ror2-game-questions

[torpid marsh]

ah okay thanks

how do I fix it

[lavish jacinth]

you wait for a patch lol

which probably won't be any time soon

or ask #ror2-modding if there's a mod that fixes it

[torpid marsh]

okay thanks for the help

[marble osprey]

#1379511719512248401 message
Correct

[timid obsidian]

how do sale stars stack?

[lavish jacinth]

every stack after the first adds a chance to get more bonus items

[full apex]

the avg expected item value goes down pretty fast, but the more item odds are nice for red chests

by the 4th stack the avg item gain from more stacks is < 0.1 haha

[lavish jacinth]

it's funny how there are a few points around 20 stacks where 4 items is somehow less likely than 5 or 3

[timid obsidian]

does reprive give invincibility like sojourn?

[dusky raven]

nope

[pallid mirage]

Can you turn a bad run into a good run

[stable inlet]

Quick Q, in the last cell of the Void Fells, do you need to kill all remaining enemies or they should stop appearing? My friend is stuck in 99% for some reason right now

Is it just a bug?

[fallen bridge]

it should just stop & kill all remaining enemies when it is fully charged? that sounds like a bug ...

[stable inlet]

I looked it up and it may be a bug

Well, no, it IS a bug, probably from a mod

[timid obsidian]

is the singularity band worse than one of each normal bands?

[frosty reef]

yup

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's pretty bad in general

[timid obsidian]

even with higher counts?

[frosty reef]

at least there breaching fin for singularity band now i guess

[lavish jacinth]

it's only 100% total damage per stack, compared to runalds and kjaro's having 250% and 300% respectively

and a 20s cooldown instaead of 10

the only advantage is a bigger radius and the fact that it can proc

[viral sorrel]

use artifact of sacrifice so no chests spawns = more credits towards radar
sorry for super late reply lol

[lavish jacinth]

yeah
mainly through looting stages as much as possible (and as efficiently as possible), using printers, scrappers, and maybe the cauldrons in the bazaar, and maybe lunars and void fields if you're into that.
Or just power through it with pure skill, some runs will just give you awful rng at every turn but no run is unwinnable

[lavish jacinth]

they're already using it in the screenshot they sent lol

[pallid mirage]

I had no damage last run but I became speed

[viral sorrel]

oh rip just super unlucky then damn
and i saw command and thought for some reason command and sacrifice were mutually exclusive whoops

[lavish jacinth]

that's better than nothing, worst case scenario you could just keep avoiding damage and wear enemies down

[pallid mirage]

That's exactly what I was doing

[lavish jacinth]

yeah nah, they both benefit radar scanner spawns since command also removes printers and scrappers

[cursive hound]

Do enemies continue spawning after the teleporter is charged?

[lavish jacinth]

no, they stop spawning once it hits 99%

(except for forced spawns like a combat shrine or whatever)

[raven smelt]

can I unlock the seeker alt mobility skill by stacking wires?

or does the damage have to be specifically from the explosion not just while ur in the sojourn?

[lavish jacinth]

it has to be from the explosion, so stack a bunch of different damage multipliers and hit as many enemies as you can with it

+ can also make sojourn last way longer and build up more damage

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, you should probably edit out the part about shaped glass not working (dunno about the artifact)

[fallen bridge]

i was just going to say that 😭

[steady stone]

i wish we had a channel for patch notes like helldivers, the updates come out while im out and about and cant load steam

[raven smelt]

yeah I got it after, just raps crowbars and a crystal

[dusky sandal]

does light flux pauldron affect turrets/

[livid wedge]

Not unless they have visions of heresy

As in, yeah, they lose attack speed but do not normally gain any effect

[wet bison]

any tipps for the pod puzzel

[clear whale]

wdym

[wet bison]

on the auqedukt map there are pods and pressure plates this puzzle

[clear whale]

press 2 pressure plates at the same time

[wet bison]

but how do you move pods up a hill

[clear whale]

either on multiplayer, captain's beacons, engineer turrets, loader's pylons, etc etc

[clear whale]

physics in this game are kinda jank

pot rolling is hard

[wet bison]

i have rex rn

does speed help?

[clear whale]

no

all pressure plates must be pressed at once

once two pressure plates are pressed the door will automatically open (you wont need to press it again)

[wet bison]

ii mean does movementspeed help at rolling the pods

[clear whale]

IDK

Physics changed after sots

[wet bison]

does that mean i can press them with spawnable?

[clear whale]

as long as it is counted as an entity

ground items, beacons, turrets, pylons, players, enemies, etc etc

[austere bay]

Does tri tip stack additively with noxious, or are they two different instances of bleed rolls (so you can roll bleed twice for example)?

[austere bay]

Now im curios does this include the level up war banner? Do you have item examples that work with it otherwise?

[primal vector]

Same instance of bleed

[mellow crystal]

iirc no it doesn't but one item that I know does work is

[austere bay]

Noted thanks! Anything to get double bands stage 2 on non engineer solos

[tough dragon]

hiiiiii uuuuh i cant find an Halycon seed in my inventory. Looked everywhere on the ground. Can it be replaced by eulogy zero ? It would be my only explanation

[austere bay]

I mean random blue on floor so I think that's answers it looool

[tough dragon]

goddamn it

stone flux pauldron too

[sly rover]

hey

[verbal thorn]

can someone send me the userdata names of the new achievements for false son and seeker? it would be greatly appreciated.

is there a place where i can see all userdata names for the new achivements?

[primal vector]

In the comments people are posting SoTS achievements

[steady stone]

lmao

yeah Mithrix bot hates steam links

[primal vector]

I cannot post links. Search for "[CHEAT] Characters, Items, Skins, and More! (DLC Update)" in steam forums

[primal vector]

Arguably some of the few links relevant to this Discord

[steady stone]

free gift card

[primal vector]

Internet is broken

[livid wedge]

Which is funny because the gift cards don't use actual steam links. They are slightly altered

[steady stone]

oh yeah, that was in reference to being a relevant link

[daring cloak]

Its for good reason though

[livid wedge]

The order of info between dots is relevant. Hacked links either mess up the order or misspell one of the words inbetween dots, thus becoming a different site entirelu

[daring cloak]

Theyre banned to prevent the scams that try to trick people into thinking theyre getting $50 gifted through a steam link

[steady stone]

no, the scams dont get auto deleted

we have to ping mods

[daring cloak]

Some of them do

[high forum]

90% of them do

you have no idea how much spam we deal with on a daily basis lol

[livid wedge]

Oh god, your name

I'm sorry but I hate that

[steady stone]

the dumb vs dumber scammers i guess

[high forum]

i mean, it's just bots

not actual people

[daring cloak]

Why does everyone hate the new mod role color I think it looks pretty 😭

[steady stone]

yeah, but one guy orchestrates the message n stuff

[livid wedge]

I don't like it being irridescent

[steady stone]

at least pick a good link

[livid wedge]

I much prefer solid colors

[daring cloak]

I mean if you guys dont want it I'll gladly take it

[peak jacinth]

woah that role colour is cool

[daring cloak]

Thats what im saying

[peak jacinth]

since when could you do that

[steady stone]

a new boost reward with the server tags

[daring cloak]

For this server todsy

[peak jacinth]

oh is it a boost thing?

[primal vector]

We have invented and ruined internet with bots and ads in less time that the average lifespam

[high forum]

i don't like the weird highlight it gets when you mouse over one of my messages

[steady stone]

server level

[high forum]

it makes me feel like my glasses are smudgy

[peak jacinth]

i see

[daring cloak]

Eggscuse me? Where are polychrome and foil

[steady stone]

and my gambling! they removed loot boxes!

[daring cloak]

What

Discord had lootboxes?

[steady stone]

for april fools yeah

[daring cloak]

Actually wait I think I remember

[primal vector]

The absolute legend role suppodsely has gradient, but you have to only have that one

[steady stone]

it does yeah

[peak jacinth]

i’m craving that 1.5x Mult

[livid wedge]

Polychrome and foil, what is this, balatro?

Time to do a balatro run

[peak jacinth]

my Michel is so Gros

[livid wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-nope-wheel-northernlion-fortune-gif-1884086658338738891

[daring cloak]

Im extincting my cavendish rn

[lavish jacinth]

it's the color of staring at a bright light for too long and then looking at a white surface

[daring cloak]

I kinda see that but for me thats usually a blend of many different colors

[livid wedge]

Upon further introspection, I don't hate it

[peak jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-estrogen-gif-12757421495138386956

[livid wedge]

It just surprised the shit out of me

And my autism didn't like that

[peak jacinth]

love this gif

[livid wedge]

Literally me

[daring cloak]

Real

[peak jacinth]

shoutout to all my trans homies, yall rock

[daring cloak]

Idk I just thinks it looks really pristine

[livid wedge]

It looks fine

[daring cloak]

And gives the mods like......... "aura"

[livid wedge]

It could be toned down just a smidge

[daring cloak]

Because they have the most unique looking role

[lavish jacinth]

I mean I genuinely thought that's what it was at first, I sat there for a bit wondering what the fuck was wrong with my eyes lol

[daring cloak]

Damn 😭

[livid wedge]

[high forum]

[daring cloak]

I still want this server to have the transgenderence emote

[steady stone]

[peak jacinth]

that mod was dope

[livid wedge]

I vote for it

If we can have afterburger

We can have transgendence

[peak jacinth]

true we also have willosmith so

[high forum]

wheres a hq version of it

pride month is gonna be over by the time yall get it to me

[steady stone]

why would we have it at the ready 😭

[daring cloak]

And?

