if you have heretic conditions, then metamorfosis becoming useless
#gd2-nullified
somber trellis
i wanted to say "now conbine all 4" but remembered that heretic won't had loader's passive
scarlet matrix
How’s multi’s new ability
somber trellis
want to see double nailgun bleeding build
somber trellis
@tulip nimbus so
did it mean that for cap bleed on nailgun you need like 15-16 daggers?
tulip nimbus
Yea cause nailgun has a .6 proc coefficient so that sounds right
somber trellis
oh shoot
austere dawn
how does the final stage work now? i dont get it
brittle palm
anyone else feels that Commando and Huntress could use a bit of a glow up to their sprint animations?
leaden oxide
there's blue beacons you can see from across the map, you go to them and interact with the pillars that are there. once you get four of those completed and charged, four new beacons appear. stand on those and you go to the boss fight @austere dawn
scarlet matrix
Can you still swap between 2 equipments with multi’s new special
somber trellis
that's the point of the new special
double nailgun bleeding build
want to see
scarlet matrix
double nailgun bleeding build
want to see
Imagine that but with shatterspleen
tulip nimbus
Honestly i think heretic has funky animations but its funny
somber trellis
Imagine that but with shatterspleen
sounds as good as dealing around hundred bleeds per second
scarlet matrix
sounds as good as dealing around hundred bleeds per second
This new ability is certainly interesting
somber trellis
gn, i have like 12 am
quaint forum
so if meat is infusion 2.0 whats the new heal on kill if any?
median otter
Im so mad, i beat mytrix as bandit on monsoon and when i tried doing the "kill the final boss with lights out" achievement my runalds bands activated and he died to them
scarlet matrix
Im so mad, i beat mytrix as bandit on monsoon and when i tried doing the "kill t...
Big sad
tulip nimbus
so if meat is infusion 2.0 whats the new heal on kill if any?
There isn't one
stable star
Im so mad, i beat mytrix as bandit on monsoon and when i tried doing the "kill t...
Good to know, thank you for your sacrifice.
scarlet matrix
How you guys feel about the new boss items
echo matrix
What's planula do
quaint forum
and idk wtf the other one does yet
glossy sand
What's planula do
Flat healing when taking damage
echo matrix
I thought that was the egg
echo matrix
Wait so what's the grandparent item
glossy sand
The egg
tulip nimbus
Planula lmao
echo matrix
I thought planula was the solus item
tulip nimbus
Nah
echo matrix
What's the solus item?!?!
glossy sand
What's the solus item?!?!
Empathy core
twin seal
The planula is the egg
echo matrix
What's EC do
glossy sand
It summons 2 probes that get 100%+ damage for every ally you have
echo matrix
Why do I hear bungus man breathing heavy
Also do they get the dmg boost from each orher
atomic creek
yes
median otter
Empathy cores are fun on swarm you just get 4 of the solus probes
dull rampart
^
dawn hatch
Thunderdome unlock requires MP with Artefact of Chaos, aye?
dawn hatch
But doesn't time stop in Bulwark's Ambry? Do Umbras still spawn?
steep summit
It seems like that this update broke elite spawnrate after loop
tulip nimbus
But doesn't time stop in Bulwark's Ambry? Do Umbras still spawn?
Every time you key the artifact a new one spawns
steep summit
after 50 minutes mostly all monsters that spawned were celestial or malachite
dawn hatch
Every time you key the artifact a new one spawns
Oh, cool, thanks!
steep summit
it's just unplayable
tulip nimbus
Monsoon?
steep summit
Yes
tulip nimbus
Yea they made monsoon harder
steep summit
We went good
tulip nimbus
Increased credits per stage
tulip nimbus
Yup
dawn hatch
I am a bit burnt out on Monsoon, feels like I either need exceptional luck or visit Void Fields, which gets kind of boring as a regular visit.
steep summit
and all of monsters are unkillable
near geyser
is getting merc alt ability bugged? I swear I used like 5 abilities and instantly got it
near geyser
they're in different places everytime I thought
dawn hatch
is getting merc alt ability bugged? I swear I used like 5 abilities and instantl...
Yeah, I was all keyed up to do a command run to spam backup magazines and then I got it without even reaching the teleporter.
smoky radish
ive looked everywhere but i just cannot find it anywhere
dawn hatch
Look for a pillar of blue light, @smoky radish
near geyser
Yeah, I was all keyed up to do a command run to spam backup magazines and then I...
literally the exact same dude, like wut, I mean I'll take it
tulip nimbus
Look for big blue pillar
smoky radish
it was at the edge of the fucking map wtf
tulip nimbus
Lol
chrome ether
anyone know if theres a delay on the new egg item healing or am i invincible with 15 health via shaped glass and a planula or 2
chrome ether
oh damn
raw hemlock
Does Multis new r still allow him to have two equipment?
Also, does it add 200 to his natural armour or does it only go up to 200?
dull rampart
Mass is always on the cave on the left
Soul is always on the right in the cylinder structure
Blood is in the far back in the armory
Design is in the factory on the back left
@smoky radish
dull rampart
Monsoon was made harder
tulip nimbus
Yea hes v hard
past mural
I've trying for like 6 hours with Bandit
dull rampart
Peeps thought it was too easy
past mural
Yeah I was doing Monsoon runs before no problems
tulip nimbus
I recommend doing sacrifice or command artifact on 5
past mural
But damn
raw hemlock
Monsoon was made harder
Whats the new changes?
past mural
Yeah I've been using command but still
tulip nimbus
Whats the new changes?
Increased credits per stage
past mural
I get like one shot constantly
steep summit
New monsoon is kinda too much
raw hemlock
Command is so op but it makes the game so much more fun
I havent tried new monsoon without command but i imagine its brutal
tulip nimbus
I was only able to beat game with heretic on monsoon so far
Couldn't even do it with arti
past mural
There's a lot of good and bad with this update
tulip nimbus
Yea overall I really like it cause ror2
past mural
The bugs are especially bad right now
tulip nimbus
Yea imagine if they released on console at same time
bright garden
I haven't really run into many bugs
raw hemlock
They should make command double item cost or something
past mural
I haven't really run into many bugs
Most common ones are the drones surrounding you when there's no enemies nearby and guillotine just not working on the new elites
steep summit
No, it was made for fun
bright garden
I think its fine to have an op mode with command
raw hemlock
Fair
raw hemlock
It just doesnt really fit with the rest of the artifacts, since they make the game harder
bright garden
they're just modifiers
raw hemlock
dude if u think command is op why not just play without it
I find the game way more fun with command, i just still think its a bit broken
blazing lagoon
sacrifice, swarms:
raw hemlock
Depends on how you play tbh
blazing lagoon
nope, sacrifice allows u to farm infinitely
bright garden
it just changes the game
raw hemlock
Swarms with sacrifice is also kinda weird
blazing lagoon
you don't even need to leave stage
bright garden
sac + void fields
dull rampart
Sacrifice also makes Void Fields OP
bright garden
and the artifact zone
dull rampart
Infinite enemies with no timer increase
raw hemlock
Oh god
Yeah
Void fields are already kinda op since its a bunch of free items and experience
And without it you can get infinite experience
tulip nimbus
Me with 84 stacks of warbanner 😎
raw hemlock
Has anyone figured out how to properly use bandit? He seems to have a pretty high skill cealing with some op looking combos and abilities
light rover
Has anyone figured out how to properly use bandit? He seems to have a pretty hig...
