gd2-nullified

[hybrid vault]

But neither do the enemies

[full magnet]

i frames is way better than what rising thunder gives you

[severe chasm]

That's not fair. Evis does a good amount of damage

[merry karma]

#gd1-nullified message

[hybrid vault]

Evis is fine, but I am a slicing winds defender

[full magnet]

I like all of merc's skills except rising thunder

[hybrid vault]

Evis is fine with focused assault

[full magnet]

I like slicing winds but you have to take the default shift if you run it and the default shift is kinda cringe

Yeah I run forced assult and evis

[hybrid vault]

Sw can be used with either utility

[severe chasm]

I think it is definitely better with default because you can cancel it

[hybrid vault]

I wish rising thunder had something to compete with whirlwind

[hybrid vault]

Probably yeah

[full magnet]

Whirlwind literally lets you skip the final stage

[severe chasm]

Make it so you can cancel the endlag

Then it would be more DPS

[hybrid vault]

I would use focused if I could cancel it

[severe chasm]

I mean for Rising thunder

[hybrid vault]

Oh

[severe chasm]

My main issue with thunder is that you get stuck in endlag

[hybrid vault]

But how would you cancel rising thunder?

Reliably

[full magnet]

You can cancel dash with whirlwind too

[severe chasm]

M1 or another skill after a certain amount of frames

[full magnet]

It used to be that rising thunder is the best band proc but now they added forced assult so rising thunder is trash now

[lapis cosmos]

WW is such a versatile move

[severe chasm]

It's so fuuuuuunnnnn

Trimping with it is so sick

One of the reasons I love getting as merc

[hybrid vault]

Whirlwind is how I learned about trimping

I think I trimped off of a cell vent

[severe chasm]

mercI flflipped out when I first trumped with it

Think it was on plains

[full magnet]

What's trimping

The momentum glich?

[severe chasm]

Where you fly off of a slant with an ability

[severe chasm]

Yep

[full magnet]

Oh Tony Hawking

[hybrid vault]

Okay so you know when you whirlwind into a slope and go flying?

[full magnet]

Yeah that lets you skip the final stage

[severe chasm]

Lmao that's what you call it. That's sick

[full magnet]

I heard people called it Tony Hawking so

[severe chasm]

TF2 apparently has a similar mechanic so most people just call it trimping

[full magnet]

I like my name better

[severe chasm]

Then keep using it gamer

[merry karma]

smallHop

[tepid wolf]

Yep trimping is kinda similar in tf2

[severe chasm]

Apparently

[tepid wolf]

Basically during a charge since you are going really fast you essentially become really slippery

[lapis cosmos]

why isn't grandpa's boss item something to do with his sun thing

passive tincture

[pallid arrow]

good eclipse run ruined by brass contraption with runald's

couldnt even make it to the null portal

[echo dagger]

Void Fields pain

[gray gazelle]

We really got the 300 hour acrid connoisseurs ova hea huh 😳

[frank meteor]

I got this game a hot few days ago and am a lttle overwhelmed by it lmao

[shy vale]

have fun

[vague jasper]

I was having a long run and I had Spinel Tonic on loop when I activated a shrine of order for fun and had no gestures o-o I had 6714 debuffs and I used my mercenary teleport and got stuck in the tuck position and can't move. But I can't take damage either bc when in mercenary's shift, you take no damage.

[warped crater]

lol

[vague jasper]

I'm still stuck XD

[warped crater]

xd

[tawny plaza]

Rip

[lapis cosmos]

This game is horrible at explaining things to new people

[frank meteor]

Kinda yeah. At some point I'd wanna do a co-op with someone to get a hand of it better

[lapis cosmos]

and one of the content creators who does the most guides spreads quite a bit of misinformation

[frank meteor]

Oh?

[lapis cosmos]

I mean his opinions are very... black and white

But I still think they are good for just explaining parts of the game like proc chains

[frank meteor]

Who is the creator?

[lapis cosmos]

His name is Woolie

[frank meteor]

Ohh ok thank

[left ruin]

hmm the picture didnt load right lol

anyone else think this? because its how i feel when i peek into both chats everyday

[next bramble]

Very true

Discussion 1 is chaos most of the time

[cosmic maple]

game-discussion-1 is fun

that's where people emphasize that you should do whatever you have the most fun with regardless of how good or bad it is, unless they think it's bad in which case you should do what they do

I ended up in a probably 10+ minute argument about grenade being better than suppressive fire because I tried to explain why I personally prefer suppressive fire, even though I acknowledged grenade is also fine and probably compliments commando's kit better if you can figure out how to use it

[left ruin]

ruin best commando special XD but yeah i like suppressive fire better myself because the way the damn grenades bounce and roll

[frank meteor]

Lmao I need to play the game with someone

Only probs is no one is doing casual games that I have seen guess that's the bad thing about joining a popular game

[silk nova]

Hi everyone,

I'm a bit proud of this achievement so I wanted to share it with you, especially as people here have given me some good advice on how to achieve it. When they weren't carrying me on their shoulders. So, thank you !

[next bramble]

Congrats

[rose sequoia]

I'm saddened.

[high torrent]

nice

[sour pecan]

Does anyone else have a bug where all artifacts doesnt spawn any enemies? not even in the teleportal event?

[raven lichen]

dissonance is currently broken and spawns nothing iirc

You can turn that one off if you want to actually play aha

[dull kindle]

So until dissonance is fixed
That means
HEY, EVERYONE WHO'S BAD AT THE GAME AND HAS DISSONANCE
THE LONG ROAD, INCORRUPTABLE, SWING BY, REDACTED, LITERALLY ALL MASTERIES, AND LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE THAT REQUIRES REACHING HIGH LEVELS FAST ARE BASSICALLY FREE
Unless ur bad and don't have dissonance
Then ur screwed

[somber rock]

At that point you might as well use the cheat mod to get all achievements.

[high torrent]

im really pissed i 100% the game totally legit, I wanna go wacky

[subtle palm]

feel like shit

just want ror2 meme channel back

[fluid notch]

Ok

[subtle palm]

i am unbelievably sad

[dull kindle]

memes prolly isn't coming back

[merry karma]

there's a ror2 memes server

[gray relic]

I wish they kept the part thunder gauntlet where it would just bounce you to the moon, that was fun

[lapis cosmos]

I mean it’s not particularly amazing at that either

Also I hate grenades too but I take it because it does something

Honestly bump up the damage on Supp quite a bit and give the old grenades back and I could see taking either

[cosmic maple]

grenade gang is after me boys

[lapis cosmos]

Nah I get it

Grenades suck

And supp is fun

[cosmic maple]

I don't event think grenades suck, I just don't want to deal with figuring it out

commando is my brain off character

[lapis cosmos]

My brain off character is captain

I like mando

He’s fun because he’s simple

Speaking of weapons that shoot fast, nail gun feels so bad after using saw for a while

It’s fine against big targets

But anything not right in front of you is gonna take chip damage essentially

[shy zealot]

i also got in an argument because I said I prefer suppressive fire even though grenades are technically better in every way

[fallow depot]

i think this games a great game to just play however you want, its pretty fun and while some few things are like horrible such as squid polyp, everything seems viable and fun to me. sometimes people get too obsessed with tierlists and numbers

i mean sometimes they're just meming. though it does seem like some arguments die off, i used to see "artificer bad" like every time i entered the chat, and now people will defend arti a fair bit. the longest running argument ive seen is commandos special

[cosmic maple]

It's fine to think things are good or bad and fine to discuss it with other people, but if someone says they're doing something because it's fun and someone else tells them not to because it's not good then that's just unnecessary

[fallow depot]

noticed ever since like a week into april a lot of random rudeness against huntress and while a lot of it is meming, i still did get quite annoyed and it mostly drove me away from this discord, because it seems like any second i could get picked on for maining huntress :/

[cosmic maple]

Yeah I don't know what's up with the huntress hate lately

[fallow depot]

and then they're like "oh we just want to make sure you know"
okay why? and also you should know by now that i know, sure huntress dps is low i do not care, ive been told it like at least 20 times

why do i need to know? if im having fun playing my favorite character, thats what matters

[cosmic maple]

So many people are like "Huntress sucks you CANNOT think she's good her DPS is super low compared to everyone else" and like man I just want to blink around and shoot things

[fallow depot]

not gonna switch mains just to play a "better character" in a game i primarily see as a fun game. i mean ror2 is just nonsense at the end of the day

[waxen totem]

Flurry Huntress do be poppin' off.

