ror2-game-questions

[thin grove]

How do people say to take 5 minutes a stage. I will legit find most the chests and just be waiting for mobs to spawn in and give me money

like it seems like the mobs genuinely just dont spawn in quick enough to actually take that little time

[hoary sedge]

the 5 mins per stage "rule" is severely outdated and just kinda straight-up wrong

[wary lintel]

I'd say an item a minute works best

Accounts for rushing and full looting

(mb lol)

[hasty tinsel]

8 minutes and you aren't already at Mithrix? L

[hoary sedge]

the most important thing is looting efficiently and maximizing the value of your items, as long as you can do that well it doesn't really matter how long it takes

1 item per minute is a good guideline to aim for but there are exceptions to it, spending time on scrapping and printing is very much worth going out of your way for

[hasty tinsel]

It's a decent guideline for the first level or two at least.

After that you're probably gonna speed up a ton in terms of item gathering and 1 item for every minute is gonna seem like rookie numbers.

[hoary sedge]

yeah it's at least 1 per minute

like as long as you're averaging above that you're probably fine

[quasi crystal]

Is it reasonable if I gave up on trying to get slicing winds

[hasty tinsel]

Completely reasonable imo.

[hoary sedge]

yeah kinda. I didn't mind waiting for a good trial for it to come around but your mileage may vary and it's kinda rng heavy

[hasty tinsel]

That thing's a crapshoot to get, you're kinda just praying for a good trial for it unless you're uber-skilled.

[quasi crystal]

I haven't even won as Merc at all yet

There's the fun part

[tame finch]

What is looping

[hasty tinsel]

Interacting with the teleporter on stage 5 to not aim it at the moon.

This makes it so that when you take the teleporter, you loop, in that you spawn onto stage 1 with all your items and such still present.

Taking an extra lap, basically.

[hoary sedge]

you also loop if you leave stage 5 by any means other than the tp

so like blue portal or artifact portal

[hasty tinsel]

In short, if you don't leave stage 5 via moon-alligned teleporter, youwill loop.

[tame finch]

Wdym not aim at the moon. Also is looping good?

[pulsar creek]

you can interact with the outside spire parts of the tp on stage 5 to aim it at the planet instead of the moon

[hasty tinsel]

The teleporter on stage 5 is, by default, alligned with the moon.
To allign it with the planet, IE set it to let you loop when leaving through it, you interact with the stone formation around it.

[tame finch]

Is it good to loop?

[hasty tinsel]

As for looping, it just basically keeps the progression going while 'looping' the maps.

[hoary sedge]

also looping isn't necessarily good or bad, it's just a different route

it's good if you don't think you're ready to fight mithrix yet or you're specifically going for the celestial portal for an unlock or something but other than that it's just kinda neutral

[tame finch]

My last question is is there anything I shouldn't pick up as engineer

[hoary sedge]

you dont need to necessarily avoid any regular items on him

[hasty tinsel]

Corpse bloom.

Avoid corpse bloom like the plague, though it's a lunar item so it's fairly easy to avoid anyhow.

The reason I despise that item is the healing per second cap, if you get even a couple bungus and some healing items as engi you will hit that cap incredibly quickly and it will do nothing but nerf your turrets' healing capabilities.

[hoary sedge]

he doesn't like but those are easy to avoid

[pulsar creek]

needletick is really good?

[hasty tinsel]

can be good for having more stocks of your turret so you can use them more, though.

Needletick is strong, but so is what it replaces, tritip dagger.

Imo it's kind of a sidegrade really.

[hoary sedge]

engi turrets attack fast enough to consistently refresh bleed so you end up getting more damage out of dagger

[hasty tinsel]

Collapse from needletick stacks too, you know.

[pulsar creek]

yes but even then if ur fighting mithrix or something he'll refresh himself when he jumps anyway

all in all needletick is suppper good and is only an actual downgrade if ur completely maxed out on bleed, which is a rare occurance anyway

[hoary sedge]

yes but it doesn't refresh all stacks. the reason bleed is so strong is because every stack adds more damage and you can constantly refresh every stack, unlike needletick which will go away on its own

[lavish jacinth]

needletick and shrimp aren't even that bad on engie, their alternatives just suit him a little better

[hoary sedge]

also lysate cell will let you place a 3rd turret when you get your first stack

[hasty tinsel]

Eeeeh imo I'd say shrimp is a bit worse than ATG for engineer, mainly because his turrets will tend to take a bit of damage fairly often so during prolonged fights it's unlikely that shrimp will have great uptime.

[hasty tinsel]

Oh right, I forgot about that bit, that is a very potent part too.

[lavish jacinth]

you definitely don't need to be maxed on bleed for it to outperform needletick, you just need to be able to reapply it consistently

[lavish jacinth]

Like I said, atg suits him better

[hasty tinsel]

Oh I know, just pointing out that the turrets will probably not have shield most of the time for plasma shrimp to trigger.

Unless you get lucky and get an Aegis with your Bungus anyways

[lavish jacinth]

there's an argument for taking over on him too, for a similar reason
SS does a better job at protecting engie himself but TT is better at protecting turrets

that's more situational though

[hasty tinsel]

Both are pretty solid though, really.

Certainly better than not having it.

Oh, another item that you want to avoid with Engineer, at least with the default turrets:

[hoary sedge]

or take it on purpose so your turrets can activate :)

[pearl widget]

whats the objectively best primary

[fresh umbra]

Maybe viend corrupted form

Wait no, mul-t rebar

(If you factor in retool

[honest badger]

not really a thing

in terms of dps, corrupted drown probably outperforms all the others on average

vulcan shotgun is also really useful

[hasty tinsel]

A lot of what makes a primary good also comes down to the survivor themselves.

[marble osprey]

By technicality maybe railgunner since most of her sniper abilities just transform her primary into the correct thing
So like technically her sniper shot and even the supercharge and cryocharge shots are primaries

[hasty tinsel]

False Son's club, for example. It hits hard, 450%, but is a slow melee attack.
It works really well on him because he's incredibly tanky in the first place.

[honest badger]

ill put it like this. if i was doing an m1 only challenge, id play captain

but if i was slapping any old m1 on a character, id do corrupt drown

[coarse mauve]

the only downside is, if you take the characters at their base and just swap each ranged character's primary with others, corrupted drown is a less than ideal primary due to the survivor's kits

id say that the best one when applied to any ranged characters is probably just either rebar or bandit's rifle

[fresh umbra]

honorable mention to commando’s proc machine

[coarse mauve]

however you right, that's definitely one of the best m1s and can almost rival rebar and rifle, only downside being range

though in terms of raw damage, corrupted drown is superior, but some characters just don't have the aggressive kit to make it worthwhile

[coarse mauve]

while his m1s ain't the worst, it's probably only beating a few m1s
such as huntress's bow and viend's base drown

the shotguns both outproc commando's pistols, though they don't have the range

seeker's m1s aren't all that great either and really only are good on other aggressive survivors, similar viend's corrupted drown

gotta say though when not talking about scoped in railgunner, her rifle could be up there. it's got good range, shoots fast, no ammo, good damage, and the auto aim makes it good dps with high proc chance (i believe)

[peak jacinth]

I don't think the auto aim is enough to make up the lost damage and procs of most other m1s in the game when talking about a general kit

its not that difficult to hit hitscan shots in this game

[nocturne sierra]

What are the odds of getting the same red item on the same stage

[coarse mauve]

nah that's fair

[peak jacinth]

from which chests?

and which stage

[nocturne sierra]

Legendary and chance shrine

Stage 4, 2 brainstalks, basically screwed me over

Though I’ve somehow managed to kill mythrix stage 4 while dying on mythrix stage three

[hasty tinsel]

The advantage with it though is that you can focus more on dodging and moving since you don't have to focus as much on aiming.

