ror2-game-questions

[gritty vale]

right on thank you dude

[south egret]

yeah i definitely don’t recommend buying all three dlc’s simultaneously

[lavish jacinth]

Well, you could buy them all at once, if they're on sale or something and you plan to get them all eventually

[jaunty furnace]

go in release order
sotv sots ac

[lavish jacinth]

You can turn them off-in game so you could still play them one at a time if you wanted

[south egret]

true

[keen basin]

i can use artifacts while beating monsoon and still get the mastery right?

[jaunty furnace]

yes

may hold you back from getting better at the game though

[heavy gorge]

Plot twist: They’re using Honor and Evolution

[hardy badger]

What's Evolution do?
(Only Played Returns)

[livid wedge]

Enemies get items every stage

Like they do in vields

[scarlet salmon]

So does unlocking the False sun end your run?

[trim lynx]

only if you choose to!!

[livid wedge]

No, unlocking son only requires defeatinf fs the halcyon seed

The decision afterward to loop or is independent of that unlock

[scarlet salmon]

I just wanted to make sure thanks for the info

[solid lantern]

What items are good on operator

[plain mist]

spare drone parts

fr tho, i think after FS he is the 2nd place in getting insanely high damage output from luminous shots due to his highly spammable secondary and the fact that you dont even need items for it to get extra charges

[solid lantern]

FS?

Oh false son

[plain mist]

apart from that id say almost every item that would make any other character strong aswell
Syringes, bands, prayer beads, crit and so on

[sullen basin]

what are some usual QoL mods that people run?

[copper pivot]

hey does the sentry key move speed buff stack with how many you have or is it just only +15% no matter how many you have

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't stack

same with prison matrix

[severe nexus]

can anyone explain how artificer can get higher single target damage than loader?
most damage dealt by artificer: 63,692,356
most damage dealt by loader: 24,150,538
i can send ss in dms if anyone wants to see

[lavish jacinth]

by stacking lots of damage multipliers

hard to get more specific than that without seeing the actual items from those runs, but combining multipliers and proc chaining can easily do tons of damage on any survivor

[severe nexus]

we have the same amount of items tho, and i thought i stacked way more single target multipliers

[lavish jacinth]

the number of items isn't as important as item variety tbh
multipliers can multiply each other

and the same is true with proc items, since most of them do a % of the hit that procced them

[severe nexus]

can i show u the items in dms

[lavish jacinth]

you can post it here if you get a role, #roles

(also for the record, sometimes the stat tracking in runs is just kinda jank, but the numbers here are reasonable enough that the arti player could've just gotten a really good proc chain or something)

[devout basin]

An box of dynamite

[jaunty furnace]

arti had better items

[void rune]

I have an issue with Seeker's alt shift, where it just instantly procs the tornado and cancels the ability. Why does that happen?

[cyan niche]

Is there a way to farm lunar coins, I can’t modify my save because I play on console, so I can’t just give myself all the lunar coins I would need

[north granite]

I used to just either drizzle beads or mithrix on command + sacrifice if I needed many

usually loader for speed and pillar skip

It takes a while though if you wanna get a bunch

Otherwise I just have been trying not to use lunars at all to keep my money up across runs

[glacial knoll]

dont use transcendence

[high sedge]

this happens when your barrier hits 0, and its calculated as a portion of your health

[void rune]

ohhhhh

[snow dagger]

So, which monsters am I missing? Trying to complete the log.

[jaunty furnace]

void devastator, alloy hunter, the solus bosses, overloading worm

i think

[snow dagger]

Solus are not drops

So I need to get lucky with overloading worm. I see. Thanks!

[jaunty furnace]

solus heart is

wing is in a location

[snow dagger]

Play

That's what I need to do then. Time for clover stacking.

[river ledge]

ok so im playing railgunner and i just got a shaped glass, are there any ways with 4 lunar items i could basically negate the negative effect?

like i could go stoneflux but then i am painfully slow

so idk what to do

[hoary sedge]

you could stack transcendence

[river ledge]

what does that do?

and which one is that

[hoary sedge]

, +50% hp per stack and all hp is converted to shields

[river ledge]

i see, would that convert spinel tonic extra health aswell?

[hoary sedge]

yeah

[river ledge]

i see i see

thanks

[hoary sedge]

but yeah since the shield conversion is the "downside" stacking it has literally 0 drawback

[river ledge]

i see, whats the downside of having shield exept for health, does that mean if i take fall damage i just die?

[hoary sedge]

the downside is SUPPOSED to be that you have to rely on shield regen (which takes 9 seconds of not getting hit) to regain any health

[river ledge]

i have also just noticed this mythical pull, might use all my commons

[hoary sedge]

except that's actually a positive bc that's not that hard and you can scrap all healing items for damage

[jagged coral]

if theres any wiki mods in here can they PLEASE add the complete logbook for most pages in wiki

[river ledge]

i see i see

[hoary sedge]

and it actually makes you immune to fall damage bc it doesn't count shields as max health

[river ledge]

oh, so just a net positive

[hoary sedge]

yeah basically

[river ledge]

and psgs, many psgs

[jaunty furnace]

...i dont think thats a good deal lol

3 green scrap for 1 green scrap

[grand ore]

*7 secs

[jaunty furnace]

good deals are stuff like and

[hoary sedge]

bc its also perma uptime on dampener, stew, ultimate meal, and , is a 50% boost to every max health up, and completely negates 3 eclipse modifiers

[river ledge]

its 3 grey for 1 green that you get back at the end of each round

[hoary sedge]

9 secs to heal fully, the regen takes 2

[river ledge]

infinite scrap hence the name, regenerative scrap

[grand ore]

Oh sorry then

[jaunty furnace]

you arent gonna use regen scrap much unless you loop

[river ledge]

but why wouldnt i loop when i have REGEN SCRAP

[jaunty furnace]

or get like 5 for free bazaar reds
...but in that case youre sacrifing 15 white scrap

[jaunty furnace]

because its #Boring :3

(subjectively)

[river ledge]

Looping is fun as hell, you become op, its cool

[hoary sedge]

the only actual downside of transcendence is on self damage rex and false son but otherwise it's basically a straight upgrade

[jaunty furnace]

yeah thats the problem, there is no challenge anymore

you just sit and wait for the tp while everything dies

[hoary sedge]

(it does render n'kuhanas basically useless but that doesn't really change anything)

[river ledge]

and another stage that doesnt count on time or stage count, yippee

lowk insane bazaar for right after stage 1

wait, is the attack speed gives permanant or temporary?

[sharp sundial]

its a temporary buff

[river ledge]

OH, that is so mid on railgunner

[sharp sundial]

you can see the orange fangs icon above your healthbar when it goes off

[river ledge]

oh

i see

[jaunty furnace]

and your character

[hoary sedge]

its decent on the alt scope but yeah it's not great on base

[jaunty furnace]

its consistent if youre consistent

its not bad but its better as green scrap

[river ledge]

man i love one shotting everything

[river ledge]

yeah ill prolly scrap it

[primal cipher]

Rq

What do u gotta do for bandit's collective skin

[grand drift]

How do you get the mercenary alternate move from prismatic trial

[frosty reef]

Check pins here #prismatic-trials

[lavish jacinth]

You can check in the in-game logbook, under the challenges section (but bandit accepts iirc)

[grand drift]

But like where do you select prismatic trial as a game mode

[frosty reef]

Alternate game modes menu and you can't have mods enabled

[meager tapir]

what can drifter grab

[naive raven]

teammates, and then you throw them off map

also all shrines to turn into junk, enemies, and basically everything else besides teleporter.

[north granite]

You can also move chests to say Captain's hacking beacon in multiplayer for more gain

Or just generally keeping chests away from the edge of the map where they drop loot into pits

[indigo socket]

does fighting mithrix as a drone while dead revive you?

[blissful dragon]

what is the risk of rain dedication/dedicated server for? (reply to this)

[clever timber]

Yo i seem to be having a problem me and my friend can't play togethor it keeps disconnecting one of us randomly we've changed who's hosting we both have cross play turned off and have used the in game lobbys I don't know whats wrong

any help/advice would be appreciated

[quaint pelican]

can anyone confirm if ts is true?? Like it should because hopoo games made this but it seems so crazy to me to have “risk of rain 2 but every enemy is heretic”

[steady stone]

i dont believe they've patched it

they tried to prevent it, as the heresy items themselves are on aiblacklist, but id assume that's just ignored with eulogy

[trim lynx]

its still a thing yea

[sullen basin]

does nkuhanas opinion work if you have transcendence

[lavish jacinth]

it technically works, but any %-based healing will be pretty much worthless since you only have 1hp

[vapid wraith]

Was drifter nerfed i cant get junk from junk cube

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it doesn't drop junk anymore

[vapid wraith]

Bruh

[chrome tangle]

does beating eclipse not add survivors to the logbook? I beat bandit on E1 and he isnt showing in the logbook do I have to beat it again in the normal game mode

[lavish jacinth]

yep

no idea why

[chrome tangle]

thx

[trim ice]

Hey i havent played false son in a while and so i picked him again and got myself a stone flux to carry my friend and i was surprised at how slow it felt compared to before, even with meridians will and using all my spikes. Did they nerf the movement speed bonus from using all of his secondary or am i crazy?