[cosmic maple]

Throwing a glaive into a pack and watching a bunch of stuff die is fun, dodging constantly with phase blink is fun, blowing things up with ballista + bands and maybe a lucky missile proc is fun

[fallow depot]

and then i say i dont use ballista and people are like "oh my god you're even more insane"
and im like yeah i am

[waxen totem]

???
The Arrow Rain is a free slow and constant hit
Who WOULDN'T take it lol

[fallow depot]

i went through the challenge of unlocking it without artifacts, but i mean i dont use it because it sends me backwards and is harder to cancel out of imo. i think ballista is better for damage and bands, though.

[waxen totem]

Ballista may be high damage, but the barrage of arrows looks cool

[fallow depot]

i use arrow rain mostly not as an attack tbh

[visual magnet]

I just like ballista because I like proccing bands with it

[fallow depot]

but like i see it as very balanced and just up to preference, and some people just seem to get confused when something is balanced and up to preference!

like "what? one isnt BETTER?"

[cosmic maple]

to be fair there are a lot of cases where one is way better

[fallow depot]

yeah like rex

[cosmic maple]

but that shouldn't deter you from using one over the other if you like it a lot more

[fallow depot]

and a lot of things just depend on your playstyle!

[cosmic maple]

I'm in the ballista > arrow rain boat, but I'm not going to tell you how to have fun if it's working fine for you as is

[fallow depot]

like again, im sure a lot of people dont care about ballista sending them back, im sure a lot of people care more for bands on huntress, but i play multiplayer and let all my friends take the bands, it simplifies things when i dont use ballista

[visual magnet]

That’s exactly how I feel with loader’s utilities, my friends tell me “ThUnDeR gAuNtLeT’s BeTtEr”, but I simply can’t use it because I can’t hold the charge unlike the default

[fallow depot]

saying ____ gauntlet is bad is so silly, from what ive heard its the most up to preference alt

[visual magnet]

I’ll ALWAYS mess up my momentum with thunder gauntlet

[fallow depot]

like really its just up to what works

[cosmic maple]

I also like merc's full default loadout and I'm pretty sure that's not considered that good because you can't get as many expose procs but like? Full default is fun? So I don't care if it's technically not as good?

[fallow depot]

the only thing i genuinely do find weird is people who use rex alt m2, but you know what? good for them.

[cosmic maple]

And you can feel like one gauntlet is better than the other, I personally prefer thunder gauntlet, but saying either one is bad is definitely wrong

[visual magnet]

Yeah I’ll use thunder gauntlet sometimes, but I mostly use default

[cosmic maple]

they're both more than good enough to do basically whatever you want with them

and they're both big strong punch move, sometimes I just want big strong punch move

I liked default a lot more at first but I warmed up to thunder gauntlet over time

Mostly because the charge is so much faster

[visual magnet]

I can understand that yeah

[cosmic maple]

I do miss sliding through a giant crowd and turning around to see them all die as the procs finally catch up

[visual magnet]

Yeah but you do get to absolutes thunder-blast everything in front of you

Absolutely*

[cosmic maple]

and then bounce off and grapple away

it does feel a lot safer, since I don't have to worry about sliding into a malachite spike I couldn't see or something

[dreamy vector]

How would you fix huntress?

[fallow depot]

i wouldnt :)

actually would just give her like some very simple passive, anything to make people say shes not the worst without changing drastically

could give her like 10% extra base crit because accuracy and trained expert epic stuff

[waxen totem]

Remove the Auto Aim on the Glaive and Default M1. Lower their attack speed by a tad and boost the damage by a bit to compensate for the lack of auto-aim.

[fallow depot]

or uh increase move speed or something temporarily when you successfully blink away from an attack? or when you oneshot something?

i would never remove auto aim from huntress in any way tbh, thats what visions is for

[dreamy vector]

How about this:

• Remove auto aim
• SOME way to increase single target dps

[fallow depot]

wouldnt it make sense if she was very precise and calculated aka could proc things with a higher chance? maybe proc chance could change the more you successfully uh do something? i also say that if one of the m1 didnt have auto aim, dont make it too much better, but reward good, but only for aiming good

[waxen totem]

I just would like to be able to prioritize targets and be rewarded for good aim :P

[coarse onyx]

perhaps give her two more alternate spells? as basics

ppl who want it can keep it

those that don't, get a dmg boost in exchange for less reliable shots

[dusty cave]

I'd personally take away the auto aim and make the arrows less about holding m1 and more about holding and releasing at the right moment

Like drawing back a bow to fire the arrow

[coarse onyx]

Change her base speed to her sprint speed?
half the time she is kiting away so she can't shoot+sprint as her passive entails

or allow sprint to b maintained in any direction? (not jst holding W)

[fallow depot]

maybe when standing still, auto aim disables and if you get a precise shot, you get rewarded? maybe with a better proc chance, more money, or a temporary stat increase?

try to drive home the idea of a skilled archer who is very accurate, thats what im trying to do

[visual magnet]

Honestly I’d be fine with just removing auto aim, I can’t stand trying to damage a boss and then random lemurian #5 just walks into my line of fire

But of course she’d need something to compensate for that loss of auto-aim

[dusty cave]

More damage perhaps

Maybe a higher crit chance or some form of weakpoint in every enemy that has less armor

[fallow depot]

in my wacky idea place i wrote down something that is way too cool and neat for a base character, a hunting system where you get more money and exp from a specific monster of specific elite each stage, like "kill blazing lemurian"

[visual magnet]

Maybe something like bandit’s backstab where you get a crit for hitting a weak spot or something

[coarse onyx]

but wouldn't b redundant quickly?
Rather fast all enemies become a blur

[fallow depot]

i mean honestly i dont think she needs to have anything that fancy or powerful for being a base character

[lapis cosmos]

First off reduce ballista cooldown

It’s like 12 seconds now I think? And like why tho

[fallow depot]

like i totally am fine with huntress as she is

[lapis cosmos]

It’s not even amazing at bands since it’s 3 hits instead of one super mega hit

[coarse onyx]

hence suggesstion for alternative weapons that remove auto aim.
ppl who like it keep it, those that don't get something else

[fallow depot]

that sounds the best to me yeah

[lapis cosmos]

I like using huntress which is why I wish she was better

Like she is very fun with shaped glass

[fallow depot]

then i'd get made fun of for playing auto aim huntress :)

hm, i never use shaped glass

[dusty cave]

Maybe give a trade off for removing auto aim like more crit damage maybe

Instead of chance

[lapis cosmos]

Glass is good on some characters

[coarse onyx]

tbh I think the extra control is the trade off

auto aim ppl have to shoot shit they don't want to that gets in the way

in turn get reliability

[mellow mango]

I feel like auto-aim is a large part of what makes huntress unique so I would hesitate to remove it personally

[coarse onyx]

we've kind of moved past removal, and into simply adding options

[fallow depot]

i like the idea of just a simple passive, even for more characters beyond huntress

[summer terrace]

still bad also welcome back I forgot you were muted

[mellow mango]

😳

[fallow depot]

or just basic things like more proc chance

[mellow mango]

If you think it’s bad there are 10 other characters to play 😏

I wouldn’t mind an alt m2 with no auto-aim though

[fallow depot]

a snipe m2?

[coarse onyx]

is that not alternate R?

