gd2-nullified

[tepid wolf]

He has 8 times the healing, gets 20% per monster tooth (before the healing multiplier) and has a bunch of medkits too

[lavish ocean]

i was gonna do huntress obileration but accidentally picked up a bead 😢

[quartz saffron]

last time I fought kipkip, I had

[solar nimbus]

n i c e

[hybrid vault]

he also gets 15% per medkit activation, before the 8x multiplier

so if you stop attacking kipkip for 2 seconds, he will get a full heal

[quartz saffron]

he couldn't do anything with his precious healing

[solar nimbus]

i hate whipwhip because if you're not stacked on speed and if you stop moving for even a moment those missiles will descend on you

[tepid wolf]

So yeah have fun trying to deal 20% max HP per second

[lavish ocean]

heretic with panula 😳

[solar nimbus]

i adore the twisted scavengers overall tho. fun fights and they all have distinct personalities. its legit gripping tos ee which you get

[tepid wolf]

Eeh Mithrix is more fun

[solar nimbus]

im highly highly doubtful planula procs on heretic degen

[hybrid vault]

yes

[hybrid vault]

it doesn't

[solar nimbus]

hard disagree sorry

[hybrid vault]

degen isn't damage

[lavish ocean]

idk

[solar nimbus]

its not damage

[lavish ocean]

wait

[solar nimbus]

i had a captain run i took to mithrix with 2 planulas and a rejuv rack, that was fun
watching wisp chimera unload on me like "mm yes tasty bullets"

[hybrid vault]

it has been tested, and heretic's degen does not proc razorwire or planula

[lavish ocean]

what if you stack corpsebloom on heretic

[solar nimbus]

yeah that doesnt suprise me

[solar nimbus]

then you die because you fucking stacked corpsebloom lmao

[hybrid vault]

corpsebloom doesn't affect regen, and by extension, doesn't affect degen

[solar nimbus]

rejuv rack kills heretic quicker which is funny

[hybrid vault]

so does spinel tonic

[lavish ocean]

[tepid wolf]

Also heretic can get one transcendence and negate the only downside of her

[solar nimbus]

the only time i got the heretic was with transcendance so i didnt even notice

[hybrid vault]

also, heretic's degen is amplified on drizzle, and reduced on monsoon

[lavish ocean]

woohoo

[solar nimbus]

yeah
because
its regen

[tepid wolf]

Heretic is still so broken her degen really isn't enough of a downside

[solar nimbus]

legit just all the normal rules of rejen apply, but in reverse

[tepid wolf]

Just a casual 4 times base HP of commando, 11% faster than everyone else, has 3 natural jumps, has very high base damage and has bonkers damage

[solar nimbus]

it just costs all your coins

unless you cheat
in which case
bird up

[lavish ocean]

should i go for a artificer mon obi run or should i take a break and play hollow knight

[hybrid vault]

you can always grind for coins

[tepid wolf]

Don't obliterate as arti

Kill Mithrix

[lavish ocean]

butwhy

[hybrid vault]

yeah, arti absolutely curbstomps mithrix

[tepid wolf]

She can literally freeze Mithrix and she sucks after you loop

[solar nimbus]

you can kill mithrix with the early execute with ice and its incredible

[hybrid vault]

because he can be frozen and executed

[tepid wolf]

Also use flamethrower

[lavish ocean]

i see

[tepid wolf]

Since you can easily flamethrower Mithrix to death

[solar nimbus]

hardlight afterburner

[hybrid vault]

mithrix also struggles against airborne enemies, and guess which character has a hover?

[lavish ocean]

im just terrified of mitrix 3rd phase the spin wall skill

jesus christ it killed me so many times

[lavish ocean]

ion surge goes brrrrrr

[tepid wolf]

With the wall spin go against the spin direction if a wall is close to you

[hybrid vault]

the big spinny is very intimidating

[solar nimbus]

the revolving doors!
yeah honestly keep a mid range and watch your step

[tepid wolf]

Go with the spin direction if you are between two walls

[solar nimbus]

helps when theres no ads, too

[hybrid vault]

it's officially called big spinny

[lavish ocean]

its not the matter whether i can dodge it or not

[tepid wolf]

The big spinny looks scary, but is very easy to dodge in reality

[lavish ocean]

its the matter whether the rng gives me steroids drinks or not

[tepid wolf]

You can easily dodge it with bad speed

[lavish ocean]

cool

[lavish ocean]

how

[solar nimbus]

use your legs!

[hybrid vault]

you either want to be very close or very far from mithrix when he does the big spinny

[lavish ocean]

cries in mul-t

[solar nimbus]

and stay close enough that you can react to it, since it gets "faster" the further you get

[tepid wolf]

I literally said so, if a wall is close go against it's rotation until you end up between 2 walls, then go with the rotation

[lavish ocean]

yeah i know i do that

but sometime im just too late

[tepid wolf]

Like you can really dodge it with bad speed, you just need to judge it well

[lavish ocean]

especially u get cripple after first atk

[solar nimbus]

if i get hit once i usually just try to move against the flow to randomize my chances rather than trying and failing to geta good position

the real trick is to not get hit once
pick a range that works for you, since being close or far has pros and cons

[tepid wolf]

Eclipse is a good place to practice Mithrix on

[lavish ocean]

i see

[tepid wolf]

Especially Mithrix on eclipse 7 where he uses the big spinny a lot

[solar nimbus]

please no spoilers on eclipse levels please thanks

[hybrid vault]

you know what attack mithrix needs?

mithrix hammer throw.

[tepid wolf]

Eclipse is kinda mediocre with most of the levels

Only a few are actually good

[solar nimbus]

i know but i dotn know what the levels are and its very fun to find them out thx

[tepid wolf]

Most are either just there or really dumb

[hybrid vault]

e4 and e7 are cool

[tepid wolf]

And E2

[hybrid vault]

e2 is mostly cool, but it sucks with new commencement

[quartz saffron]

what eclipse lvl are you on?

[hybrid vault]

e5 is the worst one

[tepid wolf]

Mostly pillar of soul

[hybrid vault]

fuck e5

[lavish ocean]

me and my homies want old comencement

[hybrid vault]

no. bad.

[tepid wolf]

Old commencement kinda sucked

[lavish ocean]

what

[tepid wolf]

It wasn't even a stage

[hybrid vault]

new commencement is so much better than old commencement

[solar nimbus]

old commencement really sucked

[lavish ocean]

biasdnasijwhat

[solar nimbus]

it was a walk of shame, the new one actually involves decision making

[tepid wolf]

It was a walkway and 2 islands

[hybrid vault]

people who prefer old commencement are mad cause bad 😎

[tepid wolf]

It was literally more worth it to skip the chimeras on the old commencement

[lavish ocean]

):

[tepid wolf]

Pillar of soul is really dumb though

[lavish ocean]

i got rekt by chimeras when doing pillars bcuz rngesus aint gonna give me a teddy bear

[quartz saffron]

well at least now we can get out of the arena in commencement without having to worry about breaking our knees

[hybrid vault]

pillar of soul is the only part of new commencement I dislike

[solar nimbus]

you absolutely do not need to survive new commencement what

[hybrid vault]

imagine relying on items

[tepid wolf]

Pillar of soul is quite doable normally but still annoying

On eclipse you might as well have lost the run

[solar nimbus]

until the jump pads dont work and you break them anyway

[tepid wolf]

Huntress moment

[hybrid vault]

exactly

[lavish ocean]

isuckok

[tepid wolf]

Huntress is so bad for Mitrix especially

[hybrid vault]

have you tried not sucking? 😎

[lavish ocean]

i was playing engi and i have neither mobility and teddies

[tepid wolf]

Her glaive does literally nothing and the lack of range hurts too

[lavish ocean]

my turrets literally dies in a second

[tepid wolf]

You really don't need teddies

Also bubble shield

[lavish ocean]

unsuck

[solar nimbus]

why are you placing them where they die in seconds

[lavish ocean]

i was using spear

[hybrid vault]

ew bubble shield

[lavish ocean]

cuz no dmg

[tepid wolf]

Then use those with mobile turrets, but you will have to deal with chimeras

[solar nimbus]

and also if harpoons obviosuly didnt work...
try shield?

