gd2-nullified

[wispy shore]

Any tips for when I attempt that challenge?

[solar nimbus]

ill be honest, i just cleaned my inventory with a scrapper in stage 5

i avoided pickign up a planula. mercurial rachis was super handy in place oh shaped glass

[high torrent]

don't take bands, dots (might take bleed tho), on-hits

invest in pure damage, go for drizzle

[solar nimbus]

yeah. basically anything like atgs or things that deal damage when im not shooting i avoided

with the exception of a tesla coil, which nearly screwed me at the end

[high torrent]

first you need to damage mithrix enough to get microbots back

[solar nimbus]

we do monsoon challenges here :>

[high torrent]

also dio's is a good choice if you'll manage to get it back from mithrix

[lapis cosmos]

Kjaros is fine from my experience but runald’s is not

[high torrent]

if you miss with first two drops, you can die and respawn with new ones

[lapis cosmos]

Kjaros does not steal desperado at least

[high torrent]

interesting, i was thinking the other way

[solar nimbus]

are you sure you dont mean the other way around? fire deals more damage and its over time

[high torrent]

cuz like, kjaro damages over time

[lapis cosmos]

When I use desperado it always goes through if it would kill the enemy anyway

I think we’re misunderstanding

[solar nimbus]

yeah kills wih runalds dont count

but neither do kills with kjaros
maybe just dont grab bands lmao

[lapis cosmos]

But if it would kill anyway, it should register before kjaros ticks, although it is useful to know on bandit though

[high torrent]

this is why i use bandit_tweaks by moff, hehe

[solar nimbus]

kind of irrelevent to the challenge tbh, since you get one chance

[lapis cosmos]

Honestly I take bands on bandit no matter what, even with runalds there are ways to burn the cooldown

[solar nimbus]

also lights out > desperado fight me

[lapis cosmos]

Meh

[high torrent]

takes a heavy bat

[wispy shore]

Hmmmm.. so shaped glass, crit glasses, syringes, and royal capacitor?

[lapis cosmos]

Desperado is infinitely more fun

[dull ingot]

mfw i play with lights out

on fully unlocked bandit

[merry karma]

i cant fight that

[high torrent]

mfw i go for all alts, because da feeeel

[lapis cosmos]

I think desperado is a lot better for eclipse/6mm

[solar nimbus]

desperado is really good early on, but later the damage tails off so poorly that id rather just be invisible more often

[lapis cosmos]

And I don’t like taking long runs into account for balance

[solar nimbus]

even by stage 5 it takes an insane amount of time and effort to train up desperado hat its just not worth it

[high torrent]

insane?

10 kills to just make it twice as good

there's enough trash mobs

[lapis cosmos]

Consider the fact that lights out is objectively worse than desperado on mithrix

[high torrent]

and 10 kills is just 40 sec at minimum

[solar nimbus]

10 kills to make it 7/6ths as good?

[lapis cosmos]

And mithrix is one of the most important parts of 6mm/eclipse

[solar nimbus]

is the buff multiplicative or linear?

[high torrent]

what?

with ten kills it's 1200%

[solar nimbus]

oh right. I thought that tokens added a linear 10% buff
so 10 kills is 700%

that makes it seem a little better
and im not gonna deny that it is incredible with purity, since halving the cooldown makes it actually practical to use

[high torrent]

with purity you might as well rebind it to m1 lol

[solar nimbus]

in tht case yes its good
but other than that, i think you're sacrificing a good deal of survivability that bandit desperately needs for more attack power, which he decisively doesnt
a glassier cannon i guess

[high torrent]

i dunno, never had problems with cooldowns

and i have the most 6mm wins on bandit now, solely using all alt loadout

[lapis cosmos]

I much prefer shotgun and default secondary

[solar nimbus]

the alt primary is a s s lmao

[high torrent]

they are stronger

[lapis cosmos]

Better for mithrix

[high torrent]

this is why i use alts

bandit is absolutely unbalanced

[solar nimbus]

uhh
unbalanced which way, can i ask

[lapis cosmos]

Shotgun + dagger is better for everything up to mithrix I would argue but rifle and shiv are waaaaaay better for the fight @high torrent

[high torrent]

yeah, i mostly focus on the mithrix fight

[lapis cosmos]

I find shotgun more fun

And it makes the fight more fun too imo

[solar nimbus]

not to mention it really is just better

[lapis cosmos]

Nah

It’s a side grade, what are you talking about

[solar nimbus]

as someone who would rather reloop / obliterate unless i couldnt
yeah

[high torrent]

i'm always having a blast of a fight as bandit
simply ultimate showdown, skills are so damn good for this 1v1 fight

[lapis cosmos]

Ok well you are comparing apples to oranges

[high torrent]

nah, i'm pooper, not a looper

[solar nimbus]

gimme those 13 coins yeeeee

[lapis cosmos]

Sometimes I like to go late game for fun, I’m on a run now with 4 clovers, 52 will o wisps, 25 gasoline, atg, ukulele, tonic, molten and charged perforator

[high torrent]

one day i found charged perforator printer on siren's call, where also was a cleansing pool

sadge i only had like two lunars

[lapis cosmos]

Is charged perf total damage

[high torrent]

it's total

[lapis cosmos]

If so it is objectively better atg

[high torrent]

and bands will proc for its total too

[lapis cosmos]

It has same proc coefficient, same proc rate, and more damage

[high torrent]

it's just
insane

what is most important, charged perfo can't miss

[solar nimbus]

i think its meant to be insane. its from an overloading worm lmao

[lapis cosmos]

The only thing atg does better is it can’t be as good aoe as atg

True unlike shatterspleen it has a reason to be that good

[solar nimbus]

shatterspleen is just
obscenely overtuned

i have no idea why it is the way it is
but i love it

[lapis cosmos]

it has 2 good effects

Even if it was just the explosion it would be useful

Certainly one of the better boss items

[solar nimbus]

i recently learned that it applies bleed seperate to daggers
so you can have 100% to bleed twice
which is

[lapis cosmos]

Yeah

[solar nimbus]

its the single best imo. nothing else comes close. charged perforator and empathy cores are second and third but shatterspleen transcends both of them

[lapis cosmos]

No I mean it would be one of the better boss items with just the explosion

Also why empathy cores

[solar nimbus]

have you seen those things scale

i watched them tear mithrix to shreds theyre insane

[lapis cosmos]

No, I haven’t really looked into it

[high torrent]

^^^
just scary

[lapis cosmos]

Do they scale differently from other ai

[solar nimbus]

even with just a few turrets theyre incredible

they scale with how many allies you have

[high torrent]

they get +100% damage for each entity on your team

[solar nimbus]

also theyre adorable
which helps

[lapis cosmos]

Interesting command build idea

Captain and take as many drones as possible

[solar nimbus]

you cant really build around them with command honestly, you just need to hog drones

[lapis cosmos]

And stack attack speed so they never die

[solar nimbus]

works with engie too, sicne you basically always have two friends whatever happens

[lapis cosmos]

So cores new best ai item

[solar nimbus]

easily

it wasnt was it :p

[lapis cosmos]

Better than mask?