[mellow mango]

Probably just explosive arrow from the first game

Everybody seems to want that

[fallow depot]

though all of the alt skills have something in common, they're all x3

[summer terrace]

what do you mean theres only rex

[mellow mango]

Whos Rex

[fallow depot]

it means theres only rex

3 arrow shots, ???, 3 blinks, 3 ballista shots
if anything, i'd imagine an alt m2 as just a sawmerang kinda. no auto aim, but 3 glaives

[summer terrace]

tyranasuorous

[old ledge]

okay but an alt m1 that doesn't have auto aim and involves drawing back the bow for more power would be neat. Also kind of fills ballista's role but if arrow rain was buffed you could take this m1 and actually take and use arrow rain

damage range would probably be similar to rebar

[dusty cave]

That would be p cool ngl

[old ledge]

depends on charge speed

[fallow depot]

there IS a game that comes to mind when it comes to cool archery with auto aim, and you do charge your bow in that, and try to string together combos

[old ledge]

if the bow rapid charged after using a skill that could be an additional bit of fun synergy

[fallow depot]

the pathless is a neat game, its huntress simulator

[summer terrace]

yes cool game

[dusty cave]

Alt m2 that's just rapid fire arrows for like a solid 3 seconds, scales with attack speed

[fallow depot]

i mean i think i have some criticisms for it but the concept is phenomenal

[old ledge]

however this draw back m1 would work, i'd want to keep the huntress' core go fast gimmick, so honestly quick charge after using a skill sounds about right. Huntress just ain't built to be immobile.

same with the potential alt m2

[fervent abyss]

Droppin this here too bc why not

[teal island]

has any1 here had good success using the merc's focused assault?

[dull ingot]

@fervent abyss what is that drone carrying

[mellow mango]

yeah it’s good

[tulip nimbus]

Pog Salad

You're unmuted

[teal island]

How do you use it differently and find good success? I just seem to have swarms of wisps on me when I'm trying FA

[mellow mango]

I save it for groups I guess

Dunno

I usually run with with thunder and evis so those help deal with wisps generally

[copper adder]

Powerful

[fervent abyss]

||Ifrit's Distinction||

[fallow depot]

top text
blazing drone

[fervent abyss]

We did another, it's actually useful tbh

[tawny shell]

I'm curious why you don't have purities

[patent pond]

<@&559786374228738069>

[tranquil ridge]

smellysmegma#7555 was banned

[patent pond]

thanks

[celest scaffold]

Okay, what is with that sword on stage 6? it looks important but I have no idea how it fits in the lore./

[bitter trout]

rip

[toxic vector]

dang i died because i was standing still

[lapis cosmos]

That’s what happens in this game

[tepid wolf]

Yeah those super strong artifacts can't just save you from everything

Also that shaped glass

[lapis cosmos]

The crabbar build I see

[severe chasm]

You got power mode though 👀

[warped geyser]

Just noticed this nice loading screen

[severe chasm]

Yeah it's super cool. Makes running a tons of mods better too

[merry karma]

modpackmodpack

[deft breach]

so for eclipse 5+ on merc should i just take eviscerate for the safety of early game?

[full magnet]

It's a lot better then default

[full magnet]

If you keep dying yes but both special are good

[tepid wolf]

I wouldn't call FA a lot better, it's a sidegrade honestly

It mainly shines against groups

For smaller groups or larger enemies BA works better, also BA can be cancelled via M2

[lapis cosmos]

Anyone find it kind of disappointing that grandpa’s boss item doesn’t let you do the praise the sun move

[latent field]

Yeah

[lapis cosmos]

Although that would be passive tincture basically

[lime barn]

Just had an interesting run, Hooks of heresy and Brilliant Behemoth x3

[lapis cosmos]

unfortunately stacking behemoths does not increase the damage but still nice

[lime barn]

I didn't realize it only increased the AOE

[lapis cosmos]

most legendaries dont stack well

[tawny plaza]

I needed this thank you so much

[quaint tiger]

Is eviscerate better than the other merc ability

I run focused assault
Upper slash thing

[tepid wolf]

I would say slicing winds is overall better

[tawny plaza]

I use the uppercut but most mains say default is better

[tepid wolf]

It does more than 4 times the damage of eviscerate, reduces cooldowns by 3 seconds and doesn't lock you out for 1.3 seconds

[merry karma]

and also you get more iframes with blinding assault cause of the cooldown reduction

[lapis cosmos]

I like rising thunder

but whirlwind is too versatile to give up imo

[full magnet]

I used to run rising thunder all the time until I realize man, this blows

[full magnet]

They're both good evis is safer slicing winds is more damage

[hybrid vault]

hold on lemme get the merc copypasta

„uh
ok
I would recommend SW/whirlwind as the best loadout
but if you are new to merc you might consider using evis
for i-frames to keep you alive
however you lose a bit of damage
uh, you can cancel you dashes using your m2
so the basic combo on bosses is full m1 combo, then dash during 3rd slice and immediately cancel dash with m2
repeat
but you dont need to dash cancel
it just streamlines dps a lot
for whirlwind, learn how to trimp
and more importantly where to trimp
like for newt for example
basically main thing to do with merc is make sure you are getting the expose from m1 combo as much as possible“
-groove

there it is

[tulip nimbus]

"A bit" of damage is more like "2 thirds"

[full magnet]

I played this character for a long time and evis is better for me

[hybrid vault]

this was written before focused assault

[tulip nimbus]

Yea

[hybrid vault]

you lose out on a ton of damage

[full magnet]

Focused assault makes evis a lot better

[tulip nimbus]

Sw dps was 1833 and evis was like 720

[hybrid vault]

it does though

you can use either special with focused

[full magnet]

Honestly I've never had trouble killing stuff with merc

[hybrid vault]

but you should really be using sw with blinding

[full magnet]

Damage from evis is more than enough

[tulip nimbus]

I mean

[hybrid vault]

the thing with evis is:
-You can't use other abilities during it
-It doesn't give you expose, which means you cycle slower and deal less damage
-It doesn't have aoe

[full magnet]

• Because it makes you invincible
• Focused assult makes up for that
• Merc has great AOE already
  But honestly I just think flying around is cooler so yeah

[hybrid vault]

coolness is always a valid reason

[full magnet]

I like both playstyles anyways

[hybrid vault]

yeah, which special you use really depends on your playstyle

[full magnet]

Is it viable to go for a full ranged merc build if you take slicing winds?

[hybrid vault]

don't EVER fucking use visions on merc

it is the highest heresy

[full magnet]

??

I've had ok results with visions

[hybrid vault]

I'm overexaggerating

but merc m1 is too important to his kit to give up

because of the expose

it also has a massive hitbox, which means it has aoe

[full magnet]

If you take winds isn't it better to stay out of melee range anyways since you don't have i frames

[hybrid vault]

blinding assault gives you iframes

and slicing winds allows you to use it more often

[full magnet]

I like default primary more because of the cha cha ching sound but visions is pretty good too imo

Cool down reduction with exposed would also be good with visions

And it procs more

[hybrid vault]

you lose out on a large amount of expose on merc if you take visions

you also can't do your main combo

[lapis cosmos]

the problem with visions merc is it has zero synergy with the rest of his kit

also merc's m1 is basically a ranged aattack anyway

[hybrid vault]

which is m1 combo -> blinding assault -> cancel with whirlwind -> repeat until out of blinding assault charges

merc m1 has a higher dps than visions

[full magnet]

I just like having a new way to play him if you know what I mean

[hybrid vault]

it also scales with attack speed

[lapis cosmos]

fair, but merc without his primary is basically not merc anymore

[hybrid vault]

taking any heresy items on merc is just no

[lapis cosmos]

ruin would be good with his specials, shame it replaces them

[hybrid vault]

yeah

the newer 2 heresy items are so much cooler than the older 2 heresy items

[full magnet]

No what

[lapis cosmos]

I dunno, I usually hold m1 down most of the time because there is basically no downside since you can sprint

[hybrid vault]

unless red whip

[full magnet]

He doesn't morph into a kaiju after taking visions or anything he's still mercenary

[hybrid vault]

I mean he functionally does

[lapis cosmos]

in spirit I mean

[old ledge]

one of my favourite meme runs since patch

is mercenary that has completely forgotten he's a melee class

[lapis cosmos]

[old ledge]

visions/blades/shaowfade or either dash/slicing wind

what's this sharp thing in my hands again?