[tepid wolf]

Also don't rush stages

[solar nimbus]

or focus on surviving rather than fighting back?

[tepid wolf]

That strat has been bad for a very long time now

[lavish ocean]

cool tips

[tepid wolf]

5-7 mins per stage work best

[lavish ocean]

5 min for me

[hybrid vault]

yeah, try to get most or all the items on a stage

[quartz saffron]

perhaps go to void fields for extra items

[hybrid vault]

you just have to be efficient with your pathing and farming

[tepid wolf]

Items have been buffed so many times now

[hybrid vault]

don't even need void fields

[tepid wolf]

Also yeah you can get a free win by doing void early

[solar nimbus]

5 mins is kinda much for me, i try to strike a balance and generally slow down stages 4/5

[lavish ocean]

yeah ik

[solar nimbus]

or rush shrines of combat for munne

[quartz saffron]

i got happiest mask in VF so many damned times during my eclipse runs...

[tepid wolf]

I mean you still got tons of levels, whites and greens

[solar nimbus]

i love how happiest mask is pretty bad and then its just crippled in eclipse

yeah honestly the levels are what i do void fields for

[hybrid vault]

happiest mask is fine

[solar nimbus]

cus it means the next stage is quicker

[hybrid vault]

not the best, but certainly not bad

[quartz saffron]

i did get a ghost flying chimera one time and it managed to kill a couple of things

[hybrid vault]

it's no alien head

[tepid wolf]

Rejuv rack, aegis and n'kuhana's also get screwed over by eclipse

[quartz saffron]

so at least there's that

[solar nimbus]

id rather have wake of vultures

[hybrid vault]

thank you based lily worshipper

[solar nimbus]

literally anythign else thats not head stompers

[hybrid vault]

CORPSEBLOOM

[tepid wolf]

Hmm yes 8 times less healing

[hybrid vault]

headstompers is unironically an s tier item

[solar nimbus]

it can be

[lavish ocean]

can

[solar nimbus]

i got both of arti's hard achievements with it lmao

[hybrid vault]

headstompers does insane damage

[quartz saffron]

headstompers helped me several times, I kept stomping mithrix with it

[hybrid vault]

AND it gives fall damage immunity

AND it gives extra jump height

[tepid wolf]

Headstompers make insane damage large explosions with 1.0 proc coeficient

[solar nimbus]

the extra jump height is a nuisance honestly

[quartz saffron]

well you can get rid of them by using the item

[solar nimbus]

gimme feathers, i like having control of where im going and usign quails for boost

[quartz saffron]

then you have regular jumps for 10 secs

[solar nimbus]

im aware

[granite shard]

stompers has solid damage if you can be bothered to use it but its so floaty and obnoxious i hate it
it's got fall damage nullification which is basically worthless, and the jump height is a worse hopoo feather so teh damage is its main point

mask is just a waste of time

[tepid wolf]

Like headstompers do insane damage

[fluid notch]

I don't mind the headstompers jump effect

[hybrid vault]

headstompers + wax quail gives mad trimps

[solar nimbus]

oh look my whole point cool

[hybrid vault]

which sets you up perfectly for a BEEG stomp

[solar nimbus]

that feels like an exploit and i use it as one :p

[tepid wolf]

Trimping is used a bunch in general

Look at merc

[hybrid vault]

merc is the trimp master

[solar nimbus]

speen

[tepid wolf]

Whirlwind is the best way to trimp

[hybrid vault]

lodr also uses trimps a bit

acrid can do some minor trimping

[tepid wolf]

It doesn't moon launch you unlike some other sources of trimps

[hybrid vault]

and mando roll can trimp

[tepid wolf]

It gives some height, but not too much

[solar nimbus]

commando roll lmao

[hybrid vault]

but why the hell would you use mando roll?

[lavish ocean]

alright im gonna try steaming ror 2 anyone wanna watch some powerpoint slide show?

[fluid notch]

No

[lavish ocean]

ok

[tepid wolf]

Also double nailgun mul-t can use headstompers

Since double nailgun power mode mul-t has the power of flight

[granite shard]

cause its basically identical lol and trimping is fun

[solar nimbus]

the slide is so much better than the roll what

faster, further, shoot while sliding

zoomies

[granite shard]

maybe early game when you can phase blast as well but it's not THAT big a difference that it really matters
I swap them out depending on mood

[hybrid vault]

slide has more distance, more maneuverability, and you can shoot during it

[tepid wolf]

The dive trimping also got nerfed

Dive in general got a nerf

[hybrid vault]

yeah, roll was nerfed in CUM for some reason

[tepid wolf]

Also in the air slide is better in combat with it's double jump

[granite shard]

idk why, the second i mention that i might use a technically suboptimal ability, people always jump in and tell me exactly why i shouldnt use it and the other is better

this happens literally every time

if i played this game to win id play drizzle

'but ion surge makes you lose lots of procs!'
'but suppressive fire isn't grenade!'

it's fun, you guys
i play around with other abilities for variety and because i find them fun

[hybrid vault]

I mean, that's fair

slide is not identical to roll though

[granite shard]

same reason i dont use stompers lmao
the damage is great but the mechanics are annoying to me (im also too scarred from when the damage was shockingly poor on stompers and havent used it much since)

the difference is small enough to really not matter, that is functionally identical
the combat difference is minimal (sudden directional change is fulfilled), the shooting barely matters (one or two shots), the map traversal each has their own strengths

really, this isn't a mask v stompers situation where one blatantly outshines the other

maybe if youre pure optimising for eclipse 8 + difficulty mods it might matter but it just doesn't otherwise, really

[solar nimbus]

blight acrid :3

[granite shard]

wait is something wrong with blight acrid? i dont play them at all but ill add it to the list of 'please stop correcting me i dont care and you shouldnt either' if so

[hybrid vault]

blightcrid bestcrid imo

[solar nimbus]

in the case of slide and roll tho slide feels better too. he just nyoom in a way that the roll does not

[hybrid vault]

meleecrid and rangecrid are both good

[solar nimbus]

r e a l l y. i thought blight got crapped on from friends ive talked to

[hybrid vault]

although rangecrid is way easier and slightly better

[hybrid vault]

your friends are wrong

[solar nimbus]

and i thought it was weird of me to think it stood toe-to-toe with poison

[hybrid vault]

meleecrid uses blight, rangecrid uses poison

[solar nimbus]

i swap them out with the weather, along with caustic/frenzy leap to accomodate blight

ye

[granite shard]

the regenerative buff really changed the game for meleecrid

[hybrid vault]

also, purity

meleecrid LOVES his purity

[solar nimbus]

i really
really
just want the regen to be flat healing. thats all i want

[solar nimbus]

acrid loves purity full stop

[hybrid vault]

no no we respect people who do stuff for fun

[granite shard]

i do
constantly

[hybrid vault]

at the end of the day, do what you want to have fun

[granite shard]

i think im just about alone in that fact tho

[hybrid vault]

just don't think that something is good just because you enjoy it

[granite shard]

at least it feels like it ;)

[solar nimbus]

if you think youre alone in wanting to have fun with the game
come on lmao

[granite shard]

oh come on you misread that hard

[solar nimbus]

some people have fun minimaxing, and thats fine too

[hybrid vault]

like, huntress isn't that good, but you can absolutely play huntress if you have fun with her

I prefer playing meleecrid even though rangecrid is a little better just because meleecrid is way more fun for me

[granite shard]

please be at least a little generous when interpreting the way someone types something :I

but that's besides the point

i think there's a definite consideration to be made for the fact that pretty much anyone typing in a discord server for a game is going to, on average, be better than most other players
game-questions being an exception ofc
so items that work for people here really dont for others

headstompers being a prime example of this because as far as i can tell lots of people hate them lol

eccentric vase also gets trashed on a lot when i think it's pretty good

[hybrid vault]

people actually like eccentric vase now because you can use it to skip commencement