[high forum]

why wouldn't you???

[steady stone]

everyone knows you stop after june

[peak jacinth]

I’m in like 7 ror2 servers how do I not have a picture of it 😭

[high forum]

see? exactly what i mean

[daring cloak]

Quick google search spat this out from thunderstore

[high forum]

that unfortunately will not do

[steady stone]

that little effect looks hard to edit out though
sonic would definitely jump off before you get it

[daring cloak]

Yeah I cant find a version that doesnt have the lunar item background

[peak jacinth]

I’m asking modding friends if they have it

but that might be the only one

[high forum]

well, if anyone wants to make one that will looks as good/clean as this version, i'll be happy to replace it for a few weeks

[steady stone]

im workinggg

[daring cloak]

for a few weeks 😦

[high forum]

no rush! i gotta get some work done

[steady stone]

LOTS of rush (i have nothing better to do )

[high forum]

yeah, it's not my place to decide if stuff like that stays permanently, so all i can promise is at least a few weeks

[daring cloak]

Damn.... guess we have to overthrow suncles and gearbox

[peak jacinth]

i’m literally on my phone trying to edit ts lmaoo

[steady stone]

i can get rid of the outline

[high forum]

the original has the outline

[steady stone]

oh, let me repair the tail actually

its really hard to tell what's background and what's tail

i didnt even know this thing had a tail

[peak jacinth]

oh you’re so goated

[daring cloak]

I love you guys

[steady stone]

i paid like $20 for a drawing application, i have to use it for shitposts

[high forum]

wow

@steady stone incredible

[peak jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/did-we-just-win-did-we-just-lose-starlord-endgame-chris-pratt-gif-24585744

[steady stone]

[high forum]

happy pride to the trans babes of rorcord

[peak jacinth]

happy pride yall!

[daring cloak]

Hell yeah happy pride month

[steady stone]

but NO more after june...

it is now BANNED

[daring cloak]

😦

[peak jacinth]

nooooo

[slim spoke]

transgendance lmfao

[livid wedge]

@peak jacinth

Think I cleared it?

[daring cloak]

Is that a god damn polychrome tribulet?

[livid wedge]

Sure is

First wheel did that

[peak jacinth]

Gros Michel, the prophecy is true

also that is an insane joker setup how tf did you get that lucky

[livid wedge]

By having 99 garbage runs in-between

[peak jacinth]

THAT makes sense

[livid wedge]

You would not believe how many failed runs I have because just utter garbage choicea

[peak jacinth]

honestly, I’ve played the game enough to fully believe you lmao

[livid wedge]

Nooo, one of my 4 glass queens broke

[trim lynx]

[wet bison]

name one random caracter

[still mural]

Thurson

[wet bison]

of ro2

[daring cloak]

Yeah tharson

[wet bison]

i mean playebal caracter

[daring cloak]

Rex

[wet bison]

ok

[still mural]

Heretic

[wet bison]

i makeing eclips run so no

[still mural]

Seeker

[steady stone]

potmobile

[wet bison]

will do after rex

[brittle shuttle]

John

[livid wedge]

John Risk and Jane Rain

[jovial sedge]

how can I get the alt utility of false son cause it isn't working

[daring cloak]

Did you make sure that auri kills mithrix while he has at least one stack of your lunar ruin debuff

[lavish jacinth]

that one's pretty annoying, Auri HAS to get the final blow while Mithrix has ruin applied to him

when Mithrix is at low health, try to avoid applying ruin until right before Auri is about to attack so that you don't accidentally kill him

can also give Auri some extra dps without needing to damage Mithrix, ideally on an equipment drone for more uptime

and like the other "kill mithrix with X" challenges, try to avoid procs or other items that could damage mithrix on accident

[cursive yew]

is there an easier way to get to gilded coast that isnt the shrine ;-;

now that im hunting for it i never see it anymore

[lavish jacinth]

it can sometimes show up in lunar seers

[golden coyote]

Hm, I got it once at the bazaar

[mellow crystal]

You can also go to gilded via a halcyon shrine if you're already on potc (green portal path) but that's also pretty luck-based

[lavish jacinth]

iirc it's a 5% chance to appear in either seer, so you have roughly a 10-ish% chance of it showing up on any visit to the bazaar

[lavish jacinth]

also that, yeah

and having command + sacrifice enabled will increase the overall number of shrines you get

[cursive yew]

i read that on the wiki but im yet to see a halcyon shrine on the potc so i gave up on that

[cursive yew]

oki so just keep getting newt and pray

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[lavish jacinth]

treeborn has the same stage credits as the other stage 3's, and reformed altar actually has more than treeborn, so if anything there's more loot than normal

[pallid mirage]

I gotta be ass or something cause I can't loop to help my life

I don't know what I'm doing wrong I use what I have I circle enemies and hold out for a super long time especially during boss fights and still die after I loop

[high parcel]

well if youre holding out for a super long time that might be the issue

[pallid mirage]

How do I fix this issue cause I know I can't deal insane amounts of damage but still try to take the boss piece by piece

[high parcel]

same advice as any other

get to know which items to pick and when, use printers, etc

specially if youre playing as railgunner, you should be killing the tp bosses in like, two seconds

[pallid mirage]

I haven't been playing rail gunner

[high parcel]

well, other survivors might take a bit more

but yeah, your issue is itemisation if you cant kill the bosses fast enough

[lavish jacinth]

what have you been playing?

[pallid mirage]

A lot of bandit lately

[lavish jacinth]

ah

bandit is a little inconsistent in loops but usually he's at least decent, it helps a lot of if you're using desperado though

[pallid mirage]

He's pretty solid early on but once I loop it gets bad

Whenever I played rail gunner I usually did pretty well

[lavish jacinth]

in my experience bandit usually comes down to how well you can farm desperado kills, if you can get desperado up and running he can have basically infinite scaling.
I also generally prefer the rifle over the shotgun if I plan on looping, higher proc value + infinite range helps a ton in loops when a lot of your damage comes from procs and it's not always easy to get close to things for shotgun meatshots

and railgunner just has really high damage in general so she tends to always do well

[pallid mirage]

Yeah I always play her that's why I've been experimenting around and mercenary seems pretty fun but his play style is kinda dangerous

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, merc is hard to play but pretty strong once you get used to him, although he doesn't always scale well in loops

merc has this weird paradox where if you play him right, he essentially gets stronger the more overwhelmed he is

being surrounded by enemies means you can get more expose procs, which means shorter cooldowns and more damage, so it's good to play him super aggressively

[mellow crystal]

Shorter cooldowns also equates to more dash i-frames (and evis I guess) so he's actually kinda safer the more overwhelmed he is

[lavish jacinth]

yep

but it can also backfire in loops if he becomes strong enough to kill everything before big crowds can pile up around him, and you end up with spread-out groups of enemies where merc can't really do anything. Plus you have malachite spike traps to worry about when you're in melee range

[pallid mirage]

Alright I've only played engineer once, is he as stupid as he seems

[lavish jacinth]

define stupid

[mellow crystal]

Triple item value is very very good to say the least

[lavish jacinth]

Engie's got a somewhat weak start but he has some of the best scaling in the game

it does help to unlock his alt m2 and utility though

[pallid mirage]

Wha

[lavish jacinth]

Engineer's turrets inherit all of his items

[clear whale]

(Do note that some items are blacklisted)

[pallid mirage]

I guess I should've known when I saw the bungus turrets

[lavish jacinth]

for a lot of items that's not a big deal, but some items can essentially have their effects tripled, or synergize in unique ways

bungus being the obvious one, but it applies to other things too

like with for example, you basically get 2 extra tesla coils active in addition to your own

[lavish jacinth]

only a few, mainly items that passively spawn minions or wouldn't work correctly anyway like rusted key

[pallid mirage]

That doesn't sound balanced

[lavish jacinth]

if you think THAT'S unbalanced then you clearly haven't seen enough of this game lol

cough

but yeah, stuff like that makes engie really strong lategame

[pallid mirage]

I don't have seekers of the storm yet but what makes this survivor different

[lavish jacinth]

well getting a free self-revive every stage for one thing, all she has to do is play a helldivers arrow minigame 7 times (which also gives a ton of other buffs)

and then just having an absurdly strong kit in general

[pallid mirage]

Dios best friend for free is crazy

[lavish jacinth]

it used to just be a free per stage and it could revive dead teammates, but for some ungodly reason they decided that wasn't good enough

[mellow crystal]

M1 that has consistent aoe damage
Alt m2 that gives practically unlimited barrier
Default utility that has infinite damage scaling and invulnerability
Alt utility that's a that deals damage and heals and procs as efficiently as commando
And default special that just nukes everything in a radius larger than the teleporter radius

Oh alt util also has arguably better cross-map traversal than fucking loader

[pallid mirage]

Holy

[lavish jacinth]

idk what they were smoking when they made her

[mellow crystal]

Probably tonic laced with active brainstalks stalks

[lavish jacinth]

it's really funny to think that Heretic was originally meant to be a secret overpowered character who's too strong to be played in normal runs

and Heretic isn't even close to Seeker in power

[mellow crystal]

Nobody is really

Even fs is like a fraction of seeker's power

She's the secret main antagonist

[lavish jacinth]

I think the House Beyond can stop searching for god or whatever, she's already working for them

[still mural]

Is she still working for them?