[lavish jacinth]

it's bugged atm, it reduces your speed to 1/3 instead of half

[trim ice]

Oh damn, how long has it been like this?

[delicate pewter]

hey guys im thinking about getting RoR2 dlcs any reccomendations

[lavish jacinth]

pretty recently, it was either the AC update or the patch that came after it, I forget

[lavish jacinth]

if you can only get one I'd recommend SotV first, but all three are really good

[trim ice]

And also there hasnt been any update to the movement speed false son gets from spending all his spikes? (Since like the SotS updates to fix the dlc)

[lavish jacinth]

should still be the same

[trim ice]

Okok tyvm

[delicate pewter]

which RoR dlc is the best

[lavish jacinth]

"best" is subjective, but all three are good
If you're deciding which one(s) to buy, just go in order of release

[delicate pewter]

should i buy dlcs rn or should i wait for a sale

[lavish jacinth]

entirely up to you, it'll probably be a few months before the next steam sale though (idk about other platforms)

[pseudo nest]

Have they planned on more dlcs after collective alloyed

[lavish jacinth]

probably

[pseudo nest]

Damn

[lavish jacinth]

devs said they have more plans for the game, although they haven't given any details yet

[trim ice]

Whats the best way to report bugs? Where do the devs look?

[lavish jacinth]

#1440408911604879511

[jaunty furnace]

go in release order
sotv > sots > ac

[jaunty furnace]

your choice
https://steamdb.info/sales/history/

[shy palm]

if the 5 minute rule is bs, how do i stop getting outscaled on monsoon?

or is minutes spent chipping away at a high level enemy just... Part of the experience?

[lavish jacinth]

it do be like that sometimes
just make sure you're full-clearing stages and prioritizing damage

in my experience it's usually not too hard to have half-decent damage unless you're incredibly unlucky

don't neglect drones either btw, they can easily soft-carry your dps on early stages

[shy palm]

honestly i just diversify across stuff like watches, apr, focus crystal if i'm melee

yesteday i stacked 10 lens since i learned they're always a 10% increase to crit chances so i was getting constant crits

and my god i was just melting everything until a lunar chimera wiped the floor with me

i think i just suck at dodging

heard zig-zagging is good for most enemy attacks

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, that's what you wanna do. The more variety the better

[lavish jacinth]

Just circlestrafing and jumping is usually enough, most enemies don't lead their shots and have limited turn speed, so as long as you're not running straight towards or away from them you'll dodge most things

[shy palm]

now i see why convergence is a double edged sword

[lavish jacinth]

It's more of a convenience item imo

Saving like 30-40 seconds per stage makes almost no difference, and the smaller radius means you'll probably have to spend more time outside the zone anyway

So it's only worth it if you're already on an unkillable god run and just wanna get to the end

[marble magnet]

How do you get the solus wing logbook?

[primal vector]

It is on one of the rooms

The want where you can get the cubes, I think

[marble magnet]

Where specifically

Or is it just randomly placed

[primal vector]

It is below the entrance

[marble magnet]

Ieght thanks

This was a actually enjoyable solus wing no loop fight

I think it's heart I have a problem with when doing AC route no loop

[primal vector]

For me is the blue orbs that spawn when it gets bigger. They are my nemesis

[marble magnet]

Yea

Man I didn't scrap the lepton daisy I have specifically for crafting and it can't even craft anything

Whatever I got good items

[jaunty furnace]

did you check for things you can craft into to then use with lepton

like dagger + bantern = thorn

[pale garnet]

Whats the best drone for each rarity

[jaunty furnace]

depends

drones serve different purposes

[high sedge]

white - probably transport drone
green - all these are mid so equipment drone
red - tc-280 prototype by far

[jaunty furnace]

healing drone - good if youre low on healing
transport drone - can deal heavy damage to annoying enemies like halcyonite
junk drone - can make you quite powerful and has macro potential, also has synergy with duplicator

cleanup drone - powerful money generation
barrier drone - quite a lot of barrier but idk if it does it that often

tc280 - tankiest drone and deals pretty high damage
freeze drone - freeze is powerful

[primal vector]

The problem with barrier drone is thta it lacks armor and dies more easily

[jaunty furnace]

also decisions will change if youre on operator or captain

they both benefit from having a lot of drones

[cobalt herald]

is there a gaurenteed legendary chest on repurposed crater

i found it nvm

[drifting reef]

what’s the best play style for merc

[jaunty furnace]

whichever one you find the most fun

one big thing you should learn is m1 tech
dash immediately after the third m1 swing to expose everything you go through

[marble magnet]

I forgot

[jaunty furnace]

gotta think harder there

[blissful dragon]

what is the risk of rain dedication/dedicated server for? (reply to this)

[hardy badger]

Matchmaking, Art and General Shenanigans

[hollow hearth]

What would be a good starting dlc to get?

[blissful dragon]

survivors of the void for sure

[jaunty furnace]

sotv 10000%

just go in release order really

[sullen basin]

for the survivors that have multiple charges of their m1 (like bandit, operator, and arti) does atk speed make them recharge faster?

[jaunty furnace]

yea

[sullen basin]

anyone else experienced something like this??

[hoary sedge]

yeah collision gets kinda funky once you get really high movement speed

[sullen basin]

i've also experienced floor clipping with drifter's junk cube

[hardy badger]

Gearbox My Beloved
Thank you for the Buggy Mess we all adore!

[sullen basin]

i'm assuming these are known bugs now?

[lavish jacinth]

Yep

[daring summit]

Do items that heal or provide barrier have no meaningful impact on eclipse 8? I finished my first ever e8 on operator and the items just dont help at all given the permanent damage modifier

[hoary sedge]

well healing is nerfed pretty heavily by e5 already, and most good healing is % health so it does heal you numberically less as curse accumulates

[jaunty furnace]

feel like something spawned on you

[hoary sedge]

barrier depends on the item, topaz brooch is unaffected bc it's a flat amount per kill but eclipse lite and transmitter both scale down with the hp reduction

[indigo dawn]

whats the False Son DIABLO timing?

[kindred wadi]

does artificers m1 recharge rate scale with attack speed?

[tame yoke]

im trying to play with other people but everytime they join they are instantly disconnected

[lavish jacinth]

if you're all on steam, make sure you all have the same crossplay settings (preferably have it off).
Also disable any VPNs, and if any of you are running mods, either disable them or share them so that you all have the same ones

[tame yoke]

okay thanks

[drifting reef]

whats the best way to gain speed with loader

[lavish jacinth]

go for wide swings while grappling

while you're grappled you constantly accelerate in the direction you're holding, so the bigger the swing, the faster you'll go

[drifting reef]

so that means the key im holding down matters right

[lavish jacinth]

grapple movement also isn't affected by your speed stat, so speed items don't matter

[lavish jacinth]

yep, you wanna hold in the direction you're swinging

[drifting reef]

what lunar items are good for him

[lavish jacinth]

*her
and nothing too special, all the usual good ones are pretty strong etc.. can also be kinda nice if you aren't using her primary much

[drifting reef]

alr thanks

[lavish jacinth]

https://youtu.be/zeRRJGfzuSw this might be helpful if you wanna practice her movement btw

[drifting reef]

i heard ruland band is rlly good for her

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, both bands are good

[drifting reef]

im jst getting back into this game rn so im just confused what to get

i just found a null portal in the lunar area

[lavish jacinth]

are all notable for loader, but anything that multiplies damage in some way is gonna be strong (that includes total damage procs like )

but don't worry about it too much tbh, you really don't need to get specific builds for characters, and the best policy is to get a bit of everything

[drifting reef]

what is this

[lavish jacinth]

takes you to void fields

[drifting reef]

i prolly shouldnt go in it cuz im just getting back into this game

[lavish jacinth]

I wouldn't recommend it as loader anyways, void fields is rough with melee characters

but there's also no real harm in trying it since you can leave at any time, just remember that you can only go there once per run

[drifting reef]

how long did it take you to get the hang of loader

[brisk crypt]

There any way to get to Prime Meridian multiple times in one run anymore?

[lavish jacinth]

I think it can still show up in lunar seers sometimes, or you can use the geodes in the bazaar to force a portal to spawn

Someone might correct me on that, I'm pretty sure it's still possible through some jank method but I can never remember all the sots routing shit lol

[lavish jacinth]

kinda hard to remember, it's been years at this point lol
but I don't think it took me too long

[brisk crypt]

Either I'm unlucky or that can't happen.

