it was off cooldown when you dashed
half kraken
after that empty whirlwind into nothing for example
i could have R'd instead of immediatelly m1ing and then gotten an R back really fast afterwards
tired axle
after that empty whirlwind into nothing for example
i have no idea what you're referring to, would you mind giving me the time?
tired axle
0:14 is when you just didn't use SW before the dash, no?
wait, nvm, i'm stupid
yeah, i legit have no idea what you're talking about
hm, so you mean that in 0:14 you should have immediately transitioned to SW rather than using m1 first?
cause while that would have been more burst damage, it's less in the long run due to not getting the extra m1 exposed
furthermore it leads to you not having m2 for the dash cancel
half kraken
due to not getting the extra m1 exposed
but i'd get 3 expose procs from that sw anyway
tired axle
which explains the thing you said about backup mag earlier
half kraken
there were 3 more enemies around
tired axle
> due to not getting the extra m1 exposed
but i'd get 3 expose procs from that ...
yes, but 3 is less than 6+
which a regular rotation gives
if you hit 3 enemies that is
half kraken
yes, but 3 is less than 6+
these build up into a faster significant difference i think
idk bro im not putting much attention into this im kind of busy
this is hard to meaaure
ill just say that fme doing something else helps at times
tired axle
idk bro im not putting much attention into this im kind of busy
this is hard to...
which is why i'm literally measuring it rn
not doing the m1 combo results in you only having SW up every second rotation due to only getting a 3s reduction
TTK wise this is 3 seconds slower on 5 titans than the regular rotation on merc, it's not a lot worse, but it's in no way better
somber jetty
which is why i'm literally measuring it rn
tired axle
I mean, i did make a spreadsheet about other people's dick size before
full gale
What
tired axle
I'm mainly confused about the fact that like 60% of the people i asked actually gave me their size
half kraken
@merry karma hold shift to react trolls faster
merry karma
i know
full gale
I'm mainly confused about the fact that like 60% of the people i asked actually ...
Why did you
What the fuck
tired axle
I was bored
full gale
🧐
tired axle
I lead to some funny interactions
tired axle
Eh, sure
tired axle
Eh, most guys think their dicks are smaller than they actually are, i'm sure it's fine
tired axle
Ey gabbo, you wanna be part of the statistic?
full gale
Do I now
tired axle
Idk, maybe, i have no idea why anyone wanted to be part of this
tired axle
Uh, one sec, i don't think i actually saved it on my phone so i gotta search for it
full gale
quaint edge
...interesting
somber jetty
...interesting
👍
tired axle
It was actually 66%, 8 out of 12 people
loud ermine
Amazing game discussion in here today
severe chasm
Withor is really going off in GD2 today lol
tulip nimbus
Withor is really going off in GD2 today lol
New spafnar video
severe chasm
Neat
somber jetty
New spafnar video
I will never see the video because Im not subscribed
tulip nimbus
Good
final shadow
based on the hardware that's installed in it
vapid turret
artificer is based
😔
plain briar
arti good
vapid turret
I cannot deny this
merry karma
(based means very cool)
plain briar
. 🧠
(👁️👃👁️)
👄
👌 ~~ ❤️ ~~🤙
👖
👢 👢
low laurel
🕶️🤓
🖖🟡👌
🦵🦵
plain briar
lol
fiery latch
hot
crisp cosmos
dammit I came here for salvation and it's not much better
crisp cosmos
go fuck me yourself, coward
fiery latch
strange threat
lime forge
surely nothing strange is going on in gd-2 tonight
crisp cosmos
not in here officer
lime forge
certainly, certainly
just making my rounds
checking in on some incident reports, following leads
wild umbra
Did you get any?
fiery latch
🕶️🤓
🖖🟡👌
🦵🦵
this
i don't want to copy it wholesale because i don't want to steal their thunder
lime forge
Did you get any?