[tiny aspen]

Hey guys, is it just me or the game is unplayable in multiplayer? I couldn’t play with my friends since the last update, always someone couldn’t interact with the chest, items, etc or do any damage

[pallid mirage]

Hey how rare is the harvesters scythe

[lavish jacinth]

same as any other green item

[pallid mirage]

I've never gotten it

[lavish jacinth]

just to rule out the obvious, are you sure you have it unlocked?

[pallid mirage]

Well yeah why

[lavish jacinth]

just making sure lmao
it wouldn't be the first time that that was the problem

[lavish jacinth]

in that case it's just rng doing a funny

[pallid mirage]

I tend to see a lot of the same items in my runs even some of the gray items seem non existent at times

[lavish jacinth]

it be like that sometimes

I've even seen that happen in other roguelikes, so it may just be something weird with how seed generation works in general, idk

[pallid mirage]

Yeah I'll get a solid run in one day

[full osprey]

What's the chance of an Altar of Gold spawning

[lavish jacinth]

pretty low, but they can appear on any stage except the first

it's impossible to give an exact chance since it's based on spawn credits and weights and stuff

but there is a 5% chance for lunar seers to have gilded coast as a stage

[frank sparrow]

whats the best red item for captain idk the actual name of the rarity but the spare drone parts rarity also best item that not spare drone parts thats for survivability

[lavish jacinth]

the official name is legendary but most people just call them red items lol
Spare Drone Parts IS one of the best (both for captain and overall), but if you don't want that then + any of the SotS reds would all be good choices, in no particular order

but if you specifically want survivability then it's genuinely hard to do better than drone parts on captain lol
The dedicated defensive reds are awful (not counting microbots), are okay but imo it's best to just go for one of the good damage reds (any of the ones I listed), best defense is a good offense

[frank sparrow]

ok thanks

[frank sparrow]

is there a way to get turrets to where you are like a teleport

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[frank sparrow]

damn

[clear whale]

about rarity:
theres a total of 6 main rarities:

• common (white)
• uncommon (green)
• legendary (red)
• boss (yellow)
• void (purple)
• lunar (blue)

void items corrupt other items

[frank sparrow]

ok ty

[prisma birch]

anybody know what monster this is after mithrix?

[lavish jacinth]

It would have to be one of these 3, they're the only things between mithrix and the golem chimera. They're all dlc, but I think there's a bug where dlc monsters can sometimes show up as locked even if you don't own the dlc

[prisma birch]

:(

why hopoo games

[lavish jacinth]

*gearbox

[vast solar]

So uh question i went through the artifact portal and im new to the game since i started like 3 days ago so uh where did it take me…

[steady stone]

youre in the ambry now assuming it's the right portal, enemies have a chance to drop artifact keys
each key gets rid of 25% of the "boss" HP, which is the artifact

[vast solar]

I dont see any enemies tho

[steady stone]

if youre looped REALLY far, the credits can be strange and take a while to spawn a scavenger

[vast solar]

well this is just my first run

[steady stone]

loops are one run, the scaling is from your stage count and timer

[vast solar]

Ohhh

[steady stone]

like, if you were in a high stage count with a lot of time, the ambry struggles to spawn scavengers

[vast solar]

well i have the artifact key

and its in max difficulty and i just dont see any enemies around

[steady stone]

the center thing is what youre trying to weaken, to use that key on

[vast solar]

stage 6 im in too

[steady stone]

ah, might just be something else then

[steady stone]

but using 1 key gets rid of the rest, dont stack them

[vast solar]

NVM IT SPAWNED IT

I MEAN ENEMIES CAME OUT

[lavish jacinth]

Man I gotta stop trying to keep up with chat while I'm on mobile lol

[steady stone]

slow typer? got ya beat haha

[vast solar]

Also thank you for the help btw

[steady stone]

(i wont be much better soon, im about to go to mobile)

[lavish jacinth]

It doesn't help that autocorrect is fighting me on every other word lol

But yeah, you gotta feed artifact keys to the ball thing in the center to damage it and unlock the artifact, the first one starts the event and then keys will randomly drop from enemies

[vast solar]

Tbh this game was the best purchase i made for only 16 dollars with the dlc its been so much fun and worth it

[steady stone]

gotta go for the 100%, i only played this game for a month when i got it

[vast solar]

I tried beating false son…until i realized he has a second phase

[marble magnet]

How do I get prime meridians logbook

[primal vector]

Its above the starting point

[pallid mirage]

Oh Great Fax machine give me a character to play today

Jiji I've only been playing bandit lately

[pallid mirage]

Okay y'all win

[marble magnet]

Ight

Gang how do I like use long standing solitude effectively

Like say I pick it up at level 20 would it make me level up by how long the level 20 level up takes?

I know crazy follow up question but

[vale hollow]

Once you pick up lss, any gold you pick up gives a bunch of xp. So if you have anything like ghors tome, roll of pennies, or brittle crown, you level up REALLY fast. I don't know what level is optimal to pick it up at, but I think it's good at eny level if you have one of those gold increasing items.

[marble magnet]

Oki

[feral notch]

get longstanding solitude (1 or 2 are enough to have enough purchases for the rest of your run), and get a LOT of brittle crowns, the more the better

doesn't really matter at which level you get it since longstanding solitude makes every level require the same amount of xp anyway

[neat cloak]

How long do I have to risk my rain until I 2?

[ivory wagon]

Why are seeker and false son allowed to be the way they are

[steady stone]

the developers have acknowledged that they are strong and are okay with it, being a singleplayer (optional multiplayer) pve game

[hoary sedge]

technically the way lss works kinda bypasses the XP system entirely. iirc every time you collect a small chests worth of gold it just gives you 15% of the XP you need for the next level, no matter how much that is

[still mural]

What's the best item to imitate the chaingun part of Spare Drone Parts?

[agile crystal]

[still mural]

What about the shockrunner boomerang?

[kindred herald]

probably electric boomerangs

[pallid mirage]

I know, you can play how you want but Idky I feel the need to be godly on monsoon

[pallid mirage]

What i mean is I don't have to play monsoon but I play it anyways even though most of my runs are just fails

[high parcel]

might want to play on normal till most of your runs arent fails

if not, you might just spend a lot of unnecesary time bashing your head against a wall

[pallid mirage]

I always loop instead instead of obliterating or fighting mithrix

[kindred herald]

if you don’t end your run then it will die

[bitter ether]

what do u guys do to "counter" rng, or how do i put it?
I have a method, but idk if there are more fun/efficient ones
basically, I rush through every stage as fast as i can, so enemies dont scale, and i can kill stuff just with my characters damage
then enter artifact of command / sacrifice, and start looping after getting good items

I was full clearing every stage as a beginner, but that can be frustrating, like there was a point where I had 9 lepton daisies, 5 warbanners, 3 personal shield generators, 5 steaks in my inventory, with like no damage items, at stage 5

[lavish jacinth]

full clearing is the most reliable way to do it imo, and that's pretty much the consensus for most people

[bitter ether]

hmmm

idk there were many runs where i full cleared every stage, and went to mithrix with nearly 0 damage items

[lavish jacinth]

and making use of scrappers, printers and cauldrons whenever possible, keeping an eye out for items like executive card and recycler, stuff like that

[bitter ether]

yea I did that

but sometimes the game just doesnt give u anything

[lavish jacinth]

sometimes you do just have to power through a bad run on pure skill

but that's part of the fun, it'd be boring if the game just handed you a good run every single time

[bitter ether]

yea but if ur at like, stage 4, and u spent a good amount of time clearing stages

enemies will have millions of hp, to the point where u have to shoot at a golem for 2 mins

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it's pretty rare for a run to be THAT bad, unless you're horribly inefficient with your time

full clearing and getting at least 1 item per minute is a good rule of thumb

[bitter ether]