[solar nimbus]

uhhhhh hell yeah
synergises with mask tho

[lapis cosmos]

Oh god

Fuckin squid polyp, back up

[solar nimbus]

for real

[lapis cosmos]

That item sounds super sick actually

Now that I think about it

Does it scale with co op too

[high torrent]

it does

[lapis cosmos]

Ok this sounds ridiculous

[solar nimbus]

worth a note that multiple stacks increase the buff they get from friends, and not the number of cores
but! if you're playign with a friend, and you both have an empathy cores each, they get perma buffs from each other

[lapis cosmos]

I would have never thought it was that good

[solar nimbus]

me too, i was pleasantly surprised

[lapis cosmos]

Charged perforator may be better than spleen because by the time you get it you probably have really good proc chains already

Unless you use a bunch of mountain shrines on stage 4 or 5

[solar nimbus]

dont you mean the other way around? perforator is really good if you find a printer, but not as much higher up
like planula

then again
more procs is more lightning

[lapis cosmos]

Charged perforator is probably my favorite boss item

But I really like molten too

[solar nimbus]

molten is a lot of fun for the aoe

and i thought that the balls did 300% damage in total so i was like "oh its an atg"
but no

[lapis cosmos]

I like to joke that molten is just 3 atgs to piss people off

[solar nimbus]

icy perforator from the glacial worm when

[high torrent]

blazing magma worm when

or maybe even
regular worm???

[solar nimbus]

worm

[lapis cosmos]

There should be a boss item for horde of many

Imagine like a fleshy normal-ass worm

Ew

Or maybe it’s the pink one from spongebob

[high torrent]

wake of vultures

[lapis cosmos]

I saw that suggestion once to make that a horde boss items

[high torrent]

brilliant one

[lapis cosmos]

Have the elite aspects be the boss items

[solar nimbus]

Manyfruit:

Gain an AI ally character copy that inherits your items at the time when you pick up the Manyfruit, Respawns 30 seconds after dying.

basically a friendly umbra

[lapis cosmos]

That seems a bit insane

[solar nimbus]

wake of vultures would be good, but thats artificial and gold items are the only ones that come from the planet

maybe you have a chance to get the essence of whatever elite it is?

[lapis cosmos]

That’s what I said

Elite aspect drops

[solar nimbus]

so you did

[lapis cosmos]

Can there be a horde of many that isn’t an elite

[solar nimbus]

scavengers

[lapis cosmos]

I don’t think so

Oh, right

[solar nimbus]

actualy no that was changed

[lapis cosmos]

Scav boss item?

[solar nimbus]

it used to be "Scavenger: Item Hoarder" or "Scavenger: Hoarde of Many" depending on how far you got

i assume now that they have proper elites that that will change

[lapis cosmos]

Chance upon competing tp for sack to drop items

[solar nimbus]

the sack is the boss item lmao dont be greedy

[lapis cosmos]

But you only get one per stage!!!!!!!!111

[solar nimbus]

theyre insane as is

[lapis cosmos]

More sacks

[solar nimbus]

what is it, liek 10 chest's worth of items?

[lapis cosmos]

I want more sacks

[solar nimbus]

dont we all -w-

the game heard us talking what is this timing

[lapis cosmos]

Do you have any yellows @solar nimbus

[solar nimbus]

no ;-;

[lapis cosmos]

Done tp yet?

[solar nimbus]

not yet, theres still hope

but like
if i get a yellow its probably gonna be shatterspleen and im keeping that :p

[solar nimbus]

pog

[high shoal]

👀

[solar nimbus]

died in stage 5 lmao

i got to enjoy brainstalks on acrid for only a little while

[proven lance]

Rip

[flint widget]

Trying to unlock commando mastery skin is pain

[proper tartan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/655050028171395072/838493435786559508/2021-05-02_20-31-35-8x-RIFE-RIFE24-160fps.mp4

[merry karma]

the gameplay

[primal glade]

why does loader need when its loader

[jolly zephyr]

Lodr

Why not

[slender sigil]

TI-82 graphing calculator

[wispy shore]

@primal glade bet stacking jade elephant is pretty op. Especially with gesture and a few fuel cells.

Got in a long monsoon run with huntress, got slapped by malachite and was totally fine.

[karmic cypress]

elder lemerian is my favorite enemy

[lapis cosmos]

most broken run of all time

[slender sigil]

anyone else feel like the category chests (damage/healing/utility) very rarely drop red items

is that intentional

[fading spoke]

haha, me too

[wispy shore]

Wow acrids bite is actually not bad

Tough to use on vanilla... but very effective

[lapis cosmos]

slayer is a crazy attribute

it does a lot of damage

[wispy shore]

It really does... and helps your regen a good bit...

@lapis cosmos would poison or blight be better on acrid? With a melee build

[raven lichen]

acrids bite is very good. very nice with blight since blight tends to get better focus fire dps

[wispy shore]

Coolio, thx @raven lichen

[true wing]

i legit almost got the mastery achievement for loader but went through the teleporter instead of the celestial portal drat

legit idiot i am

[quiet swan]

rip

welp, you can always go for mithrix

[true wing]

i lost the run to him in phase 3 bout an hr ago, but ive learned my lesson

[quiet swan]

you have to kill him on monsoon eventually

though to be fair, you can just get carried for that

[true wing]

yeah i was close, just didnt dodge his pinwheel attack when he did it

[icy phoenix]

You mean the revolving doors... the cheesewheel... the washing machine... that one annoying attack in phase 3... the pinwheel... the apple slicer... the triangles.. the whatever else people call it

[true wing]

spinny sideways death bicycle

of doom

[icy phoenix]

That’s it, I’m calling it that now

[tulip nimbus]

Roulette

[true wing]

but also an unrelated note, the fire and ice bands help out so much when i finally got them for doing stuff

[icy phoenix]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they merged double bands at some point

I meant nerfed, but merging them into one red is another idea

[tulip nimbus]

Hm

[fading spoke]

Blue walls of death is what I call them

[hybrid vault]

big spinny is the official name, actually

[sonic sinew]

My last mastery unlock is with lodr any tips?

[fading spoke]

lmao

[keen wind]

Mastery like to get the new skin or that plus abilities?

[sonic sinew]

Just the skin I got all the abilities

[keen wind]

Just do what you do normally I guess?

You just got to Obliterate or murder Mithrix right?

I haven't touched RoR2 in a while but I mained Loader for quite a bit.

[wheat ingot]

i went for obliteration on loader, mithrix fight is kinda difficult without the right items

[keen wind]

Mithrix fight has always been chaos for me.