I can't disclose police documents at the moment but I can say that I'm following up on some reports
fiery latch
fucking narc
winged trail
Got this weird cauldron where it offered soldier's syringe for a red item
granite shard
ye those are a thing
you get 3
if you got some red scrap or useless red items you dont want you can chuck em
winged trail
Oh neat. Never seen these before
granite shard
e.g.: soulbound is worthless for you here but you dont wanna risk losing behemoth so it's a no-go unless youre a chad
winged trail
Cool cool. Fr I thought this was a bug or something lol
granite shard
its legit and kinda neat if you hate headstompers as much as i do ;)
\/ I'm not explaining to you what a joke is
high torrent
uhuwhuwh muh moevemnt
pearl mantle
I genuinely dislike scrappers. I can understand the reasoning behind it, being a “risk reward” thing or an “investment,” but it doesn’t fit with the “intentional game design” of some items being objectively better than others.
If you intentionally make bad items, then call scrapping them a “risk,” it just doesn’t make sense. It’s not a risk because those items are apparently intentionally bad so it’s just a free reward and removes any sense of rng to the point where it’s comparable to choosing your item in the first place.
high torrent
wait where is this copypasta from
pearl mantle
it’s not
high torrent
i remember reading exact same thing in february-march
tired axle
i don't think they're supposed to be risk vs reward, it's more of just rng mitigation
pearl mantle
probably was also me in #ror2-feedback-discussion lmao
pearl mantle
i don't think they're supposed to be risk vs reward, it's more of just rng mitig...
Wait really? I thought they mentioned risk/reward in the steam post about the scrapper
high torrent
scrapper is more like, aight this stuff isn't really working for me, imma make myself nother build
yeah ror2 is hardly a game with rng relatively to other roguelikes
tired axle
eh, somewhat i guess, but they do talk about the player skill factor of identifying which ones ya need
The goal of this interactable is for players to be able to identify what items are important to them right now, and to risk being weaker now for being stronger later.
pearl mantle
Imo it just gets boring always going back to bleed and crit stacking
pearl mantle
And I know the argument of “just don’t do that then lul” but I want to be able to do that and still succeed, ‘cause succeeding is fun
high torrent
also you are pretty lucky getting crit printers and bleed printers to get bored of that
pearl mantle
play another character then
I was just using an example but yeah you have a point
I might just be bored of the game
high torrent
there's lot of builds
pearl mantle
console update schedule is like that
high torrent
oh lol console
pearl mantle
I mean there are a lot of builds but some builds are generally better than others i.e. 
, 
, 
, or 
& 
or obvi engi bungus
tired axle
eh, those are just the most common ones due to not requiring a specific yellow/red. n'kuhana's or little disciple can easily get that strong if you get the supporting items
also you kinda forgot about proc chains it seems
pearl mantle
also you kinda forgot about proc chains it seems
Yeah I realized that afterwards
tired axle
and helwire
pearl mantle
eh, those are just the most common ones due to not requiring a specific yellow/r...
Honestly I had a little disciple run as merc and I just wish that there were more opportunities for unique runs like that in the game
tired axle
you could also do a build around happiest mask when playing engi, though that is probably the least common
pearl mantle
Some yellows like 
just make things that are already powerful more powerful
Which isn’t necessarily bad but it helps my case that the options are limited
tired axle
i generally think yellows should give you an opportunity for a unique build, like little disciple, planula and empathy cores
pearl mantle
I’m a fan of that idea
tired axle
though i guess planula also kinda boosts an already existing build with helfire, but it's not too common to get mad about imo
pearl mantle
I think the best I can do rn is just wait for the next console update haha
Glad to see that someone thinks the same way though
tired axle
oh, actually there's also an on kill build i guess, though that does require fmp if you're going for mithrix
pearl mantle
On kills are fun minus the computer fan
tired axle
and another thing, stealth kit is kinda a build now after the rework
you can get close to perma invisibility with a couple stacks
tired axle
not sure if anyone made a video on that yet
i never tried going for it myself since i honestly don't play the game that often rn
could just try it in a command run i guess
tired axle
just a normal run
onyx hearth
How commencement stage two? Console commands?
