gd2-nullified

[limpid drum]

I don’t think it’s overhyped it’s totally worth the hype

It still puts in some fine work as long as you know the da tech even on a single target

[blazing lagoon]

it's pretty cool when you slicing winds a group of enemies, dash into them and slicing winds again

[balmy vault]

backup mags pretty bad on rex tbh

[full magnet]

Nah it's good

[blazing lagoon]

not if you run directive drill

[full magnet]

It allows you to spam it even more

[balmy vault]

plant moves are SO much better though

[blazing lagoon]

also even if you run seed barrage it allows you to bypass that .5 seconds cooldown

[full magnet]

Mags = no 0.5 sec cooldown I think

[balmy vault]

but its not an easily spammed move due to health cost

[full magnet]

It's health cost isn't that bad

[balmy vault]

the 0.5 cooldown has saved me sometimes from killing myself with barrage

[full magnet]

I spam all the time tbh

Never had a problem

As long as you run all plant skills

[blazing lagoon]

you can't kill yourself with barrage, but it does make you easier to get killed

[balmy vault]

clay templar go brrrr

[fallow depot]

when the jellyfish has red whip in void

[tulip nimbus]

Nyoom

[fallow depot]

goat hoof tougher times red whip jellyfish is frightening

[balmy vault]

Preon or spinal tonic on merc

[fallow depot]

if you can get perma uptime spinel, i would assume its better. but i dont know much

[balmy vault]

nvrmnd dunestrider killed me

[fallow depot]

F

[fallow depot]

oh my god i just nearly unlocked desperado but weak ass mithrix died to a debuff

welp, had some FMP catalyst resonance disc shenanigans for like half the run, though i think it was a missile that killed mithrix :/
its hard to get that kill with lights out mannn

[balmy vault]

i did it first try actually

it was pretty easy

[fallow depot]

when you have kjaros and atg and bleed, the chances of mithrix dying to something else is fairly high

• a good pace on rainstorm

[balmy vault]

ah thats true

i did it on rainstorm

but I had a lot of on hit effect items

[lavish ocean]

first time?

just go command and stack APR so you make your life easier m8

[lunar ocean]

I stacked crowbars for damage only, then entirely defensive items the whole run apart from cermonial dagger and stacking willowisp.. I nuked mith with my special ability, 32min run 🙂 Try that next time mate.

[haughty stirrup]

Whats yall opinion on Huntresses current damage output?

[high torrent]

wrong channel

it is sometimes not enough to deal with big threats if time slightly outscales you

[tepid wolf]

In general her damage output is quite low (the lowest actually)

She is better on consoles though where the auto aim is way more useful and you can use the 360° analog stick movement. Also a bunch of characters are bugged on console

[fluid notch]

Bad

[fallow depot]

good aoe damage, relies heavily on items. primary could be better, maybe ballista too. but i see huntress as an alternate commando with some built in aoe but less single target damage. i do think people underestimate how much she can kill. i was on monsoon and had 2 broochs, almost constant barrier from throwing glaive whilst focusing on the boss without even aiming. pretty op, i dont think she should be great if she is that convenient. only reason loader is straight up op is that loader is an unlock and also people love loader and devs like keeping loader OP

i dont think shes great but i also struggle to see how she could be good but not OP for a base character. i guess buffing the alts, like how commando when completely default isnt that fantastic?

[fallow depot]

i prefer not to use command, if i got all the challenges immediately then i’d have less game to play imo. that and i don’t even desperately want desperado

lights out is more my taste from what i hear, i just want the achievement. and if that means a few victories where i dont get it, thats fine. still free lunars!

[fluid notch]

Desperado is cool

[onyx hearth]

Does big damage first stage.

But bandit doesn’t need it

[fallow depot]

lights out is too fun to reset and spam

[tepid wolf]

Actually desperado always does insane damage

And lights out is fun, but a bit pointless when your M2 has a 4 second cooldown, your smoke bomb has 3 seconds of downtime and your R has a 4 second cooldown

And lights out falls off more than desperado over the run

[balmy vault]

i just got sw and harvester

[merry karma]

very cool

[fluid notch]

very cool

[gritty osprey]

very cool

[sinful lantern]

very cool

[onyx hearth]

What’s your opinion on void fields

[hybrid vine]

boring

[high torrent]

only based with starstorm and voidqol by rob

[hybrid vine]

not needed for good runs

[keen onyx]

Unfortunately its very tedious. I find anything that requires you to sit in an area and do anything from fight off an army at no items, to sit there as everything dies from making the fatal error of spawning very tedious. You get items and its a huge power boost, you unlock acrid the first time you beat it... but charge events in general are so tedious and boring

[fallow depot]

i swear ive gotten so many reds i just want rejuv rack for this darn rex achievement lol

discord silencing me

[dusky tide]

guys i'm in a semi-infinite stalemate against the twisted scavenger and at this point i'm just curious if it'll ever end

i don't deal enough damage to kill him before he uses the spinel tonic and he has leaf clover so he rarely ever gets the debuff

and i can't die

i've let this run in the background for 6 hours now

[icy phoenix]

GuraGura barely has any healing, so if you keep attacking him when the tonic is down, you should eventually kill him

[dusky tide]

the tonic heals him full so i'm just hoping he'll get enough debuffs until he doesn't have health

this is gonna take like 3 days

[icy phoenix]

Tonic shouldn’t fully heal him

[dusky tide]

it removes the debuff so it does

then jumps back down to full debuffed health

[icy phoenix]

It heals the missing health from the debuff, but it shouldn’t heal damage he’s already taken

[dusky tide]

idk it kinda does

[icy phoenix]

Do you have any bleed

[dusky tide]

nah i wanted to win with no effort at all so i went full tank and 17 razorwires

bad decision but now i'm comitted

[tulip nimbus]

Loll

[icy phoenix]

Yeah, I don’t know if you can do that with those items

[tulip nimbus]

What equipment?

[dusky tide]

perma jade elephant

[tulip nimbus]

Oh lol and you have razorwire?

Just get in close let him rough you up

What char

[dusky tide]

doesn't matter but acrid

[sand garden]

Lmao

[dusky tide]

ima just go to sleep and see what progress i make until tomorow

[tulip nimbus]

Poison or blight?

Probably blight

[dusky tide]

yea

i'm just gonna inform ya'll if he dies before my pc does lol

[tulip nimbus]

I mean perma uptime jade elephant with a full tank build and 17 razorwires sounds like it should work

[high torrent]

leaving poor acrid with perma uptime elephant is a bad idea

500 armor is extremely low

[fallow depot]

YOO i got full of life! i grabbed infusions after beating tp on stage 15, and then killed some rocks, used my fruit, boom no rejuv rack needed

thank artifact of enigma ambry for giving me fruit. now time to probably abandon fruit for blast shower bands

actually ehhh do i

[high torrent]

of course you do

[fallow depot]

i mean fruit has saved me a few times but

[high torrent]

blast shower is megapogggg

[fallow depot]

it IS blast shower, which can also save me. and 4 fuel cells?

[high torrent]

if blast shower deletes projectiles, why would you need healing then

[high torrent]

wide fruit

[fallow depot]

now time to unlock another artifact, thinking frailty is safer than glass

time to not fall

how many fuel cells/gestures for perma blast shower?

