ror2-game-questions

[static kindle]

it's one less multiplier, but ah well, some day i'll get the dlc

[crude flame]

shaped glass isn’t dlc and it’s 2x damage

[brave cedar]

Idk, they showed the rorr characters instead of the ror og at the end of the Operator character showcase, so maybe

[crude flame]

watch overall is a kinda high mid tier white item, it sounds way better than it is especially if you’re new

[quasi topaz]

crit, atg, crowbar, sticky bomb, bleed, and so on

[crude flame]

worth it! Survivors of the void is really good

[quasi topaz]

sots is eh, sotv probably the best rn, and ac looks cool rn

just wait for a sale

[static kindle]

yeah I mean, i'd just get both tbh at some point

[crude flame]

mileage definitely is based on the player for sots, but in terms of content it’s got lots. ac looks like it’ll be chock full too lol

[static kindle]

15 dollar oof

[quasi topaz]

around late november/most of december there should be a sale

[static kindle]

how you know

[crude flame]

holiday season in the us

[quasi topaz]

steam usually does sales around that time due to holidays

[static kindle]

yeah, seems to cap out at 10 dollars

should be good value anyways ig

[quasi topaz]

over 600 hours and I don't regret buying either dlc so it really depends on you

[static kindle]

thank god for regional pricing or i wouldn't have even gotten the game lol

but yeah i mean, 10 dollars for 2 dlcs sounds like a good deal

[craggy igloo]

could anyone help me with wave 50 sim? im trynna get acheivement for the survivor

[elfin gazelle]

why is the ping in the server browser always NA?

[onyx furnace]

engineer
that or just beat Voidling

[fringe fiber]

How do i connect my epic account to console risk of rain

[lavish jacinth]

You can't, it's only between steam and epic

[fringe fiber]

so why is there a cross play option when you cant even do that

[lavish jacinth]

Because its crossplay between steam and epic

Although its so glitchy that you shouldn't even bother with it, just keep it turned off

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, but I think they just included them for the sake of completeness. Like, they also included sniper even though railgunner is already in the game

[fading grotto]

I have a quick question, are executes, like from the corrupted crit glasses, added to the total damage stat you see at the end of the run? Asking because I wanted to know if the damage my friends are that low because the executes don't count towards total damage stat or if they genuinely did that little damage.

[glacial knoll]

execute damage does get added to the damage dealt stat somehow

[hoary sedge]

does it? I thought the numbers from lost seers were just visual

since the kill actually comes from the void death effect

[lavish jacinth]

the numbers are visual, but the health of the enemy gets added to your damage total as if you dealt that damage normally

[raven python]

I was messing around with one of the mods that gives thousands of items and I discovered mid run that seekers primary now had near infinite range? What item increases the range on seekers m1’s, if any?

[static kindle]

Does looping infinitely get easier over time

since you grow stronger but enemies don't past LVL 99

[mellow crystal]

Yea

[full apex]

The game will spawn stronger enemies, and more elites, so you'll start getting a lot more bosses and stuff with big stat mults from being elite, but after you've got the most expensive enemies as the highest tier elite, the game wont get any tougher. Final bosses have special scaling based on the difficulty coeff though, so even though they arent elite and get level capped, their stats get a bonus multiplier that always scales

[mellow crystal]

If anything it's usually already walking simulator by stage 10

[static kindle]

I'm perma getting elites already

[full apex]

Yea. while the difficulty technically takes a while to max out fully, you scale way faster with items

When you insta one shot everything, it kinda doesnt matter what type of enemy it is haha

[clear whale]

The best the game could throw at you is a tier 2 elite scavvy

[full apex]

Yup

[clear whale]

After a while the game director shits itself and stop spawning anything'

[mellow crystal]

Would be evil if there was a loop elite that had a cap on how much damage it could take in one or two seconds

[supple yoke]

Does needle tick function similar to overloading where it does similar damage to the original hit?

[crisp timber]

no. Needletick scales off base damage, not total damage

[supple yoke]

Ah

[coarse solstice]

Does crit chance effect Acrid's poison damage at all? And is there anyway I can heal using that damage, I tried leeching seed but that doesn't count for most of acrid's damage which was disappointing so is Wungus still best for him?

[frosty reef]

crit doesn't effect poison. and for healing off poison damage is your best bet probably

[craggy igloo]

13 crowbars on loader does the trick

[next snow]

if the proc coeff - is 0.5
then i have 1 lens maker glass
the 10% chance is =5% chance

[glacial knoll]

crit isnt proc and not proc affected

[next snow]

oh.

okay!
atgm 10% = 5%

?

[glacial knoll]

yeah

[next snow]

okay,thanks

[stuck sorrel]

Outside of Captain, what other characters from the current cast has drone synergies?

[hoary sedge]

nobody really

seeker can heal her drones ig but that's kinda it

[white trench]

Is there already a date for the release of the new dlc?

alloyed collective

[brave cedar]

No, only that it comes out this year

[pallid mirage]

All the equipment that gives you the power of the different elites, are they worth keeping

[lavish jacinth]

blazing, overloading and perfected are worth it, I think twisted is strong (especially if you can give it to an equipment drone), the rest are kinda crap

[pallid mirage]

Which one would you say is the best overall and I got an overloading one in my current run

[lavish jacinth]

blazing is best overall because exists

overloading is a pretty good second though, it's basically a slightly weaker behemoth

both are basically a 50% damage buff (without ignition tank)

[pallid mirage]

The only thing overloading seems like it doesn't have is synergy with some of the other items

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it's basically exactly the same as , all of your attacks create an exploding orb on hit that does 50% total damage after a short delay

behemoth is 60% so overloading is slightly weaker, but it's still really nice

[pallid mirage]

I like that part about it and the recharging shield but idk if that really matters

[lavish jacinth]

yeah the shield part is whatever

[oblique harbor]

What about malachite? It has double the shield or health of blazing?

[lavish jacinth]

you don't get the stat bonuses from elite equipment

[pallid mirage]

Well I guess I got a free behemoth

[oblique harbor]

But you sacrifice the equipment though.

[oblique harbor]

What about over loading?

[lavish jacinth]

the malachite one only gives you the antiheal effect which is almost completely useless (except on some scavs and kipkip ig), and the spike traps don't do much damage

[lavish jacinth]

what about it

you don't get a stat buff from it either

[oblique harbor]

No shield? I though that’s a perk!

[lavish jacinth]

you get the shield, but that isn't really a stat buff

it replaces half your health with shield, you don't get any extra health from it

[oblique harbor]

Oh!

[lavish jacinth]

I think they only one that gives a direct stat buff is perfected, which gives +20% move speed iirc. but no buffs to health or damage

[oblique harbor]

Ok thanks!

[nocturne sierra]

is shatterspleen better tha iredecent pearl?

i have 2 crit glasses also

also throw in molten poriferator as a option (for context i have an irrandiant pearl, and there is 2 overgrown printers, shattersplean and molten periforator)

[lavish jacinth]

who are you playing?

(probably too late but for future reference)

[nocturne sierra]

rex eclipse 2

[lavish jacinth]

also insane luck lmao

[nocturne sierra]

nah ive waited

[lavish jacinth]

I'd probably lean towards molten perf but there's really no wrong choice there

[nocturne sierra]

ok

[lavish jacinth]

if you happen to have then perf definitely wins

[nocturne sierra]

true

alright perf it is

[upper sun]

whats an easy way to get false son

[nocturne sierra]

play drizzle with command

[lavish jacinth]

^

and sacrifice if you want

[sterile rover]

For artifact of devotion, is there a way to check what items the lemurians have?

[lavish jacinth]

there isn't

[sterile rover]

they really should add that

just have in the team score menu

[upper sun]

thx

[warped plume]

With false son, which item(s) are the best to proc growth?

[quasi topaz]

, prayer beads after removal, if you keep your spikes close to 0, ,

and usually only give 1 spike worth but the effectiveness goes down with level and current hp

[warped plume]

How exactly do I remove the prayer beads?

[quasi topaz]

With a scrapper

Or a soup

Or hope it gets removed from a printer

[warped plume]

Amazing information to know, I've been grabbing straight steaks this entire time

[quasi topaz]

Scrappers and printers dont show up when is active

[warped plume]

But I can still use the soup

[quasi topaz]

If you are willing to sacrifice 4 greens along with the beads sure

For the sake of the achievement just spam

[warped plume]

Most of my greens are useless so

[umbral briar]

it’s also worth mentioning that the requirements for Growth scaling grows with how much extra health you’ve gained, so for example your 10th won’t benefit you as much as say your 5th

it’s also why is so good on False Son, because your extra health is always scaling with your base health

[short bolt]

For chance Doll I should stack it as much as possible?