[lapis cosmos]

I am in pain

[old ledge]

for bonus points get gesture capacitor running with sac daggers so not only do you not melee, but your not melee playstyle isn't even used

[full magnet]

Merc + capacitor though

[old ledge]

ego death of mercenary, 20XX colourised

[full magnet]

(Very funny)

Y'all are actual merc purists I just play him however

Give this man a gun

[lapis cosmos]

I'm not saying you cant

i'm saying why I don't like it

[old ledge]

tbf i usually go slicing winds, focused assault and either m2 because i like triggering exposed procs even if its not the best

whenever im actually using the sword that is

[lapis cosmos]

that may be my favorite loadout, FA + SW

[old ledge]

doesn't it have single target issues, though

i mean, I think FA has the % to trigger bands but

[lapis cosmos]

better for obliteration than mith

[old ledge]

hammer man has his own specific demands, ye

[wicked star]

I like having visions on merc when using winds and focused assault if I'm going for mith, helps a lot with the single target issues vs him.

[old ledge]

i think FA+SW works best against tele bosses with gasoline or wisp

slaughter everything around the boss, watch it explode

[lapis cosmos]

merc's m1 hits like 3 miles to the left on the third hit

it's so dumb

[old ledge]

yeah i don;t like his new 3 hit combo, id give up the exposed on 3rd hit to go back to his old attack pattern

[full magnet]

The biggest problem I have with slicing winds is that you get cucked in multiplayer

Exposed can get procced by anything which is pretty dumb

[wicked star]

yeah, it's terrible with any amount of latency

[old ledge]

and be able to mix in slashes freely

wait, if someone else triggers exposed do they get the benefit or

[full magnet]

I like playing with friends and there evis is much better

[lapis cosmos]

I love it personally

[hybrid vault]

new merc >>> old merc

[lapis cosmos]

new merc is just more interesting imo

[hybrid vault]

you have to actually think to an extent

[old ledge]

oh yeah, i agree i just liked how you could mix in slashes without worrying about a different third hit, but it's probably more tactical so eh

[full magnet]

Can they please fix multiplayer expose though like for real

[hybrid vault]

that feels like it could be some sort of alt m1

[hybrid vault]

holy shit please hopoo

[old ledge]

okay but a fast slash alt m1 sounds cool

like tons of small hits, melee range nailgun

[hybrid vault]

melee range nailgun is saw

[lapis cosmos]

ok ngl I would be up for that

[full magnet]

iirc drones can also proc exposed?

[hybrid vault]

yeah, and they don't even get benefits from it

[old ledge]

saw is like two melee range nailguns tied together

[full magnet]

So dumb

[lapis cosmos]

this

[old ledge]

because mult's kit isn't really melee focused so saw needs to be stronk to compensate

[final shadow]

What about an M1 that you charge up, then release a flurry of strikes?

[lapis cosmos]

oop that is a png

[old ledge]

exactly like that ye

[lapis cosmos]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/castlevania/images/9/91/SOTN_Crissaegrim.gif/revision/latest?cb=20171006211320

WHY IS IT A PNG

[old ledge]

if the chage could be released earlier to unleash a smaller flurry id by down

you have to post the gif link

[lapis cosmos]

ok you get terraria

[old ledge]

that's what i was thinking

although maybe not like, just hold down m1 ye

[lapis cosmos]

yeah

[full magnet]

eh

Default m1 is more satisfying

Cha cha ching

[lapis cosmos]

but speed

[latent field]

first aspect in like 200 hours

i dropped a capacitor for it but i dont really care

[lapis cosmos]

you got the good one too

no clovers either

[full magnet]

The aspect names are pretty cool

[latent field]

they are pretty rad

[quiet swan]

overloading is stupid powerful. i hate the enemies, but love the elite equipment. there was a time i got the equipment to drop 4 runs in a row, and twice in one run because i encounter so many overloading enemies

[latent field]

that's dream luck right there

[quiet swan]

i only just found out today that blast shower can remove the overloading orbs that stick onto you

[cosmic maple]

blast shower can destroy any projectile if it's super close to you but it's not really practical to make use of

[lapis cosmos]

can blast shower destroy anything microbots can

[mellow mango]

Man just got owned what

[high torrent]

wait how you deleting revolver with blast shower

[quiet swan]

this, @high torrent

[high torrent]

wow

[quiet swan]

yea, so having perma blast (gesture plus lots of fuel cells) is basically "you no touch me". its like the poor mans microbots

as for this, @woven citrus, i get that too (i dont play modded), though its not as high, 105% or something around there. im still missing lots of challenges for survivors i dont play (and wins with mercenary and rex, cus i suck as them) as discussed in #ror2-feedback-discussion, this could be due to secret items such as fuel array and the elite equipment being registered to being obtained at least once, and hidden items, like drizzle assistance (or whatever its called)
#ror2-bug-reports-pc message

[quiet swan]

since gd1 is taken over by madness.... what is about the chance for a boss item to drop from the teleporter? i seem to get about on average one, sometimes two, boss items a run (not counting halcyon seed). i know mountain shrines increase the chance, but still, they seem to be pretty low. i was curious if anyone here knows the chance or if people just go off of a "its 10%" or something like that.

[night pagoda]

I wonder what bosses will be in the dlc maybe the gilded worms or maybe providence as a secret past stage

[zealous grove]

secret 2d prov fight

[quiet swan]

i tried to find that information on the wiki, but i could find that. which page is that on? teleporter or items?

ok, thanks

[fervent abyss]

?

[quiet swan]

the way i see it with mountain shrines: there is the initial 15% chance the item will be a boss item, and if it rolls that 15%, then both items will be boss items. if it doesnt, then one is an uncommon and it rolls again for the 15% on the other item. i could be VERY wrong on this, and it could just have rolled 15% twice or even thrice when i sometimes get 2 or 3 boss items.

[nova fern]

I've had plenty of times on multiplayer where it's one boss item and one uncommon

or a combination or boss and green, this isn't supposed to happen?

[hybrid vault]

that's not the case anymore

if you get a boss item, subsequent items won't necessarily be boss items

[nova fern]

like once it get's as is trying to roll each item popping out?

[cosmic maple]

oh is that the bug that caused boss items to be more common that they said they fixed?

[nova fern]

so it's just 15% per item can be boss?

[quiet swan]

they said they fixed it, but im not 100% if it is

[nova fern]

ah okay, yeah I'd so much rather it be all boss or no boss

[quiet swan]

more often than not, i get 3 or 4 green items

[nova fern]

like stage 3 one guy gets a spleen the other a red whip

[quiet swan]

i just want more chances to get little disciple. that item is pretty good (at least from my experience). 50% chance for stage 3 to be scorched acres. 33% chance for the tp boss to be grovetender, 15% chance for the item to be its boss item. great odds. it only spawns there unless there is a family event for wisps in another stage

[nova fern]

disciple printers > grovetenders dropping disciples

300+hr's played lol

[old ledge]

planula's a good one too

and the charged perforator is insanely good! although tbf by the time you get that far into a run it better be

[lapis cosmos]

printer tho

[nova fern]

yeah charged perforator is so much fun

[old ledge]

i mean fair, but a charged perforator printer is some real god tier luck

[nova fern]

they really did a good job of symbolizing ol worm strength in it

[old ledge]

even godder tier to have a yellow to print

[quiet swan]

you can get charged perforator on stage 5 if you have several mountain shrines active and get an overloading worm. ive done it that way before

[nova fern]

is 2 enough?

[quiet swan]

depends on how long youve lingered in other stages i believe

i think i had 3, maybe 2

[nova fern]

yeah i was thinking 3, specially because of that mando achievement

seeing 3 on any stage is p rare too, are there any % calc's or extra info for mountain shrines?