[dusky raven]

I think you gotta go to the bazaar after a stage 5 (with the primordial tp) and break all 3 the geodes then it should give a green portal

[brisk crypt]

Tried. I've reached the point where my mere existence nukes entire levels.

[scarlet salmon]

I've recently started playing void fiend and noticed on my corruption meter theres a white tab that it doesn't seem to go bellow that i believe is increasing. How does it work exactly?

[lavish jacinth]

your minimum corruption increases by 2% for every void item you have

[scarlet salmon]

Ah thanks.

[cyan niche]

Do items respawn after awhile? If so how long does it take

[lavish jacinth]

like if they fall off the map? no

[cyan niche]

Like if I’m in doing artifact of sacrifice and leave the item spawn behind for later

[lavish jacinth]

oh nah, they'll stay on the ground forever

[silent tulip]

if i find a glasses printer how many is it worth printing?

sometimes i just stack 10 but i feel like that might not be the most efficient

[lavish jacinth]

there are a few other items that can give crit chance, so there's really no need to print more than like 8 or 9. And even printing that many might be excessive unless you've got lots of spare scrap

and it's always better to diversify your damage sources rather than going all in on a few items, since damage items usually stack additively with themselves but multiplicatively with each other

[cyan niche]

If I beat the Voidling on monsoon will it count for the “beat the game on monsoon” skin

Or do I only kill mithrix

[floral ridge]

I would guess you can get the skins for beating the game by skipping mithrix and just killing voidling, as you Still get them iirc if you kill mithrix then beat voidling, but I can't be sure

[serene kayak]

any end screen that isn't death counts i think

[cyan niche]

Will I killed mithrix and wanted to tap the frog to go the Voidling, but I didn’t wanna mess up and not get the skin

[serene kayak]

real quick how many gestures does it take to make spinel infinite?

[cyan niche]

Okay so it DID count beating Voidling after mithrix when using huntress

[winter dust]

4
or 1 and 3 fuelcells
or 2 and 2
any combination of those items as long as 1 gesture is in there

could be 3 with only gestures not sure tho

[serene kayak]

it's not..

[winter dust]

then 4

[dusky raven]

After the 1st gesture, all others reduce equip cooldown by the same amount as Fuel Cells

[meager tapir]

what does that loud sound mean?

[crisp timber]

Sounds like a Scavenger spawning and insta dying

[lavish jacinth]

that is NOT a scavenger

it's like a crusty version of the smash homerun bat

[lavish jacinth]

something from a mod, probably

[meager tapir]

Do you know of an elite types that forces you to look at them

[lavish jacinth]

not in vanilla

#ror2-modding probably knows

[vale dew]

so can i complete captain:smushed on any final boss (like let's say false son)

[high sedge]

no

specifically mithrix

[abstract pike]

should I buy alloyed collective? i'm a relatively new player (started the game about 3-4 days ago) and i'm getting bored playing alone, and i want some new content (as in, new characters, enemies, items, etc)
I'm very very interested in drifter because it seems really really fun to play them

[simple coyote]

if you’re actively getting bored in 3 days you probably won’t get your money’s worth out of this game

but if your money’s worth very little to you, sure, dlc’s are great

[abstract pike]

I'm mostly bored because the game takes too long and I don't know what characters to use

[abstract pike]

alright

[abstract pike]

also the game imo is better experienced with friends, and i dont have too many that have this game

[simple coyote]

well that’s why you try them, learn them, learn the game and improve.
the roguelike standard.
it can be enjoyed solo and with friends, it doesn’t have to be one sided. but that’s up to how you play the game

[abstract pike]

that's fair, alright, thanks

ah another thing
my account has been linked to a dummy account on epic games (i use steam to run the game) and i don't know how to revert that
is that possible or am i just permanently stuck as HelpfulTower4028

[simple coyote]

that is not my area of expertise but maybe someone knowledgeable will pop in

[abstract pike]

alr

[simple coyote]

just like. try tech. I find it really fun, maybe it’s something to look into yourself, like m1 extension on merc for a starter, or mult powermode saw/nailgun, or going for all the unlocks or whathaveyou since you probably don’t even have it all at this point

[abstract pike]

yeah
i mean i found loader very very fun with the grappling hook ability

either way thanks for the help

[cobalt herald]

for bandits kill the final boss with lights out achivment does it have to be mythrix or can it be any of the dlc bosses

[hoary sedge]

any achievement that says "the final boss" means mithrix

[abstract pike]

mithrix, 4th phase

dlc wont work

[cobalt herald]

dang

thanks tho

[abstract pike]

yee

[jaunty furnace]

get survivors of the void first

atleast thats what i recommend doing

but if you really want ac just for drifter, its your money

[abstract pike]

ahh that's the fun part, my friend has it

but he doesn't have alloyed collective

he has all dlcs but that so i want the best of both worlds

[paper thistle]

accidentally killed the shopkeeper before the new final boss and now im back on stage 13 iron alluvium but i cant find an access node anywhere, am i just blind or could there not be one here for some reason?

[lavish jacinth]

Access nodes stop spawning if you've already used one. Only way to get back is to kill alloy worship unit or false son to spawn a portal

[paper thistle]

just ended my run but thank you good to know lol

[wintry fjord]

Does bandit actually benefit from attack speed

[glacial knoll]

everyone benefits from attack speed

[hardy badger]

Increasing attack speed on bandit Allows you to use an Auto Clicker

[dire wagon]

how can i tell whjen i should from rainstoprm from monsoon

because ive been playing but looping atr least once per run and getting to the point where mithrix is one shotable with some characters and i dont know if the difficulty will be to high

[hardy badger]

Just try and see for yourself
You already have numerous losses
Whats a few more on a higher difficulty?

[dire wagon]

aight

[vapid grail]

does luck affect chance doll?

[jaunty furnace]

looping removes any challenge

no matter the difficulty

[dire wagon]

is it best not to loop then

[jaunty furnace]

unless you sit and facetank bullets

[dire wagon]

fpr maximum enjoytment?

[jaunty furnace]

enjoyment is subjective

but if you want a more balanced (harder) experience then you can stop looping and/or jump to monsoon

monsoon isnt really a huge jump in difficulty anyway

[supple shore]

dumb question real quick. For bandit's achievement for killing the final boss with Lights Out

does it mean Mithrix, or does it mean the Voidling

[amber sentinel]

anyone know if and when alloyed collective will be on sale?

[lavish jacinth]

"final boss" always means mithrix

[lavish jacinth]

probably during the next steam sale in march

[hardy badger]

Does Hopoo always ask for less money when Steam has a Sale?

[lavish jacinth]

it's not hopoo anymore, but yeah, ror2 and its dlcs always go on sale

[hardy badger]

I do not acknowledge Gearbox as a existing Company

(gets booted from the Server)

[rustic goblet]

How do I improve survivability in the mid game?

Im getting back into the game (I only have dlc1 rn and plan to get the other two next steam sale) and I'm trying to get the monsoon clears for every survivor and it feels like enemies are hitting really hard by the third level, even when I'm looting fast

[frosty reef]

Are you looting everything the stages provide you?

If you're prioritizing time over all the loot then that's probably your problem

[lavish jacinth]

you should be full-clearing stages, if you aren't already. Rushing and skipping loot only hurts you in the long run

don't follow the five minute rule either

[rustic goblet]

I usually clear as best as I can

[lavish jacinth]

that's good

[rustic goblet]

And I start the teleporter when I stop seeing more chests after checking most of the stage

But even then I end up taking big hits, especially from the elites, and I don't know what I'm supposed to do

[lavish jacinth]

you do wanna make sure that you've checked everywhere, it's not worth it to leave stuff behind just so you can leave a minute or two faster

[lavish jacinth]

in that case the next thing would just be practicing dodging and target priority, you never wanna rely on trying to tank damage

most enemies have terrible aim and will miss you as long as you keep moving, ideally you circlestrafe around them

[rustic goblet]

Last level can also be rough

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, commencement is a reality check

use cover as much as you can and prioritize dealing with the flying chimeras first

[rustic goblet]

The only monsoon run I've won so far is commando with three dios and a worm

[lavish jacinth]

their machine gun will melt you in an instant, but it always fires for exactly 4 seconds and then has a pretty long cooldown (20s iirc), so you get a good window to attack them once they stop firing. Just watch out for their secondary

the trick with commencement is to clear out most of the initial wave of enemies before you start doing pillars, the spawnrate there is really low so if you can kill the world-spawned enemies then the rest gets a lot easier

or if you have enough mobility or an equipment like , you can just skip pillars and go straight up to the arena

[rustic goblet]

