I wouldnt knock it at all, its a solid b-tier item but you have to know what youre doing
#gd2-nullified
golden jungle
crimson garden
It's not that, it's just since I play mods, I gotta be extra careful about what's around me. Lemurian can have missle launchers or shoot a million balls of fire by time I see em
high torrent
i still don't get how i beat them once on loader
but one thing is true, it took me forever
high shoal
loader is the best character in the game.
trim cradle
Genesis loop is amazing. Maybe I just like it so much because my memories of getting it have usually been as Acrid and he's probably the second most agile character, but activating a 93% blood shrine and just leaping into the sky to obliterate every enemy in the area is always funny. Second best yellow item for sure.
Even as less agile characters that have a harder time surviving at low health, either you see its effect, or you would've died even without it.
tired axle
did you just call genesis loop the seconds best yellow item?
buoyant lynx
To quickly sum up Genesis Loop:
Yes, its effect is potent, but the activation condition means you're already dead anyway, and players good enough to not get hit never have a use for it because of its activation condition. Just scrap it and hope for a Overgrown printer or something.
tired axle
militech would be a red printer
buoyant lynx
Oop, wrong one
tired axle
overgrown is for yellows
high torrent
just scrap it and forget (eclipse ptsd incoming)
buoyant lynx
I don't think Eclipse or the Mithrix bossfight should be considered when talking about the viability of an item in general play
trim cradle
did you just call genesis loop the seconds best yellow item?
Because it is.
tired axle
no
buoyant lynx
Oh boy, an argument with one of the most well-known technical players on the server, NotWithor.
tired axle
shatterspleen, molten perferator, little disciple and mired urn are all better
trim cradle
Mired urn is awful. And yes, shatterspleen is good, that's why I said second best.
high torrent
Mired urn is *awful.* And yes, shatterspleen is good, that's why I said *second*...
in multiplayer yes
buoyant lynx
Mired Urn is decent. It's only mildly annoying in Multiplayer unless you stacked Focus Crystals or other damage items.
high torrent
wait, does urn kill barrels on rallypoint?
tired axle
shatterspleen is bleed + a stronger willowisp, molten perf is a stronger atg with aoe, mired urn is insane healing, and little disciple is often just a second primary dps wise
buoyant lynx
Meanwhile, Genesis Loop is an item promoting getting hit and brought down to low HP - Which is something you shouldn't be doing unless you're playing REX.
And even then, REX would probably be better off staying above 50% HP
trim cradle
Mired Urn is decent. It's only mildly annoying in Multiplayer unless you stacked...
Well I mostly play the game for the multiplayer, so...
Plus it completely nullifies both queen's gland (which is awful enough already) AND halcyon seed by making them attack you instead of anything else.
tired axle
genesis loop can only really be safely procced in early stages, unless maybe as rex
buoyant lynx
Even then, proccing it as REX in later stages can be a bad idea
tired axle
true
trim cradle
Meanwhile, Genesis Loop is an item promoting getting hit and brought down to low...
It's not promoting it, unless you're smart enough to turn blood shrines into free time bombs. That'd be like saying the hourglass item from the first game (forgot what it's called) promotes getting to low health because it stops time when you do. It's simply there to be a safety net in case you do. Except genesis loop isn't just a discount dio's, and still requires surviving for an extra few seconds for it to save you.
buoyant lynx
A safety net that, when used in later stages, normally means you're dead anyways.
tired axle
it's a safety net that does nothing in a lot of cases
trim cradle
When you say later stages, that doesn't really tell me a lot. Do you mean stage 8+? 4 and 5? 3? Because if we're talking looping, then sure, but a lot of items sort of lose usefulness if you loop instead of going for Mithrix. Not saying it doesn't also lose its usefulness on commencement, but this is the Mithrix fight we're talking about, that's a given.
Also how is doing 6000% damage to every enemy "nothing"?
tired axle
cause you die before you can proc it on later stages
later stages referring to 5 and onwards
maybe even 4 sometimes
brisk gale
GL is good with monster
But for the player other than rex
you'll die before it can even explode
buoyant lynx
Before you mention OSP, OSP rarely saves you past the first loop or something
And it does have a limited range. Meaning that little Brass Contraption that's sitting just on the edge is more than enough to finish you.
tired axle
how big was the aoe again?
trim cradle
There may be times when you would've died anyway, but you can't tell me you've never gotten below 1/4 health and survived by simply being smart. Again, maybe a big part of why I like it as Acrid is because getting out of danger with him is easy as hell, but getting below 1/4 health isn't guaranteed death, or else that last 1/4 of your health wouldn't exist.
brisk gale
its like whole map
tired axle
radius?
buoyant lynx
Radius not noted on the wiki
brisk gale
wiki said it
tired axle
so we don't know if it refers to radius or diameter huh
trim cradle
I would probably guess radius, as it says that's its range, implying it hits enemies 100m away.
buoyant lynx
Or it covers a total of 100m
trim cradle
Though they could've just worded it wrong.
tired axle
yeah, so about 2 teleporters
trim cradle
It's a wiki afterall, so who knows.
tired axle
the explosion for vagrant seems to have a 100m radius, so it's probably fair to assume it's the same for loop
buoyant lynx
Sounds reasonable.
tired axle
nvm, found it
buoyant lynx
So, radius of 100m
tired axle
yes
trim cradle
Interesting. Where'd you find this? I know next to nothing about modding/datamining this game, so I'd love to know.
Also "minRadius"? Like you can be too close for it to do damage, or...?
I mean it probably hardly matters since the vagrant's model is so huge, but I'm still curious.
tired axle
actually, i'm not sure if that even was the right attack, it's damage coef says 1.0 so that would be 100%
trim cradle
Is that not right? That definitely seems to be the genesis loop's stats.
tired axle
this one is for vagrants nova
trim cradle
Oh you meant the first thing (and damage coef instead of proc), ignore that, then.
crimson garden
From some help earlier, did find out teleporter zone is roughly larger than a gl zone. TP is 120m (found via sniper mod)
half wyvern
right mods exist
tired axle
From some help earlier, did find out teleporter zone is roughly larger than a gl...
wait, is that not on the wiki yet?
summer terrace
120 diameter right
tired axle
god, i did not realize how terrible the tele page is
summer terrace
wtf? lol
crimson garden
wait, is that not on the wiki yet?