[solar nimbus]

ooooo eeeee eccentric vase is warhorn fuel for me sorry

skipping commencement is nice but if im looping orobliterating no thank you

[granite shard]

i really enjoy it early on
sucks in loops
it's like inverse crowdfunder

[hybrid vault]

the extra jump height on headstompers does feel a bit unwieldy though. It should be a hold to jump higher thing

[solar nimbus]

thisss
i also hold E a lot to automatically open stuff i run pass, and trip the slam accidentally

[hybrid vault]

crowdfunder is still really good early on

it can actually be outclassed when looping because of cdr

[granite shard]

the reduced gravity is the sticker for me (does it have it? it feels like i hang a lot when jumpinh)
i really hate commencement for the same reason
gorgeous but annoying

[solar nimbus]

you know what, on the fun vs optimal thing
i adore fireworks :3

[granite shard]

it's harder to get it to rev up since it takes the same amount of money at basically all points as far as i can tell
i'd rather buy chests and have like missiles instead
especially since crowdfunder likes procs and i dont have so many early on
it's competing on a scarce resource when it really doesn't need to

[granite shard]

firework printers are precious

[solar nimbus]

no such thing as a failed shrine of chance

[hybrid vault]

fireworks are neat

[granite shard]

the only case i really dont bother with fun vs optimal is shrine of order
literally never not had one instantly end my run

[hybrid vault]

they have nice sfx

[solar nimbus]

shrines of order are not optimal or fun

[granite shard]

i know some people insist on doing them every time lmao
but they reallllly suck

[solar nimbus]

alright well kinda fun

i like the chaos

[granite shard]

i wish they showed up on more stages than just 3 and 6

[solar nimbus]

if im on stage 8 with nothing to lose ill do it

[hybrid vault]

even though I am a lab rat, I prefer fun over optimization usually

[solar nimbus]

it just happens to be fun to optimise lmao

[hybrid vault]

it just so happens that in a lot cases, optimization is fun for me

[dull ingot]

whose idea was it to give artificers bombs physics 💀

[hybrid vault]

it does a ton of damage though

[solar nimbus]

the devs who thought buffing the damage was a good compromise

[hybrid vault]

you just have to aim

[dull ingot]

i was only using it asa ranged attack inb4 lel

[solar nimbus]

i like aritificer's design. she feels really deliberate and takes some skill to use, and the bomb dropoff leans into that design nicely

[dull ingot]

Uuuuuughhhhhh

[hybrid vault]

yeah people give arti way too much hate

artificer is nowhere near being a bad character

she's cool

[solar nimbus]

honestly i just see ranged loader idk why people hate her so much

[dull ingot]

ive always seen them as a challenge character, always underpowered compared to everyone else

[hybrid vault]

wait a minute

[dull ingot]

😎

[solar nimbus]

shes no loader but shes not weak

[hybrid vault]

lodr and arti are high damage burst characters

lodr is just really speedy

artificer is slodr

[solar nimbus]

slodr

[dull ingot]

yeah but loader has defensive capabilities and movement capabilities

[solar nimbus]

artificer has an eject button whats your point

[dull ingot]

what button now

[hybrid vault]

saying arti is bad because lodr is better is just stupid, because lodr is the most powerful character

[dull ingot]

yea loader is imba

[solar nimbus]

im not saying that at all!

[hybrid vault]

I'm not talking to you

[solar nimbus]

oki carry on :p

[dull ingot]

whats the go-to start for artificer nows

i hadnt played in forever

[hybrid vault]

yeah arti has high damage, probably the best aoe, crowd control with her nanobomb stuns and her freeze, and she curbstomps mitchell

[solar nimbus]

easily the best crowd control, no contest

[hybrid vault]

uh the best arti loadout is fire bolt, nanobomb, and flamethrower

[hybrid vault]

rex

[dull ingot]

rex has the best crowd control whatchyall on about

[hybrid vault]

you can use ion surge if you want though

[solar nimbus]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnot so sure

i prefer harvest to growth anyway :p

[hybrid vault]

rex's root is really powerful

[dull ingot]

rex has became my go-to character ever since they buffed it

[hybrid vault]

and his weaken debuff lowers enemy damage, speed, and armor

[dull ingot]

whats the new alt skill for it BTW

root replacement

[hybrid vault]

DIRECTIVE: Harvest

it's mediocre but fun

[dull ingot]

whatdoes it do dawg

[solar nimbus]

i think it fits my playstyle way better

find myself dying less

[solar nimbus]

you dont wanna unlock it to find out?

[dull ingot]

nope 😎

[hybrid vault]

it fires a bolt at an enemy that deals 330% damage and if you kill them within 10 seconds, they drop 2-8 healing fruits that heal you for 25% max health each

it makes rex into the first actual support character

[solar nimbus]

spoiler tag? :<

[hybrid vault]

since allies can eat the fruits

[dull ingot]

Damn

sounds cool

[solar nimbus]

||basically better monster tooth on demand||

[hybrid vault]

the update has been out for over a month at this point, I think it's fine

[solar nimbus]

eh

still. artifacts are spoiler'd

[dull ingot]

what do the captain/bandint alt skills do? the ones related to mythrix, im sure as hell not unlocking those ever lol

[hybrid vault]

well artifacts are meant to be a secret

[hybrid vault]

the ones you get for killing mithrix are really good

[dull ingot]

on which one

[hybrid vault]

both

[dull ingot]

oh damn

[solar nimbus]

please do not try telling me that captains alt utility is good

[dull ingot]

K

[hybrid vault]

captain's alt utility can skip commencement

[solar nimbus]

bandit's is okay, competes
captains is
a joke

[dull ingot]

gonna have to cheat them then epic style

[hybrid vault]

captain's is unironically good

although it is a massive meme

[dull ingot]

commencement is the final level?

[hybrid vault]

correct

[dull ingot]

yeah thats what im trying to skip

[hybrid vault]

40,000% with a 40 second cooldown means 1,000% dps

[dull ingot]

not going there ever

DAAAAYYMMM

[solar nimbus]

provided you hit anything

[dull ingot]

thats on captain?

[hybrid vault]

it's good on bosses

[dull ingot]

badass

[hybrid vault]

yeah

[solar nimbus]

provided they dont slowly drift out of the way :p

[dull ingot]

whyd they lock it away like that 😫

[hybrid vault]

the diablo strike also hurts YOU

[solar nimbus]

are you asking why they put the cool ability behind a tough challenge

[hybrid vault]

but if you have osp, you'll be fine

[dull ingot]

uh oh

[fluid notch]

Diablo is based

[solar nimbus]

is it a bug that it doesnt hurt allies?

[hybrid vault]

diablo strike says it hurts allies, but it doesn't

[hybrid vault]

most likely

[solar nimbus]

exact wording is "hurts ALL characters"
but it only hits enemies and captain himself

[hybrid vault]

yeah

[dull ingot]

anyway, whats the bandit one

[fading spoke]

Desperado

every kill with it gives you a buff that buffs desperado

[dull ingot]

killer

[hybrid vault]

bandit's alternate special is called desperado: it deals 600% damage, but if it kills an enemy, you recieve a token that permanently raises its damage by 10% of desperado damage for that stage. effectively, each token raises damage by 60%. so 1 token makes you deal 660% damage, 2 tokens is 720%, etc

[dull ingot]

looking for a 100% savefile now plz give 🥺

[hybrid vault]

just edit your own savefile

[dull ingot]

uuuhhghdd fine

i remember there was a guide on steam

[solar nimbus]

is cheating too much work

[dull ingot]

listen im a busy man

[solar nimbus]

then why you playing a roguelike

[fading spoke]

Desperado sounds fun
Problem is I cannot play bandit

[dull ingot]

celebrating getting a laptop replacement

dont you come ruining my parade 💀

[solar nimbus]

im not trying to ruin anything it just bewilders me that there are people that exist that dont want to play the games they bought

[dull ingot]