high torrent
no, natural primordial tp spawned
tired axle
How commencement stage two? Console commands?
yeah, i was testing the thing for you in game questions, and decided to finish the fight
onyx hearth
Ah
onyx hearth
no, natural primordial tp spawned
I mean w modded that happens all the time
merry karma
then I freaked it
fluid notch
ok
tired axle
my drone is just floating directly above two beetles who are trying to attack it
high torrent
big troll
tired axle
it's not moving at all
high torrent
beetles kissing😳
dense basin
That’s cute
high torrent
~~could be us 👉 👈 😳 ~~
merry karma
ok
dense basin
Mmmmmnope I’m out
high torrent
lmao
dense basin
Go pull a runald and kjaro with someone else, I’ll stop by during my god run and shower you with atg, ok? Ok
somber jetty
~~could be us 👉 👈 😳 ~~
👍
whole lotus
just a normal run
wait mithrix has 5 special charges?
tired axle
all 5 are removed when he uses it
half kraken
lmao these icons are fucking hilarious
fluid notch
hammer
crisp cosmos
So like, can Mithrix die instantly before the 4th phase starts?
I thought he was invincible during it but I was playing the other day and he died before the item phase could even start
marble verge
sometimes that just happens
crisp cosmos
Weird
tired axle
I thought he was invincible during it but I was playing the other day and he die...
he's not invincible for like 1 frame or so after he spawns, kjaro's band is the most consistent way to kill, or at least stagger him during that period
if you do stagger him he will actually just skip the item succing
wild umbra
There once was a ship that went to seas
fluid notch
no
wild umbra
Damn
fluid notch
impossible
dense basin
There once was a ship that went to seas
the name of the ship
wild umbra
WAS THE BILLY OF TEA
dense basin
the winds blew up, her bow dipped down~
wild umbra
Blow my billy boys blow
wild umbra
Bokay
lavish ocean
welcome to civilized gd1
marble verge
If gd1 is the post-apocalyptic wasteland, gd2 is the one city that is still standing
onyx hearth
it's impossible to civilize gd1
That’s why it’s gd2
dull ingot
If gd1 is the post-apocalyptic wasteland, gd2 is the one city that is still stan...
true
fluid notch
lily
stable junco
I'm now DML.
full gale
Well actually did you know dml gets completely outclasses by 2 stacks of a white item and therefore it'a an useless equipment?
stable junco
Fireworks goes brrrrr.
full gale
They even have aoe!
merry karma
haha observer is useless
stable junco
lol
fluid notch
essence engi
high torrent
Well actually did you know dml gets completely outclasses by 2 stacks of a white...
by two stacks of white item that isn't even on a cooldown
winged gull
What is dml ?
merry karma
full gale
dull ingot
fluid notch
nintendo labo
winged gull
Ohh thank you
toxic charm
I'm now DML.
can you theoretically kill the shop guy
stable junco
can you theoretically kill the shop guy
Yes
toxic charm
does anything happen
toxic charm
bruh
stable junco
Think it as a test dummy.
stable junco
If you are strong enough , you can kill it before it does that.
toxic charm
i figured
stray gorge
only haters kill newt tho and u should feel horrible abt urself to even attempt
proper tartan
gd2
dull ingot
🇯
🇳
onyx hearth
I just got insta-killed by WipWip
fleet torrent
risk of rain 2 basically described addiction perfectly with the spinel tonic
full gale
risk of rain 2 basically described addiction perfectly with the spinel tonic
Are we sure it's a 20% chance to get damaged with drugs irl
dull ingot
Are we sure it's a 20% chance to get damaged with drugs irl
please dont test
full gale
De I have a clover irl
Plus if I perma uptime on drugs there's no way it'll cause anything bad to happen
dull ingot
you don't have any gestures of drowned irl so
full gale
But I can stash up on drugs with ghor's tomes irl
fleet torrent
"nah don't worry i won't get addicted i found this leaf"
full gale
Yep
dull ingot
But I can stash up on drugs with ghor's tomes irl
good luck with getting outside to buy some food while having a giant syringe in your hand
full gale
good luck with getting outside to buy some food while having a giant syringe in ...