[lavish jacinth]

iirc it hard caps at 7, and isn't really worth it imo

it doesn't increase rarity the same way shipping req form does, it just adds a flat chance to use a separate loot table with better rarities

[short bolt]

ohh ok

Thanks

What about sales star?

[lavish jacinth]

it's worth stacking but it does drop off pretty hard after like 3 stacks

[short bolt]

Well tbf I have no other green item I feel like stacking so that sounds good

What’s the best red to stack I keep getting a lot

[lavish jacinth]

uhhh I think runic lens is pretty good, most reds don't stack super well

usually better to get a bunch of different ones

[short bolt]

alr thanks

[hoary sedge]

runic lens is probably the best stacking red yeah

it used to be growth nectar and it stacked exponentially but they shut that one down pretty quick

[fringe fiber]

How soon is the date for the dlc

Like a week or

[clear whale]

SoonTM

We dont want a second SotS

[quasi topaz]

Exact date is unknown but it was stated to be this year iirc

[mellow crystal]

Expected to be this year yeah

No official statements

[slim spoke]

reminder that theres an emoji for the trademark symbol

[clear whale]

Dont care

[iron yarrow]

So hyped for Operator

And the other survivor too

Hope it’s Enforcer

[wintry fjord]

Nah I want miner

Everyone thinks it's gonna be drifter for some reason

[quasi topaz]

You get drifter by recycling drones so its not the craziest thing to think

[hoary sedge]

also drifters whole gimmick is item based in rorr so it'd make sense for her to do stuff with chests

I feel like they'd have to overhaul enforcer pretty thoroughly in order to make him fun in 3d

especially if the enforcer mod is anything to go by

boring af

[fleet junco]

I need a sanity check from y'all.....

I've been trying to 100% the logbook for quite some time now and have unlocked everything EXCEPT the env logs for Treeborn Colony and Disturbed impact.. I've probably done 100 or so loops looking for these radio scanners and haven't found them once. The artifacts I have used for these runs are Command, sacrifice, and Swarms. I think I've lost my mind at this point. Can I get some reassurance that there isn't a bug in the game that stops the radio scanners from spawning?

I have also noticed that looping through the new green portal stages, I get Golden Dieback ~78% of the time over Treeborn colony (rough math)

[trim lynx]

there is a bug preventing logs for treeborn, but not for disturbed

[fleet junco]

Ok... I've got over a thousand hours in the game, probably 200-300 or so since seekers of the storm, and I haven't seen the disturbed impact radio scanner once. I might submit a bug report because that seems very improbable

[final ether]

Is fireworks item good for anything or just bad. Feel like with my playstyle that's the last white item I'd want

[distant stream]

is gasoline useless on stage 6? (mithrix map)

[frosty reef]

and dead drones make it pretty okay

[frosty reef]

It's okay if you have to do pillars and dealing with phase 2 and 3 spawns, especially if you have

[hoary sedge]

gas is also good stage 6 if you have

[brittle shuttle]

I like fireworks

It kinda functions as a discount item by fucking over any enemy you might not see

[lavish jacinth]

they do a solid amount of damage and if they get any kills then it's basically a free rebate on anything you buy

[brittle shuttle]

But not really anything to use as main dps

Even in the builds firework is good in its nothing insane

[lavish jacinth]

in practice they're more of a defense/utility item than a damage item, just like

unless you have caffienator

plus if there are some barrels or chests near the teleporter, you can save them and then use fireworks to get a nice chunk of free damage on the boss

[tender temple]

Unironically one run my damage was so bad I only killed false son cause of fireworks

[static kindle]

can you play multiplayer solo?

[lavish jacinth]

Like start with an empty lobby and have people join mid-game? Or having multiplayer scaling in singleplayer?

Because either way the answer is no, but there's a mod for it

[static kindle]

latter

[lavish jacinth]

https://thunderstore.io/package/6thmoon/MultitudesDifficulty/ This hasn't been updated for a while so idk if it still works, but if there's a replacement then #ror2-modding would know

[cobalt quiver]

I think Disturbed Impact might still not be fixed?
I have the same problem. Been trying for a while, even with command and sacrifice on, never spawned.
Disturbed Impact and the sots stage 2s are the only ones I have left.

[amber swan]

I found it actually.

It can spawn there.

On pc steam version

[fleet junco]

Can you give me more info on when you found it? Was it first loop? What artifacts did you use?

[cobalt quiver]

It can spawn there, but the sots stage 2s' radio scanner are blocked from spawning if you already have the amphelian santuary log.
The same could still be happening with disturbed impact (albeit with different maps or something else altogether) even though they said they fixed it 3 months ago.
searching disturbed impact in this discord shows a bunch of people still have issue with it after they said they patched it too

[wintry crag]

is it possible to make it so i can hold down the spacebar to jump instead of having to press it down every time?

[native perch]

hi, lil question do sonorous whisper work on elite with artifact of honor ?

[lavish jacinth]

pretty sure, yeah

I haven't tested it but all the other elite-related items do so I don't see why it wouldn't

[native perch]

thx for the answer : )

[lavish jacinth]

no

[final ether]

Yeah useless with artifact of sacrifice though

[lavish jacinth]

It still works with drones, barrels, , and anything else you can interact with

[silver fable]

Im trying to get to siren's call I went thro the bazaar I can't tell which one is the sirens call

[native perch]

do item like ukulele can crit and if yes, how does that work for railgunner as all crit chance go to crit damage ?

[trim lynx]

the crit is inherited from the initial hit

[native perch]

so if i hit weak point all effect on hit/ on death crit ?

[trim lynx]

this is the case for everything except for some reason

[amber swan]

I was using dissonance.

thats all I remember unfortunately

[trim lynx]

on death effects arent iirc

but i may be wrong

[native perch]

what iirc mean ( i'm new to risk of rain )

[trim lynx]

if i recall correctly :P

[native perch]

ok, thanks for all the answers : )

[trim lynx]

np!

[clear whale]

make sure to remember it since its used alot in internet discussions

[alpine harness]

i have a lot of lag recently even if i put all my graphique down and all that can somone tell me if there is a solution for having the less lag possible

[quasi topaz]

Close other applications, try restarting your device, make sure your device isnt overheating

[alpine harness]

okay thx i'll check that 😉

[fleet junco]

I found one on literally my next run, thanks! Are we sure that the treeborn colony radio scanner does not spawn?

[quasi topaz]

There should also be some mods that try to make the game run a little better so you can also look into those

[amber swan]

hold on I recall having tree borns log

[fleet junco]

What specs do you have for your computer or are you on console?

[fleet junco]

Someone said yesterday that it was bugged

[amber swan]

No I do not have treeborns log.

could swear I found a radio scanner there

[fleet junco]

I thought so too but it was golden dieback haha, I'll make sure that there's a bug ticket for it

[native perch]

with railgunner, is there a way to fix the difference between ads and hip ? ( the fact that when i scope it's i bit lower than when hip make the use a bit unlogical for me ) if any answer please ping me : )

[quasi topaz]

With railgunner the best way to do good damage is to get good at quick scoping. Turn your camera to the enemy, scope in, fire, scope out, do the reload minigame, repeat

The default m1 is only really used as fall damage mitigation and for wisps in tge early game imo

[native perch]

it's what i do but as a fps player the fact that when i scope it's under were i was looking it's special

[quasi topaz]

I scope in mid sprint to have a better reference for the center, I dont think its been off for me before, or I just didnt notice

[native perch]

there is the arrow when i run and it's like a centimeter under when i scope

[quasi topaz]

Then adjust your camera for that, ive never heard anyone have this issue with railgunner

[lavish jacinth]

the hitboxes are also generous enough that the crosshair being a little off shouldn't really matter

[static kindle]

which dlc do i get chat

[hoary sedge]

i usually recommend sotv first

or just wait until alloyed collective comes out

[static kindle]

what's alloyed collective

Fuck it i bought both

[wispy rover]

hi guys, if you go over 100% crit chance is there like double crit in this game ?

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[wispy rover]

or is the excess crit chance useless

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't do anything past 100% unless you're railgunner (but the damage bonus she gets from crit chance is so small that it's not worth doing)

[wispy rover]

gotcha, thanks !

[frosty quail]

Next dlc to come out

[static kindle]

why

[frosty quail]

What do you mean why?

[static kindle]

why wait

[frosty quail]

Oh no don't wait, buy all the dlcs there all fun. (Except i don't know about alloyed collective as it is not out.)

Actually maby stay away from alloyed till it comes out and buy it then it's that out of the box fresh as hell experience.

