ror2-game-questions

[peak holly]

Also the logbook is under the arena near the top

[feral kestrel]

Are those the things that sometimes drop from monsters?

[elfin sierra]

Theres logs for areas too

[peak holly]

Yeah, that one is an environmental logbook for commencement

[feral kestrel]

Oh ok

[peak holly]

Bosses have a 3% chance to drop their logbook and normal monsters have a 1% chance

[feral kestrel]

Also what are the prismatic trials?

For Mercs alt special I think it is

[peak holly]

Mithrix I think can drop it at the end of phase 1, 2, and 4

[peak holly]

You complete two seeded stages as fast as you can

Teleporter is bound by two crystals you have to break

[feral kestrel]

Are seeded like in other games where it’s like predetermined

[peak holly]

Then you can use it

[peak holly]

Yep

Same set of stages and item layout every time

[feral kestrel]

Ok then

[peak holly]

It updates every three days

[feral kestrel]

Why is loader so busted tho

So much mobility and damage

[peak holly]

We have a beast called cabbage who does the achievement on every prismatic trail

For the last 6 years

[feral kestrel]

Oh really!

Dayum

[peak holly]

#prismatic-trials message

Here’s the current one

So you can use it or any in the future to do it

[feral kestrel]

Wait did he just animation cancel his dash

In the vid

[peak holly]

There’s tech😉

[feral kestrel]

My god this is better than I thought

[lavish jacinth]

you pretty much never wanna go all in on a printer, having a variety of items is always better than stacking a ton of one thing

especially damage items because they tend to multiply each other

also obligatory advice, always full-clear stages and don't rush to the teleporter. Loot is how you get stronger

most of these are debatable tbh, are the only ones I'd say can always go directly into a scrapper

[feral kestrel]

This part I have down cause I’m a conpletionist

[rapid current]

lepton daisy is only good on drifter and false son if u get 2

[lavish jacinth]

I can't think of a single reason it would be good on them specifically ngl

[steel lance]

lepton daisy is only good for crafting at wandering chef imo (i also don't get why it would be good on drifter at all, i feel like i'd rather have the green scrap passive regen than a lepton daisy)

[lavish jacinth]

exactly

[steel lance]

why are you finding it good on false son if you have two specifically?

[viral minnow]

idk too lol, false son has crazy healing with meridians will if you need healing

[shy halo]

hearty stew, convert that green scrap regen into damage

[shy halo]

^ regen into damage

[viral minnow]

i dont get it

[shy halo]

false son at max regen means a lot of regen. hearty stew converts that regen into damage when you're at max hp

[viral minnow]

oh ok so you mean crafting items

[shy halo]

hearty stew is made exclusively with lepton daisy

[viral minnow]

ok

[rapid current]

[steel lance]

ohhhh okok so we were all on the same page

[stuck venture]

why didnt i got the achivement and unlock for killing mithrix with aurelionite when hes got lunar ruin? i got the achivement in game but didnt get the ability

[steel lance]

did aurelionite deal the killing blow?

[stuck venture]

yeah

[steel lance]

oh wait yea you said you got it ingame

idk then 🤷‍♀️

[shy halo]

wait you got the challenge marked as completed but no meridian's will?

you sure it ain't the mastery skin?

[stuck venture]

wait no i dont have it in game but when mithrix died it showed an achivement

[lavish jacinth]

which achievement was it?

[stuck venture]

maybe it was lunar stakes

[viral minnow]

do it with lunar spikes

[stuck venture]

i mean achivement

[stuck venture]

polak siema

[viral minnow]

siema

[steel lance]

lunar stakes achievement is for getting +40 spikes through growth right? idk how you would have got that from killing mithrix

[stuck venture]

yeah thats wierd

[steel lance]

unless you were exactly 1hp away and you had infusion or smth

[shy halo]

go check your achievement history and see what the last one was

[subtle violet]

best moveset for false son?

[shy halo]

alt util and alt special, s2 is debatable

stakes has better power and value from backup mags but is single shot which makes it horrible if you wanna really use lunar tempering

[rapid current]

why havent i got the e1 badge on operator

[hazy willow]

Anyone know how to do splitscreen using just commands?

Do you need to have multiple steam accounts?

[trim lynx]

pc?

[hazy willow]

Yeah, Steam

[trim lynx]

i know there is a very rough implementation in vanilla

idk if it still exists tho

if you want something properly playable though, use this mod https://thunderstore.io/package/dodad/XSplitScreen/

its really quite well polished

[hazy willow]

Yeah I've heard it isn't great, but it seems there are commands that should let you. I was looking on youtube and a guy entered a couple commands and made a multiplayer game, and invited some of his friends from steam

Idk, I just don't really want to get into mods

[trim lynx]

invited steam friends to splitscreen?

[hazy willow]

Yeah

it was just a short so kinda vague

I'm gonna ask ChatGPT for help

[lavish jacinth]

bruh

chatGPT doesn't know anything about games, it just pulls shit from reddit

[trim lynx]

it wont have anything

unreliable source of info

[lavish jacinth]

don't let the clankers think for you bro

[marble osprey]

Are you sure they were playing in vanilla? Mods can add their own commands

[trim lynx]

generally people use https://thunderstore.io/package/IHarbHD/DebugToolkit/

[marble osprey]

I went through the list of commands at https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Developer_Console and didn't see anything related to enabling splitscreen

[marble osprey]

You can still use the dev console without that, that just adds a lot of useful ones and makes it easier
I don't think there are any commands in there relating to what they're looking for though

[trim lynx]

you need it to enable cheats

in vanilla there are many even on that page that you cant enable

[marble osprey]

There is a vanilla command to enable cheats though, DebugToolkit just does it by default as i understand it

[livid wedge]

You can't really use any console commands without the toolkit

[trim lynx]

it doesnt work

cheats in vanilla is set to 0 no matter what

[livid wedge]

Other than basic things like playerlimit

[marble osprey]

Yeah you're right mb

[trim lynx]

no worries

its kinda dumb and obtuse it doesnt work like that

[marble osprey]

Anyway yeah closest thing I could find is test_splitscreen which did nothing even with DebugToolkit installed

[trim lynx]

i heard it either doesnt work anymore or never did yeah

[daring violet]

Is there a chance the newt shrine doesn't spawn on sundered grove?

[livid wedge]

No, it always does

[shy halo]

check ||the tree root under the main tree in the cave area, the horizontal log segment between the main tree and the fallen tree, and the mushroom platform at the top of the main tree||

[daring violet]

I found it eventually (i was just not looking in the right place)

[random summit]

How do I do the glitch while using false son?

[random summit]

Found out it was patched

[cunning fulcrum]

Could someone please explain to me how Networked Suffering works? I don't quite understand what it's doing or how to use it most effectively

[livid wedge]

You damage an enemy to put in a group of enemies

Damage dealt to anyone in the group gets added to a pool of damage. Every 3 or 4 seconds, this damage is dealt to every enemy in the group and reset to 0

AoE is very effective once you've got enemies in a group since all that aoe damage is added to the pool for each enemy in the group hit

A very strong force multiplier

[cunning fulcrum]

Ah, I see now
Thank you

[keen thistle]

Bungus supremacy?

[timber rapids]

is there a command to locate specific objects from the console? attempting to find the lockbox on the moon will be the death of me one day

[cedar ocean]

I am a god-forsaken console player so I will never know the glory of mods or the dev console

[zinc fulcrum]

So who should I clear the game with next? Huntress, MUl-T, Engi, Artificier, Or Mercanary?

[marble osprey]

give_equip radar scanner

[keen thistle]

Engi

[cedar ocean]

Engi

My pookie bear engineer 🤩

[stuck badge]

what are the best green items for bandit? i still need to learn all the items

[viral minnow]

[stuck badge]

oh cool thank you

[viral minnow]

basically he wants everything evervy other character wants like atg, bands are fine with special etc, predatory instincts boosts attack speed with crit shots, scythe heals with criticals

[stuck badge]

i am using the command thing just to learn the items and match the icons with the effects (i won't use it forever as that would be boring) but the two that you mentioned and others in the other rarities don't appear how do i "unlock" all of them?

my only thought would be that i have to get them normally without the command but that would be difficult to remember as to which ones i am missing

[peak holly]

Gotta unlock em through challenges

The scythe is gotten by completing a prismatic trial

And predatory instincts is, I think, achieving a super high attack speed

[stuck badge]

so coffee/needle run?

or mocha whatever its called

[peak holly]

Yep

[stuck badge]

i did it/got it

[steel lance]

if you look through the challenges tab in the logbook, anything that isn't an artifact unlock or survivor-specific challenge will unlock either a survivor or an item, so it's worth working through those just to have every survivor and item available to you

[stuck badge]

yeah i had a look in there after i got the attack speed thing

i never thought to look in there before as i thought it was just the monster logs lmao

[steel lance]

ohhhhhh that's fair

[rapid current]

why is my logbook broken

on ps5

[hasty tinsel]

You can also check it mid-run from the pause menu, if you ever need to double-check conditions.