In my experience, mobility is non-negotiable on him.
ember heart
Has anyone figured out how to properly use bandit? He seems to have a pretty hig...
if you're using no alt skills, you'll have to stay at close range and constantly weave in and out of melee range
raw hemlock
No duh
Hes built like a twig
Hes like artificer level fragile but with less mobility
ember heart
what
ember heart
Hes like artificer level fragile but with less mobility
he's not less mobile than artificer
raw hemlock
Sorry, didnt mean to come off as rude
tulip nimbus
Hes not that squishy lmao
raw hemlock
he's not less mobile than artificer
Is he? Im used to seeing artificer mains like floating around the map staying like ten miles off the ground
ember heart
that's vertical mobility, and they take it at the cost of flamethrower, half their damage
raw hemlock
Fair enough
ember heart
if you're traversing the map as bandit, you spam stealth whenever it's up
free movement speed
raw hemlock
Hes not that squishy lmao
Im a multi main so im used to having like 300 health at level one instead of like 150 or less
ember heart
also try to reset it on wisps when you can
in combat, your stealth is essentially the most important part of your kit
if you don't stay close enough your damage is really low, but the closer you are the more and more stupid high your damage gets, you have to use stealth to survive being that close tho
dawn hatch
Speaking of Mul-T I literally laughed when I saw its alt-R for the first time.
raw hemlock
It seems like if you can get a decent amount of healing on him, you get to do a lot of damage, since you stay close a lot
ember heart
Speaking of Mul-T I literally laughed when I saw its alt-R for the first time.
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I love it
raw hemlock
Speaking of Mul-T I literally laughed when I saw its alt-R for the first time.
It actually looks busted except for the fact that you lose your second equipment as far as i cna tell
ember heart
It seems like if you can get a decent amount of healing on him, you get to do a ...
all you need is a shark tooth or a med kit for healing
tulip nimbus
Also smokebomb is just op honestly its got like no cooldown and gives 2 extra hops
raw hemlock
Im ready for double minigun and then get max crit chance and harvesters scythe
raw hemlock
Also smokebomb is just op honestly its got like no cooldown and gives 2 extra ho...
Bandit in general has like no cooldowns
ember heart
smokebomb and serrated dagger are so fucking good together
raw hemlock
Even his r which reset cooldowns only has a four second one
ember heart
you clear crowds instantly
dawn hatch
It actually looks busted except for the fact that you lose your second equipment...
I have the worst luck with finding equipment drops on the first loop, so I am honestly fine with dual nailguns doubling damage output on demand.
One day I will be strong enough to dual-wield saws. One day.
ember heart
MUL-T alt special sounds like it may be slightly worse, but it's defo more fun
ember heart
you lose a lot of versatility
raw hemlock
Nailgun procs anything way too much, even with a low coeficient
ember heart
being stuck with one primary unless you go turret mode
raw hemlock
True
But you can get mobility to make up for turret modes lack of it
And then just stay in turret mode for the most part
ember heart
that's why i said only slightly worse
raw hemlock
Yeah
Really depends on what items you get
I like running a full crit build with a bunch of harvester scythes for healing with the minigun
ember heart
double minigun is hilarious but your early game is oof
raw hemlock
So with easy double fire rate with some extra tank it just seems great
safe copper
is it possible to dual wield two different primaries?
raw hemlock
212 armour blocks two thirds of damage
raw hemlock
is it possible to dual wield two different primaries?
Two of the same or different ones works
I mean, idk about two of the same, im just assuming
safe copper
or will it always force you to dual wield whichever primary is set as the first one? with the alt special
I know you can do 2 power saws with the alt special
steep summit
uhhhh
raw hemlock
I think the second primary you gain is whatever you set his second primary to
safe copper
but could you do like nailgun + rebar dual wield? I feel like it would be kinda awkward to fire both at once
raw hemlock
I did that actually
For half a second
It is awkward, but you can just spam them
Also, the extra tank seems insane
ember heart
the extra tank is insane but you need some items to back it up
raw hemlock
You go from 11% damage resistance to almost 68%
ember heart
your early game is overall a bit rough, but you have an good mid game with decent items
idk about lategame tho
raw hemlock
Can you even use transport mode in turret mode?
ember heart
transport cancels turret
raw hemlock
It has to be insane lategame
safe copper
ah okay
ember heart
It has to be *insane* lategame
post-looping
you really don't wanna just stand there and go pew
raw hemlock
With two miniguns you can proc a hilarious amount of items
raw hemlock
My idea would be stack bears, max crit, and harvester scythes
ember heart
you can't always guarantee your items
raw hemlock
Oh sure
ember heart
it CAN be op
raw hemlock
If you arent using command, then you just gotta hope
ember heart
but it won't always be
raw hemlock
Yeah
It seems more specialized then normal multi
Normal multi does good with any items
ember heart
more specialized and more fun overall, wherein the other one is more reliable and versatile
raw hemlock
I havent found time for a full run of alt r sadly
ember heart
I only did heretic and bandit so far
raw hemlock
Is heritic like another new survivor?
ember heart
you transform into heretic if you get all 4 heresy items
raw hemlock
Ahhh
Strides of heresy is a hilarious lunar item to me
Because you just enter spectator mode with enough of them
And if you have nukahanas, you can still do good damage
ember heart
afk strides is always a fun build
but if you plan on going heretic, one stack is enough
agile hull
Guys what do you prefer, bandit's shotgun or rifle?
tulip nimbus
Shotgun is way better
ember heart
shotgun, rifle is currently garbage
raw hemlock
Visions of heresy is awful to use imho though
So i probably wont touch heritic too much
ember heart
@raw hemlock i found the best balance of lunar items for heretic is one of each heresy item, 1 purity and 1 corpsebloom
ember heart
Visions of heresy is awful to use imho though
heretic's kit is actually pretty functional with itself, it was fun
raw hemlock
Corpsebloom?
tulip nimbus
Visions is great on heretic because of ruin
raw hemlock
If you dont loop, getting 6 lunar items including four specific ones seems insane
tight creek
The new changes to the final stage are absolutely ridiculous I feel, might be a skill issue but christ
raw hemlock
I think the only way youre getting that is going to newt like 5 times
glass plinth
empathy cores sound pretty nutty on multiplayer.
ember heart
I think the only way youre getting that is going to newt like 5 times
you can reroll newt now, remember
glass plinth
especially when considering the fact that nearly everyone will get a core if it drops
raw hemlock
I love how the grandparent item just seems like an egg shaped medkit
raw hemlock
you can reroll newt now, remember
Really?
tulip nimbus
Yes
ember heart
yeah, starts at 1 iirc, doubles with each reroll
raw hemlock
Can the empathy cores drop from the one you summon by breaking eggs?
tulip nimbus
Yea I thought it stopped at 8 so I used 16 more without noticing
glass plinth
the secret boss? I don't know.
ember heart
it doesn't stop lol
tulip nimbus
Yea I wish I woulda known lol
glass plinth
they drop a red. I assume solus unit is what you want.
ember heart
F
glass plinth
nah its from solus control unit
ember heart
but even if looping, corpsebloom on heretic is nice
since the excess healing will remain stored and deny your rapid hp loss
and her max hp is so high that she can work with it
and corpsebloom is generally good with strides
valid oasis
Is heretic separate from just a character with lunars?