[soft phoenix]

I'm really confused on how hard this game is, I played a lot of it, but I've been finding the game harder and harder as time goes on, rainstorm used to be okay and now I keep dying at stage 2, everything seems to do so much damage, I'm not sure what I can do to get better

anyone have any tips?

[lavish jacinth]

make sure you're full-looting every stage as efficiently as you can

don't rush straight to the teleporter

[soft phoenix]

I'm trying to i have stagerecap and I'm only missing a chest occasionally

maybe I'm taking a little too long per stage?

was using the one item per minute rule but maybe I should go back to trying to cap out at 5 mins a stage

[lavish jacinth]

a good rule of thumb is to leave stages with more items than minutes

[steady stone]

Try not to play in the same way, you may have latched on to a strategy that worked once but doesn't normally while learning, being random every time

[lavish jacinth]

nah, don't do the 5 minute rule

[soft phoenix]

mkay ill stick to an item per minute

[lavish jacinth]

it's also okay to spend time on stuff like printers and scrappers, the timer really isn't that strict, even on monsoon. As long as you're spending time on stuff that'll make you stronger overall

[frosty reef]

Even 1 item per minute is whatever, you're not gonna keep track of how many items you get. Just get everything and over time you'll do it more efficiently. I'd look to your target priority and movement as the primary reason you're having a difficult time

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's another thing

learning how to prioritize and deal with enemies is a big part of the learning curve

[soft phoenix]

hmm thanks will keep that in mind

[soft phoenix]

yeah I have learned what enemies are the biggest threats to deal with them first

[lavish jacinth]

for me target priority is basically in order of "how likely is it that this enemy will hit me, and if it does hit me, how much damage will it deal"

[soft phoenix]

movement maybe is an issue

[lavish jacinth]

could be

you wanna be strafing and jumping a lot, ideally circlestrafing around enemies

most enemies have terrible aim and won't hit you as long as you're moving perpendicular to where they're aiming

and they have limited turn speed, so if you get up close it's really easy to get behind them

[soft phoenix]

I do know about how things will work like with lasers and how much I need to move to avoid them

right yeah I will keep moving in a circle as a main factor to concentrate on thank you

[lavish jacinth]

ye

[soft phoenix]

I think I was doing that some of the time but maybe not as much as I should be

[frosty reef]

Also disputed origin's eclipse guide is a good source for playing the game better if you wanna check it out

[soft phoenix]

will search it up thank you

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, and it's good to practice dodging without relying on a mobility skill

sprinting, strafing and jumping will get you pretty far, and then you can save your movement skills for when you really need them

they really can't hit shit as long as you're not standing still or running straight at them lol

[soft phoenix]

right yeah I see lol

[frosty quail]

Is there a boss cap for teleporters?

[crisp timber]

I mean at some point, the teleporter will spawn elite bosses instead of normal bosses

[rigid yacht]

is it possible to do so much damage in risk of rain ?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1393600505221087415/1415108091007078552/image.png?ex=68c2019c&is=68c0b01c&hm=a62349bc2e0470b8ea506d028401da820f5138ce4931675f5e390cd3e07f0a4e&

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, there's no limit on how much damage you can deal

[rigid yacht]

just, i think my mate cheats
Because he's only 2 hours into the game and we've reached level 4.

[lavish jacinth]

do you know what character he was playing and what items he had?

it's a lot of damage for stage 4 but not impossible

[rigid yacht]

Bandit (shotgun guys)

[lavish jacinth]

was he stacking ?

bandit can do a lot of damage but it's hard to know for sure without seeing all of his items

[left forge]

And varied damage items like and ?

[lavish jacinth]

(I think there's also some jank in multiplayer where damage from other players gets attributed to the wrong person, but I'm not sure about that)

[rigid yacht]

Nop

[lavish jacinth]

it would also be fairly obvious if he were cheating because he'd probably be oneshotting everything with that kind of damage

[rigid yacht]

just 2 and 3

[lavish jacinth]

those were his only damage items?

[rigid yacht]

I don't remember all the item but he's starting the game

(with me)

[lavish jacinth]

well, was he actually oneshotting every enemy or did it seem like he was doing normal amounts of damage when you were playing?

because if he was dealing normal damage then it's probably just a bug with the stats screen or something

[rigid yacht]

sometimes he oneshot mob with 1M damage and as soon as I died, it went back to normal

[lavish jacinth]

huh

well if he's cheating, then that's a weird way of doing it, lol

and it stopped happening AFTER you died?

[rigid yacht]

yeah, it went to 50 damage per hit

[lavish jacinth]

ok, I have absolutely no idea then lol

that's definitely not normal but I don't know what would cause it

I wouldn't even say for certain that they're cheating

[marble osprey]

Were you playing chef, by any chance? There's currently a lot of jank tied to chef dying for some reason

[rigid yacht]

no i played huntress

(bow girl)

[lavish jacinth]

don't worry, we know the characters names, lol

[marble osprey]

From the max damage inflicted stat it looks like they dealt 1/6 of that total damage in a single hit, so maybe they just had several proc items and just had a couple instances of good luck with a proc chain going super long and so the final hit just did crazy damage? Like an ice band proc off a churf hit procced off an atg or something like that?

[crisp timber]

Even if you consider that, 12 million is still a lot of damage for stage 4

[rigid yacht]

17 million *

[crisp timber]

Yeah I was subtracting a couple mill for the large hit

Kinda just defaulted to 16 and 4

[lavish jacinth]

17 million is the kind of damage you normally don't see unless you're looping

[lavish jacinth]

has this happened multiple times or was it just this one run?

[rigid yacht]

just a single time i think

[lavish jacinth]

hm

[amber swan]

is alt loader grapple a direct upgrade or does it have another downside other then "pull small enemies to you" (which can be either a upside or downside)

[lavish jacinth]

the damage can occasionally waste the bonus from crowbar, but that's pretty much it

pulling enemies to you is mostly a downside though

I wouldn't call it a direct upgrade but the pros and cons are both very minor

[jaunty furnace]

i think its preference

i like the default because of the consistent movement

[crisp timber]

alt grapple can proc bands off a breaching fin

[jaunty furnace]

...thats not an upside

[native perch]

hi, is there a way to deactivate the fact that when i pick up an item it show it like the ukulele that is display on my back ?

[crisp timber]

Sorry, yeah. It was another downside

[jaunty furnace]

https://thunderstore.io/package/KingEnderBrine/PartialItemDisplay/ to choose
or
https://thunderstore.io/package/riskofresources/ItemDisplayRemoval/ to remove all

but in vanilla no i dont think so

[thick garden]

how does loops works ? In a run instead of going to the commencement I teleported back to the first level and I don't know how

[mellow crystal]

If you go to the next stage through any method except for a moon-aligned primordial tp, you loop
You know the tp is moon-aligned if the gray stone prongs surround it in a circle, if they're arranged to form two large prongs then interact with them to realign them

[thick garden]

wait so

the one time I didn't looped was because the stone spawned already aligned ?

since I didn't knew I could interact

[jaunty furnace]

its always set to moon by default

[thick garden]

oh ok

so if Im at the primordial tp and don't want to go for mithrix I can interact with the stones and go for another boss ?

[jaunty furnace]

if you want to, sure ig

but youll have to go through 5 more stages before having a chance to go to the moon again

[thick garden]

do I get more chests or are the looped stages empty ?

[jaunty furnace]

looping is kinda boring because it gets easier and easier from how many items you get

but some people just like the power fantasy ig

there are some looping achievements thoug,,,,

[thick garden]

last time I got to a boss I got destroyed so I will loop if I can get stronger to learn the phases yn

[jaunty furnace]

you aint really gonna learn anything from just instakilling the boss

learning from mistakes is part of the game

[thick garden]

yeah if I get strong enough I will still try

[jaunty furnace]

are you getting all the items you can

before exiting stages

items are the thing that make you stronger so youll want to loot stages as best as you can

[thick garden]

yeah I try

[jaunty furnace]

you dont need to worry too much about time because items scale you faster more than "time" scales enemies

[thick garden]

but usually I get a stage that i get lost in so I don't find much items and loose a lot of time

[jaunty furnace]

youll learn em

[thick garden]

yeah surely

[jaunty furnace]

try to remember where you havent explored

[thick garden]

yeah

[marble magnet]

Does tranquility make you invincible

*reprieve

I meant reprieve woopsie

[mellow crystal]

No

But with how fast you go you might as well be

[marble magnet]

Oke

I was wondering because I was thinking about going to false son (I didn't I didn't have scrap, so going there's probably wouldn't of been worth it)

[pulsar torrent]

guys....is the collective....alloyed?

[native prairie]

Should you always be looking for newt altar?