Wait, vase just skips the pillars?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

all the pillars do is activate a jump pad up to the arena

but if you have a way to get up there yourself, you can just skip them

[rustic goblet]

I know that pillar skips are possible I just didn't realize that one

[jaunty furnace]

not just vase

vase is just the simplest way to skip em

[rustic goblet]

I've seen the video with all the faraday skips

And one time I did a command run where I had the mobility skill red and skipped

I guess I will be taking vase in stage 5 if I see it

[lavish jacinth]

can also do it with a few fuel cells

[high sedge]

can always skip

[jaunty furnace]

if your build depends on an equipment then its probably not worth it

[pastel river]

was this a good run

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, pretty good
looping runs always end up being pretty broken, but you've got a lot of good items

[keen wedge]

So I just got killed by something called "The Planet"

What is that

It can't be time, I was around for 85 minutes and 50 seconds which is a very specific time to kill somebody

I'd like to clear 20 stages without lunar items as commando, but that might be difficult if I keep being smote by the earth itself

[hoary sedge]

"the planet" is just what the game uses whenever something that wasn't directly a monster's attack killed you

[keen wedge]

Wonderful

[hoary sedge]

so it could've been fall damage, a dot debuff, stuff like that

[sullen basin]

what boss drops functional coupler

[frosty pawn]

Solus Amalgamator

[knotty palm]

hey does Shadowfade not make you invulnerable anymore?
haven't used it in a while, I picked it up and during it I was hit by a Vagrant blast, and then later I died in it

[mellow crystal]

Sounds more like warped echo

[lavish jacinth]

shadowfade never made you invincible, it just removes your hitbox so you can't take any new damage. But you can still take damage from DoTs if they were applied before you used it

[marble magnet]

Hey how do you get the green portal to spawn in gilded coast? Just wondering

[mellow crystal]

Be on stages 1-3

Or rather enter gilded coast from stages 1-3

[marble magnet]

I see

[keen grotto]

Hey im new i have 8ish hours can someone tell me how to unlock the ship in stage 6 I did all the pillers and im playing bandit this has been my best run

[marble magnet]

Have you faced the boss yet

[keen grotto]

No there's no teleportwr

[marble magnet]

There's two beaming springs near the two nearest spots pillars are

[keen grotto]

And the objective board isn't helping

[marble magnet]

The cave and the little building with the lunar pods

[keen grotto]

Beaming springs?

[marble magnet]

Near those are beaming lights

[keen grotto]

Ok

I've done all the pillers

[lavish jacinth]

charging the pillars activates some jump pads up to the boss arena

[keen grotto]

Ok

Anything I should know for the boss

[mellow crystal]

He has zero anti-air and despite wielding a melee weapon he's actually better at hitting midrange targets

[lavish jacinth]

he also hits like a truck

[keen grotto]

I'm playing bandit so I just chill in the air with my long rang move?

[mellow crystal]

My strat for mithrix is literally just to bait out his first attack then run in a straight line towards him for the rest of the fight but I wouldn't recommend that for learning

[marble magnet]

In the third phase there'll be a pizza attack

It hits really hard but it's easy to dodge if you move slower from what I've played

[lavish jacinth]

I have some tips for the fight in the pins, but it's also got some mild spoilers for the fight

[mellow crystal]

It also gets slower if you're closer to him

[keen grotto]

Oh ok

[marble magnet]

Yea

Wait like uh, physically moves slower or looks like it does lmao I've never been able to tell

[keen grotto]

I wanna kill him with the long rang move so I can unlock desprarado

[mellow crystal]

It isn't coded to move slower but it's rotation so farther from center = faster

[marble magnet]

You have to do that in 4th phase

I hope you don't have drones and stuff that'll deal the final blow

Or any over time stuff

[marble magnet]

Ohh ok

[keen grotto]

Oh wait I do

[marble magnet]

Not saying you can't do it with those it'll just be harder

[keen grotto]

I have 2 probes a missle and gunner with 2 healers

[mellow crystal]

Also for the sake of clarity, 3rd and 4th phase are the 2nd and 3rd healthbars of the big guy specifically
You'll see what I mean when you get to phase 2

I'm clarifying since I know there are people who understand phase 3 as phase 2 because it's his second healthbar

[keen grotto]

Ok thanks wish me luck ill update soon

[marble magnet]

I think you'll be fine getting desperado

Gl :)

[keen grotto]

Also should I go for the bleed attack

[lavish jacinth]

hemorrhage? or just regular bleed

bleed is strong if you can stack it quickly and consistently, hemorrhage is an alright source of extra damage but it's not as good as just unloading your primary and special into an enemy's back

[keen grotto]

So um guys

Who was gonna tell me bout how the moon man yoinks my whole inventory

[lavish jacinth]

yeah he does that

[keen grotto]

So um i guess no desprado for me

[lavish jacinth]

it's not as bad as it seems, he gives your items back as you damage him

[keen grotto]

I didnt realize that so I panicked and died when they all disappeared

He throw some balls at me and I died

[lavish jacinth]

rip

[marble magnet]

How does seed of life work with coupler?

[lavish jacinth]

it only activates if it's in your main slot

[keen grotto]

Ya know that would have been nice to know in advanced guys 🥲

[marble magnet]

So it's not that good I take it or

I should probably take it anyway

[lavish jacinth]

getting caught off guard by the item steal is part of the experience, it happens to everyone

[marble magnet]

Or I could get rid of my blast shower take gun and kill bird .. or the solus unit before bird for proves which I do have spare drone parts

[lavish jacinth]

you can hang onto it and switch to it if you think you're about to die

[marble magnet]

Nah I'll take coupler

[keen grotto]

I was camping on a ramp stacking hemrage then jumping back up to the ramp

I stacked like 8 hemrages

[lavish jacinth]

with phase 4 you either wanna hide behind a pillar and poke him until you get most of your items back, or stay close to him and hug his back so he can't turn to face you

hiding is the safer strat, but hugging him works if you're impatient or don't have any good ranged options

[marble magnet]

What I do is that I just go around in circles while shooting

[keen grotto]

Cuz i panicked

[marble magnet]

His ranged attacks basically never hurt you in my experience

[keen grotto]

Idk i just watched in horror as my five armor piercing rounds disappeared

Then he threw a ball at me and I died

I think hunter might be my favorite I have huntress commando mul t and artificer

Are there any easy survivors to unlock

[lavish jacinth]

engineer and loader are both fairly easy to get

but aside from rex and the dlc survivors, most of them are unlocked with stuff you'll end up doing anyway if you just play enough

[keen grotto]

Ok nice

I had a fun run with artificer were invited had five double jumps

[jaunty furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1377081118725243033/1427081256897871922/JustHoldA.gif

[keen grotto]

YOO I JUST FOUND OUT IF I USE MUL T I CAN USE 2 REBARS WITH LESS COOL DOWN

Kinda hard tho on controller

[keen grotto]

Hey what do I use a rusty key on?

[jaunty furnace]

next stage will have a rusty lockbox

you can open it with the key

[rough socket]

Lockboxes that can be randomly found throughout the stage after aquiring said key

[jaunty furnace]

throughout the next stage*

you dont have to immediately open it though

as long as you have a key in your inventory when you go to the next stage, a lockbox will spawn

[rough socket]

You could hold onto it in hopes of finding an encrusted key too.

Which is the same thing, but for void items.

I have a question, although I probably know the answer.

Do you have to get the Heretic items to play her every time, or is there some way to permanently unlock her? If not, I'm sure there's a mod that does it for you.

[keen grotto]

Is heratic another survive?

[jaunty furnace]

secret one

cannot be unlocked

[rough socket]

Technically yes.

[jaunty furnace]

can only become it by collecting all heresy items

[rough socket]

Cool fucking bird lady

[keen grotto]

Whats the best item in the game?

[rough socket]

Bungus for sure /j

[keen grotto]

What does that do?

[rough socket]

Subjective I'd say

[rough socket]

Bungus (Bustling Fungus) heals you when standing still, I was joking.

[keen grotto]

Oh ok

[jaunty furnace]

all items have moments they shine in

well, most

[keen grotto]

Is blast or burst better for bandit

[jaunty furnace]

its preference

blast has more consistent range, burst has more close range damage

[mellow crystal]

blast also generally has better procs (aside from needletick) but burst has a better proc rate

[keen grotto]

Um hey guys I had 6 armor rounds for the boss but I just looked at my items and there gone and now I have 11 crow bars

[hardy badger]

Only Have Crowbars, Or Have Crowbars Instead of Armour Rounds?