I can make it work
winged stream
sex
dense basin
bungus.
halcyon pulsar
Who wants to discuss a loader tier list I made? I want to hear other's thoughts on it.
tulip nimbus
A loader tier list
next herald
tulip nimbus
Honestly not terrible, I would put red whip in c or b, sticky bombs in S and redo the reds completely
hybrid vault
why are headstompers and crowdfunder and corpsebloom so low
tulip nimbus
Alien head and soulbound don't have a reason to be s tier specifically alien head
hybrid vault
hooks should go higher because it does so much fucking damage
halcyon pulsar
i was conflicted between a and s
tulip nimbus
Dios should be C and behemoth and disk can both be S
hybrid vault
dml should be f tier
hybrid vault
even volcanic egg outdamages dml
halcyon pulsar
dml?
hybrid vault
disposable missile launcher
tulip nimbus
Yea dml is shit
hybrid vault
Hooks on loader skin man
oh I don't endorse hooks lodr
halcyon pulsar
its good for applying onhits once you get later into the run
hybrid vault
but it's not necessarily bad
tulip nimbus
Goat hoof and energy drink should both be higher as well
hybrid vault
its good for applying onhits once you get later into the run
12 procs every 45 seconds lol
halcyon pulsar
yeah, movement is nice
hybrid vault
if you value procs like that, crowdfunder should go into SSS tier
15 procs a second is massive
tulip nimbus
Yea but no
Because they appropriately made the list to value damage items over proc items
halcyon pulsar
what point in the run should we base this tl off of
halcyon pulsar
i like stage 5 personally
hybrid vault
6mm type run
halcyon pulsar
cause that's the point where your ability to deal with multiple large threats is tested
i like to value the early game of a lot of equipments over their lategame effectiveness
tulip nimbus
Also if gorags and pauldron are so low there's no reason to have predatory in b
halcyon pulsar
there is the 5% crit that comes with predatory, which is nice, and id say more consistently powerful than pauldron
gorags can go higher
merry karma
wha
tulip nimbus
5% crit isn't enough to make it several tiers higher than other AS items imo; AS isn't good in loader in the first place either
half kraken
AS loader makes punch charge faster
as a thunderpunch enjoyer i think some AS would be excelent to have on charged
halcyon pulsar
cast time feels really nice, but i dont know about how valuable it is
halcyon pulsar
as a combo?
tulip nimbus
It's not that its terrible, like if you are waiting for punch and you just have like permenant scrap barrier then cool fast attack speed
But it shouldn't be prioritized
halcyon pulsar
i only experience the scrap barrier early stages before i start killing things too quickly to stack it/having to stay safe
tulip nimbus
Yea
Honestly if the just removed scrap barrier altogether no one would care
Hifu preparing a lionwhyte sized paragraph for us
@merry karma come back
tulip nimbus
True
halcyon pulsar
Revised Tierlist
merry karma
hooks still in F, second best m2 in the game damage-wise
you're trading a big chunk of your mobility for that damage but it's still like really good so (and the heavy keyword doesn't add that much damage to your shift)
and also crowdfunder, obviously you wanna use it after looting as money doesn't matter then, you're gonna get some use out of it early Game and past stage 3 you can use it a lot, on mithrix it's infinite
there's a lot more i could type but uh I'm kinda tired
hybrid vault
corpsebloom is 6mm is basically a free red item
halcyon pulsar
corpsebloom shafts healing for the most part
hybrid vault
it really doesn't
you usually won't be hitting the 10% healing cap without it in 6mm
halcyon pulsar
what is 6mm
hybrid vault
and corpsebloom + rejuv rack is 8x healing
hybrid vault
what is 6mm
stage 6 mithrix monsoon
halcyon pulsar
then, I don't have a problem with it
it becomes a hinderance once youre in a dangerous situation, which loader can get out of quickly
so corpsebloom is good then
i wouldn't say corpse bloom is red, more like a mid tier green
hybrid vine
corpsebloom is ehhh id rather just go transcendence and print healing into damage
whole lotus
shields are bussin
hybrid vine
most of my playtime is eclipse so theres a heavy bias there
halcyon pulsar
trancendence is great
whole lotus
psg is also amazing
halcyon pulsar
dont need any items to proc to use it
hybrid vine
stage 6 fight on monsoon is probably ok with corpsebloom
whole lotus
stage 6 fight on monsoon is probably ok with corpsebloom
ok is an understatement
unless ur rex
hybrid vine
i picked it up once and i was like "ok i am really not impressed" tbh
ended up killing mithrix anyways.
