ror2-game-questions

[lavish jacinth]

If you didn't know, you can detonate them faster by throwing both at the same time since only one mine can exist at a time, just be careful where you throw the second one so you don't launch enemies towards yourself. You can also use the recoil from her primary to prevent or reduce fall damage

And keep an eye out for drones and AoE items so they can draw aggro and take out groups of enemies

You could use tonic to get a few afflictions stacked up

It would be miserable but it would definitely be harder lol

Ultimate masochism mode would be taking all four heresy items and then dumping them all into a cleansing pool (assuming you aren't using command)

[crisp timber]

there's a mod that lets you impose eclipse modifiers on yourself

alternatively, just play like, full support acrid

[lavish jacinth]

I feel like support acrid would be the opposite of difficult, you're basically just a spectator and occasionally spit on things

Dumber alternative, engineer with

[crisp timber]

yeah i guess it's less a difficult thing and more a "let the other players enjoy their game" thing

play scopeless railgunner

[drowsy bramble]

Only default no alt ability unlock

[lavish jacinth]

Her default skills are all good

Really the only bad skill she has is the alt mines

[cinder pasture]

is there any item that can reduce the cooldown of bands?

[lavish jacinth]

You can't directly lower it, but can reset their cooldown

So you can sorta reduce the cooldown with

[glossy panther]

How do people usually do the hemorrhage challenge?

[fallen bridge]

purity & fighting auri/alloy worship unit makes it fairly easy

[cinder pasture]

what effects the bar size on railgunner?

[fallen bridge]

attack speed

[cinder pasture]

is there a limit?

[fallen bridge]

i do not think so? but you should really not be stacking attack speed on railgunner to the point where that is an important question

[cinder pasture]

im bored and i have a lot of atgs, icbms, and scopes

i got to the point where i fire fast enough to propel my self with railgunner

[next snow]

What survivor has got like really good defensive capabilities so I feel like a tank

[fallen bridge]

powermode mul-t comes to mind

[next snow]

What is powermode?

[fallen bridge]

mul-t alternate special, instead of switching weapons it halves incoming dmg & equips both weapons at once, at the cost of mvmt speed & the ability to sprint

tl;dr slow yourself down greatly for a dps & armor boost

[next snow]

Alright, I just gotta unlock it

that sounds really good, thank you
also what items should I aim for, repulsion armor plates perhaps?

[fallen bridge]

for unlocking it or for using it?

[next snow]

using it

[fallen bridge]

powermode builds pretty similarly to retool, it is just very dependent on the weapons you have selected

saw & nailgun like base dmg procs, rebar likes bands/crowbars, scrap is kinda in-between

[next snow]

scrap is an abiilitiy right

[trim lynx]

scrap launcher ya

[fallen bridge]

yah, it is the little rockets

[next snow]

So going for saw and nailgun is my best bet

[fallen bridge]

scrap launcher my beloved 🩷

[fallen bridge]

double nailgun is a pretty common strategy & is arguably the best - it has extremely high dps & has the advantage of nailboosting to make up for the lack of mvmt speed in powermode

[next snow]

oh okay okay

[trim lynx]

mul-t is fun to experiment with, so id recommend trialing different loadouts :)

[fallen bridge]

as for saw & nailgun, your alternate weapon in powermode inherits the spread of the first, so if you run saw as your primary & nail as your secondary, the nail will shoot w/ perfect accuracy

[shadow girder]

any help with railgunner shoot 3 airbones? i run around with cube and try many times even remove mods only vanilla still not work

[fallen bridge]

mul-t is one of the few survivors in which all abilities are very well balanced so you can kinda do whatever, but some combos are especially strong

[next snow]

Would a scrap launcher be very accurate too?

[fallen bridge]

scrap launcher has fairly little spread regardless but yah its accuracy would technically be improved

[next snow]

Alright, so you're saying anything will work but i just have the options to be stronger

that's great

[fallen bridge]

yah

[trim lynx]

the first primary will be the one you are using while not in power mode keep in mind

[fallen bridge]

dual nailgun/powermode & dual rebar/retool are overall the strongest but there are quite some other effective combos

[trim lynx]

ive heard good things about powermode nailgun + scrap launcher

idk, just experiment ig ! :D

[next snow]

So secondary goes in powermode

[trim lynx]

ya

powermode lets you use both at once, but replaces retool

[fallen bridge]

i do not think this would be the case but you are sure the enemies are not dying to stray procs/aoe effects?

[shadow girder]

nah im just pick 2 crowbar...

[next snow]

Ohhh, got it, thank you

[shadow girder]

i stack for almost 10 monster in there but cannot get achiviement

[next snow]

I appreciate your help guys

[trim lynx]

btw, you are meant to be airborne, not the enemies

incase you misinterpreted :P

[shadow girder]

airbone myself

damn that why

i read like seeker i thought shoot 3 airbone monster

[next snow]

Why wont the hermit crabs spawn!!

[steady stone]

They don't spawn on stage 1.

You'd need to loop to stage 6 Titanic to get them in the spawn pool

[next snow]

ohhhh okay

ughh and i thought i got lucky

[steady stone]

Try to go to the Bazaar on stage 5 to be able to pick Titanic, for less luck

[next snow]

Thank you, that will help

[glacial knoll]

They would spawn on a stage 2 in a prismatic trial just no on a stage 1

not sure if this screenshot just has kinda random artifacts on or is a trial

[steep basin]

Its the trial

[marble magnet]

Is captains primary worth charging?

[quasi topaz]

Yes on things that are a decent distance away, otherwise spam it

[marble magnet]

Oki

[analog brook]

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[keen crow]

how exactly do i get a yellow portal to spawn to fight Aurelionite? i have activated the green portal multiple times but have not gotten a yellow one yet :)

[quasi topaz]

Activate a gold altar in one of the stages or find guilded coast in one of the lunar seers in the bazaar

[keen crow]

is that all rng based? cuz im pretty sure i have been doing that and not gotten one yet

[quasi topaz]

Its rng for a gold altar to show up and rng for guilded coast to be on option in the bazaar but if you have it its garunteed

The lunar seer option is a lot more common than the altar of gold

[keen crow]

oke ill just keep trying then :)

[supple yoke]

Is it true that pred instinct caps at 3?

[hoary sedge]

I don't think so, the buff you get from pred caps at 3 if you only have one stack of the item

every stack of the item lets you stack the buff more but there's diminishing returns, so it doesn't cap at 3 but your 3rd one is likely gonna be less impactful

[slim spoke]

3, and +2 per extra stack

linear increase per stack iirc

[tender temple]

you rarely ever need more than 1

which works for a lot of items really

[full apex]

Duration affected by proc coeff and doesn't reset either so it is possible to hit a 'terminal stacks' where the oldest decays before applying a new one.

[frosty hemlock]

where can I see the prismatic leaderboard besides ingame

[high forum]

that's it

[frosty hemlock]

damn I wanted to see higher rankings 😔

[west ermine]

is burn and ignite the same?

[steady stone]

ignite like the attack classification? basically, just means it applies burn

[west ermine]

ah right ok, so burn is the effect, and ignite is what causes it?

[steady stone]

it's moreso a trait, like how "Agile." means you can sprint with the attack

you should be able to hover over the trait in the select screen to see what it does, but that might be a mod thing
worse case it's on the wiki.gg for the character

a good way to keep conciseness in descriptions

[glossy panther]

Is 50~70 minutes to reach mythrix too slow?

[quasi topaz]

If you're starting the fight at 65+ minutes you might want to speed up your looting and pathing on the stages

Otherwise its a fine range

I usually try to at least get on the moon by 45-50 minutes

[daring cloak]

Time rally doesnt matter that much as long as youre getting a lot of items

[glossy panther]

Mythrix feels like such a wall
It's not entirely about his moves, as those are relatively easy to learn and dodge
It's his immense stats that makes me feel like I'm doing smth wrong
In stage 5, I can melt solus control unit with my bandit, delete xi constructs with my raulgunner, and obliterate grandparent with my engi
But once I reach commencement, I can only tickle mythrix, occasionally slicing a chunk of his health bar
When the fight takes really long, I slip up make mistakes, and for how much dmg he deals, one or two mistakes is usually fatal

[daring cloak]

That is because of something called adaptive armor

Final bosses such as mithrix, false son or voidling have adaptive armor which basically boils down to them taking less damage the more damage you deal in a short amount of time

To prevent them from getting melted like other enemies

[glossy panther]

So are the fights just naturally long on normal runs?