[spark spear]

any huntress build? i haven't unlocked everything yet

[hoary sedge]

did you hit a shrine of order

[jaunty furnace]

you hit a shrine of order

Goodbye build

[hoary sedge]

also yeah burst does better with base damage procs (like needletick and boomerang) while blast does better with total damage procs

bleed is kind of an odd exception bc the duration scales with proc coeff so if you don't have 100% bleed chance, blast will actually be easier to sustain bleed stacks with bc bleed from burst expires VERY quickly

[keen wedge]

So do stages after looping once have fewer chests and more printers

[high sedge]

off the top of my head, no - interactable weights aren't changed based on the stage number
some of the post loop variants might have slightly different numbers, but it's not enough for you to be able to notice

[keen wedge]

Ok good
Also, commando's achievement for his m2 alt (land the killing blow on an overloading worm) seems oddly specific. I did it anyway, but I wanted to know if it was a reference to anything, possibly from the original game?

[civic lion]

someone to play and help me with the game

[high sedge]

go check out the LFG channels to file people to play with

[reef walrus]

anybody know if when col droneman gives engi turrets the minigun if then they get a benefit from eclipse lite cuz it would be a new ability?

[high sedge]

i don't think it's an ability

i think it's an item they get

in which case it wouldn't

[reef walrus]

well yeah but it gives them a minigun instead of their own droneman cuz they're mechanical

[high sedge]

no, spare drone parts gives mechanical allies a hidden item with the effects

because hopoo couldn't be bothered to make a more sensible implementation

[simple coyote]

it’s not an ability, no

it’s automatic

[reef walrus]

well that fucking blows, thought i found a way to use E lite on the turrets without using lunar primary

cuz that shit is broken as hell

i'd wager the new bomb drone is programmed the same way

[simple coyote]

bombardment drone?

[reef walrus]

nonono the uhhh green item

[glacial knoll]

this is the only sensible way to do it bruh

[simple coyote]

oh right yeah no reason they’d be different

[keen wedge]

I'm going for incorrigible

And I'm scared of the bazarr

I should be able to go there and just exchange for normal red or green items, right

[kind estuary]

Will fuel cells let me use trophy hunter thing more or just spam ahoy?

[frosty pawn]

Yeah, fuel cells won't give you additional uses of tricorn.

[rough socket]

Spam ahoy

[jaunty furnace]

no reason to be scared

just ignore the lunar items lol

[worldly olive]

I think burst is still better for bleed but its more even compared to other base damage procs

[hoary sedge]

it is once you get a decent bleed chance yeah

[lean oak]

i just got to the moon for the first time, did great against mithrix, then all these flying enemies spawned and gunned me down despite me being sprinting mid air
is it just a skill issue?

[lavish jacinth]

maybe a little
wisp chimeras have a hitscan attack that tracks you pretty well, you usually need to use cover against them

and/or have drones taking their aggro

[lean oak]

i had a drone but it got too close to mithrix and he slammed it instantly blowing it up 😭 but yeah i think i was just panicing due to everything being new so i didnt even think to.. hide

[lavish jacinth]

yea, normally you'd learn how to deal with chimeras while doing pillars, but if you pillar skipped then you wouldn't have to deal with them

[keen wedge]

So what is the deal with the incorruptible achievements

How much of a difference is there between doing 20 stages and doing 20 stages specifically WITHOUT lunar items

[lavish jacinth]

not that much, unless you normally rely on lunars to win

[fresh copper]

what flavor text does the umbra of heretic have

[heavy gorge]

Unorthodoxy Risen

[cerulean radish]

I'm at round 150 on the simulacrum; why isn't anything spawning?

Since about wave 45 stuff hasn't been showing up

[hoary sedge]

well usually that happens when the director has too many credits so everything in the spawn pool is considered too cheap to be a valid spawn but wave 45 is REALLY early for that to happen so you might just be bugged

it usually takes several hours in a run before that starts happening

[cerulean radish]

145, mb

It seemed to sort itself out

[hoary vapor]

How many stacks of Shrimp do I need to proc bands?

[high sedge]

It's 40% of the total damage of the move that triggered it per shrimp
For commando's double tap, 100%, you need 10 shrimps for them to start being the 400% needed to proc bands

[winter dust]

in commando's case you'd be better off with one shuriken tho in my opinion

If its only about proc-ing the band

[hoary vapor]

I was on Mult-T double chaingun. Lost because I wasn't doing boss specific damage. IDK how to play Mul-T

[lavish jacinth]

You can proc bands with transport mode or use an equipment like capacitor, but mul-t with nailguns and plasma shrimp should be doing decent dps already

Mul-t is very proc-focused though, bands are always good but not super high priority on him

[tulip venture]

pray for

and

[daring summit]

In multiplayer do I receive more damage? I usually play eclipse and every time I play eclipse with friends it's genuinely horrible, as if every enemy gets buffed (which it was expected but it's significantly much harder), how does enemy scaling work when more players are in a match?

[livid wedge]

Difficulty scales faster

[marble magnet]

Yo so like does freeze extend pizza because I got faked out and died by surprise when it went on for longer

[jaunty furnace]

when you freeze him you cancel pizza

but he can just start a new one

especially on e7

[marble magnet]

So that's what happened

Sigh

[amber sentinel]

is there any way of resetting the steam achievements without losing my ingame ones? cus i had one slot that i had basically most achievements on, on which i played with a friend so i had all logbook on, but my other slot was a cheated one that i didnt remember, and when i went into it, it claimed all the achievements on steam

[mystic hemlock]

HUD 100% is too small for me, but if i do 125% or 150%, i cant see money and some of the text. How do i fix this?

[blissful anvil]

im a new player so i dont know all the item synergies, but can someone explain like im 5 why the transcendance lunar item is so good?

[high sedge]

it's free 50% more HP
fall damage is calculated off of your max health, which with transcendence is 1 and thus you take at most 2 fall damage
you fully restore ALL your shield in 2 seconds for no requirement other than not being hit for 7 seconds, which is a relatively easy condition to fulfil, especially with strong items like safer spaces

[lavish jacinth]

Healing items also become free scrap

Plus full uptime on plasma shrimp and kinetic dampener

[sleek dock]

do the access nodes stop spawning after a certain stage?

[lavish jacinth]

They stop spawning if you've already killed solus wing

[sleek dock]

ah shit

[lavish jacinth]

Only way to get back to computational exchange is to kill AWU or false son

They both spawn a guaranteed portal

[sleek dock]

I was trying to get drifted. I unencrypted the cerebellum. But my AtG's started attacking the guy I had to give it to

so i got kicked. now im trying to find it again

[sleek dock]

how do i get there after killing them?

[lavish jacinth]

^

[sleek dock]

oh sorry

alright

[lavish jacinth]

jsyk, the false son portal doesn't spawn right away, you have to wait like 15 seconds for some reason

[sleek dock]

well my game crashed before that

unlucky

[lament light]

i accidentally hit him using my charge fist for checking the top of the map. is this run fucked now

[high sedge]

if you loop and kill false son or alloy worship unit you can get a portal to come back to the exchange

[lament light]

thats so dumb im just closing the game

[peak sinew]

Hey guys I'm new to Ror2, I wanted to unluck Rex and I'm on stage 4 but I'm not on the red planet you're suppoes to be on but I'm on a blue mushroom planet? Can anyone help please? (yes I grabbed the fuel thing out of my pod)

[high sedge]

can just happen

game pulls from a pool of valid stages

and there's 3 valid stages for stage 4, not just abyssal

[peak sinew]

sundered grove it's called

[lavish jacinth]

If you use a Newt altar on stage 3 and go to the bazaar, you can use the seers at the back of the shop to pick the next stage. It's not guaranteed that abyssal depths will be one of the options but it helps a lot with the rng

It will cost 3 lunar coins though, plus one for the newt altar

[peak sinew]

Wow... totally forgot the Newt altar, I tought it was 100% the red planet when I picked up the fuel. Thanks a lot!

[kind estuary]

How many portals could you theoretically get to spawn at once?

[lavish jacinth]

On a post-loop stage 3 you could theoretically get blue, celestial, gold, void, green and encrypted

assuming the stupid "2 dlcs per stage" rule doesn't affect random void portals

[fast gale]

Will there every be any alloyed collective skins for other dlc characters like the false son skins for survivors of the void?

[high forum]

nope

[sullen basin]

is vrit good on railgunner, considering normal lenses don't really provide that much value

[mellow crystal]

They usually don't do much unless you mix m1s into your gameplay but they are more impactful that crit lenses I would say

[lavish jacinth]

better to just scrap lenses imo

[mellow crystal]

This is also true

[vapid grail]

Theres a limit of 20 drones, right? What happens if you buy more drones when youre at the cap?

[lavish jacinth]

drones don't actually have a cap afaik

there's an ally limit of 20 but it only really applies to minions spawned from items, drones do count towards the cap but don't actually get limited by it

if you're at the cap, passive minions just won't spawn

[vapid grail]

thanks, does passive minions include happiest mask and alpha constructs?

[trim lynx]

yea

[nocturne forum]

i just unlocked 57 leaf clover, how does it work?