Never saw anything on size, yeah. I was messing with Cloudburst and was trying to figure out how many mechanical trinkets (+3m to the zone) I'd need to counteract 3 convergences.
Couldn't find any info so I that's why I had ended up pinging you the one day I was told you'd have been away.
tired axle
right, charlie tested it for you
raven lichen
😎
west mural
galaxy brain play is to use self-inflicted fall damage from jumping off the map to trigger the nova 
merry karma
and die 😔
trim cradle
You say that as a joke, but I'm trying it now on command and it's pretty effective.
slow condor
jumps off the map
teleports
takes fall damage
instantly gets hit by some sort of lingering damage or aoe attack
game over
trim cradle
Well it's obviously not smart to do it when you're burning or when a vagrant is charging its own nova.
trim cradle
It is a little bit annoying when I jump off the cliff on the highest side of sundered grove and the game, in its infinite wisdom, decides the best place to teleport me is underground.
cobalt turtle
whats the Red item method in the new-ish stage 5?
foggy widget
if you're asking about getting a red on stage 5, there are no legendary chests or special bosses for stage 5
the only things that are special there are the artifact teleporter and the primordial teleporter
normal rose
Can someone help me get to the obelisk?
uncut hatch
desert quest
Imagine using GD2
tame perch
How to get environmental logs ?
dry rampart
How to get environmental logs ?
In ordinary worlds, they rarely spawn automatically, in the form of a broken meteorological satellite on the ground.
In unusual worlds, they always have the same spawn location (which is on YouTube).
buoyant lynx
How to get environmental logs ?
As Killy said above, environmental logs will occasionally spawn in the form of broken radio scanners, which you'll need to seek out and repair. As for Hidden Realms, they spawn as a book in the same position, always. The wiki contains their locations.
dry rampart
Can we collect all the data now? I remember earlier at 4-2 and 4-3 it was impossible to find the log.
buoyant lynx
Huh?
keen crescent
You couldnt get sundered grove if you already had abyssal depths
normal rose
Can anyone help me get to the Obelisk on Drizzle?
languid pasture
Can anyone help me get to the Obelisk on Drizzle?
If you’re still willing later tomorrow I can play on Switch and PC
languid pasture
What do you play on?
normal rose
PC
languid pasture
Alright, my computer isn’t the greatest so it might be a bit laggy, or not work at all. But I can try.
normal rose
ok
summer terrace
Keep sucking gd2
merry karma
fluid notch
Horn
brave relic
Horn
sweet copper
horny
high torrent
look at the ball of the sawmerangs
sly ravine
thanks for the fantastically drawn red arrow and circle
high torrent
im proficient in paint, no problem
fluid notch
Based
narrow gate
gd Ɛ
summer terrace
ඞd2
merry karma
no
distant cape
Dose acrids poison trigger shatturing justice?
foggy widget
idk if poison/blight has a proc coeff
distant cape
Ok then to the wiki i go
dull ingot
Dose acrids poison trigger shatturing justice?
no
buoyant lynx
Debuffs in general are unable to proc stuff, save for Death Mark
dull ingot
well it's not really proccing
buoyant lynx
true.
tired axle
Debuffs in general are unable to proc stuff, save for Death Mark
They don't proc deathmark, the hit after applying 4 debuffs does
sand garden
Trying to get commandos alt skin on a dry run but I might have to get the command artifact
edgy siren
damn that hurt. i should have just obliterated. also yes, absolute 4k isn't it
sand garden
Tactical dive or slide?
sand garden
Is it the same as dive but you can shoot?
buoyant lynx
No
It allows you to slide while firing, giving you extra speed, and you can jump at the end of the slide to maintain momentum
when used in the air, it essentially acts as an extra jump
sand garden
oh ok
buoyant lynx
In a nutshell, it's Commando's mobility skill
sand garden
ah
torpid inlet
But doesn’t dive give you invincibility frames, I thought for a little while that made it better.
brave relic
dive doesn't give invincibility frames
and it still wouldn't make it in general better than slide
it would atleast give dive some certain situations where it would be good, but overhall slide would still be the better choice
buoyant lynx
Dive did give Commando iframes in RoR1, but that was before slide was a thing.
Now iframes won't really do much compared to what slide has to offer
Commando's base kit served him well in RoR1, but it did not translate very well for RoR2
merry karma
all alt Mando is the usual
autumn cipher
altmando
shy saffron
🙏 It’s perfect 🙏
brisk gale
nice
dry rampart
🙏 It’s perfect 🙏
How did you discover the captain's drones?
dry rampart
Oh, TY.
brisk gale
np,now good luck
shy saffron
Yeah if you kill a captain umbra with only microbots in your inventory he's guaranteed to drop it
sand garden
I just cant obliterate on monsoon with commando, lol
narrow gate
It’s not easy
sand garden
oh yeah, ik that
glass plinth
Honestly out of all the survivors, arti and commando have been giving me the most issue, but I have not completed Rex or merc yet, so there’s that.
glass plinth
I’ve been running it for a while, but I’ve decided to swap back to flamethrower.
Honestly it’s just refreshing to actually proc on hits more consistently.
At the same time, running ion surge makes purity an easy pick.
foggy widget
with arti, i had to rely a lot on rng because i ran flamethrower and didn't have lots of mobility
glass plinth
Blast shower is OP
glass plinth
Not even kidding, if you get enough band stacks and a few blast shower charges, you can melt any teleporter boss in about 12 seconds
I had 2 fuel cells and 3 runald bands, killed the stage 4 and 5 bosses in a few seconds
Lost the run cause I lost my only quail printing the bands, but I would have died that stage anyways so
buoyant lynx
Blast Shower is only OP if you have bands. But if you do, oh boy
glass plinth
you don’t know how strong bands are until you proc em 3 times in 4 seconds.
buoyant lynx
Precisely.
chilly nest
Who made 
?