i think i was playing... acrid or commando. dont remember which one
halcyon pulsar
it feels meh
whole lotus
the difference between medkit with or without bloom is insane
it becomes 40 +10% of ur health iirc
which is really strong ofc
hybrid vine
did bandit update change corpsebloom at all
whole lotus
no
halcyon pulsar
i forgot about the 50% increase
whole lotus
its always been good but got better in 1.0 because stage 6
halcyon pulsar
i personally dont like psgs because they mess up OSP
whole lotus
psg makes healing better
halcyon pulsar
full sheilds is fine, but having to play with both sheilds and health creates problems
whole lotus
osp is baaad
hybrid vine
i dont mind psgs either but thats cus im shaped glass addict, i need as much as i can get
and yep osp is actually just hopoo propaganda; it just doesnt fucking exist rofl.
way too much two stage attacks to kill you in the game now
halcyon pulsar
osp has saved my life too many times against mythrix, vultures, brass contraptions, etc.
malachite spikes
psgs are good for giving a buffer to help you heal up your actual health
that sounds dumb now
they're basically an extension of hp
Looks like that's all on this episode of "Tierlist: Become Based"
hybrid vault
mercurial rachis is good
halcyon pulsar
you have to stay ground level as loader to apply it to yourself
hybrid vine
rachis is quite based not sure why its down there
halcyon pulsar
and playing around staying in a small area limits yourself more than the damage justifies
not to mention it powers up enemies as well
it is based on a lot of other characters, like mul-t, engi, and bandit with his invisibility, and potentially captian if he uses base beacons
ill move it up to f though
cause it isnt as bad as the others
as well as beads, in the case of speedrunning and playing for cleansing pools
Reasoning for polyp is that they fuck with crowbar damage
sheild gens go to the bottom of the whites at c
gonna reorganize the items based on tiers
what about slug down to B, i dont think it warrants being in A
and crowdfunder making it into C
hybrid vine
slug is pretty good
crowdfunder is unironically s tier
having a second m1 powered by gold is not to be taken lightly
dull ingot
crowdfunder is unironically s tier
hmm
raven lichen
Being absolutely wild s5+, very good for burst usage like preon s3/4, and being omly used sparingly s1/2 seems like a good tradeoff tbh...
10x the dps of capacitor with no need for gestures or fuel cells and the proc rate to match is really really good, so even if you never take it till s4 its just so good its easily A or S
I would say its stronger than cap, probably stronger than preon, situationally comparable to saw etc
HuD in a tier is the real big question haha
Hud is super underwhelming imo, like one of the worst equipment
onyx hearth
slug is sort of bad monsoon, especially in comparison with Monster tooth
hybrid vine
slug gets better when you have more than 3
and trust me even one cautious slug frees up a lot of pressure on monsoon
some more shit now that i look at your tier list with more attention:
onyx hearth
it's half as effective on monsoon, but it is still 1.5 regen
hybrid vine
- razorwire not in s is laughable considering you have tincture in s
- same thing with shaped glass considering you have tonic (yes i get they are different items but seriously shaped glass is pretty baller)
- recycler is s
- meathook and ceremonial are undervalued, frost relic and brainstalks are overvalued
- you way overvalue preon cus the cd is actual jank arse compared to others
- goat hooves s. this isnt for debate.