In short, it does the aiming for you so you can focus more on movement.

[nocturne sierra]

Didn’t think across poison was that affective

[peak jacinth]

getting 2 of the same red is around a 1% chance
getting 2 of the same red with the chance shrine odds is around a 0.0005% chance
(if my math is right)

assuming no chance dolls as well

[peak jacinth]

that just comes down to player experience more than power

its not necessarily an objective metric of how strong the ability will be

[nocturne sierra]

There was chance doll affect, you don’t have to do the math, but it’s stupid that I would’ve won say I had a brilliant behemoth or even a dios instead of another brainstalks

[peak jacinth]

also I should mention a few things about my math. I am including all DLC items, and I didn't put the math for same stage because thats a lot more math and its way more variable

[peak jacinth]

yea thats justr the way things go, sometimes you get lucky sometimes you don't

[nocturne sierra]

I’m doing eclipse rn and it sucks, that’s honestly the only reason I’m complaining, but thanks, but man even a polylute instead of 6 safer spaces could’ve saved me

[peak jacinth]

yea I’m really not a fan of eclipse tbh. Trust you’ll get it eventually, just keep trying 👍

[hasty tinsel]

No, but it does make survival a little easier in stressful situations where you can keep outputting damage without worrying about accuracy.

[peak jacinth]

sure but is that worth losing a very significant amount of procs and damage? I’d say probably not because I don’t tend to need the small amount of help it provides, but others might! That’s why I said it’s more of a player experience metric

[weary cloud]

does gesture of the drowned lunar item instantly use equipments if they're already in effect? ex: ocular hud

i found out

[teal stream]

What’s the point of the Shrine of order

[brittle shuttle]

It is funny

[eager stream]

Hi, just got this shaped glass. is it good? it halfs my health

nvm its pretty good

any1 know which lunar items are absurdly broken?

[eager stream]

help pls, what does this mean

found out, thx

[honest badger]

longstanding solitude can be really good with an item like brittle crown or roll of pennies

gesture of the drowned is good with almost every good equipment item, but REALLY good with a certain few, especially tonic

brittle crown is generally a good moneymaking method

egocentrism can be a really funny way to get a ton of pearls which is super op

corpsebloom is a major healing boost unless you're looping or bungus engineer

shaped glass can be really funny too

transcendence is consistently the best though imo

it's just so general

[eager stream]

thanks

i will try to get transcendence

[eager stream]

idk whats happening but my gunner turret at spawn is soloing the magma worm. is this a bug?

it died but it reduced the magma worms health by 90%

[eager stream]

is corpsebloom and shaped glass good? doesnt it cancel the negative effects?

[slim spoke]

both of them are good in small quantities where their downsides doesnt lead to straight up game losing factors
also, never, ever, underestimate the turrets

[eager stream]

thanks

do yall have any tips? i keep dying at stage 4 and 5

[slim spoke]

focus on memorizing enemy patterns and priority
these are like the assessment stages, you win these, you will most possibly win the game (unless you have lost seer's lenses and heavily rely on it)

[eager stream]

thanks

but what is lost seers lenses

[slim spoke]

you have the survivors of the void dlc?

[eager stream]

nope

[slim spoke]

you wont need to care abt the seer's lenses

[steady stone]

yeah you cant get it but, it's a 0.5% (+0.5% per stack) chance to obliterate anything that isnt a boss
it also corrupts all into itself, so you cant use lens makers anymore

[eager stream]

wow isnt that bad

hi, i thought the game ends at stage 5. im teleported somewhere else called the commencement, what do i do?

yea nvm i died to a lunar chimera

[lavish jacinth]

Commencement is the end of the game, it's where you fight the final boss (and die to chineras)

[round crane]

quickly got the railgunner trickshot achievement

id say worse than normal

[eager stream]

How do i kill them? They shred my health and even with shaped glass i barely dealt any dmg to it

[round crane]

@mellow crystal wanna do multilayer again

[mellow crystal]

Alt special I'd say is better mostly for the safe spammability and because freeze is the most broken status effect in this game

Also because it allows you to launch yourself across the map without disabling your abilities

[mellow crystal]

Ye
Just gimme a bit I just got up

[round crane]

k

i rly wanna unlock the 2nd void character

we could do the something thing wave 50 or watever it was

simulacrum

thats it

or escape the planetarium which is idk where however u want

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, chimeras are some of the strongest enemies in the game, just try to use cover as much as you can and wear them down, and be especially careful of the flying ones. It helps if you can make it off the bridge and to one of the islands and pick them off from there, the flying guys are slow and the grounded ones have a hard time reaching you

the one good thing about them is that the spawnrate on commencement is super slow, so once you clear out the initial wave of enemies you'll be pretty safe

[lavish jacinth]

also yeah, lost seers is kinda meh most of the time.
It can sometimes be nice if you plan on looping, the instakill is a good failsafe in case your damage ends up sucking, but usually it's better to just have the extra damage from crits

although it's alright on bandit because he can get crits from backstabs

[round crane]

LMAO MOST UNLUCKY MONSTERS

BRO GOT 2 ITEMS THAT DO NOTHING

DUDE TF IS DOING SO MUCH DMG

i swear i saw like 7877k dmg

is it my resonance disc?

[nocturne sierra]

Wait till the all get an unstable Tesla coil

[round crane]

unstable what

i dont think i got that unlocked

[round crane]

tf bro the granparent thing boss just spawned

[slim spoke]

doesnt matter

[fleet zodiac]

you need to do 5k dmg in 1 hit to unlock it

[round crane]

with main shot or just anything?

[slim spoke]

anything

[fleet zodiac]

anything

[slim spoke]

if it flashes a 5k+, youre in

[round crane]

well i did like 17k with just a normal shot from railgunner so def yes

all the enemies got shuriken 🙏 😭

[lavish jacinth]

good luck

you might wanna just leave lmao, the exit portal is always available

shuriken is one of the worst things they can get

[lavish jacinth]

oh wait this is simulacrum isn't it

[round crane]

yes

they said that it requeires skill

ppl in this server

but rn im just destroying everything im not even using my scope or my R

YESS THIRD PLASMA SHRIMP

[lavish jacinth]

it takes skill for like the first ~10 waves, from that point on it's luck lol

you either get unlucky and die or snowball and become almost unkillable

[round crane]

10 waves of sitting on a spot where monsters either have to go into the void to get to u or just cant

[lavish jacinth]

lucky start then lol

[round crane]

GG

void fiend unlocked

LMAO THE ENEMIES GOT ANOTHER ON KILL

L

[mellow crystal]

hopefully you have fun with him!!

i say hopefully because a lot of people (including me) find him boring 😭

also yeah hi i just got back

[round crane]

i mean any new character for me is nice

[mellow crystal]

valid

[round crane]

after i die we can test him

i mean me

[mellow crystal]

oh right that reminds me, i can hop on mp in like 10 mins

[round crane]

ANOTHER PLASMA SHRIMP YES

gg

we can play now @mellow crystal

[mellow crystal]

bet lemme hop on

[round crane]

109775244680450293

ima test the void "friend"

first look i tought it was smth like artificer but void

[eager stream]

thanks

[mellow crystal]

im in 💥

[round crane]

k

[round crane]

wat gamemode

we could try the 2nd one or the semi something i just died on

[mellow crystal]

classic ror2 ig

[round crane]

k

@mellow crystal u there?