[high torrent]

all of them

[dull ingot]

There's not a permanent uptime, since blast shower doesn't have an effective active time

[fallow depot]

well i meant like

least downtime in clearing stuff

[dull ingot]

Although getting gesture and around 20 fuel cells can't hirt

[dull ingot]

Idk, just get as many as you can lol

[fallow depot]

also i have 5 psg's as rex, thinking scrapping sounds smart

darnit i gave the blast shower to a dumb drone

[dull ingot]

Nice

[dry rampart]

.

  ![meteor](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/569575157195079705.webp?size=128 "meteor")       ![meteor](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/569575157195079705.webp?size=128 "meteor") ![meteor](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/569575157195079705.webp?size=128 "meteor")

[fallow depot]

the scene of a murder

[balmy vault]

meteors on sundered grove is miserable

you can't see anything

[fallow depot]

oh no its guragura

nvm about the oh no

[balmy vault]

what does the dyno bot do

[dull ingot]

[tall quarry]

Fosus crystal

[dull ingot]

mostly just #ror2-feedback-and-ideas-related things, but also if you post links too fast, he'll hit you with a message

[slow condor]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-dead-ko-faint-gif-17440398

found behemoth printer
why not
microbots gone

https://tenor.com/view/rage-korean-gif-11690731

[merry karma]

true

[balmy vault]

nice

[summer terrace]

nice

[balmy vault]

lost the run due to the low battery notif

not nice

[fallow depot]

imagine being able to print away your passive

[onyx hearth]

(Artificier trading her emv suit for a soldier syringe)

[latent basin]

Engineer printing away turrets for nkuhana

[onyx hearth]

Big brain

[amber totem]

Console players whenever risk of rain 2 exists: I CAN HAS UPDATE?

[solar nimbus]

ngl, a soup-like intractable that permanently takes one of your skills at random for a red sounds badass, could work like heretic losing one of her items

like sure that's a lovely clover but you just lost your m1 lmao was it worth it

[whole lotus]

weed

[balmy vault]

i just got scammed out of a red item i think

just beat an alloy worship unit

no red item to be seen

[lunar crystal]

What the heck does it mean Acrid has no natural armor

[rare heart]

He has 20 armor...

[proven lance]

Just finished a great Mul-T run

[fading spoke]

heretic got 4 clovers
but at what cost?

[dry rampart]

All...

[fallow depot]

luckyy you got environment logs for places! been trying to find those, the only environment scanners ive found are distant roost and sundered grove

oh and scorched actually

[unreal sundial]

How does one engage in the beacon cancel for captain

[dull ingot]

Sprinting

[unreal sundial]

Sorry I meant the extreme dps cancel thing

Not just cancelling beacons regularly

[summer terrace]

that's how you do it though

[merry karma]

#ror2-game-questions message

[summer terrace]

I don't remember the exact order bc it's kind of a meme

[worn meteor]

Хм..

[worn meteor]

https://prnt.sc/12ysfl3

[rancid aurora]

can someone tell me why did I get killed at the end of the game by the planet?

after the detonation timer ran out 2 secs later I died

I got so fucking pissed because it was my first time I reached the end of the game

[fading spoke]

the detonation timer ran out

[rancid aurora]

but I was in the spaceship

[fading spoke]

Maybe it still killed because detonation timer?

[dark arrow]

you have to fully charge the ship before you leave, and sometimes if the time runs out right as you finish charging, it can still kill you

[fading spoke]

@rancid aurora console or pc?

[rancid aurora]

pc

[fading spoke]

this then

[rancid aurora]

well damn. I had a great mul-t run with 4 red items. maybe next time...

[balmy vault]

i love getting to mithrix while skipping pillars with merc

[true raptor]

I like to bring a vase to skip the pillars

[atomic mortar]

I just get and fly up

[summer terrace]

[merry karma]

the timer also counts the fade out

[balmy vault]

:(

sad

i was so close

[remote relic]

How many extra lives is too many?

[balmy vault]

wtf

[remote relic]

XD

Is there a problem?

[balmy vault]

very much

[remote relic]

Stage 1 void fields into soulbound catalyst

Royal capacitor and then shred

Grab some convergences and cruise

[balmy vault]

-_-

[severe chasm]

?

That red is insane why are you upset?

Running focused and evis so you can get to max height really easily too

2nd highest band proc in the game behind diablo

🧡

[azure tiger]

It's shit

Only useful for fall damage negation

[severe chasm]

Have you tried actually using it with bands? lol

[balmy vault]

bug

[severe chasm]

The AOE is also insane

[balmy vault]

i am stuck in this postion and i love it

[floral gazelle]

Honestly the damages are hella great.

[severe chasm]

I feel like some people here are playing a completely different game

Like they are playing CU0 and not the anniversary update

[azure tiger]

Sure lemme take 10 seconds to do this one slam attack

[floral gazelle]

Also holy ship is this item useful for MAAO or Eclipse.

[severe chasm]

That hits for 10000% lmao

He has both focused and evis

[floral gazelle]

It just doesn't work well with quail.

[severe chasm]

Getting to max damage is easy af

[severe chasm]

I disagree completely

It's insane with quail because you can trimp and get to max damage height extremely quickly

[floral gazelle]

Dunno, it feels like the jump boost falls off in the end of the jump.

[severe chasm]

In terms of stage movement it's weird but combat mobility is insane with it

[floral gazelle]

It's insane with hopoo feather or Arti jump tho.

[severe chasm]

It also does 1700% at max jump height

Meaning you don't even have to go too far out of your way for good damage

That's almost a full charge nano bomb lmao

[balmy vault]

i tried it

halved an imp boss health

pretty fun ngl

[tulip nimbus]

I love watching people argue headstompers is bad because woolie said so 10 months ago

[remote relic]

Headstompers is how you beat mithrix as melee

[balmy vault]

woolie is bad

[tulip nimbus]

Correct

[balmy vault]

i know

[dull ingot]

headstompers is trash, destroyed a run by flinging me up to a void reaver's explosion

easily an f tier

[twilit sphinx]

^can confirm

[tulip nimbus]

Skill issue

[balmy vault]

user error

[hybrid vine]

"headstompers is bad"
woolie forgot that eclipse is a difficulty

[tawny shuttle]

What is the best skill build for loader?

[balmy vault]

here: dont play lodr

[severe chasm]

It's really up to personal preference. I personally like all alternates

Pylon is really good wisp clear and AOE but thunderslam is yet another high base damage attack

[balmy vault]

lodr really needs more of those

[severe chasm]

Charged punch is better during the Mithrix fight but takes longer to charge and has less AOE

Grapple is up to personal preference but I like the spike one for the stun and the ability to pull enemies towards me

[coarse umbra]

Lunar items can solve the charge delay

[severe chasm]

Which ones?

Remind me

[floral forge]

focused convergence

er wait attack speed

tonic i guess?

[keen onyx]

Its... none of those. You are thinking of purity

[severe chasm]

They mean charge delay

Not cooldown, I legitimately don't know of a lunar that increases attack speed that isnt tonic lol

[zealous grove]

i still feel like headstompers are bad even though they do good damage
they need to have you actually hold space to do the big jump, let you still do a normal hop with tap

on paper, great item
makes the game feel worse, which unless you're a computer, is an actual thing to consider

[glacial sluice]

If you remember to use it a lot its not as bad

[coarse umbra]

Apologies, I thought the cooldown was the issue, in that case doesn't the attack syringe help with it?

[severe chasm]

Yeah it does. But attack speed isn't really something you prioritize on Loader with thunderpunch

[coarse umbra]

Understandable

[vital quail]

thunderpunch+thunderslam is my go to

I don't miss the pylon wisp clear tbh, thunderpunch cone is more than enough

and the charge time on charged punch gives me depression

[gloomy dune]

Trying to do Glorious Battle challenge, can I use shaped glass to get my health under 10% or does that not count?