[lavish jacinth]

all chance-based effects (except ) get rolled one extra time in your favor per stack

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/57_Leaf_Clover

[simple coyote]

what’s that tech with ascent protocol and the special where you chain it super easy

someone showed me a clip but I can’t find it now for the life of me

[mellow crystal]

#ror2-discussion message this?

If so then you just dronehop in a direction then toss special toward where you're about to land

Ideally you time it so that it explodes right as or right before you reach it but even if you don't it still works, just won't get as much height

[hoary vapor]

Its a bit inefficient but taking Hoots even with 10 Lens is fine because of the Crit damage bonus on them, right?

[mellow crystal]

It works but it's an effective +5% damage up per stack so really you're better off with any other damage item

You'd need 4 hoots to equate to a single watch or ap rounds or focus crystal and such

[white parcel]

Are pearls a better buff to have over spinel?

[lavish jacinth]

if you have permanent uptime then no, not even close

[white parcel]

I mean like without gestured and fuel just plain buff for the entire run

[lavish jacinth]

even without perma uptime, tonic's buff is huge, just risky to use

[white parcel]

Good to know because I've been on the fence of being an alcoholic and a off brand seeker

[simple coyote]

ah okay I was doing it right i just forgot about the vertical bump (I was using amp core)

thank you though I’ll store this in me brain

for reals this time

[strong siren]

Does anyone know if the environmental logs for the post loop variants and some of the newer stages are bugged? I have been trying to get them for a long time with sacrifice and command on with no luck. The only ones I could get to spawn are the SOTS ones and that's it

[frosty pawn]

All of them are obtainable, just probably more rare to find than the base game stages, EXCEPT for Disturbed Impact (night-time variant of Shattered Abodes). I don't know if they have patched it or ever will patch it but there's a bug in the game that makes getting the environment log for Disturbed Impact literally impossible to get if you already have the Titanic Plains environment log because they both have the same interactables pool.

I know that you can get it if you're playing with a host who doesn't currently have the Titanic Plains log, but I've been more of a solo player, so that's kind of on me.

[strong siren]

Thx for the answer, I'll keep lookin then

[primal vector]

patch 1.3.9 fixed the disturbed impact problem

[jaunty furnace]

certain special stages have logs in set locations, for example the solutional haunt and solus wing logs are hidden in consistent spots on the stage

[strong siren]

Yeah, I got those already

[coarse sinew]

Is kjaro's damage multiplier every tick or is the theoretical damage if all ticks land on an attack

[high sedge]

i'm pretty sure it's 30% total damage per stack per tick for 10 ticks

which is why it's generally less consistent than runald's band

[kind estuary]

If I get the visions of heresy as mul-t can I still retool to use my other primary?

[frozen cliff]

Honestly I’m not sure

[primal vector]

Also, visions of heresy work very well with eclipse lite as it gives you barrier for each independent charge

[kind estuary]

Bummer, would have been a cool synergy

[frozen cliff]

I mean it’s still 2 equipment

[plucky kindle]

Does anyone know when dlc3 come to switch?

[primal vector]

The last thing we knew was Q1 2026, we got this today #ror2-console-discussion message

[chrome mist]

i missed the chance to do the alloyed stages through stage 3, whats the fasteset way to get to it now

[lavish jacinth]

if you get siren's call or repurposed crater stage 4, then you can get another portal. Otherwise you'll have to loop

[heavy gorge]

Does quick fix affect drifter's green scrap regen?

[livid wedge]

Yes

[glad blaze]

what dlc should be bought first

since yknow there are 3

[lavish jacinth]

SotV

all of them are worth getting, but SotV is the best one to start with

[glad blaze]

alright i shall take your word

[jaunty furnace]

sotv

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GyhpWkBW8AAP99u.gif

[trim lynx]

sotv

[warm condor]

I’m playing a run and I have empathy cores and they have randomly just disappeared like they’re not spawning in

Anybody else having the same problem?

[trim lynx]

you probably reached ally cap

annoyingly

if you have 20 allies at least

[warm condor]

Thanks, I just thought I was going schizophrenic😭

[warm condor]

I have under 20 allies and it’s still not spawning😭

[trim lynx]

i misremembered its 16 mb

[warm condor]

Okay, I’ll see if it works

Yeah, it works thanks

[glacial knoll]

it's 20, it just includes players

[trim lynx]

ohhh

gotcha, thanks!

[chrome mist]

can temporary items be used in printers?

[high sedge]

Nope

[jaunty furnace]

what

everyone says 20

is it not 20??

[primal vector]

Just read 3 messages below that

[trim lynx]

im kinda silly

[obsidian mountain]

Is e8 all alternate ability rex possible? what items would i need to make the abilities do less than 2.5% dmg so i dont take perma damage

[high sedge]

i mean it's already possible
you just need to have restraint since you can't spam those skills

if you want items then tougher times is the most consistent way to get more uses out of them

items that raise armour like kinetic dampener will reduce the damage taken from his skills other than tangling growth

[jaunty furnace]

swear to god those messages did Not exist when i sent that

[jaunty furnace]

https://youtu.be/n5KkSR8qtqs

[vapid grail]

does this include chance doll?

[vapid grail]

you can also go to the blue portal to fight false son and have the portal open after the fight, which works even between stage 5 and 6

[vapid grail]

someone needs to update spare drone parts page

[full apex]

Yea the limit is player team so you, teammates, and any summons count. So engi turrets also eat slots

[pallid mirage]

How easy is the solus wing fight if I go by stage 3

I always go late game so I never really even feel the effects of the food

[lavish jacinth]

A little tough depending on your items, but very doable

More fun than doing it while looping though imo

[pallid mirage]

Shi say less, I'll try not to die instantly

[jaunty furnace]

its the hardest actual boss imo

and by actual i mean it isnt filled with poorly designed bullshit like false son

[pallid mirage]

I have to agree with that

[ancient violet]

Man is it even possible anymore to get void fields logbook without dying

[lavish jacinth]

if you're fast enough and have a way to heal

[tough grove]

whats the best dlc to get first

[lavish jacinth]

SotV

[tough grove]

ok thanks

[peak flume]

Is there an ally/drone limit? I keep having my bg's or empathy cores not spawn and i can only assume its bcs of an ally limit

[peak flume]

Just saw this, nvm!

[lavish jacinth]

drones actually don't have a cap afaik, but they do fill up ally slots and can prevent passive minions from spawning

[peak flume]

Alrightt thanks !

[thorny plaza]

Without making it too obvious can someone give me a clue on how to get artifacts

I've gotten the rebirth one

Passed the game with friends and didn't figure anything out

[dusky raven]

There’s another way to leave stage 5 that you’ll need to find

[signal path]

How to deal with mithrix phase 4 in eclipse when you have spare drone parts (+ empathy cores but ive seen even just droneman gets me killed)? Do you just not pick those items up?

[worldly olive]

So uh: Funny facts.
Mithrix doesn't inherrit Spare Drone Parts

He might on console though

[signal path]

He doesn't?

So you're telling me he wont get col.droneman?

What about empathy cores then because in the last 2 days ive lost like 3 extremely good runs to just insta dying in phase 4 when I had empathy cores

[worldly olive]

Its apart of the AI Blacklist so he shouldn't at least

[worldly olive]

Just don't get close to them
If you're a ranged character they should be fine as long as you pay attention to them (That being said they're still pretty damn scary)

Melee is a bit trickier but its still not unwinnable

[signal path]

Man

Alright thanks

[timid matrix]

That was an old patch btw
Some update blacklisted drone parts since people were literally just not picking it up

Which is why you might stumble across footage online

[signal path]

Makes sense i guess
The empathy cores thing is still so annoying tho man

They follow you at the start of phase 4 before mithrix spawns

Then when he starts taking ur items they become hostile like

Why are you in my face if you're planning to slime me in the next 5 seconds bro

[timid matrix]

Your empathy cores are still yours

Mithrix just gets a seperate set

Yours won't respawn though till you get it back

[signal path]

Ahhh

That makes more sense

[lavish jacinth]

yours also lose the damage bonus from having allies, since that comes from the item

[signal path]

Smh i think i got so scarred from the last 3 runs I'll just stop picking cores up honestly

[signal path]

Didn't tryagain just say you lose your own cores-?

[lavish jacinth]

in my experience they're not usually a problem though, I typically have enough drones that they take the enemy cores aggro and I don't have to deal with them at all

no they didn't

[timid matrix]

No?

[timid matrix]

^

[signal path]

Yeah that was happening with me in multiplayer

But when i played singleplayer i got a total of like 7 drones in all my stages

[signal path]

Didnt ya say yours dont respawn until you get the item back

[lavish jacinth]

they don't respawn if they die

[signal path]

Oh you meant like if they die in phase 4 then they wont respawn?