[mellow crystal]

i think i disconnected lmao

[round crane]

yeah i think so

what does the 2nd gamemode do in multiplayer?

eclipse

[mellow crystal]

basically it's monsoon (the highest difficulty) but each time you beat it on a survivor, you unlock a new level of it
each level of eclipse adds a new modifier to make it more difficult

[round crane]

oh

def not i dont even know what is monsoon

[mellow crystal]

compared to drizzle

[round crane]

oh

do u want to play simulacrum

[mellow crystal]

sure

[round crane]

and i can test the robot guy

ok u can host

[mellow crystal]

alr

[round crane]

with the dlc i dont have tho

[mellow crystal]

oh fuck wait

109775244682948797

[round crane]

huh im stuck in a screen

nothing is happening

[mellow crystal]

oh wait
do you have crossplay turned on

because if so turn it off

[round crane]

cross what

ok

[mellow crystal]

it's a setting at the top of the gameplay options

it's supposed to make steam and epic games able to play with each other but all it does is break multiplayer 😭

[slim spoke]

enabled dlcs depends on the host, members in a lobby can play dlc content as long as the host has it, but they cannot unlock any item associated to it

[round crane]

u mean turn it on i dont have it on rn

[mellow crystal]

oh then keep it off

[slim spoke]

off

[round crane]

huh

if ur on a console or epic crap then we cant play

[mellow crystal]

lemme make sure i have it off too

[round crane]

idk man

[mellow crystal]

alr let's try one more time
109775244683147328

[round crane]

i got ror2 from a steam code from instant gaming

[hasty tinsel]

It is on by default, if you're confused on that point.

[stable inlet]

This is probably a crazy question, but is there a way to play the game on Steam Link's remote play?
I managed to set up most things, but I can't get the character to move around

[hasty tinsel]

I don't see why it wouldn't work, personally, though I don't use remote play myself really.

So I don't have the experience personally to tell what might be wrong.

Sounds like some kind of issue with the controls though.

[stable inlet]

Maybe, literally everything works, I can even aim, but not move around.
I'll keep checking the configs to see if something works.
It's crazy because since no one plays in remote play, there's no info on it online.

[hasty tinsel]

That narrows down what to look at, at least. Can't hurt to check binds too to make sure they're set proper for movement, might be you need to change that to make it work.

[slim spoke]

remote play is so long forgotten i think its deprecated

[nocturne sierra]

Hey quick lore question but what log or information determined that arulienite was a she?

[steady stone]

that's actually a really good one, the log for guilded coast and her log don't mention it, and Mithrix calls her "THE GUARDIAN"

it would probably be the original lore of the brothers? it was their failed creation, providence probably referred to her as more human and Mithrix as more of an object

I am looking through a bunch of stuff RN though, so I might find it eventually

[stable inlet]

Which is kinda sad, many indie games could benefit from remote play!

[high forum]

I think family sharing made it kind of obsolete

[steady stone]

If I don't find this though, I will say I VERY much remember it from Grovetenders summary of both games, and he reads his sources word for word. It can definitely be found there at least

[nocturne sierra]

Here’s my problem though, the false son (player) laser is called laser of the father, and arulienite has a laser, but mythrix says “the guardian and her pet” if your the false son and have arulienite with you, so idk

[steady stone]

I would assume the father refers to FS Boss

I would also take gearbox lore with some salt lol for small errors but

[nocturne sierra]

I was assuming it came from arulienite as step of brothers comes from providence and mythrix

[steady stone]

There's stone titan ig? But that's generic and I don't think gendered

[nocturne sierra]

Isn’t arulienites in game name just goldtitan

[steady stone]

There's Weaver of Gold iirc, but I can check her internal name too

TitanGold yeah, why tf do you know that lol

[nocturne sierra]

Idk it’s what teh wiki says the internal name is, I know weaver of gold is the boss title

I was just on the wiki

[steady stone]

I'm worried it would be in a ror1 snippet but also Aurelionite isn't mentioned at all in the ror1 wiki

[nocturne sierra]

The wiki needs the false son and mythrix dialogue

[steady stone]

Honestly a good place to start would probably just be wherever Grovetender got his sources for the origin of the brothers

When they first made the stone golem and their failed project

[nocturne sierra]

Right

[steady stone]

I'm in public though, so I can't pull up the video for another few hours sadly. I would honestly be willing to look into it later if it's still up though

[nocturne sierra]

Ok

I’ll start looking through the wiki and videos

[high forum]

the first reference to aurelionite as 'she' is from a SotS-related video where the devs talk about the expansion a bit

[steady stone]

rorr wiki with no direct quotes 😔

[steady stone]

Oh what? I couldve swore auri was a she like, way before sots

[high forum]

nope

she was basically genderless

[nocturne sierra]

I feel like people called arulienite a she way before too

[high forum]

found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Ffh8jEpL8

30 seconds in

[steady stone]

makes sense i suppose, since it isn't even mentioned in the log
At least heretic is referred to in her log

(I did find a direct comment from Grovetender saying there were none before it actually, just to confirm)
(also there's rubikeo, that hit rorcord member)

[weary cloud]

Do the slows from effigy of grief and railgunner’s alt util stack?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[weary cloud]

Since theyre both 50% speed reducs, does it just lock enemies in place?

[lavish jacinth]

no, slows are exponential iirc

[weary cloud]

that makes more sense but is unfortunate

So itd be like a 75% slow then

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[steady stone]

is there a slow cap actually?

[lavish jacinth]

it might be a different formula but I know you can't get 100%

[weary cloud]

Mkay im prob gonna try it bc it seems funny

[weary cloud]

Alright well thank u and lmk if there is a diff formula or something

[stable inlet]

I mean, family sharing is for playing in multiple PC's right? Steam link is for mobile play.
If anything, the steam deck killed it.

[high forum]

i guess i assumed you were trying to stream to another PC device

[stable inlet]

Oh no no, just mobile, that's why it doesn't work, gamepad doesn't seem to be working properly to move. It'd be too hard to play the game anyway

[timber flicker]

Is ocular HUD usable?

[tame finch]

I just bought sotv how do I get the new characters

[lavish jacinth]

railgunner is unlocked by default, for void fiend you have to beat 50 waves in simulacrum or kill the void final boss

[tame finch]

Simulacrum?

[lavish jacinth]

alternate game mode that sotv adds

[tame finch]

Oh alr

Does the difficulty matter?

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[honest badger]

both are good but they don't cancel eachothers effects

corpsebloom is healing and shaped glass reduces max hp

[mystic walrus]

can a green printer take a consumed sale star?

[daring cloak]

No

[honest badger]

consumed items are gray, always

not white or green or red or purple-red

[coarse mauve]

y'know what, for the funny thought of it, just items that help the character see better, like ocular hud and glasses

[radiant gorge]

Hey, what are some CHEF's best items? is there any tierlist?

[onyx plume]

heard mult and engineer duo combo is good. Was wondering how i should itemize engineer while prioritizing all good items for Mult on Mult.

[mellow crystal]

any survivor duo is good with competent players tbh but i don't see any particular synergy with mul-t and engi specifically

regardless how you itemize them depends ENTIRELY on what abilities mul-t is running

[onyx plume]

we are relatively new

[round crane]

@mellow crystal we gotta play the next day it was such a great time playing with you

Right

[onyx plume]

double nail guns i think

idk in my head isn't it just shielding mult and mult doing free dmg

[mellow crystal]

that'll be more of an anti-synergy then since engi and double nail mul-t both really like proc items

[keen lark]

hi could someone help me to figure something out? is there a way to beat the final boss mithrix and then do amother boss through a secret shortcut or something like in binding of issaac? ive heard something about a frog but some people say it doesnt work so idk is there some condition to unlock that frog?