I love it
slow condor
noone made it
it appeared
keen fractal
"Risk of Rain: Just dont get hit"
ember heart
Is that the name of the upcoming DLC? 
forest gull
Mini Mushrums are just nasty. I can't deal with them.. you get hit by them and the gates to hell open wide.
sand garden
Just don't get hit
forest gull
... well obvious and obviously this is a bad advise.
brave relic
there is actually not many tips for the mini mushs
you just have to pay attention to the sound, ground or your health bar and start moving away from the fungal pools
and you obviously don't want to stay still in Sundered Grove or Sky Meadows because of the mushrooms
ember heart
Just try to not run back into the same direction you came from if you know there's mushrums around, not much else to it
brave relic
unless you saw yourself the mushrooms bombs coming to the position you were in
ember heart
I love it when a mushruk snipes me midair
brave relic
mushrooms are like, the supreme support tower
they're so easy to deal with alone because they have a long telegrafed attack
ember heart
Got hit by malachite mushroom projectile midair once, ded
brave relic
but they do so much damage, either by the fungal pool or the hit itself
ember heart
Pretty sure it was aiming for a drone too
fluid notch
Funni shrum
merry karma
right one better ok
wind hearth
... well obvious and obviously this is a bad advise.
More like the best advice ever, cause you follow that 1 rule and youll never lose :)
forest gull
More like the best advice ever, cause you follow that 1 rule and youll never los...
Meh, it's like saying: "Just breath and you won't die."
While true, it doesn't reflect the whole problem.
forest gull
I'm not serious. Just saying.
wind hearth
Hmmmmm sounds pretty serious to me dude
ember heart
People are usually salty after getting oneshot by something, "don't get hit" just adds more salt, not specifically anf but everyone really
forest gull
It never was a real question to begin with. No question mark and all.
I wanted to vent some steam, that's all
wind hearth
Goddamn youre deeping this
merry karma
yeah cool
just look around and prioritize them while dodging elder lemdogs spawning behind you ok
forest gull
Plus Mofassa is right here too.
Like I said, it wasn't meant to be this long elaborate discussion. Just a little rant about them.
fluid notch
Just be good
brave goblet
Is discussion of mods allowed here? Specifically builds for modded characters?
tired axle
probably
errant mural
maybe its a long shot but seeing steam multiplayer for risk of rain 1 would be so nice
ember heart
Setting up the ports can be a hassle but otherwise, the multi-player in that game functions fairly well
merry karma
visionsPurity
supplier
candid acorn
sand garden
Commando Cody
summer terrace
boba Fett cooler
wind canopy
dead chat xdxdxdxdxdxd
summer terrace
take it back
wind canopy
no
languid thistle
Commando Cody
That's Fordo
sand garden
The Artifact of ||Command is behind the oblisk right?||
fluid notch
no
high shoal
glass
sly ravine
society
sand garden
command commando build?
narrow gate
10 daggers a fuck ton of eukes atgs, some goat hoofs
distant cape
Also atrack speed, crit and molten perfs
sand garden
Perm Tonic with commando, love it
ember heart
Jesus forgive me please+soul bound catalyst is fucking bonkers
brisk gale
its pretty cool,yes
ember heart
I completely forgot the effect on catalyst is on kill
brisk gale
its good on Lg and long butt cd equipment
ember heart
I wish aspects were good
They're so cool, but a single wake of vultures after looping makes them irrelevant
And even without it, they don't really do more than what most equipment does lategame
Would be cool but also op if they gave the hp and damage multipliers of said elites, but with some sort of penalty
Given their shitty drop chance
brisk gale
zetaspect
ember heart
If equipment CDR made aspects more potent, that would honestly also work
dull ingot
Given their shitty drop chance
they're easter eggs, of course they have small drop chance and not-so-great effects for players
ember heart
So they were just put there for the sake of it?
tired axle
well, they existed as items for enemies with no way for the player to get them, so the devs thought it might be cool if elite enemies had a low chance to drop them, as a bit of an easter egg
ember heart
I see
tired axle
but now everyone just complains about them being bad
ember heart
I still take them for fun
tired axle
they are pretty fun, that's what they're intended to be
ember heart
Can always just scrap the 500 fuel cells lmao
tired axle
although ifrit's and silence are really good of some characters
ember heart
Commando silence
hybrid vine
which one is the overloading one
tired axle
silence
hybrid vine
that ones super fun
ember heart
Do their effects proc on attacks with no proc, like poison?
I never got one on acrid
tired axle
and, captain's primary goes from 960%dps to 2160%dps
ember heart
I like that the drop chance is affected by clover
tired axle
mult's saw goes from 1000%dps to 3000%dps
like, seriously ifrit's is so good on fast attackers
ember heart
Ifrits and silence are generally good, it's the rest that are underwhelming
tired axle
definitely
ember heart
Does the effect from aspects stack with wake of vultures?
tired axle
nope
ember heart
Rip
Most of the time I find an aspect I already have a wake of vulture cause that thing has like a 90% chance to drop from red chests
tired axle
well, at least the aspect can give you permanent uptime for that effect
though you do lose out from the occasional heal if you have overloading + wake
ember heart
You do more or less have permenant uptime after looping
But later into the game it's all malachites
And Celestine
tired axle
yes
ember heart
So I can see it being useful then
Altho by that point you honestly stand still and wipe the map
tired axle
also in super lategame it will only be elite scavs, which don't actually have an aspect
ember heart
Elite what now
tired axle
elite scavengers
ember heart
That's a thing?
tired axle
they get the stat boost but not the aspect
ember heart
Huh, is that why they sometimes take forever to kill
Any indicator of them being an elite tho?
tired axle
which is why lategame is full of scavs, even though overloading worms are more expensive at their base
tired axle
Any indicator of them being an elite tho?
nope
ember heart
Late game is scavs and malachite bosses
I haven't bothered going past that, it starts to get boring
tired axle
yeah
i only really know about this from testing some weird ultra lategame stuff
also some youtuber asked about it some time ago
ember heart
Does it still eventually stop spawning things?