[daring cloak]

Yeah

[glossy panther]

The wiki states the adaptive armor caps at 400
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's a 80% dmg reduction right

[daring cloak]

Yeah

[quasi topaz]

Ive had 5 minute mithrix fights and ive had 30 minute mithrix fights. It depends on the quality of your items and what character you're playing in conjunction with those items. 20 energy drinks and 10 gasoline are great pre mithrix but phase 1 of him will take ages if you have nothing for single target

[steady stone]

generally try to get more items than minutes elapsed by the time you get there

[glossy panther]

Yeah 1 minute per item rule or smth

I usually end up with 10~20 more items than minutes

[steady stone]

that's pretty good then, the problem might just be management then

[glossy panther]

It's hard to find a scrapper tho
So often times there are a lot of junks I don't know what to do with

[steady stone]

it's always good to scrap preemptively, since cauldrons will always exist on the moon

even if there's currently nothing good to print

[hoary sedge]

if you have extra scrap you don't know what to do with going to the bazaar whenever you can is a good idea too

[steady stone]

yeah, cauldrons are why preferably you should stack 3 white or 5 green scrap at a time

better to lose a decent item than your best one, if you decide to print

[glossy panther]

Is there a way too find scrappers more easily?

Me carrying 4 bison steaks amd 2 leaching seeds would like a place to spend them

[quasi topaz]

Just recognize them and make sure to remember where they are on the stage

[frosty reef]

Don't even bother with that tbh. Get every single item and you'll naturally be able to do so at a more time efficient pace with experience. Any time restriction rule is only going to be a negative to someones gameplay

People only started saying 1 item per minute because the 5 minute rule was even more stupid, but both are far from something that should be going on in your mind

[ionic river]

https://medal.tv/games/ror-2/clips/kKcpJNbVKnE51SoMx?invite=cr-MSxHS2wsMTY1NjA0ODYx

watafak killed me here 😭

[steady stone]

Mithrix activated pizza, went invisible because gearbox jank looks like

you can see it just disappear during the spin

[ionic river]

bruhhh that's annoying

[lavish jacinth]

probably multiplayer desync

[ionic river]

ty for the help

[glacial knoll]

gearbox effect recycler at it's worst yet again

[dull monolith]

The invisible pizza is fucking diabolical

Thankfully, I've bever experienced that bug

yet

[frosty reef]

Vfix mod by goorakh addresses that I believe

[supple yoke]

is gesture of the drowned dlc?

[glacial knoll]

no

[steady stone]

it just has an unlock requirement, and an infamous one for being tedious

The Demons and the Crabs, for running 20 hermit crabs off the edge of the map and killing them that way

Done most easily on stage 6 Titanic plains

[quasi topaz]

& Defense items

[tawny raft]

did I have music before and didn't notice, or did I do something that now I hear 🔔 ringing every stage entry and every difficulty change?
or is it new? cause I swear I didn't hear this a week ago

[mellow crystal]

Are you looping

Oh wait

It might just be the difficulty increase sound yeah

I wouldn't describe it as a bell tho

[tawny raft]

it happens even in the first loop

[tawny raft]

it literally sounds like a church bell ringing, twice

[brazen pendant]

um help am i softlocked, theres a lunar wisp in the pillar i cant hit it...

[lavish jacinth]

yeah you might be, unless behemoth's aoe is big enough to hit it through the wall

it's weird that that happened though, that bug was supposedly fixed

[glacial knoll]

the latest game update fixed this

[brazen pendant]

oh yeah i havent updated to 1.3.9

[tawny raft]

this happens every time I enter a map as well as every time the difficulty changes
I just watched a random guy on twitch from 24 days ago and he didn't have this.
It's driving me crazy 😐

[fallen bridge]

yah that is enabled by default, i think you can disable it in settings?

[glacial knoll]

part of umbrella settings turn it off

[tawny raft]

omg ty

[next snow]

What would be the best ways to get MUL-T abiliites

[fallen bridge]

for "pest control", turning on artifact of swarms & resetting until you get beetle queen should be easy
"gotcha" is a little trickier since procs will ruin the unlock ... using command to get the preon & stacking dmg multipliers makes it reasonably easy
"7th day" is probably the hardest since vields can get dicey later into runs, but standard vields tips apply

[lavish jacinth]

the Gotcha one is notoriously finicky, there's a bug where it may not count if the overlord dies to the preon's tendrils rather than the main projectile. Best way to do it is to fire at point blank so only the center projectile hits

[fallen bridge]

i thought they fixed that ages ago, no?

[next snow]

What the standard vields?

tips

DMG multipliers, like focus crystal?

[fallen bridge]

generally just make sure you have enough mvmt speed to run from cell to cell, & enough healing to get back to full hp after travelling through the fog

aoe is also pretty important since there are no "bosses", it is just a lot of smaller enemies

[next snow]

Should they be from aoe items? Sorry... I dont undertand

[lavish jacinth]

it used to be worse, they partly fixed it but it still happens sometimes

[lavish jacinth]

Mul-t doesn't have a ton of aoe options so items are how you'd get it, yeah

just to be clear, have you actually done void fields before?

[next snow]

I did, once, to get acrid

What aoe items are good?

or what are aoe items...

[lavish jacinth]

anything that can hit multiple enemies in a large radius, basically. Short for Area of Effect

[next snow]

Ohhh, okayy

[lavish jacinth]

can also be handy in vields, if you're getting swarmed you can step out into the fog for a bit and it'll proc and damage everything around you. works too

[next snow]

I'll try it tommorow, appreciate it much

[lavish jacinth]

good luck

you'll need it, void fields can be bullshit sometimes lmao

[next snow]

Would it be a good idea to go into drizzle and just kind of get what i need and void fields?

like quickly

or does it n ot unlock then

[hoary sedge]

you can do the unlock on drizzle yeah

the only things you can't unlock on drizzle are purity and the mastery skins

[next snow]

ooo okay shouild be easier

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

you need to do it on stage 7 or higher for the unlock so you'll have plenty of time to collect items

[next snow]

Thank you for the help, I wonder if imp overlord will spawn easier too

[unreal needle]

whats the difference between the yellow dlc content logo and the normal one? does it mean only having the dlc(s) content?

[fallen bridge]

no, it is just a feature of multiplayer's rule voting system, it has no effect on singleplayer

[unreal needle]

then why is it in the singleplayer interface?

[lavish jacinth]

it's just leftover from when they made the feature for multiplayer, it doesn't hurt anything by being there

[sacred oar]

hi, does Lost seer's lenses count to final damage after finishing a run?

[fallen bridge]

nop

[lavish jacinth]

the hit that procced it might, I'm not sure

[fallen bridge]

the dmg numbers that appear are not "real", they are just extra vfx stuff & does not actually count as dmg

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, they're just cosmetic. I think all it really does is set the target's health to 0 like tricorn

[sacred oar]

what about the actual enemy's hp? I mean if enemy has 1 mln hp, and i one-shot them with lenses, does this 1 mln damage count or not?

[fallen bridge]

^

[lavish jacinth]

afaik it just bypasses normal damage calculations entirely so I'm almost certain it doesn't, but I can check rq

[fallen bridge]

yah i just checked, it literally just sets hp to 0

[lavish jacinth]

huh, apparently it does

it doesn't count for the 1mil damage achievement for railgunner if that's why you're asking, though

....probably

I was about to say that there are no enemies that can have 1mil hp normally except for final bosses and newt, but final bosses are immune and apparently newt doesn't scale

but I think some boss monsters might have enough if they're a t2 elite at lv99

yeah nah

[inner meteor]

yo uhm just to be sure, risk of rain 2 is P2P right?

[fallen bridge]

yah

[honest otter]

I really wanna get the False son but I’m not sure how, I’m a new player

[lavish jacinth]

getting him is kind of a process

[mellow crystal]

It's enough of a process that I'm considering writing out a mini-guide rn and just saving it for future copypasting

[inner meteor]

k thx, ig we'll just try to figure out why my friend got immense delay all if a sudden

[lavish jacinth]

before you do it I'd suggest at least getting familiar with the actual false son boss fight, since you'll need to beat a harder version of it in order to unlock the character

but to get it, you first need to get a halcyon seed from gilded coast, which is a secret area you can access by activating a gold shrine (which are pretty rare) and taking the gold portal that it spawns, or have it show up in the lunar seers in the bazaar.
I'd recommend the latter method, it's about a 10% chance for it to show up each time you visit the bazaar, which is overall a little more common than getting a gold shrine.