[round crane]

Also could u help me get all the stuff on mul-t

[mellow crystal]

i dont think there's an unlock condition, it just costs lunar coins since you have to interact with the frog 20 or so times, and each interaction costs 1 lunar coin

[steady stone]

Beat Mithrix and go to spawn, there will be a

As in where you teleported to when you go to commencement, past the escape ship

It lets you fight the SOTV DLC boss

[mellow crystal]

ehhh
controlling enemy aggro can be really annoying sometimes so not really

[onyx plume]

ahh okay

we just started doing the middle difficulty

and its still hard with taking damage and dying moment to moment

[steady stone]

you'll find the most synergy out of 1 proc and 1 burst character to evenly split proc and burst items
like commando gets all the tritips, loader all the kjaros

[keen lark]

okaay thank you bith

[steady stone]

err, bad phrasing actually
sort, not split

[mellow crystal]

in terms of item sharing rex is also almost always a great pick since he tends to prefer the items that most survivors won't really care about

[lavish jacinth]

engineer would be contributing a lot of damage too, potentially even more given how well he scales. Also shield is kinda mid lol

[mellow crystal]

acrid is good for the same purpose too since his damage is sort of self-scaling

[lavish jacinth]

I think having two proc characters isn't the end of the world either, you'd be wanting a lot of the same items but proccers tend to be more flexible than burst characters.

One advantage of having an engie is that he synergizes with a lot of stuff that most survivors dont care about, like , so his role in multiplayer is basically being the item janitor who takes all the junk nobody else wants lol

[mellow crystal]

this also applies to rex like what i was going on about

[lavish jacinth]

Chef is fairly flexible but he mostly leans into proc items, so any on-hit effects are gonna be pretty strong. I don't think there's anything specific that's super noteworthy other than since he has a lot of built-in debuffs (admittedly I still haven't played a lot of chef so I might be missing something tho).
Ror2 builds are pretty broad, they don't really get detailed enough to require character-specific item tier lists tbh. Also even general tier lists tend to suck lol

tl;dr the best items for chef are the same items that are good on most survivors

[radiant gorge]

alright thanks

https://tenor.com/view/ror-risk-of-rain-ror2-risk-of-rain-2-chef-gif-2867553459978046351

[round crane]

@mellow crystal

[mellow crystal]

oh sure

[round crane]

Dont spoil what it is

😉

[steady swallow]

is chef's alternate utility good for fire or ice or is it just ass in general

[mellow crystal]

it's good but it works way better with fire
especially if you're running alt special

[bitter ore]

what is this?

[daring cloak]

Spicy bandit

[bitter ore]

im a spicy bandit

[daring cloak]

Dont think too hard about it

It was a test achievwmtn

[mellow crystal]

what the fuck

[bitter ore]

i guess theyre testing for the next dlc

[daring cloak]

They accidentally made the achievement public for a frw minutes

And this is related to sots skin achievements

[steady swallow]

so we either run all alternate abilities with fire or all normal abilities with ice?

[ocean knoll]

Miner unlock

[gritty hollow]

what's with the stage variants? are they on the wiki somewhere?

[primal vector]

Do you mean a map for the stages? They are in the respective wiki page

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Titanic_Plains

[gritty hollow]

like sometimes stages have different paths open

[primal vector]

Yes

A list of the changes?

[gritty hollow]

like scorched acres sometimes is missing a bridge

which i dont see on the wiki

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, the wiki doesn't usually mention small stage variations like that

[mellow crystal]

i'd say 1112 with ice
ice, roll, and yes chef

[mild hedge]

can someone give me some run tips? i alr know the basics but i want to know stuff like how to beat the game constantly and stuff

like do i ignore loot in favor of time and things like that

[mellow crystal]

generally no items are always better than time

enemies WILL outscale you eventually, usually by stage 4 or so, so having items to help you scale with them is always good

[mild hedge]

ok

[mellow crystal]

that said do still try to be efficient with looting
as fax says, a good rule of thumb is to be getting one item every minute, but spending time doing other things like scrapping and printing is still good as long as you're using your time effectively

also try to avoid killing enemies just for the heck of it if you already have gold for looting

and if you don't have gold for looting, or if you don't have enemies to kill, try to wander around the map to take note of chests you can open later

[lavish jacinth]

oh god, have we reached the point where the agreed-upon meta is just "what fax says"?

[daring cloak]

Lmao

That would be funny

[full apex]

[livid wedge]

I mean, you and @full apex are my go-tos

[full apex]

its probably largely just the most active ppl who do or know the theorycrafting

[livid wedge]

@daring cloak is also a good bug magnet finder

[stable inlet]

Question
In the abyssal depths, I found a tablet similar to the one near the compound generator in Sky Meadow. Is the code supposed to be just lore of some sort or does it change through the playthroughs so i can't use a previous one?

[lavish jacinth]

each code corresponds to a different artifact, most stages have a tablet like that hidden somewhere

and the codes don't change

[stable inlet]

Ooooh, so there's an artifact like that in the abyssal depths? Thanks, I'm gonna keep my eyes peeled for that one then

[lavish jacinth]

well no, the codes are hidden throughout the game, but you have to go back to the artifact portal on stage 5 to unlock each artifact

so you can just screenshot the tablets as you find them and then put them into the compound generator thing when you get there

[mild hedge]

what is the timed chest in the snow biome? is it worth rushing to get to

[lavish jacinth]

it unlocks

it's worth doing it once to get the unlock, but definitely not worth rushing for on a normal run

[mild hedge]

how am i supposed to get to the third biome in 10 mins lmao

[lavish jacinth]

you just rush the first two stages

[mild hedge]

if im returning after a long hiatus huntress is probs the best char to start w right?

[stable inlet]

Oh
I did, it just didn't work, maybe I looked at it wrong

[lavish jacinth]

probably, but anyone works I guess. Huntress is really easy to play though yeah

[mild hedge]

strafe or flurry then?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, pay careful attention to how the tablets are oriented, particularly with the abyssal depths one

[leaden field]

loader is ezpz with it

or false son

[lavish jacinth]

for that achievement specifically yeah, go with somebody fast and strong

[lavish jacinth]

up to preference imo, flurry is weaker initially but gets stronger the more crit chance you have, so you're kinda just gambling on whether you'll find some or not

[mild hedge]

btw if im trying to beat the game what should i do

would u call the game beat w just 1 win

[high forum]

not at all

beating the game would (IMO) be like, unlocking all the characters and items, and then beating a final boss

[lavish jacinth]

you do have to beat at least two final bosses to unlock everything so yeah

[high forum]

i mean it's totally up to you ultimately lol. nobody here cares if you beat it once and never play again

but like, you're not really getting the full experience of the game that way

[gritty hollow]

what is this, "viroid fiend"?

[lavish jacinth]

^^^^^
I think most people would agree that doing all the unlocks is kinda the main win condition

[gritty hollow]

im not sure what other words could fit

[lavish jacinth]

it's just void fiend

[gritty hollow]

it also has the japanese quotation marks 「」/『』

i think it's a weeb, whatever it is

[gritty hollow]

it's 「v??oid fiend』at best

[lavish jacinth]

okay but void fiend is what he's called lol

[gritty hollow]

i think it's pronounced "v question mark question mark oid fiend"

[lavish jacinth]

his text is screwed up in game because void corruption or something idk

[gritty hollow]

『V??oid Co??rruption】*

[lavish jacinth]

#theorycrafting probably knows, they do lore stuff

[gritty hollow]

also is the void boss thing supposed to be simple or did i accidentally cheese it?
I just shot it with railgunner from the other side of the map and hid behind a wall for all of its projectiles for all 3 phases

[lavish jacinth]

no voidling just sucks

[honest badger]

it's just to look cool lol

void corruption is always depicted like that

[kind inlet]

Does Growth Nectar + False Son (Char) end up in you having VERY fast recharging lunar spikes as the buffs are added / removed?