tired axle
yes
tired axle
but it happens extremely late
not sure if it's even possible to reach on regular runs
ember heart
Probably possible, just would take forever
tired axle
yeah
last meadow
Is there ever anybody on ps4 chat
dull ingot
Everyone has ps5 now
dull ingot
No bec Sony evil capitalist system and wants everyone to buy ps5
last meadow
God well f@&# them
last meadow
Yer probably not rong
dull ingot
Well with ps3 and PS4 it was like that so idk
last meadow
They thanked psplus from game benefits to you need to play online
merry karma
well the prices can range from "ok" to "move rn"
last meadow
Changed
lunar dust
pain
i was going to afk farm in the void but it gave me shrooms and bigboi wisps and i dont have razorwire anyways
so now i gotta put effort into my item grinding
fluid notch
Ok
latent field
do you guys have any advice for mithrix on merc
i have been playing too much of this game man i finally got to mithrix today and i just got shit on
how the fuck do i do this
i just want my alt skin maaaaan
brave relic
base merc is basically just bullying mithrix with eviscerate
you usually don't use your M1 and M2
alt Merc is literally like, you just use your special
slicing winds takes care of mithrix
also if you want to get the alt skin, you can also obliterate
you need to just kill mithrix, you have the option to choose
latent field
do you think obliterating is safer than going for mithrix stage 5
buoyant lynx
Obliterations are generally always safer
brave relic
Mithrix can be easier if you're like, used to him
by example, I'm used to defeating mithrix since I do eclipse
high shoal
mithrix is very unpredictable if you haven’t fought him a lot
brave relic
I could prob create a new profile, get the alt skills for a character and go monsoon mithrix
latent field
yeah i just got to him for the first time on monsoon today
high shoal
some times he just swings at air then destroys you with a big hammer swing
sand garden
high shoal
fixed
sand garden
Gone, reduced to atoms
latent field
oh nyoo
lunar dust
Tried to go back and got kicked out bc my tesla coil activated lMAO
sand garden
lol
lunar dust
i can't sprint, i oneshot malachite void reavers, and the game is so confused that the Aurelionite I picked up around stage 6-ish tries to kill me during the tp event
i just,,, click the teleporter, read the title to know what spawned, blink, and everything is dead
i should make it to 100 ez
the only reason I can't just stand still on the teleporter is void reaver explosions. ive become God
opaque socket
Friendly mobs will attempt to kill you if you damage them with an Urn, Tincture, or Meteorite
lunar dust
ah that explains it then
opaque socket
Not that they can
lunar dust
i have an urn lmao
opaque socket
That would be it then
lunar dust
i know it would be fucking idiotic to try Mithrix at stage 100 but i'm tempted
then again i have,,, like,, 40+ shields and 2 tesla coils. bad idea. very bad idea 💀
lunar dust
yeah with the amount of shit i have, i doubt he'd get a chance to yoink my items anyways
i also just remembered i bought beads so like i kind of have to obliterate now
no stage 100 mith flex today lads
uh oh. im on stage 29 and nothing is spawning. guys i broke it
things now only exist during the teleporter event! im on my way to true godhood 👀
sand garden
sand garden
lol
youre here on stage 45 on monsoon with huntress, while im still trying to obliterate, lol
high shoal
lol
lunar dust
I can sprintjump to the outer island on rallypoint delta
high shoal
negative money is a sign of god run
lunar dust
yeah it's been dipping in and out of negative since about stage 40 and im at 53 now lmaO
lunar dust
Alright lads, shit is at NEGATIVE HEALTH now
buoyant lynx
Yeah, saw is powerful as hell once you get used to it
And since you're on PC, you can install the Scrap Launcher mobility mod to jump around the map and market garden everything with the saw
arctic hare
lol
might mod it at some point
At this point im playing demoman and charging at big enemies
i also try to always get a crowbar so that the charge can 1shot little enemies
lunar dust
negative drones lets go
sand garden
I wonder if your health bar can go to negative and still be alive
high shoal
it’s called dying
sand garden
yyoooo, thats crazy, never knew that, thx
high shoal
ik I usually don’t share my INFINITE knowledge with underlings like you today I’ve been making exceptions
sand garden
Then whats 2 + 2 then, if you have "INFINITE knowledge"
high shoal
Then whats 2 + 2 then, if you have "INFINITE knowledge"
33 dumbass
sand garden
33 dumbass
Shiiiit you right
lunar dust
FUCK
i might be softlocked in the twisted scavenger fight lmao
alright
SO! my game broke so hard that it spawned 2 different scavengers (wipwip AND twiptwip) and it was literally impossible to damage either of them. their health just WOULD NOT decrease
latent field
ggs
high shoal
F mega
lunar dust
this is the actual session time (game clock doesn't count hidden realms so)
latent field
was your pc lagging bad at any point in the run?
i feel like it'd be demanding to have a run that long
lunar dust
There were times when i'd hit Q to smack something with one of my 39 royal capacitor charges and it would instakill then set off a chain that caused a massive frame drop
In some of the later stages I just alt-tabbed into Discord and let the game run in the background so I wouldn't have to experience the lag lmao (surprisingly nothing killed me while i was afk)
latent field
damn dude
lunar dust
there were also points where i could hear my laptop fan getting louder (through a headset and loud rock music)
empty falcon
Jesus Christ, what stage?
lunar dust
Somehow, even this didn't hurt my computer as much as The Sims 4 (which once managed to kick itself up to 98% usage of my gpu)
fucking reshade
lunar dust
Jesus Christ, what stage?
idk, it was a blur after about 50
empty falcon
a 9 hour run my god
high shoal
man I can barely get past stage 20 on console without ceasing
lunar dust
that's what you get for playing console
high shoal
man
empty falcon
i would get bored after 2 hours
high shoal
my longest run has been 10 hours with loader
empty falcon
those are some pog frames lmfao
lunar dust
I got bored around 45 but I was like "Fuck it I've come too far to stop" and I was just outright TIRED by 60 but sunken cost fallacy go brr
empty falcon
what console?