Then you just follow the path of the colossus (green portals) and beat False Son

[mellow crystal]

To unlock false son you need to beat the false son boss with the halcyon seed item
In order to get the halcyon seed you need to to Gilded Coast, which can be accessed through a gold portal, and you can get a gold portal in three ways:

1. Find a Gold Shrine, a rare interactable that can be found on any stage; looks like a chance shrine but made of gold. Once you do, interact with it, and the teleporter event will spawn a gold portal once you complete it.
2. At the Bazaar Between Time, go to the seers where you can choose the next stage. There's a chance Gilded Coast will replace one of the seers; it looks like a dark green sky with a large gold ring.
3. If you're on the path of the colossus (green portal path leading to false son) and find a halcyon shrine, completing the shrine will spawn a gold portal.

From there, just follow potc until you reach False Son.
Also, if Gilded Coast spawns a green portal, take it.

[lavish jacinth]

There are a few ways to get to path of the colossus, gilded coast can take you there directly if you're on a valid stage, but you can also get there via halcyon shrines or by breaking 3 gold geodes hidden in the bazaar.
The gold geodes are the most reliable method, but they won't spawn if you've already used a green portal on that run, so it's best to avoid them until you get a halcyon seed

[honest otter]

That makes sense, thank you both, I’ll take some time to properly learn the boss fight and get a bit better at a specific character, though I don’t know what that character would be

[mellow crystal]

If you want a character than can consistently clear false son regardless of items I'd recommend loader, huntress, or captain with diablo strike

Lemme go fetch my itemless fs tierlist actually

Here we are

[lavish jacinth]

Seeker would also be pretty easy

[mellow crystal]

This is mostly based on phase 1 fs since that's generally the hardest one

[honest otter]

I play void fiend mostly so that’d be good yeah?

[mellow crystal]

Yup
For phase 1 try to stay uncorrupted unless you have mobility items or chronobauble
His uncorrupted m1 applies slow which allows you to easily cheese his dash + slam, plus suppress which is free heals if you do get hit

[honest otter]

Oh right, I didn’t know any of that, thank you, I’m sorry to randomly change the topic, but what items would be good on acrid? I don’t fully understand how he works but I enjoy playing him

[mellow crystal]

Acrid mostly wants direct damage multipliers since they affect his poison

[lavish jacinth]

etc

[cobalt quiver]

movement and a bit of defense items? you can just run around and poison everything

[honest otter]

So focus more on like base damage? More than critting?

[lavish jacinth]

AoE items or DoT like etc are also good to finish off enemies weakened by poison, drones also help with that

crits and proc effects are always good, but with Acrid it depends on how aggressive you're being

if all you're doing is running around waiting for poison to kill things, then crit and stuff isn't as valuable, since poison can't proc or crit

[fallen bridge]

yah that is the general idea, but a small (pedantic) correction - acrid benefits much more from dmg multipliers like watch, apr, etc than items that directly affect base dmg like chronic expansion, etc

the difference between the two matters very little, but poison is one of the few instances in which it does

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's kind of a weird thing with ror2's damage, and it has to do with whether the multiplier gets applied at the start or end of the damage calculation

[honest otter]

I feel like my brain is slowly shutting down with all the new information haha

[lavish jacinth]

this game can be like that lol

[mellow crystal]

Basically some items affect your base damage stat instead of multiplying the damage dealt

[lavish jacinth]

honestly dw about it too much, it's only important if you like getting really deep into all the nerd shit. If you just wanna play casually you can do just fine without knowing the exact details of everything

[honest otter]

I’ve gotten to mithrix a few times but obviously not being great at grabbing everything, I’m normally underprepared for it, I try to go by the item a minute rule I’ve heard about but I’m not sure

[lavish jacinth]

you're probably doing alright then, the important thing is to full-loot stages and not rush

[vagrant gazelle]

Trust me, just full loot every stage

[mellow crystal]

The item a minute rule is more a guideline than anything
The general idea is full loot efficiently, rather than get x items in y amount of time

[vagrant gazelle]

It’s much more important to get stronger than rush and be weaker because of it

[lavish jacinth]

basically you just wanna be efficient, make sure you're always spending time on things that'll make you stronger. So that includes stuff like messing with printers and scrappers or searching for specific equipment or whatever

[honest otter]

I’ve got a friend with a few hundred hours in the game that has been teaching me things here and there, he’s an engineer main, so it feels like instead of learning, there’s 3 of him gunning everything down by time I’m in the area

[fallen bridge]

tell him to play captain

[lavish jacinth]

well at least he's not telling you to only do 5 minutes per stage lol

[vagrant gazelle]

Genuinely might be the most harmful ‘top tip’ in roguelite history😭😭

[honest otter]

He told me to take as long as I wanted to learn stages, I think we were at around 2 hours in when we decided to obliterate

But I was basically being hard carried

[fallen bridge]

yah that is good, learning stages saves a lot of time looting

[lavish jacinth]

not bad advice tbh, learning stage layouts is important

[vagrant gazelle]

As long as you do some solo play too then being carried every now and again should be fine. It’ll help you learn better too if you have someone experienced with you

And make an effort to learn what items are good for specific survivors, it’s super important to help you get good runs

[honest otter]

I mostly play solo for the most part, I do say half-dozen runs a day and maybe one in multiplayer if I’m lucky

[honest otter]

That’s what I’m working on now I’d say, I want to get good at one specific character before I’m good at everyone

[vagrant gazelle]

Yeah, that’s what most people tend to find works well for them

Just try them all out and see who you like and who you don’t

Having fun is more important than not playing certain characters because they’re “bad”

[honest otter]

I’ve heard chef is awful but I absolutely love him, he’s just a cool dude

[sly panther]

Chef is great

[fallen bridge]

pre-patch chef was terrible, the updated one is great

[vagrant gazelle]

He was bad before the changes, but he’s great now

Super fun too

[sly panther]

Yea alt ability Chef might be in contention for my favorite character

[vagrant gazelle]

There isn’t really any genuinely bad survivors in the game right now, other than maybe Rex on eclipse 8 specifically

Although pre update chef was pretty awful😭

[honest otter]

What are chefs alt abilities? Are any especially worth getting?

[vagrant gazelle]

His m2 is super strong, freeze is one of the strongest debuffs

[sly panther]

Theyre all better and more fun imo

[vagrant gazelle]

His alt special is great too, far better than oil spill imo

[next snow]

Does the overlord imp must be teleporter boss?

for MUL-T

[lavish jacinth]

no

[fallen bridge]

they are honestly some of the best-balanced alts

[vagrant gazelle]

Yeah definitely, chef is just super fun to play now and holds up very well compared to the rest of the survivors

[sly panther]

Rex and Mando are the only one I feel noticeably weaker on, probly mostly a playstyle thing

[hoary sedge]

crazy how they made some of the best and the worst balanced alts in the game in the same patch

[vagrant gazelle]

Yeah I agree, those 2 are probably the weakest

[lavish jacinth]

technically there are bad survivors in the game, they just aren't playable

this abysmal creature still exists

[fallen bridge]

i really think all sots survivors have very well-balanced alts, like yah palm blast is not as good as meditate but it is still a great ability

[hoary sedge]

palm blast isn't a bad ability, I more am talking about how absurd they made meditate lmao

and also laser burst is kinda just better than lotf now

like similar thing, lotf isn't a bad ability but it just has no niche that makes it worth using over burst

[next snow]

Can I somehow force overlord imp to spawn

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[next snow]

ughhh

[vagrant gazelle]

Unless you use mods, no

[sly panther]

There are stages its more likely to appear on, use the newt altars to get those stages

[lavish jacinth]

specifically rallypoint, scorched acres and abyssal depths

I don't think it appears anywhere else without dissonance

oh no, some of the sots stages have it

[dreamy token]

can i ask what this thing is, my friend that has over 100 hours (i know that isnt alot relative to others) in the game doesnt know either

[lavish jacinth]

Dieback, Helminth, and Viscous falls

[next snow]

I'll try to, im so tired its 2 am i just want it doneee

[lavish jacinth]

it's a geode, there are 2 more hidden in the bazaar somewhere and breaking them spawns a green portal

[vagrant gazelle]

If you break them it makes a portal to the path of the colossus(false son)

[hoary sedge]

also they only appear if you haven't used a green portal yet that run

[lavish jacinth]

*(2 more assuming that was the only one you broke, there are 3 total)

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, and if you're on a valid stage for one

[hoary sedge]

or stage 5 for some reason

they should probably fix that

[lavish jacinth]

I don't really mind it tbh, it always takes you to prime meridian right?

[hoary sedge]

think so yeah

it's not a huge deal but it is kinda funny that you can just skip the colossus path entirely bc outside of that the game really really wants you to go to at least 1 colossus stage before fs

[next snow]

is there a way to see how much hermit crabs i made to jump off?