[polar anvil]

no

[gloomy dune]

Bugger

[keen onyx]

10% of your total health, sorry pal. Shields, barrier, health, all that effects it. Glass too

[lavish ocean]

heres the plan

hope ur teleporter is close to a cliff

jump off the cliff until ur lower than 10%

make sure u charge the tp until around 90~% first tho

OR

you can use artifact of glass

which increase your dmg by 500% but leaves your health at 10%

[high torrent]

so you die

[gray tide]

apparently this channel is an oasis

[full gale]

Look at how helpful and normal they're being here man

[lavish ocean]

this is the ACTUAL game discussion

[gray tide]

damn

@full gale spittin strait facts

[lavish ocean]

and gd1 is a place for people with possibly less than 10 brain cells

[full gale]

Yeah see

[lavish ocean]

but i live in both gd1 and gd2

[gray tide]

so is there a rivalry between the gd1 and gd2

[lavish ocean]

no

[full gale]

Not really

[high torrent]

keep in mind that anything that directly changes your health won't really help with this challenge, you need to miss 90% of your health exactly, it's the easiest with rainstorm+rex+fall off the cliff on 96-98% of charging

[high torrent]

same people, we just trying to keep this place sane

[lavish ocean]

but there is a rivalry between @fluid notch and people who support lepton daisy

[full gale]

Gd2 is simply a place where you can find peace and tranquility after having your psyche destroyed by gd1's mere existence

[gray tide]

so gd1 is for the crazy shit

[full gale]

Absolutely

[lavish ocean]

obviously

[high torrent]

general is for politics

[full gale]

^ never go there

[gloomy dune]

Oh sorry yeah I figured it would be easy to get a spawn with a teleporter close to the edge and that's what I had done, and now I'm finished with the challenge! Thanks for the tip however

[gray tide]

holy shit do people actually bring up polotics in this server

[high torrent]

quite frequently, but it's limited to one channel

[lavish ocean]

wow cant believe he didnt reply mine even though i replied first 😔

[gray tide]

wow

that is terrible

[lavish ocean]

indeed

[gray tide]

im all for freedom of speech, but in a server like this i honestly think that shit should be banned

like polotics as a whoile should just not be allowed

[full gale]

Tbh I just checked #general and the last tweet shared was pretty funny

[gloomy dune]

Does brilliant behemoth stack with frenzy and tonic effects?

[lavish ocean]

float

[full gale]

What do you mean?

[gray tide]

how do you guys get those roles

the survivor roles, im assuming its from being active and leveling up in the server?

[full gale]

#role-assignment

Quite simple really

[high torrent]

there's no level up

[gray tide]

ok loader master race

[high torrent]

wtf is level up in discord even

[gloomy dune]

Nevermind sorry, I realised it doesn't matter

[full gale]

😯

[gray tide]

some servers have a leveling system where more active members get more priviledges because of their level. level is run by a bot, etc . . .

[high torrent]

sounds wack

[full gale]

Yeah they are called leveled roles

[gray tide]

yeah i don't enjoy servers like that

[full gale]

You get a certain amount of points every message every minute
The amount of points can be freely changed
And once you reach a certain milestone you get a new role

[gray tide]

yeah

some stupid shit like that is in a lot of servers

[full gale]

I like this system because it encourages being active
And it's even better when the higher roles actually don't change anything
Like no new perms or privileges like you said

[gray tide]

i dont think it really encourages being active i think in some servers its just . . . there

[full gale]

Hmmmm

Well it took me too damn long to set one up for my server so I'm just gonna keep it

[gray tide]

lmao

[full gale]

[gray tide]

i mean respect for having your own server, the leveling system is just something that I generally dont enjoy in servers im in

[full gale]

Is it because of the extra perms the more active people get?

[gray tide]

no i couldnt care less ab perms I think that for some people it makes them think like they're above others and im all for that as a joke but some people are dicks and take that shit too far and get a god complex because they have a higher level

[full gale]

I get it now

I did say that "having a higher role gives you bragging rights" as a joke but no one really took that seriously
Everybody just kinda vibing and everyone has different colors for their names which looks nice

[gray tide]

yeah im all for fucking around w power as a joke

also before we go on

geef w da juice

[high torrent]

looks like a great juice

[gloomy dune]

To unlock acrid's bad medicine, dealing a final blow on a scavanger means I have to melee it with no bleeds?

[polar anvil]

Just be the one to kill it

[gloomy dune]

Does it matter if it's with bleed damage?

[polar anvil]

Nah, just kill it

[gloomy dune]

Okay

[high torrent]

it won't work on twisted scav btw

[gloomy dune]

I knew that

[full gale]

Good thing I didn't think of that

[fluid notch]

it's a lily

[lavish ocean]

yes yes whatever you say boss

[polar anvil]

it's a lily

[lavish ocean]

no ur not my boss

[full gale]

Daisy

[polar anvil]

Show the talking pass, huntress main

[full gale]

Shut the hell up

[polar anvil]

Show the talking pass.

[full gale]

😐

How about you go back to gd1 where you belong

[polar anvil]

There's nothing good for going there right now

[dull ingot]

Nice run

[cyan stag]

is that 2 bottles of whiskey

[floral gazelle]

1 poglyp.

1 chronobaubble.

Ofc it's a good run.

[rose lagoon]

Chronobauble procs the death mark.

[dull ingot]

Its hotsauce but i guess you can drink it straight from the bottle

[south forge]

I hope we get cross platforming someday

[dull ingot]

Console is always not on the same update thing as pc

so i dunno bout that

[mossy garden]

unironically the best item log in all of ror

because C H E F

[merry karma]

based

[south forge]

RIGHT AS I HIT THE PORTAL I DIED AAA UNLUCKY

[rose lagoon]

I hate when you die stage 8

[placid reef]

same

[sonic copper]

i think i heard something about consoles getting the 2.0 update in december

[high torrent]

artifacts 2.0?

[icy phoenix]

Nah, skills

[north sphinx]

didnt think development for consoles was that fast hold on

[dull ingot]

Bro I can't WAIT to play as rex next update

I wonder how to unlock him

[cyan stag]

look for the "power plant" challenge in the logbook

Before trying you should look for the robot next time you're in abyssal depths

[icy phoenix]

r/woooosh

[cyan stag]

oh well

shoulda used my eyeballs to read text

[vague comet]

I beat Eclipse 4 as MUL-T

[icy phoenix]

Those are some lucky items

[vague comet]

Yeah, didn't even hit up the red chest in stage 4 either

It also helps that MUL-T with double nail Power Mode can turn Soldier's Syringes into movement and even flight with enough

Not that I achieved flight levels of attack speed, but still, notable

[icy phoenix]

Not quite enough healing for aegis unfortunately

[vague comet]

No, and it didn't really come into play
It was from an adaptive chest; I pressed a couple frames too late after a syringe was shown 😔

But healing was enough such that I didn't have much HP trouble during Mithrix

[balmy vault]

actually 10/10 rng rn

[vague comet]

And I had the Vase so I was able to skip the entirety of Stage 6 before Mithrix

[icy phoenix]

Don’t count red whip out, that move speed early on is a godsend, but overall yeah, top tier loot

[vague comet]

Red Whip seems a bit irrelevant to Merc movement-wise unless his dashes somehow aren't considered attacks

[icy phoenix]

I think it does unfortunately

[vague comet]

F

[balmy vault]

i died, surprisingly

vagrant big boom

[vague comet]

Surprisingly enough Red Whip CAN be extremely relevant for MUL-T
If you hold down firing the/both Nail Guns, eventually it'll kick in. It only considers the pressing-down of the attack button as an "attack."