empty falcon
o h
high shoal
I have no clue why my switch didn’t cause a nuclear explosion
lunar dust
i am so thankful I was powerful enough to straight up AFK towards the end because holy fuuuuuuck my fingers hurt
high shoal
doing it with huntress on monsoon is wayyyyyyy more impressive
lunar dust
swarms and sacrifice lmao
I would've done command just to make it even more memetic but i felt like it would cheapen it + that combo makes it counterintuitive at a certain point because it's more work than it's worth to select and grab items
high shoal
oh SOWRAM and SACRIFJVE?????? YOU ARE WOTST PLAYER TS GEVERU YOU OLAY TEH BJSRO GMAE HOW YOU WNAT???? WHST!!!!!!!!!!! B
lunar dust
lmao
I can understand the command hate but people just be bitching about people using any artifact for any reason smhhhh
like if it wasn't meant to be used, why is it in the mf game?? checkmate, purists 😎
high shoal
I think my run was 605 mins long
sand garden
I just got blasted by a bunch of golems
high shoal
man
sand garden
Which do you guys think is better, huntresses first primary or second
fluid notch
strafe feels better
tired axle
it depends
high shoal
I don’t like huntress so I can’t say
tired axle
for long runs flurry is better, for 6mm i always go strafe
calm blade
yeah same i like captain and mercenary
sand garden
ok
blazing lagoon
So CUM will probably add: alt utility for mul-t and merc, alt secondary for captain, and alt special for loader and rex
autumn cipher
C.U.M is almost here babey
tired axle
could be another alt primary for mult
brisk gale
CUM!
CUM!
CUM!
tired axle
also, for rex i know of 3 unused abilities: one named sonic pull, which was probably just an inverse of his stock utility, one named create pounder, which was most likely some sort of alternate special, and one named burrow in/out accompanied by a burrow dash
blazing lagoon
Would be great if captain gets an alt secondary but most of his power is in his primary, tazer doesn't really matter
tired axle
yeah, that's kinda the main reason why i don't think it's going to happen, tazer is pretty bad so the alt secondary would have to be similarly bad
it would probably just be boring and not be worth the effort
i'd much rather see him get like an alt utility, could be like an orbital laser
blazing lagoon
If he get's a mobility skill it wouldn't match his role, so probably a alt utility that has more aoe?
mellow mango
probably an alt utility that has less AoE
tired axle
the aoe for probe isn't that big
i'd love to see him get like some huge death laser that deals damage in a big area
summer terrace
rap doesn't give armor
high shoal
huh
summer terrace
repulsion armor plate
tired axle
yeah, it probably should give like 1-2 armor on top of its effect
wouldn't be too crazy early game, and allow it to scale better for lategame
summer terrace
the world if risk of rain 2 had actual defense items and didn't rely on shit loads of healing for survivability
merry karma
replusion armor plate plate ing
summer terrace
yes
torpid inlet
I agree, it is useless late game
blazing lagoon
if only there are % or flat dmg reduction for green and red items
sand garden
Finally obliterated on monsoon with huntress
plain briar
congrats
latent field
guys i cant do this shit anymore
as i was going through the celestial portal
i died
1 whole hour of my life gone
and still no alt skin for mercenary
so much pain
buoyant lynx
oof
foggy widget
get lucky
some runs just ain't it, other runs go for 30 stages
if you made it to the celestial portal, then you're doing something right
it's also okay to take a break, I personally burnt out easily and don't play for like 2 weeks
buoyant lynx
As I've said before, Mercenary revolves around his combos to reset cooldowns. Combining your M1 and M2 is your bread and butter for combos (unless you use Rising Thunder, which is gonna screw up a lot of combos). Your Shift and R are your safety nets (I'm under the assumption you don't have Slicing Winds)
sand garden
rng
latent field
is slicing winds the default one?
buoyant lynx
is slicing winds the default one?
No, the default one is Eviscerate
Slicing Winds you get from completing the ever-infamous Ethereal achievement.
latent field
ah okay then i dont have it
hybrid vault
the prismatic trial rn is pretty good for getting ethereal if you're on pc
sand garden
👀
sand garden
Aye, got Ethereal!
buoyant lynx
Noice
sand garden
This one took me a couple of tries
sand garden
Damn malachite elder Lemurian came out of no where and killed my good run
dull ingot
What if risk of rain has an animated series?
what if you stop asking it in every single channel?
frosty dirge
dead chat (xd)
brazen jackal
Acrid for smash
More good bois
dull ingot
Loader, more speeb
dull ingot
Commando for smash
hybrid vault
mithrix for smash
tired axle
missile drone for smash
dull ingot
Lemurian for smash
high torrent
why you wanna smash things so much
hybrid vault
squid turret for smash
high shoal
beetle for smash
dull ingot
Elder leumarian for smash
tired axle
why you wanna smash things so much
do you even know who i am?
dull ingot
Jellyfish for smash
high torrent
do you even know who i am?
you're not ghor, this is what i know
tired axle
that is correct
high shoal
man
summer terrace
man
tired axle
man
high shoal
man
brisk gale
keen parcel
sand garden
dull ingot
x 3
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brazen jackal
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brazen jackal
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dull ingot
Honestly if you get one gesture of the drowned and like 10 fuel cells they are unkillable if you take forgein fruit
high shoal
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foggy widget
latent field
brazen jackal
merry karma
gd2
sand garden
yes, This is game discussion 2
sand goblet
🪚 🪃
sand garden
mild grotto
hybrid vine
sand garden
night drift
sweet copper
gd2
sand garden
Yes this is game discussion 2
brave relic
gd2
sand garden
Yes this is game discussion 2
mild grotto
gd2
sand garden
Yes this is game discussion 2
dull ingot
gd2
sand garden
Yes this is game discussion 2
mossy garden
gd2.5
simple sand
best item get it right
dull ingot
gd2
brave relic
2dg
latent field
2 discussion game is this Yes
buoyant lynx
geometry dash 2
Everyone talking about Silksong never coming our and I'm just here waiting for Geometry Dash 2.2 update:
sweet copper
risk of rain 1 update when
buoyant lynx
risk of rain 1 update when
RoR1 is "finished" and thus won't be touched by the devs anymore
sweet copper
"finished"
buoyant lynx
I'm not actually sure if it is or not, but seeing how it's been untouched for years now and the creation of the second game, I'm assuming it is.
sweet copper
cant wait for risk of rain 2 to be realeased on 2018
buoyant lynx
On the other hand, you could just mod RoR1.
pearl mantle
merry karma
I'm not actually sure if it is or not, but seeing how it's been untouched for ye...
like it's not actually finished, there are many bugs and inconsistencies but it's probably good enough
sand garden
I got ror1 b4 ror2 and I still have yet to beat the game
latent field
i bought the physical version on switch that came with ror1 but i havent really touched it
i play pc now anyways
dull ingot
Bruh ror1 is sooo good
brisk gale
it is good,yes
foggy widget
👉
dull ingot
gusty totem
right off the rip
that's what we like to see
latent field
god run
simple sand
na REX god run = 5 leaching seeds, and 5 backup mags
fast meadow
Rex leeching seed is pretty eh.
buoyant lynx
Most characters with Leeching is meh, except for a Saw MUL-T and maybe Captain or Commando
fast meadow
Yeah I’d agree. I like it with merc too but that’s about it
buoyant lynx
Merc is eh with Leeching too
fast meadow
How many hits does he get with his eviscerate/slicing winds?
buoyant lynx
Can't remember. I know Slicing Winds is like, 8?