Can't find it all the time

[tender temple]

if you want to go to the bazaar every time i suppose?

theres newt locations you can find in the wiki on their respective stage pages

some stages have guaranteed locations as well

[native prairie]

Ah ok,thanks

didn't know there were guaranteed locations

[harsh ingot]

how do i protect myself from getting 1 shot in later stages of the game

its like i blink once and boom im dead

[lavish jacinth]

Never stop moving and stay aware of what enemies are around you

[harsh ingot]

yeah but sometimes movement is not enough i feel like

[lavish jacinth]

If you have enough movement speed then it should be

Most enemy attacks can be dodged even with base speed, and anything that can't can be avoided in other ways

[harsh ingot]

so there is no item or strat or synergy that helps

[crisp timber]

The items that help are movement
The strat that helps is running in circles

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, speed items and damage, there's nothing specific that magically makes late stages easier

[harsh ingot]

i feel like you guys are trolling me

[lavish jacinth]

Circlestrafing, learning enemy attack cues and knowing which enemies to stay away from will get you far

[crisp timber]

Items like Opal or Safer Spaces will be able to protect you from taking huge chunks, but that’s on a cooldown and won’t be able to support you if you don’t dodge regularly

[lavish jacinth]

If I were trolling I'd just say "skill issue" and leave it at that

[jaunty furnace]

shocker: moving lets you avoid attacks and increasing movement lets you avoid more attacks

[harsh ingot]

Alright then

I appreciate you guys thanks

[lavish jacinth]

People regularly win itemless runs in this game, it CAN be done. It really is just skill, game knowledge and practice

[frosty reef]

Can always watch a Race video on YT to see the methods they talked about above in action on the hardest difficulty

[jaunty furnace]

defense items are also important (like )

[lavish jacinth]

Rose buckler my beloved

[crisp timber]

Defense items are like force multipliers. They get better the less often you get hit

[lavish jacinth]

Repulsion plate does fall off in later stages though

[lavish jacinth]

Good way of putting it

There's no tanking damage in ror2, at least not without a command build specifically dedicated to it

[wispy rover]

hi guys, jus wanted to ask if there's any way i could've gotten this item ? (ignore the audio, i was playing a vid in the bg for bg noise 😭)

[lavish jacinth]

Nope, you got trolled

[harsh ingot]

if i get enough teddies like 10 does that negate all the damage i get?

[wispy rover]

is this my first "risk of rain" moment

damn

[crisp timber]

60% of it, sure

[harsh ingot]

cant you negate 100% if you get enough?

[crisp timber]

Nope. It’s logarithmic scaling

So it’ll approach 100%, but won’t ever actually hit 100%

[lavish jacinth]

I think technically it can, but it takes like millions of stacks

Eventually the chance increase is so small that the game has to round up to 100%

[harsh ingot]

oh i thought you just get what the first one gives of chance added up

how do you know which ones are logarithmic and which arent

i dont even know what that means

[lavish jacinth]

That'd be kinda broken lol, 7 stacks of a common item and you win

[lavish jacinth]

You don't, but most items are linear. Hyperbolic scaling is usually only used when stacking an item to 100% chance would be totally game-breaking

[jaunty furnace]

nice last frame lol

[crisp timber]

Err yep oop. Hyperbolic, not logarithmic

[lavish jacinth]

(If you do wanna be nearly invincible though, 65 stacks of safer spaces gives it a 1-frame cooldown)

[lavish jacinth]

Also you can look it up on the wiki if you wanna know for sure

[harsh ingot]

thanks again

[fossil thunder]

what dlc should i buy first ?

[lavish jacinth]

both are good, but I'd generally recommend sotv first

it has more content and new mechanics that directly affect normal gameplay

A good chunk of the SotS content is tied to the alternate stage path and final boss that it adds

which isn't bad, but it feels more like adding a big sidequest to the game rather than adding content to the base game

but SotS also has more fun survivors and a MUCH better final boss (imo)

[jaunty furnace]

sotv 10000%

sots isnt as good as sotv but its still a decent addition

if you can only afford one dlc then definitely get sotv

[fossil thunder]

okokokok ty guys sm

[trim lynx]

i also dont find the maps of sots as fun without sotv enemies :)

[fossil thunder]

hmmm might just yolo and buy both at the same time then 🧐

[mellow crystal]

I'd recommend it, they kind of complement each other
Sotv is good for the items and some of the enemies, sots is good for the survivors and final boss

[turbid whale]

been playing monsoon runs with a friend thats been playing for around a week now, and we cant seem to win
i can usually solo monsoon runs with ease, but now i feel like we cant even get to the moon in the first place
any tips or advice?

[quasi topaz]

multiplayer increases the health and damage of enemies, try to pick characters with minimal item overlap and coordinate with each other on picking up items. Half the words spoken to my friends when I'm playing with them are just "do you want x, or should I just take"

[turbid whale]

yeah i do that too, its probably the item overlap part

who should i play then? he usually runs railgunner, chef, false son, seeker, or captain

rn hes running railgunner

[lavish jacinth]

if he tends to run bursty characters then someone more proc-focused would be a good choice, like commando, mul-t or engineer

Engineer in particular is always a solid choice in multiplayer, he synergizes with a lot of garbage items that other characters don't care about and bungus turrets are an easy way to heal teammates

[turbid whale]

ill run engineer then :D

[lavish jacinth]

Acrid's also a really safe pick, since he's not overly item-dependent and poison provides extremely consistent damage

[turbid whale]

im playing acrid right now as a matter of fact

[fossil thunder]

should i play with them both on ?

[harsh ingot]

yo there is a golden statue thingy

and i spammed it out and now my teleporterr has a goldenn orb around it what does that mean

all good i got it

[mellow crystal]

Ye

[hardy abyss]

anyone have tips for unlocking mercenary stay in th eair for 30 secounds secoundary?

[crisp timber]

you can just sit in the little air columns on stage 5

alternatively, chrysalis, although you'll need 2 charges

[hearty shore]

How do i get false son family bonding.

[crisp timber]

as in literally how or how do you make it easier

[hearty shore]

How to make it easier

[hardy abyss]

realized it as soon as I asked lol

[crisp timber]

ideally, you just stack aurelionites by trying to hit gilded coast as much as possible

spikes are also easier to control as they do damage in smaller chunks

apart from that, you just try to minimize the number of proc items you bring with you into the fight and load up on debuffs to help aurelionite actually get what is ideally the last 5-10%

[floral iris]

Does anyone have any tips for beating mithrix on monsoon? (I mainly play artificer and void fiend)

[lavish jacinth]

#ror2-game-questions message

[floral iris]

Perfect thx

[twin valley]

am i supposed to be here again. this is the first time i have ever been to prime meridian twice in a run and ive been playing sots since it came out

the game functioned as normal and there was nothing inherently wrong with the way things went but im very certain ive never gotten a green portal on a stage 3 after id done prime meridian already in the run

[lavish jacinth]

it's just a bug, you're only supposed to be able to fight false son once per run but sometimes you're able to get back to prime meridian for whatever reason

[wispy rover]

hi guys, is there any way to interact w this box ?

[uneven crow]

You're late by 9:59 mins, you have to go quicker to get the loot

[peak holly]

Be there before 10 mins

[jaunty furnace]

theyre late by more than that

[jaunty furnace]

when you eventually decide to speedrun to unlock this box, use the bazaar (blue portal) to select this stage

disabling dlcs may help because the stage select things will have a higher chance of picking rallypoint delta

[uneven crow]

so what does -9:59 mean

[jaunty furnace]

the timer stops past that

and shows -9:59 infinitely

kinda dumb but its whatever

[uneven crow]

Oh I didn't know that

[jaunty furnace]

sounds like youre going too fast

or you just havent played long enough to find the chest again

[regal forum]

As soon as you start your run you need to interact with this Box before the in game Timer of your run reaches 10 minutes

[wispy rover]

gotcha, thanks for the answers yall :>

TIL, giving the credit card to the equipment drone makes it useless 😭

[mellow crystal]

Yeah equip drone doesn't have any special equipment interactions

It's a gunner drone that uses equipment instead of firing bullets
That's exactly how it's coded

[wispy rover]

yeah, i assumed that it'd use the equipment in appropriate scenarios

[trim lynx]

except seed of life

in a sense

[native prairie]

How good is repulsion plate? Already have one but don't know whether to take more as I have the chance

[quasi topaz]

Good early game but effectiveness falls off hard as time goes on

[native prairie]

ah ok, thanks. So if I have choice of movespeed thats better, right?