[lavish jacinth]

I think it's tracked in the challenges section in the logobok

[next snow]

o yeah, got it thanks

[next snow]

its been 18 stages, im obliterating myself

like an angel it spawned randomly

[cinder pasture]

i gave a used tricorn to a equpment drone how do i get it to stop

[mellow crystal]

Kill

[cinder pasture]

how do i kill it

[orchid lantern]

Wait is scavenger like a rare enemy

[lavish jacinth]

they only spawn post-loop

[mellow crystal]

It only appears on loops

[lavish jacinth]

or rarely on pre-loop sundered grove for some reason

[orchid lantern]

God fucking dammit

[mellow crystal]

You don't
Just have to let other enemies kill it 😭

[orchid lantern]

I rarely play this doggy

[cinder pasture]

i need the kill allies artifact

[lavish jacinth]

it's mostly the kill yourself artifact

[cinder pasture]

i play captain enough to know how to kill my self without that

[orchid lantern]

Uhh chat

I angry the big newt and he won’t let me buy anything

[fallen bridge]

yah he will do that

[orchid lantern]

Should I be worried

[fallen bridge]

do not make him angry

[orchid lantern]

Didn’t know I was doing that much dmg😔

[fallen bridge]

it does nothing but blocks you from the shop until you return, pretty inconsequential

[orchid lantern]

Bruh

[glacial knoll]

sots added skins yes

[tawny raft]

I see, ty

[tawny raft]

is there a random crit chance on hits even without any crit items? 🤔
I'm trying the prismatic trials, and very rarely same number of hits do more damage

[glacial knoll]

all survivors have a 1% innate crit chance

[tawny raft]

gotcha

[cinder pasture]

A WAKE OF VULTURES AND TESLA COIL FROM ONE HALYCHRON SEED. it is possible to get red items from those things after killing the aurelonite

[cinder pasture]

how good is on merc

[elfin zodiac]

very low but should be possible

[fallen bridge]

it is almost universally good; the only exception is false son ... on merc specifically it is even better than most because of his iframes

[cinder pasture]

is it good or bad for the engineer turrets. i feel like it could be good but idk

i gave the equipment drone the flying equipment

[fallen bridge]

that moreso depends on how good you are at placing turrets in strategic locations, but if you are good at that then it is worth it

[cinder pasture]

also i konw how works can i make it better it just seems like sometimes i just cant get shield fast enough

[fallen bridge]

but the survival advantage for engineer himself is also extremely strong

[fallen bridge]

the only way to "make it better" is to get hit less

... or stack like 50 & become immortal

[cinder pasture]

how does that work?

[fallen bridge]

how does what work

[cinder pasture]

immortal at 50

[fallen bridge]

it is just an arbitrary number as a surrogate for "high stacks", since has literally 0 downside to stacking it you can gain absurd amounts of shield at 0 cost (other than the lunar coins, of course ... )

[cinder pasture]

probably my craziest run

[fallen bridge]

you would have ~14x hp at 50 stacks of transcendence ...

[cinder pasture]

was taking tentabobble a mistake. there was a chronoboble printer right beside it

[fallen bridge]

chrono is better than tenta at 1 stack but beyond that tenta is better

[cinder pasture]

war bond good?

[fallen bridge]

yah

you also have a few dmg multipliers which makes it even better

[cinder pasture]

so transcendence removes the need for healing. is there a point to getting healing item on merc when transcendence is guaranteed

[fallen bridge]

nop

[cinder pasture]

is there any reason to take normal health over transcendence on merc? like a style of build or anything?

[fallen bridge]

by "normal health" do you mean hp items or healing items

[cinder pasture]

both, green or red health. like is there a reason to build around more health and less shield

or is there an instance on merc where is worse

[fallen bridge]

not really, unless you really wanted to do a n'kuhana build w/ %-healing items but that is pretty much exclusively command territory

[cinder pasture]

it just seems kinda OP

[fallen bridge]

in like 99% of cases transcendence is a straight upgrade

[fallen bridge]

lunars are not known for their balance

[cinder pasture]

they are literally known for their balance

like 90% of lunar items come at a cost. some are really damn bad

[fallen bridge]

a majority of lunars can be extremely strong if you build around them

[cinder pasture]

how do you buiold around purity?

well i guess that just depends on the character

[fallen bridge]

purity is very good on really cooldown-based survivors, & since you will probably want to scrap all proc items after picking it up there really is not a downside to taking several & having no cooldowns

[cinder pasture]

yeah honestly now that i look at them since being a newer player. they arent that bad. the only one that seems bad is like egocentrism, stoneflux and mercurial

[fallen bridge]

mercurial is quite strong but needs to be played around, both flux pauldrons have a niche but pretty bad otherwise, & ego is ... well, ego

[cinder pasture]

i bet if you get lucky ego can best any other item but god damn have that thing taken some of my most vital items

it kept taking my lens makers

does mithrix take ? just kinda feel like that would make the fight suck

[daring cloak]

Yeah but its not too bad

He has a kind of secondary health bar specifically for when you steal your items back

And that NEVER regenerates

So even if he heals back up you'd eventually take transc back

[cinder pasture]

so he just has blue health

[fallen bridge]

yah

[daring cloak]

No he does heal back

But he'll still lose items if you keep damaging him

Even if he outheals it

[cinder pasture]

does backup mag or hardlight after burger effect mithrix?

[fallen bridge]

mag yes, afterburner no

[cinder pasture]

wait with does malachite just not effect you?

[fallen bridge]

yah

[cinder pasture]

WHY DO I HAVE 300 SECONDS OF LUNAR RAIN on delta

oh lunar elite

[next snow]

Is luck build worth it

Around like and that little golem that increases shrine of chance

[vagrant gazelle]

clover doesnt really do much on its own, it just makes chance items like bleed or crit much better

its super strong if you find one and have some chance items already, but its not hugely worth buidling around if you dont

[next snow]

Oh okay I see, i thought it like works really good

[vagrant gazelle]

its super strong, but situational

also depends who you're playing

not gonna get much use with a character like loader because your chance items will be activating less due to her burst play style

still one of the best reds though fs

[ancient iron]

Is it ok, that chests appear in the golden golem realm even with sacrifice artifact?

And what are the best survival items? Like to not get one hit by greater wisps. I just try the obvious command, sac, swarm combo on mooon(i can't do even 2 stages on moon without them) and i still die to a random hit before i even reached stage 5...

[uncut geyser]

Definitely things like

Speed is important for dodging, teddy blocks, and is great for a ton of tiny attacks

[ancient iron]

Thanks. I will try ig

[uncut geyser]

No prob, but also try to learn attack patterns if you're good with that kinda stuff

[ancient iron]

I know, what they do after having some good runs on the easiest diff. I only die with the op artifact combo when lots and lots of enemies spawn and all have smth ranged

or a random big hit from brass or gwisp

[uncut geyser]

Hmm what survivor do you usually play when you're dying?

[ancient iron]

I only won twice as commando( obelisk ) and Merc( kinda a God run on the easiest diff with no artifacts). On all other characters i rarely even get to meadows

I can note, that i am worse with slower guys

Like on cap i could not even win stage 1 cmd, sac, swr

No movement skill so i got always cooked

[uncut geyser]

Just a reminder swarms is a pretty hard artifact in general, dont put yourself down about losing with it on. Maybe try like keeping cover and trying to take a small amount of enemies at once

[ancient iron]

Rn trying the acrid guy and only after going for a bit of every shield,heal item using cmd i can survive properly

[uncut geyser]

If you're getting overwhelmed by enemies try your best to maybe like funnel them in an area where you can take care of a little at once

[ancient iron]

I get that, but like with cmd and sac people absolutely destroy everything that way so ye

[uncut geyser]

Don't worry about how good others are, the start of those runs can be hard sometimes cause you could get awful drop luck

[ancient iron]

Maybe i will do some rainstorm with those 3 artifacts for some time

Also which reds and yellows should i go for first?

[crisp timber]

What items are you prioritizing on command?

[ancient iron]

I mean glasses, tip-tip, synergy and for survival i took the teddy

[uncut geyser]

Depends on the build but id recommend a Dios best friends for insurance

[ancient iron]

On reds i always just took clover

Thought it would let me have more drops

[crisp timber]

Depends on the character and build you’re going for, but generally Clover is a good place to start for reds, and either Perforator are. Its strong items

[crisp timber]

Are you taking movement speed?