Hey ive been playing it for 800+ hours, i just dread the final stage lel

[hybrid vault]

you shouldn't

[solar nimbus]

it was overhauled and is good now

[hybrid vault]

new commencement is fun

[dull ingot]

sorry, my e-fights quota has run out, ill just say that ive been there on drizzle once and hated it 💀

[fluid notch]

Cheating is cringe

Git gud

[solar nimbus]

my guy you went to commencement once and like "yeah thats enough for my 800hs of gameplay"

[dull ingot]

yea it was that bad dawg

[solar nimbus]

how did you not even try eclipse in that time

how have you not gone there accidentally lmao

[dull ingot]

isnt eclipse like an another challenge mode

oops not doing that either

[quartz saffron]

it's an alternative gamemode, tho it's rly just extra difficulty

[dull ingot]

yea ive seen someone else play it, not my thing really

[solar nimbus]

its just more of the game wha

[dull ingot]

its not more of the game though? wat

[solar nimbus]

it really, really i s just a challenge for if you think youve mastered the game

do you only do command runs or something

[dull ingot]

i play with no artifacts

just like the day 1

[hybrid vault]

eclipse is kinda cringe tbh

[granite shard]

didnt hopoo themselves say that they didnt find eclipse was fair, that's actually why there's not a reward for it

I never played it very much myself

[hybrid vault]

they did

it was like a last minute thing

to be fair, it's pretty good considering it was a last minute addition

[solar nimbus]

im just doing it so the game is still fun after doing all the challenges

and hunting for logs

[dull ingot]

insane

[solar nimbus]

it isnt fair but the game isnt fair and i love that

[granite shard]

my current mode of suffering is swarms and evolution
there's some extra difficulty (some very very difficult) but it's mostly avoidable
permanent damage does not appeal to me in the same way

base game is totally fair, hence why every ability is viable

[dull ingot]

damn that reminds me of some dark souls joke review i found on web once

[dull ingot]

laughter

[granite shard]

feel free to let me know which abilities aren't viable ;) (jk, don't, they're all viable and you're wrong)

[solar nimbus]

if im still hungry for more after i do eclipse 8 on the fun characters ill start doing artifact runs, maybe ticking them off in a graph could be fun

[dull ingot]

artifacts are awesome doe, surprized they never added friendly fire in 1st game lol, makes the game ridiculous and fun

[solar nimbus]

cant wait to do stuff like spite+glass
trial of stone

wait-
"i dont play with artifacts"
"artifact of chaos is fun"
?????

[granite shard]

i always preferred difficulty through different rules or scaling things up in unique ways
as opposed to stuff like half healing
just doesnt feel as good to me

they might have meant 'generally don't' as opposed to 'literally never'

[merry karma]

my fav artifacts are

[solar nimbus]

something about "just like day 1" communicated "never" to me

spite

[sonic sinew]

makes huntress bearable I think

[dull ingot]

Yea i try it out sometimes when im bored lol

[sonic sinew]

Sacrifice and Swarms turns the game into an arena mode where you hunt down the tp and just tear through enemies

[fluid notch]

Yes

[solar nimbus]

why spite

[fluid notch]

Spite is based

[solar nimbus]

please explain to me why you think spite is based

[fluid notch]

Because it is

[solar nimbus]

ok

question:
does fully absorbing a hit with barrier reset your cooldown for shield?

and/or does blocking with

[fluid notch]

Blocking damage won't reset shield recharge cooldown

Not sure about barrier

[solar nimbus]

okay uhh
just skipped phase 4 somehow??
ive never seen that before, he didnt take any of my items and just stood there while i bopped him

[hybrid vault]

there is a small window, I think it's about 3 frames, where you can kill mithrix before he steals your items

[keen onyx]

It was added as a bug, abused by speedrunners, patched i think, and now its here again(still?). Regardless it makes life easier

[sonic sinew]

If you can proc a fire band the persisting tornado will cook him instantaneously by abusing that slight window, I've done it a few times on accident

[solar nimbus]

yeah i think it was kjaros

it didnt kill him instantly though, he just stood there not moving while i could hit him

[next cobalt]

yo I just realised that the 4 pillar types on commencement match the building blocks mithrix and providence used to create life, neat detail

[sonic sinew]

Poetic cinema

They also match the 4 compounds used to enter codes for the artifact portal

[fluid notch]

Artifacts

[sonic sinew]

Yes I love them

Their 3D models are so nice I extracted them and I kind of want to 3D print them

[fluid notch]

Do it

[patent pumice]

The 4 elements of the universe are the same as the 4 pillars on commencement are the same as the 4 compounds used to open the artifact tp.

Mass, design, blood, and soul.

[merry karma]

j

[dull ingot]

ok, so,

I was watching this video and these guys were playing with on, and someone hit a blood shrine and got 3 gold, so naturally I was like "oh, interesting, it goes down if you have less max health" so I looked it up, and you get half your health in gold (or a 2:1 ratio of health to gold), so assuming the shrine rounds up...

Having 25 health (equivalent to 1 bison steak)
50% - 7 gold
75% - 9 gold
93% - 12 gold

this means you get up to 12 more gold than usual if you have a single bison steak
worth it? 😳

for comparison...
100 health =
50% - 25 gold
75% - 38 gold
93% - 47 gold

so you get a bit more with if you do the 50% or the 93% (relatively of course), but you get more for 75% if you have an
kinda cool imo

[real monolith]

bison steak hidden potential?

[dull ingot]

become the tankiest mother fucker and spam blood shrines

[neon lichen]

Or just be multi and have like one bungus

One blood shrine will allow you to loot any of your first couple stages

[dull ingot]

I still can't believe people hype up infusion but no one talks about Transcendence's +50% max health per stack ability

like yeah, it's shield, but you literally double your health from every source with two
that's a pretty good deal to me. especially if you have literally any amount of stealth kits or something that makes you go invisible for a couple seconds

[tepid wolf]

It's 175% HP with 2

[dull ingot]

oh, so it does stack exponentially

pog

[tepid wolf]

First stack is 50% and the second is 25%

[dull ingot]

oh, wait

oh damb

they nerfed it 😔

[tepid wolf]

Also transcendence doesn't increase PSG shield gains

[dull ingot]

that's fine. PSG is based off max health anyways (not including transcendence, of course) so it still goes up when you get items

[tepid wolf]

But yeah people don't forget about the HP boon of transcendence

[dull ingot]

it would be cool if transc stacks exponentially

1.5(1.25^(x-1))

at 9 stacks, you'd get 11 times health

worth the investment, imo

[tulip nimbus]

Exponentially would be broken tho

[dull ingot]

not really imo

most other lunar items have some form of exponential stacking

well, the ones where it makes sense

I think if transcendence stacked exponentially, it would become meta with shaped glass

really good combo

you'd actually get less than linear stacking for a bit until you hit the exponential curve

[tulip nimbus]

Yea but

[dull ingot]

and it would take 12 stacks to get 10 times health, instead of 9

[tepid wolf]

That would just make lunar coin editers even more powerful

[tulip nimbus]

There's gonna be a point where one more stack gives you 103849302948x hp

[dull ingot]

yeah

the up side of turning all your health into shield

you're still not invincible, just really close

[dull ingot]

also I'm curious if this is an actual number or if you randomly put in numbers lol

[tepid wolf]

If you did that you would also need to give trancendence an actual downside with stacks

[dull ingot]

I mean...

Gesture ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tulip nimbus]

No bad

Bad argument no

[dull ingot]

lol

[tepid wolf]

I mean that doesn't mean lunars should have no downsides

[tulip nimbus]

Random number

[tepid wolf]

I guess a longer shield recharge could work with transcendence stacks

[dull ingot]

that would be really painful

[tulip nimbus]

That would be interesting

But nah

[tepid wolf]

So you would be super tanky but take a while to heal

[dull ingot]

I would be ok with it if my alien head rework idea was added, but not in any other circumstance

[tulip nimbus]

Although I guess it would stop people from stacking 10+ transcendence

[dull ingot]

(alien head rework idea:
#ror2-feedback-and-ideas message)

[tulip nimbus]

Also it would be cool if there was an item that reduced shield activation time

[dull ingot]

cough cough
alien head rework lol

[tulip nimbus]

Yea that's a cool rework

[dull ingot]

thanks 😄

[tepid wolf]

In general shield could use more items that interact with it

[dull ingot]

yeah

[tulip nimbus]

I really like all the modded items

[dull ingot]

do you know if counts shield as health, or no?