- planula is meh as fuck UNLESS you have razorwire build, id have it in c
- syringe is absolutely not d tier; it speeds up animations for most survivors too
- same with bleed. bleed is still absolutely bonkers if you get stacks of it
- woodsprite is undervalued
- why do you have vase, egg, and larvae in f tier; you literally can skip commencement with these items which is huge
- cube is s, jade elephant is a
maybe i'll add more if i can think of them
raven lichen
slug is half as effective but so is al regen
so its kinda still the same value compared to your regen
scaling with level makes it surprisingly potent
onyx hearth
Does cautious slug scale with level?
dull ingot
slug is half as effective but so is al regen
so its kinda still the same value c...
wait, does Heretic's negative regen get cut too in monsoon, or does it get stronger?
since monsoon is a 0.6 multiplier, which means hypothetically 40% less negative regen
raven lichen
it gets multiplied so it gets reduced lol
and on drizzle its much faster
which arguably makes her harder on drizzle
dull ingot
yeah
raven lichen
since 9 degen vs 6, or 3.6 on monsoon
dull ingot
weird concept, but also is pretty cool
raven lichen
also should be affected by the fire mult iirc
so 0 degen while on fire
since after burn sets regen to x0
but i mean ur on fire so uh
limited use haha
dull ingot
yeah, I assumed.. even though fire is in the name
dull ingot
so youd need to be ignited by enemies
just walk in blazing elite trail for heals 😎
raven lichen
😎 🔥
hushed gate
I'm sorry, how is hooks all the way down there?
it's arguably one of the most powerful secondaries in the game
olive cloud
I like corpsebloom a lot
dull ingot
made a tier list format a while ago, if anyone wants to use it
#gd1-nullified message
desert atlas
yeah
summer terrace
it does per tick the damage its supposed to do per second
desert atlas
hooks is great
halcyon pulsar
- razorwire not in s is laughable considering you have tincture in s
- same thin...
This is for loader.
halcyon pulsar
I'm sorry, how is hooks all the way down there?
it's arguably one of the most po...
Loader tierlist
dull ingot
hooks is op
I honestly think it's decent, but not "op". Just kinda.. okay at best
dull ingot
I really want a character with a lever action shotgun, and I watched some Bioshock infinite and I realized his explosive shotgun is exactly what I want in the game 😔
hushed gate
Wait, is bandit's gun pump action or lever action
halcyon pulsar
- razorwire not in s is laughable considering you have tincture in s
- same thin...
I reserve s-tier for runchanging items, razorwire is great, but not incredible
Recyclers is hard to rate, due to it being mostly RNG based. Yes, it can roll amazing things, and change a run on a dime but at the same time, it has the potential to do none of that. So it remains A, for not being garunteed to be godlike.
I agree on Planula. It's given at stage 5, and its stats are suited towards the early game, and gets canceled out by malachites and hits larger than 15. But, it has the potential for synergy with tincture and Repulsion Plating, and gives the option to heal off of burns and bleeds in a sticky situation.
Meathook is great, but not amazing on her specifically. Ceremonial is great when in a good run, and stacking onhits, and is ok at best when struggling with loot. It relies too much on other items, to start doing great damage. Brainstalks provide lots of mobility and damage, being great for eliminating several nearby threats.
Preon is good to save for finishing off, or starting a boss fight off with a lot of ATG, band, and crowbar procs.
Goat hooves are great, but not as necessary on Loader, due to her predetermined mobility.
Syringe is meh on loader, the decreased charge time is alright, but that's about all it does when in the mid to late game, and your M1 feels like a dull cheese grater.