Does it change your character skin or something?
raw hemlock
Apparently using tonic causes him to lose more hp
safe copper
Ha i guess that makes sense
pine oxide
Tbh I'd just run transcendence with her
It works pretty well with her hp bonus too
Easily can get to 10k without too many lunars
raw hemlock
Transcendence seems cool but having a lot of items become useless doesnt seem good
pine oxide
Free scrap
Its an upside 😎
glossy sand
I’m fairly sure transcendence kills her instantly
ember heart
it does
glossy sand
Because the negative health regen skips your shield and just one shots you
pine oxide
I used her with transcendence
ember heart
🤔
pine oxide
Maybe I got lucky idk
safe copper
lmao
raw hemlock
A lunar item instantly killing a lunar focused character sounds amazing
glossy sand
I had her not taking negative regen late in a run when I became her so idk, a bug I assume. Or I just constantly out healed her regen
ember heart
maybe with knurls?
pine oxide
That could've been what happened to me
glossy sand
I don’t think I had one ¯_(ツ)_/¯
raw hemlock
Transendence + aegis sounds insane
ember heart
not quite
safe copper
oh i legit thought you were trolling
ember heart
transcendence render %hp healing kinda garbage
so you'd need lots of flat healing stacking
aka scythes and seeds
alpine cedar
i did the thing and got the skin
raw hemlock
My main source of hp is from scythes most of the time
pine oxide
You'd need a lot of scythes yeah
ember heart
congrats
raw hemlock
So i can just do that and then become immortal
alpine cedar
final stage was very stress
ember heart
stage is stress, but mithrix phase 4 is now a cakewalk
pine oxide
It is an impressive amount of health and barrier if you get it running though
alpine cedar
when phase 4 took my gestures i suddenly got 16 afflictions
ember heart
that's drugs catching up to you
raw hemlock
when phase 4 took my gestures i suddenly got 16 afflictions
And you survived?
alpine cedar
yes
raw hemlock
Good god
ember heart
yeah can still use the tonic during phase 4
alpine cedar
i hid like a coward
raw hemlock
Isnt that like 75% hp?
alpine cedar
and peeked and used my r move
raw hemlock
And even more move speed?
alpine cedar
i basically couldn't move
ember heart
did you not pop tonic on phase 4?
you can kill mithrix within those 20 seconds pretty quickly
alpine cedar
i would've once i got my crowbar back cuz im scared of that thing but i got gestures and didn't get the chance
alpine cedar
yea i probably would've died without the changes
tulip nimbus
I agree, ass eater
alpine cedar
its much harder but much more fun
vocal grove
i didnt expected it lol
ember heart
The reworked and new enemies are so annoying and i love it
the fucking machine gun golems tho
alpine cedar
yea perfected elites do their job
vocal grove
i played it for the first time and mitrix oneshoted me ❤️
alpine cedar
being an unkillable terrifying being
ember heart
it's still funny that you can just skip the whole thing
alpine cedar
the perfected elites are harder than mithrix imo
vocal grove
the perfected elites are harder than mithrix imo
i dont know what they do
raw hemlock
Just decided to go for a run with Bandit
ember heart
Problem is one perfected hits and cripples you, then his 20 homies start raining fire on your ass
raw hemlock
Got a red from a chance shrine first stage
So its poggers time
Any good reds or should i just grab rejuv?
alpine cedar
i dont know what they do
they are all shield, have a bunch more hp, and cripple you on hit
alpine cedar
so basically they have like 10 transcendences and cripple
ember heart
Any good reds or should i just grab rejuv?
rejuv+aegis would be a good combo to go for
ember heart
just grab aegis before nkuhanas
raw hemlock
Those three go together so well
ember heart
remember that if you play well, you don't even need to get glasses
just get the scythes
silver plover
i would've recommended Shattering Justice on bandit (assuming you're running shotgun) because it applies the armor break instantly
alpine cedar
speaking of bandit, they have some really fun movement tech
ember heart
i think early on, he needs the survivability more than the damage
they're still on stage one
alpine cedar
cloaking gives a small double jump and so does coming out of it so you can use the dagger to cancel it at anytime without canceling sprint
ember heart
and bandit do be staying pretty close
ember heart
cloaking gives a small double jump and so does coming out of it so you can use t...
triple jump actually
alpine cedar
yea going in and out gives you a boost
ember heart
you can jump once, cloak, and then cancel cloak to jump again
pine oxide
You can use it to fly
pine oxide
Glad it did something more than just a stealth
alpine cedar
dagger also cancels any downwards momentum and it cancels cloak without stopping your sprint
ember heart
yeah
cloak and dagger are amazing for clearing crowds
combine with lights out resets for tankier/bigger crowds
alpine cedar
the stun is really good
you can deal with golems really easily early on
cloak, get behind them
ember heart
you can kill golems in less than a full rotation
alpine cedar
stab then put all 4 shotgun shots into them
ember heart
you can 4 shotgun prior, get behind and stab then just lights out
alpine cedar
and if nessecary use lights out
ember heart
i just think it's good habit to use it often
raw hemlock
Whats a good equipment for bandit?
tulip nimbus
Crowdfunder
ember heart
extremely
tulip nimbus
Extremely
raw hemlock
alpine cedar
has predatory always been floppy on models or is that new
ember heart
always has been
raw hemlock
Its been around since before this most recent update at least
alpine cedar
i never noticed that before
exotic robin
I just realized if you combine the grandparents boss item (planula?) With the hellfire lunar equipment you just get free healing and dps when you use it
silver plover
combine that with razorwire and...
exotic robin
desert pollen
when is the update coming to console please i love this game but i don't have it on computer
formal kite
I'm in the same boat, it should comout in a couple months. Though we dont have sundered grove yet so idk
valid oasis
New model
Triple jump
Is she hot tho?
blazing lagoon
im looking for a reason to use shiv but dagger is his only aoe without items
ember heart
shiv is lowkey bad
valid oasis
I just realized if you combine the grandparents boss item (planula?) With the he...