[tepid wolf]

I think it should

[tulip nimbus]

Yes it does

[tepid wolf]

It's still good though since it reduces gold loss

[dull ingot]

ok, that's good

means PSGs actually help somewhat lol

[tepid wolf]

Same with E8

[dull ingot]

oh, true

oh, yeah

apparently Transcendence is pretty much meta on Eclipse
it negates fall damage, the 50% starting health, reduces permanent curse, and heals back instantly so no health reduction worries

[tepid wolf]

Yeah you always get transcendence

The healing reduction + eclipse 1 are devastating

You have 0.3 base HP regen

While starting at half HP

[tulip nimbus]

Just gross

[tepid wolf]

Eclipse 5 is just so dumb in general

[dull ingot]

malachites eat your heart out 😆

[tepid wolf]

Also E5 kills half your items

[hybrid vault]

e5 is my least favorite thing in ror2

even worse than huntress or kipkip

[tepid wolf]

Eclipse is good for heretic though

Less degen

[hybrid vault]

lmao

[tepid wolf]

Also you still get the eclipse level if you do it as heretic I think

[hybrid vault]

oh really?

has it been tested?

[tepid wolf]

Not sure on that, and I'm not at the computer myself

At least that's what I expect, instead of the eclipse run doing nothing

If that is true huntress could actually be bearable for eclipse then

[hybrid vault]

and rex

man poor rex and engi

they get bullied by eclipse

[tepid wolf]

Engi gets bullied from eclipse 1

[dull ingot]

bungus no more 😔

[sonic sinew]

Didn't the devs say that eclipse was an afterthought, so they didn't balance it specifically for characters or put a reward behind it?

[tulip nimbus]

Correct

[torpid lynx]

any bandit mains here who have tips and techs to impart to this budding bandit main

[tulip nimbus]

What loadout do you usr

[torpid lynx]

I use the standard default loadout, cuz I don't like the rifle and I haven't unlocked the other ones yet

[swift badge]

Learn to fly with Lights Out and Utility spam

[tepid wolf]

Well for sure use desperado once you unlock it

Lights out is not that great since bandit has super short cooldowns to begin with

[swift badge]

You should know I hardly play this game seriously, so that means little to me.

[torpid lynx]

I tend to do the whole 'teleport from behind and lights out' to mobs lol

[tepid wolf]

Desperado gets 10% extra base damage on kill

[swift badge]

But main thing is Utility gives you an extra jump pretty much

[tepid wolf]

So 60% per kill

[torpid lynx]

o shieeeee that's cracked

[tepid wolf]

It resets every stage, but it's really just fine

[tulip nimbus]

Utility gives you 2 extra jumps actually

[merry karma]

desperado purity

[tulip nimbus]

Kind of

[merry karma]

one shot mithrix

[swift badge]

Height is more like one when you use it and then deactivate the stealth

So yeah, kind of like two, height is more like one

[tepid wolf]

You can get 20-30 kills per stage early on

So yeah 20 kills is 1800% damage

[tepid wolf]

And up to 3 times of that if the enemy is low

I over time started to really like the bandit rifle

That no fall off is so nice. And shooting in 2 shot bursts helps with that accuracy

[swift badge]

Rifle is way nicer for overall Bandit runs

[tepid wolf]

Also the bandit M1s reload slower if you don't empty the clip

[swift badge]

But I personally love running shotgun cuz Focus Crystals make 'em hit hard

[torpid lynx]

o dang rly?? is it higher dps than shotty

[tepid wolf]

It is at range

[swift badge]

Your overall damage range is larger

[tepid wolf]

Shotgun falls off to 50% damage when you are 60 meters away

And usually 1-3 pellets hit at range

[torpid lynx]

i c, I like to be more up close and personal for the hemorrhage combo

[tepid wolf]

Also the rifle is better for keeping up bleed stacks since shotgun bleed stacks last 1.5 seconds

[dull ingot]

why does the ally cap exist

[torpid lynx]

oooo gotcha

[tepid wolf]

Lag

[swift badge]

^

[tepid wolf]

Oh god so much lag if that wasn't a thing

[swift badge]

One thing that Shotgun does have is an advantage with Shatterspleen

[tulip nimbus]

Its longer than 1.5 seconds no?

[swift badge]

5 bleed ticks if you hit 'em all each

[tepid wolf]

No, shotgun pellets are 0.5 proc coeficient

[tulip nimbus]

Yea

[swift badge]

...well, if you hit the back

[tepid wolf]

But last half the time of rifle bleeds

[high torrent]

have you ever just perma uptime back up

[swift badge]

While rifle would be 5 bleed, shotgun skyrockets it to 25

[tulip nimbus]

I thought a 1.0 coefficient of bleed does 20% per tick for a total of 240% damage

[tepid wolf]

But each shotgun bleed stack does half the damage and is harder to stack

[swift badge]

And Desperado/Lights Out has a proc co. of 1 yes?

[tepid wolf]

Yes

[tulip nimbus]

Yea

[swift badge]

So after you use your burst you shoot 'em with that

[tepid wolf]

Shotgun bleed is 120% damage per stack

[swift badge]

26 stacks of a 1 proc coefficient bleed

Because it raises to meet the highest proc co

[tepid wolf]

Also similar like hemorrhage bandit deals way too much burst damage to stack it well most of the time

Bandit is so overtuned it's nuts

[tulip nimbus]

Ohh the bleed is 4 ticks per second I see now

[swift badge]

Gotta hit like.. T2 elites or somethin' to finally get those 20 stacks for the achievement

[tepid wolf]

Not really get 3 purities

[torpid lynx]

1. is bleed assuming you got tri tip blade
2. how do I get 20 stacks of hemorrhage to unlock the ranged m2

[tepid wolf]

And full crit

[tulip nimbus]

Yes and Awu or aurelionite with backup mags

[tepid wolf]

And do it on artifact of honor

[torpid lynx]

o shieeee that's big brain, tyty

[tepid wolf]

So yeah 3 purities

[tulip nimbus]

Yea and also stack as

[tepid wolf]

0.5 second M2 cooldown

10 glasses for full crit from the front too

[swift badge]

Last achievement to get for me actually

[tepid wolf]

The knife throw is pretty solid, also it has a different model for the skin

[swift badge]

I'd been trying the Bushwhacked Rex one for ages before the Hemorrhage lol

[tepid wolf]

So the knife looks different with the alt skin bandit

[swift badge]

Alt Skin bandit is neat. I prefer the default, though.

[torpid lynx]

Lol i agree

[tepid wolf]

I like the alt skin for the reference

[torpid lynx]

It’s that ref to the other hopoo game right

[tepid wolf]

Yes it's a reference to deadbolt

[fluid sedge]

sooo,gd2 is a less chaotic version of gd1 with 2 more braincells

[dull ingot]

risk of rain 2 players? with braincells?

those dont exist

[tepid wolf]

I mean there's the lab Discord

[real monolith]

can confirm

[tepid wolf]

Also Withor and Charlie are galaxies ahead of everyone it's kinda nuts

[outer swallow]

Im pretty sure its referencing Ibzan in Deadbolt - I think his boss fight has one of the best tracks in any boss fight for a game and the level was interestng

[swift badge]

We have them, we just don't choose to use them.

Because it's more fun to go "weeeee bright explosions go brrrt"

[dull ingot]

wait...

if you get , turn on , go , and get + ...

can you stack infinite desperado tokens?
Since killing an ally gives you tokens.. you could get a lot of tokens 🤔

[swift badge]

Perhaps some testing is in order 🙂

[dull ingot]

imagine stacking tokens with your friends

[solar nimbus]

can you not also stack tokens by
uhh
killing enemies? that infinitely spawn?