But the actual constant stream of nails? Not considered an attack.
He could be firing those nails at wood planks, for all the game knows.

[icy phoenix]

I learnt that after getting 6 red whips after a multiplayer TP event, power mode became a highly mobile tank

[vague comet]

Indeed

It's... Certainly a bug, right? That can't be intendo

[balmy vault]

same with captain's shotgun

[vague comet]

I think a better question is whether it's a bug worth fixing. MUL-T ain't exactly becoming Huntress with this Red Whip interaction.

[balmy vault]

if you hold it, red whip will activate

[vague comet]

@icy phoenix Do you know about the movement/flight thing with MUL-T and 's I mentioned?

[balmy vault]

rng has some brain damage

[vague comet]

Basically
Nail Gun's shotgun blast when letting go of the Fire button has a bit of recoil on MUL-T, sending him backwards from the direction he was firing.
In Power Mode, he can have two Nail Guns, right? Even without any attack speed boosts, MUL-T can jump and immediately after shotgun both Nail Guns to make a super helpful strafe-dodging jump, or can do this to gain more height on a jump he can't quite reach.
But if you get more attack speed boosts, you can do more burst shots in one jump -- leading to even more height and/or speed. Enough will even let him become a nail-powered rocket.

[icy phoenix]

I kinda knew about it before, saw like one clip and assumed that it needed ridiculous attack speed

Never thought about using it to strafe or get a higher jump though, so thanks for that info

[balmy vault]

[solid sorrel]

ah yes the cerimonal sickle, also hello

[balmy vault]

hi

i just got fmp

this is going to be a run

just realized that im playing rainstorm

my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[balmy vault]

i... wha...

[icy phoenix]

Sometimes you gotta stop questioning the game and just roll with it

[quiet swan]

better than mask

[icy phoenix]

With his items, might be worse than mask

[quiet swan]

for now

[icy phoenix]

dramatic music

[tulip nimbus]

Oh God is that sw with fa

[zealous grove]

this is one of the runs of all time

[latent cipher]

hey would anybody happen to have a good screenshot of the friendly cores? I want to make art featuring them but rather incredibly, googling doesn't give me any good reference pics

[balmy vault]

do you mean the item pic or the actual probes

[latent cipher]

actual probes

I think that's why it's hard to find pics of them, google just gives the empathy cores item rather than what the spawned probes look like

[full gale]

@quiet prairie

[quiet prairie]

?

[full gale]

You got pics of the empathy cores?

[quiet prairie]

Idk i dont think iam not in the servers anymore i send them in

[full gale]

Did you not save those screenshots somewhere?

[quiet prairie]

no

Why would i

[full gale]

You liked the ally probes :<

You even made a cool drawing of them

[quiet prairie]

Yea

But like i can just play command

And get them quickly as yellow item

[full gale]

[quiet prairie]

And ez screenshot

[full gale]

Imagine empathy cores stage 1 on titanic plains

[quiet prairie]

Its so cool item

[latent cipher]

I haven't been able to play the game in 9 months so I can't even get a screenshot myself :c

[quiet prairie]

Real life no friends but in ror2 i have probes

So best item

Automaticly makes u a thirdwheeler

[full gale]

Just like engi's turrets or beetle guards

[latent cipher]

well if someone can get a hold of a decent reference pic can someone give me an @ so I don't miss it?

[full gale]

If boch can do it he'll be the one most likely

[quiet prairie]

I can try findign them but iam in school rn

[full gale]

And I'm a console player

[quiet prairie]

I woudl rather be in school than be console player

[latent cipher]

ghjgjgjgjgj

[full gale]

WOOOOOWWWWWW

Ok DUUUUDE

Good one

[full gale]

:O

[full gale]

THAT'S THEM

@latent cipher

[latent cipher]

ooo thank you very much

does one of them have feathers and everything? that's cute

[full gale]

So you did have them saved somewhere

[quiet prairie]

No problem they are a really hot couple

I asked withor to let me on archive server

[full gale]

Awesome

[full gale]

Yeah and the red one, the "quiet" one, has a sort pf bang over its eye

[quiet prairie]

Yea man is delighted

And woman is quiet

[balmy vault]

pog

[full gale]

No healing yet

[balmy vault]

shh

[full gale]

🤐

[summer terrace]

dude I fucking love aegis

[quartz saffron]

found the rex main

[fluid notch]

Aegis is based

[summer terrace]

rex main yes

[shy vale]

💪

[summer terrace]

but also aegis isn't that good on him

bc self damage

you like never overheal

[quartz saffron]

the hp bar of rex is always like a rollercoaster

[strong vapor]

Im telling my mom and shes gonna beat you up

Grr

[quiet prairie]

[fluid notch]

Based

[modern ether]

education wholesome 100

[feral haven]

a

[modern ether]

b

[balmy vault]

c

[tulip nimbus]

D 😳 😳 😳 😳 😳

[hallow slate]

E.

[polar anvil]

no

[dull ingot]

f

[merry karma]

g

[onyx hearth]

h

[fluid notch]

i

[fallow depot]

j

[merry karma]

j

[loud stream]

Moony and Mini, best drones

[fluid notch]

Spazmatism & retinazer

[astral wharf]

The j

[stable junco]

The first thing that spawned.

[dull ingot]

I think it's destiny

[slender sigil]

not crowdfunder why even post

[dull ingot]

imagine using your gold for anything other than opening chests

this post was made by a normal human

[mossy garden]

captain mains hack chests

so they are not human

😎

[dull ingot]

ahh yes. My single hacking beacon can span the entire map rendering my use of gold completely useless.

hmm yes

[mossy garden]

yes

[quiet swan]

you can find hopefully a big chest or two next to eachother and hack those and go search for other things

[onyx hearth]

I always hack shrine of chances next to anything

[vague comet]

Beat Eclipse 5 as MUL-T (Power Mode, Double Nail). And pretty decently fast too! For me and/or MUL-T, anyway.

My Equipment by the end was Gorag's Opus

Was able to fly myself up to Mithrix as a nail-powered rocket, skipping the entire pillars segment and Mithrix himself was super easy. 😄
Reminder that Red Whips provide their speed boost to MUL-T if it has been firing nail gun(s) without letting go, as only the pressing down action is considered an "attack" as far as Red Whip is concerned.

Man
I wish Power Saw was more viable so I could run Retool Rebar-Saw, but it's just not viable enough, especially compared to double-nail Power Mode 😔

[hybrid vault]

power saw is absolutely viable

[fluid notch]

saw is balanced

[hybrid vault]

it's better than nail in basically every way except

1. a bit less range
2. you can't do nailgun jumping to skip commencement

[mossy garden]

nailgun jumping?

educate me

[shut spindle]

heya I really got into playing bandit but I'm not finding good info on what items work with lights out and desperado on kill effects

[dull ingot]

anything that does base damage synergy

also cool down stuff

[narrow nest]

mfw the god run
(playing with silly items and ordered items mods)

[dull ingot]

crowbar, elemental bands (kjaro and runald), focus crystal

purity, alien head, brain stalks (⭐)

[distant spruce]

I hope there are wiki contributors here since I don't see a specific #wiki channel

Does anyone have any methods to test which typo is correct or not?
I made a discussion page https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Medkit#

[tulip nimbus]

Hifu gonna troll

[merry karma]

@zinc kernel you have the old files right? can you confirm?