[ancient iron]

Not much, but i do try to take it on slower characters

[uncut geyser]

Little disciple is a great choice for 90% of builds as a yellow

[crisp timber]

If you’re playing a clover build, make sure you also take ATGs and Uke

[crisp timber]

You should absolutely be taking movement speed regardless of the character

I would argue it’s a higher priority than damage

[ancient iron]

I see. Which items are like def bad tho?

[crisp timber]

A lot lol

[ancient iron]

Like fungus is as i understand just for the turret guy

Or max hp meat is kinda ehh simply

[crisp timber]

It’s easier to just say what’s good than what’s bad

[ancient iron]

Oh lol

Also, how do i unlock harvest scythe? I saw people mention items here and well i have most, but not that one

[uncut geyser]

Every item in the game has a place in a build (even )

[uncut geyser]

Beat a Prismatic trial

[ancient iron]

Oh oof

[crisp timber]

Lepton Daisy

[uncut geyser]

Its still a very good item, it's great for n'kuhana too

It does big healing if im not mistaken

[crisp timber]

50% of your health, sure

Which is horrible with nkuhana, which is already a horrible item

[uncut geyser]

Ah

I thought it was better than 50

N'kuhana can still be amazing, any item can

[crisp timber]

It’s a single use foreign fruit that you can’t control

[ancient iron]

Are there bad reds tho?

[crisp timber]

Nkuhana isn’t amazing though

[ancient iron]

or bad yellows

[crisp timber]

There are many bad reds and bad yellows

[ancient iron]

Sad

[uncut geyser]

Prob aegis, almost impossible to actually get use out of it

[crisp timber]

Nkuhana’s, as was preciously discussed. Aegis. Brainstalks is arguably pretty mid. Reju Rack. Mask

[ancient iron]

Reju Rack is what?

[uncut geyser]

Double healing

[crisp timber]

Knurl is the premier bad yellow item. Gloop is also pretty bad but technically can be useful. The other ones are all useful in some way or another.

[uncut geyser]

Id say it's pretty amazing (reju rack)

[ancient iron]

And nkuhana's is the shooting while healing?

[crisp timber]

Yes

[ancient iron]

Is the blossom, that doubles healing worth taking Lunar?

[crisp timber]

Nkuhana makes a cool sound and has cool sound effects but is a very bad item because it scales off your health

[crisp timber]

Generally yes, but only exactly one

It is actually the one case where Reju Rack becomes a decent item

[ancient iron]

Also on Acrid, are there any skills worth replacing by the lunar items, that give skills?

[crisp timber]

No

[ancient iron]

I see, thanks

[crisp timber]

Ehh technically the primary can be replaced, but visions is kinda bad too

[ancient iron]

I take the teleport faster lunar always

and took the summon mobs on shrine when i am a bit confident

[crisp timber]

It’ll save you like half a minute per tp

Are you running crit and syringe on acrid?

[ancient iron]

Helps( or not) on void fields tho

[crisp timber]

I’d argue probably not. Smaller vield dome is kinda messed up man

[ancient iron]

I mean ye. I kinda do that and some other attack items

Focus crystal too

[crisp timber]

Acrid isn’t really built to be an attacking survivor like that

You’re more meant to use your M2 and R and rely on your poison for consistent damage

[ancient iron]

Then what attack items are more important?

[crisp timber]

None

Hmm. Try something like this instead.
2 hoof, 2 energy drink. 3 gas, 2 will o wisp, 1 fuel cell, forgive me please

If you have a red, soulbound catalyst

[ancient iron]

What's forgive me?

[crisp timber]

Very basic forgive me please build, should be pretty powerful, especially on acrid

The doll equipment

[ancient iron]

Oh, i see

I do use those items apart from gas

Aoe is good

[crisp timber]

Are you playing with DLCs?

[ancient iron]

Nah

[crisp timber]

Cool cool

[ancient iron]

Wanted to buy, but like saw a lot of probably outdated comments about annoying storm enemies

and people recommending others to like first get gud in the main game and unlock all things there

[crisp timber]

Eh they’re still annoying, but the content is good

Agreed though. familiarize yourself with the basic loop before you add too much in

[cinder pasture]

does mithrix take equipment. could he take a aspect of perfection?

[ancient iron]

Also 2 questions. Does the game get harder after you enter HAHAHAHA and is the final boss ment to be like stunned on his last phase? I kinda killed him and got back my powers while he did nothing

[crisp timber]

No and no. You keep aspects

[cinder pasture]

thats boring

[crisp timber]

Yes and no. You likely did what we call a stage 4 skip. It shouldn’t happen often

[cinder pasture]

he should at least get to try the power he created

[ancient iron]

I see. That was my only time beating him and on previous phases i could just afk and not die. I still don't know how and what items made me that way there

[steady stone]

the skip is from there being like a single tick where he can take damage, he normally is invulnerable until he's done taking your items
things like can kill him before this

which, kjaros is probably what did it in this case too

[rancid fog]

hi i recently started playing and was wondering whats the best survivor

[steady stone]

all survivors are really good, so it's more of what playstyle you enjoy more, but the generally talked about "strongest" are probably any of the Seekers DLC survivors, or Loader for base game

[ancient iron]

I don't even know wat that item is lol

[steady stone]

Void Fiend is also up there in power with his self heal

[rancid fog]

ah im too broke to afford a dlc

[rancid fog]

is there any survivor with sniper?

[steady stone]

has a sniper, but is Void DLC

[rancid fog]

ah sad

[ancient iron]

I love sniping enemies using Bandit's Light out thing. If you want to, then most ranged characters can be snipers tbh

[crisp timber]

Loader is probably “strongest” out of the base survivors if we’re just looking at high-level gameplay

[steady stone]

loader has very good base power but not the highest potential, since she's not a proc character

the highest potential might just go to like, huntress or mando tbh

[rancid fog]

yeah i am currently using bandit but i saw a streamer use a survivor with sniper and it marked enemies weak point and looked really fun to play

[tender temple]

erm its not a sniper its a railgun ☝️ 🤓

[crisp timber]

Highest potential is probably engineer just because he effectively becomes three mandos

[steady stone]

oh true, i forgot about that

[tender temple]

highest potential is false son because he benefits from all items

[steady stone]

he'll fall behind in comparison to movement scaling but has unparalleled offensive scaling

[tender temple]

and hes like 3 mandos on his own anyway

[rancid fog]

who is false son

[steady stone]

Seekers DLC,

[rancid fog]

oh

[steady stone]

his unique Growth makes things like and useful on him

[tender temple]

tldr he has insane stats

[ancient iron]

Is the spinel drink good btw? It was pretty op in one fo my runs, but i did not rly understand it's weakness

[steady stone]

the affliction is a permanent buff when not active

[tender temple]

it has a chance to give you a permanent debuff to your stats

and the debuff disappears when the tonic is active

[ancient iron]

Like a lot?

[steady stone]

it's debatably the best lunar because with 4 (iirc 4, maybe 5) , it's always active

[tender temple]

so you either endure until you can use it or you just have perm uptime on it

[steady stone]

so no downside

[ancient iron]

Oh holy

[tender temple]

its a 10%? decrease per affliction

[crisp timber]

5

[ancient iron]

That looks dop

[crisp timber]

And honestly it’s still pretty good even without permanent uptime

[tender temple]

people just dont bother with lunars that much cause after a bit they get stale

[steady stone]

20% chance for a 5% drop, so if you use it sparingly it's whatever

[tender temple]

they are either complete dogshit or gamebreaking

[crisp timber]

Like it might be one of the strongest lunar items even not accounting for dedicated item slots

[tender temple]

it cant be the strongest one because egocentrism is the best one

[ancient iron]

I can't find it in my shop for some reason. How do i unlock the item you said there?

[steady stone]

Gesture is unlocked from The Demons and the Crabs

[tender temple]

it cant be the second strongest either because eulogy zero is the second best one

[crisp timber]

Scare 20 hermit crabs into jumping to their death

[steady stone]

kill 20 hermit crabs by having them fall off the map, this is done on stage 6 titanic plains

since there's no ledge on abyssal

[ancient iron]

Oh, i see i see

Do they just get scared when you walk close or what?

[tender temple]

simulacrum too i guess but it 1. requires sotv and 2. arguably even less convenient

[steady stone]

they try to keep a range from you, since they use an artillery attack

[scarlet dagger]

I've never tried doing tha5 challenge yet I somehow have it halfway done

[crisp timber]

Can’t be the third either because glowing meteorite is the third best one

[tender temple]

true!

dont forget about mercurial rachis

[crisp timber]

Everybody loves mercurial rachis

[tender temple]

this is the rex of lunar items

its not even bad but its just so forgettable for some reason

[ancient iron]

Is it worth using the 5 green for 1 red?

with cmd

[tender temple]

depends on the greens and the red

[crisp timber]

If you have command, generally no

[ancient iron]

I see

[crisp timber]

You really shouldn’t have items of a low enough quality to be worth saccing for a red

[steady stone]

you can stack regen scrap on command for free reds every stage

if you can spare some items

[ancient iron]

What's regen scrap?