[quiet swan]

the achievement needs 2 mountain shrines, not 3, right?

ok, it is 2 shrines

[nova fern]

achievement is jsut kill overloading worm

[quiet swan]

i was thinking the royal capacitor achievement, not gonna lie. i VERY rarely use commando, so i forgot he had an achievement about that

[nova fern]

I kinda forgot about capacitor achievement

wait I thought it was 3, same as war monger (x3 combat for war horn)

[quiet swan]

warmonger is 3, ascendant is 2

[vague jasper]

I just started a run and no enemies are spawning and no tp boss summoned and we just are passing lvlvs for no reason

[quiet swan]

are you using artifact of Dissonance?

[tulip nimbus]

What artifacts

[quiet swan]

if so, its a known bug and its apparently being fixed

[latent field]

the blazing beetle has given up

Pain

[quiet swan]

what survivor is that? i know its modded, but as ive not used mods before in this game, idk which it is

[small summit]

it's sniper if i'm not wrong

[quiet swan]

huh

[summer canyon]

I was searching if RoR2 is cross platform (it isn't) and this was the first result on Google which I found fucking hilarious

[latent field]

yeah the character is sniper

it's stupid fun

yeah this is broken im one shotting perfected chimeras

[cosmic maple]

"This game doesn't have crossplay, but if it had crossplay, it would have crossplay"

[quiet swan]

12 stages, 1 boss item, and it was the most useless of them all: genesis loop

[cosmic maple]

I've always been a fan of genesis loop

Running into the middle of a group of enemies that's destroying me and blowing them all up for 6000% damage never gets old

[misty shore]

I play engie so genesis loop is just a constant nuke

The more the better

[cosmic maple]

Every time I try genesis loop with engi, the turrets go from >25% health to dead too fast for the explosion to actually go off

but one day

[misty shore]

Enough Bustling Fungus makes sure that they're just below 25% when it starts

Or just get a Dio's

[dawn halo]

Does anyone know what version the consoles are on compared to pc?

[high torrent]

do you have ї?

[sly vessel]

1.0 update

Pc is on anniversary update

[high torrent]

yezz

nice💜

[sly vessel]

So console is missing sundered grove update(literally just sundered grove) and anniversary update(bandit, commencement rework, new boss items, ally rebalance, new alts, secret survivor)

[dawn halo]

Wow that's a lot

Dissapointing

[sly vessel]

It’s not too bad really

Sundered grove is just a stage a lot of people dislike

And once anniversary update is ported they’ll try to update at the same time

[quiet swan]

@echo shell thats actually not a glitch. its a family event thats quite rare to occur. (not sure if you were already told this, but just letting you know)
#ror2-bug-reports-pc message

[dense pendant]

which lunar item replaces secondary? I'm playing captain and his m2 is rather bad

[raven lichen]

hooks, the wing

[dense pendant]

oh oky ty

also is transcendence good on captain or not

[wide dew]

Its not bad

But not much benefits

[dense pendant]

oh dear i seem to have picked up the wrong lunar

did not want strides of hersey

[raven cedar]

It's not bad if you didn't have any/a lot of recovery, I believe.

[dense pendant]

is there a different way to get rid of lunars besides cleansing pools?

[zealous grove]

nope

- hooks, replaces m2
- strides, replaces shift
- essence, replaces 4th ability
- visions, replaces m1

[zealous grove]

in case you never find hooks, you can use m2 immediately after m1 and then m1 again, thats its best use
a bit more m1 dps

[rose gorge]

Has anyone else had their logbook wiped as of late? Apart from characters and challenges, all my other logbook entries are blank.

[sly vessel]

Technically shrine of order since it converts them all into one lunar, and mithrix who steals your items(though you have to get them back)

[zealous grove]

he doesn't steal heresy items iirc

[sly vessel]

Oh yeah not anymore

That’d screw ||heretic|| over lol

[zealous grove]

Honestly it'd be fucking great if he did

Fun easter egg

[sly vessel]

But then you can’t complete game as heretic

[zealous grove]

you can still obliterate

[sly vessel]

Yeah but no message and makes the character even more of a meme

It’d just feel dumb I think

Like “oh what a cool little feature that the final boss just decides i get fucked on the final phase”

[cosmic maple]

but then you'd get it back after killing him

[high torrent]

I did, I think I've started the game with outdated mods lol, haven't digget deep to actually figure out what caused it, it's kinda funny to find all of those beebles logs again

[rose gorge]

Yeah, sounds about right. So many mods have deprecated that it's hard to point pin the cause.

[vapid matrix]

the prismatic trial pisses me, off i sweated my balls off to get the achievement then there are these idiots with a free prismatic trial

[paper finch]

I mean there are also the people that just gave themselves the achievement so oh well

[desert scarab]

Hey me and my friends are trying to split screen. ROR2 devs seems to have tweeted that they even support it but we can’t figure it out.

[lapis sparrow]

hopoo respond or dumb

that should do the trick

[gray relic]

I don’t think you can do split screen, are you on console?

[summer terrace]

there's no official splitscreen

it was planned but never finished

[late halo]

Guys, ethereal is free this trial
https://youtu.be/8anak4vFi_M

[light valve]

Whats the best way to share loot in multiplayer?

[hard cargo]

Taking it all for yourself

[final turtle]

This is what happens when you go Artifact of Command and Sacrifice:

I was going MUL-T.

[visual magnet]

IMO needs more shaped glass😏

[final turtle]

Didn't have many lunar coins, got 10 from the twisted scavenger and 5 from obliterated, so I have 19 now, and for my build 1 shaped glass was enough lol.

[rare thicket]

There is a share loot mod, very handy, no configuration needed.

[shy zealot]

Whats the better secondary for bandit

[hearty grove]

Just played the update for the first time

If I have to give my review of Bandit...well I played him for three hours, and the phrase "rootin' tootin' cowboy shootin'" never left my brain a single time

So, that's about it

[woven scaffold]

yeehaw

[spring birch]

Does soldier syringe increase the MUL-T nailgun rate of fire?

[static imp]

well, is his nail gun an attack? if so, then that answers the question

[somber vale]

yes lol

[waxen totem]

Sounds like a skill issue

[vague lintel]

The heretic is so fun, too bad its not always available

oh well

[still basin]

does anyone have a picture like this for the new aspect?

[waxen totem]

@still basin Give me like, 15 minutes. I can whip up something for you

[still basin]

thank you so much!!!!

[waxen totem]

It's similar to Strikes but bluer.

Except you shoot out 4 projectiles every couple of seconds if you're in a Combat-State.

[still basin]

interesting that the face-halo doesnt show up

thank you, though!!

[waxen totem]

I don't know if the LunarAspect has a custom headpiece?

If it does, it's definitely disabled. If it doesn't, I wish it did

[still basin]

i could have sworn the Perfected elites had a ring of white light hovering in front of their "face"

[waxen totem]

I'll go check rn lol

[still basin]

sweet lmk!!

[waxen totem]

You would be correct, I remember now

That is odd that the survivors DON'T have 'em

Would be kinda neat

[still basin]

would be VERY neat.......

[hardy plank]

Gd2

[waxen totem]

Even the small orbs have 'em

Nice.
Something I hadn't noticed, I just thought they were darker and bluer.

[silver elbow]

perfected chimera also seems to be an entirely different color from perfected survivors (really dark blue, rather than purple), at least that's how i see it

[waxen totem]

Yes

The Perfected Elites seem to darken a LOT compared to the survivors and I bet it's something to do with the Texture and/or material they use.

[sly vessel]

Well what we were arguing about is whether mithrix should steal heresy items, which would make him literally impossible on heretic due to ya know stealing all your abilities

[waxen totem]

I had a feeling it was about something else

That'd be terrible

Well.
Maybe not. I assume you'd just turn back to your original survivor.

[tired axle]

you don't

[waxen totem]

I gotta test this.

[sly vessel]

On heretic if you lose heresy items you just lose the ability

It’s replaced by a useless skill

[silver elbow]

man, i didn't even consider what'd happen if i fought him with heresy items without being heretic-

[sly vessel]

That could change I suppose but imagine how anticlimactic itd be to just turn back into the regular old survivor after a run playing as and building around heretic

[silver elbow]

i think i've only had heresy items against him while being heretic

[waxen totem]

[Nevermore]
Squawk a solemn reply.