[quasi topaz]

Always take movespeed over Defense

[native prairie]

Thanks

Im bad at dodging right now haha

[quasi topaz]

Always better to avoid the hit outright than to take the hit and rely on defense items

[native prairie]

That makes sense, thank you

[jaunty furnace]

no

[jaunty furnace]

repulsion plate is good for low damage attacks like wisp blasts, clay minigun guys, wisp chimeras, etc

aint gonna save you on higher damage attacks though

[steady stone]

yeah but it falls off because it only scales flat damage, hits eventually do hundreds and thousands

that's why good healing does % healing, and why planula isnt the best later either

[jaunty furnace]

if you loop for 10 years maybe

but i dont do that

[crisp timber]

like 3 RAP is pretty fuckin good even into stage 5. It goes a long way to stopping stuff like burning too
movement absolutely trumps, though

[native prairie]

Thanks

does the final boss get harder the logner the run takes?

[jaunty furnace]

dont worry too much about time

focus on becoming stronger

try to get everything you can, and make good decisions (like knowing what items you need/what build you should go into, or waiting for a recycler before picking up a bad red item, etc)

[crisp timber]

technically yes, but it's worth it to take your time, generally, because you'll scale faster with more/better items than the final boss will with time

[native prairie]

Thanks guys

I've died like 3 times to the final level now

Not even to the boss, I just get shredded by one of the normal enemies

[crisp timber]

the flying ones?

[native prairie]

I think one time to those, the one to the walking ones

[crisp timber]

at the moon, you should feel comfortable just sitting around the ship or even running back to the tunnel while the wisps come chase you. They're arguably the most dangerous part of the moon, especially the perfected ones

[jaunty furnace]

movement should be your first line of defense (player skill + , ,, etc). after that, youll want some defense items (,,,, etc)

[native prairie]

Thanks

[native prairie]

Yeah it's definitely my fault, I was fast enough

Forgot how much damage they do and just kinda died lol

Should I play with first DLC on? Only have that one right now but haven't been playing with it on

[jaunty furnace]

its great

i personally started with it, but base game is still fun on its own

[native prairie]

Was more worried it might make game too hard or something

[jaunty furnace]

nah dlcs make it easier lol

this shit is nuts

[native prairie]

Will give it a try then. If it's not active I can't unlock stuff from the dlc right?

[jaunty furnace]

idk

[native prairie]

will play with it on now either way. What items are good to scrap btw? I don't bother usually

[jaunty furnace]

depends on your build

[native prairie]

Ah right. I'm just playing Bandit right now. I guess proc things aren't as useful

[lavish jacinth]

are near-universal scrap

[lavish jacinth]

Proc is very useful on bandit

Total damage procs are good on everyone

[native prairie]

ah I thgouth because he doesnt attack that fast and his special is one one shottoo it wouldnt be

[jaunty furnace]

stuff like (etc) are almost always ass

[lavish jacinth]

Most proc items deal a % of the hit that procced them, so they're strong regardless of how often you attack

Only exceptions are bleed and collapse, but both are decent on bandit

Oh and boomerang

[native prairie]

Ah I see, thanks

[native prairie]

Thanks I noticed

for some of those anyway

I swear 90% of the legendarys I pick up are bad though, maybe playing with dlc now will change it?

[lavish jacinth]

Which dlc do you have?

[jaunty furnace]

sotv adds 6 reds, 2 of them are bad but the rest are pretty damn crazy

[lavish jacinth]

Ehhhhhh

There's one insanely good one () and one that's trash (), the rest kinda vary

[jaunty furnace]

i dont recall the last time i wanted to have a bottled chaos

[lavish jacinth]

Icbm is either amazing or completely useless depending on whether you have missile items

Scorpion is good on some characters but worthless on others

Scope is crap if you're not playing bandit or railgunner, unless you already have really high crit chance

And bottle is just the most mid item ever

[native prairie]

only the first

[native prairie]

thanks. feel like most of the time the ones I get aren;'t that good

[lavish jacinth]

Probably about a third of the reds in the game are actually really good

Another third are just whatever, and the rest suck

And the sotv reds don't change that much imo

[native prairie]

ah ok, thanks

I just beat first stage but the blue portal is not spawning despite me activating the altar for it. What happened?

the blue circle is going around the teleporter still but no portal

[glacial knoll]

i wouldn't call a third bad and a third whatever most are pretty good maybe underrated

did you activate the newt shrine before the teleporter

[native prairie]

Nevermind, it just spawned further away than I expected lol

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, I'm just generalizing, But there are definitely standouts on both ends of the spectrum

[native prairie]

When a drone you repair dies is it gone permanently?

[jaunty furnace]

more and more expensive

atleast thats how it is in rorr, idr if it gets pricier in ror2 too

[glacial knoll]

not more expensive than a normal drone that would spawn at that time

[jaunty furnace]

however some drones do have permadeath (tc for example)

[jaunty furnace]

alright

[native prairie]

Ah thanks

[native prairie]

I found the tricorn equipment that lets you kill boss for its item, should I use it on first thing that seems good or save it?

[frosty reef]

Both options are kinda the same no? You'll always want to save it until the first thing that seems good for your current build/survivor

[lavish jacinth]

If you've got another equipment that you really want to keep, you can spend the tricorn on the first boss you see.

But if you wanna go for a good boss item and you've got stages coming up with good boss pools, save it

[native prairie]

Thanks, used on beetle since I read this jus tafter I used it lol

[lavish jacinth]

lol

Well, not the worst thing to use it on at least

[native prairie]

Is it worth getting void version of tougher times? seems risky

[slim spoke]

both of them are good

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, safer spaces is great

Unless you're playing Rex or are absolutely terrible at dodging

[crisp timber]

safer spaces is generally considered better, moreso if you're at a low number of stacks (like <4)

but that does include the prerequisite that you dodge, yeah

[native prairie]

Thanks, will give it a try

[lavish jacinth]

Safer actually stacks a lot more efficiently than tougher times

[native prairie]

I'm kinda bad at dodging but I'll try it out anyway

[crisp timber]

i thought it was only better once you started getting a crazy number like 10+?

i mean idk i admittedly have not checked the numbers

vibes based item rulings

[lavish jacinth]

I mean if you're getting hit like every 5 seconds then yeah, tougher times scales better initially

But SS gets really good returns per stack

[crisp timber]

wait SS has a 15 second cooldown dawg i thought it was 30

this item is busted

[slim spoke]

not really

[lavish jacinth]

It's actually only 13.5s initially because the cooldown reduction gets applied on the first stack too

[slim spoke]

its still more of a skill save like stealthkit, albeit much much more superior

[lavish jacinth]

The reliability is what makes it strong

[slim spoke]

true

[crisp timber]

yeah nevermind mid stacks is way better than I thought

[slim spoke]

doom invis is quite literally an over amplified ror2 invis

[jaunty furnace]

literally best defensive item

its a guaranteed dodge recharging every 15s or less

[lavish jacinth]

Not really, doom invis just adds random spread to enemy attacks

Ror2 cloak actually makes enemies lose track of you

(Kinda, they get updates on your position once per second and are more likely to change targets iirc)

[native prairie]

Yeah it seems good so far

Is titanic knurl good? Got another tricorne to use

[lavish jacinth]

No

It's like the worst boss item lol

[native prairie]

Thanks will leave it then

[jaunty furnace]

are not worth wasting tricorn on

unless theres no other option

[frosty reef]

A bit too definitive of a statement tbh

[jaunty furnace]

if im low on healing i still wouldnt really want to use it for a when i could get //// later

could also be greed talking

[crisp timber]

murn pre e5 is like, kinda goated tho

[frosty reef]

murn post e5 is still very strong lol

[jaunty furnace]

why waste tricorn on murn when i can just have like. 3 slugs and a cool boss item later lol

[frosty reef]

Not everyone plays command to always get 3 slugs and a boss item they want

[crisp timber]

opportunity cost, 3 extra scrap, tar

like IDP isn't a great red, but the fact it lets you get rid of the rest of your healing means it's actually pretty solid

[jaunty furnace]

i meant that murn is unneeded because the couple healing items i will usually get from random chests is enough for me

[lavish jacinth]

Murn is solid for healing but usually not something I'd go out of my way to use tricorn on

[crisp timber]

the opportunity cost of using it on anything in hatchery is unfortunate

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah I was about to say, helminth basically guarantees a good boss

[crisp timber]

it's just constantly sitting at an awkward #5 best yellow

[lavish jacinth]

I'd say #6

[crisp timber]

ngl i was spitballing here

merf cherf spleen cores

[bitter juniper]

hey guys, is there some sort of channel for queing up with people for online

[crisp timber]

oh lil D

[lavish jacinth]

Yea

[crisp timber]

dawg they need to make grovetenders more common

[lavish jacinth]

#lfg-pc-ror2 or whatever platform you're on

[bitter juniper]

thank you!!