[timid matrix]

Yes

[signal path]

Ah okay mb

[timid matrix]

But also if you do pick up cores just play it safe at range
Usually they don't come for you since they have a range
But if they do you can just sorta bait them into you and kill them
Their lasers aren't the most damaging or fast

[lavish jacinth]

^

I also usually prefer the safe strat for phase 4 and specifically try to bait my drones to hang around mithrix

which is pretty easy now that drones copy your target

[signal path]

Will keep that in mind nezt time

[timid matrix]

All melee survivors usually have some sort of ranged skill and p4 doesn't have too much health
Only exception is base special merc but he has plenty of iframes

[signal path]

I had like 2 runs where my drones completely refused to attack mithrix in phase 4 and i had a short range survivor and died

[signal path]

So they always attack what you're attacking?

[signal path]

Fair

[lavish jacinth]

or thunderslam loader with default grapple

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[timid matrix]

Oh true
That one
I dunno what do with

Probably just get a big punch in, and hope you get good items back

[signal path]

So you just hit mithrix a few times at the start and then run away?

[lavish jacinth]

that or have a ranged equipment

[timid matrix]

Oh yeah equipment trivializes

[lavish jacinth]

pretty much, I also try to hang around him until the end of the item steal so that my minions stay near him instead of following me

old clip but the strat still works
(also buying as many things as I can at the start to spawn squid turrets)

[signal path]

Yeah okay that makes sense

Oh one more thing what did you guys do for your eclipse climb for the survivors you're not a fan of

Like me personally i don't like playing with half the roaster

[lavish jacinth]

suffer

[signal path]

That's all there really is to it huh 😭

Pain

[lavish jacinth]

or in my case just don't do it at all, I was never really a big fan of eclipse lol

[signal path]

Don't you got like 2k hours in the game or smth?

[lavish jacinth]

a little over 1k

I tried the eclipse climb at one point, but when sotv came out there was a bug that wiped all my eclipse progress, and I never bothered to do it again

[signal path]

What you been doing then i thought suffering through eclipse is the way people spend most of their time so they don't get bored

[signal path]

Bruhhh

Dont even blame you that's annoying

[lavish jacinth]

tbh I don't play the game as often as I used to, I just do a run every now and then when I'm in the mood for it

I think almost half my hours were during quarantine when I had nothing better to do, and the rest just accumulated over time

[signal path]

Makes sense

[signal path]

Random question what's the worst you've ever raged at the game

Cus I need reassurance i genuinely start tweaking out when like 1.5 hrs go down the drain in 1 second

[lavish jacinth]

I actually don't think I ever have, or if I did it was so long ago that I can't even remember

I play roguelikes a lot, I'm pretty numb to bullshit deaths at this point lol

my mindset is that as soon as I start a run, the next hour of my life is gonna be wasted one way or another, so I just try to have fun with it. At worst I just get mildly annoyed if I die to a really stupid mistake or something

[signal path]

Yeah okay that definitely tells me you've played way too much rogue like stuff 😭

[lavish jacinth]

1k hours in ror2, around 750 in Isaac, and a few hundred more across other games

[signal path]

I despise roguelikes this is the only one I play along with sifu
I dunno why I'm so attracted to this one in particular

[signal path]

750 in Isaac 😭

I played that with my friend i just found the combat so boring

But everyones into diff stuff so thass just me ig

You should try sifu tho it's really really good

[lavish jacinth]

never even heard of it

[signal path]

The combat is genuinely like chefs kiss man

[signal path]

Seriously?

It's fairly popular search it up

[lavish jacinth]

yeah I won't lie, Isaac's combat is super basic
The appeal of it is mostly in the insane amount of build variety you can get and all the dumb strats you can pull off

[signal path]

Yeah that makes sense

[primal vector]

The combat being simple is precisely what enables its rogue likeliness to shine

[remote current]

mi tripin or shattered aboudes rare rn

[lethal flicker]

For Operator, can you switch drones, to pick which skill to use for Admin Override?

[lavish jacinth]

using other skills will use the drone that's currently queued up, but there's no way to manually switch to a specific one

[thorny plaza]

should I turn off expansions for this

[lavish jacinth]

no, either stage 5 map will work

[lethal flicker]

Ok so it’s like a use it when u need it thing, or just spam it til they’re gone thing

[lavish jacinth]

mostly you just spam, there's no real need to try to micromanage drones

[lyric silo]

have you ever played modded subnautica?

theres a mod called deathrun and the intended experience is roguelike

ive spent 15hrs on runs

[lyric silo]

(single runs alone)

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[lyric silo]

its absolute hell sometimes

[lavish jacinth]

I'm not really into super long roguelikes though, it's one thing to lost an hour-long run, but putting 10-20 hours into something and then having to start over is a very different story

[lyric silo]

oh it completely is

i just love subnautica and know it very well, and for some reason i always come back to do another run

my last death was cause i was watching a video and forgot to get air

not kidding, lost 4hrs to that

but yeah ive played alotta roguelikes, mostly spread out playtime wise

[cobalt herald]

does seed of life still work when its in a equitment drone

[mellow crystal]

yes but because of how equipment drone AI works it won't be very consistent

equipment drones will always try to activate their equip by shooting enemies with it

so if there are no enemies around it won't revive you

[cobalt herald]

dam, thats annoying, thanks though

[hoary sedge]

also if the drone dies before you do it'll use up the seed

[tall pond]

at what point does stacking weeping fungus stop giving returns? is there a point?

[lavish jacinth]

at 100 stacks it'll heal 100% of your hp every tick, but realistically you only need a couple of them to have good healing

[tall pond]

ok say im playing seeker and trying to out heal sojourn using weeping fungus, rejuvenation rack, and aegus shield how many would i need?

[lavish jacinth]

you can't outheal sojourn, it reduces healing by 10% every second you're in it

but you can get an extremely long sojourn by just taking since it reduces the self-damage to 1

[tall pond]

OH MY GODD

I WAS TRYING TO GET THE 500K% THINGY

youve changed my whole perspective

thank you kind sir.

[lavish jacinth]

oh yea, the trick with that is to hit as many enemies as possible

it adds up the total amount dealt to every enemy, not just a single hit. Then just throw in some crowbars and other multipliers

[tall pond]

you sir are a masterpiece of a human being

do the weeping fungus heal shield?

[lavish jacinth]

no

[tall pond]

ok

[heavy gorge]

Shields don’t benefit from healing items. As far as I know, the recharge delay timer is always the same.

[hollow falcon]

hey I was tryna use debugtoolkit and saw that there was an option for going to the title screen as a stage, but it needs to be "offline only" even when I'm in singleplayer, what do I do to be able to set it to offline only?

[daring summit]

can environment logs appear in eclipse?

[novel tulip]

Hi, anyone got any tips for artificer??

I'm trying to get better at playing her (and also unlock her other primary, secondary and special)

[jaunty furnace]

unlock the alternate special

easy unlock too

[novel tulip]

I saw her alternates, the only mid one seemed the alt primary, definetly gunning for the secondary tho

[high sedge]

Something good to do is abuse her ability to hover as a means to dodge more attacks
Since you can stop and start multiple times in a single fall, you have a way to control how quickly you move on 3 axes, not just 2 like most of the roster
If you start looking out for rocks and stuff to jump off of it really helps

[novel tulip]

Thanks

[high sedge]

It is also the only way flamethrower is usable in my eyes since the movement penalty means you're gonna eat tons of hits otherwise

[novel tulip]

Ok

[cobalt herald]

when mythrix takes your items if your engi does he also take the turrets items?

[fiery tree]

Yes

[cobalt herald]

dam

[fiery tree]

Same with any other ally that inherits your items, i.e Best Buddy

[cobalt herald]

i guess ill just loop till i am powerfull enought to phase skip him

[jaunty furnace]

...or just kill him normally?

that phase is not impossible lol

[cobalt herald]

yeah i just have a lot of items that could be scary if he gets them

[jaunty furnace]

minion items and on kill items can be scary sure

but you have a bunch of time at the start to dish out as much damage as possible to just take a lot of your items back

[hoary sedge]

you can also avoid the needles by just sprinting in a circle around him, not matter how much attack speed he gets

the tracking isn't strong enough to make up for mithrix's shitty aim

[cobalt herald]

wait does he take safer spaces because if so it may be over

[hoary sedge]

he takes the item but he can't actually use it

[cobalt herald]

ok cool

hes now dead in under a minute

uuuh i beat the game got credits but i didnt get the skin for engi

[hoary sedge]

were you on monsoon difficulty

[cobalt herald]

no, i thought if you were on monsoon you had to oblitarte

[hoary sedge]

no you can do any ending on monsoon

[cobalt herald]

the achivment just says beat the game or oblitrate on monsoon

[hoary sedge]

and you only get the mastery skin if youre on it

[cobalt herald]

oh dam

[hoary sedge]

"beat the game" is just any ending that isn't dying

[cobalt herald]

ok that makes more sense thanks

ill just do another run

[hoary sedge]

it's (beat the game or obliterate) on monsoon, not (beat the game) or (obliterate on monsoon)

[cobalt herald]

ok that makes more sense i was just misinterpreting it

[azure current]

is there any mod that i can play multiplayer without getting kicked ?