Neat, they gave it a description and an icon.

[silver elbow]

even makes alien bird noises when you use it!

[waxen totem]

Ye

[quiet swan]

@minor dome
this also happens without banners. i have this issue all the time with drones, mostly on gilded shore and siren's call. i posted 2 instances with this in the bug reports chat with this issue.
#ror2-bug-reports-pc message

[merry karma]

I noticed some missing nodes or AI randomly not working properly, just standing in place and not moving but still attacking me

[quiet swan]

i only noticed this with drones. pretty much every drone can get stuck

[merry karma]

for me it was healing drones, gunner drones, lemurians and stone golems

[quiet swan]

ive not had enemies break like the drones do. pretty much the only 2 drones i havent seen break are equipment drones and TC-280 Prototype drones because i rarely use those

[spring birch]

Is the engineer missile util better than the shield?

[dull ingot]

I think so but it is based on your playstyle

[spring birch]

yeah that's what is making me think about it. Also if i pick the mobile turrets, bustling fungus wont work so much.

[quiet swan]

i prefer the missiles and stationary turrets

[spring birch]

Do the turrets proc their own atg missiles?

[brave relic]

yes

[spring birch]

Oh nice

[lapis cosmos]

I go for all alt engi because it’s more fun

[merry karma]

ye

[lapis cosmos]

Idk what the %DPS difference is between the 2

[quiet swan]

also the missiles can trigger the bands and its a shorter cooldown than the mines

[full magnet]

Mobile turrets are very good with bleed

[wraith carbon]

how do I not die as capt.

on rainfall difficulty I get squished by the 3rd area on loop

[outer swallow]

what beacons do you use?

start off with healing ones if you want to get a feel for his playstyle

[wraith carbon]

Like I said I get squished, as in 1shotted

but yes 2 healing, I had 2 healing drones too

@outer swallow

[spice fulcrum]

I made it to mithrix with captain, the fight took like 20 minutes and then I died 😔

[snow sedge]

[lapis cosmos]

gotta always be moving

[zealous grove]

sprint
don't bother charging your m1
jump lots
don't get personal shield generator

[brave relic]

psg good

also charging your M1 is good at times if you need distance

like you're trying to kill something far away, trying to slam maybe a wisp or a jellyfish into the wall

or just maintaining your distance against scary enemies like elite elder lemurians or brass contraptions

and you can charge up your M1 and still run

[brave relic]

like, you can still run and have your charged M1 there, just waiting to be used

[severe chasm]

Shield generator is great

[zealous grove]

it's good until you need your osp back

if you're rarely getting hit, fine

[mellow mango]

just dont get hit

ez

[brave relic]

when you need your OSP back there will be a bunch of enemies which can break your osp with ease

[lapis cosmos]

OSP only matters with insane levels of healing

So basically only late game runs and maybe mith

[brave relic]

there's like two moves where it's worth to have OSP for mith

his regular hammer slash
and revolving doors

[lapis cosmos]

True

[brave relic]

the "nailgun" is not too dangerous unless you really can't dodge it

[spice fulcrum]

I don't understand how people play this game on monsoon. I just get destroyed no matter what.

[brave relic]

and the other moves, he can oneshot you with it

[brave relic]

you'll get used to it

[lapis cosmos]

I would get most unlocks before doing monsoon tho

[north sphinx]

masochism

[spice fulcrum]

I'll get used to being destroyed? Yeah probably.

[brave relic]

it's a matter of playing the game and you will eventually get it

and you can always train on rainstorm

[lapis cosmos]

Am pretty alright at obliterating runs consistently. Still getting the hang of mithrix

[brave relic]

just because it's easier than monsoon it's still the regular game

[lapis cosmos]

How many items do you have unlocked

[brave relic]

it's not a waste of time

[spice fulcrum]

I beat the game with almost all characters on rainstorm.

I couldn't kill mithrix with loader, but except that, I beat him with all characters.

[spice fulcrum]

Almost all.

Couldn't unlock 1.

[lapis cosmos]

Loader is considered to be one of if not the best character so that’s odd

[brave relic]

okay, then either do more runs on monsoon, although you are going to die
or do rainstorm runs with challenge artifacts

[brave relic]

by example

[lapis cosmos]

Optimal loader play doesn’t use m1, mostly just hook and use utility

[spice fulcrum]

But then I'll die.

[zealous grove]

what are your times per stage, you might be letting the enemies outscale you on monsoon

[spice fulcrum]

Glass on rainstorm is harder than normal monsoon.

[zealous grove]

glass would be good "don't get hit" training

[brave relic]

yes, better dodges

[lapis cosmos]

redbeardymcgee does a lot of eclipse/monsoon runs live, could watch and ask him stuff

He’s very good

[spice fulcrum]

The last time I reached mithrix it was 30-34 minutes.

[zealous grove]

okay that's a fine time

[lapis cosmos]

That’s fine honestly, rushing is overrated

[brave relic]

that's how you train for stuff
you lose, you will not always win, and you might not notice the amount of times you have lost in a game, but you need to lose in order to improve

[spice fulcrum]

I fought him for 20 minutes.

Then died.

[zealous grove]

prioritize hitscan enemies like lesser wisps and learn the patterns of other enemies like golems, slowly learn bosses

[lapis cosmos]

Yeah it’s a very long fight

[brave relic]

30-34 minutes is a pretty fine time

could be a bit longer but it's a good time

[zealous grove]

What'd you die to on mithrix

It's odd that you fought him for that long

[spice fulcrum]

I just didn't have enough damage.

I died to the spinny explosion attack.

[zealous grove]

some runs go that way

Run the opposite way of the triangles and stay in medium distance

[lapis cosmos]

Revolving doors is what that’s called

Very infamous move

[merry karma]

😳

[spice fulcrum]

I didn't see any doors but I saw some spinning explosions.

[lapis cosmos]

That’s just a community name

[spice fulcrum]

Welp, I'll try some glass runs I guess.

[lapis cosmos]

It’s the blue things on the ground right

[merry karma]

you should prolly use charged gauntlet instead of thunder gauntlet

[lapis cosmos]

Glass isn’t great for learning the game I think

[zealous grove]

triangle

either way, the game is about learning and dying

you will die

[spice fulcrum]

I don't know what I'm learning.

[zealous grove]

that's the nature of roguelikes

[lapis cosmos]

Taking damage is fine for killing stuff fast

[spice fulcrum]

I just don't like it that some attacks are not dodgeable.

[zealous grove]

Think about what you died to and what you could do to avoid it
dodge this attack, maybe you should have spent that minute to look for a scrapper or printer, etc.

[spice fulcrum]

It's just "ran away or get hit".

[zealous grove]

triangles are very dodgeable

[brave relic]

nobody knows what they are learning, until they start to see progress

[spice fulcrum]

I'm not talking about the spinning death attack.

[lapis cosmos]

How 2 play artifact of glass

1. Click Acrid
2. pick blight like a chad
3. Win

[tired axle]

pick poison instead, it would be funny

[brave relic]

I've played with glass artifact with like half of the characters

[lapis cosmos]

Double scrap glass artifact was something

[brave relic]

it's pretty chaotic but it did help me learn a bit more of strategy and how to dodge some stuff more effectively

[brave relic]

I just did nailgun rebar lul

[lapis cosmos]

Glass artifact saw is very risky but man the damage when it works is something

[merry karma]

did you start playing again after April 11th?

[brave relic]

yeah I kinda wanted to do saw but I was going for mithrix on these runs

so I didn't want to bring saw into that run

actually nevermind I was doing a mix of both now that I remember

[merry karma]

he played himself

[spice fulcrum]

Tried glass in rainstorm with mercenary. Everything was going well until the enemies in void fields all got tesla coils. Died to an enemy that shocked me through a wall.

[brave relic]

it usually doesn't go well when they get tesla coil in void

[lapis cosmos]

Yeah kinda sucks lol

[spice fulcrum]

I guess I'll just try regular monsoon runs.