[stuck badge]

yeah thats how i looked at it, thank you though

[violet lynx]

Do you need to own Alloyed Collective to use remote operation after you die?

[jaunty furnace]

no

[hasty tinsel]

That was added as a base-game feature that came with the update, anyone can use it regardless of DLC status.

[drifting swan]

is collapse capable of proccing bands i don't remember

[shy halo]

no

[drifting swan]

not even singularity band?

[lavish jacinth]

It has the same condition as normal bands

And DoTs have no proc coefficient, they can't proc anything at all

[fast shoal]

Im kinda new to the game. Been playing maybe a week. Still working on unlocking everyone but i do hsve all the DLC's. I mainly play looter shooters and love AOE characters.

Who would yall say is be the best character to shoot for an AOE build?

[ocean monolith]

It kinda depends on the AoE items you’re looking for, and if you want AoE built into the character’s kit

[trim lynx]

artificer and acrid have good aoe built into their kits

but all survivors can do well aoe with items

[ocean monolith]

Commando is good for proccing items that either do Single-Target, AoE, or DoT, but doesn’t have good strength on his own

Operator has ways to deal good single-target and mix in some AoE without many items

[trim lynx]

oh rex also

moreso CC than AoE

but whatever

[ocean monolith]

It’s kinda about playing with everyone and their kits to figure out what you like

Or to also get good with everyone, doesn’t really matter what you do, as long as you’re having fun!

[trim lynx]

☝️

what the big boss says

[safe warren]

Any tips for getting a good early game with False Son? I usually play with Rebirth, Sacrifice, and on Monsoon, and the first couple stages really decide if the run lives or not

[trim lynx]

as the survivor?

[safe warren]

Yeah

[ocean monolith]

Uh

Luminous Shot = Win

[trim lynx]

hes kinda item agnostic

[ocean monolith]

[trim lynx]

he works with pretty much anything you throw at him idk

[ocean monolith]

This also goes for Seeker and CHEF

Although that’s unrelated

[safe warren]

Alright thanks

[ocean monolith]

If it comes down to it, learn how to cope with him

[trim lynx]

seeker is less item agnostic, and more that she doesnt need them lol

[ocean monolith]

True that

True that

[solid glade]

Is Mercenary just really fucking hard? I easily managed to get to the boss on all characters so far but I can't seem to get to finish even second stage with him

[lavish jacinth]

He's one of the more difficult characters to play, yeah

you gotta get good at abusing iframes and expose

he's also not great at single-target damage, so he can struggle with the final boss sometimes

[ocean monolith]

He has a high skill ceiling, and once you get him down, he’s really fun

He’s also a melee, so he’s harder by default

Playing him right involves maximizing how many skills you’re using in a short period of time

[lavish jacinth]

he does have some useful tech you can learn, using a dash or m2 on the first few frames of his 3rd sword swing allows you to carry the sword hitbox through the entire length of the dash, instead of just cancelling the sword

It takes some practice and isn't totally necessary to learn, but it's useful to know

[ocean monolith]

It also boosts your DPS for Eviscerate and can help with Slicing Winds in melee range

A general rule of thumb is to just always use M1 and use other skills when the 3rd hit comes out

If you’re running Eviscerate, it’s recommended to get a bunch of attack speed to maximize its damage

On the topic of loadouts, all of them are viable, and none of his skills are bad

[lavish jacinth]

bear in mind that this tech gets harder to do with too much attack speed

and merc's attack speed scaling isn't great anyways apart from evis, the sword is slow and it can actually shorten the range of his secondaries due to the stupid way they programmed them

[subtle violet]

Why dont i have the artifact that spawns the big gold giant guy

[lavish jacinth]

because that's not an artifact

it's an item you get from killing him

[subtle violet]

I thought it was

Oh

[ocean monolith]

There’s an artifact that spawns an evil version of you every 10 minutes

[sand shell]

Right so my friend and I are having an argument and we both can’t prove we’re right… does slug affect corruption on veind?

[lavish jacinth]

no

[worthy widget]

That friend seems very cool

[lavish jacinth]

regen doesn't affect corruption, only true healing

[sand shell]

Well well well

[worthy widget]

Really?
Oh i will be damned that

[sand shell]

Look who’s right

[subtle violet]

does garags opus work on aurelionite

[lavish jacinth]

it works on all allies

[subtle violet]

lets goo

i need him to kill mithrix

[jaunty furnace]

Sure

[steel lance]

how did it go? if you've got there yet

[subtle violet]

horrible. mithrix was on 55 hp and i couldnt shoot another spike at him or else he died and my aurelionite didnt attack so mithrix didnt have the debuff

[jaunty furnace]

you said false son

[subtle violet]

I meant mithrix

Thats how you get one of his alts

[zinc fulcrum]

Im guessing the DLCs are all worth getting right?

[steel lance]

i think we all thought you were trying to unlock false son and didn't know auri is hostile if you have her in the false son fight

[subtle violet]

Ahh

[steel lance]

if you're enjoying the game without dlcs then definitely yes, they add a lot of content

[steel lance]

scammed

[subtle violet]

Lowkey bot my fault as my aurelionite wasnt attacking at 55 hp

I sat there watching the debuff go away

[steel lance]

i got that one first try but literally everyone else i've spoken to about it says it was a nightmare so i'm assuming i just got lucky

[subtle violet]

Maybe

[steel lance]

my advice would be just hit him with one spike every time they come off cooldown, because the cooldown is 1s shorter than the debuff duration so you're getting constant debuff uptime with minimal damage

[subtle violet]

Mithrix was inside of him so i kept missing my spikes

It was so annoying

[steel lance]

oh rip

that's a pain yea

[bitter steeple]

What is the first stage that the overloading worm can spawn on?

[lavish jacinth]

abyssal depths, but you're unlikely to get it pre-loop without stacking mountain shrines

you can get one fairly easily with artifact of prestige

[steel lance]

also spawns on both stage 5s if you don't get abyssal as your stage 4

[bitter steeple]

Also trying to do unlock quests what artifacts should I get?

[lavish jacinth]

command is the first one to go for

[bitter steeple]

Like the unlocks for different attacks and skins

[steel lance]

command makes most things really easy since you can just choose your items

[lavish jacinth]

sacrifice and swarms can also help a lot if you want it to be as easy as possible

[bitter steeple]

So get sacrifice, swarms, and prestige now

[steel lance]

most artifacts make the game harder in some way so a lot of them aren't gonna help you with other unlocks

[lavish jacinth]

you don't need prestige for an overloading worm

[bitter steeple]

It just makes it easier?

[steel lance]

yeah, you can also just get an overloading worm naturally

[lavish jacinth]

on monsoon they typically start spawning around stage 8 or 9

unlocking prestige and then doing another run to fight one will just take longer overall

[bitter steeple]

What about rain storm?

[lavish jacinth]

and you can do mando's 20 stage achievement on the same run

[lavish jacinth]

it'll just take longer, stage ~15 probably

[steel lance]

prestige gives you a guaranteed mountain shrine each stage and makes its effects permanent, so if you use every mountain shrine the boss by stage 4 or 5 will be hard enough that they'll have a high chance to get replaced by an overloading worm

[bitter steeple]

Oh, OK

[bitter steeple]

Also, do I need to turn off DLC to get sky meadow now because every time I’ve had it on I got one that new stage five

[steel lance]

you definitely don't need it for that unlock though, as fax said you'll get an overloading worm naturally if you just loop the run for long enough

[lavish jacinth]

no, it's just a 50/50

[steel lance]

no, it's 50/50 but i think helminth hatchery is guaranteed if you fought false son that run

[lavish jacinth]

ah yeah

(and helminth is arguably the better stage to get anyway, the boss pool is WAY better)

[bitter steeple]

Every time I’ve played since I got collective, I got the hatchery, even though artifacts can only be done on sky meadow

[steel lance]

artifacts can be done on helminth too

[lavish jacinth]

^

[steel lance]

the machine is at the top of the stage

[bitter steeple]

I had to turn DLC off just to get sky meadow

[bitter steeple]

Oh actually, did not know that

[steel lance]

you just gotta go far enough up (which i believe is possible on every character without needing mobility items, haven't needed to go there in a while so i'm not 100% sure)

[bitter steeple]

Follow up question is it possible to get multiple artifacts in a single run

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

you'll just have to loop back to stage 5

[bitter steeple]

Because I was just thinking if I do the commando 20 stage, I could knock out like four artifacts

[steel lance]

you absolutely can

just make sure not to pick up any lunar items all run obviously or you won't get the mando unlock

[bitter steeple]