I dunno, after I got used to Slicing Winds I've never gone back to Evis
fast meadow
Aaahh gotcha gotcha perhaps I was wrong then. It feels like alotta hits 😂
buoyant lynx
SW hits for 8*100%, and is able to hit up to 3 enemies
Might be why it feels like a lot (and actually is a lot, SW has better DPS than Evis)
fast meadow
Yup SW and Evis are just kinda different play styles. But his new rework helps a lot
But yeah leaching seed only works in the first loop or too but absolutely falls off
buoyant lynx
Eviscerate is better for casual or new players for Merc, while SW is better for more advanced merc players
fast meadow
Yeah I’ll most definitely be giving SW more love
buoyant lynx
SW has more DPS and an Exposed at the end, but it "DoEsN'T haVe IFraMES" compared to Evis, requiring a more aggressive playstyle and managing Iframes with Blinding Assault instead
fast meadow
Yeah. I absolutely love the “new” exposed mechanic
buoyant lynx
Yeah, Merc requires a brain now. Proper combos with Exposed means you can essentially have nonexistent cooldowns
fast meadow
Gives him a learning curve but o boy is it fun to cycle abilities on stage 1
buoyant lynx
Yeah
I find Merc a lot more fun than Loader (tbh I only found Loader fun in the first place because of her grapple)
fast meadow
I 100% agree
The grapples fun but I’m a basic bitch kinda guy and go with the slicey dicey 😂
buoyant lynx
Merc is Anime Swordsman simulator
glass plinth
Leech seed is workable if you have tincture or some other rapid fire attack
buoyant lynx
Namely MUL-T's saw
glass plinth
Maybe, but leech seed is overshadowed by harvester scythe, which does what leech does but better.
buoyant lynx
Yep
glass plinth
get like 2 crit glasses and 1 scythe, you outperform leech by leagues.
one leech seed and 1 tincture will still instawin any tele event before stage 4 though.
fast meadow
It’s be nice if it was a % heal
buoyant lynx
Yeah, scaling with level
fast meadow
Yup yup.
buoyant lynx
Like, 2-3% of your max HP per stack?
fast meadow
Yeah
That way it would still be 2-3 ish health for the first loop but later something like 15-20 ish
I’m tired. That’s probably very wrong math but the point stil stands
buoyant lynx
Might make it worth stacking a little more
And might put it into competition with Scythe
(Which is a good thing)
fast meadow
Yeah cuz scythe just makes the seeds useless after a few glasses
buoyant lynx
Yep
ebon glacier
Lunar Chimeras are the worst
sand garden
They are like flying templars
nocturne patio
high shoal
kill
sand garden
what file has the lunar coins so you can alter them?
buoyant lynx
Lunar Chimeras are the worst
Just the Lunar Chimera Wisps (flying ones)
ebon glacier
Just the Lunar Chimera Wisps (flying ones)
Yeah only them
sand garden
I did a thing, lol
hoary berry
Man wants infinite lunar robux hacks working 2021 new
sand garden
lmao
floral geode
My friend cheated in 600 billion lunar coins
hardy plank
My friend cheated in 600 billion lunar coins
thats what we call a bad person
floral geode
It was by accident
hardy plank
oh
buoyant lynx
"Hey, I'm sorry, but I somehow cheated in 600 billion lunar coins on accident"
merry karma
true
sand garden
lmao
hoary berry
if you get one stun grenade and a 57 clover does it apply the bomb every time?
summer terrace
yeah
hoary berry
i noticed it didnt do that for the missiles
summer terrace
that's so weird
hoary berry
wtf does the clover do then
high shoal
they upgrade the chance for every luck based item in the game (except tougher times)
dim dust
wtf does the clover do then
think of clover as a reroll machine, when you roll the dice, it rolls again and gives you the one most favorable, so when you shoot and normally wouldnt get a bleed on enemy, clover re-rolls the proc and if it gets bleed then bleed is applied
hoary berry
ahh that makes sense
dim dust
or a better metaphor would be, you roll 2 dices, 1 is 3 second one is 6, more favorable is 6 so it goes with 6
buoyant lynx
Clover itself doesn't reroll, it increases the stat that does
hoary berry
tougher times would be OP
dull ingot
dnd advantage ok
buoyant lynx
dnd advantage ok
Yeah, in a nutshell
dim dust
Clover itself doesn't reroll, it increases the stat that does
I meant that but made it simpler kinda
mossy garden
now get ethereal
latent field
let's not get ahead of ourselves now
buoyant lynx
Ethereal is more about patience
Patience to wait for a good trial, and patience to not get frustrated
brave relic
yes
but you can still take hits if you block the hit with tougher times, or if you get hit while you have barrier
buoyant lynx
Complete a prisma trial without taking damage. It's either easy or hard, depending on the trial
brave relic
blocking via i-frames too
buoyant lynx
Best times to do Ethereal though is if the trial has Glass
Since one hit means you invalidates the run anyway, why not make the most of it?
latent field
ive yet to even do a trial ive just been struggling to make it to stage 9
buoyant lynx
Okay
Might want to put some practice into Merc's combos then
Preferably on Monsoon
latent field
what type of combos
buoyant lynx
Most combos revolve around extending your third m1 slash into another skill
The simplest is the second you see the 3rd m1 slash come out, hit m2
latent field
ah
buoyant lynx
Merc has a high skill ceiling because of the various combos you can do as him
Also, don't use Rising Thunder if you have it. It has better early-game band procs, but messes up combos a lot
merry karma
also trimping
rare crystal
oh, is the default spin m2 better?
buoyant lynx
oh, is the default spin m2 better?