[lapis cosmos]

If you want to see good eclipse/monsoon gameplay, redbeardymcgee does a lot of eclipse runs on his twitch and he has a ton of vods

[spice fulcrum]

I did watch woolie play some eclipse. I just watch him do well, I don't really understand how he is doing well.

[brave relic]

Woolie is good for like, newer player tips, like a player who just got the game and all

[lapis cosmos]

^

[brave relic]

but it's not too great for people like, trying to go for the next step, like monsoon or eclipse

[spice fulcrum]

I mean, he plays in it.

[lapis cosmos]

He’s definitely good at the game but some of his opinions are a bit misleading

[spice fulcrum]

And I watched it.

[brave relic]

also his playstyle is a bit rushing

[lapis cosmos]

Yeah which kind of makes it more impressive how good he is lol

[brave relic]

there is going fast
and there is rushing

[lapis cosmos]

Rushing is generally not worth

[tired axle]

it's funny though

[brave relic]

yeah
even going super slow has some kind of reward

[lapis cosmos]

Farming is generally better, although it depends on the stage

Like I won’t go across all of wetland as captain for 2 chests

[brave relic]

I usually go for the rule of 5 minutes for the first 3 stages

[lapis cosmos]

5-7 is fine

[brave relic]

I nearly full clear or full clear stage 4
and full clear stage 5

[lapis cosmos]

It’s mostly evaluating on the fly for me

Stage 5 is deadly I usually don’t want to stay there for so long

[brave relic]

yeah I just got used to it, so I can full clear most of the time just fine

[lapis cosmos]

Is it just me or is grandparent a very weak boss/enemy

[brave relic]

of course on a weaker going for Mithrix run I might considerate trying the teleporter and maybe leaving early, but yeah I don't do it often

yeah the grandparent is pretty weak since he is easy to dodge

but his sun attack does a lot of fucking damage

[lapis cosmos]

Gives you so much money tho

[brave relic]

free money time

[lapis cosmos]

Very weird enemy

In terms of visuals I reallly like it

I mean you can see it across the entire stage

[brave relic]

he's more of a teleporter event danger, especially in a bad position

since then you just kinda need to hide in a small spot, trying to dodge the upcoming enemies then going up to the grandparent to damage him

[lapis cosmos]

The idea of a hulking enemy that can attack you from almost any range is really cool

[brave relic]

because you CANNOT tank the sun without having a insane amount of defensive items

and I'm also sure the solar debuff thing increases damage from blazing enemies or the damage from his sun

so yeah, really tough

[lapis cosmos]

Treat it like a vagrant explosion and keep distance

Seems like the best idea

[vague lintel]

easily my most successful run ever

[indigo steeple]

speaking of god runs this is actually my frist expirence with a god run although on a smaller scale and plus the 2nd time i beat rainstorm solo without cheesing it

[devout mulch]

ummmm I got 102% game completion somehow

[half mason]

Meteor is a good item :)

[spice fulcrum]

No one can beat monsoon you are all robots.

I just never have enough damage.

[full magnet]

Keep playing and actually turn on your brain

[outer swallow]

there's something both terrifying, and awesome about spider mines

[spice fulcrum]

How did I not think of that of course. I gotta turn my brain on first.

[full magnet]

Surprisingly difficult

[lapis cosmos]

ok guys

so I got a ror2 item randomizer

let's see what we get

https://i.imgur.com/qIHat4b.png

[brave relic]

yellow happiest mask

[lapis cosmos]

https://i.imgur.com/zBMLwVF.png ah yes the floor is made of floor

[brave relic]

so like you crit and there is a chance you crit that crit

hypercrit but with extra steps

[lapis cosmos]

** C R E A M**

[brave relic]

THE MIGHTY CREAM

[lapis cosmos]

hmmm

I'm guessing this dodge chance lasts a few seconds after crit

[brave relic]

best lunar item

[lapis cosmos]

most of these make no sense

[brave relic]

they could definitaly be used as inspiration

[lapis cosmos]

https://i.imgur.com/mTG9Njz.png this seems pretty interesting

[brave relic]

Technically Disciple

[lapis cosmos]

woodsprite pog

but what is .63 of a wisp

[brave relic]

lol

[lapis cosmos]

almost makes sense

[brave relic]

laughs in MUL-T

[lapis cosmos]

kind of insane if you pretend stacking just gives 10 each time but is consumed after 10

https://i.imgur.com/8EVhjYP.png oh god

[brave relic]

THE JADE UNSTABLE CUBE

[lapis cosmos]

this is like a lunar lol

[brave relic]

HOLY FUCK

[rose sequoia]

Finally got all of her items.

[lapis cosmos]

please use ballista

[rose sequoia]

No.

[lapis cosmos]

3 clovers

[rose sequoia]

Already I don't likey and I only used it for 7 minutes.

[lapis cosmos]

huntress needs it tho, she has zero single target otherwise

[rose sequoia]

That's why I use the alt primary.

[lapis cosmos]

that isn't enough for later enemies and especially mithrix

[brave relic]

arrow rain can outdps ballista quite often
but ballista can easily proc pretty ok bands and also doesn't fall off in the late game because arrow rain has bad proc coef

[lapis cosmos]

arrow rain is atrocious vs mithrix

[brave relic]

yes

[rose sequoia]

what the fuck is procs, bands, and coef

[vague lintel]

Oh my sweet precious child

[lapis cosmos]

^

[vague lintel]

Sweet innocent child

[lapis cosmos]

it's a long discussion

[brave relic]

bands is a green item that when you do a damage greater than 400% you blast them with a runic fire tornado/cold bomb into enemies that do TOTAL damage (meaning they do greater damage depending on what procced them)

proc is the activation of a item or an effect

by example the AtG

proc coef is sort of a multiplier that every character has

[rose sequoia]

Oh bandolier?

[brave relic]

some characters have less, but the highest value is 1.0 proc coef

[brave relic]

any item that has a chance of happening is a proc item

except crit

it doesn't fall into that category

[lapis cosmos]

clears throat

Basically, procs are when the chance for an item's effect to happen, happens. For example, an AtG has a 10% chance to proc. A proc coefficient is a modifier to the original proc. If something has a proc coefficient of 1, it will proc items at their normal rate, so 10% for an AtG. If the proc coefficient is 0.5, it will be 5% On hit items tend to be very strong, and can usually proc each other. This is known as proc chaining and is your main method of doing damage especially later on in a run

[brave relic]

but bleed, sticky bombs, TECHNICALLY bands, molten perforator, bandolier, AtG yada yada yada yada

[lapis cosmos]

Kjaro's and Runald's bands

[rose sequoia]

My brain is trying to decipher that.

[lapis cosmos]

the reason why proc chains are so good is that something like an AtG can proc bands, which do damage based on the AtG missile which tends to be very strong

basically procs is the chance for an item to occur

[brave relic]

like, all proc items are TOTAL damage items, except for bleed

[lapis cosmos]

proc coefficient is how good something is at procing stuff

[brave relic]

so yeah like, it's pretty important to have a high damaging skill instead of just focusing on just going minigun mode

[lapis cosmos]

basically mul-t's nail gun shoots very fast so it's a lower proc coefficient than something like a preon accumulator

[brave relic]

like you can proc 10 AtG's with MUL-T's nailgun by example
but it won't do the same damage as a AtG procced by a royal capacitor

oh hey we said the same thing

[lapis cosmos]

yeah

[brave relic]

pretty much

[lapis cosmos]

it's a learning curve to understand it and the game does a terrible job at explaining it (or rather doesn't try)

so don't feel bad for not getting it

[brave relic]

anyways yeah
that's why arrow rain gets worse in the later runs

because it has a low proc coef

it can outdps ballista but ballista can proc more stronger stuff

[lapis cosmos]

arrow rain feels very bad

it's like a far worse version of rex's robot m2

[brave relic]

I've done some runs with arrow rain after like 20 runs with ballista
it honestly doesn't feel bad

[lapis cosmos]

yes I know arrow rain was in the game first

[brave relic]