[modern ether]

lmao

[dull ingot]

enemies scale too fast in late game to reliably get kills, especially without extra items that can accidentally steal your kills from you

[swift badge]

Stage 1 Sacrifice, see how many you can get

[dull ingot]

620. I counted lol

[swift badge]

Oh jeez. 6800%?

Or did I get the base damage wrong?

[dull ingot]

uh
I don't think so

I got 74,400%

oh, wait it's 10%

[hybrid vault]

desperado tokens are 10% of desperado damage

[dull ingot]

600(.1(620)) = 37,200%

[hybrid vault]

10% of 600%

[dull ingot]

yup

[hybrid vault]

so each token is an additional 60%

[dull ingot]

yup

[dull ingot]

so this is correct

[hybrid vault]

and then you add the 600% of desperado, which makes it 37,800%

[tulip nimbus]

And then you add a kjaro band which makes it

[dull ingot]

uh

..no

[hybrid vault]

what

[dull ingot]

10% of 600% = (0.1)(600) = 60
620 stacks = 60(620) = 37,200

[hybrid vault]

are you saying the additional damage of the tokens, or the total damage of desperado with the tokens?

[tulip nimbus]

Monsterskin is correct

[dull ingot]

oh, right, I forgot you add an extra 600% because the original desperado damage mb

that's crazy 😅

[tulip nimbus]

That's a lotta damage

[merry karma]

[quaint oak]

Bandit goes to the moon to execute a mere child - 2021 colorized

[torpid lynx]

thanks for all the tips yall! just one more q: what item builds are good on bandit?

been trying command, honor, sacrifice, and swarm artifacts and I've been getting fuckin swamped lol

[quaint oak]

no idea, all i know is 17 runalds bands + 26 crowbars with lights out along with a crit is like 40k damage LOL

mithrix just got BONKED

[torpid lynx]

shieeeeee

[raven lichen]

beware, for max depth proc chain stuff you have to account for aoe and also every step of every chain, which is hundreds of steps thanks to meat hook having 10 steps by itself, and molten perf proccing on everything in its aoe aha

[dull ingot]

woah

ok 😅

[raven lichen]

i think someone linked the thing in gd1 actually while you were typing

i wrote a simulator for proc chains that i used to get that info cause uh
too hard to do by hand aha

[dull ingot]

yeah, someone did
insanity 🤯

[raven lichen]

I got max depth with some assumed aoe values in order to get fair chains, and then added like a million clovers. I have avg too with no luck if you are curious, the nums are way smaller since the max depth requires a ton of super low rolls to succeed

[proven lance]

This can backfire terribly

Mythrix stage 4

[dull ingot]

keep on messing up the luck chart 😓

[full gale]

Gd2, heaven

[dull ingot]

oh hey

[full gale]

Hellu

[zinc kernel]

gd1 2

[dull ingot]

ok, I skipped the luck chart. I'll figure it out later

the biggest proc I could get (with one hit alone) is this

Ok, so if I were to hit an enemy once with a 1.0...

10%
5%
10%
25%
18%
7%
20%
10%
10%
30%

0.1(0.05)(0.1)(0.25)(0.18)(0.07)(0.2)(0.1)(0.1)(0.3)
or
0.000000000945
or
0.0000000945%

ok so this is the normal chat right?

[full gale]

Let's s-

[full gale]

Yep

[dull ingot]

thank god

[tulip nimbus]

Frenzy, buddy

[dull ingot]

what

[full gale]

It's basically gd1's back-up in case gd1 does gd1 shit like right now

[tulip nimbus]

Welcome to the Official Discord of Risk of Rain 2 made by Hopoo Games

[dull ingot]

does this happen often?

[tulip nimbus]

Tell me who you main

[faint river]

every day

[full gale]

Every other day yeah

[dull ingot]

just started yesterday but i really like the guy with the shotgun

[tulip nimbus]

That's cool

[dull ingot]

commando is good too i guess

[faint river]

home of the grave of ror2 memes

[full gale]

Captain?

[tulip nimbus]

Cool

[faint river]

captian or bandit?"

[full gale]

Or bandit

[dull ingot]

bandit

[tulip nimbus]

Go to #role-assignment

[full gale]

The new guy

[tulip nimbus]

And get a bandit role

[full gale]

I'm a console player but he seems really fun

[full gale]

Also you calculated the chance so far

[dull ingot]

pog

alr alr got it

since i started the game yesterday i have just been getting my ass kicked up until my first loop

[full gale]

Seems reasonable

[dull ingot]

i have only gotten to 3rd stage 1st loop

[tulip nimbus]

What difficulty do you play on

[full gale]

Dw I was just like you at first
It takes a bit of time to get used to the game and learn things

[dull ingot]

but the 2 times i got to loops it was pretty fun, id have to say its one of my fav games, but to be honest rougelikes are just my type of games

[full gale]

That's so cool to hear man

[dull ingot]

i play on normal mode cuz im too bad for hard and have too much of an ego for easy

[full gale]

I'm always thrilled whenever someone new picks the game up and loves it from the get-go

[full gale]

I died on stage 1 on drizzle when I first started like 10 times lmao

[dull ingot]

honestly been meaning to get it, along with deadcells but i havent gotten dead cells yet

[dull ingot]

trust me when i say that the first 20 times i played i only got to stage 2 max

always died at the boss

[full gale]

As a ror2 player who has never touched or got into dead cells I can vouch for your choice of getting ror2 first

[faint river]

tip frenzy times important

[dull ingot]

oh i know, when i stopped farming for chests i started getting to stage 3 in 8 minutes

enough to get the secret chest if i get lucky with the stage

but im still rusty on my time, gotta get faster, but that comes with practice and management

[tulip nimbus]

Hmm

What diff do you play on?

[dull ingot]

normal

[full gale]

I would say to not rush so much

[dull ingot]

unironically listening to everywhere at the end of time

[full gale]

The more items you have the better

[hybrid vault]

^

[dull ingot]

ngl, shit's deep

yea im gonna be honest, the 5th game i played i stopped went to youtuber and searched for guides

[hybrid vault]

rushing is just not a viable strategy

[tulip nimbus]

Yea especially on rainstorm there's no need to be at stage 3 by 8 minutes

[hybrid vault]

uh oh

[tulip nimbus]

Was his name uh

[dull ingot]

cough cough woolie cough cough

[faint river]

whats the name

[tulip nimbus]

His name wasn't woolie was it

[faint river]

OH GOD WOOLIE

[tulip nimbus]

Shit fuck

[dull ingot]

oh it was

[hybrid vault]

yeah don't listen to woolie

[dull ingot]

really?

[full gale]

Keeping up time is important, sure, but looting and getting more items that will make your survivor stronger and synergize with each other is also super important to do

So you need to find a balance between both

[hybrid vault]

yeah woolie does not what the fuck he is talking about

[full gale]

As a woolie fan myself I can tell ya that he gives a little too much credit to time and sometimes he rushes the third stage tp without looting anything beforehand

[dull ingot]

yea main reason why i came here was because i still felt like i could learn more, just youtube videos of a random guy cant be good

[hybrid vault]

smart

[dull ingot]

even tho i play dbd and the only fucking person i watch is otz, i really dont think watching 1 guy is viable to learn stuff

[full gale]

He has some good videos and guides but you were right about that
Obviously one guy can't know everything and what he says will be subjective to how he plays

[raven lichen]

rushing works, its just more difficult since you are relying more on the rng of the few items you get to defeat strong foes
Of course wasting time meandering around stages is also suboptimal, and buying up every single drone or shrine is probably too slow, but typically i try to get every chest at the least

A big part of it is like
just not killing stuff when you have enough cash for the next loots

[dull ingot]

happens to me too much that i trust 1 youtuber and never get better

[hybrid vault]

I fell into the woolie trap when I started out, but I escaped

[full gale]

Yeah see, find a balance between the two things

5-6 minutes per stage while also assessing the location of the chests and how to get to them on that stage is the meta bro

[hybrid vault]

once you get efficient at looting and pathing, you can almost completely ignore the timer though

[dull ingot]

i mainly try and get to stage 3 by 8 minutes to get the chest with the powerfull thing i dont remember the name of, but after that i stay about 6 minutes each stage to get all loot

[full gale]

Sometimes as Huntress I'm able to fully clear a stage and its loot in those 5 minutes

[full gale]

accumulator

[hybrid vault]

you should not be getting to stage 3 in 8 minutes

[dull ingot]

why is that?