Or is it something else that's recharging my lunar spikes really fast.

[brittle shuttle]

something else

grectar doesnt change spike cooldown only how much you hjave

[lavish jacinth]

is the cooldown actually faster or is it just adding more charges?

[honest badger]

laser adds more charges when used

both lasers

[kind inlet]

Ah. I missed a line of text.

Suddenly, makes a whole lot more sense.

[hot stag]

Yo any tips for winning a run I been playing for a long time and I can’t beat the final boss

I’ll get to his second phase and die

[mellow crystal]

The chimera phase or the phase where the boss himself comes back?

[honest badger]

the strategy is most of the same, except for his pizza attack. he only does it after doing a ground slam, and when it happens you have to get close to him to keep up with the slices

[lavish jacinth]

#ror2-game-questions message

also obligatory, make sure you full loot every stage and don't rush to the teleporter

[hot stag]

Hmm ok thank yall very much

[wispy zenith]

where am i and how do i get out

[timber flicker]

I dont know

[meager fulcrum]

do eclipse levels count towards 100%ing the game?

[violet elbow]

that depends on what you define as '100%'

[leaden field]

They don't, no

[round osprey]

for the commando stage 20 no lunar items challenge do I just have to reach the stage or beat it

[bitter ore]

is helminth hatchery better than sky meadows?

[slim spoke]

more annoying enemies, more obscure artifact portal spot, but less obnoxious hazard

[slim spoke]

reach
and you get another red item as a bonus (assuming you havent done it yet)

[arctic dust]

.fm

[hasty tinsel]

If you're unsure if the achievement has popped, you can check in the logbook on your pause menu, can see challenges from there.

[leaden field]

I'm equal on both, I like the challenge and newness of helminth and it has a bit more items but sky meadows is classic and I like the layout more

[honest badger]

imo yes, but that's opinion based

[worldly olive]

Semi opinion based
I don't mind hatcherys layout personally and it has more credits and better bosses than sky meadow

[gritty hollow]

is this the ||second|| worst item description in the game?

[honest badger]

hell yes

i think it was originally intended to be an equipment item

[eager stream]

whats a good build for bandit? just looking for lunar chimera killing power, anything to stomp them

right now i have transcendence and leeching seed but those are my only 2 items, what else do i get?

[gritty hollow]

i dont think leeching seed does anything at all for you

[gritty hollow]

you should look in the "raw damage" section

[eager stream]

thanks, ill do this

[gritty hollow]

this tier list doesn't seem to have any DLC items

but it has all unlocks

[eager stream]

i dont have any dlc, i think its good

since im bandit ill just get the syringe and the bullet

[gritty hollow]

i don't think the lunar chimera count as a boss
unless you mean phase 2 of mithrix

so the bullet won't do too much

you might want crit from lens-maker's glasses, or the initial burst damage from crowbar

[eager stream]

thanks

[eager stream]

after i killed mithrix they spawned

[gritty hollow]

the easiest solution for not getting shot by bullets is to hide behind a wall

[eager stream]

i can survive the bullets since i use invis (bandit) but the orb one shots me at 600 hp

does the teddy bear have a cap? it its 15% to block an attack per stack cant i just get like 7 and be invincible?

[gritty hollow]

from the wiki

idk why it starts at 13% instead of 15%

[eager stream]

why does it only add by 10% then decreases?

btw can i combo corpsebloom and transcendence? or will it cancel eachother out

[gritty hollow]

stacking normally would make you invulnerable like you said
too op

[gritty hollow]

transcendence turns your hp into shields, which cannot be healed normally (only by being out of combat), so any other healing is useless

[eager stream]

ahh

[eager stream]

thanks!

do you know what lunar item would pair well with transcendence?

[gritty hollow]

not really

maybe more transcendence

[lavish jacinth]

The health bonus can mitigate the downside of shaped glass

But yeah, just more transcendence, it has no stacking downside so if you get one, you might as well get a lot of them

[eager stream]

kk ill try

how does transcendence work?

like does it heal when ur not attacking or when ur not getting damages

[steady stone]

All of your health is now shield meaning you can't get healed, but if you don't take damage for a few seconds it regens

[hasty tinsel]

How shield works you mean? Take no damage for a few seconds and it very rapidly regens.

[steady stone]

It's good because it means you can scrap all of your healing and print it into more items while still having consistent sustainability with transcendence

[lavish jacinth]

You have to not take damage for 7 seconds for shields to recharge, same as cautious slug. Then it always takes 2 more seconds to fully charge

[eager stream]

ohhhhh thanks

[hasty tinsel]

It's especially good on survivors who have the tools to avoid damage for a while, or absurd mobility like Loader.

[eager stream]

is bandit good

he has invisibility

[hasty tinsel]

I'd imagine decently so, yeah.

[steady stone]

for transcendence specifically, id say so yeah
he has his stun on shift and stealth with speed boost

and the shift can be used for extra height or crossing larger gaps, to escape to regen

[eager stream]

thanks

[hasty tinsel]

Items that can provide barrier on kill or the like may be good too, allow you to take chip damage during a fight without affecting the shield regen timer so long as only barrier takes the damage.

[eager stream]

waaaaaaat that works?

[hasty tinsel]

Can't check but that is what would make sense for me at least, depends on what logic they work on.

If it's take no damage for 7 seconds or take no shield damage for 7 seconds.

Might be the former given it won't regen while taking health damage.

[lavish jacinth]

Unfortunately it doesn't, barrier damage is still damage

[eager stream]

oh

[shell reef]

Whens the new dlc

[primal vector]

There are no news on that

[hasty tinsel]

Dang.

[heady ibex]

guys if im on the path to false son, will taking the blue portal take me back to the normal run or can i still stay on the path to false son?

[primal vector]

Normal path

There is a small chance that one of the seers has the alt path as an option, but most likely you will exit the FS path

[heady ibex]

alright thanks

[round crane]

is there any sandbox i could test stuff in

[steady stone]

With mods easily yeah, other than that there's

[lavish jacinth]

Not in vanilla unless you count artifact of command, but you can with mods

[round crane]

what mod is it

[steady stone]

DebugToolKit

[lavish jacinth]

debugtoolkit and maybe debuggingplains

[round crane]

also how do i get mods cause theres no workshop on steam for ror2

[steady stone]

Give yourself any items, godmode, no enemies, send yourself to the test stage, etc

[trim lynx]

gale or r2modman :)

[lavish jacinth]

Thunderstore.io, download r2modman (mod manager) first and then install whatever you want through that

[steady stone]

#ror2-modding message

ancient ass pin, really could do with a long guide

[round crane]

will i have acces to things like skills i dont have or characters?

[steady stone]

you can mod them unlocked if you want

RealerCheatUnlocks

just right click to lock/unlock stuff

i WILL say, it's much more fun to try to 100% the game

[trim lynx]

-# it will unlock the steam achievements

[steady stone]

few hundred hours of content and stuff to do

its best use is for save loss recovery imo

[round crane]

rn i gtg so when i come back ima mod

[hasty tinsel]

I've zero qualms with it being used to unlock anything as horrible as mercenary's alt special unlock, personally.

That challenge can go die in a ditch.

[round crane]

wat all of the items here do?

the domino the ball and the beetle leg looking thing and yes i know that the thing on the right is some hermesy shit

well i did that kind of accidentally

[round crane]

@hasty tinsel

[lavish jacinth]

5% chance for regular items to be replaced with a random lunar item
replaces your primary attack
doubles your damage but halves your hp
replaces your secondary attack

[round crane]

OH THAT IS HSAPED GLASS

[round crane]

the second primary while in power mode?

the left ss

[lavish jacinth]

powermode is his alt special

[round crane]

alt special

oh the R?