I mean it definitaly did when I got to like stage 5

[lapis cosmos]

the dps problems of huntress make her feel very bad to play right now

[brave relic]

but for the rest of the game it felt good

yeah Huntress dps is just too bad

but atleast she is not Captain

[lapis cosmos]

captain is really good, he just only uses one move

[brave relic]

I prefer having a fun mobility gal rather than Captain

[lapis cosmos]

but that move is really really strong

[brave relic]

yeah I'm not saying Captain is weak
I'm saying Captain sucks in design

[lapis cosmos]

yeah even captain fans have to agree with that

As soon as I saw footage of Mercenary I knew he would be my favorite character

[brave relic]

atleast he can be a okay-ish support if the captain guy in your lobby decides to bring something else than hack beacon

Merc is great

even when I was new to the game I really liked Merc

[lapis cosmos]

hack beacon is kind of overrated, rushing tp is kind of overrated

[brave relic]

I mean I thought he was not really viable
but I still liked him

[lapis cosmos]

merc got so much more interesting in 1.0 with exposed

[brave relic]

yes

[lapis cosmos]

and arguably a lot better

[brave relic]

and stronger too

also made attack speed being a bit more interesting with him

[lapis cosmos]

Merc has quite a few loadouts that work well

[brave relic]

because well
exposed spam

sword go z o o o o o o m

[lapis cosmos]

Blinding Assault Slicing winds for the tryhard gamers, slicing + focused assault for expose city, focused assault + evis if you dont like slicing winds

all default merc is not the best because it's pretty redundant

[brave relic]

yep, but it still works

[lapis cosmos]

it's better to have focused assault for the aoe that evis doesn't have

[brave relic]

the best part about Merc is just how many combos and ways you can play Merc

like, I'm still discovering some stuff about Merc, and I have like 900 hours on ror2

[lapis cosmos]

just please dont take visions on merc

I will hate you forever

[brave relic]

some weeks ago I discovered on Merc is more op than I thought because of the WW cancel

[lapis cosmos]

merc's m1 hitbox is insane

it hits so far to the left of him on the third hit

and you can extend it by dashing during the anim

[brave relic]

yep

[lapis cosmos]

you know what's fun

strides loader

[brave relic]

yes

[lapis cosmos]

it's not even bad

loader is good at melee she's just better at the hit and run

[brave relic]

it got even better because of the anniversary update apparentaly

[lapis cosmos]

yeah because of the alt utility

special*

it's basically another gauntlet

[brave relic]

LOADER
C R U S H

[lapis cosmos]

I think strides can maintain momentum

so if you use it after a grapple you go flying

you can prob skip moon with it

[brave relic]

and you get style points because ror1 Loader

[lapis cosmos]

loader's melee has a very disjointed hitbox

but most melees do

but yeah strides loader is actually pretty decent, I recommend it if you like melee characters and want to try something new with her

[brave relic]

there also was a mod that added scrap barrier to Loader, idk if it's working in this update

not scrap barrier, I forgot it's name

the ror1 loader utility

[lapis cosmos]

speaking of melee, man nailgun feels so bad after using saw for a while

[brave relic]

yes

[lapis cosmos]

saw mul t is probably the best proc rate ability in the game

[brave relic]

but I don't think I can really play anything else than double scrap thanks to power mode

[lapis cosmos]

double saw is fun too if you get an aoe item

you just shred the second you get a single tri tip

[brave relic]

double saw powermode is something I'll one day have to beat

I already beat double saw once, with retool, on monsoon

I'll need to go to the next step

[lapis cosmos]

yeah double saw retool is very hard

I remember watching redriot's video

I feel like hopoo watched that video and felt bad so they let people dual wield saws

but yeah nailgun feels so much worse after using saw

the accuracy is a lot worse than I remember

[brave relic]

nailgun feels pretty cool with powermode

kinda makes me feel like nemforcer

also you can just kinda fly if you spam click it
don't even mention attack speed with it

[lapis cosmos]

I've been running scrap + saw in power mode and retool

[brave relic]

yeah scrap is great

[lapis cosmos]

has been slept on too long

[brave relic]

powermode has come to show the powers of scrap launcher

[lapis cosmos]

rebar isn't amazing unless you have 2

[brave relic]

and you're not on powermode

[lapis cosmos]

yeah rebar power mode is a waste

like why would you do that

[brave relic]

power mode made bringing double of a certain M1 much more fun

[lapis cosmos]

double saw isn't a meme now

[brave relic]

imo it's even more fun to bring a double than individual

[lapis cosmos]

I mean who looks at power mode and says "I'm gonna bring 2 different weapons"

the answer is me, but only scrapsaw

scrap launcher mobility is a super fun mod

[brave relic]

"oh shit, I'm in danger, aight I'mma head out see you guys on the moon"

[cosmic maple]

uh oh

[tall relic]

moving my questions here. overloading perf yes or no? trying to get captain smushed

[half kraken]

Charged Perforator you mean?

[tall relic]

yes

[half kraken]

Yes its perfectly fine if you are careful. In a recent hotfix they made a chance that adds a bit of a generous window where you will still get the achievement if mithrix dies shortly after the supply beacon hits

charged perforator will make you 10x less likely to die at mithrix

just be careful not to acidentally kill him too fast in last phase lol

[lofty steppe]

game broke and no monsters spawned

[slate lichen]

I noticed while playing that 's ruin debuff is effected by proc coefficients.
On the items page it states so, but it isnt listed in https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Proc_Coefficient as an item thats effected by the mechanic.

[dull ingot]

Am I the only one who hears the Discord ping sound when using Bandit's smoke bomb?

[zealous grove]

yes

[spice fulcrum]

Mithrix is mine now.

[mossy garden]

i like how his eye is a seperate model now that it falls out

[brisk haven]

Ouch

[upper briar]

gd2

[merry karma]

gd2

[snow sedge]

🇬

[lapis cosmos]

Any focus crystal fans in chat

[merry karma]

yes

[snow sedge]

any slug enjoyers in chat

[lapis cosmos]

YES

Slug is a carry item and nobody can tell me otherwise

[snow sedge]

slug is epic

[lapis cosmos]

Honestly steak is a pretty nice item

Does the Max hp scale with level

[snow sedge]

this happens to me like five times in a row every time i hit the shrine

[lapis cosmos]

Honestly I’m realizing more and more that hacking beacon is pretty overrated

[tired axle]

definitely

[zealous grove]

4 free items a stage is pretty based early game

[lapis cosmos]

Rushing as a whole isn’t as good as it sounds

I still run single hacking but that’s because I’m pretty used to it already

[lapis cosmos]

It is, but healing beacon is super strong and shocking infinitely stunlocks anything inside it lol

Equip beacon is good for quickly bursting down bosses

[tired axle]

just use the cancel for that, easy

[lapis cosmos]

Or nuke

Having a healing zone in the mithrix fight is so good

I usually put it on the top platforms

[tall wharf]

is Transcendence on REX good? curious for other runs

[lapis cosmos]

Horrible

[tall wharf]

thats what i thought

since REXs entire thing is to heal

after dealing damage to self

medkits stack really well tho

[lapis cosmos]

I love medkits

[graceful stone]

[severe chasm]

Only time you use bug on Rex is eclipse 8

[tall wharf]

is that so it doesnt count as perma damage?

when you use his abilities

[severe chasm]

I'm pretty sure yeah. Bug also invalidates 3 modifiers lol

[tall wharf]

oh shit

yeah im just getting into the Eclipse area

i havent won yet but ive gotten close

[severe chasm]

Bug is mad broken in eclipse

[tall wharf]

thats good to know

ive heard bug + glass is a good combo

for some characters like Huntress

[severe chasm]

Huntress really enjoys the damage boost. Not like you live many hits anyway lol

OSP is a concern but killing things faster is really nice

[tepid wolf]

Also bug is even great on engineer

[severe chasm]

Bug is broken on everyone in E8 apparently

[tepid wolf]

I mean it also helps with E8 thanks to that 50% HP increase