[native prairie]

Another good run and died to the flying things on the last level lol

[lavish jacinth]

They sorta did, they appear on a lot of the SotS stages

[crisp timber]

oh yeah. i dont do treeborn i wouldnt know lmao

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, wisp chimeras are probably the most dangerous thing in the whole game

Gotta use cover and wait out their machine gun

[bitter juniper]

do yall have tips at getting good at other characters instead of just maining one? im really guilty of this since i just play bandit and suck at every other survivor i try to play with(commando, huntress, mul-t and engineer)

[lavish jacinth]

iirc it has like a 10 second cooldown after firing so you get a decent window to attack them

[lavish jacinth]

Honestly it's kinda just practice. It helps to unlock alt skills so you have more ways to play them

[crisp timber]

kinda hard to give tips without knowing exactly what it is you struggle with, but generally stuff like learning to dodge and enemy prioritization will help you on all survivors.
apart from that, also just figuring out playstyles and item builds?

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, knowing general stuff like that helps

[native prairie]

I was doign so little damage to them too haha. At least I know what they all do now. I made it further this time

[crisp timber]

like i used to have a friend who was horrendous on huntress and acrid, and i watched them and figured it was because they weren't abusing the mobility aspect of the characters. working on that helped them a lot

[bitter juniper]

yeah no cause seeing how i really wanna get loader and play bandit i like to deal quick and high damage while having movement. i also kinda struggle with tunnel vision on bosses. ive been thinking if i should grind to get command since i would love to expirement with builds that i actually get to chose

[lavish jacinth]

Oh apparently it's 20 seconds, even better

[bitter juniper]

i feel like the reason i prefer bandit is cause i get to dispurse of bosses and enemies way faster, i just dont have good survivabillity either

[lavish jacinth]

Command is fun to play around with but imho if you wanna get better at the game, it's better to play without it

Not having it forces you to learn how to utilize every item instead of just relying on a perfect build every time

[crisp timber]

this might be a movement and item prioritization thing, then, if you're struggling with survivability and feel like the other survivors aren't letting you kill bosses quickly

also yeah i personally think command is more of a sandbox tool than a learning tool

[lavish jacinth]

Make sure you're full-clearing stages and not rushing, that makes a huge difference. Items are how you get stronger

[lavish jacinth]

Tunnel vision is probably hurting you too, yeah. Target priority is a big part of the learning curve, and bosses aren't always the highest priority target

For me target priority is "how likely is it that this enemy will hit me, and if they do, how much damage will it deal"

[crisp timber]

a lot of bosses are actually pretty low priority

cuz they kinda just stand there and dont do much if you walk around a bit

[lavish jacinth]

A lot of bosses are almost more like environmental hazards

[crisp timber]

apart from doomstrider

[jaunty furnace]

use cover or run left or right to dodge or get some

[bitter juniper]

i kinda wanna get it so that i can get loader a bit easier maybe 😭, im kinda pissed that i need so much luck to get a solid build that works for me and the boss, and then get a 1/3 chance to even get siren's call to then just fuck up on the boss

[bitter juniper]

yeah thats true

[lavish jacinth]

If you've got some lunar coins to spend, you can buy a newt altar on stage 3, go to the bazaar and use a lunar seer to semi-guarantee sirens call

(You can also just play drizzle to make it easier)

[bitter juniper]

i am so confused

im really sorry i think ive been to bazaar like once

[lavish jacinth]

Newt altars guarantee a portal to the bazaar after beating the teleporter

[bitter juniper]

ohh

[lavish jacinth]

In the bazaar there are these portal things that let you pick the next stage for 3 lunar coins

[bitter juniper]

well what if i dont have lunar coins on that run

do i just pray for sirens call

[lavish jacinth]

It only gives 2 choices so sirens isn't guaranteed, but it increases your odds by a lot

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, get lucky and save up some coins, they carry over between runs

[native prairie]

Thanks, will do that. THink I got impatient. I was barely doing damage to it.

[bitter juniper]

OH

[lavish jacinth]

You also get them for doing challenges now iirc

[bitter juniper]

didnt know they carried im pretty sure i have some

yeah we good i have like 48

alright tysm! i guess ill just do this from now

[crisp timber]

if you die to them again, feel free to post a run synopsis and we can maybe take a look over your items

if you're not dealing enough damage, that's likely an item problem

[lavish jacinth]

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[harsh ingot]

yo when i gett shipping request form

does the item spawn directly in the map once i pick it up or on the next stage

[lavish jacinth]

Next stage, it's a special interactable like rusted key

(Much easier to find though)

[harsh ingot]

thanks

[native prairie]

is warbanner good on bandit? I shouldnt really be sticking to one place that much right

[lavish jacinth]

it's kinda mid on everyone

it's okay on early stages, but it's way better to just get passive buffs from other items instead of the situational buff from warbanner

[native prairie]

That makes sense, thanks. I've been scrapping them mostly

is weeping fungus good?

[jaunty furnace]

yea

maybe not on engi because his turrets utilize bungus pretty well

also, if youre looking for other void whites (which you should, safer spaces is crazy), then you may consider leaving it on the ground for a bit to see if theres a on the stage

you can also use it to survive vields for a pretty good amount of time

[native prairie]

Thanks, will do that

[jaunty furnace]

overall pretty good healing item

[harsh ingot]

yo i need some advice

how do i manage healing with void fiend should i take no heal items at all or specific ones idk

[steady stone]

Regen won't count, so like slug is pretty good, but try to avoid healing you can't control, like wungus or medkit, as it will heavily mess with your meter

the meter itself also acts as an insanely good healing source

[harsh ingot]

appreciate it ❤️

[lavish jacinth]

is also pretty good if you don't stack too many
you gain 2% corruption whenever you crit which will outweight the corruption lost from scythe's flat healing, so it's a good way to heal while corrupted

[harsh ingot]

ohhhh nice to know

[kindred dragon]

does enabling mountain shrine increase chance of spawning imp overlord in stage 3?

[lavish jacinth]

stage 3 never has mountain shrines

[kindred dragon]

oh right lol

[lavish jacinth]

but even if it did, mountain shrines don't usually affect the type of boss that spawns, it just gives the director more credits when spawning a boss, I think. And iirc imp overlords cost about the same as the other stage 3-4 bosses

[kindred dragon]

oh

just random chance to spawn imp

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[kindred dragon]

but gotta be careful with many mountain shrines because it can spawn rare or really notorious boss

like overloading worm...

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, getting an overloading worm from mountain shrines can be a really good thing, their boss item is great

[kindred dragon]

oh what is it?

[lavish jacinth]

but if you're going for the mul-t challenge then yeah, that's not what you want lol

[lavish jacinth]

10% chance on hit to cause a lightning strike that deals 500% total damage

[kindred dragon]

(in fact i'm doing mul-t challenge to get saw, that's why i need imp overlord lol)

[lavish jacinth]

figured lol

protip, that achievement is notoriously finicky, there's a bug where it may not count if the overlord dies to the preon's tendrils, so try to fire it point-blank so only the center projectile hits

supposedly they fixed that bug ages ago but I've heard it still happens occasionally

[kindred dragon]

oh..

goodluck to me XD

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it's not hard to do

get close enough to bait out their melee attack and then get behind them

[kindred dragon]

when she's at low hp, just let she to be like literally right next to me and shoot. that is it.

[lavish jacinth]

pretty much

and try to avoid proc items that might steal the kill

[kindred dragon]

i have command active, should be no problem

jeez, mul-t with 10 glasses just deletes anything in it way lol

anyway, nice to meeting ya (we might meet in while later)

[lavish jacinth]

I usually hang around here, so probably, yeah

[kindred dragon]

wait, i'm curious

do missile have 10% chance to fire on every single hits or what?

[native prairie]

do people usually scrap rusty keys? I often dont find the chest

sorry didnt mean to reply to you specifically lol

[lavish jacinth]

depends on proc coefficient, but yeah, any damage has a chance to trigger proc items.
(If you didn't know, proc coefficient is a hidden stat that all damage sources have that acts as a multiplier for proc chances, as well as debuff durations and a few other things)

[kindred dragon]

yeah, which put me on 6% to launch missile

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

only other exception is that items can't proc themselves, or proc from other effects that chained off of that item originally. So you can't get infinite proc chains without something like to reset the chain

[lavish jacinth]

some do, but imo it's worth looking for them. The lockbox will keep spawning as long as the key is in your inventory, and it has the same drop rates as a large chest

[native prairie]

thanks, will keep this one then

is there diminishing returns to Tougher Items? wondering how many I should take

I have 5 now and found 3d printer for them

[lavish jacinth]

yep, it'd be kinda crazy if there weren't lol
7 stacks gives you ~50% block chance, that's about the max that I'd bother getting

[native prairie]

Yeah that sounds reasonable haha

[lavish jacinth]

the wiki does have a chart and calculator for it if you're interested in the exact amounts, but it's not super important https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Tougher_Times

[native prairie]

ah thanks a lot

Ok I got to the boss this time but lost to the light beams on the 3rd phase

I even had an extra life and died again when he did it a second time lol

When that happens I guess I should make sure I'm running on the ground to dodge them when he goes to center of arena?