[lavish jacinth]

yea

[round crane]

i dont know wat that means but dont spoil what the power mode does

should i replace the secondary?

on mul-t

[lavish jacinth]

can if you want, hooks is really strong

[round crane]

hm

[lavish jacinth]

blast canister is mostly just for stunlocking

[round crane]

it doesnt mention if it swaps only one like loadout

yk like R

so it swaps only one secondary

it does

also does the domino like tell u what the lunar item is

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, you'll be able to see it before you pick it up

[round crane]

that is what i asked tysm

ima go cycling cya

[lavish jacinth]

I mean like, you'll have a chance to get a lunar item out of a chest instead of a normal one. It's not gonna tell you what it does until you pick it up, but that's how items work anyway

you can use inspect item but I think you have to have picked it up at least once before to see the description

[round crane]

true

[round crane]

shops gonna have swapped items or after i buy its gonna be swapped?

[lavish jacinth]

nah, you'll be able to see it in the shop

lunar items can appear in printers too

[round crane]

k

tysm tysm tysm cyaaa

[hasty tinsel]

Don't forget you have the inspect bind there too, assuming you've ever picked up the item before it will tell you exactly what the item does.

Oh, fax already mentioned it.

[round crane]

yes

its TAB

[slim spoke]

ping it

[round crane]

wat

[slim spoke]

middle mouse

do it

[round crane]

ok

[round crane]

why tho

i did it and what

[slim spoke]

sihoulettes in this game are often hard to see, especially in 3d printers
doing this just helps you identify items easier later on when you have a grasp of what items there is and what you need

[round crane]

oh

[slim spoke]

basically, a "know now helps later" kinda thing

[round crane]

yea when i play with my friend on classic i tell her to turn seekers of the storm off

[slim spoke]

np

[round crane]

cause i dont have it

[slim spoke]

oh you can play it

[topaz berry]

could i turn on dissonance and go to titanic plains stage 1 to push hermit crabs off the cliff to unlock gesture

[lavish jacinth]

nope, they don't spawn at all with dissonance for some reason

[topaz berry]

bruh

[slim spoke]

lmao

[round crane]

is this really 10% now? ( i got 2 of those )

[topaz berry]

time to grind

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[round crane]

yay

[lavish jacinth]

it's not that bad, just tedious and pointless

[slim spoke]

rex + primal cube my beloved

[round crane]

what does light flux pauldron do?

[lavish jacinth]

it helps if you turn off dlcs so the dlc stage 1's don't show up instead of plains, and use the lunar seers

[round crane]

i think i remember from a vid it gives 2x health but 0.5x speed

[slim spoke]

using propersave while doing it doubles the progress lmao

[lavish jacinth]

0.5x cooldowns but 0.5x attack speed

[round crane]

oh

[lavish jacinth]

stone flux is the 2x health/0.5x speed one

[round crane]

that was a mask i think

[slim spoke]

and that is the STONE flux

stone flux is a horned mask
light flux is a moth cape

[round crane]

@lavish jacinth what will essence of herresy do if i pick it up on mul-t

that sounds funny asf

[lavish jacinth]

replace your R, you won't be able to swap weapons or equipment anymore

[lavish jacinth]

they're both pauldrons but yeah

[slim spoke]

change your special skill to ruin
you will now deal debuffs and using the new special erases them for 300% damage per stack

[round crane]

ik

[slim spoke]

nice nice

[round crane]

but i wanted to know the part on mul-t with his 2 loadouts

[slim spoke]

then its the same as what fax said

[round crane]

AND THATS FUCKING HOW I WASTED 37 FUCKING MINUTES

[slim spoke]

basically you lose your other half

[lavish jacinth]

it IS good with nailgun though

but maybe not worth giving up retool

[round crane]

meanwhile my railgun 🙏

it took my fucking R

[lavish jacinth]

at least it wasn't engineer

[round crane]

imagine this

u attack with both at once

[lavish jacinth]

if both your primaries are the same then all you'd lose is your other equipment

[round crane]

also i "dreamed" of snowy smth

[round crane]

nah i got rebar and nailgun

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that lets you pick the next stage

[round crane]

yeah but what is in the snowy smth stage

any super duper secret boss

or maybe artifact of control?

mmm

[lavish jacinth]

either siphoned forest or rallypoint, I forget their "dreamed of" quotes

depends on what stage you're on

[round crane]

i was at the temple or smth

stage 2 before i entered the bazar

[lavish jacinth]

rallypoint delta then

[round crane]

nuh uh

it said you dreamed of snowy something

[lavish jacinth]

I mean rallypoint will be the next stage

[round crane]

i swearrr

[lavish jacinth]

rallypoint delta has snow on it...

[round crane]

ig

it has fr

[slim spoke]

knew it

[round crane]

🤑

key

[lavish jacinth]

not bad

[round crane]

@lavish jacinth what does 2 hooks of heresy do?

2 charges?

[lavish jacinth]

increases the cooldown significantly but enemies stay rooted longer

[slim spoke]

yea, but slower cd

[lavish jacinth]

(it's not worth stacking)

[lavish jacinth]

nah, you don't get more charges for it

[round crane]

if i had a better option 🙏

[slim spoke]

sad
i suggest you find yourself a recycler

[lavish jacinth]

none of the heresy items stack well

yeah, recycler is a very good idea with eulogy zero

[slim spoke]

wheres nellie when this happens

[round crane]

recycler?

[lavish jacinth]

lets you reroll items

only once per item so you can't keep rerolling the same thing into exactly what you want, but still really nice

[round crane]

@lavish jacinth egocentrism whats that

[slim spoke]

spawns orbiting bombs but turns one item in your inventory into itself

every minute

[round crane]

thats the a guy from my class item ok

[slim spoke]

every class has one

its unavoidable

[round crane]

like this dude eats everything

my friend got a fucking broken wheel cause of him sitting on his bike

[slim spoke]

you mean that fatso?

[lavish jacinth]

it's a very funky item, kinda weird to play around it but really strong once it gets going

[slim spoke]

me when my 28 egos cant kill a 2 loop mithrix

[lavish jacinth]

the more stacks of it you have, the faster it generates bombs and the more of them you can have out at once

just need more of them lol

[slim spoke]

the newt altar really hated me that run

[round crane]

wat how do i get there

[lavish jacinth]

I think ego does something like 20,000% damage per second with 100 stacks

[nocturne sierra]

You play loader or get a lot of feathers

[lavish jacinth]

it's just a newt altar

[nocturne sierra]

Or maybe anyone with a good movement ability

[lavish jacinth]

some stages have newt altars that are guaranteed to spawn but are harder to reach

[nocturne sierra]

Like abandoned aqua duct

[lavish jacinth]

the aqueduct one is actually really easy to get to but yeah

[nocturne sierra]

Yeah

Does wetland aspect have a guaranteed one?

[lavish jacinth]

nah

[nocturne sierra]

Just checking, thanks

[thorn osprey]

when will the new dlc arrive ?