[wheat ingot]

tbh, the only mastery that ive gotten by beating mithrix is bandit

[keen wind]

Especially with the artifact that doubles enemy spawns.

[wheat ingot]

i just got captain mastery a minute ago

he's kinda cracked

i didn't have a single red item

[keen wind]

Never really played much captain.

[wheat ingot]

he's kinda fun

i still need to get diablo strike

from what i've heard, it's great to mess around with

[restive phoenix]

Okay

This may be a bit of a hot take but

Am i the only one who feels that Acrid is the more underwhelming of all the survivors?

Like yeah he's fun but

[severe chasm]

He has the 2nd best base kit DPS in the game

Barely behind loader

[restive phoenix]

Rly??

[high torrent]

yeah, acrid hits hard, but also is pretty vulnerable

especially with that strange spherical hitbox

you can't dodge lasers just by walking perpendicular

[gleaming trout]

I’m new here, what’s the general consensus on the wake of vultures item? I feel like it’s pretty meme-y especially out of the read items

[quartz saffron]

killing overloading enemies can sometimes mess you up if you have wov

[gleaming trout]

Exactly, half my health disappearing is generally unwelcome

[severe chasm]

Blight is super underrated when it comes to DPS

Actually better than poison 99% of the time in 6MM

[restive phoenix]

Well rn im not using blight due to getting the fuckin achievement for him

its stupid how blight doesn't count towards getting the "apply poison 1000 times" or whatever

[mossy plover]

yep, gotta love the puppy boi

who has a severe lack of fast damage

[tepid wolf]

I mean acrid's very powerful still

Poison is basically a win condition vs Mithrix by itself

Also melee acrid deals tons of damage, but requires some finesse to use

[rose lagoon]

got my second monsoon obliteration today, captain! (first was rex)

[fading spoke]

I have engi and merc

[rose lagoon]

merc is like the hardest, wow

[fading spoke]

The strat is called razorwire abuse

[rose lagoon]

I've gotten real close as engi, huntress and loader

[fading spoke]

I did use 3 artifacts tho

[rose lagoon]

I'm interested

I use command.

Command + monsoon is a really satisfying combination, just the difficulty curve I want

[fading spoke]

I just stacked a bunch of razorwires and got helfire as my equipment

Also engi was just bungus

[rose lagoon]

The mines
The turrets
T H E B U N G U S

ENGINEER

[blazing palm]

Big Bungus

[weak epoch]

i got a run with 2 WoV drops and a WoV cauldron the other day

[solar nimbus]

what

[quartz saffron]

was the first from also a large chest?

[solar nimbus]

nope, utility

[blazing palm]

So, I'm new into the game, and vagrants basically end me\

[fallow depot]

kill em fast enough or find a wall to go behind when it does the big explosion near low health

[blazing palm]

Yeah

I had a good run

[fallow depot]

ideally the teleporter has some sort of weird shape to quickly duck behind near it

[solar nimbus]

just gotta break line of sight, or go all in to kill them

[quartz saffron]

break line of sight when they explode, hide behind some cover, even the tp's arches are enough

[fallow depot]

you dont need to get out of the sphere, just get cover from the vagrant itself

[solar nimbus]

although i find the teleporter super unreliable and tricky. if i see a vagrant or stone titan spawn the first thing i do is look at where i can find cover

[fallow depot]

when you get used to vagrants, they're not that bad.
except when tp is in a garbage spot

[quartz saffron]

titans are easy, go right under them, they won't use their laser

[final turtle]

Or obliterate it from existence with dual nailguns 🙂

[quartz saffron]

and if they do, just run around them

[fallow depot]

stone titans result in my death more than vagrants tbh

[blazing palm]

I have a funny story about stone titans too.

[fallow depot]

freaking triple blink huntress can barely outrun a laser if you're far away

[solar nimbus]

as huntress
yeah that checks out, her health pool gets melted pretty quick

[fallow depot]

yeah. but huntress is fun so im willing to sacrifice health for fun

[blazing palm]

I did a challenge of the mountain

Three stone titans

[solar nimbus]

and elite stone titan lasers are lethal, even when you get far enough to see elite titans

[fallow depot]

oh ahah nice

[blazing palm]

They destroyed me.

[fallow depot]

i like to always hit mountain shrines if i can

stage 1 especially, since theres not much to lose. like maybe 5 minutes of playtime and 4 items to lose

but adrenaline and an extra item to gain :)

unless its beetle no extra adrenaline there

[solar nimbus]

i usually hit shrines depending on how good im feeling ad my single-target damage. i dont hit them if im just scraping by and want the run to end for coins

[final turtle]

Beetle Queen isn't that bad, you just have to keep some (social) distance from it and keep moving.

[fallow depot]

beetle queen feels like a training dummy that summons beetle guards

[solar nimbus]

beetle queen is a pushover right up until you think thats she's a pushover and you get shotgunned for twice your health

[fallow depot]

exactly

[solar nimbus]

alternatively, right up until you turn around and theres 8 beetle guards beating on you

[fallow depot]

when i first played anniversary update i died like twice to beetle guards and questioned if they got buffed lmao

like "dang did their attack always do that much" i just had my guard down lmao

[icy phoenix]

You always hit mountain shrines, especially if it’s stage 10 and you hit 5 mountain shrines causing at least 4 overloading worms to spawn killing your whole team but one person but they persevere and kill the bosses meaning you get around 32 items all for yourself. (This is a true story)

[solar nimbus]

...
then that one person gets ahead, starts carrying the rest and the game stops beign fun for everyone but them
.-.

this is why if i ever play with friends its always with artifact of death

[icy phoenix]

We decided to end the run after I did void fields for 20 minutes while they just sat and watched

[solar nimbus]

cus if you die, youre going to keep dying because thats how the game is designed

[fallow depot]

i wish there was a nicer solution to that, it really is sad how if one person dies 2 times, they just cant come back to being able to live anymore. like them missing one stage can be fine usually, especially on 2 player, but... missing 2 stages? it's kinda hard to get them able to not die repeatedly

[solar nimbus]

the solution is death
:p

cus then i get a really strong feeling to empower my teammate(s), too

[fallow depot]

weirdly, there was one run i had with a friend where we were trying obliteration, i was trying rex and was not great at rex, and despite me dying like 4 times, suddenly i carried on stage 8?

i die for dumb reasons after getting all the items on a stage anyways, wouldn't want my friend to die too bc of that

with a less skilled friend death actually sounds like a good solution

[merry karma]

yes

[lapis cosmos]

If you get all of them you get an atg missile launcher

[solar nimbus]

i cannot get them all

[lapis cosmos]

I know

Did you know molten perforator is just 3 ATGs

[fallow depot]

mildly inaccurate ATGs (but they're fiery and epic)

[lapis cosmos]

It’s a joke I say

[fallow depot]

did you know empathy core is just a friend

[lapis cosmos]

Charged perforator is literally 1.666 atgs

And that is not a joke this time

[fallow depot]

and his worm was electric...