[tender temple]

its dlc

[steady stone]

, it's scrap that can be used once per stage

it's void dlc though, yeah

without sotv, just use the guaranteed red on stage 4

[tender temple]

rusty key son or sale star daughter

[crisp timber]

Chance doll enby

[tender temple]

benthic bloom andy

[hoary sedge]

shipping request form genderfluid

[ancient iron]

Is it worth taking the extra boss shrines?

[steady stone]

yeah, extra items is always good

it's especially good in multiplayer, if you play that, but in general too

[ancient iron]

Which greens to go for when you have like a couple of all the good ones?

Like stack more wisps or smth?

[steady stone]

some stack differently, so mostly stuff that stacks damage like

[ancient iron]

Mk

[steady stone]

atg is 300% dmg, +300% per stack

[ancient iron]

Wait, can i do the boss and then go to artifact?

For the items

[crisp timber]

Yes

[ancient iron]

Oh, that's neat

[steady stone]

it'll loop you, though, to do the artifact ambry

[ancient iron]

Ik

I kinda wanna do unlocks of the acid monster and unlock more items like the gesture thingy

Plus i don't wanna die to the triangle stony guy

[crisp timber]

The what

Mithrix?

[ancient iron]

Ye

Even tho the only time i fought and got to him, i cooked him

He still had wild dmg ngl

Like i will def def die to the random blue marks on the ground, that then go up and do insane dmg

I almost died to that on a 3 hour Merc run

So ain't no way i am surviving that here( and i won't dodge it cuz i suck)

[cinder pasture]

is there a reason to do the 4 pillars in the Commencement

[daring cloak]

Yeah to get to mithrix

[cinder pasture]

[daring cloak]

If you can skip pillars then cool

[cinder pasture]

no i mean literally is there a reason to do them rather than skipping?

[daring cloak]

No

[quasi topaz]

Skip them when possible. Only do them if you have no other option

[next snow]

What would be the best powermode Mul-t build for dps

[quasi topaz]

Double nailgun iirc

[hoary sedge]

technically the highest DPS is double saw iirc but uh

it's double saw

so yeah probably just go double nail

you can get some goofy burst damage with rebar/saw and luminous but that is pretty item dependent

[fierce bluff]

How much lost seer lenses do I need for guaranteed instakill if I have 8 clovers and 1 purity?

[daring cloak]

200

[steady stone]

You're getting 7 rerolls, so if you get like 40 for a 20% base chance, it's about a 90% chance

With the way luck works though, the rerolls itself won't ever be "guaranteed"

[daring cloak]

You'd still need 200 for it to be guaranteed

No matter how many clovers or purities you have

[next snow]

okay okay, what items should I aim for?

[fierce bluff]

So around 100-150 should be enough?

[steady stone]

probably way less than that, just using the reroll formula

[quasi topaz]

The usual items for any other high fire rate character. Movement, crit, proc items, etc

[high forum]

but it won't be 'guaranteed'

[steady stone]

it's only ever guaranteed perfectly at 200, with or without luck

[fierce bluff]

Alright, gonna waste all my white scrap

[steady stone]

Ok, that took a bit since I had to find the formula and pull up desmos, but 100 (50%) would give you a 99.2%

the only thing with stacking with rerolls is it will get less and less effective basically for the end result

like at 40%, the end result is 97.2%

messed up the values there

[next snow]

Thanks!

[steady stone]

oh, this is all ignoring proc coeffs and assuming it's 1.0 though

[next snow]

How can the loader pull hermit crabs? I heard things about it, but for me she just gets pulled to enemies

also does looping always loops you to the environment you were at ?

[steady stone]

the other m2 pulls smaller enemies to her

[next snow]

at stage 1

[next snow]

Ohhh okay, got it

[steady stone]

it picks from the same stage pools, so any stage 1 is valid

you can visit the Bazaar to try to pick Titanic Plains in the lunar seer

[next snow]

I have trouble from recogniziing them in lunar seers alot, do you guys have the same issue?

[steady stone]

it's always the same image, so it's just kinda memory

[next snow]

is there some images that I could look that to match them, im seriously blind

like some, source

[hoary sedge]

the wiki should have all of the images listed

[tender temple]

It takes time

[hoary sedge]

if you're on pc there's also a mod you can install that lists the stage name in the dream prompt

[steady stone]

i dont see anything but i can go pull a picture myself of the titanic seer

[tender temple]

I've been doing it for years I can tell what the stage is the moment I enter bazaar

[steady stone]

also, standing behind the seer can make your camera closer to it

[next snow]

appreciated

[steady stone]

iirc the seer for titanic has the ring/arches as the focus, but im getting a picture now

[tender temple]

It is

[next snow]

I see, I see

[tender temple]

Titanic is the most recognizable outside of special/fifth stages

[next snow]

so i will just eventually learn them

[hoary sedge]

pretty much

some of them are really obvious still though

[tender temple]

There's only like a couple that look similar

The orange ish ones

Aphelian and dieback are hard to tell apart from a distance

[next snow]

the red stage 5 is really easy

[steady stone]

that took a bit because i dunno how the seers work when forcing stage count

[next snow]

so this is titanic plains

[steady stone]

both of them are yeah

[next snow]

thank you, ill ook out for them

[steady stone]

a gesture unlocker's dream, rolling both seers as titanic

[next snow]

will i get to the celestial portal before 25min?

[next snow]

Literally!!!! i need it

[steady stone]

you probably could but not if you stop to do Gesture

celestial portal is stage 8

[hoary sedge]

you could also do 2 loops if you want

[steady stone]

loader having a high base movement, damage, and armor allows her to skip out on a lot of items and rush through stages

[fierce bluff]

Thanks a lot

[hoary sedge]

bc you only need to enter the celestial portal, not obliterate

[next snow]

Ah, thank you

[steady stone]

if the hermit crabs still spawn

it might get replaced by boss spawns late into a run

[hoary sedge]

yeah that's true

[next snow]

I really dislike this achievement, its so tedious

[steady stone]

yeah, it's at least held across all runs so you can have like half of it already done when you start

[next snow]

I only got 3 in

[quasi topaz]

my beloved

[next snow]

Its hard to use the blackhole, when the only hermit crabs that spawned was 3 of them!!!

[steady stone]

Rex is also good, if you have them

[next snow]

they avoid me like plague, but xi construct ?? yeah !! bring them on!!!

[steady stone]

The boop

[next snow]

don't you have to unlock a rex ability to knockback?

[steady stone]

the shift is a knockback by default

[next snow]

o

[steady stone]

the purple one damages and heals you though, is the difference

so preferably just use green anyway, no damage but inflicts a weaken debuff

[next snow]

Green, not purble got it

thank you for the help

Does drizzle become monsoon with enough time? I know theres easy sstats that like improve health regeneration, but theorotically?

[steady stone]

it shouldnt, kinda

[hoary sedge]

not really? the main difference between the difficulties is the run difficulty scaling

[steady stone]

there's a level cap of 99, and special scaling uses a formula with time, so that will eventually balance

even time scaling is based on difficulty though

[next snow]

I see

[peak jacinth]

the regeneration and huge armour bonus that drizzle gives also makes it so that drizzle will rarely become as hard as monsoon

[glacial knoll]

the 70 armor is quite a lot but if you just mean difficulty well, the actual math is kind of a disaster to look at but drizzle has a multiplier of 1 and monsoon of 3 so yeah eventually

I doubt it would need 3x the time but like yeah

[next snow]

I see I see!

[devout lichen]

any way to get rid of void items?

[steady stone]

egocentrism, i guess?

they cant be scrapped normally

[devout lichen]

smart

[fierce bluff]

Maybe shrine of order too

[steady stone]

void items have their own "rarities"

[fierce bluff]

Newly hatched zoea only then?

[steady stone]

like stacking it into another boss item you mean?

[devout lichen]

thats what i want to get rid of

[steady stone]

i dont believe so, but that does have me questioning it haha, so let me try some stuff

[devout lichen]

🫡

[fierce bluff]

If they have their own rarities, yellow should be the highest one, so they'd all stack into it?