[distant spruce]

Initially, I was thinking of a mod that disables passive healing to determine what medkit used to do, but I don't think there's a way to revert to a previous patch

Or if a dev is able to comment one which numbers are the typos

[dull ingot]

... are we allowed to ping a dev?

I mean, normally I ask this jokingly, but this is the first time I'm saying it seriously

alright, let's try

[dull ingot]

@runic finch sorry for the ping, but can you confirm the numbers of the medkit?

Apparently there's inconsistency through the patch notes

[runic finch]

looks like the heal is 20 + (5% * stack)

[tulip nimbus]

Yoo ghor in the chat

[tulip nimbus]

Hey ghor some people were talking about huntress self aim and 360 sprint on huntress and I wanted to verify; you had talked about the omni sprint before right? You said you guys had tested it and it had never been in a place you wanted it to be?

[mighty vortex]

Any tips for eclipse runs? i only just started trying them and wanted to make it an end goal for myself to beat eclipse 8 on every survivor-- but i still struggle with regular monsoon and still yet to beat eclipse 1 on anyone. I main bandit and figure i probably have the best shot with him as i have made it to mithrix 4 times but died every single time on stage 3. Some general questions i had to try and point myself in the right direction are;

How long should i try to spend per stage?

What load out would you recommend on bandit? (I use vanilla loadout except for using desperado over lights out to give me just a bit of extra damage vs mithy)

Is grinding for the legendary chest stage 4 worth it if I am ahead on items vs behind on items/have good vs bad loot?

Good strats vs mithrix stage 3?

Items to prioritize?

Those are the main questions I have, but any other tips are greatly appreciated too!!

[runic finch]

we did try it out a long time ago, I don't remember the specifics of why we decided against it but there are a few easy guesses

[gray tide]

ok

[runic finch]

it definitely makes you play differently. being able to sprint backwards would encourage more kiting and less aggressive play, for one.

[gray tide]

ya know you can just go loader and beat the game with 2 buttons

[dull ingot]

I see this is a plus, given Huntress' low health and over all very mobile playstyle

[runic finch]

it also feels like much more of a commitment/moment to have to decide it's time to run away and swing your camera away from the enemies to get as much speed as you can

[tulip nimbus]

Yea my only issue with it is that it improves huntresses already best part, the mobility, but doesn't do anything else to help the areas she really struggles in

[gray tide]

loader master race

[runic finch]

kiting is just a super boring way to play that sucks all the fun away imo

[tulip nimbus]

On that note has their been any plans to raise arrow rain proc coeff? It's kind of a meme at the moment haha

Yea I feel you

The lab server discussed making it 0.5 and doubling the tick rate but halving the duration we feel it would be more consistent that way but I'm not sure

[runic finch]

dunno. things have been power creeping for survivors for a bit and it's starting to bother us

[dull ingot]

why does your profile picture look like male debby ryan

[tulip nimbus]

I see

[gray tide]

due

@dull ingot thats me

[dull ingot]

lmaooo

[tulip nimbus]

Well either way I know everyone is stoked for the dlc update 👍

[gray tide]

geef w da juice

[tulip nimbus]

That stuff is actually delicious tho

[gray tide]

facts

[runic finch]

@tulip nimbus idk if we're gonna touch arrow rain yet, since we're entirely in a production phase right now and aren't messing with balance, so anything mentioned before then has a chance to get forgotten or lost in a .txt somewhere. if we do end up doing anything, I think the goal would probably be to make arrow rain and ballista a more difficult choice than it is right now by changing one or both.

that could honestly be said for a lot of skill variants

[fluid notch]

very cool

[tulip nimbus]

True, so far there is a relatively good balance between all the variants, even if it took the community a while to find. I remember when Diablo and focused assault first came out a lot of people joked about them saying the other was definitively better, but it turns out they were absolutely well matched with their variant. Same thing with rex robot and plant, the robot abilities go well for newer players because they sacrifice damage for safety and then the plant abilities sacrifice safety for damage. Either way its a preference and I do remember one of the devs explaining in the past that the ultimate goal isn't to have one skill alt obviously an upgrade to the other

But I'm certain the community won't mind if they get the newly produced content before any relatively insignificant balance changes haha

[runic finch]

I do get it. I think a balance pass would be good

and hearing where the specific pain points are is useful.

[tulip nimbus]

Yea for sure

I read that as battle pass at first and got really scared

[onyx hearth]

battle pass and the reward is lunar coins

Honestly though, balance in this game is really well done, and all characters and loadouts are viable.

[misty shore]

Sureeeeeee

I'm mostly joking but it feels like melee acrid is very very weak

[onyx hearth]

He’s viable, nonetheless.

[misty shore]

Barely

But yea

[onyx hearth]

Why I say this is because there was probably a time when at the every character was at the top of my tier list.
Apart from acrid and merc

[hybrid vault]

meleecrid is very good

rangecrid is only better because of how stupid poison is

but meleecrid is nonetheless a very viable and strong playstyle

[misty shore]

Thats fair, I love this game and main engie and acrid. I've never been able to get anywhere with meleecrid, sure its alright but in comparison to other melee characters.

[misty shore]

I disagree strongly but I respect your opinion

[hybrid vault]

do you take blight with melee?

also this isn't entirely an opinion

[fluid notch]

meleecrid bestcrid

[misty shore]

Rarely

[hybrid vault]

it's backed up by numbers

[fluid notch]

there's your problem

[hybrid vault]

yeah blight is really good on meleecrid

also, take

[misty shore]

Yea I agree with that

[hybrid vault]

purity + blight + bite melts monsters

[misty shore]

Purity best

Interesting, I

I'll try that more often

[hybrid vault]

goood

join the meleecrid gang

[misty shore]

The regen never seems to help survivability though

[hybrid vault]

oh it will

purity means you'll heal 10% a second

[misty shore]

Yikes

[hybrid vault]

and that is boosted by rejuv rack and tonic

[misty shore]

I guess I never got far enough to notice

You have opened my eyes, meleecrid may just be bestcrid after all

[hybrid vault]

meleecrid is good for 6mm (stage 6 mithrix monsoon) runs

[onyx hearth]

on huntress with faze blink is neoom.
But 0 dps

[hybrid vault]

well, rangecrid is a little better because poison

but it's super boring

so I still play meleecrid

[misty shore]

Yea

[hybrid vault]

so, normal huntress

[misty shore]

The playstyle is fun either way to me, but I'm an engie main so that doesn't mean much

[hybrid vault]

what engi loadout?

[onyx hearth]

Range acrid is not wholly bad, but you as long as you melee as well it be super fun

[hybrid vault]

also do you take visions on engi

[misty shore]

Agro and yes I take visions

[onyx hearth]

I don’t like visions

[misty shore]

Missiles and spider mines

[hybrid vault]

goood

[misty shore]

Stationary turrets

Because bungus

[hybrid vault]

I prefer mobiles because they have movement

but it's a preference thing I think

[onyx hearth]

Honestly now that I think about it spider mines are a little better than pressure

[misty shore]

Sometimes I run carbonizer for fun but they don't have as many synergies

[hybrid vault]

they also synergize better with fuel array

since engi turrets can use elite aspects and fuel array

[misty shore]

Fuel array?