[lapis cosmos]

Except it can proc atgs and get procd by atgs

And never misses

[fallow depot]

i actually havent used charged perforator yet. never see overloading worms, let alone get the item

[lapis cosmos]

It is insane

[fallow depot]

ive seen a friend with it

seemed kinda nuts

[lapis cosmos]

If you can get a charged perforator printer early on it is nasty

Now which is better

[fallow depot]

empathy cores

[lapis cosmos]

I underestimated cores a lot

But now I realize they are super powerful for short runs

By far the best AI item

Even better than happiest mask because it helps with mithrix

[fallow depot]

yeah mithrix just tries to hit them and like cant

[hallow slate]

Nair flipkick dead at 30

[unreal sundial]

Who the hell is steve jobs?

[summer terrace]

the former ceo of apple

[merry karma]

@summer terrace do you have your pfp without da gun

[summer terrace]

there's the original pic

[solar nimbus]

di out

[hallow slate]

You di boost kick up and out

If you didn't know

[solar nimbus]

well you wanna sdi out first and then di out
yes i played competitively lmao

zss
good meme

[gleaming trout]

i got 2 scrapped them then got a third and was pretty sad

[dull ingot]

tried eclipse with captain, tried to get infinite tonic, got no but was blessed with a cell printer on the loop

it was fun clicking q time to time ngl

also smashed mithrix with diablo on the 1 and 4 phase, damn it looked satisfying

big vurm

[sonic sinew]

Ladies and germs the only steam achievements left for me are collecting all the artifacts

[solar nimbus]

you get bonus points for not looking up the code

[sonic sinew]

I did half of the mastery achievements with artifact of command I'm not here for brownie points

[glass plinth]

What I did instead was I marked down the artifact I found whenever I found an artifact code somewhere in the world

I only actually found like 8 of em though, and I’m at nearly 300 in game hours so,

[solar nimbus]

yeah that is what you're supposed to do :p

[modest jewel]

charge perf is one of the most powerful uniques in terms of dps

But overloading worms don't show up till sky meadow so if you do one loop runs it's probably pretty rare to get

[glass plinth]

Well I googled the rest so I dunno about that

[glass plinth]

Or you find a printer for em, which isn’t as hard as it sounds

At the same time, you’re (probably) doing something wrong if an overloading worm spawns in the first loop

I forget, how many mountain shines would you need to hit to get an overloading worm to spawn loop one on sky meadows?

Assuming you’re starting the tele at say half an hour

[slender sigil]

@summer terrace

<@&559786374228738069>

funny guy

hope you find something better to do in your life.

[sonic sinew]

People really acting a fool on the internet huh

[tranquil ridge]

Sanji➰#4964 was banned

[raven lichen]

yikes

[sonic sinew]

Woot

[slender sigil]

jesus christ

[icy phoenix]

They can also spawn on abyssal depths loop 1 if you’re (un)lucky

[jovial wing]

Maybe this got patched out, since this is my first time trying this. I glitched into the abandoned aqueduct locked gate but there is nothing inside? Where are the 2 bosses?

[quiet swan]

you might need to activate the pressure plates to get them to spawn

[icy phoenix]

Yeah, they fixed that a while ago, you gotta do it legit now, no cheating 😎

[tawny plaza]

3 mountain shrines if you are on abyssal depths
1-2 if Sky Meadows

[turbid phoenix]

Ok why are all the percentage signs in my player profile question marks instead?

is it a bug? Is it as designed?

[lapis cosmos]

The profiles are super bugged right now as a whole @turbid phoenix

Honestly it’s kind of comical

[nova sinew]

How do i get bandit, switch btw

[high torrent]

you wait

[nova sinew]

I got the huntress mult and acrid

[high torrent]

update with bandit will come out later this year for consoles

[nova sinew]

Oh ok

[tepid wolf]

Yeah the console port dev team usually takes a while to do it

Since the game really wasn't built around both PC and console

[nova sinew]

Its probly realy hard to do

[tepid wolf]

Although console being fixed would be nice since there are heaps of bugs

[nova sinew]

Yeah...

Its funny tho

[tepid wolf]

But yeah Hopoo games is not the one working on the console version

[nova sinew]

Isnit gear box?

[tepid wolf]

A team from them started doing so recently

[nova sinew]

Is gear box a publisher like penguine books?

[tepid wolf]

Yes gearbox is the publisher

[nova sinew]

Ah ok

[tepid wolf]

PlayEveryWare was responsible for the console until recently

[nova sinew]

What have they made recently

[tepid wolf]

Oh there's not the games part my bad, I haven't heard about those guys myself

[nova sinew]

They have 2.games

Ror2 and elliot quest

[tepid wolf]

Well for ROR2 it's the port yeah

[nova sinew]

Plant guy is hard to get

Ye

[tepid wolf]

Use the lunar seer in the shop to get abyssal depths

[nova sinew]

Wtf is that

[tepid wolf]

The things in the lunar shop that show the small images of the stages

You can pay 3 lunar coins to get that stage guaranteed

[nova sinew]

The dreams?

[tepid wolf]

Yep

[nova sinew]

Oh cool

I just thought it would play some cutseen of it

[tepid wolf]

Well it won't be guaranteed if you go to the void

[nova sinew]

How do u get out of newts shop

I cant kill him

|| yet ||

[tepid wolf]

Use the portal you came in from

[quartz saffron]

alternatively take the void portal

[worn nest]

void portal is the option I pick the most

Free stuff.

[ember crystal]

lmao i just got a seed with only printers in the first stage

[rose lagoon]

guys I got my third monsoon obliteration today, huntress!

[quartz saffron]

huntress gaming

[rose lagoon]

thicc 😳

Huntress has a really cool skin.

My first two were captain and rex

[quartz saffron]

8 to go

[rose lagoon]

I'm not looking forward to doing acrid, bandit and mercenary

Those are scary

[quartz saffron]

acrid is one of the easiest to play, bandit is good enough

using merc vs mithrix can be annoying, tho

[rose lagoon]

Acrid has a weird playstyle in my opinion. The ranged vs. meelee especially.

Is visions of heresy a good idea on acrid?

[zealous grove]

yeah

[rose lagoon]

Then I'll pick it up once I decide to play him

[fading spoke]

do obliteration for merc
any melee survivor vs Mithrix is scary (except loader because it's loader)

[full magnet]

Only acrid is scary really

Acrid just can't fight Mithrix in general without poison

[icy phoenix]

With poison he shreds though

[full magnet]

Yeah with poison just sit and spam r

[full magnet]

Merc isn't that bad

As long as you take evis

[rose lagoon]

evis?