I got a run like this ~10 times in a row 😭

while playing with my beginner friend

[lavish jacinth]

being in multiplayer does increase enemy scaling by about 50% per player

[bitter ether]

then ofc when i play alone, i have 3 atgs, max crit, 4 tritip daggers, by stage 2

and now i have to convince my friend that the game isnt ass

[lavish jacinth]

you also get about 50% more loot but still

[bitter ether]

eh that shouldnt matter much if u have good items

[bitter ether]

i had a run today where i was deleting everything on the map just by walking (tracking wisps + stuff i mentioned above + snowstorm)

[lavish jacinth]

I've had plenty of runs like that too, and plenty of bad ones

and full clearing has always felt more consistent than rushing, and it makes more sense mathematically too. Enemies get stronger with stage count as well as time so you really wanna make the most of every stage

[bitter ether]

yea but that depends on what the game gives u

with my strat, ur guaranteed to have good items

[lavish jacinth]

using bulwarks' to guarantee a god run is a strat I guess, but it just feels cheesy to me

[bitter ether]

but it feels weird to bring my beginner friend to the console and farm artifact for items

[lavish jacinth]

like, play the game however you want, but it's not what I'd do personally

[bitter ether]

so i felt like i ask here

[bitter ether]

yea its definietly cheesy

[lavish jacinth]

it's not fun cheese either, you're basically just ignoring the intended gameplay in favor of using an easy op strat

[bitter ether]

i think the intended gameplay is to have items tho

the hp values are balanced around that

[lavish jacinth]

which you get from stages

[bitter ether]

thats why it becomes nearly impossible to continue stages if u have no dmg items and enemies scaled

[lavish jacinth]

it's never impossible to beat stages

[bitter ether]

cause they took proc chains and stuff while designing values

[lavish jacinth]

enemy hp does cap at level 99 except for final bosses, but their scaling also slows down at that point and is loosely adapted to the player's dps

there's no "fail state" where it's genuinely impossible to continue a run

[bitter ether]

i think ur talking about a different stuff, lvl 99 is usually hit after hours of looping, no?
I mean like, if ur ~30 min at stage 4-5

and if u have no dmg items, it can take minutes to kill a single enemy

[lavish jacinth]

maybe on drizzle, monsoon hits level 99 within loop 2 usually

and having a run with "no damage items" is also like, astronomically rare

[bitter ether]

we had 10 astronomically rare runs 😭

[lavish jacinth]

like more than a third of the items in the game are damage

[bitter ether]

i know right

[lavish jacinth]

maybe they're not all "good" damage items like atg or whatever

but you can find ways to make a run work with weird stuff like fireworks or razorwire or whatever

[bitter ether]

and what we saw were
bandoiler bandoiler leptondaisy squidpolyp bandoiler psg meat

[bitter ether]

yea i know, i would have been happy with those

but yea I guess theres no other way to counter a bad rng run, this was my question

[lavish jacinth]

scrap the leptons, psgs and steak, maybe bandoliers if your characters can't use them, look out for for the squid polyp and hit up the bazaar every stage to hopefully get a good cauldron, you can also use void fields to get some extra loot

and lunar items are always an option too

[bitter ether]

ok i genuenly didnt know about the coffee machine thing

[lavish jacinth]

it's a dlc item

[bitter ether]

is that viable? 🤯

I mean I know, i just havent thought about using it that way

[lavish jacinth]

I've done runs based around it

[bitter ether]

but seems interesting

[lavish jacinth]

squid polyp builds are hilarious

they have absurdly strong knockback, especially when you stack them to get their fire rate up

https://youtu.be/dUO-2uXqvog?si=nkfULhb1-W0OR1Qf mithrix can't even get close lol

[bitter ether]

yea void fields are also a valid option

[lavish jacinth]

(specifically my strat here was killing polyps with diablo strike to get ghosts of them from and then keeping them alive with bungus)

[bitter ether]

bruuuh

[lavish jacinth]

it's not the highest damage ever but it's absolutely a viable option

[bitter ether]

uh are ghosts better than alive polyps?

[lavish jacinth]

just a little bit, mask ghosts get a 1500% damage bonus lol

[bitter ether]

oooooooh

[lavish jacinth]

and they're invincible except for their own health decay, which can be healed

[bitter ether]

wow

btw i see theres this new dlc called survivors of the void, are their items good?

I bought the first dlc, but i keep it disabled cause most items are just hinderance in the loot pool (except some void ones, and the watch)

[lavish jacinth]

Survivors of the Void is the first one

[bitter ether]

oooh

yea the seekers one is the new one

[lavish jacinth]

the new dlc is seekers of the storm, and yeah, it's good

a little buggy but the items are solid

[lavish jacinth]

they're a bit of a mix, there are some really good ones and really bad ones

my experience with SotV runs is that they're kinda more extreme, like the good ones are really good but the bad ones are abysmal. I feel like it kinda averages out though

[bitter ether]

yea same

[lavish jacinth]

I think the good ways out the bad though personally, all it takes is one or two good void items to turn a run around

or getting and winning automatically lol

[bitter ether]

yea plasma shrimp is kinda insane, same for polylute

idk if collapse is better than bleed, back when i was playing, it was bad when the player was using it, and it was super unbalanced when the enemy was using it

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's because it deals base damage, and enemy base damage is really weird and inconsistent.
Like, stone titans have 40 base damage (+8 per level) giving them some of the highest base damage in the game. But their abilities all deal a really tiny % of that, like I think the laser only does 10% per tick

but if they stick collapse on you, it deals a stupid amount of damage

on players though it depends a lot

collapse does more damage up front, but bleed stacks better

so collapse is good on survivors like Acrid who can get a lot of procs, but don't usually focus one target for a long time like say, Commando would

[bitter ether]

oh, does his poison repeatedly proc items?

or just once with epidemic

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't

but he gets a lot of procs just from epidemic itself and his other skills

[bitter ether]

oh yea i see

and a single stack of collapse is better than a single stack of bleed

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

if you want the math, it takes around 9 seconds for bleed to start doing more damage than collapse, assuming they're being applied at the same rate

so if you can't consistently keep bleed going for 9 seconds then collapse is probably better

[bitter ether]

oooh

I see, thats good to know
most enemies dont live 9 seconds if i start shooting at him with max bleed captain

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's the other thing, bleed tends to be better against tanky enemies that can actually survive the damage. Collapse doing a big burst of damage right away can kill enemies faster than bleed slowly ramping up

tritip:
needletick:
either:
n/a (scrap tritip):
there's some wiggle room in there, especially with the SotS survivors, but that's how I usually see it

[bitter ether]

ooh great, ima save this

i always went bleed with bandit tho

and shatterspleen

bandit can do both then I guess...?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, shatterspleen is great on bandit

[bitter ether]

like if i crit with shatterspleen + collapse item, I apply both collapse and bleed

[lavish jacinth]

and technically you should always take needletick if you have spleen and good crit, since you can't apply two stacks of bleed at once from spleen+tritip

[bitter ether]

oooooh, I didnt know that i cant do both at the same time

[lavish jacinth]

it used to be possible but they changed it when SotV came out

[bitter ether]

yea i stopped playing when it came out, i just heard that it even broke the basegame completely

[lavish jacinth]

...possibly because can let you get quad bleed lmao

[lavish jacinth]

SotS is the one that broke the basegame

[bitter ether]

oooh right

i meant that, I keep mixing it up

[lavish jacinth]

yeah the acronyms are similar lol

[lavish jacinth]

I put bandit under needletick just because the reload time on his primary and his hit-and-run playstyle makes it a little harder for him to stack bleed, even moreso if you're using the shotgun because of the 0.5 proc coeff (proc coefficient also affects debuff duration, so you get half the bleed chance and it lasts half as long)

but like I said, there's some wiggle room

shatterspleen doesn't care about proc coeff though since it's tied to crits. The duration is still affected but it's guaranteed as long as you get a crit

[bitter ether]

ooh wow, i also didnt know that proc coeff affects duration
but yea, good to know

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[frail moon]

What's the better primary for bandit? The shotgun or rifle?