[steady stone]

Void items have void rarities, so void white, void green, void red, etc

void whites can stack into other void whites, however they do not dip into normal whites, for example

this is determined by their normal item counterpart

[hoary sedge]

yeah the only way to get rid of voids is ego

other than encrusted key anyway, you can just use up that one

[fierce bluff]

Interesting

[devout lichen]

once i get ego, any way to get rid of that, cleanse wont spawn cause im on a command run

[hoary sedge]

not without cleansing pools no

[devout lichen]

thank yall

[steady stone]

i might take zoea over ego if you have a way to go in your run though

ego might just take your future boss items anyhow, and zoea isnt that bad

[devout lichen]

idc abt the items themselves, i just dotn wanna kill a clay duinestrider if it spawns

[steady stone]

youre also gambling on ego hitting your zoea specifically

[devout lichen]

yeah

i forgot what zoea did, so i grabbed it 😭

[fierce bluff]

One of the more underrated items imo

[hoary sedge]

it's not bad if you only ever get the bad boss items lol

[steady stone]

the void not working on special scaling stuff like mithrix makes the damage useless, but they are amazing damage sponges

they just move slower than beetle guard, so dont get in mithrix's face as fast

like... embarrassingly slow speed honestly

[fierce bluff]

It's hard to get any good boss items without tricorn

[hoary sedge]

it's also hard to get zoea without tricorn

[fierce bluff]

Also true, lmao

[hoary sedge]

significantly harder than the good boss items actually

[fierce bluff]

Void seeds spawn often even without looping tho

[hoary sedge]

are we talking with or without tricorn for that though

bc you can't get zoea from seeds without tricorn

[fierce bluff]

And the crab thing is fairly common in them

[fierce bluff]

Prolly with

[hoary sedge]

and even then they usually only spawn devastators by like stage 4 or 5

which is also the point that you're likely to either see or have already seen an imp or magma worm or grovetender

[fierce bluff]

Hmm, idk. I get the crabs on stage 3 almost all the time I go for false son route. Although grovetender

[hoary sedge]

really? I've only ever seen devastators on treeborn post loop

but yeah even then grovetender

I guess if youre at that point it wouldn't be a terrible pickup bc false son hyperfixates on your allies for some reason

[fierce bluff]

You're in the right here

[fierce bluff]

There was a guy that posted an image with a question here

And I dunno if it was him or not, but someone got banned right after

[next snow]

im okay dont worry

[fierce bluff]

What a timing!

[next snow]

ahaha

why don't the hermit crabs spawn more?, only 2 spawned, is there a cap?

im on stage 6, drizzle

[glacial knoll]

they're just one of the enemies

it'll take a bit for 20 or more to spawn

[next snow]

so just keep on killing others and wait?

[glacial knoll]

not much more you can or coulda done

artifact of swarms i guess but you're there already just, yeah

[next snow]

okay, thanks 😄

I did it!! thank you for the help!!!

[short needle]

How do i not get instakilled by the poison elites? 😭

[brittle shuttle]

there are no poison elites unless youre playing modded

[short needle]

I just read the wiki, i think they're called leeching

[brittle shuttle]

theres also no leeching elites

[short needle]

And idk how but every time i see one there's a chance im dropping dead on the spot with no clue how

[short needle]

Idk man the green ones 😭

[brittle shuttle]

malachite i assume

[short needle]

Oh

[brittle shuttle]

malachite celestine and twisted are all loop exclusive elites who have roided up stats and funky effects

malachite elites disables all healing for a short period of time when they hit you

and also spew out thorns occasionally

celestine makes all surrounding enemies invisible

twisteds give a copious amount of armor to surrounding enemies and also charges up an attack the more you hit the enemies around it

[short needle]

Ty for the info

I still have no clue how i die to them with so many items on one hit but im just gonna be careful

Im still new to this game

[lavish jacinth]

Malachites do 6x damage

[lavish jacinth]

I think all of the post-loop elites do

Basically, don't get hit

[short needle]

Damn

[short needle]

I have skill issue

[quasi topaz]

Stack movement items and dont stop moving

Grab and along with your other usual items

[short needle]

Ok i'll try, tysm

[versed tiger]

How does Acrid's poison interact during Mithrix phase 4 if he takes Transcendence? Will poison only do 1 damage?

[lavish jacinth]

Nah, shield counts as max hp so it'll still work normally

[versed tiger]

Great news! Thanks

[next snow]

how to farm lunar coins

[fallen bridge]

are you on pc or console?

[next snow]

pc

[lavish jacinth]

You edit your save file to have a million of them

Or farm mithrix on drizzle if you wanna do it legit, I guess

[next snow]

Oh? is it unsafe

[fallen bridge]

if you really just wanted coins, you could edit them in
as for actual grinding, i think fighting false son -> mithrix should be the most efficient?

[next snow]

I have 232 of them right now, but im scared I will eventually lose them...

Okay, so bosses, got it

[lavish jacinth]

Oh, FS would be faster, yeah

[fallen bridge]

fighting false son & mithrix in the same run grants 20 coins total? i think

[lavish jacinth]

But yeah, save-editing is safe, although you should still make a backup copy first just in case

[next snow]

if you don't die 😨

[fallen bridge]

[next snow]

Okay, got it, so no bans or anything?

[lavish jacinth]

I think all you have to do is open the file in notepad and ctrl+f for lunar coins, or just use an online save editor

[lavish jacinth]

Nah, the devs don't care lol

If they did then half the pc playerbase would be banned by now lol

[fallen bridge]

it is a mostly single-player game, you can do pretty much whatever & devs do not care

[next snow]

I see I see, thank you

I really appreciate you guys being so helpful !!!

[keen crow]

I have been trying to get a yellow portal to spawn to unlock false son for a couple days now, but i am struggling to get it to work. I have to first enter a green portal and after that i should be able to get it from either the bazaar or a yellow tower right?

[next snow]

I like that devs are relaxed about this .

[lavish jacinth]

Easiest way to get one is to go to the bazaar each stage and check if gilded coast is in one of the seers, it's about a 10% chance per visit

[fallen bridge]

you do not actually have to enter a green portal first, visiting gilded coast any time before stage 4 guarantees the unlock ... bazaar is probably the best method

[lavish jacinth]

DON'T take a green portal until after you've already gotten a halcyon seed

In the bazaar, there are 3 hidden geodes that you can break to spawn a guaranteed green portal if you're on a valid stage. But they only appear if you haven't used a green portal already

[keen crow]

is there a way to be able to guarantee a portal to the bazaar>?

[lavish jacinth]

Newt altars

Stages are almost guaranteed to have at least one, and they always appear in the same spots

The wiki has all of the locations

[keen crow]

yeah i know a lot of them i just never connected the dots that each time i used one of those altars a portals spawned ^_^

thank you :)

[lavish jacinth]

Np

[crisp timber]

the official yt channel literally made a joke about it

[fierce bluff]

Aerolt

[fierce bluff]

You'll be able to edit em live in a run, even in multiplayer, just copy and paste highest 32 bit integer once you don't have enough for a reroll or something

[fierce bluff]

The game does not have a ban system or even a chat filter as of now, there are some weirdos who type offensive stuff in chat if you're unlucky...

[humble kiln]

Im noticing that when using ice box with yes chef on chef i can boost two attacks instead of just one. Is this intended?

only seems to happen when i first use boosted ice box, maybe beacuse it has 2 charges?

nvm known bug

[next snow]

could rex be a tank character?

[mellow crystal]

he definitely works better as a tank than other survivors due to his great self-healing but it's offset by the fact that his best loadout leaves him at around 50-90% health constantly

[next snow]

Sounds interesting, what would be his best loadut?