Bleeds on loader are eh, not really meeting the C-tier power on her rather than most other survivors.
Woodsprite is good on loader, but a lot of other equipments tend to outperform with her.
Cube could probably be bumped into A, actually, it is pretty dang nice.
Vase, egg, and chrysalis are unnecessary on loader, and are generally a waste of the equipment slot.
dull ingot
woah buddy.. that's a lot of text 😆
halcyon pulsar
Ye
dull ingot
Cube could probably be bumped into A, actually, it is pretty dang nice.
I would argue Cube is easy S, since you can get a bunch of enemies together, which makes your Utility deal a lot more damage than just the base 2700%
halcyon pulsar
That is a great point actually, i forgot to consider that.
So, cube to S, medkit can probably go up a tier, now that I think of it, crowdfunder is alright with loader's itemization, but can't be used in the early-mid stages when money gives you speed and items early. Recycler remains really good and in A.
desert atlas
recycler is a nice utility
halcyon pulsar
It is, I love it when it makes the runs.
desert atlas
getting a clover then rerolling brainstalks into a mask is a great feeling
halcyon pulsar
getting a clover then rerolling brainstalks into a mask is a great feeling
Which character?
desert atlas
any character
halcyon pulsar
It depends for me
dull ingot
any character
honestly, brainstalks is 90% a take for me. I dislike mask a lot
desert atlas
I like mask
halcyon pulsar
I have ghostly dunestrider ptsd, but other than that, mask is alright.
desert atlas
never got a ghoststrider to suck me before
halcyon pulsar
The extra damage applies to you as well.
desert atlas
yeah I thought so
halcyon pulsar
It can take you out in like 2 seconds
desert atlas
did the urn buff fix the ghoststrider?
halcyon pulsar
First time it happened i was like, what the fuck is that?
halcyon pulsar
did the urn buff fix the ghoststrider?
Nah, ghostrider is an intended interaction I think.
desert atlas
yeah
halcyon pulsar
Cause they always suck monsters or survivors.
desert atlas
since the tendrils are technically neutral affiliation
otherwise the dunestrider wouldn't be nearly as strong as it is
halcyon pulsar
I dont like loader with mask whenever I specifically itemize for crowbar damage, and the ghosts chip away and deny me a oneshot
Any other time I'm totally fine with it
Its just that whenever I get a mask, I've usually picked one or more up by that point.
halcyon pulsar
Being absolutely wild s5+, very good for burst usage like preon s3/4, and being ...
I like the crowdfunder on all survivors mid-late, but on loader, I'm generally prioritizing damage modifiers, crowbars, bands, and AOE over standard onhits.
I like HUD a lot on loader specifically, because of you getting to choose when your damage is boosted, timing it with bands, Utility CD, and crowbar procs can lead to a ton of damage.
raven lichen
problem with HUD is just that you tend to get crit anyways, and a 50s CD is just not enough for 2x damage for a few seconds at best imo
i only run it when i have nothing better, little to no crit, and harvesters. i use it for burst healing, and id swap for fruit or sprite
even doubling one loader punch, you could have 2.5 capacitors, or a little over 1 DML for 3600%
so youd need to deal like 7.5k% in 8s for it to match other stuff, assuming you dont have any other crit.
Its purely CD for me, its just too slow to feel relevant
halcyon pulsar
problem with HUD is just that you tend to get crit anyways, and a 50s CD is just...
i thought the cd was 60 seconds, are you saying 52 with just downtime?
halcyon pulsar
(Loader Tierlist) Crowdfunder enthusiasts have persuaded me to bump it up a bit.