Yeah
brave relic
RT is good but WW is better
buoyant lynx
Whirlwind has more utility
summer terrace
just pick what you find more fun
rare crystal
I play a lot of merc, but I use rising thunder, guess I should swap back lol
It's kinda annoying how the default kit for most characters is the better one
merry karma
buoyant lynx
It's kinda annoying how the default kit for most characters is the better one
Not always; If you're confident as Merc, Slicing Winds is much better than Evis
rare crystal
I still need to unlock that one
I haven't even touched a single prismatic trial yet
torpid inlet
This may be weird but I like Merc’s original M2 because of the mobility
You slide forward a little
buoyant lynx
This may be weird but I like Merc’s original M2 because of the mobility
That's not weird, Whirlwind is statistically and gameplay wise the better m2 of the two
torpid inlet
Yeah
buoyant lynx
Yeah
One I find particularly fun is
Slicing Winds -> triple BA -> Time 3rd M1 slash -> Extend into Whirlwind -> repeat
torpid inlet
Ok, neat
wind glacier
whats the % on bandolier proc with clover
foggy widget
but but but but rising thunder go brrr
zinc kernel
mercenary 😩
buoyant lynx
Mercenary pog
blazing lagoon
Any tips for late game? I'm trying to get frag grenade/phase blast but I mostly get rekt by stuff like malachite and elder lemurians on 2nd or 3rd loop
buoyant lynx
Any tips for late game? I'm trying to get frag grenade/phase blast but I mostly ...
Pray to RNGesus, that's pretty much all you can hope for
zinc kernel
@broken ginkgo wait you're back?
zinc kernel
ig
broken ginkgo
Like, I was gone cus of work and interest in pd2, but after update 200 drop game again become full of cheaters that wanted to grind infamy
I’m not gonna ask what is this
versed scarab
Ah :/
merry karma
are they a legend or smth
broken ginkgo
what?
severe chasm
Oh hey Tiger!
fast meadow
Anyone know if the sky high launch with merc’s whirlwind works on console? It works to some degree but not as high as I see in some videos. Or am I just bad
broken ginkgo
Pretty sure it works, cus engine and mechanics remains the same
Also hi @severe chasm
fast meadow
Ah gotcha thanks thanks. Guess I gotta practice more
severe chasm
Been a long while
glass plinth
Any tips for late game? I'm trying to get frag grenade/phase blast but I mostly ...
For the first five stages, try to avoid staying in any one stage for more than five minutes. This will keep chest costs low in later stages, and will keep monster scaling at a low. This likely means you will not be able to buy every chest on each stage, especially in the first 3 stages of a run.
minimize the time you spend fight monsters and maximize the time you spend buying chests. Monsters scale faster than you will level up, so you will only want to kill monsters for cash.
it’s pretty easy to farm monsters for a little too long and realize you have enough money to buy out the entire stage 5 times over
if you have a decent set of healing items or an equipment thats capable of chunking the boss very quickly, you can start the teleporter event early and buy a few chests later on.
This speedy playstyle is the most consistent for monsoon, but for some its not the most fun and can easily just go sideways if you encounter the wrong teleporter boss stage 1 or stage 5.
ie a wandering vagrant without any healing items or high ground or a horde of many teleporter boss.
alternatively,
Play on higher difficulties only after getting optimal unlocks, which is fair if you’re talking about unlocking phase round .
sand garden
There is also command if you wanna go that route
glass plinth
Yeah but that’s just boring.
All command runs are literally identical unless you’re going command for a specific build that’s impossible otherwise
sand garden
I've only done command once, just to get the alts for commando
I forgot I had Tonic and Gesture so I didnt get the nades
night drift
Hurr durr command bade
hybrid vine
This may be weird but I like Merc’s original M2 because of the mobility
m2 boosting will give you way better vertical mobility than the other one
alt m2 is an easier band proc but merc literally procs bands by existing so i dont see a point to go for alt m2
mellow mango
It’s a higher quality band proc as well
900% with thunder (550% + 350%) vs 650% without thunder (300% + 350%)
But yeah whirlwind is better
edgy siren
question: is going to the wierd purple dimension (the thing that lets you unlock acrid) worth it? it looks like it gives you extra items and a red item at the very end if you survive it
buoyant lynx
question: is going to the wierd purple dimension (the thing that lets you unlock...
It's worth it early-game, a nightmare late game
But is a bit boring to do beyond unlocking Acrid
mellow mango
It’s always worth it because you can just uhh leave
brave relic
early game is most of the time free items, mid-game void is really hard, late game void is absolute chaos
you also have to take in thought your Eclipse level and skill with the character
edgy siren
It’s always worth it because you can just uhh leave
wait you can?
buoyant lynx
wait you can?
Yeah, the exit is present at all times
brave relic
yeah you can leave
buoyant lynx
It's that void portal out
brave relic
but you can never come back, unless you start a new run
edgy siren
oh shit
brave relic
doesn't matter if you complete or leave the void, it's gone
high torrent
you also have to take in thought your Eclipse level and skill with the character
it's hell right after second eclipse(
and i kept forgetting this fact lul
hybrid vine
one of my most favorite things to do if im steamrolling is lategame void fields and afk to watch everything die
brazen jackal
One time I was playing sacrifice and command just to see how many bunguses I could get as engi and after one void field I went from like 45 to 300. I guess that’s why I don’t play like that that much, stuff’s op
Tbh I left it afk for like 10mins to a half an hour and came back and there were just items everywhere
Then I just took my time finishing the rest of the fields
I may have just gotten lucky though. Plus it was super late game so there were enemies everywhere.
hybrid vine
when did you take void fields
hybrid vine
try 20x if you have a serious godrun going
plucky jungle
if im playing with friends we try to have atleast one person in the tp at all times to keep things moving, i mean if youre buff enough then everyone can stand outside the bubble forever
brazen jackal
if im playing with friends we try to have atleast one person in the tp at all ti...