[hybrid vault]

ew evis

[tired axle]

oh no

[rose lagoon]

what is evis

[hybrid vault]

eviscerate (evis) is worse than slicing winds (sw)

[rose lagoon]

Btw I just got to the boss on stage 8 monsoon as commando, can I have some f's

[tired axle]

f

[hybrid vault]

f'

[merry karma]

f↗

[sonic sinew]

Grr I hate perfected lunar wisps

Ruined a perfectly serviceable run because two of them crossfired me

[full magnet]

You can also do it with sw but you shouldn't

Evis for 6mm or long runs, sw for obliteration runs

[hybrid vault]

no

[full magnet]

Although I just take evis all the time, sw isn't that bad

[hybrid vault]

evis is easier to use

[full magnet]

Evis lets you skip the final stage

[hybrid vault]

and it is viable with FA

[tired axle]

i mean, sw is just always better if you actually learn how to dodge without relying on iframes

[hybrid vault]

but sw can be used with either utility

[full magnet]

Evis lets you get more items early on also

[hybrid vault]

and it has a substantially higher dps than evis

[full magnet]

And going fast = less scaling

[tired axle]

oh no, not this again

[full magnet]

Sw might be better for eclipse

[hybrid vault]

well, it'll take longer to kill things

[full magnet]

The only problem it has is killing bosses

But you should still be able to kill them within 1 minute 30 sec unless it's eclipse

I still take evis in eclipse because perma damage and also getting more items kinda balances out the scaling

[full magnet]

Not really, stages 1 and 2 you're spawn killing everything anyways

Until the tp event but then it doesn't really matter how long you kill things as long as you can kill the boss before tp charges

[hybrid vault]

sw is so important for comboes

[full magnet]

I just like items sir

[hybrid vault]

expose is a very powerful ability

evis doesn't even give you much more speed

[full magnet]

Yeah that gets completely cucked in multiplayer

It gives you much more

And lets you skip final stage

It's about the verticality really

[hybrid vault]

multiplayer isn't taken into account for what's good or not

[hybrid vault]

merc can skip final stage without evis

[full magnet]

I don't think the damage is worth it especially since you make it up with more items and i frames

[hybrid vault]

you just might need a few items

[full magnet]

Or... take evis

Items carry your run

Even with sw the damage falls off

[full magnet]

Getting tons of item in the early stages makes your run

[hybrid vault]

you will still get tons of items with sw

[full magnet]

All the item effects you'll be getting is worth trading damage for

[tired axle]

you won't get more items cause you're using evis, you move through the map slightly faster but you won't immediatly have the money to actually buy the chests

[full magnet]

Not nearly as much

[full magnet]

You can move through vertical terrain way better

[hybrid vault]

no, it will be about as much

[hybrid vault]

trimping exists

[full magnet]

I guess it's just my playstyle

[hybrid vault]

and you don't need evis for that

[tired axle]

when do you ever need 2 dashes for that

[full magnet]

I get a lot more items with evis

[hybrid vault]

that's a you thing

[full magnet]

Seriously so many items, more than hacking beacon

[dull ingot]

what this discussion about

[full magnet]

Evis v sw

[dull ingot]

and what is evis and sw

[full magnet]

Evicerate and slicing winds

[full magnet]

Dps really doesn't matter early on as long as you can kill the tp boss in time, what matters is your dps doesn't fall off

[tired axle]

and why would sw fall off?

[dull ingot]

i find evicerate better bc of the eyeframes

[hybrid vault]

iframes don't matter

[full magnet]

Sw doesn't fall off, but it doesn't rack up dps (items) as well as evis

[hybrid vault]

you're just wrong

[high torrent]

kek

[full magnet]

Evis just gives you so much more mobility, even if you get the same amount of items, you're still going faster with evis so monsters are weaker

[dull ingot]

@high torrent xP

[high torrent]

it is just one dash

[full magnet]

It adds up

[tired axle]

it doesn't

[full magnet]

Especially if you're good at planning when to get what chest

And when to leave

[high torrent]

and inability to do anything but stay in this awkward frame

if to talk about just personal experience, i played merc like, stupid lot, just with base skills, when my animeswordman obssession stopped, i discovered just how much less damage i was dealing comparing to anything else
switched to sw and merc feels like a proper character

stacking shaped glass and purity with evis is an interesting gamble tho

[dull ingot]

evis better

personally

[full magnet]

I have never had a damage problem with merc except for one unfortunate run I remember where I just got shit items

Also shaped glass is a good point, I don't really like taking purity though

[dull ingot]

i frames on an melee character are good

[full magnet]

To be fair the i frame from triple dash is enough though extra iframe is nice

Mithrix fight feels amazing with iframes

[dull ingot]

and especially the duration

[full magnet]

I really don't factor in the damage base characters do at all, as long as you get items you're never going to have a problem with damage

This used to be false but they added scrappers and printers and made getting items so much more consistent

Anything that helps you get items is great

Other than maybe the radio scanner

[hybrid vault]

you shouldn't have to rely on items to do good damage

[full magnet]

In the early game, yeah, but you don't have to, even huntress can scrape by

But just getting a tiny bit of items boost your damage by so much

It's a rogue like y'all

Runs where I'm getting items on a bad characters are 100% of the time better than runs with a great character with great damage but with few or bad items

(Lodr exception)

That's also why mobility is so good, it's almost more potential damage since you're getting to chests and getting out faster, so monsters have less health

I think people don't talk about the effect of the timer enough

https://tenor.com/view/he-is-speaking-guy-explaining-with-a-whiteboard-some-guy-explaining-gif-19593300

[icy phoenix]

Sw gives an expose proc that lets you use more abilities, a long range attack, higher damage, and more procs while evis gives iframes, lower damage, less procs, forces you in melee range, and a single extra dash

[full magnet]

A ranged attack is actually really nice

[whole lotus]

H

[winter island]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795082005322793021/822981840720756756/crowdfunder.gif

[dull ingot]

Ah yes 3 reds at stage 4

y'love to see it

HAHAHAH

this is pointless to me

[hybrid vault]

dude I fucking love aegis

[dull ingot]

its only really good on engi with bungus and rex tho

[hybrid vault]

not even

[dull ingot]

im better off scrapping it right now as i dont have much healing

[hybrid vault]

aegis is pointless

it's just a meme to say "dude I fucking love aegis"

[high torrent]

dude i fucking love henry

[dull ingot]

yeah i agree with you

hes fun to play, hes somewhat like nemmando but better?.

hitting things with your sword as nemmando stops you, it doesnt with henry

and cant forget stinger, that skill fucking rocks

[high torrent]

stinger is just "i dont believe in gravity"

with ancient scepter and greater warbanner he just becomes a bombardier and i absolutely love it

[dull ingot]

the rocket launcher is great and all but i like a bomb just a biiit more

what the fuck

5 reds, SERIOUSLY.

[high torrent]

procs letsss gooo

[dull ingot]

where were these fucking reds last run

[high torrent]

i never get reds lol

[dull ingot]

not an atg btw

totally

i totally dont have 2 atgs

oh and yeah ive never tried the pistol/fists/uzi are they any good?