[raven lichen]

yea
i often spend longer than 5 mins per stage before ive got good movement items

But loader or acrid are really only gated by enough enemies spawning, and having enough dps to kill em all aha

[hybrid vault]

you will not be getting enough loot in 8 minutes

[dull ingot]

I followed his guides for a while, but realized his personality wasn't what I was looking for and found others who better suited my viewing pleasure

I do think he is a really good place to start off as, since he knows what he's talking about (from a higher skill level, of course), but it's always good to get multiple points of perspective from multiple play styles before settlings on one

[full gale]

Because of the balance between rushing and looting
If you rush to stage 3 in 8 minutes but your items are shit your run won't go far ya know?

[hybrid vault]

getting items is way more important than time

[dull ingot]

so, what you are telling me that loot is more important than time and spending 5 min or more on a stage to get loot is normal and good?

noted

[hybrid vault]

precisely.

[full gale]

4-6 minutes per stage is good enough

[dull ingot]

yea id say that in my first 2 runs i stayed in stages for a long long time and i had a fuck ton of fun

[raven lichen]

as long as its a fair amount yea
like spending 5+ minutes playing out a shrine for one white items is probably not a great investment, but if there are chests then yea just hang out till you can open em

[full gale]

^

[dull ingot]

oh no, i know shrines are not good since um

[full gale]

Woolie

[dull ingot]

i get fuck nothing

[raven lichen]

shrines are a bit sus aha
its like a 45% to get nothing and is only cheaper than a chest for the first 2 rolls, but even missing the first roll makes it more expensive

[dull ingot]

best thing i get is a white and that white is the banner so i avoid them unless they are near teleport and i have cash to spare

[hybrid vault]

like, hit a shrine once or twice, and then leave them

[full gale]

For some reason woolie prefers to waste his money on a shrine instead of using it to level up when he hits the tp

Which is something I will never understand

[raven lichen]

id still probably roll the dice on a shrine, but i dont value tele cash exp much

its a really low conversion rate, and the stronger enemies will just grant more exp anyways and kinda level you out most of the time

[full gale]

I do cuz I feel like levelling up a lot matters a lot in the early game
But that's just me as an huntress main probably

[dull ingot]

one thing i dont understand is how are you supposed to get stronger in later stages, when i got to my 3rd stage 1st loop i had a pretty good run but i always struggled with special boss enemies that 1shot me

[hybrid vault]

the most important ror2 tip: make sure you have fun
however, keep in mind that just because something is fun doesn't mean it's necessarily good

[raven lichen]

early game moreso for sure because you can actually get a level off it aha

[deep pecan]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting to stage 3 in 8 minutes as long as you're actually spending all of the money you got along the way.

[dull ingot]

lunar items are really good late game

glass especially, if you're to that point where anything can one shot you anyways, so your max health doesn't really matter

now i can see the massive difference between gd1 and gd2

[deep pecan]

And not spending it on worthless stuff like shrines or turrets but that part's kind of implied

[hybrid vault]

yeah gd1 is chaos

[dull ingot]

this feels like talking to the teacher vs talking to your class mates

[full gale]

Most things in the game have a tendency to eventually oneshot you
You need to learn how the monsters attack and how to efficiently dodge them
Also healing helps a lot because of a certain mechanic called OSP

[dull ingot]

OSP?

[hybrid vault]

if it weren't for the fact that I feel obligated to stay there to curb the spread of misinformation, I would never go in gd1

I am cursed to guard it

[full gale]

One Shot Protection which basically prevents you from dying from one hit as long as your hp is at or above 90%

[dull ingot]

i said something there and everyone just said "leave get out just go" and it felt really fucking bad if im gonna be honest

[hybrid vault]

never, ever, ever rely on osp

[full gale]

And if you have a lot of healing you can heal back up to OSP

[hybrid vault]

they were trying to protect you

[dull ingot]

yea i learnt that when i got one shot about 10 times

[full gale]

It's not reliable but it's there and it works sometimes

[deep pecan]

can confirm I told him to leave for his own protection

[dull ingot]

yea i understand now

[full gale]

I say sometimes because certain enemies attack multiple times in less than a second which completely renders OSP useless

[hybrid vault]

osp is only useful during the final boss and during looping

[dull ingot]

yea the first time i had to fight an imp overlord i died in 30 secs

[hybrid vault]

although some of the final boss's attacks have multiple hitboxes and can ignore osp

[full gale]

Imp overlords and blazing enemies are especially dangerous because they apply a debuff to you if they hit you
A bleed or a burn

[deep pecan]

Imp Overlord is kind of counterintuitive because the best strategy is to run up to him and immediately run away.

[hybrid vault]

always stay behind an imp overlord

[dull ingot]

oh i hate blazing enemies

[full gale]

Wait till you meet tier 2 elites

[dull ingot]

especially the lesser wisp ones

[hybrid vault]

oh god malachites

[deep pecan]

You don't even need to stay behind him, just lock him into the ground pound animation over and over

[dull ingot]

tier what now?

[hybrid vault]

thank god I don't loop anymore

[full gale]

Yep

[hybrid vault]

no more dealing with malachites

[hybrid vault]

tier 2 elites are even stronger than normal elites and begin spawning after you loop once

[dull ingot]

oh the first time i saw a malachite it was very underwhelming cuz i had already killed everything and they where the only ones left

[deep pecan]

on a related note, stone titan will never laser you if you stay close enough to him

[full gale]

How's your experience with vagrants frenzy

[deep pecan]

abusing this simple quirk will make all of your stone titan encounters painless for free

[dull ingot]

wait lemme google vagrants real quick, i forget easily

[full gale]

[hybrid vault]

wandering vagrant

[raven lichen]

[deep pecan]

vagrants are big jellyfish

[hybrid vault]

big jellyfish boi

[raven lichen]

oh you beat me to it haha
fast
the larg jellyfishs tho yea

[dull ingot]

i fucking hate the little jelly fish fucker

not hard per say, they just suck

[full gale]

What about the big boy jelly fish fucker

[dull ingot]

OH I HATE HIM EVEN MORE

[full gale]

LMAO

Beautiful reply

[dull ingot]

vagrant?

he was easier in the first game lol

[hybrid vault]

tip: you can hide behind terrain to dodge the vagrant's big explosion

[dull ingot]

every time i see the big jelly fish i sigh so loudly everyone can hear it in a 20m radius

[hybrid vault]

yeah vagrants were basically a free boss in ror1

[dull ingot]

its still crazy how ror1 went from a 2d rougelike to a 3d one

[full gale]

They are like my least favorite boss to fight right behind grovetenders

[full gale]

And made by 3 people

[dull ingot]

i have only played 3 rougelikes, TBOI, Noita and ETG

[dull ingot]

fucking wow, really?

[full gale]

Yep

[hybrid vault]

roguelikes are probably my favorite genre at this point

[full gale]

Hopoo, Paul and Ghor were the 3 developers to work on the game
Chris Chris made the music

[hybrid vault]

fun fact: the devs made ror2 with no experience in making 3d games

[full gale]

^

[deep pecan]

Vagrants in RoR1 were easy until they became overloading and then they were run enders

[dull ingot]

yea, i tried shooters, to bad at them, tried survival games, too boring, tried rpg, short atention span, now rougelikes, they are all thoes problems together but make it positive

I wish I could play more, but my parents took my computer away since I can't get a B average 😔

[full gale]

Hopoo had to learn 3D art from scratch to make the art for this game

[full gale]

I FEEL YOU MAN

[dull ingot]

i already know that rougelikes are my fav.