[nocturne sierra]

We don’t know, probably later this year or early next year

But I hope the new (returning) survivor is the miner

[lavish jacinth]

actually wait, Wiki says always has one but it's in one of the random spots, not the same spot every time like the rallypoint one

[round crane]

another blue portal

[nocturne sierra]

What

[nocturne sierra]

Doesn’t that just mean it’s still teh random spots

[round crane]

is transcendence good item

[nocturne sierra]

Yes

[round crane]

wait it does

[nocturne sierra]

All your health becomes shield

[round crane]

surely bro

[nocturne sierra]

That regenerates almost instantly when not taking damage for 7 seconds

Theres like no debuff to it

[lavish jacinth]

and it gives +50% health (+25% per stack)

no downside to stacking it

[round crane]

does shaped glass take away health if u have it lol?

cause it takes away hp not shield

[lavish jacinth]

but you do have to manage your health more carefully since you can't heal normally

[nocturne sierra]

Yes I think

[lavish jacinth]

it does, shield counts as hp

[slim spoke]

yes

[round crane]

bad game design

[lavish jacinth]

but the health bonus from transcendence can at least mitigate glass's downside

[nocturne sierra]

Not really

[round crane]

trust

[nocturne sierra]

Or tbh just don’t use shaped glass

[round crane]

wat does defiant gouge do

[nocturne sierra]

What? What does it look like

[lavish jacinth]

using any shrine summons enemies like a combat shrine

[slim spoke]

uhh spawns enemies whenever you use shrines

[round crane]

im taking it

should i

[slim spoke]

clashing weapons iirc

[lavish jacinth]

it's basically free money if you can kill the enemies

[slim spoke]

if you think you can instakill everything

[round crane]

BOMBOCLAT

[slim spoke]

ONE PINT OF POTASSIUM CHLORIDE, ONE WAYWARD TWITCH
AND KABLOOIE

[nocturne sierra]

Tbh I don’t know most of the Lunars because I think they’re bad

[lavish jacinth]

bad as in bad items, or bad as in you just don't like using them?

because pretty much all of them are good in the right niche

[nocturne sierra]

Both but I can see how people like them

I just don’t think the downside is worth most of them

Like the domino one

I think that’s the one that replaces a random item in the world with a lunar right?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

it's definitely one of the weaker ones

[nocturne sierra]

Unless I’m using command Both the pauldrons seem like straight debuff

[lavish jacinth]

stone pauldron usually is

[nocturne sierra]

What does light one do?

[lavish jacinth]

light flux can be really good if you have skills that don't care about attack speed

[lavish jacinth]

0.5x cooldowns but 0.5x attack speed

[nocturne sierra]

That seems alright

And egocentrism is, well egocentrism, unless your main build is based on it

[steady stone]

most cooldown abilities scale with attack speed, so it isnt that good

[lavish jacinth]

stone flux is only really useful for false son and sometimes loader, or if you're really late into a run and accidentally pick up too much movement speed

[lavish jacinth]

some more than others

[round crane]

OMG VOIDSENT FLAME I JUST GOT IT IT SOUNDS SO GOOD

[nocturne sierra]

It’s basically will o wisp reverse

That one lunar that reduces equipment but auto uses it is pretty good

[lavish jacinth]

yeah gesture is broken

very few equipments actually get any downside from it

[nocturne sierra]

Brittle crown is ight, good with crowdfunded though

[nocturne sierra]

Which ones do?

Maybe encentric vase?

[lavish jacinth]

crowdfunder, recycler and tricorn are the main ones

[round crane]

guys

[nocturne sierra]

Makes sense

[round crane]

waht does brittle crown do

[lavish jacinth]

it's a little annoying with vase but not harmful

oh, volcanic egg kinda sucks with it

[nocturne sierra]

Take damage = -gold, do damage = + gold

[lavish jacinth]

gain gold when you hit an enemy, but lose gold when you take damage

better with high fire rate because it's a flat amount of gold per hit

[nocturne sierra]

I think the heresy items are meh, unless you get all 4, the utility might be ok I heard?

[lavish jacinth]

they depend on survivor

[nocturne sierra]

K

[round crane]

tf is a magma worm

[lavish jacinth]

a worm but magma

[nocturne sierra]

A worm made of magma

[lavish jacinth]

spicy noodle

[nocturne sierra]

lol same thoughts

Is it possible to get overloading worm stage 3 pre loop

[lavish jacinth]

theoretically yeah

[nocturne sierra]

I’ve got it stage 4 pre loop before

[lavish jacinth]

you'd have to wait like an hour to run up the timer

[nocturne sierra]

Shrine of mountain

[round crane]

oh right im at shrine 4

i mean tp 4

[lavish jacinth]

oh wait maybe not, wiki says it's stage 6+ for rallypoint delta, and it doesn't appear on any other stage 3

[nocturne sierra]

Yet scavengers can spawn on stage 4 pre loop, makes sence

[lavish jacinth]

yeah the scav thing is weird

and it's only on sundered grove

[steady stone]

it does fit the vibe of the stage

[nocturne sierra]

Idk why sundered grove is hated, it’s a pretty good map

[steady stone]

same, but for sulfur pools

i honestly dont know why people hate that one
just dont step on the things labeled "landmine"

[woeful badger]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-9305751

me with will o wisp + forgive me please

[nocturne sierra]

Oh I don’t like sulfur pools because of the enemies that spawn there

[round crane]

what does hellfire tincture do

[lavish jacinth]

sets everything around you on fire, including yourself

[woeful badger]

its good but i got NO IDEA how long it lasts (i think its until u hit 1 hp???)

[lavish jacinth]

12 seconds

[woeful badger]

oh

[steady stone]

the damage is pretty good, and scales with , but the real upside is that it activates

it DOESNT proc though, unless a TEAMMATE uses it and hits you

[lavish jacinth]

damage is based on your max hp, 2.5%/second to yourself, 1.25%/s to allies, and 120%/s to enemies

[round crane]

is gorag's opus and ocular HUD a good combo

[nocturne sierra]

Clay templars, clay apothecaries, clay dunsteider, xi contruct, blind pests, blind vermin, I’m probably forgetting a few others

[lavish jacinth]

if you picked up transcendence earlier then you probably don't want tincture

[lavish jacinth]

yea

[round crane]

polylele with all the atk speed is good right

[lavish jacinth]

the big play would be to find an equipment drone and give it the gorag's opus, then take something else for yourself

[lavish jacinth]

it's just really good in general, attack speed or not

[lavish jacinth]

it's really dark and the layout is annoying

[round crane]

do i get corpse blossom

[lavish jacinth]

did you take transcendence earlier?

[round crane]

no

u can clearly see in the ss earlier

green

[steady stone]

if your really only healing is medkit tbh id say it wouldnt be too bad

[nocturne sierra]

I mean climbing the tree and its roots seems like the only annoying part of the layout to me

[lavish jacinth]

In that case it would probably be alright

[round crane]

shroom too

[steady stone]

bungus you probably shouldnt use against the final boss though

[round crane]

im rly speedy with my shift

[steady stone]

the motto for this game is really "stop moving and you die instantly"

[lavish jacinth]

corpsebloom is basically a healing equalizer, it's good if you don't have a lot of healing but gets worse if you have a lot

because you always heal at the same rate with it and get more healing overall from your items

just don't stack it, ever

[round crane]

28 bleed 🙏

[left ore]

can you have multiple glowing meteorites active at once? i'm trying to do a build where constantly 2-3 glowing meteorites are active at the same time

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[daring cloak]

Maybe

[lavish jacinth]

the limit is however much your system can handle before it crashes

[daring cloak]

God I need to do that again sometime

[left ore]

i plan to do a rex artifact of command build where i spam gesture of the drowned, fuel cell, glowing meteorites and delicate watches (paired with transcendence)

[daring cloak]

What the hell 😭

[round crane]

nice i just got needletick and i had 6 daggers

[lavish jacinth]

I respect the number of bad ideas at play here

[lavish jacinth]

that's probably a downgrade on mul-t tbh

[round crane]

nah i dont think so

[lavish jacinth]

it definitely is

[round crane]

needletick is always better than tri dagger

[steady stone]

tritip is better if you can refresh it

[lavish jacinth]

collapse does more damage up front but bleed stacks better, so if you're good at stacking bleed (which nailgun mul-t is), tritip is better

[nocturne sierra]

Honestly depends on which character your playing

But overall probably tri tip

[lavish jacinth]

collapse is still really good but if you wanna be optimal, tritip is better on mult

[lavish jacinth]

yeah this

collapse is great on characters that get lots of procs but aren't good at following up on them like Acrid, or have heavily lopsided proc rates like bandit or arti

[steady stone]

how even does bleed stacking work actually?
the most ive gotten is like 2500 stacks at once, but how does the damage scale if at all?