[high torrent]

fists > sword imo

[merry karma]

just get lucky like me get 9 reds on 6mm

[high torrent]

just more dps, but less hitbox

uzi got changed from the last time, need to check

pistol is just reliable ranged option

[dull ingot]

uzi seems better than the desert eagle

[tulip nimbus]

On henry?

[dull ingot]

yeah

[tulip nimbus]

I seriously prefer the pistol

With even a single backup mag is really really good and uzi is useless with backup mag

[dull ingot]

Deagle is great for flying ranged enemies

[tulip nimbus]

Well keep in mind

[dull ingot]

but the uzi goes brrrr

[tulip nimbus]

Deagle is agile and uzi is not

You have to stop attacking to use uzi as well and you can m1 and pistol at same time

[dull ingot]

yeah but it shoots like alot

[tulip nimbus]

Kinda booty damage imo

It is fun tho

Probably a preference tho

[dull ingot]

deals as much as the pistol i think

[tulip nimbus]

Yea but like I said it's not agile and interuppts other attacks

[dull ingot]

both are 80% right

[tulip nimbus]

No no

Handgun is 420%

Wait are you comparing handgun m1 to uzi m2?

[merry karma]

nice

[dull ingot]

no im talking about the pistol

not the handgun

theres a M1 pistol

[tulip nimbus]

Oh lol the uzi is an m2 and the pistol is an m1

[dull ingot]

Pistols the small baby gun while handgun is a desert eagle

[tulip nimbus]

Yea there's a pistol m1 that deals 90 per shot and then the handgun m2 that deals 420% per shot

Uzi is an m2

[dull ingot]

yeah

[tulip nimbus]

So I mean if you wanted you could run pistol m1 and uzi m2

Ranged henry

[dull ingot]

oo

[tulip nimbus]

But I've done it and uzi is almost a close ranged weapon anyways

A lot of falloff and inaccurate past like 10m

[dull ingot]

its a submachine gun

[tulip nimbus]

Still fun tho

[dull ingot]

submachine guns excel at close range

[tulip nimbus]

Yea I mean it's what an uzi would do irl

But as far as gameplay goes

The pistol is really far shooting and then the uzi is closer

[dull ingot]

yeah

[tulip nimbus]

Fun char tho for sure he's my favorite

What utility and special do you use

[dull ingot]

shotgun

theres no point in roll

Shotgun bullies enemies super fucking hard and shotgun jumpings fun

[tulip nimbus]

Yoo I use Shotgun too

Its like rex shift

[dull ingot]

okay here me out here

[tulip nimbus]

A lot of people use roll tho makes me sad

[dull ingot]

would you rather have some insane fucking close range damage?, vertical + horizontal movement

or would you use the only horizontal roll

that doesnt go that far at all

[tulip nimbus]

Yea and if you're good at flicks you can use it for hozo momentum as well

[dull ingot]

which special do you use

[tulip nimbus]

And the roll really doesn't go that far yea lol

[dull ingot]

i prefer bomb/rocketlauncher

[tulip nimbus]

I'm a bomb elitist

[dull ingot]

that super sayian thing is just

[tulip nimbus]

I don't understand iy

[dull ingot]

what the fuck is happening and why is my screen purple

[tulip nimbus]

Yea

Can you only use it on bosses I don't even know

[dull ingot]

its visual effects are fucked for me

everything is purple and a purple cube appears when i attack

[tulip nimbus]

Lol yea it needs work

[dull ingot]

its just weak imo

takes a while to charge up

also the other specials have AOE, this one dont

[tulip nimbus]

Yea bomb is so satisfying

With gasoline too
Mwah

[dull ingot]

does the shrapnel deal damage

from the bombs and rockets

[tulip nimbus]

Nah I think its just an effect. Still has a big ass aoe tho

[dull ingot]

oh and another thing

how in the fuck do i unlock the sun for paladin

ive tried really hard to get it but i never get it

do i need a dios

and how can i uhh gauruntee grandparents spawning

[tulip nimbus]

Good question for modding, I know you have to "bear the full force of a sun" which is obviously grandparent but it might be buggy

2 mountain shrines on 5 is almost a guaranteed grandparent

And then past first loop they become world spawn

[dull ingot]

i have starstorm so mountain shrines dont work (-.-)

[tulip nimbus]

Starstorm does that?

[dull ingot]

Starstorm 2 has a bug where mountain shrines do not work in the way that they are supposed to

[tulip nimbus]

Damn

Cringe imo

[dull ingot]

rather than make the bosses bully you harder, they dont get any stat changes, just 1 boss

[fluid notch]

Damn

[dull ingot]

you still get your gaming loot

so they are just 1 more boss tiem

[fluid notch]

I see them first loop fairly often

[dull ingot]

also what does the mini sun do

that the grandparents cast

never been hit by one

[fluid notch]

The one that gets sent out?

That one acts sort of like

[dull ingot]

me want paladin sun skill how eat sun

[tulip nimbus]

As world spawn?

How long do you take to get to stage 5?

[icy phoenix]

It’s really common in multiplayer

[tulip nimbus]

Oh that makes sense

[fluid notch]

Yes

[tulip nimbus]

I figured he was playing singleplayer to get the Pali achievement

[dull ingot]

but if i play as paladin and i find a grandparent how do i actually "survive" its attack

dios?

[tulip nimbus]

No I don't think it would count that

#ror2-modding

Probably has some good strats

[icy phoenix]

Maybe it’s just stay in the solar flare for the whole duration

[fluid notch]

Bungus

[tulip nimbus]

Barrier would be my suggestion and stay in your heal

[dull ingot]

how long does it last for

[tulip nimbus]

A while

20 seconds maybe?

[icy phoenix]

14 seconds

[tulip nimbus]

14 seconds it says

[dull ingot]

how do i stage skip with the ror2 cheats mod

[tulip nimbus]

And he triggers it at half hp or lower btw

[dull ingot]

i dont wanna spend 30 minutes going to stage 5 for it to be blazing mini mushrums

[tulip nimbus]

Well if you skip stages you probably won't have a high enough credit count

So account for that as well

[fluid notch]

Ror2cheats is cringe
Use debug_toolkit

[tulip nimbus]

True use dbtk

[dull ingot]

no idea what that is

[fluid notch]

Cheating is cringe though

[tulip nimbus]

Cheating is acceptable if for mod unlock

[fluid notch]

No

[dull ingot]

ive done like, what now?, 9 runs to get this unlock

[tulip nimbus]

Yes >:)

[fluid notch]

It isn't

[tulip nimbus]

ok

[dull ingot]

i keep getting solus probes

like the big ones

and horde of many/woims

any good survivor mods that add playable versions of enemies like monstermash, but with complete skills?