[novel tulip]

I just noticed that some survivors have different requirments for the skin given by alloyed collective:
Commando, Huntress, Mul-T, Engineer, Mercenary and Acrid need to reject the offering the collective
While as Bandit, Artificer, Rex, Loader and Captain need to accept the offering
Anyone know why??

[mellow crystal]

lore reasons presumably

some easier to pinpoint than others

[novel tulip]

Examples??

[high forum]

artificer's curiosity about the universe is probably one good reason why she'd accept. acrid refuses to be a prisoner again, so it makes sense that it would reject the offering

but it's really just whatever you want your headcanon reason to be

[mellow crystal]

mando's thing is essentially "good soldiers follow orders" and he also probably has like a family to feed
acrid wants to be left the fuck alone he was already captured by the void
captain's obliteration line is "and so he vanished, free from a life of paperwork" so he's probably just done with shit
etc etc

[high forum]

and it's just split (mostly) evenly cuz there's two options and they want people to do both

[novel tulip]

Ok, I can see that

I wonder if the other survivors would accept or deny the offer

[mellow crystal]

engi, assuming his logbook describes him or someone he looks up to/follows, is actively like
anti-cyborg in a sense due to how it messes with the perception of what humanity is so he'd very much reject the idea of digital assimilation

[novel tulip]

Since all the survivors from the DLCs only have the "Beat the game on monsoon" skin (except for Railgunner and Void Fiend, who also have the "Clear Prime Meridian" one)

[high forum]

void fiend: accept cuz fuck it
rg: reject but idk why
seeker: accept cuz fuck it
chef: reject cuz he's got a catering job on the weekend
fs: unsure

[mellow crystal]

rg feels like a survivor that could go either way since she has such vague lore tbh

she'd be the filler survivor to even it out

[high forum]

yeah, agree!

[novel tulip]

Yeah

[mellow crystal]

false son i think would be a reject because his whole thing is sort of "carving his own path"

[novel tulip]

Operator and Drifter would definetly reject

[novel tulip]

Yeah

[novel tulip]

I feel like Seeker would reject the offering. She strikes me as a kind person, personality and ideals more akin with the stereotypical paladin, so she would reject (IMO) since it's kind of a type of slavery which is, like turbo-illegal and also morally wrong

Keep in mind that I don't know her lore

[jaunty furnace]

operator?

guh

[novel tulip]

I forget the other survivors name from Alloyed Collective

[jaunty furnace]

why would he reject

[novel tulip]

Dunno, being assimilated into a virtual conscience wouldn't really be his cup of tea since he loves drones

[jaunty furnace]

loves drones
rejects the offer to become one with the drones

[novel tulip]

But honestly my guess is as good as drones

[novel tulip]

Yeah

[jaunty furnace]

[novel tulip]

Precisely because he loves drones, you would become one with the drones but they would control you, not the other way around

[glacial knoll]

vfiend would not go to prison again

[sharp sundial]

wasn’t operator the one spex reached out to in the first place? I think he’d understand the greater picture more than anyone else in the cast

like seeker w aurelionite and purifying fs

also feel like railgunner is similar enough to bandit that she’d just accept for the material gain

[cerulean lance]

I randomly revived while fighting false son. I had a skill issue and died BUT i revived even though i had no dios OR shrines of soul. i realy dont know what happed. i was playing seeker if the helps

[mellow crystal]

seeker gets a self-revive at 7 tranquility

[cerulean lance]

Goated seeker

[high sedge]

every player in the lobby gets this self revive btw

[river ledge]

can you fight s-wing and s-heart more than once in one run?

cause im on a god run and want to go back to the computational exchange

get my sautéd worms

[high sedge]

you can't do swing more than once, and since you can't make another cerebellum you can't do shart again
you can still go to the exchange by killing AWU on sirens

[river ledge]

ah i see so just go sirens for stage 4 if i find a lunar aight thanks

[lavish jacinth]

killing false son will also spawn a portal

[river ledge]

dont have sots 😔

still on the same run btw ive gotten 2 artifacts so far

[rough socket]

For False son, if you have backup mags do they contribute to your passive (the one with the movement speed or attack speed)?

[high sedge]

yes, since the stats gained care about how many you have or are missing
backup mags don't count for the gain 40 through growth achievement

[heavy gorge]

They contribute to your passive but do NOT contribute to the buffs your abilities get when your growth increases.

Even so, backup mags are excellent on him. This is especially true if you’re using stakes.

[north sinew]

do access nodes stop spawning once you refuse the offering of the ||solus heart||? i didnt know what i was doing and just left and now i cant find an access node after two loops

[river ledge]

Yo, trying to get all the aspects in one run but i dont want them to be literally as rare as the infinity stones, but this mod doesn't say what it changes the chance to

Does anyone know whats the chance

Ik it says 100% on the pic but no way its 100%, i hope it isnt

[frosty pawn]

The usual drop rate for any elite aspect is 1/4000 or a 0.025% chance, I think.

[high sedge]

you can probably mess with the config files to choose it

[river ledge]

Ik but like the mod changes it

[river ledge]

Ill take a look

Into files i go

where exactly are the mod files

[high sedge]

if you install the mod and run the game r2modman will just give you easy access to the config files with the config editor menu

[river ledge]

uhhhh i use thunderstore so idk

[high sedge]

r2modman is a skin of thunderstore that gives you better tools, you should use it in future

i don't know how thunderstore client saves stuff,
assuming it's the same way, find the thunderstore profiles and try coming through them until you find BepInEx

after that it's appropriately labelled in the plugins folder

[river ledge]

i see

[trim lynx]

moreso the other way around

r2mm came first

[solar plover]

I just unlocked both loader and engineer what is better?

I haven't tried them

So I'm just wondering

[high sedge]

you should try them and find out :)

[solar plover]

That's fair

[high sedge]

loader was considered the best in the game for a good number of years though

[solar plover]

Alright I'll try loader first

[high sedge]

ultimately they play so differently that their strength might not factor into your enjoyment at all

[solar plover]

Okay thanks for letting me know:)

OMG LOADER HAS A GRAPPLING HOOK LETS GOOO!!!

[high sedge]

her utility (charged punch) hits way harder if you move faster

you are incentivized to do stupid trickshots and to hit things at a million mph

[solar plover]

That's amazing

Also what dlc should I get first I'm planning on them one at a time

[high sedge]

Survivors of the Void was designed (partly) with filling in gaps in the base game, which means it's what I'd recommend - good mix of regular maps, survivors, items and mechanics, with the only thing that's generally accepted to be a letdown is the added final boss

[solar plover]

Thank you so much you've been a big help😭❤️

[high sedge]

Seekers of the Storm has some very strong characters and items, but is the DLC lacking the most polish overall. nobody thinks halcyonites work properly in any way for instance

alloyed collective is just kind of pretty good, but you do feel a little forced down the AC path instead of it being a general addition to the game at large like survivors

honestly they're all worth it, and the combined $80 ish i've spent on all of the game + DLC has been well worth it (1200hrs in)

[solar plover]

Damn I have 13😭🙏

Thank you so much

[high sedge]

honestly i would wait until at least the 30 hour mark to get a DLC

because there's a lot in the basegame to get through

[solar plover]

Yeah that's understandable

I should probably beat the game before considering it

[high sedge]

I didn't buy SotV until I had beaten E8 on one or two characters like 150 hours in

[solar plover]

Ok so pretty much just enjoy the amazing work of the game first then get even more content after

[high sedge]

100%

[solar plover]

Alright thank you so very much

[high sedge]

no prob

don't be afraid to drop by and ask more questions, the people here can probably tell you the causes of some very obscure interactions

[solar plover]

Yeah from what I can tell this is probably the most friendly server I have seen

I'm most likely gonna be very active from now on

[high sedge]

see you around then

[solar plover]

See you:D

[river ledge]

finally got the file editing working

only took an hour of my life and 3 months of my lifespan

[high sedge]

okay you should start using r2modman

it makes that whole hassle much less

[river ledge]

too much effort to download it

i prolly wont have to change files again... right?

but now i know how so its fine

[high sedge]

r2modman makes editing configs and saving stuff and everything so much easier

[river ledge]

Ladies and gentlemen, my risk of rain no longer works

FAHHHH

[high sedge]

it's not hard to install, especially when you can literally copy/paste the files installed through thunderstore into a profile

[river ledge]

might have fucked my files