[lavish jacinth]

pros and cons to each, shotgun has higher raw damage but rifle has infinite range and higher proc potential

if I had to pick one I'd say shotgun because damage is damage, but it's up to preference and playstyle

[frail moon]

You're a gentleman and a scholar. I just got the game

[lavish jacinth]

np

[bitter ether]

i just looked at the new dlcs items on wiki, they really seem good, like all of them

except maybe the one that spawns speed orbs

[lavish jacinth]

antlers are a little annoying to use, but they can potentially give more move speed per stack than any other common speed item

and at least it's not lol

[bitter ether]

yea I really hate most of the void dlc

[lavish jacinth]

but yeah, the seekers items basically range from good to great

whereas SotV items range from game-breaking to actual garbage

[bitter ether]

are the new surivors good in the new dlc btw? I heard that chef is kinda unfinished

[lavish jacinth]

ok so

1. chef was unfinished on release, but he's been reworked and is pretty damn good now

2. the other 2 survivors are unbelievably fucking broken

[bitter ether]

oooooh, seems interesting

[lavish jacinth]

especially , like I don't know what they were smoking when they made her

multiple skills that can act as a giant nuke, on-demand invincibility, mobility than can rival Loader, a built-in , she can fucking revive herself (and teammates) once per stage for free, and more

[kindred herald]

really? It has really high item quality

[kindred herald]

I will say that I think if you don’t have any tri tips it’s usually still good to take needletick regardless of survivor
the chance of bleed later is usually not worth the guarantee of collapse damage

[lavish jacinth]

depends on the situation for me

if it's early in the run and I'm playing someone who benefits heavily from bleed like commando, then I'd probably gamble on getting tritips later

but yeah, needletick can still be great even on survivors where it's not optimal

[kindred herald]

i think the difference between the two isn’t large enough for me personally to want to make that gamble— damage is damage

[lavish jacinth]

up to preference ig

I will say that with all of the SotS items in the pool now, the chances of getting a tritip are lower than they used to be

[bitter ether]

just bought the dlc and finished first stage with her, wtf shes so op

maybe not as op as loader but still op

[lavish jacinth]

...nah, she's definitely better than loader imo

keep in mind that this achievement exists and is reasonable to do

[bitter ether]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaah

idk what that abilty is, is that the self-damaging one?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[kindred herald]

how long do you have to be in there do it

[lavish jacinth]

for every second that you're in it, it deals an additional +500% damage, and the radius increases over time and with tranquility stacks

[lavish jacinth]

depends on how many damage multipliers you have and how many enemies you hit

also negates the self-damage almost entirely due to a bug, so you can stay in it practically forever with it lol

[bitter ether]

yea i can see that now, idk why shes so op, was she buffed recently?

this is like when cupercell releases a new card and makes it obscenely op so people buy it

in clash royale

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, and she was already pretty strong before the buff

her self-revive used to just be a reusable per stage, which was already pretty good, and they also buffed the damage of a few of her skills

[bitter ether]

uh the game just said "you hear thunder rumbling"

[lavish jacinth]

ah yeah, that means there's a halcyon shrine somewhere on the stage

[bitter ether]

im at the blue portal

[lavish jacinth]

ah

[bitter ether]

oooooooooooooooooooo

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, hidden in random spots in the bazaar there are 3 gold geodes you can break, which will summon a green portal that leads to the new dlc stages. Halcyon shrines also give you a green portal, so the "you hear thunder rumbling" thing basically just means there's a way to get a green portal somewhere

[lavish jacinth]

neat
worth doing if you wanna unlock one of the other characters

it requires beating the dlc final boss while having in your inventory

[bitter ether]

ooooh

also are there any items that make this character good, or is everything good for survivor?

[lavish jacinth]

everything is good on her lol

[bitter ether]

im thinking about bleed /collapse being kinda bad, cause she shoots kinda slow

[lavish jacinth]

she's not the best character for a bleed/collapse-based build, but they're not bad on her

[hoary sedge]

the alt m2 and utility hit pretty quickly but on base kit they're not as helpful yeah

not like awful but scrappable for sure

[bitter ether]

ooh i got the alt m2, maybe ima switch to that if thats better

[lavish jacinth]

it usually is

[hoary sedge]

(she also runs into the problem of doing so much damage that bleed/collapse doesn't really get a chance to do much damage lmao)

[lavish jacinth]

also true lmao

when half of your kit turns you into a living nuke that tends to happen

[hoary sedge]

true...

[bitter ether]

WTF

i pressed rightclick a few times, i got some orbs, and now i delete a golem in 1 sec if i stand near it

[lavish jacinth]

yup

[bitter ether]

oo u said that this item is good

but yea this survivor feels like a fanmade op character

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's a bit of an autowin

if you've never used it before, it gives a huge buffs to drones and other robotic minions

[bitter ether]

ooooh wow

[kindred herald]

oh wait it counts hitting multiple enemies? I thought it had to be on one guy lmao

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it adds up the total amount dealt, not just one hit

[kindred herald]

I have been making this way to hard for myself then lmao

[chrome mist]

what is the plus 1 in the UI from

[lavish jacinth]

shrine of shaping, it gives you a temporary extra life for one stage at the cost of 30% max hp

[chrome mist]

never noticed it added that icon in

[modern mantle]

does benthic bloom affect yellow items?

[lavish jacinth]

no, only white and green

[modern mantle]

alrighty

[weary cloud]

Do spare drone parts affect enginee turrets

[lavish jacinth]

yep

they affect any minion as long as it's some kind of robot, so turrets, empathy cores, and goobo jr (if it's cloning something that also has the mechanical tag) will all get affected

[modern mantle]

how rare is his spiteful boon is it the same for each other aspect?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, 1/4000, affected by luck

[modern mantle]

ohhhhh so the 57 leaf clover can actually affect that drop or no?

[lavish jacinth]

yep, and purity would make it worse

[modern mantle]

alrighty makes sense because im using sacrifice rn

[lavish jacinth]

sacrifice drop rates aren't affected by luck for the record, but elite aspect drops are separate from sac drops

[modern mantle]

yeahh i thought so because that would be a bit much

[kindred herald]

arent goobo mult and rex also effected

[lavish jacinth]

goobo jr (if it's cloning something that also has the mechanical tag)

that includes the robot survivors

[weary cloud]

Would gooboo Mul-t count?? For drone parts

Bc hes a robot

[weary cloud]

oh

ok thank you!!!

[modern mantle]

is this a known bug for lemurians in the log or what?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, iirc it's because their stats get overwritten by the lems from devotion or something

[modern mantle]

cuz its constantly like this and my friend had the same issue although he bought the game recently

[modern mantle]

ahhh how peculiar

[lavish jacinth]

ror2's logbook is a buggy mess lol

[pallid mirage]

Okay lunar pillars on the moon how do I deal with the chimera cause I just got jumped bad

[ivory wagon]

Don't get hit

[lavish jacinth]

first, try to kill as many of the map-spawned enemies as you can before starting them (mainly wisp chimeras), spawnrates on commencement are really slow after the initial wave so it helps a lot

for mass and design just keep using cover, you'll probably have to leave the charging zone occasionally but that's fine

blood is pretty easy, just make sure there's no immediate danger as you're charging it

for soul, pray to whatever you believe in lmao

try to kill exploders outside the charging zone and just hope that no wisps chimeras spawn

[placid eagle]

Can radar scanner be used to find logbooks?

[lavish jacinth]

they can find radio scanners, but not the book logbooks in hidden realms iirc

I think they just use the chest icon? radar scanner icons have been pretty borked lately tho

[pallid mirage]

Alright kinda sped through to the moon again and the same thing happened I don't understand what to do or I'm just ass with band or something

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, there's a reason everybody hates pillars

[pallid mirage]

Idk if it's the game or bandit but my runs just have been garbage after I redownloaded the game, and I'm kinda just shocked

Pillars have always been tedious and obnoxious but I'm getting just swarmed

[lavish jacinth]

it does get easier with practice, I can't stress enough how much difference cover and space management makes, especially with the wisp chimeras. Having some drones to take aggro also helps a lot as always

[pallid mirage]

I'll buy a lot of drones then see if it'll help

[lavish jacinth]

they definitely make a difference

especially with bandit, his cloak tends to be a lot more effective when enemies have something else to target

they still get updates on your position once every second while invisible so they can still kinda see you, but being cloaked also makes them much more likely to change target if there's anything else for them to attack

[frank sparrow]

is there a item that increases duration of debuffs

[lavish jacinth]

no

[frank sparrow]

ok

[clear whale]

they should replace pillars with pills

[frank sparrow]

why whenever i play acrid my attacks hit like 3x i think its one of my items

i think its maybe noxius thorn or ukelele anyone know?

[lavish jacinth]

wdym they hit 3x

[frank sparrow]

lit my r and m2 will like hit multiple times? not the poison proc

idrk how to explain it

[lavish jacinth]

can you post a clip or screenshot of your items? You'll need a role to post it, #roles

[frank sparrow]

yeah ill try

[frank sparrow]

i think it was a one time bug

but is blight or poison better on acrid?

[lavish jacinth]

poison

blight isn't unusable and it can outdamage poison in the early game, but overall it just doesn't compete with poison dealing %hp damage in the long run

[visual turtle]

Are there still any bugs involving Wecho preventing OSP or is it fully fixed? Seeing mixed answers on the wiki & online

[steady stone]

seems like it can just kill you still

it took an embarrassingly long time to get that brass bell to actually hit me

but the first hit knocks me down to OSP, the second to 1hp, the third kill

why it took me down to 1hp, i couldnt tell ya

[glacial knoll]

OSP was fixed but the latest patch bugged it again

Only the last hit of echo is lethal that's why it only went to 1 hp

[vast solar]

Yo question im engineer rn and i have 55 artifacts and i found a harolyc shrine to go fight the false son should i do it?