[boreal thistle]

Clay Templar mod is p good I believe

Oh wait I'm like an hour late on that, oops

[high torrent]

first two m1 skills are really different from what it was before

but i havent checked him in a while

[solar nimbus]

okay i get it im sorry for relooping

[final turtle]

Ur ded lol get rekt.

[solar nimbus]

lmao

[final turtle]

What move did you die by?

[hybrid vault]

where are your items?

[slender sigil]

phase 3 i guess

[hybrid vault]

oh right

[solar nimbus]

nono stage 4.
you think i went to mithrix after 10 stages with just those items?

[solar nimbus]

i think it was crit+kjaro's that oneshot me

[solar nimbus]

one of the angry spheres came up behind me :<

[dull ingot]

nah your not late i saw that

2 tc 280s

him

[solar nimbus]

they

[lapis cosmos]

chunky flying boi!

[dull ingot]

with greed i got like 3 tc 280s on rallypoint one time

[dull ingot]

thanks

why does this at the top happen btw

[tulip nimbus]

Playing with mods?

[hybrid vault]

do you have starstorm?

[dull ingot]

i do

[hybrid vault]

chirr causes that bug

[dull ingot]

i dont have chirr

i litterally havnt fucked around with that beta thing at all

[hybrid vault]

huh

weird

[dull ingot]

i just played some sniperclassic and died and went back to the menu and that happened

[tulip nimbus]

Yea mod errors just kind of do what they want

It won't affect ganeplay tho

[sonic sinew]

If you aim right and manage you cooldowns mithrix can't do anything to rex lol

[dull ingot]

oh and heres a dumb idea i have that might work, tangling growth makes mithrix unable to move, captain can nuke shit, what if you could spam tangling growth and nuke him?

[tulip nimbus]

He would jump eventually

[dull ingot]

but what if he didnt

[tulip nimbus]

0.0

[solar nimbus]

this is actually busted tho cus stealthkit will keep you invis long enough for your health to rocket back up to max with slugs

[dull ingot]

i died 5 seconds after that

[merry karma]

rate this tierlist

[whole lotus]

gd1

[hollow dirge]

Amo ng us

[whole lotus]

dude i love tonic

[merry karma]

that's the woolie tierlist

[hollow dirge]

croefundr

[dull ingot]

I've had 4 before lol

[sonic sinew]

Purity could stand to be C tier I think

[dark arrow]

shaped glass is in c tier :(

[lapis cosmos]

it isnt

nvm it is

I thought he put tesla coil at A tho

[sonic sinew]

is NOT A tier

This tier list is on crack

[merry karma]

there's way too many wrong things to point out

[cinder tinsel]

How can I get to the new stage?

I think there's one

[slender sigil]

are you on console

nvm

the only stage that got majorly changed is commencement which is stage 6

[dark arrow]

there's also sundered grove, which isn't out on consoles yet

[cinder tinsel]

Oh ok thanks

[toxic saffron]

guys any idea as to how this dude called cabbage on youtube spawns on the prismatic trials with a tonic and i dont?

[dull ingot]

artifact of enigma, maybe?

[dark arrow]

if you're playing on console, then the prismatic trials are different than the ones on pc, which are the ones that cabbage does

and the pc ones probably have enigma

yeah the current one for pc does have enigma active

[toxic saffron]

oh dang, i guess im fked then

whats the best healing item to stack with commando if i dont have scythe?

[high torrent]

leeching seed mb

[vital quail]

I mean you dont many options in term of healing items in the game, either leeching, scythe, medkit, tooth or bungus, and only 2 of those are "on-hit" healing effects so yeah

[icy phoenix]

[tall relic]

is + good on mul-t considering the equipment switching?

running with double rebar btw

[final turtle]

Idk, you will most likely have to try it.

[dull ingot]

just get two tonics

[tall relic]

seems like a waste of coins

[fluid notch]

don't get two ronic

tonic + helfire

get that

[tall relic]

hmmmmm

[dull ingot]

I mean, would you rather have to spend 2 more coins, or lose half your health from using your single tonic so much

[sonic sinew]

Permatonic sounds fun but idk how people can have a run where they end with 20+ afflictions

[primal glade]

either forgot shared design or i just dont see it

also dagger should not belong in B tier

[fallow depot]

why are meat, fireworks, and warbanner in same tier as focus crystal and crowbar? other than that looks pretty nice. though give daisy some credit now for void

[primal glade]

even worse, why are crowdfunder and glass in the same tier?

[fallow depot]

well i wouldnt say thats worse but yeah

[hybrid vault]

that is the woolie tierlist

[zinc smelt]

found on woolies discord

[dull ingot]

pog
very high quality

[cold willow]

loader n leeching seeds = win

im literally blasting through the entire game

[dull ingot]

surprisingly, that's actually kind of a bad combo
how many syringes you got?

[cold willow]

about 10

[rose sequoia]

Why do people complain about portals being hard to find.

Literally 4 seconds to find it.

[cold willow]

noobs

lmao seven cells

[rose sequoia]

I figured since I'm just seeing how far I'll get through on easy, I'd just.

Not take it seriously. At all.

Oh.

Got one shot by a jellyfish instantly.

[fading spoke]

see: wetland aspects and scorched acres

[rose sequoia]

I got trolled.

[toxic saffron]

Is the aniversary update out on console?

[dull ingot]

no, not even close

[river merlin]

What just happened

[rose sequoia]

Gone.

[river merlin]

Yes

[toxic saffron]

Whats the latest update on console? Artifacts?

[river merlin]

I have no idea

[vital quail]

mfw acres tp is halfway into the wall under one of the bridge things and the item gets stuck in the wall/floor

[languid yarrow]

Launch update + a patch, I believe

[sonic sinew]

All the models for the artifacts are so delicious I kind of want to extract them all and put them in a little museum

[dull ingot]

I still don't completely understand what is supposed to be, but 👍

[glad spoke]

maybe it represents the increased weakness of the enemies

cuz of the holes in it

[exotic robin]

Just accept the Swiss cheese artifact

[dull ingot]

1.0

[rose lagoon]

me and the boys obliterating ourselves from existence

holy crap his skin is sick

everything is camo

[high torrent]

check this out

mod is dead tho rn😔

[rose lagoon]

damn that looks awesome.

[tepid wolf]

The vanilla alt engineer skin looks ok at best

The best part of it is changing the turret, M1 nade and mine colour schemes

[mossy garden]

and yet merc still cant have his red sword

[tepid wolf]

Imagine red ability effects

Although from what Bizzozeron said it's easier said than done

[mossy garden]

well yeah

[high torrent]

imagine changing icons with all skins

[mossy garden]

the sword model is probably the easiest but all of the particles probably need to be redone

[tepid wolf]

Yep

[mossy garden]

and a red sword with blue particles would look even dumber

lets just make the sword yellow

[dull lark]

red sword blue particles

[dull lark]

Then it'll just look like a piss sword

[mossy garden]

its a banana

[dull lark]

Banana gun

[weak epoch]

piss sword

[heady belfry]

is monster tooth necklace an actual useful item, because i usually scrap it if i get it but i really don't know.