polar anvil
this tierlist is so bad what the hell
hasty mauve
Hey what list is this
halcyon pulsar
for loader
hasty mauve
No the link
lavish ocean
oh hey look its civilized gd1
halcyon pulsar
with loader you can't damage them on the outside when you're on the inside, so the cost for lunar coins doesnt really justify the time saved, as well as if its a tanky boss
if you're in a good run, it does speed it up though
polar anvil
loader doesnt have problems oneshotting a boss and just sitting inside the tp zone
halcyon pulsar
good point
im thinking it goes up to c then
as well as beads
im also thinking meteorite goes down a bit
it speeds up stages, and is good at netting some money, but is outclassed by the other equipments in A tier
tulip nimbus
oh hey look its civilized gd1
Hello
lavish ocean
hello
halcyon pulsar
it speeds up stages, and is good at netting some money, but is outclassed by the...
following that logic, convergence should be with them
hasty mauve
Here we go
dull ingot
oh hey look its civilized gd1
oh hey look it's Yoru
tulip nimbus
Here we go
Who is this for?
hasty mauve
Just general opinion
dull ingot
Here we go
watermark
very smart
hasty mauve
I know 😎
halcyon pulsar
that watermark tier
chef's kiss
tulip nimbus
God the tier list is just so bad tho
dull ingot
lol
halcyon pulsar
id say the majority is alright, but there are some that stick out a bit
hasty mauve
I like what I like
Tbh most of what I like is considered bad but I've never had an issue
tulip nimbus
Sorry not even the majority no
halcyon pulsar
especially the legendaries
dull ingot
I like how we're not talking about the actual tier list, just the ingenious watermark tier
tulip nimbus
I don't want to be a dick but its pretty bad
hasty mauve
A lot if items I don't really have a solid opinion if because I don't get them often
I've had meat hook like twice
hasty mauve
I don't remember
tulip nimbus
Do you understand how total damage works per chance
lavish ocean
oh hey look it's Yoru
oh hey look its dex
tulip nimbus
Okay just making sure
hasty mauve
I put sticky down there because I rarely ever seeing it doing any work when it matters, imo
If you're wondering why it's down there
tulip nimbus
Yea well that's not my only issue although that is in fact a major issue
halcyon pulsar
i feel as though we should focus on item tier first
start with reds, whites, or greens
thats dumb and gatekeepy
hasty mauve
Also capacitor is in b because yeah it's neat but I just don't like it as much lol
halcyon pulsar
clover, atg, predatory, capacitor, daggers, and meathook need to go in s
dull ingot
very smart idea: double huntress' base damage to make her viable
halcyon pulsar
those are the main issues for me
tulip nimbus
I'm going to send this to the lab I'll keep in anonymous tho
halcyon pulsar
onhits and proc-chain inducing items are a hard S
hasty mauve
Idc for proc meta
I don't like adhering to a meta which is why most of those items aren't in s but are higher on the list than most because I do know they're good
I play with things that I think are fun, not what's strongest
halcyon pulsar
oh, so this is a "how fun is it to get" list
tulip nimbus
Well maybe just clarify it's a fun tier list because good items are objective
hasty mauve
I said it's a personal opinion on what I like
Not that I think lepton daisy is an objectively as good item as atg in use
halcyon pulsar
okay, so this is just what you like, got it. No objectifying opinions here.
hasty mauve
also do let me know what lab thinks of my horrible item opinions
whole lotus
i feel like d tier as a tier doesnt really need to be there. all of the items have really good value right now
hasty mauve
actually maybe i was unfair to sticky bomb
it is pretty good at chunking elites
whole lotus
shield gens are also like
real nice and stickies iirc can be better than crit sometimes
it has surprisingly large aoe
high torrent
every item has its use and I barely print stuff nowadays
if I play on good characters that is
did a loader run yesterday, walked away with 4 white and 4 green scrap
on stage 2
whole lotus
shields make healing stronger by protecting your health and make regen stronger netting you more effective health
high torrent
printed 4 slugs
and a happiest mask
ngl those puddles from exploders do chunking mitchell pretty darn fast
hasty mauve
but shields also ruin osp and uh
yeah last run i kinda got chumped by a stone golem for that reason
high torrent
they do it only if you do perma uptime tincture
hasty mauve
while shield is down any enemy only has to be lucky once and bam youre dead