[steady stone]

55 artifacts?

I mean, if you can get a and go fight false son go for it, if you need the unlock

[vast solar]

Yeah stage 5 rn

[visual turtle]

Seriously? That's so wack. Thanks for the the help both of you

[steady stone]

well yeah, but what do you mean "artifacts?" like a mod that adds more?

i.e. artifact of command

[vast solar]

Oh sorry i call them artifacts i think i meant to say item

55 items

[steady stone]

ahh, ok

yeah, generally if you have more items than minutes elapsed you're doing good

[vast solar]

48 minutes in

[marble magnet]

Artifact Of delusion

Does recycler change what you have to guess? Say you turn a PSG into a energy drink

Would you have to still guess for a PSG?

[glacial knoll]

Delusion sets the item based on whatever item is picked up so post Recycle

or last item grabbed with sale star

[marble magnet]

So id have to guess energy drink instead yes?

Or an I reading wrong ;W;

[glacial knoll]

yeah energy

[marble magnet]

Ight

[vast solar]

Thank you btw i got the seed

Oh i looped

[steady stone]

Yes, anything other than the normal teleporter will loop you

That's good anyway if you want to fight false son

You can visit the Bazaar and try to dream for the Colossus path

[vast solar]

Ooo

Thanks ill keep that in mind

Also what would be a good choice MUL T or engineer btw? Ive been going with engineer and things have been going good idk if MUL T is a good choice aswell

[quasi topaz]

Engi is one of the more brain dead picks

Every character is usable but some are definitely better than others

[steady stone]

If you had to rank them on a tier list, putting any character under B would be a crime
They all just play different, some people enjoy different ones

[vast solar]

Yeah tbh i enjoy engi cause more of a defence guy

[austere bay]

how exactly does Sonorous Whispers work in multiplayer? Is it "on kill" cause a boss earlier didn't drop an item

[steady stone]

the teammate without sonorous probably killed it

[austere bay]

so it is on kill then?

[steady stone]

yeah

[austere bay]

glorpshit item lmao

[steady stone]

"While holding this item, killing a boss will always cause an item to spawn. Additionally, elite enemies have a 5% chance (+1% per stack) to drop an item on death."

[steady stone]

free items idk

[austere bay]

*for multiplayer

[round crane]

@steady stone or @mellow crystal wanna play plis i wanna test loader

[bitter ether]

yooo i have an issue

me and my friend were able to play yesterday, but now we cant, it shows that we are in 1 lobbby in the lobby screen, but not in character sleection

during character selection, thegame kicks the non-host out

[quasi topaz]

Are you both on the same platform (pc&pc or console&console)

[bitter ether]

yea

we have the same dlcs too

[quasi topaz]

When exactly does the game kick the non host, is it as soon as you enter character select, is it when you try to switch characters, is it when you try to start the game?

[vast solar]

I got acrid is he good?

[quasi topaz]

One of the more brain dead characters

Spam poison and don't get hit is all you need to do

[trim lynx]

acrid is good

[vast solar]

how many braindead characters are there 💀(got the game like 3 days ago)

[trim lynx]

poison is very nice

[quasi topaz]

Loader, acrid, engi, seeker, false son are the main ones that come to mind

Turn brain off and go

[long oriole]

Hello, I am coming to ask if there is a reliable, designed way to dodge false son's dash attack on his first phase. Specificaly, without any dash and not a lot of Movement speed. I saw a lot of ideas like running towards him, running vertically, but....It never quite worked, and I just feel like it's mostly a 50/50 on if I die or not.

So, if anyone has found the best way to dodge that, It would save me a lot of runs, thanks ❤️

[vast solar]

Same issue with me lmao

Im tryibg to beat him aswell

[quasi topaz]

With a lot of enemies the easiest way to dodge most attacks is to gain a lot of height

[vast solar]

tbh the best way i found to fight him is to have alot of drones

[long oriole]

I mean sure but, to be frank it doesn't really help with the issue since there isn't a lot of characters who can do that. I mean, I saw a guy 3 month ago saying that you just have to jump backward but I guess that was the old version ?

[vast solar]

He mainly targets them

[long oriole]

No I get you but I'm really trying to learn the pattern so I don't even take damage. I know there are some attacks in this game that are borderline undodgable if you don't have enough movement speed but I don't think they just said "lol let's add a dash that can't be dodged if you don't have a movement ability" to a boss

[quasi topaz]

Mithrix phase 3 hammer slam on e7 and up. This man wave dashes to you and insta slams

[vast solar]

I found bandit and engineer most affective against him and i get what you mean like i try running away and he just instantly punishes me from behind

[vast solar]

Pause btw

[long oriole]

to be frank if you go to mitrix with no movement item your cooked

[vast solar]

Truuueeee(i havent faced him yet)

[quasi topaz]

Some characters can deal but most get screwed

[long oriole]

Yeaaah, I get what you mean. I know the DLC is still new but I can't accept the fact that nobody seems to have the answer

[vast solar]

Honestly if u wanna be affective

Use engi with bands

[long oriole]

It's a bit frustrating to die against the boss, and not really know what I did wrong or could've done. Even after facing him 82 times, his dash still is THE attack I do not understand. And the wiki do not help with that

[vast solar]

If you get the happiest mask you are sweep his second phase easy

[long oriole]

Eeeeeh I already finished my Eclipse 8 with Engi, I'm trying to do Captain right now, he has no mobility

[quasi topaz]

Honestly at this point just loop a few times and then fight him, you'll be so blatantly overpowered his attacks won't matter

[long oriole]

I'm sorry but...it's really not my point.

What i'm saying isn't " I want to win against him", because clearly the boss isn't really hard. What i'm saying is "Is there a way to dodge his dash with basic movement".

For exemple, Mitrix wave dash is fine after you've played a lot since you usually get a feeling on where and how he is gonna do it. You can run at him and time a jump etc etc.
Or, against some bosses, there are clearly a defined way you are supposed to dodge them.

But false son have this dash attack, which basically TP him somewhere next to you. I do not know where i'm supposed to move to dodge this.

And that's my point.

My question, sorry

[vast solar]

Honestly i can only see using hoop feathers to work

Cause the moment he teleports

You could try jumping to avoid it

Dont know if it will be fast enough tho

oh wait…what about huntress?

[long oriole]

Yeah but then does that means if you don't have that specific item you automaticly die to the dash ?
So i'm searching of a way to naturally dodge it.

[vast solar]

Her teleport can send u away from him but cooldown might be slacky

[long oriole]

No movement ability

[vast solar]

hmmmmm

uhhh welll i have no clue in my end

[long oriole]

Yeah don't worry, thanks tho

[lavish jacinth]

My strat with fs is to just play around the pillars as much as possible, try to always keep one between you and him

[vast solar]

tbh this game is rng,skill and items combined so idk where to go

[long oriole]

YOu'll get it dw, it can be hard at first but I'm sure you'll do fine

[vast solar]

Your talking about the stone pillars not the geo ones righr?

[long oriole]

yes

[long oriole]

Mhhhh, you think I should just use the stones as cover for the first phase ?

[lavish jacinth]

Well ideally you wanna be near both so you can hit the geodes when you need them, but yeah, use the stone pillars for dodging

[long oriole]

mmmh, and you found no other way to dodge the dash if you don't have the pillards nearby ?

[lavish jacinth]

None that are super consistent other than just running away and hoping for the best lol

But that's kind of the point of the fight, you don't play as aggressively as you would with mithrix and focus on managing all the stuff the throws at you

It's not usually that hard to stay near pillars, there are plenty of them

[long oriole]

mmmmh, I will try this, tho I am still really eager to know if there is a way to dodge it with enough speed, without the pillards

Thanks for the help. Oh, wait

[lavish jacinth]

Oh yeah, and drones help a ton, for some reason he seems to always prioritize them over the player

[long oriole]

Yes )

[lavish jacinth]

I definitely don't know fs as well as I know mithrix, but I feel like the dash usually isn't a problem in my runs so I'm pretty sure the pillar strat works lmao

[vast solar]

Tbh i kinda like how the game completely punishes the players with the bosses its kinda like a no brainer

Not in a weird way of course its just more of a challenge compared to others

[lavish jacinth]

Was that an insult lmao

[long oriole]

NO that wasn't I was looking for something but did not found it

[lavish jacinth]

Ah ok lol

[long oriole]

I saw someone playing Mul-T 3 month ago just jumping backwards and the false sun just did a mini dash

Was it before the rework ?