[hybrid vault]

yes

[misty shore]

they WHAT

[onyx hearth]

That might actually be a good idea

I’m assuming they become walking bombs

[misty shore]

Wait what does the fuel array do for you

[hybrid vault]

they do

[onyx hearth]

If you are at less than half hp you go boom

[misty shore]

Yea why would you want that

[hybrid vault]

but so do the turrets

[onyx hearth]

So normally a nerf, but then the turrets go boom at them

[hybrid vault]

it is actually sort of viable

[misty shore]

Oh like using genesis loop

[hybrid vault]

lemme get the video

[onyx hearth]

but like at 50% hp

[misty shore]

Kamikaze turrtes

I see

I just like Bungus/nahkuna's opinion too much

[onyx hearth]

Problem is you’re also totally gonna die

[onyx hearth]

Stationary bungus nukes!
Imagine, you’re just chilling in the healing radius, then anything happens and everything explodes!

[hybrid vault]

oh also

you can use strides to dodge the fuel array explosion

although that means you'd be missing out on harpoons

[onyx hearth]

Oh yeah big brain

But like what if you are the one exploding?

[hybrid vault]

you dodge

just pop strides

[misty shore]

Oh yea

[onyx hearth]

I picked it up once

[misty shore]

Strides is good on chaos

[hybrid vault]

strides completely removes your hurtbox while active

[onyx hearth]

Does it explode again if you are at >50% ?

[hybrid vault]

fuel array disappears when it explodes

[onyx hearth]

Oh, I didn’t know that

Cool

[hybrid vault]

fun fact: strides is the only way to dodge a void reaver implosion (besides moving out of the radius)

[onyx hearth]

Strides can be good, but it is sort of boring (in my opinion)

[fallow depot]

i am literally famous /s

[tulip nimbus]

Pog

[vague comet]

Insanely late reply 😅
So, MUL-T's nail gun has a property where, upon letting go of the fire button, it shoots a shotgun spread burst of nails, and has a small amount of recoil on itself in the opposite direction. In Power Mode, you can wield two nail guns at the same time.
You can make use of MUL-T's Power Mode nail guns' recoil to jump and then recoil yourself in a direction for an incredibly effective strafing maneuver, despite Power Mode's reduced movement speed. In fact, thanks to MUL-T having different traction rules than every other survivor (due to having wheels, he retains horizontal speed in the air better and slides to a stop on the ground instead of instantly stopping), with some attack speed boosts, MUL-T can attain impressive horizontal speeds, gliding, or even outright flight, using the recoil on his nail guns' shotgun spread bursts.

I'd @ a dev to ask if this is a bug they plan to fix or otherwise if they are aware of this exploit/"hidden mechanic," but I don't want to be a bother to em 😅

I hope it doesn't get removed bc it's really fun and interesting, even if it does completely or significantly nullify their attempt to balance Power Mode around reduced movement speed

Unless anyone knows a dev that doesn't mind getting @-ed at 12:36 AM to ask if they know about something significantly relevant to character balancing

TL,DR
In Power Mode with double Nail Gun, MUL-T can exploit the recoil on its guns to launch itself immediately after a jump in a direction with respectable speed, ignoring Power Mode's speed penalty basically altogether. More Attack Speed boosts = impressive high speeds, gliding, and even flight.
Am interested to know if devs are aware of this.

For example, with only like 10 or something like that, MUL-T can skip Stage 6 straight to Mithrix. Granted, the moon has lower gravity, but still, it's fairly achievable with one printer on a run to be one of the prestigious few survivors able to skip Stage 6 without like ,, or ludicrous stacks. Despite being supposedly one of the least mobile survivors in the game.

[merry karma]

well yeah

you only need +90% attack speed though

[vague comet]

Was explaining what nail gun jumping was to someone who asked... 4 hours ago 😅

[vague comet]

With all this in mind -- keeping in mind, I am indeed a MUL-T main -- I think MUL-T is a contender for... like, 2nd strongest survivor in the game. Behind Loader because Loader is

Being able to basically use Power Mode while being able to nullify its speed penalty without any need for items* is kinda nuts

(*Even without the speed/flight enabled by getting more attack speed, the strafe jump MUL-T can do without any is still super effective in combat mobility and stage maneuverability)

But again keep in mind I am incredibly biased for my bot

[lime current]

Yo I just found out there’s different text at mithrix if you are heretic and have the golden shores guy

[final shadow]

Yay, you found the cool secret

[mossy garden]

interesting, thank you

[vague comet]

Glad to help spread the word of our robot overlord!

[astral ember]

Has anyone tried a bunch of strides of heresy with shaped glass, frost relic, a tesla coil, and brainstalks?

[high torrent]

aha yes autoplay builds

[full gale]

Did someone say autoplay build

[icy phoenix]

[full gale]

Oh yeah fmp and soulbound exist

Ehhhh fmp makes many builds into autoplay

[icy phoenix]

Fmp definitely has the most potential to break the game then any other equipment

Why have perma tonic when you can press your equipment key and every enemy dies instantly because of the nuclear blast

[onyx hearth]

Tonic nuclear blast?

[full gale]

[tepid wolf]

Now just a bunch of gasolines

[full gale]

That nuclear blast

[tepid wolf]

Since gasolines are instant unlikes things like daggers and will o wisp

[onyx hearth]

Yeah, or you could not

[icy phoenix]

But you could tho

[onyx hearth]

Yes that is true

[tepid wolf]

And with shaped glass less damage from the gasoline wouldn't matter

[onyx hearth]

I think I did it once as loader, so it was overkill anyway

[split forum]

why is blight so bad

20% of acrids damage stat for 5 seconds compared to 100% of acrids damage stack for 10

and more stacks dont increase in the duration

what kind of non command artifact psychopath unironically uses blight

[quartz saffron]

blight is good with bite

[hybrid vault]

I unironically use blight

It's good

But poison is just kind of stupid

Also blight is 60% base damage per stack

[final shadow]

Blight? More like 300% extra damage to all my would-be Poison attacks

[hybrid vault]

With a singular purity, you can get up to 10 stacks of blight from m2

Which is 600% per second

[fluid notch]

What

[tepid wolf]

Blight mainly shines on melee acrid around which it was built around a bit too

Since the less damage later on in a run is covered by melee acrid's bigger DPS and it being able to kill stuff is very good early on against groups of wisps and enemies

[dull ingot]

lightning birb

[fallow depot]

why is your zapdos blue smh

[dull ingot]

Because electric can be yellow and blue

But have you seen a blue electric pikachus?

[mossy garden]

that unironically not that good actually

the doll limit of 3 makes you constantly rethrow them and while they are in mid-air they cant trigger

also you can accidentally yeet them off of a cliff

[icy phoenix]

[mossy garden]

yeah just replace the catalyst with a bunch of fuel cells

[icy phoenix]

Catalyst makes it so you only need one or two other CDR items because it gives 32 seconds of reduction each doll

[swift badge]

They patched this by the way, FMPs that get yeeted get despawned now

[mossy garden]

yes

but it still delays it

[lucid agate]

hi does anyone know how to use the risk of rain2 save editor? i need a bit of help

[onyx hearth]

#ror2-game-questions, maybe?

[lucid agate]

yea maybe

[whole lotus]

D

[mighty vortex]

RoR2 players after getting 10 stacks of lifetime sentences

[onyx hearth]

you have been detained

[gray tide]

big news

[dull ingot]

We want memes

[latent flame]

this is a meme thats very truw

ten stacks of anything is great

[fluid notch]

10 stacks of focused convergence

[quartz saffron]

10 stacks of beads

[tepid wolf]

10 stacks of corpsebloom

10 stacks of purity

[grand whale]

My personal favorite is 10 stacks of visions of heresy

[tepid wolf]

10 stacks of any heresy item

Visions reloads once in 2 years, hooks roots for a loong time, but has an insane CD, strides makes you unable to do damage for a long time and essence just also has a overly long cooldown

[meager stone]

hello

[dull ingot]

No

[dull ingot]

Im an engineer, that means i solve problems.