[uneven crow]

Anyone has a rule of thumb of how many interactables you can get after killing the TP?

[stone dock]

I have come here to ask if I can fight the false son twice in one run, as I keep trying to get there but can’t get past the first seekers of the storm level

[wintry fjord]

No, but you could loop till your strong enough

[stone dock]

So I can’t fight the false son again after I killed him?

[wintry fjord]

Notp

*norp

[stone dock]

I shall purify him tomorrow

[lavish jacinth]

not really, you usually only get like 3-4 chests worth of gold from the tp fight but it varies a lot depending on what stage you're on

like, if you're on stage 10+ you can pretty much start the tp right away and get enough to buy out the whole stage afterwards, but on early stages it's better to buy as much as you can before starting the teleporter and only leave stuff that's near the tp

[lavish jacinth]

the trick with big spinny is to get close to him and run along with the lines, trying to dodge it at a distance is basically rng.
He also won't use it until he's under 75% health, and once he is, he'll always alternate between spinny and the ground shockwave attack on a 30s cooldown, so you can sorta predict when it'll happen

[patent blade]

It does make it slightly harder to do the timed chest at rallypoint delta

That's for sure

[lavish jacinth]

wat

[patent blade]

On earlier stages it's harder to fight bosses without having to buy items first, assuming you even get items that goes with synergizes with your character, thus also making it harder to power through the 2 stages before delta

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, you shouldn't be going for the rallypoint chest anyway

unless you're going for the unlock

[patent blade]

Only wanted the prion accumulation

[lavish jacinth]

but rushing the first two stages just to get a semi-decent equipment isn't worth it, especially when rallypoint isn't even guaranteed. Always better to go a little slower and full-clear

[patent blade]

Also, you know the one achievement in which you have to kill an enemy with 20 stacks of that heart debuff I forgot the name of?

[native prairie]

Thanks. What do you mean by run along with the lines? I cant actually remember what it looks like

[lavish jacinth]

like this

[patent blade]

Its for bandit alt m1 mb

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[patent blade]

How would I go about doing that? Do I wait till late game to attempt it?

[lavish jacinth]

easiest way is to get to siren's call and stab alloy worship unit a bunch

hemorrhage lasts 15s and resets with each stack like bleed, so getting to 20 stacks is pretty easy. You just need a boss that can tank that much damage, and AWU is perfect

Aurelionite works too

[native prairie]

Ah thanks. Why is it hard to do further away?

[lavish jacinth]

the closer you are, the slower the lines will be moving relative to you

at a distance they'll be so fast that you can't react to them

[native prairie]

Ah right, thank you

[cobalt quiver]

I have a shitty ass machine that only gets like ~40fps at mithrix, so I usually have more luck staying further away from him than closer cause more margin of error.
The wall moves faster but if you get used to it you can kinda gauge whether you should move left or right, and since it goes faster you can go against its direction and the window it has to hit you is much lower than if you were closer anyways

[jaunty furnace]

theres a bunch of macro strats to be done here

• consider keeping your keys so that you can turn them into multiple void keys, void items are very powerful
• be mindful of how many stages you have left, having like 3 keys on the moon is pretty wasteful because youre only gonna be able to open 1. sometimes youre just gonna get a stupid amount of keys too late into the run with no scrapper in sight, but if you have the keys earlier in the run then count how many stages you have left and open your keys accordingly
• this doesnt apply to you yet because you dont have dlc2, but if you didnt find void keys then consider keeping a key for moon so that you can use sale star on it

theres probably more i forgot or couldnt explain well

relevant video (and channel)
point of interest is 4:32 but the whole video is worth a watch too
https://youtu.be/m4UPMPmKAPI

[lyric karma]

does anyone have a tierlist or graph of the best items for mercenary

[mellow crystal]

Generally damage > cdr and skill charges > mobility > healing/damage mitigation > everything else > max hp
Merc cares a lot less about most items than other survivors because his dashes give him good mobility and survivability

is possibly the best item you can get as merc

The only thing merc struggles with when played well is single-target damage since it's the only thing his kit lacks unless you play hyperaggressively

are also very very good on him

inherits the ability to apply Expose so you effectively get double cdr with it

[safe depot]

Do cleansing pools spawn in command runs?

[mellow crystal]

No iirc

[heavy pewter]

huh..... it survived?

is this normal? thought it sucked

[jaunty furnace]

lucky

[native prairie]

Thanks for the explanation!

What's best thing to do at the start of a level when things are spawning really slowly and I can't buy anything?

[jaunty furnace]

you could look for a combat shrine and learn what interactables there are on the stage

pretty annoying part of the game,,,,, just sitting around with nothing happening

i have a 1 minute clip of me doing nothing while waiting for anything to spawn on stage 2 😭

[native prairie]

haha. Yeah I get that things are meant to ramp up but I've been in that situation too. There must be a better way of doing it.

Should I recycle the stun item on bandit? Doesn't seem that useful? maybe I;m wrong

[jaunty furnace]

he should be able to utilize it pretty well i think

but he also has a built-in stun (shift)

so it may be unnecessary

[native prairie]

Thanks

Is old guilotine good? I have chance to recycle it as boss dropped it

[jaunty furnace]

id recycle it

[native prairie]

Yeah was thinking that would be better

It doesn't seem that good to me reading the description

lol I got leeching seed instead

[jaunty furnace]

its alright if youre desperate for damage, but i would rather have a chance to get a better green instead

[indigo nova]

talking down on the og

[native prairie]

yeah seems worht the risk

does the corrupted clover change items permanently? Or does it reset every stage

[jaunty furnace]

permanently

[native prairie]

Cool. could end up really good or really bad haha

[jaunty furnace]

i dont remember the last time i picked it up

you can recycle it into an extra life though (only other void red is )

[torpid kestrel]

How is Mul-t’s ram calculated is it momentum based or is it based off your base move speed

[glacial knoll]

movespeed mult it seems

[torpid kestrel]

Damn

[native prairie]

Will keep that in mind for fturue, thanks

[glacial knoll]

loaders [heavy] is velocity tho so it is weird

[native prairie]

I lost again, think I took too much time though? I was overwhelmed on the last level, stuff just kept spawning

way more than before

[lavish jacinth]

Maybe, can you post a screenshot of your death screen?
(You'll need a role to post it, #roles )

[unreal shell]

does obliterating yourself through the False Son altar on monsoon count toward the mastery skin unlocks?

[glacial knoll]

pretty certain it counts as winning

[unreal shell]

okay it did, ty

[thick garden]

hi Im on commando and I got a void cache do I take needletick or safer space ?

Im asking cause Im not sure how collapse work

[quasi topaz]

Safer spaces, commando prefers bleed over collapse

[thick garden]

so what does collapse do ?

cause on paper it seems better

[lavish jacinth]

It deals more damage up front but it doesn't stack as well as bleed

[thick garden]

got it but what's the difference

like does it proc less often

or something

[lavish jacinth]

Collapse deals 400% base damage per stack and all the stacks go off at once

[native prairie]

I clicked a role, think it's fine now? I quit the game, can I still find it?

[thick garden]

oh so bleed stack infinitely

[lavish jacinth]

With bleed, every stack increases damage and refreshes the duration

[thick garden]

and collapse only stack for a certain time before proccing

[quasi topaz]

Go to logbook and run history

[jaunty furnace]

safer spaces is the strongest defense item
needletick is a nice alternate bleed
i would 1000% pick spaces if you dont have one already

[lavish jacinth]

Collapse can technically stack infinitely but the damage increase per stack is linear

Whereas bleeds' damage can ramp up infinitely

[glacial knoll]

each collapse does 400% damage.