You ever tried helfire tincture with razorwire?
blazing lagoon
shiv is lowkey bad
it helps in scenarios where u can't reliably get close to ur target, like mithrix, but smoke bomb heavily negates the need for that
ember heart
dagger combos with cloak for clearing crowds, and you already get close to proc cloak stun and damage, and to land shotgun better, shiv feels pointless
ember heart
it helps in scenarios where u can't reliably get close to ur target, like mithri...
you can dagger mithrix pretty consistently, it's just more punishing if you mess up
blazing lagoon
you can dagger mithrix pretty consistently, it's just more punishing if you mess...
his dash won't directly land on you if you're invisible and close to him, but his slam could fuck it up
ember heart
you need some movement speed, but assuming you save your cloak for daggering, you should be fine
cloak gives enough movement, and you should dagger him as he slams
so he doesn't pull a nothing personal and teleport behind you then oneshot
blazing lagoon
even without glasses it lasts 15 seconds, so it should be a reliable chunk of ur dps
ember heart
assuming you have decent sustain to heal the occasional hits from his dashes, you'll be fine staying toe to toe with mithrix
blazing lagoon
so the only debatable loadout is probably lights out vs desperado
blazing lagoon
id assume both works, but they're not the main part of his kit, like you can already cycle 4 shots->smoke bomb->dagger without it
agile hull
Are soldier syringes of any use for banit?
blazing lagoon
Are soldier syringes of any use for banit?
atk speed speeds up dagger and m1 reload
ember heart
id assume both works, but they're not the main part of his kit, like you can alr...
lights out allows for more liberal use of dagger and smoke bomb when dealing with bigger crowds mostly
blazing lagoon
iirc it also speeds up r?
ember heart
atk speed speeds up dagger and m1 reload
wym dagger reload?
blazing lagoon
wym dagger reload?
grammar, im saying it speeds up left click reload
ember heart
oh yeah
but back to the alts, i think the special is a matter of preference for the most par, but i honestly think lights out is slightly better
shiv doesn't compare to dagger when it's less damage/crowd control and the range is irrelevant since you already stay close for cloak and shotgun anyways
blazing lagoon
i think they should do more loadouts like bubble vs harpoons and flamethrower vs ion surge
ember heart
i mean the alt secondary and primary are basically safe longer range options for bandit
but at the cost of damage, it's
ember heart
it's more difficult to hit enemies in the back the further away you are
ember heart
Alternate r, but what does it do
gains 10% damage for each execute, doesn't reset cooldowns, the stacks reset on new stages
pretty sure it has a longer cooldown than lights out as well
blazing lagoon
time to unlock them both in a run
ember heart
you don't gain 10% damage btw, only desperado gains the 10% per stack
ember heart
time to unlock them both in a run<:happiesttroll:790347758732050463>
good luck, don't band mithrix
tulip nimbus
More like desperadoesn't do anything better than lights out
blazing lagoon
More like desperadoesn't do anything better than lights out
not a very good pun but probably true
tulip nimbus
Desperadon't
valid oasis
Agreed
safe copper
Infinite flying 
alpine cedar
i did do them both in one run and im lucky i didn't band him
junior meteor
If you beat the game as Heretic do you get him as a playable character?
ember heart
nope
you have to get all 4 heresy items to play her
i suppose they added the newt rerolls to make that less tedious
blazing lagoon
If you beat the game as Heretic do you get him as a playable character?
u unlock a survivor log
junior meteor
Yeah I was just wondering since I haven't beat the game as them yet
blazing lagoon
idk about heretic's interaction with cleansing pool yet, it's probably possible to revert to the original survivor
deep rune
I dont get how bandits R is good at comboing when its animation takes so long, is there something I am missing? looped once but his "combos" still feel clunky and I mainly just shotgunned, R, invis, repeat
dull oasis
I'd rather bandit's alt R stack between stages and scaled slower ngl.
blazing lagoon
i don't even have pearl log unlocked
ember heart
I dont get how bandits R is good at comboing when its animation takes so long, i...
attack speed speeds it up
dull oasis
R is for cleanup from my experience, you jump into close range, slicey slicey, shootey shooety, stealth out
and then clean the crowd with your R
junior meteor
Yeah once I realized Desperado doesn't stack between stages I shoved it to the side.
dull oasis
stealthing in between so they can't do anything to you
deep rune
also what is up with my drones literally picking me up and pushing me around and just slamming into me all the time?
dull oasis
I think bandit would be cooler and slightly more balanced if backstab was like, attacks from stealth deal 2x damage (distinctly not critting)
blazing lagoon
I think bandit would be cooler and slightly more balanced if backstab was like, ...
that'd be op
deep rune
they used to never do that, blocked so many of my R shots since my own drone just flys into me
dull oasis
that'd be op
ARe crits at 2x?
dull ingot
idk about heretic's interaction with cleansing pool yet, it's probably possible ...
heretic transformation is irreversiblr
if you somehow lose your heresy items (either by cleansing pool or shrine of order) you will just lose ability that correlated with the item you've lost
deep rune
but the way you worded that makes it seem like you could crit on top of that @dull oasis
blazing lagoon
heretic transformation is irreversiblr
if you somehow lose your heresy items (ei...
poor original survivor
dull ingot
ARe crits at 2x?
crits are 2x
ember heart
heretic transformation is irreversiblr
if you somehow lose your heresy items (ei...
mithrix can't steal the items, no?
dull oasis
but the way you worded that makes it seem like you could crit on top of that <@9...
that'd be the intent, but it would be a single instance of a damaging skill per use of stealth
rare thicket
poor original survivor
Don't touch zombie birb.
deep rune
@dull oasis so you press R on anything and it dies out of stealth
dull ingot
mithrix can't steal the items, no?
he can't
deep rune
24x damage on R with crit with what you are saying
dull oasis
if you have 10 crit glasses? probably
I'm saying that I don't feel like backstab really has the flavor of it because it's too easy to proc, and doesn't really feel bandit-y to me with how it works right now
ember heart
yeah i have to agree
dull oasis
I think it doesn't help that the definition of behind is so loose
ember heart
this one fights more like a bandit
ember heart
I think it doesn't help that the definition of behind is so loose
how come?
dull oasis
I just wish there was more incentive to weave skills together
blazing lagoon
you already have
ember heart
there is enough incentive to weave your cloak, dagger and 4 shells into an enemy's back
blazing lagoon
you empty ur shotgun, steal and run to the back to the enemies and slash them
ember heart
and then empty shotgun again
dull oasis
I guess my feelig is that I wish bandits gameplay lines were more dynamic
ember heart
he does feel dynamic tho, how well are you utilizing cloak?
dull oasis
I mean in the sense that there are about two useful skill orders to use
tepid wolf
The only issue is that the default R has a bit of a long animation
dull oasis
Like bandit isn't a bad character, bandit is strong
I just do not have to think much while playing cause uh, the play lines are pretty simple
ember heart
I just do not have to think much while playing cause uh, the play lines are pret...
that depends on what you're fighting
blazing lagoon
he's strong but probably not as strong as 
and 
simple lava
I feel like Bandit just doesn't do well at range, and the alt M1 isn't even good at range cause of the rapid fire inaccuracy
Might as well just take the shotgun and slow tap for about the same damage
Other than that, Bandit feels cool
dull oasis
does bandit even have that much ranged damage falloff?
ember heart
if you're using shotgun yes
simple lava
On the shotgun, there is noticeable falloff, but it's still better than not hitting with the rifle shots
tepid wolf
The rifle is generally not worth it
dull oasis
yeah rifle is sad
I wish rifle was higher damage and more accurate, but reloaded slower.
tepid wolf
Still less damage than shotgun though
dull oasis
more like, a uh, rfle.
simple lava
If it was pinpoint accurate, and maybe had more base damage, rifle would be better
maybe six rounds instead of four over the base damage
Better than it is*
dull oasis
Point blank shotgun should absolutely outdamage rifle, no question.
but it shouldn't also be better at long range lol
blazing lagoon
i would really like another mage character
dull oasis
utility mage....