I usually don’t use lunar anyways because I can never find a refinery or whatever it’s called and I really don’t like the effects

[steel lance]

if you mean the removal station that's called a cleansing pool

[bitter steeple]

Yeahhhh

[steel lance]

a lot of lunars are very situational, obvious example imo is stone flux pauldron (double health, half movement speed) which is only useful if you have too much speed from looping your run and getting 5 million speed items

[bitter steeple]

Yeah, exactly

[steel lance]

i feel like lunars are either game-breakingly strong or completely useless in the majority of runs with no real in-between

but yea as long as you just don't pick any up that unlock is pretty easy, it's just a slog

[ocean monolith]

If you enter Stage 5 at 60 minutes or more, one can show up as a prespawn

[dim notch]

can someone tell me if im just bad at it or if commando really is a struggle

im trying to do his challenges on monsoon (killing all birds with one stone) and this guy falls off completely after stage 3

doesnt help that my luck on him to get damage items is terrible

[steel lance]

he goes really well with proc items (notably tri-tip daggers are very strong on him) but i find his dps is pretty lacklustre if you don't manage to find those kinds of items to augment it

[lavish jacinth]

he's definitely one of the weaker characters, but he's also pretty skill reliant

so it's probably both a skill issue and a survivor issue lol
commando does sometimes get shitty runs where you just have to run around slowly kiting things to death, but he's also fairly good at doing that

[dim notch]

i see now

ill keep trying to get lucky on those proc items... if i ever stop getting medkits, toolbelts and fungus

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, medkit is pretty good

[dim notch]

defensive is all i find in chests playing him

[steel lance]

medkit is solid if you aren't playing eclipse imo

[dim notch]

not that the item is bad

its jsut all i get lmao

the healing wont be enough if i cant kill what im fighting against

[lavish jacinth]

don't forget to grab drones too, they can give you some really consistent support damage on early stages

[dim notch]

i have been quite unsure if to get damaging drones, specificaly because of the "land a killing blow on electric worm" challenge

[ocean monolith]

Just out-damage them lmao

[lavish jacinth]

overloading worms have so much hp that it's very unlikely a drone will steal the kill

[dim notch]

im trying 😭

the drones hit harder than my mandos bro

[lavish jacinth]

unless you make them absolutely broken with drone combiners and SDP

also exists, that'll guarantee that you get the kill

[dim notch]

oh right this exists

[steel lance]

yeah just get a gun problem solved

[dim notch]

ill catch it if i see it

[lavish jacinth]

(and it'll get you an extremely good boss item)

[steel lance]

imo if you're at the point in your run where you see an overloading worm and you aren't outdamaging your drones you're gonna have a tough time killing the overloading worm without a gun

as a newer player at least

[dim notch]

or killing anything at all

[steel lance]

when you're more experienced obviously you aren't gonna find a big worm to be a major threat

[dim notch]

mid you theres still prime meridian + going through neural sanctum...

[lavish jacinth]

you'll learn to love commando eventually, everyone does

[dim notch]

i hope so

seeker too much of a goat tho

[lavish jacinth]

it's like puberty for ror2 players lol

ask any veteran player, most of them will tell you that they started liking commando a lot after a while

[lavish jacinth]

Seeker is also the most broken survivor in the game, so it's hardly a fair comparison

[bitter steeple]

I liked commando after being forced to play with him to do the quests

[dim notch]

design and interest wise. stat and etc i understadn is a little too much

seeker special just makes my rhythm brain go brr

[steel lance]

i find seeker's kit really fun but she feels so much stronger than most other survs to me it isn't really fair

[trim lynx]

i miss pre roadmap seeker

[steel lance]

my first time fighting solus wing i was playing seeker and literally just sat on it and facetanked the entire fight without ever dipping below half health (i killed it easily but learned nothing and then on my next runs proceeded to die to the final phase 10 times in a row because i didn't get how it worked)

[trim lynx]

the new alts are cool tho

[dim notch]

one i wanna learn a little better would probably be void fiend

[steel lance]

i don't really get why meditate has a revive but the other one (i forget the name) doesn't

obviously the revive is completely broken but i don't understand why they only put it on one of her specials

[visual brook]

What is this

[steel lance]

diario de bordo

[dim notch]

well, clearly it says Diário de Bordo

or do you mean the square below?

[visual brook]

My logbook is broken

[dim notch]

🔨

[visual brook]

Bro are u serious

[dim notch]

im not a mechanic 😭 im sorry

maybe restarting will fix?

[visual brook]

Uuh no

[dim notch]

guh

was it working before?

[visual brook]

Yes

[dim notch]

strange then... maybe getting something new can fix or maybe check integrity files

apart from that, i know no way else that could help...

[steel lance]

turn it off and on again 👍

[trim lynx]

ps5?

[visual brook]

Yes

[livid wedge]

Can you start a run?

[visual brook]

Yea

[livid wedge]

Ah

[trim lynx]

good

[livid wedge]

Well, there's no fix for the logbook issue

Known bug

[trim lynx]

uh basically old run reports dont get deleted on ps5 specifically

you gonna have to wait like a year

because this isnt gamebreakinh enough to warrant a fix according to gearbox

[livid wedge]

Or delete your save for a fresh one

[dim notch]

atp just turn it off. what your eyes dont see, your heart dont feel

[livid wedge]

It'd be super fucking nice if they at least acknowledged it

Like, holy shit, 3 months with not a peep

[rare mesa]

whats the best survivor for movement as a starter?

[dim notch]

heretic

(im lying)

[lavish jacinth]

huntress, seeker and operator all have good mobility

[steel lance]

if you don't have dlcs i'd say huntress

[rare mesa]

is commando mid?

[lavish jacinth]

Loader is the best overall mobility-wise but she has a learning curve

[lavish jacinth]

yeah kinda, doesn't really matter though

[steel lance]

yeah he's not the strongest but you can still consistently win with him

[rare mesa]

yeah, I have beaten the game 2 times in total, also, whats the survivor with the grappling hook?

[steel lance]

you can with any survivor tbh, i feel like the most important thing is just playing characters you enjoy because every survivor is viable

[lavish jacinth]

Loader

[steel lance]

the melee one? loader

idk if there's another one

[rare mesa]

how do you unlock it

[lavish jacinth]

Beat the secret boss on Siren's Call

[dim notch]

that ^

stage 4 btw

[steel lance]

on a specific stage 4 (siren's call) there's a secret boss, you can fight them by ||destroying several small blue eggs around the map|| (censored in case you wanna work it out for yourself)

[rare mesa]

ah the big thing

[steel lance]

the very same

[mellow crystal]

commando is very solid but definitely on the lower end

but not really either?

he's a strange one for how simple he is

but regardless "the lower end" in this game is still quite high so i wouldn't worry about it unless you're struggling with him

[rare mesa]

hard boss

[steel lance]

eh, mostly just tanky

can definitely kill you but its attacks aren't too hard to avoid

[dim notch]

watch the floor mostly, id say

[mellow crystal]

also mostly just keep moving to the side and jump every time it starts firing the projectile barrages
a lot of dodging in this game is deceptively simple

[rare mesa]

as a starter is it worth doing the event under the time thingy? the void cells or smth, i tried it and activated 1/9 cells i think theyre called

[lavish jacinth]

it unlocks a character, so it's worth doing for that at least. Plus it gives you some good loot if you can survive it

[dim notch]

its worth it more on early levels, in my opinion

i feel like it gets more annoying afterwards

[mellow crystal]

void fields are very rng-based in terms of how difficult they are so i would say as a way to improve the run, no purely because your sense of "oh this is a HORRIBLE situation i need to get out NOW" isn't as trained as a newer player

[lavish jacinth]

but it's also pretty RNG-heavy, you may need to dip out early if you don't think you can survive (you can leave at any time, there's always a portal available on the map. You can only go there once per run though)

[steel lance]

i'd say it's worth going until you see enemies/items that seem hard to deal with, but that's not easy to discern when you're new to the game

[dim notch]

i would say dip if you see 5 crowbar stacks tho

[lavish jacinth]

you can actually counter crowbars by using void fog to stay under 90%, but an annoying thing to have to micromanage

[dim notch]

having to keep in mind the 90% threshold for a new player isnt ideal tho, let alone having to remember the number through the entire event

plus, depending on what items you have, relying on the fog just for that can be detrimental for someone

i dont like running out so i just accept my fate and fight to death

big 50/50

[rare mesa]

i died after doing the first cell because couldnt find another one

[lavish jacinth]

look for purple beams in the sky

[dim notch]

^

[rare mesa]

are they really that far apart

[dim notch]

rng based

they can be far or close, theyre never int eh same order

[lavish jacinth]

it's a good idea to have a consistent way to heal and some decent move speed before you go there

[rare mesa]

i did it at stage 1

[dim notch]

if you have fungus, you can even counter the first few seconds of the fog to heal a bit

but the longer u stay out the more dmg it does based on your health

i think the average was 30 seconds without healing?