You could argue each bleed does 240 for each bleed because it refreshes it

[native prairie]

ah thanks

[thick garden]

ok ok

[glacial knoll]

so like if you apply 5 bleeds it's as if the 5th bleed is gonna do 1200% damage

[thick garden]

thanks for the clarifications

[glacial knoll]

Needletick is really damn good tho

Preferable on survivors with lower proc coeffs or less frequent hits

[thick garden]

Im on commando lol

I understand now no need for graphs

[lavish jacinth]

Collapse shines on survivors that get a lot of procs but don't follow up on them consistently, like acrid

[thick garden]

I just didn't knew what collapse actually did

[native prairie]

this is it

Hour seems way too long right lol

[glacial knoll]

not really

[lavish jacinth]

A bit, yeah

Well, depends

How many items did you have?

[native prairie]

On stages 4 and 5 I always end up taking a lot of time trying to find everything

[harsh ingot]

guys i can't manage to win a hard run in ror2 with any char man, i feel like im cheecks

i get to stage 3 or 4 and die

[native prairie]

Around 50 on there

[lavish jacinth]

Your items are actually pretty solid here, so unfortunately this may just be a skill issue lol

Or maybe that's fortunate, it means time wasn't the issue ig

Ideally you wanna have at least one item per minute, but there's some wiggle room with that

[native prairie]

Yeah I don't think I was weak, was just surprised how many things there were

Every other time there hasn't been that mmany enemies on the last level

[lavish jacinth]

You'll get there, just try to learn from every death and do better next time

[native prairie]

I've been playing Bandit almost entire time, is there another good and easy character to play?

[harsh ingot]

yeah thanks

[lavish jacinth]

Ik that doesn't help much, but dying over and over is part of the roguelike experience, lol

[lavish jacinth]

I assume you at least have railgunner, mul-t and engineer, they're all pretty decent (although I recommend getting engie's alt secondary and utility asap)

[native prairie]

Thanks, will give those a try soon

Actually I tried railgunner but hated using the utility haha

[lavish jacinth]

It takes some practice yeah

Loader's another really strong character you could try, but she's got a lot more of a learning curve

[glacial knoll]

it does look like a low amount of items for almost an hour

tho some 4 stacks so maybe average

[jaunty furnace]

my runs are like 70-90 minutes

as ive said before, becoming stronger is more important than the clock

[lavish jacinth]

It's a shame the items collected stat is barely helpful lol

[jaunty furnace]

scaling isnt even linear, proceeding to the next stage affects scaling more than staying still a couple minutes

ill link a section of a video hold on

https://youtu.be/aJWfwbG93Z8?t=1975

[smoky karma]

yeah basically forget time exists and focus on full looting

[lavish jacinth]

You should still try to be efficient, just don't leave items behind for the sake of going faster

[thick garden]

I finally got to mithrix and he one-shotted me is that normal or did I just lacked defensive items ?

[lavish jacinth]

That's normal, he hits like a truck

His attacks are pretty predictable though

[thick garden]

he teleported and attacked kinda quickly

it was surprising compared to the usual bosses

any tips ?

[frosty reef]

Yeah most tp bosses are barely "boss" worthy enemies

[lavish jacinth]

#ror2-game-questions message

[thick garden]

thanks

damn it seems like it will take a lot of tries

[lavish jacinth]

Maybe, maybe not

I think its possible to learn the fight pretty quickly, and you can always just hang out on the ramps and poke him to death until you're confident in fighting him directly

[thick garden]

yeah

kinda feels like cheating tho

but ig there is no point in doing 30 tries to beat him once

[lavish jacinth]

If the devs didn't want you to cheese him then they shouldn't have made him so stupid

[frosty reef]

Best way to get better at the game is to learn from every death, there will always be something you can do to avoid it. 30 failed tries are nothing but 30 lessons learned

[thick garden]

x)

[lavish jacinth]

But seriously, you SHOULD take advantage of the ramps, especially if you don't have good mobility. Even if you don't cheese the whole fight with them, it's really useful to have a safe spot to heal or avoid his attacks

[native prairie]

Do the interactbles where you get a choice between items not always shut when you pick one? just happaned to me

[lavish jacinth]

Do you have ?

[jaunty furnace]

[native prairie]

oh that's what it is haha

thank, thought it was a random chance or something

[thick garden]

alright I will try this next time

[onyx furnace]

when you learn what his attacks are it gets easy to fight him up close, but that takes practice

[thick garden]

yeah

[native prairie]

Finally got a win

[lavish jacinth]

nice!

[native prairie]

my build also allowed me to just run around and do damage so that helped

I had like 5 of that item that gives you armor when you sprint too

[uneven sinew]

Me and my friends keep losing runs in multiplayer because the lobby crashes, it's not that the host's connection dies, but after a while we all get disconnected from each other, is there something we can do to prevent this?

[lavish jacinth]

assuming you're all on steam, have everyone turn off crossplay

[uneven sinew]

Yeah we're all on steam

[lavish jacinth]

crossplay is completely useless and extremely glitchy, and losing connection after like 30-40 minutes is one of the most common problems with it

[uneven sinew]

Oh got it

It's just epic and steam crossplay right?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[uneven sinew]

Ok ty

[bitter juniper]

can someone tell me how to get loaders skin for beating the game/ defeating the moonsoon

i just rolled creds, maybe i need to do it on a higher difficulty??

[lavish jacinth]

you just have to win on monsoon difficulty

doesn't matter which ending you get

[bitter juniper]

oh and i didnt get how i get mercenary

[lavish jacinth]

just loop and make it to stage 8, there's a celestial portal that appears on the 3rd map of every loop

go through it and it'll be pretty self-explanatory from there

[bitter juniper]

alright, to loop i just need to go to the artifact thing right? is there another easier way to loop(i mean that one is pretty easyu)

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, all you have to do is interact with the prong things around the edge of the teleporter before activating it to change the destination

or you can leave through any other portal besides the main teleporter

just remember to do it BEFORE activating it, it's locked in once it starts charging

[bitter juniper]

i am actually so confused

what do the prong thingies do??

im really sorry for bothering

[lavish jacinth]

it's fine, it's what the channel is for lol

they change where the teleporter takes you

[bitter juniper]

ohh

[lavish jacinth]

by default you'll go to the moon and fight mithrix

but if you realign them, they'll make you loop instead

there'll be a message in chat telling you where they're aligned

[bitter juniper]

oh sick

so just loop and i get mercenary?

[lavish jacinth]

yep, and take the celestial portal that appears on stage 8

[bitter juniper]

yeah that too, is there anything i should know that will be challenging in stage 8, idfk what stage 7 even is so im kinda worried

[lavish jacinth]

new types of elites and a handful of lategame enemies, most notably scavengers

[bitter juniper]

well loader can deal with anything... right?

[lavish jacinth]

just watch out for the spike traps that malachite elites drop, be careful about blindly punching through crowds when they're around

[bitter juniper]

maybe i can try punching upwards or with an angle upwards to avoid them or something

[lavish jacinth]

and it's good to check what scavengers are carrying before you decide to fight them, they spawn with a random assortment of items which are displayed on their body

they're not super dangerous most of the time, but you can get screwed over if they get something like

and they can throw orange blobs that proc on-kill effects, so are pretty dangerous

Thankfully they can't get

...at least, not anymore

[patent blade]

Wait what the fuck

I didnt know you could change the portal destination LMAO

Thanks Mr fax machine 👍🏾

[bitter juniper]

what is a primordial dagger....

[patent blade]

Legendary item I think

[bitter juniper]

ive always known you can interact with those things i just never touched them idk whyu

[patent blade]

On enemy kill it spawns homing daggers

[bitter juniper]

oh no

[peak holly]

Can still get though

[lavish jacinth]

scavs were able to get them when they were first added, and it was basically instant death

scavengers are also the reason why has a short delay before it fires lol

[patent blade]

What the fuh is that?

[peak holly]

Healing 10% of your max health fires off homing skulls to nearby enemies

If a scav hits you with it you fall over

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, but it's not as bad at least, you just have to remember to keep your distance if they have a way to heal

[patent blade]

Mired urn scavs when?

[lavish jacinth]

I think red items are always positioned somewhere on their gun, so it's pretty easy to tell what they have. And equipment is always over their left shoulder

[peak holly]

Most of the worst items are blacklisted

Like and

too I think

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[patent blade]

Do they have the ability to stack items?

[lavish jacinth]

can be pretty nasty though

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, they always get a few stacks of each item at a time

except reds

[patent blade]

Yikes tri tip scavs

[peak holly]

They stack them through getting the same red twice

But that’s rare

And it usually doesn’t make a big difference since reds don’t stack great in general

[lavish jacinth]

I think they get 5 stacks at a time for white items, 2 or greens, and 1 for reds, same as void fields

[peak holly]

3 for greens I believe

[lavish jacinth]

on the bright side, they have the second-lowest base damage in the the game next to lesser wisps, and their AI is less aggressive than normal monsters