dull ingot
simple lava
I always hit my M2 with Bandit when I'm trying to hit further out enemies on accident
Forget that Bandit doesn't have the ranged M2 like just about everyone else
blazing lagoon
2 wake of vultures bruh
dull ingot
ikr
blazing lagoon
I always hit my M2 with Bandit when I'm trying to hit further out enemies on acc...
shiv exists
dull oasis
okay but you know what feels great? getting four extra clips and then ust cosplaying an imp into a crowd of enemeis
simple lava
Yeahhhhhhh, but it's not quite as good as the standard
makes Bandit's crowd clear much worse
blazing lagoon
bandit has lepton daisy on his hat? that's cool
dull oasis
okay I'm gonna try and make the rifle work
simple lava
When I used it, things were going pretty decent, at least up until I was sitting on top of a Vagrant and shooting it, and then it blew up with the tiniest sliver of health left
woulda killed it if I had the shotgun...
dull oasis
yeah all the bossses are so big rifle isn't helpful lol
halcyon pulsar
Hey, guess what?
mossy garden
yes?
why are you pinging me with something i said 3 months ago?
i read patch notes
halcyon pulsar
It all happened. Aurelionite can spawn 4th phase and mythrix was given dialouge with him.
mossy garden
yes i know
halcyon pulsar
literally just found this out
polar anvil
frenc what if i ping you with a year old message
mossy garden
im gonna lose it
polar anvil
okay,how about coop instead
drowsy gust
anyone know whats up with the survivor in the logbook?
polar anvil
ok
polar anvil
anyone know whats up with the survivor in the logbook?
heretic
drowsy gust
is it something we can unlock?
polar anvil
not particularly
dusky cairn
whats the argument for loader being overpowered
drowsy gust
so did they leave it in on accident or something lol
dusky cairn
seems like a common opinion
polar anvil
whats the argument for loader being overpowered
its not an opinion its a fact
dusky cairn
yeah but why
polar anvil
yeah but why
high af damage,mobility,basically cant die
upbeat ruin
one punching bosses is probably part of it
tulip nimbus
Desperado mid
dusky cairn
one punching bosses is probably part of it
if killing bosses is seen as such a powerful skill, why do people think ap bullets are so bad
polar anvil
no they arent
upbeat ruin
it is just a example for how much damage she deals
dusky cairn
yeah
upbeat ruin
same applies to elites and whatever.
upbeat ruin
eh I play her a bunch, never found it that hard
just need to learn how to grapple and you understand the whole character
tulip wadi
Console players be like 
ebon lily
What does attack speed do for bandit?
upbeat ruin
Helps his reload apparently
lusty tree
desperado bandit with 3 purity is so good
frosty flint
Has anyone encountered the perfected elite and if so what do they do and when do they come in
dull ingot
Has anyone encountered the perfected elite and if so what do they do and when do...
||only lunar chimeras can spawn as perfected elites
they have additional attacks, inflict cripple on hit and their whole hp bar consists of shields||
frosty flint
Damn
steel yoke
hey has anyone else been having a problem where their logbook isnt working??
dusky cairn
desperado bandit with 3 purity is so good
nothing with 3 purity is good
dull ingot
says the guy that thinks loader is hard
frosty stream
worth
echo matrix
What the fu k
paper path
so with the new update to engi turrets and them holding an equipment
of you picked up gestured of the drowned
echo matrix
Wake of vultures is only worth 1 white that's such a good deal
paper path
will it work?
dull ingot
of you picked up gestured of the drowned
it won't
echo matrix
so with the new update to engi turrets and them holding an equipment
Does not work
paper path
dang it
upbeat ruin
Hey I'd trade quite a few reds for three whites depending on character
echo matrix
Only use is idol or essences
paper path
that kinda stinks but understandable
frosty stream
Yooo I can scrap my clover for a syringe
upbeat ruin
lol
frosty stream
Is this an official thing, though?
upbeat ruin
Dunno
frosty stream
I mean I know a lot has changed in the update but I gotta ask
echo matrix
I'm gonna trade happiest mask for 3 bison's
dull ingot
Is this an official thing, though?
it is
flat bloom
hey dudes
frosty stream
hello
flat bloom
alot of people are talking in the other chat so im posting lemurian in this one
frosty stream
that is good
dull ingot
upbeat ruin
That poor clover :(
dull ingot
at least now they'll take 15 damage less from any attack
echo matrix
That image deals psychic dmg
upbeat ruin
Really helpful for mithrix smites
Though unironically that would be nice for the flying chimera
echo matrix
Do you think mithrix knows what an iPhone is
Could you just play music on your phone and freak him out
winged nimbus
I kinda wish that mastery challenges instead of giving you new colors they would give you a entirely new model
dull ingot
I kinda wish that mastery challenges instead of giving you new colors they would...
most of them do
echo matrix
Most of 'em kinda do now
upbeat ruin
They are subtle but it's there
echo matrix
Maybe not rex or captain but I'm p sure everyone else is a model change
winged nimbus
Wait really? I guess I was just unlucky with artificer being my first
echo matrix
Artificer got changed this update
upbeat ruin
She just got one in this update
echo matrix
Looks way cooler
winged nimbus
Console
upbeat ruin
Ha nerd
winged nimbus
What does she look like now? Do you have a pic?
dull ingot
give me a sec
winged nimbus
Thanks man
dull ingot
echo matrix
Look she has boots now
upbeat ruin
That visor is badass
echo matrix
New robes are just mwah
upbeat ruin
Wish there was better lighting in the character select
winged nimbus
Holy shit that looks amazing I can't wait to get the update
upbeat ruin
Hard to see details sometimes
winged nimbus
Yeah I'd be nice if you could also turn your character around
glossy sand
Anyone mind making a list of the before and after skins for this update? Most of the skins I can’t tell a difference on (besides huntress obviously)
meager tide
what is the "bomber" character? my profile stats say i've played 2 games with them, but all the other characters are accounted for and i've never played any modded characters
winged nimbus
Yeah i wanna see more pics of the alt skins
shrewd jacinth
Anyone familiar with the strat to get Loader's new R?
meager tide
vengeance artifact in bulwark
upbeat ruin
Go to the bulwark and plug in the vengeance artifact code
dull ingot
Anyone familiar with the strat to get Loader's new R?
go to the ambry by using vengeance code
upbeat ruin
Punch the shit out of the phonies
shrewd jacinth
And that's all?
upbeat ruin
Yup
dull ingot
complete the trial obv
shrewd jacinth
Seems reasonable
shrewd jacinth
Time to speedrun Drizzle
modern ether
you can do loaders challenge with swarms on, each loader still counts but they have half hp
and you dont have to get the 3rd key
blazing lagoon
okay I'm gonna try and make the rifle work
what happens when you kill a perfected chimera with 
?
hollow plinth
I'm sad that bird up doesn't have an official role
meager tide
anyone have any idea what's going on here? i've never played any modded characters, and every basegame character already has their own slice
cerulean sedge
I mean, it’s a unfinished character in the game files
But you probably already know that
I’d say probably just an error/bug on the games end
And it says you’ve played it twice
I don’t suppose you ever have?