[lavish jacinth]

something like that

[dim notch]

theres also characters you can just deny the fog... looking at seeker and void fiend

heretic lol

[rare mesa]

is transendence good? i heard its op but i dont really understand how it works

[dim notch]

its good, but all your heals turn useless

and character dependent too

sometimes its not worth it

[lavish jacinth]

which isn't necessarily a bad thing, all your healing items become free scrap

but it is very strong IF you're decently good at not getting hit

[dim notch]

yeah, good point

[lavish jacinth]

but if you can consistently avoid damage long enough for your shields to recharge, it's basically just a free health buff that also solves all of your healing needs

[dim notch]

wasnt there a void item related to shields? i wonder what happens if you mix that

[lavish jacinth]

plasma shrimp

and yeah, it gives shrimp perma uptime, which is nice

also kinetic dampener

[dim notch]

but kinectic needs shield to break

[lavish jacinth]

it give 30 armor while you have shields up

[dim notch]

if your shield breaks on transcendence, your 1 hp is not gonna give you sans dodging

[lavish jacinth]

the shield break thing is really just a bonus

[dim notch]

well, i guess 50% of teh item's passive is better than 0

[lavish jacinth]

passive 30 armor for free is pretty damn good

[dim notch]

wait

[lavish jacinth]

30 armor is +30% effective health

[dim notch]

doesnt and mix well? since youre constantly overhealing past 1hp?

[lavish jacinth]

not really

most healing is %-based, which will scale off of the 1 hp you have with transc

[dim notch]

ah i see

[rare mesa]

what does "to obliterate" mean?

[lavish jacinth]

it basically only works if you have a lot of flat healing like scythe, or maybe upgraded healing drones

[lavish jacinth]

it's an alternate ending accessible by looping, there's a celestial portal that always spawns on the 3rd map of every loop

so you'll first get it on stage 8

[rare mesa]

and i dont have to fight mythrix?

[dim notch]

nope

[rare mesa]

that sounds awesome

gosh i hate that boss

[dim notch]

when you get to either stage 5's, the altar is different and lets you interact with the rim, which shifts it and makes you loop instead of going to commencement

unless your stage 5 is a dlc stage or gilded coast, which the portals just loop you naturaly instead

[rare mesa]

and how does the story work? how do i escape the planet

[lavish jacinth]

kill mithrix and escape

[rare mesa]

but he said no mythrix

[dim notch]

thats the main plot ending

[dim notch]

well, theres multiple endings

but when you reach the fifth stage of a loop (normal 5th stages) the same thing happens. theres the altar you can shift if you wanna loop AGAIN or you can go to commencement

[rare mesa]

so to complete the run and say victory, i have to kill mythrix no matter what?

[dim notch]

normaly, yes

thats the base end

[lavish jacinth]

if you want the true ending, yeah. But obliterating still counts as a win for stuff like mastery skins

[dim notch]

or you can obliterate yourself and call it a day, thats also an ending

[rare mesa]

nice

[dim notch]

theres also beyond obliterating urself, but you need to do it once at least normaly

and the dlcs have their own ends too

all of which are victories

[rare mesa]

for me 8 euro game is enough

[dim notch]

8 euro well spent

[rare mesa]

the game is ok

even tho i died 9 times since last win but im exploring so doenst rly matter

[lavish jacinth]

that's just how roguelikes are

[rare mesa]

the early stages and events are better than mythrix

[lavish jacinth]

you bang your head against a wall until one or the other breaks

[dim notch]

break every wall

[lavish jacinth]

mithrix isn't amazing as a boss but he does get easier once you get the hang of the fight

I have some tips for it in the pins if you want

[rare mesa]

yeah its pretty lame imo, it takes long

[rare mesa]

sure

[lavish jacinth]

yeah ngl, final bosses have never been ror2's strong point. Although the one from the Alloyed Collective DLC is really good

[rare mesa]

thx for tips, ima go now, ill try tomorrow to kill the king

[lavish jacinth]

gl

[bitter steeple]

What exactly does artifact of sacrifice do

[lavish jacinth]

chests don't spawn but enemies have a chance to drop items

[bitter steeple]

Oh, OK

Thought it was something else entirely

Also, when it says completely the event on the prime meridian that just means beating false son right

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[bitter steeple]

What’s the process for that like again? It’s been so long since I did the quest

[lavish jacinth]

just keep following the green portals

usually you'll start with a halcyon shrine on stage 1 but you can get them a few other ways, the most consistent one being by finding 3 hidden geodes in the bazaar and breaking them

[bitter steeple]

So just activate the shrine and go from there

And then, except the offering of the collective just means beat the solus heart right

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, you'll have an option to accept an offering, or just finish off the boss

if you're doing an 'accept' quest, be careful not to kill them by accident

[bitter steeple]

When does that offering come up in the fight?

[lavish jacinth]

after you kill it, it'll be alive at like 1hp

it only has one healthbar btw, the first time I did it I thought it was gonna be a second phase and I started shooting immediately lol

[bitter steeple]

So basically, I need to beat the game three times as the main characters, twice as the void characters and once as seekers and collective characters

To get all the skins

[lavish jacinth]

you can get mastery skins from any ending

[torpid fiber]

what character should i use to get my first monsoon win

[lavish jacinth]

whoever you like the most or feel most confident with, they're all viable

[torpid fiber]

even merc?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah ofc

[torpid fiber]

cus ive tried and its hard to beat mithrix in general with merc

[bitter steeple]

So as long as I do one of the other endings on monsoon, I can get two skins on the same run

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, he falls off a little against final bosses because his single-target damage isn't great

[bitter steeple]

Oh yeah, final bosses are gonna be difficult with Merc

[lavish jacinth]

just wait for windows to punish him and abuse your iframes

[torpid fiber]

i think ill try a dif character, prolly artificer

[lavish jacinth]

if you want someone who kills bosses extremely consistently you can try Acrid

[torpid fiber]

and if arti doesnt work, seeker is my last resort

[lavish jacinth]

poison does %health damage so you can just let it do the work while you focus on dodging

I also have some tips for mithrix in the pins

[torpid fiber]

hmmmm good idea ima do a quick monsoon acrid run

the pins? im new to the server and theres so many channels, its confusing

[bitter steeple]

Pinned messages

[torpid fiber]

ahhh i see

[bitter steeple]

Also, are Halycon shrines guaranteed to spawn on stage one

[lavish jacinth]

no, but they're pretty common, it's like a 66%ish chance because of the stupid dlc spawnpool limit (iirc)

[bitter steeple]

Oh gotcha

[lavish jacinth]

if you only have two dlcs active it'll be higher I think

[torpid fiber]

so if i were to disable a dlc the shrine would have a higher spawn rate

cool ig

anyways ima get to my acrid monsoon run, see ya guys

[bitter steeple]

What’s a good number of items to leave a stage with

[lavish jacinth]

all of them

and maybe drones too, you always wanna full-loot

[jaunty furnace]

get all of them

time does not matter that much

make yourself as strong as possible

[bitter steeple]

Are item rates down on monsoon

[rapid current]

i dont like drones that muh

[marble osprey]

No

[marble osprey]

They're much better now than they used to be, and now that there's drone scrappers you can turn them into regular item scrap later which makes them worth it

[bitter steeple]

Also

Strats for False Son?

[jaunty furnace]

pray

[nimble kiln]

Ummm is this normal i went through the teleporter and now everything is black

[livid wedge]

At 3 hours, might be

[rapid current]

why does my dad keep ending my runs

[trim lynx]

ive not seen that before

[nimble kiln]

Ive had 5 hour runs do fine though

[trim lynx]

did anything happen during stage transition?

[nimble kiln]

Nope everything was fine

[trim lynx]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nimble kiln]

Like im able to kill enemies fall off the map I just cant see anything

[steel lance]

couple of hours late but yea as others have said you want to get as many items as possible, it's far better to spend 10-15 minutes fully looting a stage than to get out in 5 minutes with only half the items

ideally you wanna be getting as much loot as efficiently as possible

[dim notch]

hey, how does this work btw?

[steel lance]

when one player pauses the game it gets paused for everyone else in the lobby

so if someone needs to go afk they can safely do so without needing to get to a stage where time doesn't progress

[dim notch]

so i just havbe to pres sesc?

[steel lance]

pretty sure so, yea

whenever you're in the pause menu it'll automatically pause for your friends so you won't get killed by a random beetle while paused

[dim notch]

does nto seem to work

[jaunty furnace]

there is a pause button in the pause menu

[dim notch]

oooh

[zinc fulcrum]

Am I aiming to beat the game with eevery character i've unlocked and unlock others?