I feel like um that would be really cool to be some kind of tank

[mellow crystal]

all-purple essentially, so 1222
green m2 is safer but at the cost of having half the dps (or 0.25x the dps if we consider its cooldown)
green utility lacks the ability to fully heal you by hitting 2 enemies with it
green special is just really really bad

[next snow]

I just checked the abilities and the requirements for them
thank you, once I unlock them I will use the one you wrote

I need some easy way to unlock them 😢

[lavish jacinth]

alt utility is the only one you'd need to unlock for that loadout, the rest are default

and his default utility isn't that bad honestly, although its unlock is probably the most annoying out of the three. Literally just reset until you get abandoned aqueduct stage 2 and then hope for a dunestrider as the boss, then boop it into a pit

for alt m2, just keep spamming secondary during the whole tp fight to stay under 50%, can actually help since it counts as health but won't regenerate due to the constant damage

for alt special, just stack max hp items and , then use

[lavish jacinth]

I'm not sure I'd really call anything in ror2 a real tank tho tbh, besides maybe false son. Enemies can do so much damage that survivors basically range from "glass cannon" to "slightly-stronger-glass cannon"

Although rex does have some built-in armor and slightly above average hp along with his healing, plus weakening enemies makes them deal 40% less damage

he can eat damage better than most but he's not gonna be facetanking mithrix's hammer or anything

[honest badger]

do not do this. editing the save file is fine, but use a lower number than the maximum or you risk having your coins set to negative one

[orchid lantern]

Ok I wanna get diff artifacts

But I do not know how

Is there diff places to get diff ones

Or you just go back to stage 5 and do the same puzzle

[lavish jacinth]

same puzzle, the rest of the codes are hidden throughout the game, usually on tablets similar to the one next to the machine

[orchid lantern]

THAT EXPLAINS WHY I SEEN ONE IN ANOTHER WORLD

[lavish jacinth]

Or just look them up, the wiki has all the codes and a hint guide if you wanna do it legit but get stuck https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Artifacts

[orchid lantern]

Alr thx

[mental rivet]

Yo does the 16 player coop config still work or u gotta use mods to override now

[lavish jacinth]

pretty sure it still works, I imagine #ror2-modding would know

[glossy panther]

I wanted to the challenge of never fall below 100% hp as huntress in stage 3, so I picked up the transcendence
But it didn't work appearantly

[mellow crystal]

shield counts as hp

[lavish jacinth]

barrier doesn't though, so brooch helps

shaped glass/artifact of glass also make it easier

[thorny steeple]

how rare are the radio towers on stages?

ive played prob hundreds of hours of sots and yet i still haven't seen a radio tower for viscous falls, treeborn colony, and disturbed impact

the other stages i got their logbook entries in like the first week so i really dont get whats taking so long with these ones

[honest badger]

those stages are bugged iirc

use a mod to fix it if there is such a thing

[glacial furnace]

Any character is a tank if you get Aegis with any life steal

[lavish jacinth]

no, not really

[honest badger]

lifesteal is ass

[glacial furnace]

The highest amount of hp I have gotten is like 2000 / 7000 ish with mercenary counting barrier

[lavish jacinth]

and so is aegis

[honest badger]

not even conceptually, there are just like two lifesteal items and neither one is good for consistent healing

[lavish jacinth]

technically super massive leech is really good lifesteal, but nobody remembers that it even exists

(and there are way better equipments to use anyway)

[mellow crystal]

me when it takes 1.8 minutes of constantly firing and dealing damage for commando to heal from 1 to full health at level 18 with just leeching seed

[lavish jacinth]

still praying they add the leechingseedbuff mod to vanilla someday

[thorny steeple]

well thanks for letting me know, i will, then

weird how its not mentioned on their wiki.gg pages

also while im here, is voidling's logbook bugged too?

i've killed that cycloptic crab loser dozens of times by now and i still have yet to get its logbook entry

had no trouble getting false son's boss logbook entry

[honest badger]

no it's just low chance

[lavish jacinth]

logbook drops are affected by luck, stack some clovers (If you weren't already)

swarms also helps as long as you don't mind fighting two voidlings, both of them will have a chance to drop a logbook

[thorny steeple]

pretty much every run where i kill voidling i have multiple clovers, as i fight voidling at the end of 10+ stage god runs

pretty sure i killed him/it with 15 clovers once

[lavish jacinth]

rip, just gotta keep at it then

[pearl delta]

how good is captain with diablo compared to normal orbital probes?

[daring cloak]

Thats a tricky question

[lavish jacinth]

diablo is kind of a gimmick ability, but it's a gimmick that works

[daring cloak]

Diablo is undeniably harder and more convoluted to use but it offers a lot of damage and aoe

[lavish jacinth]

40,000% damage speaks for itself if you can actually use it

you have to be good at kiting and predicting enemies and using taser/shock beacons to hold them in place

[daring cloak]

I would say diablo is worth it if you're willing to put in the effort of learning how to use it properly

[fallen bridge]

diablo has quite a few niche but highly effective uses (shock beacon, bonking mithrix/false son/etc) & technically higher dps but probes are much more consistent

[pearl delta]

i typically only really use it during mithrix to take off phase 1

and sometimes i can get it during start of phase 3 as well but less consistently

on e4 wouldn't the increased mithrix move speed make probes useless

unless he jumps to the center

[fallen bridge]

phase 4 is slow enough where you can just kinda circlestrafe until diablo lands so there is that as well

[fallen bridge]

unless you can accurately predict him or happen to have runald & chrono or tenta

[lavish jacinth]

or

[fallen bridge]

or !!

[pearl delta]

so they're side grades basically

[fallen bridge]

somewhat? personally i think the niche uses of diablo makes it a little better than probes but they are pretty reasonably close

[daring cloak]

Diablo just takes ages to master

[pearl delta]

i feel like diablo is kinda useless on not-mithrix unless you have shock beacon

[daring cloak]

Ehh not really

Its fairly easy to bait bosses into it

[lavish jacinth]

you always have taser

[daring cloak]

And with some practice you can also guide regular enemies in it

[lavish jacinth]

or hooks of heresy, but that also locks enemies in place for a bit

[fallen bridge]

kiting groups of enemies is reasonably effective even if you are not good at it

[lavish jacinth]

and shock beacons ARE good, it's worth it to bring them

[daring cloak]

And with certain builds you can make a little... "firework show"

[fallen bridge]

or by using the aforementioned or

[lavish jacinth]

cube my beloved

[fallen bridge]

i sleep on cube too much

[daring cloak]

If deus ex will work like fin in terms of aoe diablo will become infinitely stronger

[half jay]

just do this

[lavish jacinth]

bro spent like 5 minutes typing just to send that

[steady stone]

works of art take time fax

[half jay]

just perfecting my comment

[pearl delta]

oh also does diablo deal less damage the futher an enemy is from the center

[fallen bridge]

yah

[half jay]

as a matter of fact. add this to the build

[fallen bridge]

it uses "sweet spot falloff" which iirc is a linear dmg decrease down to 25% at the edge? i think, i need to check

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's only 25% at the outer edge

[pearl delta]

25% seems like a lot less than 100%

[fallen bridge]

indeed

[lavish jacinth]

it's still 10,000% tbf but yeah

[lavish jacinth]

it's also not linear, sweetspot is 100% damage on the inside half of the radius and 25% on the outer half

[fallen bridge]

oh right yah

too many falloff models to remember

[pearl delta]

i appreciate all the advice

[daring cloak]

You can also

Use diablo to throw yourself across the stage if youre a maniac like me

[lavish jacinth]

ngl I have no idea why they bothered giving diablo falloff, it's so hard to land that it just seems fair that it always deal full damage lol
(and it still annoys me that the hitbox is a sphere and not a cylinder)

[pearl delta]

unfortunately i play on eclipse

i have thought about using it as a pillar skip but i always chicken out

[daring cloak]

Eh its fine

[pearl delta]

(i am not trying to proc an atg on myself)

[daring cloak]

Only polylute and needletick can kill ya

All other procs are either too weak or cant even hurt ya

[pearl delta]

and plimp

[inner verge]

In multiplayer if someone has a void item and another person has the non-void counterpart, would it get corrupted during phase 4 Mithrix?

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[lavish jacinth]

no

[lavish jacinth]

the only things that can proc on yourself from diablo are status effects, and polylute for some reason

[pearl delta]

oh really

thats odd

[lavish jacinth]

well technically other things can proc, but only status effects can damage you

AtG just kinda gets confused and gives up

[daring cloak]

Well other things can proc on you but you'll never like be able to be hit

[lavish jacinth]

and polylute is just weird, either they forgot to make it not deal damage or it's secretly a status effect

[fallen bridge]

it is the former

[pearl delta]

wait if you pillar skip with diablo are you not gonna die to fall damage

[daring cloak]

Nah it lines up really well

[fallen bridge]

maybe? i recall having tested it in eclipse & i think you can survive

[daring cloak]

Maybe like if you go dead center

But diablos knockback is very precise

Going a lil off center will change its launch angle to be a tad more horizontal so you shouldnt go quite as high

[pearl delta]

so if you walk forward a picometer from on top of soul pillars then you won't die

[daring cloak]

Prolly

[pearl delta]

i'm just gonna test it tomorrow probably

i am NOT trying to lose a run to this lol

[daring cloak]

I kinda just developed a feel for it after doing it so often lmao

[fallen bridge]

i tested it on the bridge which is a little lower down & i was pretty low after falling, i think you would probably die on top of soul pillars

[pearl delta]

what bridge