[lavish jacinth]

It might've been

[quasi topaz]

False son is just a really buggy and inconsistent fight

[lavish jacinth]

Or it was in phase 2-3 of the fight when the dash is a lot less aggressive

[vast solar]

Btw im in stage 5 with 67 items and im playing engi and i came across the artifact portal was it? Should i go through it?

[primal vector]

If you want to unlock an artifact yes. You wont be able to go to the final boss without looping though

(Going to the artifact ambry makes you loop)

[vast solar]

Hmmmmm tbh ill go through it

[kindred herald]

the artifact portal loops the run and unlocks a artifact depending on the code you input into it (which can be found on the wiki or scattered around the game). artifacts are basically modifiers you can attach to your runs in the future

[bitter ether]

D

[tawny raft]

wth is this? 🧐
just randomly found it on the ground and I cannot find it in the logbook

[trim lynx]

its an elite aspect

1/4000 drop from elites that makes you the elite type!

theres one for each type except voidtouched

[lavish jacinth]

*minus the stat bonuses that elites normally get

they're not in the logbook because they're kind of an easter egg, and collecting all of them for 100% completion would be incredibly tedious

sadly most of them suck, but Silence is actually one of the good ones

[tawny raft]

so what does this type do?

[lavish jacinth]

turns you into an overloading elite, half of your health is converted to shield and all of your attacks create a lightning orb thing that explodes for 50% total damage

it's basically a slightly weaker

[tawny raft]

would you say it's better than Sawmerang?

[lavish jacinth]

depends, sawmerang can be insanely strong if you build around it

but honestly it's kinda fun to keep the aspect just for the novelty of it

[tawny raft]

noice, ty!

[weak shale]

I have a question how the FUCK do you pronounce 'artificer'

[mellow crystal]

Hi hello I'm very late to this conversation but better late than never ig 😭
If you want to consistently dodge the dash on every survivor without pillar bumping, then you will need either 2 , 1 , or 1 . From there, just turn around and start sprinting away from him when he's about to dash, then jump right before he slams, after teleporting

If you don't wanna rely on items, then that's a survivor-to-survivor basis, for a quick reference I have a tierlist on how well every survivor does itemless against phase 1

[fallen bridge]

i say it kinda like "ar-ti-fiss-er"

[mellow crystal]

art-i-fyce-r or art-i-fiss-er
"fyce" as in like, "fight"

[weak shale]

hmm ok I cause I say art I fyce er

[high forum]

ar-tuh-fih-sur

[weak shale]

I checked on Google and apparently it's pronounced ar-ti-fi-ser

[steady stone]

the hard part is fihse or fighse

[weak shale]

and it sounds so wrong

[high forum]

it's like the 'ice' in 'practice'

[mellow crystal]

and if you're referring to this, then that's because of chronobauble, slow effects affect his dash distance

[long oriole]

Omg thanks ! I'll look into it !

[mellow crystal]

ofc, always glad to help
especially with fs since i have way too much practice and way too much fun with that fight 😭

[lavish jacinth]

could be worse, I have a friend who always puts the emphasis on the first R for some reason. "Are- tif'ser"

I've always said arti-fiss-er tho, arti-fyce sounds weird to me

[mellow crystal]

fyce is probably just a language/accent thing tbh

[lavish jacinth]

probably yeah

[high forum]

i've also heard it as 'ar-TIH-fih-sur"

which seems crazy to me but

[frank sparrow]

what does the "you here thunder rumbling" thing mean

[steady stone]

You can do Colossus path

I.e. there's a shrine that stage

Or the Bazaar has the geodes

It helps with resetting for Colossus path things to open chat to see if youll even get a halcyon shrine that stage

[long oriole]

I'll still try because it feels odd to just run away)

[kindred herald]

in most scenarios yes

[scarlet sleet]

double nailgun based

I tried false son on eclipse 7

[limber idol]

what is a good red item to pick and what does it do? im new to the game and all i go with is the daggers and dios best friend and im scared to pick anything else

this also applys to lunar items, they all have a downside and I dont wanna ruin a run but picking one that sucks

[lavish jacinth]

are all pretty solid "when in doubt" picks, but you can feel free to experiment and just try stuff out. If you're running command then it's pretty hard to screw up a build beyond repair by picking one bad item (except maybe with lunars)

[steady stone]

most items are situational, based on character, other items, etc, and the fear of picking something bad i would guess is making you run sort of similar runs over and over
for that problem as a whole, id recommend playing some no artifact runs

[lavish jacinth]

lunars are a little different because they can all be good under the right circumstances, but you always have to be aware of the tradeoffs and know how to deal with them

[lavish jacinth]

^^^^^^ I usually recommend not playing with command when you're still learning what items do, it forces you to experiment and figure stuff out rather than just sticking to a handful of "comfortable" items

you don't have to ofc but I think it teaches you stuff a lot faster than playing with command does

if you do wanna know what everything does though, this is a lot easier than explaining every item lol https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Items

[steady stone]

losing is to be expected when starting, because honestly, knowledge and experience play a bigger role than luck

[limber idol]

lol, thanks for the advice

that does make sense. i almost always go with mercenary, loader or artificer, so with those first two i just stack solder syringes till i cant see where im going then get clapped by myth
rix

[steady stone]

ah, syringe on loader is the problem lol

[lavish jacinth]

yea, something about items in ror2 is that it's always better to mix a bunch of different things than just stacking one or two items

[steady stone]

there's 2 types of damage items, total and base damage too

[limber idol]

amen, im almost always left dead and have to watch my better friends become gods while I spectate

[steady stone]

base damage is better on commando with his weak shots, using his stats, while loader has the same base damage but with a 2700 punch, meaning total damage is better

[lavish jacinth]

items are kinda designed with randomness in mind, you're meant to get a bunch of different effects that can build on each other

[steady stone]

i.e. ATG doing 300% means off of a 2700 punch, the rocket would do 8100

and anything that does damage based off of "base damage" refers to this

[limber idol]

ok, so if it multiplys base damage, it goes off of the stats the character has off the bat?

[lavish jacinth]

loader doesn't get a lot of benefit from attack speed because most of her damage comes from her huge charged punch, and the best thing for that are reliable damage multipliers like

[steady stone]

off the start/with leveling

that's why commando excels with tritip, having a fast firing primary with 1.0 proc coeff and medium/low damage

[lavish jacinth]

basically:
"base damage" = flat amount of damage that increases with your level
"total damage" = only used by on-hit effects, and is a % of the hit that procced it

[steady stone]

total damage is arguably better in every way just because of proc chains

thank you Casey, ive been stealing this image for over a year now

pinned just barely over a year ago in the discussion channel

[limber idol]

I have heard that word "proc chain" a lot, what exactly does it mean?

[lavish jacinth]

(for the record, you don't need to know all of the nerd shit right off the ba, unless you're into that kind of thing lol)

[limber idol]

i very much am into that kind of thing

[lavish jacinth]

like that image shows, one item procs another item which procs another item which procs another item

since most procs deal a % of the hit that procced them, that can potentially lead to exponentially increasing damage

[steady stone]

if you use your 2700 punch, the atg can proc doing the 8100, and then say sticky bomb procs off of the atg, doing 180% of the ATG, or 14580 (i think)

add the punch, atg, and sticky bomb together to just nuke stuff

[limber idol]

oh shi thats actually kind of sick

i didnt even think of that

[steady stone]

but that's just why it's better to diversify your items

damage multipliers also kinda work like that

[lavish jacinth]

and that's why mixing effects is so important, you get WAY more damage output from items multiplying each other than if you just stack one thing

[steady stone]

youll get more value out of a watch and focus crystal than 2 watches

[limber idol]

that actually makes so much sence

i normally just stack the same 5 items

[steady stone]

standard runs will teach you more good/bad interactions too

like if your first interaction of is with , it's bad, but if it's with , etc...