Summoning Circle

[amber sparrow]

x60

[novel river]

you are like a baby

observe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/767285395753926666/844575935328157706/bungzone.mp4

I did this instead of sleeping but it was mildly amusing

[keen onyx]

Honestly with high enough movement speed, some map designs could suddenly become viable heightwise. I wonder if any custom modded maps will take advantage of this

[high torrent]

finally, squid poglyp op

[onyx hearth]

How are you in so much debt?

[icy phoenix]

Integer overflow

[onyx hearth]

???

[icy phoenix]

Basically they had so much money that the number looped around to negative numbers

[onyx hearth]

Oh nice. Can you still get stuff?

[icy phoenix]

Not exactly sure, I’ve never gotten to that point myself

I’m assuming you can though

[dull ingot]

Im gonna use savage acrid and ducksurvivor tweaks together to make melee crid really good

[high torrent]

*busted over the top

give him a gun at this point

[dull ingot]

Duck Survivor Tweaks is pretty good, makes bandit and cap less M1 spammy and OP

[high torrent]

i barely even touch m1 on bandit

and bandit is already op af

[dull ingot]

Tweaks mod makes captains shotty a double barrel

[high torrent]

cap changes are pog tho

[dull ingot]

yeah

instead of removing the hacking beacon like other tweak mods the changes to hacking in the duck tweak one is pretty nice

one of the reasons i disliked admiral is the changes to the beacons

Yeah the hacking beacons ability for free items is kinda busted but like, the other beacons are great too

[tired axle]

do you ever just?

[slender sigil]

the council

[full gale]

Omega cool

[full gale]

Holy shit

[fallow depot]

you're gonna need several bigger ukuleles

[outer swallow]

are all the mithrixes now lining up to buy a copy of ror2?

[pearl hedge]

No they're heading to the bass pro shop pyramid

[blazing lagoon]

mithrix got punched by gold experience requiem

[rain flare]

Beetle queen graveyard

[floral gull]

After playing with mods so long I can't see how anybody can play vanilla, it feels like missing half a game now oof

[floral gazelle]

I'm heavily gonna question the fact that you're using an aspect.

[keen onyx]

Mods are great, but vanilla is very much a core experience. If too much is added, it dilutes the main course. I really like the team aspect, working together and finding items for whoever needs them. With mods? It gets way more chaotic. I love mods for singleplayer or dicking around with a friend, but for randos? Generally vanilla, close to vanilla, or a specific gamemode(like champions ring)

[night condor]

Gd2 blegh 🤢

[full gale]

Those poor beetle queens
Also holy SHIT the monsters have a lot of items

[sharp goblet]

I dont know where to put this but the shrine of order sucks

https://youscreen.de/wckujkhlf12.jpg

[full gale]

If you want your links to show the preview/thumbnail get a survivor role in #role-assignment
If not then uhhhh 🚪🚶‍♂️

[slender sigil]

just keep sprinting

[sharp goblet]

Thank you =D

[full gale]

No problem :)

[sharp goblet]

Dont ask me how but i managed to kill the boss

[full gale]

it doesn't work for all links

[sharp goblet]

Also I blinked/Shift Dashed into another universe

Also also I was too fast to activate the Portal so I got into the wrong one

[full gale]

No but fr how did you kill the boss with those itens

As huntress no less

[sharp goblet]

Not as huntress

mercenary

https://youscreen.de/oqazrvilu51.jpg

[full gale]

Oh ok makes more sense now

Must have been a hard fight tho

[sharp goblet]

I was just sprinting around with mach 20 and waiting for my rockets to go off cooldown and shift dashing through the boss only to apear on the other side of the map

Didnt know the range scales with movement speed

[full gale]

Lmao

[sharp goblet]

And I got insta killed

[full gale]

Damn 😔

[weak fractal]

yeah

99% of movement utility scales off of speed

[tall quarry]

I recommend not getting an insane amount of speed and using rex' utility.

[fluid notch]

No

Get an insane amount & use the util

[weak fractal]

YES

[outer tulip]

i reccomend not getting a tonic with no fuel cells and a gesture

[dull ingot]

because getting a huge stat boost for 20s is definetly not worth a chance to get a tiny stat down

[outer tulip]

i got 17 afflictions

in 2 stages

and i was huntress

[dull ingot]

playing as huntress explains it

[outer tulip]

i had 300 health on the moon

when my afflictions were up

[dull ingot]

maybe don't use it on every single enemy then

wait, you were huntress

[tired axle]

he had a gesture

[dull ingot]

i've misread it ok

[tired axle]

ok

but yeah, if ya for some reason pick up tonic while you only have one gesture just try moving through stages as fast as possible and get newt altars

[tall quarry]

Or just get a 57 leaf clover lul

[tired axle]

get purity

[fluid notch]

Just don't get afflictions

It's not that hard

[full gale]

Don't get tonic

Get 😍 instead

[frozen tangle]

Help ever since I was grinding commando to get all of his unlocks I can't stop playing him hes just too fun

[full gale]

Did you happen to get a god run with him on monsoon no artifacts?

[frozen tangle]

Yepperdoodle

[full gale]

Yep I know exactlt how you feel

[frozen tangle]

It was like "man, this is fun" and then i unlocked the alternate to phase blast and its just so good

[fluid notch]

Mando is fun

[full gale]

Proc man gets addicting really quickly

[echo dagger]

Mando is fun

I want to work on his default kit, see what I can do/how I can make it work cause I suck at it

[full gale]

Generally it's agreed upon that his default kit sucks ass

Especially roll

And dps enthusiasts will love to let you know that supressive fire is actually useless now and that you should take nades because "much needed aoe"

[hasty pebble]

loop or mithrix

[fluid notch]

Stage11 mitchell

[quiet cobalt]

Not really, I mean yes phase blast is the obvious choice, and roll is inferior to slide, but it’s not like roll is terrible or anything, and suppresive fire/nade are pretty similar in power

[full gale]

I did say generally

At the end of the day I don't care if you use default kit or if you find yourself more comfortable with it ya know

[fluid notch]

Nades are leagues better than suppressive fire

[full gale]

Also phase round has some neat uses now

[merry karma]

😔

[quiet cobalt]

Not really. Early game, yea, but late game suppresive fire is just as good, if not better

[fluid notch]

Suppressive fire is a damage down

Just using m1 is more effective than using suppressive fire

[quiet cobalt]

Nade has better dps, but is less reliable, and doesn’t stun

[quiet cobalt]

And THAT I know is false

[fluid notch]

exists

[full gale]

Yeah

[fluid notch]

Suppressive fire is a damage down

Unless you're on console

Where it's still slightly better than m1

[polar anvil]

Grenades have AOE, which is crucial on commando, while Suppressive Fire has none to it. Also, Suppressive Fire has worse DPS than Double Tap's. You're not losing out when you use grenades, as you're still able to use skills while it explodes. Not only that, but Grenade will output way more DPS than Suppressive Fire will, when you learn how to throw it. "B-but you can't hit flying enemies with it!" Your Double Tap and Phase Round/Phase Blast are still present to deal with annoying flying enemies. Also, some flying enemies are not flying high enough, so the Grenade still hits them. Don't forget about the funny thing with Brilliant Behemoth - every Grenade bounce causes a damaging explosion.

hello

[fluid notch]

The bak nades copypasta

[polar anvil]

yes!