[lavish jacinth]

pretty much

or don't, unlocking everything is kinda the main overall goal but you can also just do whatever seems fun

[zinc fulcrum]

Yeah I want to get an "Ending" With the characters before moving on

so I want to atleast get either a beat mithrix or obliteration

Also I Found my first gold alter

[ocean monolith]

If you want to have a win incentive, go into the Alternate Game Modes menu and select Eclipse

[zinc fulcrum]

DO those add things to the main game?

[livid wedge]

No, entirely separate

[zinc fulcrum]

Hrm.. dunno if I like that but I will try it out

[shy halo]

eclipse is monsoon+, would recommend getting used to monsoon before touching it

[zinc fulcrum]

Makes sense

Will do I think im gettng the hang of it though

just keep moving, avoid aoes

[lilac turret]

Does cmd-swarm use item like watches when the drones hit?

[mellow crystal]

the damage is considered to be yours yes
otherwise operator's m2 would suck

[trim lynx]

tbf it would probably still be pretty good

you can use it while doing other stuff and drones are actually strong now

[rigid current]

how rare is a triple halcyone shrine...

[rapid current]

very rare

[steel lance]

sounds like you're basically at top level of gameplay already

[zinc fulcrum]

if Only my playstyle matched my mindset lol

[ocean monolith]

You’ll get there eventually

[subtle violet]

Everyone says false sons slam does a lot of damage but mine is very weak im a using it wrong

[steel lance]

you've gotta let it charge for just over a second or it just does the same damage as a regular m1

but i think that has a different animation so it should be pretty obvious if you're doing that

[honest ravine]

So has the Switch 1 RoR2 always had a memory leak problem that caused it to crash?

If not, does that mean if I bought a physical copy and never updated it, I wouldn't have that issue?

[lavish jacinth]

it's a 1000% aoe that you can spam like every two seconds

and it has a 1.5 proc coeff if you use it in midair and fall for at least half a second

[subtle violet]

It says it doesnt do much damage when i use it

And then i go back to my m1 and i shred everything

[lavish jacinth]

idk what to tell you, just make sure you're actually charging the slam fully

[steel lance]

this is all i can think of

[bitter steeple]

Hey, so I’m like super stuck on the second part of the false son fight, playing Void Fiend

[lavish jacinth]

stuck in what way

[bitter steeple]

Keep dying, is there like a strategy I can use or is it just a skill issue?

[steel lance]

when the statue starts shooting the massive laser of death you need to break line of sight with it (hide behind one of the pillars), aoe items can be useful for dealing with the golems that spawn in, if you get lunar ruin (funky health bar debuff that the laser or the boss's spike attack apply) you can cleanse it by interacting with the geodes (yellow interactibles around the arena)

[stable cradle]

what are the main items i should aim for on false son?

[steel lance]

items that give health scale his abilities, luminous shot is great with his charged attack

[mellow crystal]

for the laser my best tip is to always use the pillars at the back (facing the statue) of the arena since those are the easiest to deal with laser from
in phase 2 it's as simple as moving backwards while looking at the pillar once fs is there, but in phase 3 where the arena is smaller, you wanna stay close to the pillar to bait out a melee, wait for him to get close and melee, then move backwards

[serene hollow]

is drifter gone tokyo drifting

[ocean monolith]

There is a cheese method for False Son, but it’s only necessary for Eclipse 8, but it works fine for Phase 2 on Monsoon

[serene hollow]

aight ty

[lilac turret]

does kijiros band proc flame so it works with ignition tank?

[lavish jacinth]

no

[steel lance]

ignition tank only affects the status effect burn, kjaro's band is just damage over time in an area flavoured as a 'runic flame tornado'

[south egret]

god, I wish

it would make it less of a hard synergy

plus, increasing kjaro dps would just be wonderful

[rapid current]

should i get hooks of heresy on drifter with trash cube i have 10 focus cristals

[south egret]

probably not

I am biased though, and I really don’t like hooks

[lilac turret]

can engis turits use hiker boots

[lavish jacinth]

yes, you'll have to put them on high ground for them to really make use of it though

[lilac turret]

whats the real diffrence on atg and plasma shrim and witch one is better

[ocean monolith]

It really depends on your build and character

Easiest way to decide which to grab is if you have or not

[steel lance]

atg is a chance to activate but does more damage, plasma shrimp gives you a shield and is guaranteed while you have the shield but does less damage - both are very good

[lavish jacinth]

AtG is 300% total damage with a 1.0 proc coeff and a 10% proc chance
Shrimp is 40% total with 0.2 coeff, and guaranteed proc chance as long as you have shields active

Generally shrimp is better due to the fact that you'll always have 1 extra shrimp, but AtG outperforms it if you have clover, or if you're a character with self-damaging skills that can't keep shields up easily

There's also the smaller detail that AtG missiles can find a new target if the original one dies, whereas shrimp missiles just fizzle out. But AtGs can also miss whereas shrimp never does

[lilac turret]

for huntress when should i pick strafe over flurry

sorry for all the questions

[ocean monolith]

Strafe is overall better, but Flurry has higher damage potential

[lilac turret]

what makes strafe better?

[ocean monolith]

Not needing Crit for it to be good and having a 1.0 proc coeff.

[steel lance]

flurry starts having higher dps than strafe when you reach ~70% crit iirc

so flurry is better if you can get to high crit but most non-looped runs won't get there so strafe is the more consistent choice

[lavish jacinth]

dw about it, it's what the channel is for

[marble osprey]

To elaborate on this, looking purely at the damage of the arrows themselves, flurry starts out a bit weaker, passes at 18% crit, and is 50% stronger at full crit
However it also has a weaker proc coefficient, so total DPS including proc items only surpasses at the 76% crit level mentioned here, and only ends up being 7.6% stronger at full crit, and it also has the downside of taking longer to switch targets since all the flurry arrows have to hit the same enemy
So purely numbers-wise, the tradeoff is being weaker early for only a very small improvement late-game, so it's definitely not worth it
However, I still use flurry anyway because I have more fun with it

[mellow crystal]

~30% is where it equalizes based on the wiki chart and 56%+ is where it becomes better by at least one watch

damage-wise that is

[marble osprey]

wiki math was off, fixed it now (pretty sure anyway)

[pallid girder]

guys, should I get 2 Sautéed Worms or 1 Sautéed Worms and 1 of each perforators?

[livid wedge]

More different proc items is better

[marble osprey]

probably 1 of each, having multiple different proc items is usally better

[pallid girder]

thanks

[hybrid frost]

what type of buld do yall make with rex? what are some of their synergies

[ocean monolith]

Proc builds ig

He's not very good with them because of the .5 proc coeff. across the board, but he can't really do burst and most certainly can't do Support in singleplayer so proc is kinda your only move

You can mesh in a self-damage build with , but it's not the best thing it can do

[pallid girder]

Kinda obvious, but Healing builds and self damage builds; these are the Items I usually look for when playing rex, but I don't main Rex so I could be wrong

[livid wedge]

Not plimp

Too much self damage, yoi keep breaking shield

[hybrid frost]

yea thanks! i feel like wecho and razorwire are very strong (just from 1 run lol)

[livid wedge]

Wecho also questionable on rex

Your self damage just makes it less useful

[hybrid frost]

its gives you more time to heal so you can use tyour abilities in quick succession without dying (again, from 1 run tho so could be wrong)

i was just spamming seed barrage

and it worked pretty well

[ocean monolith]

N'kuhanas is uh

Not good, even on REX

Neither is Rejuv Rack

[hybrid frost]

whats N'kuhanas even do. (in laymen's terms) ik what the item desc says but i dont understand it lol

[lavish jacinth]

for every 10% you heal, you fire a homing skull that deals damage equal to 25% of your health

ignore all the "soul energy" stuff, it means nothing

[hybrid frost]

That sounds good, especially for Rex.

[lavish jacinth]

it's not horrible but it's similar to aegis in that it requires an excessive amount of healing to be effective, and it's not worth the effort compared to just getting actual damage reds

[sturdy galleon]

anyone knows how to dodge the aoe attack from the giant white jellyfish?

[lavish jacinth]

it is a lot better than aegis though

[lavish jacinth]

get behind cover, it's based on line of sight

[hybrid frost]

Ok fair

[sturdy galleon]

thanks

[mellow crystal]

For reference I remember doing the math and you'd need to be healing 20% HP per second constantly to deal the same dps as commando m1

Though health scales faster than base damage so by stage 5 you'd be doing around captain m1 dps

Still not good enough for the requirement tho

[lavish jacinth]

it also only has a 0.2 proc coeff

[south egret]

cap

unless the meta has changed since AC came out, but passive damage is always nice

[ocean monolith]

The damage on it is also pitiful, so even when you get that healing, you might as well have put your items into something else

[south egret]

get more health

[ocean monolith]

Break line of sight or get really far away

[south egret]

the explosion checks LoS from the middle of the vagrant to your character’s feet.
So make sure your feet are behind cover and you’ll be fine

[ocean monolith]

There's no meta imo

[south egret]

this also means you can use the teleporter prongs to block the explosion damage since it’s a very simple check lol

[ocean monolith]

There's good builds and bad builds, but there's is no omega godsend build

[oak sapphire]

what are white items i should always be taking? i tend to lose runs by getting nuked by something and dying before i even realize what happened, even if i have high damage and healing. im guessing i need more damage reduction but im not sure what to be taking.