[limber idol]

yea, all my runs so far have been with the artifact of command and sacrifice so i always just chain the same items

[lavish jacinth]

also, damage multipliers like etc. apply their bonus to any damage that meets their condition, but the condition gets checked for each individual instance of damage.
So like if you hit an enemy within focus crystal range and proc an atg, the atg will get a bonus from focus crystal, but only if the missile also lands within crystal's range. If it flies off and hits something else, then it doesn't benefit.
Or like if your first hit on an enemy gets them below the 90% threshold for crowbar, any procs from that hit won't get crowbars bonus

[limber idol]

there is so much i have to learn ab this game

and i am so here for it

[lavish jacinth]

it's a great game if you like getting deep into stats and game mechanics lol

[limber idol]

I was big into deep rock galactic before this but i never got into the mechanics like i have with this game

[lavish jacinth]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Mechanics some more stuff that might interest you, particularly proc coefficient

[steady stone]

if you wanna be a giga nerd go read the wiki.gg page for directors

[limber idol]

that might actually help a lot

thank you guys for the advice🙏

[lavish jacinth]

np

[vast solar]

Im about to start a new run and i have arrifact of rebirth with happiest mask. Im questioning if i should go with engi(the one i mainly use) or acrid(i have never used before)

[agile crystal]

I say go for acrid, if things go badly maybe you'll have a ghost friend right there with ya

plus for acrid, just dont depend on his m1 alot

[bitter ether]

i have like 20fps since buying seekers of the storm, what could be the reason for this?
im playing as seeker

i have an rtx 3060 ti

[primal vector]

Try uninstalling and reinstalling. Some people got an improvement in performance that way

Another thing to try would be wiping out all saves (after storing then safety elsewhere) and a complete reinstall

There are some weird things happening after last update but you should have a fluid performance, the game just kinda need to accommodate itself

[random escarp]

At this point I feel really OP when I am doing the normal stages, but as soon as I start fighting Mithrix my damage somehow goes to absolute shit? I know he just has a lot of health, but it still feels like I take ages to even get him to half health. Even then I can get past phases 1 and 2 just fine. But then phase 3 just overwhelms me. It's mostly just that handling both Mithrix and Lunar Chimera is a bit much for me. And then as soon as I hit one of his spinnies by mistake it's game over.
I feel like I am doing something fundamentally wrong during the normal stages themselves. Maybe my itemization isn't good? This is what I collected at the end of 45 minutes in my last run

[high parcel]

mith has adaptative armor

but you had scorpion which means that you could defeat him no matter what if you kept building stacks

since its just infinitely stacking damage

maybe you had a very slow hitting character?

[random escarp]

I was playing Commando.
Yeah I did feel like I didn't have good attack speed. But I did have 3 predatory instincts + ocular hud which is what carried me through the main stages.
I gave my ocular hud to an equipment drone on stage 5 thinking that getting the crit + attack speed without thinking about it would be nice, but then during phase 3 my drones died. Was using the equipment drone a mistake?

[high parcel]

well it seems like the overall issue was that you just died to mith phase 3 before you could build a decent amount of stacks

you had safer spaces which means that you could had survived at least one fatal hit, but you died regardless

so i assume is just a matter of learning the fight better

[random escarp]

I see

[high parcel]

specially the spinning pizza attack, its quite easy to dodge once you figure it out

[random escarp]

Yeah unfortunately my safer spaces wasn't active when the spinny hit me

[high parcel]

the secret is to go against the order to pass the zones, and not try to outspeed them

[clear whale]

You lost a good chunk of your damage from 4 broken watches

Also needletick is generally bad for Mando

[random escarp]

Yeahhh I was able to dodge the first few of them. But the next one I couldn't because well I guess I just need more practice with the spinnies

[random escarp]

Ooh, why so?

[clear whale]

Go in the direction the big spinny is spinning

[clear whale]

High fire rate character loves bleeding

[random escarp]

Oh needletick has a delay so you don't want that with attack speed?

[clear whale]

Nope

[high parcel]

bleeding is just better if you have fastish attacks

thats all, needlestick aint bad or anything like that

[clear whale]

Generally tritips outdamages needletick iirc for Mando

[random escarp]

Ah

[clear whale]

Also lost seer glasses makes you lose 10% crit chance

[high parcel]

if you want more chances to survive mythrix, try to get some opals next time too whenever you see a printer

opal + safer spaces will give you much more breathing room till you learn the fight better

also since you had seer glasses, you could had tried to focus on the chimera

so you instakill it and could focus on the boss

[clear whale]

1 in 200 attacks

[random escarp]

Alrighttt

[clear whale]

Better than nothing but youd better get a crit glasses for more consistent damage

Also AFAIK the chimeras that spawns are counted as a boss

[high parcel]

nope

i always instakill them when i feel that my damage is shit

and take seers on later stages

[clear whale]

Not sure through

[high parcel]

you cannot instakill the ones that have a boss health though

before p3

[random escarp]

Also what do you guys think about my number of items collected? Are they too little or is it fine?

[high parcel]

as long as you get like 80% of the chests of the map, its good

[random escarp]

I spent 45 minutes on the main 5 stages

[clear whale]

Loot everything as much as possible

[high parcel]

spent time is not a great metric, you could had took 20 minutes

[clear whale]

If a shrine takes way too much to spend, ignore it

[high parcel]

whats important is that you get enough items to overpower the enemy scaling

[random escarp]

Yeah I know, what I wanted to know was that is that many items good for 45 minutes?

[high parcel]

well, cuantity is also not as good as quality, but having scorpion is enough to finish the game

[clear whale]

Also use a mod for better chest visibility if you want since in some stages the chest just camouflages itself with the background

[high parcel]

since it guarantees youll defeat mitrix eventually

[random escarp]

I can't really tell how much of a stage I've looted. Some stages that I know well (mostly the earlier ones) I think I get most of it, but on stage 5 I sometimes get confused

[clear whale]

Look around

[random escarp]

Ooh

[clear whale]

Some stages like Sundered Groves make it almost impossible to spot some chests

[high parcel]

thats why i said that your issue was the survivality

and you not dodging mithrix

because scorpion counters the boss adaptative armor by itself

much more on a survivor like comando

of course you could had enough items you could one shot mithrix, but realistically speaking not going to happen all the times, nor you going to have time to do so

so yea, just fight again till you learn the patterns, thatd be the advice here

try to get items that prevent one shots like echos, opal and safer spaces

[random escarp]

So what do you suggest for phase 3? Like how do I handle Mithrix + Chimera? I feel like if it was just Mithrix I could've done it

[high parcel]

since you had seer glasses, i would had just tried to go for the instakill

i do that a lot when my damage is just, not good

[random escarp]

Ooh

[high parcel]

it is true that by leaving ocular hud, you basically wasted your 3 predatory instincts

and you wasted them again by converting the crit glasses

since now you had no way of actually procing them

[random escarp]

Yeah 😬

[high parcel]

also by the fact that you have bison im going to assume that you didnt used printers, or at least recyclers

so look forward using to those aswell

since they are what make runs consistant

[random escarp]

I thought giving it to a drone would be a good idea since I wouldn't have to press Q myself, but I didn't think that my drone could get killed easily in Mithrix phase 2 :|

[high parcel]

the drone wont give you crit

ocular hud gives crit to the user, which is the drone in this case

[random escarp]

Wait what 💀 man I didn't know that wtf

[high parcel]

only items that increase all alies like the attack speed drum will actually give it to you aswell

[random escarp]

Gosh I totally wasted that ocular lmao

[high parcel]

yeah you need to treat the drone as a player basically

if you give credit card to a drone, the drone will be able to purchase items from multishops, but not you

but he cant because hes just a drone

[random escarp]

For some reason I just can't find scrappers. I found like one on stage 2 and scrapped a monster tooth

That's it

[random escarp]

I see...

That's crucial info man thanks, I had been wasting my equipments on drones up until now lmao

[high parcel]

finding scrappers are best case scenario, but use printers regardless

specially if they are the ones that no matter what items they pick, they are positive sum 90% of the times

like glasses, needles, etc

[random escarp]

Ooh

That's one thing that I hadn't been doing

[high parcel]

also in one part of stage 6 where you fight mythrix, there are almost guaranteed red item cauldrons

which can very well carry the mithrix fight

[random escarp]

Oh rightt I forgot about those on this run

Thanks for the tips guys
I'll get Mithrix next time (hopefully)

[unkempt quartz]

beat the game or obliterate on Monsoon.
whats obliterate

[primal vector]

If instead of going to the moon you loop by interacting with the teleporter's pron

Every 8th stage, I think, a celestial portal will appear, and there you can obliterate

[high parcel]

any economy tips for the stage 1 of e6? it seems that it makes the start of the run quite... not fun

[marble magnet]

What are the void chest things called? Not the encrusted key but the 50% health

Void pods?

[high parcel]

cradles i believe

[marble magnet]

Ohh right

They seem more like cauldrons tbh but uh

Good to know lmao I forgot so ya thanks

[unkempt quartz]

ohh ok

[unkempt quartz]

e6?

[high parcel]

eclipse 6 and up

[unkempt quartz]

ooh

bro i cant see my harmongeous stacks on the dude 💀

9 glasses and its red after i use the slash but no new effect pops up

[long oriole]

Hey, I'm looking for a guide on Mercenary. Or at least, guidance. In almost 400 hours I never quite played him.

I know how to do the more complicated stuff like Expose tech, trimping and stuff but....

I feel like I do a lot less damage overall than I would with the other characters. I feel like it's much slower and, in most cases, getting near the ennemy is kind of a death sentence. That's why I feel like I never use M1 and M2.

I probably do not know when and how to M2 because it feels bad to use. I know this characters has combo etc I just....feel like only using slicing wind and focus.Assault 90% of the time. M2 is a slow dash towards ennemies that eventually become too risky to use, I feel like.

Maybe there's a gameplay of very good players I Can find online ? Or maybe you guys have tips ?

[high parcel]

"I feel like I do a lot less damage overall than I would with the other characters." is a correct sentence