[quartz saffron]

it's good early on if you don't have other healing items

[mossy garden]

its generally really good on Acrid and Loader

the rest is kinda whatever, i generally keep them until im past stage 10

[fluid notch]

Monster tooth is good

[mossy garden]

its after desk plant the best early healing imo

[quiet swan]

it can be good on engineer if enemies die close to the turrets. also in pretty sure drones can pick up the healing orbs and heal themselves too. plus its good if you have forgive me please, you can throw it in a corner and heal when you need to

[glacial ore]

Have any dates for console anniversary update been announced?

[quartz saffron]

nope

[glacial ore]

TERRRRIFIC

[zealous grove]

gd2 :/

[fluid notch]

Soon

[solar moth]

I just lost an artificer god run due to game crash : (

[cold willow]

big rip

[hardy plank]

gd2

[modern ether]

gd2

[dull ingot]

compromise

[cold willow]

has the sale ended

[fluid notch]

what

[heady belfry]

anyone know why I can't join my friends game, even though we can play fine alone

[tall relic]

god damnit there needs to be a confirmation window for giving your equipment to an equipment drone, especially if its a lunar item. this is the 3rd time i went to go activate something like a barrel that happens to be right ontop of an equipment drone and i end up giving my to it

[fluid notch]

git gud

[sonic sinew]

I can't believe you're getting the drones addicted to drugs

[rose sequoia]

Is there a reason to use the nail gun twice on MUL-T?

[fading spoke]

Power mode

[rose sequoia]

What is power mode.

[fading spoke]

Alt R

[rose sequoia]

What does alt r mean.

[fading spoke]

Alternate special

[rose sequoia]

What does it do.

[fading spoke]

You can wield both primaries

[rose sequoia]

Does that increase it's power?

[fading spoke]

And it also gives 100 armor but reduces move speed by 60%

[hybrid vault]

actually, it's only a 50% speed reduction, the description is wrong

although because of the way slows work, it only slows you by 1/3

[fading spoke]

oh

[vital quail]

It allows you to hold m1 and m2 and fire both nailguns at the same time

[gray relic]

Then you get the ability to melt things

[hazy ore]

@crystal lark

[dull ingot]

what if eclipse level 10 gave you a perfected mithrix that wasn't vertically challenged

[dull ingot]

Gd2 seems a lot more calmer then gd1

[unique bluff]

[dull ingot]

Might stay here for a bit

[solar nimbus]

jfc

too bad its on loader and basically useless

[quartz saffron]

get a missile launcher i guess?

[solar nimbus]

ok i got 2 now what

[quartz saffron]

the equipment, not atg

since that hits multiple times

[modern ether]

i was gunna say do the metamorphosis artifact portal but ur on eclipse lmao
probably a free white cauldron on the moon then lul

[solar nimbus]

yeah, and i might get captain 🤢

[fluid notch]

[solar nimbus]

t r u e

tho crowdfunder struggles to be useful before the first loop and on eclipse 4 i need to think long and hard on if i wanna do that

[fluid notch]

No

And you can just get a brittle crown too

[tepid wolf]

Yeah one brittle crown means that it actually makes you money

Crowdfunder gets so much value from one or two items compared to every other equipment

[solar nimbus]

listen im all for crowdfunder past the first loop but if youre telling me i need to fiend for a specific lunar item to make it worthwhile ebfore then i dont wanna hear it

wait a minute-
why does mithrix appear twice in the stats menu? is stage 4 mithrix considered a different enemy to stages 1 and 3?

[high torrent]

seems to be true

[merry karma]

you dont

[full magnet]

Crowdfunder is pretty cool past first loop, but I'd still rather want capacitor because it synergizes with fuel cells and gesture

[tepid wolf]

But like you can fire it a lot by stage 4

It's also amazing for Mithrix since you can get so much money before going to Mithrix

Also a bunch of equipments need a gesture

Like a crowdfunder has as much DPS as a 90% CD reduction capacitor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV4cQaqi_y4&t=551s

Also it's stupidly easy to get a specific lunar item these days thanks to the rerolls mechanic (1-2 rerolls give you a very high chance)

[merry karma]

(i used up all my 2^31 lunar coins in one run )

[weak epoch]

you are a fool

[fluid notch]

You don't need brittle crown, but it's not a bad thing to have

[modern ether]

only thing i dont like with crowdfunder is how damn big it looks on commando etc
looks stupid lmao

[tepid wolf]

I mean predatory instincts also look really dumb on commando

It's so huge

[high torrent]

smolmando

[full magnet]

You actually want to get captain at least once so you get to keep his point defense drone on other characters

[solar nimbus]

still doing eclipse, and still hate captain :p
can you do the same artifact multiple times in one run?

[high torrent]

yes

[solar nimbus]

swish

ill keep that in mind

[quartz saffron]

captain eclipse runs were fairly easy for me

[solar nimbus]

hes not difficult just horribly unfun

[quartz saffron]

i personally don't find him unfun

[solar nimbus]

taste :p

[sonic sinew]

I like captain but I can see why he would be unfun

[solar nimbus]

its mainly the lack of movement and feeling of agency with whether i live or die

calling stuff from the ues safe travels is awesome and it makes captain a badass
its just not fun to play

[tepid wolf]

He's mostly just slow and half his kit can be ignored after a bit

[solar nimbus]

exactly

[tepid wolf]

His microbots do cover his slowness and then some though

[lavish ocean]

oh so this is where everyone is

[solar nimbus]

the shotgun doesnt feel fun to use either and i dotn feel like developing carpel tunnel

[sonic sinew]

His M2 is perfect for replacing with by stage 3 or 4

[tepid wolf]

Also the carpal tunnel from M1 with high attack speed

[solar nimbus]

again
pricey

[tepid wolf]

3 lunar coins in total

[solar nimbus]

if you find it

[tepid wolf]

Very pricey indeed

You have rerolls

[solar nimbus]

which adds another 3

[tepid wolf]

And you get 10 coins for killing Mithrix

[solar nimbus]

and thats an obliteration's worth of coins

[lavish ocean]

why not go for

[solar nimbus]

only if it doesnt take 10 to get to and kill mithrix in the first place

[tepid wolf]

Because lunar scavs need you to be on a god run

[tepid wolf]

You can easily do it without lunars

[lavish ocean]

i dont see how hard is it to do it in later stages

[tepid wolf]

Yeah a god run

[solar nimbus]

cus sometiems dont come up and the scavenger is a legitimate threat to a god run

[lavish ocean]

since youre basically an overpowered existence

[tepid wolf]

Also kipkip is ridicilous if you do it on stage 8

[hybrid vault]

kipkip my behated

[solar nimbus]

is kipkip the gentle? if so you just need to be conscious of