[nocturne sierra]

Yeah but bandit has 5 shots in his primary

[round crane]

huh

blue portal on stage to mithrix?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that can happen. You'll loop if you go through it though

[lavish jacinth]

4 shots, and he does need to reload

[round crane]

what does mercurial rachis do

[lavish jacinth]

plus the shotgun has 0.5 coeff so the bleed lasts half as long if you're using it

[nocturne sierra]

Yeah but all of them could apply bleed

[round crane]

NO

[nocturne sierra]

It’s like captain, becuase bandit and captain are basically the same character in a way

[round crane]

I WNET THROUGH IT

GET ME bACK BITCH

[lavish jacinth]

but spicy, randomly creates buff zones near you that increases damage by 50%, both for enemies and allies

[round crane]

thats worth it right

also spawns on level up?

[steady stone]

No

[lavish jacinth]

nah just randomly every 30 seconds or so iirc

[round crane]

ok

[steady stone]

it's a random location yeah, about 30 secs

[round crane]

whats this and wat it does

[steady stone]

+100% damage on crit

[nocturne sierra]

I thought it was teleprters and level ups

[steady stone]

so instead of 200% dmg its 300% dmg

[round crane]

do i take it?

[daring cloak]

For warbanner

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, but the bleed still lasts half as long and has half the chance to be applied. Plus bandit's playstyle tends to be more hit-and-run rather than focusing on one target for a long time

[steady stone]

You have no crit, probably not

[round crane]

wdym

ocular something

[lavish jacinth]

that's warbanner, not mercurial rachis

[nocturne sierra]

What’s a mercurial rachis?

[steady stone]

ah, well you could get some use then, but id keep quail and feather for mithrix

[lavish jacinth]

it does 20% damage per tick per stack

[nocturne sierra]

Oh a lunar, that’s why I don’t know it

[lavish jacinth]

it's like the most forgettable lunar too lol

[round crane]

well if i picked the bazar instead of mithrix they told me i loop

[nocturne sierra]

Wait is it’s time affected by teh proc?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, proc coeff affects proc chance and debuff duration

[nocturne sierra]

Interesting, what’s captains then

[lavish jacinth]

0.75

[steady stone]

.75*8

[lavish jacinth]

his proc rate is about the same as commando's m1

[nocturne sierra]

And bandits is 0.5?

[steady stone]

.5*5

[round crane]

is it true?

[lavish jacinth]

8 * 0.75, 1 shot per second = ~6 pps
in practice it's a little lower due to charging the shotgun

[steady stone]

or just 1.0 on his alt m1

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

[round crane]

fucking hell

[lavish jacinth]

taking any portal besides the main teleporter will always loop

[round crane]

so much time wasted

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, you can just go around again

stages tend to go faster when you're looping, enemies drop a lot more gold and you're already strong

[steady stone]

you get the choice to loop/fight EVERY stage 5

[round crane]

i know

[steady stone]

so stage 11 you can fight him and probably wont struggle by then

items outscale timer

[round crane]

what to pick if im alredy stuck in this infinite loop of playtime ( check my dc profile )

[steady stone]

left is titanic, right is the snow forest

[round crane]

i was in titanic i think

[lavish jacinth]

or just don't pick, it's optional

[round crane]

im taking snow smth

[left ore]

are delicate watches theoretically unbreakable with transcendence?

[round crane]

youre right

[steady stone]

Shield still counts towards stuff like health thresholds and the huntress achievement

Barrier does not

the like, only exception i think is sojourn

[round crane]

😠 🤬

at least meethook

[steady stone]

you can go to stage 20 for too

but id recommend doing that as commando with no lunars

[round crane]

this is a rare fucking sighting WHAT THE FUCK IS A BOSS DOING THERE

[steady stone]

commando also has an unlock for stage 20 no lunars meaning you can knock em both out at once

[daring cloak]

That happens after a while

If you're very unlucky you may even encounter them pre loop

[round crane]

nuh uh this is not a while this is spawned 5 seconds ago

[lavish jacinth]

"a while" as in the total time in the run

the game starts spawning bosses as normal enemies on late stages

[daring cloak]

In multiplayer possibly even stage 1

[steady stone]

as time passes, the "director" which is kinda like stage jesus will get more "credits"
"credits" are used to spawn enemies, bigger enemies cost more credits

they also store over time, so if you go high up for long enough it will accumulate credits, possibly spawning insane pools when you get back down

there's technically a LOT more, but there's so much that the wiki page for directors could probably count as a short story

[round crane]

YESSS

i just obliterated 2 xi somethings bosses

WARHORN YES

hooks of heresy number 4

@steady stone what did defiant gouge do again

[daring cloak]

Every shrine spawns enemies when you use it

[round crane]

oh

[daring cloak]

Its decent

[round crane]

i dont rly need that

[daring cloak]

If you can manage to survive it you'll get a lot of extra money

[round crane]

i guess with infusion it would be great

[daring cloak]

Ehhhhh

[trim lynx]

infusion caps at 100 health per stack

not really :P

[round crane]

@daring cloak what does the pink dot mean cause ik that the blue dot means bazar

[daring cloak]

Thats for void locus

[round crane]

whats that?

[daring cloak]

Void locus is a special stage that leads up to the planetarium where you fight voidling

[round crane]

void means cool thats all i know

planetarium hm thats how u unlock void fiend

[daring cloak]

Going to void locus or the planetarium means no turning back

[round crane]

i rly dont care if im not going there 😆

[daring cloak]

You can try

You'll probably lose the run but its a good learning opportunity for what is in there

[round crane]

WOW IM SHREDDING STONE TITANS

of course not

this was supposed to be a joke run but rn its turning into smth else and also i want to kill mithrix

imagine i would get another scorpion

or wait

BAZOOKA

[daring cloak]

Wouldnt be as good as you think

It'd still be decent but with how negative barrier works it would become less and less powerful

[round crane]

is ceremonial dagger good sir @daring cloak

[daring cloak]

not a sir but yeah ceremonial dagger is pretty good but doesnt really do much when fighting mithrix

[round crane]

ik

i just got it from a chance shrine but im not complaining

[trim lynx]

its a pretty good red

[round crane]

the fuck is THIS @daring cloak

[daring cloak]

The celestial portal

[round crane]

where does it go

[daring cloak]

This will take you to a moment fractured where you can end your run by obliterating yourself

This will unlock mercenary

[round crane]

nuh h

[cedar yew]

hllo
I recently purchased the SOTS DLC.
I want to get the false son, but I don't know how to get to the Aureolite portal (without using the original temple to summon her).

[trim lynx]

you need to find a golden chance shrine

they are quite rare

[cedar yew]

I've watched tutorials on YouTube, and from what I understand, when I enter the DLC temple portal in Phase 1, I'm supposed to find and activate the same temple on the map as that portal, but it never appears (I use the radar to check). What am I doing wrong? Should I do it on hard mode?

[trim lynx]

alternatively you can sometimes get gilded coast from a lunar seer in the bazaar between time