[jaunty furnace]

gives massive armor on a cooldown
helps greatly against low damage high firerare attacks (like wisp blasts and templar chainguns)
best form damage reduction is not getting hit in the first place

exist too but 🤷

[peak holly]

my goat

Barrier can be good if you get a few brooches

[rare mesa]

i feel like ror2 should update more often, especially in 2026

[oak sapphire]

how do prayer beads work?

[left trellis]

as you gain XP, the beads build up extra stats for you, but don't grant them to you. once they are removed from your inventory by any means (scrapper, printer, soup, mithrix stealing them, etc.), those buffs are granted to you

[oak sapphire]

ohh okay, thanks!

[steel lance]

i know someone else replied already, but i also want to mention warped echo (reduces the first hit you take every few seconds and splits it into three hits, so it procs items that trigger when you take damage multiple times) - you don't really need more than one, but having one is always nice

[fiery estuary]

Speaking of warped echo, mentioned this in #ror2-discussion but this might be the right place for it

Is stacking echo and tougher times as good as it seems, especially with good healing?

[tender temple]

Hating on psg after kinetic dampener came out is unfortunate

[fiery estuary]

oh, unrelated noob question
is delicate watch +20% final damage or just base damage? The tool tip is unclear, some things clarify total damage while some things say base

[steel lance]

tougher times is decent to have a few of but it doesn't stack linearly (obviously or at 8 stacks you'd have 104% chance to block damage), so it's worth grabbing a few but not too many imo
i personally don't go out of my way to stack wecho since it just increases the amount of instances the damage is broken into, and doesn't actually reduce the total amount of damage that's dealt to you beyond the first stack

[steel lance]

an item that deals % damage means it's dealing that percentage of your damage stat
an item that deals % total damage means it's dealing that percentage of the attack that triggered it's damage (so if you hit for 200% damage and then that triggers an atg missile for 300% total damage, it's doing triple that 200% for 600% of your damage stat)
items that say you deal a percentage bonus damage (watch, ap rounds, focus crystal etc) increase all damage you deal by that percentage while their conditions are met

[fiery estuary]

Yeah, but each stack has a chance to proc tougher times so you'll take less damage (handwaving a little probability there for the sake of simplicity) per hit

[fiery estuary]

Ahh, alright, thanks!

[steel lance]

so with watch specifically, you'll be dealing 1.2x damage from all sources (+0.2x per stack), but if you ever get low it's gone for good

[fiery estuary]

Over tons of "trials" it'll average out to the same % damage taken, but due to the more stacks you'll have significantly less variance in the damage. One or two bad rolls with only 3 stacks means taking a whole lot more damage than one or two bad rolls from 7 or 8 stacks

*stacks being damage chunks, sorry

[steel lance]

there's a pretty neat table on the wiki for how tougher times stacks, lemme grab it real quick

[trim lynx]

every stack reduces the remaining chance to get hit by 13% of itself

[fiery estuary]

I yoinked some numbers off the wiki, with 20 tougher times and warped echo, you take ~5.8% damage on average, and 32 warped echos gives you the least variance and is consistently closest to that 5.8

[fiery estuary]

yeah hyperbolic drives me crazy just because the first stack is also 13 and not 15

[steel lance]

just think of it as a 1 in 8 chance, it's slightly better than that but not enough to be noticeable

[fiery estuary]

Going up to 40 tougher times has you sit at around 1% damage taken on average, but best odds for lowest damage require ~50 echoes and i don't know at what point it's worth stacking another white item haha

Ig that's what my question boils down to yeah, at how many echoes should I start stacking a different item?

[livid wedge]

Not how it works, that's exponential

If it were, tougher times block chance at 10 would be 75%, not 60%

[jaunty furnace]

if i have a dampener or its a million psgs then yeah ill keep it

otherwise, scrap

[stuck venture]

do slicing winds hits scale with attack speed?

[somber moat]

https://medal.tv/games/ror-2/clips/mpymuwLDogMgLfOT7?invite=cr-MSxBUVAsMTExNjA1NDAx&v=29 hey does anyone know whats happening here? completely vanilla btw.

[steel lance]

when operator uses m2 to command a transport drone to pick up an immobile enemy it does that

i had to install miscfixes because my preferred operator loadout is default m2 with double transport drone and my computer wasn't strong enough to handle 5 million particles being generated so if i ever triggered that bug the game just crashed

[solid glade]

Do runs get harder as I complete them? For example if I complete my 5th run will the 6th be harder and have more scaling for enemies?

[steel lance]

nope, the only thing that affects a run's difficulty is the difficulty selection on the character select screen

[marble osprey]

if you want them to, you should check out the eclipse mode in alternate gamemodes, each run you win unlocks a new eclipse level for that character with a new rule that makes the game more difficult in some way

but yeah normal runs don't

[bitter steeple]

Does doing the trial of metamorphosis switch your survivor after loop or no

[steel lance]

yes

[bitter steeple]

Also, which one is the better secondary for commando?

[steel lance]

both are fine tbh, just a matter of preference

[bitter steeple]

Also, should I go through the effort of getting the grenade?

[south egret]

yes because 100%ing the game is fun, but I personally think the grenade is sorta mid

also, if you haven’t gotten the other achievement for going 20 stages, you can get two at the same time

[steel lance]

imo the grenade is better but only with practice, it's kinda finicky so if you don't want to sink a little time into mastering it suppressive fire will be a much more consistent pick

having a way to consistently proc bands when you can use the grenade well is really powerful

plus it's also just more fun to me, suppressive fire is neat and all but the grenade has more skill expression

[south egret]

I’m personally just a huge fan of on demand stun

[south egret]

if I wanted skill expression, I would be playing Bandit, Railgunner, or Loader lol

[steel lance]

that's fair, i just like having a more nuanced ability to spice up the otherwise very straightforward kit

[bitter steeple]

For the timed cheat thing is it just you need to get to RD in 10 or get there and find it in 10

[ruby totem]

What's considered the best Loadout for mul-t? I have only played power mode double scrap launcher but I want to try something new

[lavish jacinth]

double rebar/retool is a classic, it's a little annoying to use though

pretty much anything with powermode is strong, double nail is an easy one

powermode has a funny quirk where the accuracy of the primary weapon affects the secondary, so you can do saw+nail and have a perfectly accurate nailgun with great dps up close

[ruby totem]

I was playing power mode Saw/scrap launcher (yes, I know, that's stupid) and died to the heart so I'm looking for something easier and comfortable

[lavish jacinth]

double nail powermode is probably the way to go if you just wanna turn your brain off and shoot stuff until it dies

[ruby totem]

Nice, ty

[ocean monolith]

"Skill expression" "Loader"

[south egret]

finding ways to build speed and deal max damage with the heavy tag is a decent amount of skill expression.
It's not as much as the other two characters listed, though. That's for sure

[ocean monolith]

[ruby folio]

I don’t know if this counts as a game question but imma ask anyways, will ror ever come out on mobile devices?

[jaunty furnace]

rorr was close to getting a port

[high forum]

No

[south egret]

ror2 on mobile would be borderline unplayable

[pastel river]

so i think my game bugged but i beat minos and the walls wont go down

any fix or do i wait for the moon to explode

nvm i forgot to jump in the orb

[south egret]

lol "minos"

you're absolutely right, but ... people might not know who you're talking about

[trim lynx]

not really

it was just a side project made for fun

[steel lance]

find it

[hoary pelican]

I thought i had play my game in monsoon but at the end of defeating mithrix it was just normal difficuty, can the game set down the difficulty by not killing mithrix faster / doing any other thing? or is it just me doing shit with parameters before i start my run?

[high forum]

The selected difficulty cannot change/be changed once the game starts

[steel lance]

you musta misclicked at the start, difficulty can't change mid-run

[hoary pelican]

ok thanks

[rapid current]

what is the chance to get shared design if u have 100 salads

[jaunty furnace]

salads?

is that some translation bullshit or

[iron wedge]

just recently got all of the dlcs because of the sale! finally got void fiend and got to wave 50 of simulacrum! when do you guys think i should activate the next dlc?i got them all at once so i figured i should finish them one at a time and gradually activate all of them as i go

[rapid current]

clover

[jaunty furnace]

whenever ya want

[rapid current]

why am i not getting any shared design

i have 100 clovers

[steel lance]

imo survivors of the void doesn't have that much content you need to go out of your way to complete aside from the character ability unlocks, so you could probably move on to the next one whenever you feel like it

you could always enable them all now tbh, you have to actively choose to engage with dlc-exclusive areas

[marble osprey]

still only about a 2.5% chance to drop

[daring cloak]

That is... definitely not the correct math

Each reroll gives diminishing returns in the total probability

In other words the probability is definitely less than 1%

Potentially still less than 0.1%

[marble osprey]

ok how would you do the math then

[daring cloak]

I forgot the exact calculation

Its somewhere on the wiki tho

[marble osprey]

ok go look at the wiki, do the math, and get back to me

sound good?