meager tide
nope, and it couldnt be ||heretic|| because i've only ever had them once, and the stats dont remotely line up with while i was them
dull ingot
there seems to be a bug with teh stats screen poping up really weird characters
Ive also seen 2 bandits, enforcer, twip twip the devotee
meager tide
yeah, it just seems a bit weird to me since its got such specific stats it seems odd for a bug, though i cant think of any other explanation
dull ingot
old bandit and enforcer are unfinished in the files, I think bomber is an unfinished character too if I recall
idk how the hell twip twip ends up poping in
meager tide
isnt twip twip one of the scavengers from a moment whole?
dull ingot
yes lol
cerulean sedge
Yup
dull ingot
ive never seen bomber before. Most people seem to get enforcer or 2 bandits from the screenshots ive seen personally
meager tide
i was diving into the files earlier to savescum the new unlockables, and i saw that it looks like just about every "character" has its own stats, including monsters, so i'd assume its somehow related to that
dull ingot
well yeah. monsters have 'abilities' and such. You can technically play as like, almost anything
cerulean sedge
There’s mods that allow you to play as monsters
heady shard
I didn't have my supply beacons when I went to Commencement as Captain. Does anybody know why?
dull ingot
I just wonder whats kicking around in the files thats making things not tagged as survivors pop up
cerulean sedge
I didn't have my supply beacons when I went to Commencement as Captain. Does any...
Commencement is in a different realm
dull ingot
Because bandit enforcer and bomber are all survivors, twip twip is not
cerulean sedge
Along with many other locations
dull ingot
captain should have his beacons on commencement, theres an entire unlock based around it
cerulean sedge
The supply signals come from your ship
heady shard
I need to use one for captain's alternate special.
dull ingot
Commencement is on the moon, not a hidden realm, you should have ur beacons on it. I did that unlock like last night
you spawned with them already used?
echo matrix
Commencement is in a different realm
Not true it's literally just to the ships left
cerulean sedge
Yeah, I realized that
I completely forgot where Commencement was
Thought it was in a moment whole
dull ingot
Follow up, in the bug reports pc channel it appears other people have had this happen
shrewd jacinth
Alright, NOW is there any secret strat to the REX R unlock? 1000 health in 1 heal sounds like...a lot
dull ingot
captain spawning on commencement with no beacons. so its some kinda bug
meager tide
i just looked back into my playerdata file, and its even weirder than i thought
Bomber is not the only unplayable character with stats, i also have stats as Vagrant, Wisp, "Mega Drone" (tc280 i assume), Magma Worm, Squid Turret, and Titan,
all of those show non-zero playtime stats
shrewd jacinth
i just looked back into my playerdata file, and its even weirder than i thought
...
How do you play as Squid Turret?
meager tide
i havent
remote wren
Alright, NOW is there any secret strat to the REX R unlock? 1000 health in 1 he...
infusion + med kits + rejuv
torn relic
Alright, NOW is there any secret strat to the REX R unlock? 1000 health in 1 he...
Use 
and 
dull ingot
I did it with infusion , a rejuv rack, and an exotic fruit
shrewd jacinth
Huh
dull ingot
with command of course
shrewd jacinth
I might be able to pull that off in just a regular multiplayer lobby then
meager tide
did they buff infusion? it seems like it'd be even worse now, since Bison Steak is basically just a better version of it since you dont need to get 100 kills to get the full effect
dull ingot
My logbook is normal besides having enforcer
ive played with the enforcer mod though. So that makes some sense.
shrewd jacinth
did they buff infusion? it seems like it'd be even worse now, since Bison Steak ...
You'd also have to get 4 Bison Steak = 1 Infusion...
meager tide
sure, but its a common vs uncommon so 4:1 is pretty much even
dull ingot
lol according to my stats ive somehow won with all 12 survivors
but only played with 11/12
meager tide
yeha it seems like the logbook is just plain buggy. seems like it sometimes randomly takes stats and puts them on different characters
dull ingot
its weird just enforcer shows up though. I have also played modded bandit, and modded miner
also modded sniper, and none of them show up. Just enforcer
craggy cloak
meager tide
its weird just enforcer shows up though. I have also played modded bandit, and m...
my guess for that would be that enforcer has dedicated stats in the basegame files, so it shows up without any issue
dull ingot
lol my times picked has hand show up
meager tide
does run history only show up to 12 runs?
foggy widget
no lemdog reacts
meager tide
yo hold up
dull ingot
I wish I could play stone titan
not as impressive as my 1 hand run. Considering I have never played a modded hand. xD
deep rune
why are my drones surrounding me like this now? its super annoying, is this a bug or intended behaviour?
dull ingot
Dang 45 minute run as lesser wisp . And I think it's because of their improved pathfinding and ability to teleport to you if they get stuck / too far
upbeat ruin
Yeah it's just the improved pathfinding being overzealous.
deep rune
I mean they just crowd up super close whenever I stand still, regardless of them teleporting
they have literally prop shoved me so far so fast before
like yeeted me out of the map
upbeat ruin
New speedrun strats
dull ingot
The drones are in charge of the run now.
deep rune
but yea I got the sprinting boss item at like minute 20 lol, super lucky drop cus I got golden portal on stage two after being able to get 10x bleed items as well
upbeat ruin
Ngl it feels like it sometimes
Those guys can actually carry their weight now
It feels weird
deep rune
what do the interactable pillars do on the final stage btw?
upbeat ruin
You need to do 4 to get up to the big guy
silver plover
they're required to get to mithrix
deep rune
ah and the red one I assume is to summon him?
silver plover
no
deep rune
o
silver plover
you just do any 4, and then jump pads activate
upbeat ruin
Never saw a red one
silver plover
red is pillar of blood, it charges super fast but drains your HP while it does
deep rune
upbeat ruin
Ah
deep rune
gotcha
upbeat ruin
I like the lil twists as much as some are annoying
The shrinking one with the kamikaze chimera is pain.
dull ingot
The pillars just all charge slightly different. You just have to do 4 of em
lucid birch
I was wondering, aside from triple jump does the Heretic have any other unique passive?
upbeat ruin
negative health regen.
lucid birch
It would be fun if in monsoon it would be slower the rate since HP regen is halved
Does the Heretic improves any ability?
It felt like the shadow ability was stronger with Heretic
blazing lagoon
scream, vermin
drowsy rivet
funny
blazing lagoon
i was gonna unlock this one
upbeat ruin
scream, vermin
Does bandit even have organs? Hard to tell if dude is a robot or a cyborg.
dull ingot
His log mentions Hes wearing a suit
So he's at least partial human
blazing lagoon
he is human
dull ingot
I think captains the only one who's explicitly stated to have cybernetics
deep rune
just get little disciple and the fight is easy mode lol
also captains passive is op as hell, since I stacked drones and they lived due to captain passive they were able to make the steal item phase easy since they just gave all my items back fast as hell
I was only in rainstorm tho
uncut jewel
Does bandit even have organs? Hard to tell if dude is a robot or a cyborg.
i mean, they have 2 eye"holes" ontop of another
deep rune
was showing a friend the game and guess I just got one of the best runs I had ever had
lunar ether
random question about bandit
does anyone know if his r ability goes through stages or is it only for that stage
deep rune
stage by stage
lunar ether
gotcha
deep rune
assuming you mean the alternate R
lunar ether
yeah
deep rune
it resets every stage
uncut jewel
also is it believed that mithrix made the stone collosus and the lunar constructs?