That’s why the bungus is so great for that on engi, so you can stay out of the bubbles with essentially no effect
rare crystal
Would the current prismatic trial be an ok one to get Merc's alt Special?
buoyant lynx
Are you on PC or Console?
rare crystal
PC
It's got the artifact of glass, so it's already kind of expected we don't get hit, but also the enemy spawns might not be all the great for merc
buoyant lynx
Watch pinned video in #prismatic-trials
rare crystal
ok thank you
small depot
Hey. Just wanted to check real quick. Just unlocked poison boy. Acrid I think he was called? Anyway, I unlocked blight for him (kill 50 enemies on 1 health). One of the unlock conditions is to poison 1000 enemies. Can I still unlock this using blight?
buoyant lynx
No
small depot
Okay, thanks.
buoyant lynx
np
rare crystal
What are the generally better alt moves for Rex?
buoyant lynx
What are the generally better alt moves for Rex?
Alt utility
Just alt utility
Alt secondary can work after stacking a bunch of backup mags, but generally the default secondary is better
buoyant lynx
Yeah, default secondary generally has more damage output
jagged sparrow
yeah
buoyant lynx
And is there even any proof the guy has genuinely played the game?
jagged sparrow
didn't use i frames when playing as merc
buoyant lynx
Yeah lmao
jagged sparrow
why are red items so rare shit game
fast nimbus
lol
high shoal
man why is mithrix so hard I stood still and then o dide
fast nimbus
Why won’t the enemies die before I open the portal, I thought I killed them all???
jagged sparrow
poor guy said he was holding m2 while walking around he was prob playing as commando with his starting abilities
summer terrace
that's what the game starts you with to be fair
high shoal
just “become better”
buoyant lynx
Apparently this is their hours:
buoyant lynx
Yeah, that's what the other dude is thinking too
jagged sparrow
ror2 is really fun prob playing on drizzle
high shoal
lol
fast nimbus
lol
high shoal
it must be so boring
“you walk around and hold m2 while flying around everywhere”
damn man this commando guy sucks this game sucks
jagged sparrow
yeah he should play other survivors if thats what he thinks of the game
high shoal
:))))
guys I ackually have 250597373 hours on this game guys I think it’s cringe
so bad
I couldn’t even get past the 3rd teleporter event
buoyant lynx
Some of their response:
jagged sparrow
this guy
buoyant lynx
jagged sparrow
early access was pretty fun and also you got the game for like 15 bucks back then
summer terrace
there are plenty of people who dislike some of the changes from EA
high shoal
man new chars and patches????? so cringe
jagged sparrow
what changes oh sticky bombs...
summer terrace
no like some of the balance changes
jagged sparrow
even now I don't mind a couple stacks of sticky bombs
summer terrace
not stickies
jagged sparrow
oh then what
summer terrace
bleed changes, op characters, a lot of the new items either being useless or op
jagged sparrow
huntress used to suck
summer terrace
personally I like most of the new stuff but I understand it
jagged sparrow
yeah
summer terrace
she still sucks
jagged sparrow
!
buoyant lynx
huntress used to suck
I mean stat-wise she still does
jagged sparrow
Good mobility good damage I think she as good as captain
high shoal
now glass item don’t play the hard game for me 😔😔😔😔😔
jagged sparrow
hot take
buoyant lynx
Lower base DPS than Commando, autoaim that works against you more often than I'd care to mention, lack of AoE (Her only AoE option sucks ass), low starting health
brave relic
her damage isn't even close to captain
high shoal
she is BAD
brave relic
captain has literally the best M1 in the game lol
buoyant lynx
The one thing Huntress has to her name is high mobility
summer terrace
Lower base DPS than Commando, autoaim that works against you more often than I'd...
glaive is a good part of her kit so her aoe is decent
phase blink is crazy good
buoyant lynx
glaive is a good part of her kit so her aoe is decent
Glaive can only hit so many
jagged sparrow
she gets a lot out of items more than others
buoyant lynx
she gets a lot out of items more than others
Looks at Commando, Captain, MUL-T, REX, Mercenary, and many other characters:
jagged sparrow
yeah but ballista can be nasty
jagged sparrow
*Looks at Commando, Captain, MUL-T, REX, Mercenary, and many other characters:*
no like as far as her ability to move she doesn't need to worry about getting hit as commando needs to focus on both
buoyant lynx
no like as far as her ability to move she doesn't need to worry about getting hi...
Yes, mobility being the sole benefit in her kit
jagged sparrow
yeah it sticks out a lot
summer terrace
phase blink carries her hard
buoyant lynx
Many characters do anything Huntress does better
jagged sparrow
just solid kit with amazing mobility
buoyant lynx
just solid kit with amazing mobility
Have you forgotten "lower base DPS than Commando"?
high shoal
huntress is only fast
jagged sparrow
maybe her primary
high shoal
and only fast
jagged sparrow
I think she's good ok
buoyant lynx
Huntress is pretty much just W+M1, with M2 tossed in for fodder and special for bosses or heavy targets
high shoal
huntress is brain dead bad button pressing
buoyant lynx
huntress is brain dead bad button pressing
Like Mercenary used to be, until he got "nerfed" and actually needs some thinking (Which I find a benefit, honestly)
jagged sparrow
merc is just good
high shoal
man I need to press the buttons in the directions of enemies wtf!
jagged sparrow
not as crazy as before but still
buoyant lynx
Oh no, Merc statistically still ranks very high, on the same level as Captain and REX
And then there's Loader, but Loader is above everyone else
high shoal
loader is loader
buoyant lynx
Loader's sole downside is a low proc rate, but because of her sheer power, you could infer it as low reliance on procs (save for bands)
high shoal
loader on console can proc bands with all of their options
because it’s broken off but still
loader can proc bands with their primary on console
jagged sparrow
and getting purity on loader feels so good
high shoal
they don’t need items anyway
jagged sparrow
yeah
high shoal
ora
jagged sparrow
I like loader as she is no nerfs
brave relic
just manually nerf her
high shoal
loader is win character
brave relic
jagged sparrow
NOO
high shoal
yuck
buoyant lynx
Back to that guy on Twitter, he seems to have entirely stopped responding, so either they've given up on arguing or went to do something else
jagged sparrow
I can't wait for them to have it so you can replace your entire character ability kit with the heresy items
high shoal
heresy character when