[daring cloak]

Literally doinf that rn

Oh huh damn I underestimated how much 100 clovers do

2.5% is quite accurate

[marble osprey]

maybe lets actually do the math before telling someone theyre wrong next time ok?

[daring cloak]

I literally did the math

You dont gotta berate me

[marble osprey]

yeah im saying you shouldve done it before claiming that i was wrong, not after

[daring cloak]

I got a bit overconfident

[lavish jacinth]

rookie mistake

[daring cloak]

Im washed

[steel lance]

hey math guy take a chill pill

[steel lance]

that's okay it's good to stay clean 👍

[daring cloak]

Still though jesus turning a 1/4000 into close to 1/50...

[steel lance]

almost 1/40! it's kinda insane but obviously you need 100 clovers to get those odds which is... a lot

[marble osprey]

Sorry
I get annoyed easily when I put in the effort to find an answer and people don't do the same before saying I'm wrong

[daring cloak]

Yea thats fair :P

[steel lance]

that's understandable ^^

[marble osprey]

I appreciate that you did go back and check and owned up to it tho

[steel lance]

for what it's worth i already replied to their question in a different channel with a screenshot of the calculation included because i was scared i'd made a mistake, so i'm glad someone else did it too and got the same result

[daring cloak]

I mean I kinda gotta

[steel lance]

nah be confident

"well i did the math and it says 1/40 but i'm pretty sure that's because my calculator can't count"

[daring cloak]

I got rusty as fuckkk in math over the last year

[steel lance]

real as hell dawg i used to be so good at it but i haven't needed to use it in years so my ability is just slowly atrophying

[marble osprey]

im a math tutor irl so i get practice with the basic stuff like constantly lmao

higher level stuff im definitely getting rusty on tho

[steel lance]

well dang, if THE math guy is getting rusty i don't feel so bad about doing so myself

[marble osprey]

nah some people would've just deleted their comment and not said anything, ive had that happen before

[marble osprey]

happens to everyone lmao

[daring cloak]

Wtf 💔

Actually no Im right and you're wrong, because im gonna reinvent math in a way so Im right

[marble osprey]

true and based

i aint never been wrong, at most ive been temporarily mistaken

[final kernel]

Hi guys, on an Acrid run rn to unlock his skins I just killed the solus heart, and tried to rerun it by not going on the moon because I didn’t do the halcyon shrine but I can’t seem to find it, is it only on stage 1 ? Do I have to start again to get the Iguana skin ?

[steel lance]

the halcyon shrine can spawn on any stage but is more likely to spawn on the first stage of a loop, if you go to the gilded coast (gold portal area) before stage 4 of your current loop there's also a guaranteed green portal after clearing that

[final kernel]

The gilded coast being one of the maps ?

[steel lance]

gilded coast is the map you get access to by entering a gold portal

[final kernel]

How do I even get a gold portal I don’t recall activating one (sry)

Ok found how mb

[steel lance]

no need to apologise ^^

[muted echo]

is it possible to play with more than four people ?

[marble osprey]

only with mods, but yes

[marble osprey]

also the most reliable way to get a green portal is while in the lunar shop, there are some little golden geodes hidden around the place, if you break all of them it'll spawn a green portal

[bitter steeple]

Is it better to go on the false son path right after stage one or should you loop in rainstorm

[manic sun]

For what specifically

[bitter steeple]

Like when is it best to activate the shrine so that you have the best success for the false son fight?

[shy halo]

i thought that the game technically supported 16 players but you had to dink around in the console to open a lobby for that

[shy halo]

loop until everything is only scavengers and dies instantly

[ocean monolith]

False Son sucks to fight so if you don't feel like actually playing the bossfight then just loop

Otherwise go whenever, doesn't really matter

[marble osprey]

I know there are commands for it, but idk if they're unlocked in vanilla or if you'd need DebugToolkit for that anyway

[shy halo]

wiki says console opens with CTRL+ALT+`

[steel lance]

you'll always have better odds in a looped run but if you just loop until you're killing everything with ease then you won't actually learn the fight

[shy halo]

they said best odds, not actually doing the fight as intended

[steel lance]

so if you only care about getting unlocks then you might as well just loop until you're broken beyond comprehension but if you want to learn the boss fight then i wouldn't recommend looping

[lavish jacinth]

adding more players is one of the few console commands that does actually work in vanilla

[marble osprey]

It opens with that yeah but most of the commands just don't work

Also i just got collectors compulsion on false son for the first time and it's crazy good

[shy halo]

now think about drifter since junk counts as a pickup

[marble osprey]

No that's not it

It's the fact that the compulsion buff gives him a % max hp buff

[shy halo]

compulsion is an all stats up

[marble osprey]

It's the only thing increasing my health and i have 13 spikes and 3 laser bursts

It's way better here than on drifter

[steel lance]

difference is that drifter can achieve permanent uptime without needing other items or interactibles

false son sees more benefit but drifter can reap the rewards more consistently

good on both imo

[marble osprey]

Sure but there's plenty of ways to enable it
I just have one monster tooth and it's up constantly

[steel lance]

yeah but, for example, in the mithrix fight your monster tooth isn't gonna be giving you the same effects

[shy halo]

also either you're lv 65 or you have more hp items

[marble osprey]

Oh i scrapped a prayer beads that's right

Ok idk how much it'd be doing without that then tbf

[lilac turret]

when should i choose the voide items for atg and tri tip dagger

[soft sentinel]

i would still consider myself newer considering i havent beat the game once, can anyone give me some tips as a mul-t main?

[shy halo]

double rebar retool is good, retool lets you skip rebar's endlag to fire again immediately
power mode good and has some neat interactions although it is an unlock

[steel lance]

biggest advice i can give is to try different combinations of weapons to see which you vibe with the most, and prioritise items that play into the strengths of those weapons - if you really like rebar puncher and want to run two rebars then building items like tri-tip dagger which benefit from hitting the enemy a lot is going to be a lot weaker than things like runald's and kjaro's band, which reward you for high-damage hits

[soft sentinel]

personally i prefer nail gun and launcher, i feel like they have a good balance between each other and they are both fun to play with but i will try double rebar and see how far it takes me

[steel lance]

there's no wrong answer when it comes to mul-t loadouts imo, some weapons are definitely stronger than others but they all fill different niches and feel fun to use

[narrow pine]

how much does completing a stage increase the rate of difficulty scaling by

like the wiki says that each stage completed makes the bar go faster but it doesnt say by how much

nvm cant read

[shy halo]

15% multiplicatively

command

[marble osprey]

Atg - plasma shrimps are pretty much universally better, unless you're not able to keep the shield up consistently, and the gap is even bigger for things with a low proc coefficient, such as mul-t nailgun. The only exception to this is if you have clovers, since the luck increase doesn't benefit plasma shrimp, so it can allow atg to overtake it. One clover is enough for atg to be better with a 1.0 proc coefficient, but it takes more clovers the lower the proc coefficient is.
Tri-tip dagger - the void item deals more damage if it's just applied once, but bleed has the benefit that adding a new stack refreshes the duration of the old stack. So if you're playing a character that can consistently keep applying more and more bleed stacks like commando or mul-t, it's better to keep tri-tips, since you can get to hundreds of bleed stacks at once. If you're not able to, then take the void one

[shy halo]

get like 5 halcyon seeds, 3 billion lunar shards(not stakes), run alt special, drop all damage boosting items right before mithrix(if you're not running command), during final phase only poke mithrix enough to keep lunar ruin up without killing him(usually 1 shard at a time), wait for aurelionite to do her thing and hope that mithrix doesn't run out of ruin at 1 hp or something

also no offensive drones into phase 4 mithrix, you may have to stall while he pizzas

with enough s2 stacks + laser burst, you don't need any damage items

also if you got AC, you can use SPEX to drop items
or get lucky on verdant falls to get that scrapper on top of the crashed ship. it is guaranteed to either have a scrapper or large chest spawn there even with command

[cobalt plover]

I do have it

[shy halo]

you're better off just keeping him under perpetual lunar ruin, the damage multiplier stacks multiplicatively

while false son is not beaten, gilded coast has a 15% chance to spawn in the lunar seers in the bazaar

default recharge is just a bit faster than the debuff's lifespan

yeh

you don't really need to aim that hard to use it in combat, although you do need to keep in mind that it can only teleport to/target proper flying enemies and not airborne walking enemies