[fluid notch]

Is good

[polar anvil]

the only time when im useful

[merry karma]

no

[fluid notch]

True

[polar anvil]

ashen typing an essay on why my whole copypasta is wrong

[quiet cobalt]

Attack speed scales with dmg, that’s why suppresive is better late game. Suppresive fire is useless early game because it is more accurate and is a garunteed stun compared to m1

[fluid notch]

What

[polar anvil]

what

attack speed never scaled with damage, and neither does it work the opposite side

[quiet cobalt]

=More bullets

[polar anvil]

it affects both abilities identically

[merry karma]

for m1 that's better, yes

[fluid notch]

You know what's also buffed by attack speed?

[polar anvil]

no way

[quiet cobalt]

I didn’t say that m1 wasn’t, I was saying suppresive is better than nade late game

[summer terrace]

[polar anvil]

it really isnt

[fluid notch]

Suppressive is still a damage down

[polar anvil]

your m1 is better than suppfire

[quiet cobalt]

It isn’t

[fluid notch]

Because m1 also gets better with higher attack speed

[polar anvil]

double tap is 6.66 attacks per second while suppfire is 6.00

[full gale]

See I told you, at the end of the day it's just a matter of what you prefer
So just use whatever you want

[polar anvil]

shush

[quiet cobalt]

There are more stats than just dps

[full gale]

Also ashen are you on console

[polar anvil]

they have exactly the same damage stat

the only "benefit" of suppfire is stun, and then you can just get

[quiet cobalt]

Both pc and console, but mainly pc

[merry karma]

the stun isnt even that good, you can literally stagger enemies with m1 so they cancel their attacks

[quiet cobalt]

Accuracy

[polar anvil]

or just get closer

[full gale]

Well with the anniversary update his m1 got buffed to be faster by like 25% and supressive fire kinda got left behind

It seems like they overlooked this fact y'know

[hybrid vault]

Oh boy suppressive fire vs nades

[raven lichen]

yes, m1 has better dps as well as better procs, has no cooldown, and scales equally well with everything else
When you take supp you lose the aoe, bands, and burst of nades in exchange for a worse m1 on a cooldown with a meh stun

Its fine if you enjoy it more, but its kinda just mostly worse unfortunately. im hoping it gets a buff to compensate or make it more interesting, as lower dps is fine if the thing it offers is nicer. REX R has worse dps than m1 but it offers root and healing for example

[polar anvil]

the neverending argument

[full gale]

So that's why these people are saying that m1 is better than sup

In case you didn't know

[hybrid vault]

Suppressive fire is cringe and bad and useless

[polar anvil]

wdym useless it stuns

[hybrid vault]

Ah yes

2 second stun on nonboss enemies

[zinc kernel]

Suppressive Fire is the wooden pickaxe of ror2 you use it to get something that just replaces it

[hybrid vault]

On a 9 second cooldown

[fluid notch]

True

[polar anvil]

im hoping it gets a buff to compensate or make it more interesting
i want to suggest a buff of:

• firing from two guns instead of one(12x100)
• increasing damage on every additional hit of same enemy with it

i think it needs something else with this

[polar anvil]

there are two specials on commando
nades and ruin

[fluid notch]

Yes

[raven lichen]

1200 that scales with speed and ramps per hit might be too good idk

[full gale]

150% damage instead of 100 ez clap

[raven lichen]

double m1 could be good tho
i always suggest a more cc oriented option, like a multi target screen stun rather than hitting the same thing a few times, a ton of cc value since m1 and nades do dps. then its more suppressive trather than just m1 but more

[polar anvil]

the increase per hit could be small
its just to emphasize that its suppressive and not just fast m1

[full gale]

Make supressive fire apply bleed ez clap ez fix not op I swear

[merry karma]

suppressive fire

[raven lichen]

apply stun and burn

[full gale]

TRUE

[raven lichen]

now its just flamethrower lite

[full gale]

Hifu you GENIUS

[hybrid vault]

Suppressive fire should burn and stun and crush (suppress) enemies

[full gale]

Soup fire needs to do everything so that people will then make copy pastas of why NADES is worthless

And then people will be like "soup fire and essence are his 2 specials"

[hybrid vault]

What if both specials were useful instead?

[full gale]

What??? 2 skills that are actually SIDEGRADES to one another? Are you insane?

[hybrid vault]

Yes

[raven lichen]

sidegrades are not allowed

[full gale]

Alright so how to make soup fire good

[hybrid vault]

Merc is illegal

[full gale]

If nades is aoe then soup should he single target

So how could soup make single target a choice compared to aoe

[polar anvil]

i said my idea above

[full gale]

Like a glaive thing but for one target?

[polar anvil]

what

[hybrid vault]

I don't think supp should only be good for single target, since Mando lacks aoe and nades help with that

[full gale]

It increases in damage every time you hit the same enemy with it

[polar anvil]

ah ye

[full gale]

So what do you suggest

[hybrid vault]

I'm thinking

What I have in mind is making nades better for aoe and band procs, but supp should be for total procs and cc

But still usable for aoe

[full gale]

GIVE IT A 2.0 PROC COEFFICIENT

[hybrid vault]

What if supp fired stunning bullets at all targets in a cone in front of you?

Making it an aoe stun

[final shadow]

An idea I had a while ago on Soup:
#ror2-feedback-and-ideas message

[hybrid vault]

You would take nades for the raw damage and band procs, and supp for the cc and on hits

[full gale]

Would it be suppressive by then

[whole lotus]

No ability should need a 2.0 proc co to be good

If it's that bad, then rework it

Lmao 🧐

[faint river]

2.0 proc co on blight 😳

[whole lotus]

Ok that'd be badass

[faint river]

man poisons you

suddenly bombs start apearing out of your body

you start launching electricity at your friends

[whole lotus]

Moment

[faint river]

meat hooks launch into your friends from you

why do you always have to do this josh

[whole lotus]

Josh why

[faint river]

how dare josh

[whole lotus]

Jodh

[whole lotus]

gd1

[merry karma]

j

[fluid notch]

jacob

[dull ingot]

necroposting master here

how to buff suppressive fire:
use two guns instead of one
you get two laser beams instead of one
profit

[full gale]

Any ideas

[dull ingot]

https://streamable.com/qm21l8 Can someone explain to me what happened here ?

[full gale]

A spawning error maybe

[cosmic maple]

I've seen this weird bug occasionally where the boss doesn't actually spawn as a boss, so presumably the game immediately assumes it's dead and drops the item

[full gale]

It meant to spawn the overloading worm as the tp boss but it didn't register in time so it gave you the item right away and the worm spawned as a world spawn

MAYBE
This is my non-developer non-modder guess

[cosmic maple]

I know I've seen it playing modded but idk if I've seen it in vanilla

[merry karma]

maybe it spawned in a killzone?

[full gale]

3 horde of many stage 1 tps.... I feel like there's a correlation between sacrifice and dissonance here

[merry karma]

@dull ingot

[warm bridge]

I’ve had something similar happen in vanilla on Siren’s call, but it only took out half the boss health bar, not the full thing. But if I was a betting man I’d guess your mods somehow did this.

[novel river]

I had a run the other day where no TP boss spawned at all and I didn't get an item drop either but this was like 30 stages deep and it didn't happen again after that