[full gale]

Ror2 was everything I was looking for in a game

[dull ingot]

they are just the perfect game for someone who just wants a quick fun go at lottery but with a touch of murder

[full gale]

Is*

Couldn't agree more

[dull ingot]

id say even tho i love ror2, i will stop playing it for some time, it happens with every game i play but ill always enjoy it

[deep pecan]

I just wanted Ziggurat but with RoR1 style multiplayer.

[full gale]

Wait till you find about artifacts

[hybrid vault]

I said that too when I started, and I was wrong

[dull ingot]

id say that with ror2, noita and tboi i have a perfect game loop to play if i ever get bored of one of them

[dull ingot]

meh we will see.

i sure hope this is the game that hooks me

[full gale]

You can endlessly cycle between them

[dull ingot]

the main reason i found about ror2 was because of a small streamer, but for some reason, i thought the title "risk of rain 2" sounded alot like it would be a russian game

i also expected the game to be alot lot harder

[full gale]

First time I saw risk of rain 2 was from a youtuber called DangerouslyFunny

[dull ingot]

not that its not, its just not the hard i thought it would be, its a kind of hard that you need to focus but still have fun while you play the game

but if im gonna be honest, the run i get a god run in ror 2 is gonna be a good one

cuz i know how extremely rare god runs are, since i have over 200 hours on isaac, and 100 hours on noita, i know its gonna take some time

[hybrid vault]

god runs in ror2 are laughably common

[dull ingot]

really?, maybe im just bad

[full gale]

I remember my first god run
Drizzle, stage 30, unlocked [REDACTED], bought 2 shaped glass and only picked up 1 on accident, neck started hurting, void reaver killed me

[dull ingot]

well i only have like 7 hours on the game

[deep pecan]

You can get god runs with somewhere between "decent" and "permanent" consistency depending on how hard you lean on all of the broken stuff.

Once you learn the game ofc

Though, some of the broken stuff doesn't even really require that much.

hit newt altar stage 1, go to void, enjoy your god run

[dull ingot]

well with tboi the amount of times there is makes it a bit harder to get god runs, altho in ror2 id say i see the same items most of the time, its fun when i get something like 4x soldiers syringe and then die

i still need to learn dodging, focusing on certain enemies, and stuff like that. but when i get there its gonna get alot more fun

plus if it gets too easy i can try hard mode

[deep pecan]

(note: do not actually go to void stage 1, it's atrociously boring)

oh I was actually talking about hard mode

[dull ingot]

have never gone to void

[full gale]

If you use the void fields your god run doesn't count

I don't make the rules sorry

[dull ingot]

what does the void have?

[deep pecan]

okay so you know how the central point of the entire game is that difficulty goes up as time passes?

[dull ingot]

yes

[deep pecan]

void is the place where that doesn't happen and you also get 9 items and a bunch of levels

[dull ingot]

that just seems extremely boring

[deep pecan]

oh, it is, and not just for that reason

[dull ingot]

well maybe for a power trip sure, but after the first 10 minutes it just gets sad

[hybrid vault]

it lasts a minimum of 15 minutes

although there is a character unlock behind doing void fields

[deep pecan]

I have some ridiculous void screenshots that I can't directly upload because I never bothered to do 2fa or whatever

[hybrid vault]

so you should do it

[dull ingot]

the big doggo

[hybrid vault]

acrid, my beloved

[dull ingot]

the one that spits acid

yea that one

[hybrid vault]

funni lizard dog

[dull ingot]

im mainly looking to unlock captain to see how he plays, after that i kinda also wanna unlock the dog

so when i play again im gonna try and fight final boss rather than go on loops

[deep pecan]

https://imgur.com/a/g3HyCBa

[hybrid vault]

fighting the final boss is way more fun than looping imo

it's quite a bit more difficult, but that's what I live for

[dull ingot]

yea no thats boring lmao

[dull ingot]

i honestly try and enjoy runs as much as i can, as soon as it gets boring i go to end it

[deep pecan]

the most amazing part is that void is the SECOND biggest way you can trivialize risk of rain 2's difficulty

[hybrid vault]

oh yeah, command exists

[dull ingot]

the 1st one being?

[deep pecan]

Game modifier that lets you choose your items.

[hybrid vault]

allows you to choose items

[dull ingot]

holy fuck that boring

[deep pecan]

Monsoon/Command is unironically easier than Drizzle.

And it's not all that close either.

[dull ingot]

does monsoon have something special other than lower health regen?

[deep pecan]

Difficulty increases faster.

[hybrid vault]

faster difficulty scaling

[dull ingot]

that is good because?

[hybrid vault]

it's harder

[dull ingot]

thats it?

[full gale]

If you have any cool builds in mind command lets you do them

[hybrid vault]

command is good for meme runs

[dull ingot]

i mean yea but like, normal gameplay is more fun imo

[full gale]

Like stacking these with these on this guy

Or stacking

[dull ingot]

x10 missile x10 clover

[full gale]

Ye

[tulip nimbus]

Or stacking 😳

[deep pecan]

https://youtu.be/oQNq24b32RI?t=83

[dull ingot]

honestly, the most fun thing i have seen in ror2 is the non complexity in the face of danger, cuz like in other games you have to focus alot on stuff like easter eggs to get alt paths and stuff, but in ror2 its more about enjoying the chaos and choosing either a final boss or a rerun

[full gale]

I had a run where I got 2 a billion and 12 to get a minion army

[deep pecan]

oh, yes, remember to unlock the alt utility for engineer so you can play him without falling asleep

[full gale]

There is a shitton of freedom in how you can play the game and I love that

[dull ingot]

its fun, its a good game, when i was planning on buying it and i literally did not see a single negative review

[hybrid vault]

there are literally no bad items in this game

[dull ingot]

i was scrolling for about 5 minutes, and i did not see a single one

[hybrid vault]

the worst items are mediocre at worst

[dull ingot]

true

[hybrid vault]

well, besides tonic afflictions, but that doesn't count

[dull ingot]

i like that, when you get an item you dont think "fuck this is gonna kill my run" its more of a "well, at least it gives me X and stuff"

[full gale]

[hybrid vault]

squid polyp does actually have some use now

[full gale]

How

[dull ingot]

what it do?

[hybrid vault]

it's on the weaker side, but it is certainly not useless

it can actually do some nice damage

and it draws aggro

[deep pecan]

it's not literally useless but it's the kind of item where if you scrap it you are very unlikely to actually notice the difference

[full gale]

Any time you interact with something a squid turret shows up that deals 100% damage and dies over time

[dull ingot]

honestly the hardest thing to find for me is the item scrapper, so most of the times i hit a printer and lose a missile or something and cry

[full gale]

Stacking it increases its own attack speed by 100% each time

[hybrid vault]

https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Squid_Polyp

[deep pecan]

chronobauble is also not great but that's because almost everything it can affect is already ridiculously slow to begin with

[hybrid vault]

chronobauble is good against mithrix

[deep pecan]

yep, and fast enemies in void, and umbras

[tulip nimbus]

Chrono bauble is so good with arrow rain

[hybrid vault]

since I always do 6mm (stage 6 mithrix monsoon) I am always happy to get a chronobauble

it stacks horribly though

[full gale]

Aight 4am time to 😴

[deep pecan]

but those are the only fast enemies in the game, so, yeah, almost a mithrix-exclusive item

aside from death mark

[hybrid vault]

it is also good for proccing death mark

[dull ingot]

yea i think im gonna go to, prob gonna play a game or 2 and go to bed, thank you guys for the help and talk, you guys are really nice. bye bye

[full gale]

Anytime man and also gn from me

[deep pecan]

if enemy speed scaled instead of just health and damage then chronobauble could be great

[hybrid vault]

no problem my guy. see you at some point in the future

[full gale]

😴 🛏️

[deep pecan]

hopefully someone mods that in some day, or I might just give up on waiting and try to do it myself

[tall relic]

whats the item that creates a zipline wormhole? cant remember

[hybrid vault]

eccentric vase

or as some like to call it, eccentric based

[tall relic]

awww its equipment. rip

[swift badge]

Only problem I see with that is enemies being too fast at higher levels, making it required

So you end up with a Mithrix situation where it's a mobility check