deep rune
otherwise you would actually just 1 shot mithrix when you vs him
uncut jewel
otherwise you would actually just 1 shot mithrix when you vs him
wait you dont do that already?
deep rune
@uncut jewel yea I think him and his brother made the entire world (and commencement), but he killed his brother after his brother told him to stop making scuffed creations
dull ingot
Commando from ror1 killed mithrixs brother. With his sick 9 mils
dull ingot
His brother trapped him on the moon due to. Disagreements
uncut jewel
ahhhhhh ofc the two dragonlord was their brother,
explains why you can find their SWORD on the moon now
deep rune
mithrix was the one that was creating stuff while his brother was the brains behind the operation though right?
dull ingot
And in the time between that and finding mithrix some dude who just wanted to go home mrdered his brother with guns and 10 crit glasses
upbeat ruin
from my understanding the whole dynamic was that they could only truly create by working together
dull ingot
You have it swapped. Providence was the builder. Mithrix was the engineer
uncut jewel
And in the time between that and finding mithrix some dude who just wanted to go...
typicall really
so Providence made the world and Mithrix added the creatures?
upbeat ruin
and providence loved lesser creatures while mithrix couldn't really give less of a shit.
mithrix didnt really care for things like free will
dull ingot
Well. No. They Both woke up on a dead world. Providence had this obsession with saving doomed species from other world's.
uncut jewel
ah that explains why so many species dont really work for this planet
dull ingot
Hence all the random stuff on the planet. Mithrix didn't really get it and unknowingly pissed off providence. So when they built a portal to escape the planet ( by first going to the moon) . After mithrix went in providence destroyed the portal
And since mithrix is bad at actually building shit he couldn't get off the moon and kinda lost his marbles up there alone
uncut jewel
ahhhh
upbeat ruin
his brother was a sociopath with a major god complex and the power to back it up
he knew letting him get out would be BAD
uncut jewel
so providence is actually the bad person
upbeat ruin
nah hes the good guy
dull ingot
Mithrix isn't a good guy. Don't get me wrong. Providence is also kind of a clown tho
upbeat ruin
fair
dull ingot
Providence died because he wouldn't let some random dude go home. XD
uncut jewel
but why would mithrix talk to their brother when he was on the moon? was they delutional? or did they visit before providence destroyed the portal?
dull ingot
Mithrix wanted to leave the planet . Providence wanted to stay
upbeat ruin
there is something about a third being greater than even them but im still fuzzy on that part
dull ingot
Yeah we don't know exactly what that is . We assume ts nkuhanah or whatever
upbeat ruin
she taught them how to work their powers i think
dull ingot
But all of the designs on the planet like the teleporters were madE by providence. But designed by mithrix
uncut jewel
the item descriptions
dull ingot
Log entries
upbeat ruin
item and level descriptions mostly
dull ingot
Also knowing the stuff from the first game helps a lot
upbeat ruin
^
uncut jewel
it does
dull ingot
And the first games log entries
uncut jewel
but didnt providence have a sword in the first game?
lone mantle
so is heretic not unlockable? just acheivable thru lunar stuff mid run?
upbeat ruin
yup
lone mantle
he had two big worms :)
uncut jewel
was it like a giant claymore looking thing?
dull ingot
Yeah. That's how mithrix pissed him off
uncut jewel
i cant remember
dull ingot
Mithrix was throwing wurms into a gravity well to see what would happen when they were young
And providence saw him do it
dull ingot
And instead of talking about being upset providence trapped him on the moon xD
lone mantle
heretic strong as fuck tho beat mithrix first try
upbeat ruin
lunar items have most of the lore between the two of them
dull ingot
Effigy of grief is right after mthrix realized what providence did
And over time you can see mithrix just totally lose his mind stuck on the moon
lavish kettle
I'm gonna appear down here and ask if anyone's felt like the enemy spawn rates have gone completely off the rails after the update
uncut jewel
oh right the lunar items are made by mithrix aswell
upbeat ruin
not particularly, but ive only had time for like 4-5 runs
lucid birch
Seems there is a way to start your run as Heretic actually WoW
This is cool as hell
dull ingot
Most of them. Not every one is made by him. But a lot are. Newt made some too for example.
upbeat ruin
an official in game one?
lucid birch
an official in game one?
Yes
lone mantle
Seems there is a way to start your run as Heretic actually WoW
This is cool as h...
how?
dull ingot
And yeah the lunar item logs have a lot of mithrix / providences lore .
lavish kettle
Like I've been getting insane amounts of everything in just the first third of easy on drizzle and it's really just kinda unfun getting attacked by 200 wisps in the first 5 minutes
uncut jewel
I mean in my oppinion it seems like providence wanted to uphold NATURAL beuty and evolution, while Mithrix looked at the world as more and mere materialistic, everything are just components
tepid wolf
Also Mithrix considered everything inferior
dull ingot
I mean providence kept saving dieing species and trapping them on a planet they couldn't leave. So.
lucid birch
how?
So if you play As Heretic and die or finish the game, as soon as you enter back the character selection screen you will see your abilities replaced with a different tool tip
You are invisible, if you start right away you can start as "heretic" and seems you can get back your abilities with a lunar pod on stage 1
tepid wolf
I mean Provi even wanted to save humans at one point
uncut jewel
I mean providence kept saving dieing species and trapping them on a planet they ...
i mean trapped and trapped
brought rather maybe?
lucid birch
dull ingot
Also mithrix didn't seem to be as evil at first either. He never cared a lot about providences random aliens but the utter hatred and contempt for them seems to have happened after being stuck on the moon
tepid wolf
When you are stuck there for so long and by your brother it makes sense that you can go a bit nuts
uncut jewel
Also mithrix didn't seem to be as evil at first either. He never cared a lot abo...
to me it kinda seems like providence brought stuff to the planet, and then mithrix took them appart and build his own things with them, i mean the Lunar Constructs that fly, looks to be made of wisps
lone mantle
does that loadout go away after you close the game
i didn't see it when I had the chance
lucid birch
does that loadout go away after you close the game
It seems like it
lone mantle
shit :/
lucid birch
You have to play Heretic back to back to back if you wanna start the run as her
dull ingot
In fact the early logs specifically state there being no malice in mithrixs actions. " But they were just kids. And he just wanted to understand " is what it says in the wurm log
lone mantle
i think theyre a they .... nb shorty
uncut jewel
what even is heretic?
deep rune
this is how mithrix was able to mess around with the main world even after he was sent to the moon, yea?
lone mantle
what even is heretic?
bird
dull ingot
Mithrix was sending lunar items down yeah. Providence would execute anybody who messed with them
lucid birch
what even is heretic?