[cobalt plover]

Gotcha

[shy halo]

honestly find it a lot more useful for beating the crap out of birds and stuff than the default utility

and that is before considering energized core

triple lunar tempering with duration scaling with growth so you can get 100% buff uptime

you do lose the free air mobility of step of the brothers, but you still got laser blast recoil and the itemless false son pillar skips

meridian's will does a big suck on teleport so you can just force them to you

hit some of the flying bozos with the fall damage

[cobalt plover]

One more thing, would you say stone flux is a necessity? It does make me a nuke but I dont like moving THAT slow, even if the tampering buff kinda offsets it

[lilac turret]

What makes void bands bad

[shy halo]

opportunity cost, regular bands are just a humongous damage multiplier

[cobalt plover]

On their own id say they are mediocre, they just corrupt some of the best items in the game

[shy halo]

stone flux isn't a necessity but one usually mid run is pretty good, an easy way to get a ton of growth

even if you can't get some beef or infusion, a trip or two to the bazaar can easily get you the growth

[steel lance]

because of this, if you spam all your spikes into the ground at the start of phase 4 and then just use one every time you get a charge back, you'll have permanent lunar ruin uptime with minimal damage dealt to the boss

[shy halo]

also would not recommend if you're using stakes, the QoL that comes from shards having full auto firing is very important

[cobalt plover]

I see

I love using stakes just cause of the larger hitbox and the more satisfying animation but idk if they are even better in the first place

[shy halo]

i would say better aside from that one major issue of being single shot

not being able to easily dump all your s2 makes them worse for longer/laggier runs

your click speed means nothing to 0.5 fps

your pc can survive taking an ICBM?

[cobalt plover]

Yeah

[steel lance]

also not agile

yea this

[cobalt plover]

I feel like at MOST I fall to 90

[shy halo]

if you could easily dump all your charges, spending a second or two to empty every 10 or 20 seconds wouldn't hurt that much

[steel lance]

imo both are perfectly viable depending on preference

[shy halo]

stakes got better combat power but shards have QoL for lunar tempering

[cobalt plover]

I see it sorta like bomb vs spear on arti

No clear winner

I like spear more though

[shy halo]

huh

could have just gotten a stage 1 tricorn...

[cobalt plover]

I did bro trust. 30 rerolls and when I finally got one on 27 I misclicked it before I hit the boss

So triple shaped glass it was

[shy halo]

naw i mean i just looped till I had unstable tesla and got lucky to have the teleporter boss spawn next to me before the spare drone parts got to anything

[cobalt plover]

That works too

I dread when the time comes for ethereal merc.

[shy halo]

best keep an eye out for the golden trial combo of command + glass

[cobalt plover]

I mean i ALMOST did current seed. First stage is piss easy because its a halcyon shrine but I just can't cheese the worms like cabbage does

Do you think they are gonna do something about transcendence on Seeker? I won my first monsoon run so effortlessly with that

[shy halo]

probably not, QoL updates and bug fixes are minimal priority for gearbox

balls is a lot easier to use than rising fist

[cobalt plover]

Yeah I use balls

Mainly meant the primary and ults

Palm is OK but meditate is super jank

[shy halo]

its a quicktime event to explode

[cobalt plover]

I do it fast but it feels really short ranged

And it halts your momentum even if its just for a little bit

[shy halo]

useful for air stalling in some cases

[cobalt plover]

Thats primarily what i use it for yeah

But nothing beats ion surge with the toggle Jetpack setting for arti in terms of jank

Its basically mandatory to go hold

[shy halo]

artificer can't be beat in airtime

999999999th consecutive winner of The Floor is Lava

[cobalt plover]

Yeah I meant that if you have toggle enabled in settings you can't pop Jetpack right after surge. You have to wait

With hold it feels amazing

But i would be sacrificing my thumb just to play arti

[shy halo]

kinda wonder why they didn't just make ion surge end with hover active anyway

[cobalt plover]

If only

Dunno if there are official suggestion forums but if there are this should be there

[shy halo]

i mean we got #ror2-feedback-and-ideas but it is dubious if gearbox has the devs look at any of it

[oak sapphire]

is it possible to go to the prime meridian more than once per run? we went at the start but forgot the halcyon seed so we kept going, we're on stage 20 now and havent seen a single green portal, only gold

[shy halo]

no

[steel lance]

once you kill false son, you get locked out of the path of the colossus (green portal stages) for the rest of the run

[oak sapphire]

well

oops

[cedar ocean]

Is that true?

I think I’ve looped before and killed false son twice

[livid wedge]

It was bugged for a bit near the beginning and maybe one patch into the fixes

[muted echo]

are you allowed to tell me what mods or nah?

[jaunty furnace]

mods arent against the rules lol

[marble osprey]

It's definitely allowed, I just don't know the name of the mod off the top of my head, it's not one i use i just know it exists

[mellow crystal]

TooManyFriends

[muted echo]

Thank you

[hearty lagoon]

How do you obliterate yourslef at the obleisk?

[trim lynx]

loop back to stage 3 environment and go through the celestial portal that spawns after teleporter completion

[hearty lagoon]

huh

[trim lynx]

which is stage 8 by earliest

do yer know how to loop?

[hearty lagoon]

i do

how my username is red very cool my favorite color

[trim lynx]

#identify-yourself

mine is orange

despite my current appearance

teehee

[hearty lagoon]

can you explain in more basic terms since im pretty new to the game
so you lopp, right? and then what?

https://tenor.com/view/mizuki-mizuki-akiyama-mizuki-pjsk-pjsk-project-sekai-gif-9476252015368228175

[high forum]

On stage 8, a different color portal will automatically appear when you finish the teleporter event

[trim lynx]

you just looks and play as normal until you get to one of the stage 3 environments

[hearty lagoon]

oh ok ill try to do that

[trim lynx]

theres no real prerequesite except getting there

[hearty lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-risk-of-rain-2-captain-risk-of-rain-gif-8424462717617143463

[trim lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-ooo-thumbs-up-gif-27632479

[hearty lagoon]

darn it i died ill try agai9n

[trim lynx]

thats annoying

good luck !!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-changerion-gif-11716512

you got this

[worthy osprey]

how to run hermits off map, no glue no borax. (I swear this achievement makes me want to cry)

[marble osprey]

loop and go to titanic plains, try to avoid anything that can kill something unintentionally like drones, tesla coil, little disciple, massive aoes or long proc chains, etc. spend a little bit of time just running around the stage killing anything that isnt a hermit crab, don't try to run them off yet. Start and finish teleporter event so other enemies will stop spawning and kill all non-hermit crab enemies. you should be left with a lot of hermit crabs just sitting there around the map trying to snipe you, and you can take your time chasing them off the stage. if there weren't enough, loop again and repeat. using command makes it a lot easier to avoid anything that could accidentally kill a hermit crab while still being strong enough to not get killed

[hearty lagoon]

I did it and got this class
so cool I love magical swords

[trim lynx]

yay!!! ^_^

merc is one of my all time favs, has lots to work with

congrats!!

[ocean monolith]

Can’t wait to hear your questions about him

[hearty lagoon]

When I see a masculine character I can project myself onto I click

[ocean monolith]

[cedar ocean]

Merc probably has the highest skill ceiling just so you know

[hearty shore]

is there a limit to how many times you can get the halcoynne Shrine reward

[mellow crystal]

also the highest skill floor i would say

it isn't that much higher than other survivors but it is higher

[bitter steeple]

In order to get the quest for the rifle done do I just have to kill an enemy with wipe out 15 times or do it while a skill is on cool down

[lavish jacinth]

nah, just kill 15 enemies with lights out, it resets its own cooldown

the only thing that'll break the streak is using lights out and not killing an enemy with it

[trim lynx]

[lavish jacinth]

...nnnnnnah...

[weak marsh]

is it better to have eviscerate or the other one for merc?

[lavish jacinth]

preference, they're both good

[final needle]

I'm trying to find the halcyon shrine in stage 6, is it a guaranteed spawn?

[livid wedge]

No

[hearty shore]

yes it is?

[lavish jacinth]

it isn't

it's common on stage 1 maps, but not guaranteed

[nimble goblet]

A bit late, but wanna just say, to see if a halcyon shrine spawned when you enter stage 1, 6, whatever, just look at chat to see "you hear a thunder rumbling". If you see it, there is a shrine somewhere. If not, then the game said "fuck you" and decided not to spawn it. It is not guaranteed, but very common

[cunning gorge]

Wait couldn't it also say a gold orb appears if that shrine has a halcyonite portal or no?

[nimble goblet]

Yes. I am pretty sure. As it would say things like "green portal appears" if you beat halcyon shrine even if teleporter isnt done.