Secret survivor
lone mantle
Secret bird more like
lucid birch
She looks like Shrieker from Darkest dungeon
dull ingot
Of course by the time beads of fealty were showing up on the planet mithrix seems to have long since lost his marbles
lone mantle
heretics pronouns are they/them 😌
uncut jewel
this is how mithrix was able to mess around with the main world even after he wa...
ah so this is from the inhabitans IE the more intelligent lemurians or parents or even maybe some of the metallic boyos
lucid birch
heretics pronouns are they/them 😌
Uh weird, in the lore it's referred as she
uncut jewel
i mean the lemurians CAN actually write
lone mantle
REALLY
lucid birch
Yeah and she has a name as well
dull ingot
Yes heretic is a she in the logs . Wacky.
lucid birch
Oh yeah cuz it's you and the Heretic in 1 body @lone mantle
dull ingot
The log says her name too. Providence executes her for trying to leave the planet
lone mantle
damn there IS some deep lore huh ....
dull ingot
Because providence is a clown and his solution to things wanting to see space is to execute them for. Reasons.
uncut jewel
"purity is just a D20 with inverted faces, change my mind
deep rune
Of course by the time beads of fealty were showing up on the planet mithrix seem...
you might say the beads of fealty were his marbles he was sending down 😏
lucid birch
Makes sense no?
dull ingot
Providence is the cause of providences problems like 99% of the time
uncut jewel
purity is actually a d20 with inverted faces holy shit
lone mantle
that's actually pretty cool, i think I made these assumptions bc i just saw this as a method to unlock a new character and not like a fusing of two people
deep rune
this is mithrix going insane lmao
lone mantle
altho i wish she COULD be unlocked...
uncut jewel
this is mithrix going insane lmao
makes sence
dull ingot
Could have talked to his brother instead of banishing him to the moon randomly. Could have not crashed the contact light . Also the heretic is still "dead" .
deep rune
is "She" their mother in that lore entry btw?
uncut jewel
i kinda find purity's entry very sad
lone mantle
no cute heretic mastery skin :/
uncut jewel
wait isnt also some of these entries written by the newt master?
dull ingot
Her limbs are still malformed and twisted. Her eyes are still missing. So on. That's why you constantly lose hp. She's living on borrowed time
lucid birch
purity is actually a d20 with inverted faces holy shit
Yeah that's why it gives negative Luck 
dull ingot
And yes some lunar items were made by newt.
uncut jewel
fascinating aint it?
silver plover
is "She" their mother in that lore entry btw?
it's unknown. some think "she" refers to nkuhana
uncut jewel
And yes some lunar items were made by newt.
no not made, but written
lucid birch
no cute heretic mastery skin :/
Maid Heretic
lone mantle
honestly the lore is cool but the sense of mystery and strangeness that the lunar items had when the game was first released... chefs kiss
uncut jewel
EY "the heretic III
deep rune
@silver plover ah I see, possibly the boss for ror3 🤔
lone mantle
poifect
lucid birch
tall grotto
The n'kuhana lore bits seem to point to some connection between the brothers and her
silver plover
<@!140472150481043457> ah I see, possibly the boss for ror3 🤔
I doubt the devs are thinking that far ahead with the lore
dull ingot
My favorite log is that " a demon with 100 red eyes " descended from the heavens and killed providence
uncut jewel
dull ingot
Which sounds bad ass until you realize it was just commando with a shops worth of lense makers glasses xD
lone mantle
i feel like ror2 has so much beef and quality that it'll last VERY long and maybe ror3 will never happen
uncut jewel
wait do you get heretic by having all heretic items?
deep rune
also so can you actually unlock the heretic as someone you can choose to play as from the start now? or is it still only by getting the four items as another suvivor
silver plover
also so can you actually unlock the heretic as someone you can choose to play as...
she is not unlockable, sadly
silver plover
wait do you get heretic by having all heretic items?
yes
lone mantle
also so can you actually unlock the heretic as someone you can choose to play as...
only 4 items mostly but apparently there is a way to kinda intiate her from the start of the game
lucid birch
wait do you get heretic by having all heretic items?
Yup
But can't unlock permanently
uncut jewel
damn im slow to the påarty
dull ingot
Remember all the heratic did was want to leave the planet lol
lone mantle
its so good
lucid birch
I prefer the hat ngl
uncut jewel
Kur-Skan The heretic eh
dull ingot
And they took out her eyes and turned her wings into scythes and broke her legs and cut her into 4 pieces and scattered her across the moon
Providence is a totally reasonable dude
lucid birch
uncut jewel
also hooks of heresy is litterly a birbarm so yeah no i getya there
lone mantle
WAIT WHAT ARE THE DIFF TAGLINES FOR???
lucid birch
Fun fact she's stronger on Moonsoon Lmao
uncut jewel
wat
dull ingot
Vanished ?
lucid birch
WAIT WHAT ARE THE DIFF TAGLINES FOR???
Title for the Doppelganger artifact
lucid birch
Vanished is for When you go into the celestial portal
dull ingot
Idk what vanished means. Does obliterating get a unique line for heratic
uncut jewel
oh right essence of heresy is her heart isnt it?
dull ingot
I've seen the beating mithrix line. Didn't know about the obliterate one. And yeah essence is her heart. Vision is her eyes. Strides is her legs and hooks is her wings
lone mantle
im still miffed abt the lights out on mithrix challenge
dull ingot
It's annoying that procs don't count it ya.
lone mantle
howre u supposed to do that at stage 6 or whatever when u have all these procs
high torrent
I obliterated today and didn't see any lines, it just says fate unknown on the end screen after you press the button
lone mantle
ya!!! i s2g i did it right and i didnt get it
uncut jewel
basicly some of the lunar items are made by mithrix, some are litteral bodyparts whom probably the newt gathered and a few are either misc or the heretic's belongings
lone mantle
I obliterated today and didn't see any lines, it just says fate unknown on the e...
maybe heretic only?
dull ingot
I did it by specifically doing a command run with no proc chains on drizzle lol
steep nebula
Did you know that if you kill mithrix with lights out while you have bands, the bands will technically kill him and you won’t get the achievement
high torrent
howre u supposed to do that at stage 6 or whatever when u have all these procs
purity builds
lone mantle
Did you know that if you kill mithrix with lights out while you have bands, the ...
that's so fucking dumb lmfaoooo
steep nebula
Yeah
lilac rune
i hope there's a fix for the achievements soon lol
steep nebula
The bands will kill him
lone mantle
i STILL dont have the merc prismatic one
dull ingot
Purely crit and bleed. One band. And I only used lights out when he was so low bands wouldn't kill him
uncut jewel
pfffffffff
high torrent
and that's why old modded bandit is superior
uncut jewel
merc prismatic suuuucks
lilac rune
i like the ingame one better tbh
lone mantle
so fucking dumb
dull ingot
The merc prismatic one is just waiting for a good seed then checking the pris trials channel
lone mantle
seems SOMEWHAT possible with artificat of glass
uncut jewel
id rather have a merc: dont use your m1 for 2 stages
dull ingot
Theres people who post vids of them doing the trial no hit to copy
steep nebula
Theres people who post vids of them doing the trial no hit to copy
Cabbage mostly
dull ingot
Yeah usually you want a trial with arti of glass for it
deep rune
@high torrent good thing you can still play with the old modded bandit, they didnt remove it from the game
uncut jewel
i mean i like this bandit
lone mantle
this bandit is RLLY fun imo
high torrent
<@356491326339940354> good thing you can still play with the old modded bandit, ...
yeah, just waiting for moff to update it
lone mantle
i dont like his m1 alt
uncut jewel
i really like em, altho their gun reminds me of the MASTIFF from Titanfall 2