ror2-game-questions

[cerulean otter]

Does each stage have a certain amount of chests?

Or does that number randomize as well?

[daring cloak]

Yes

[feral zinc]

How long would providence and the population of petrichor 5 be able to fend off an invasion from dooms hell

[honest badger]

no

[gloomy rampart]

thank you

im 300 minutes in just had to make sure

[full apex]

no, but theres roughly the same amount of overall stuff. theres a stage director thats given a certain amount of credits to spend when generating the stage, which it spends by spawning chests, printers, drones, etc.

so on average youll see the same amount of chests, but each time you go it will be a bit different

the pool of what can spawn, how likely they are to spawn, and how many credits the director gets, are different for each stage as well. so some will spawn more total stuff than others, and some may spawn more chests specifically than others compared to the rest of the stuff it spawns

[hushed dagger]

mercenary vs comamndod wo has the strogner m1

[fallen bridge]

commando

[cerulean otter]

Wow, thank you for the detailed explanation!!

[hoary sedge]

if you count expose transfer as part of the m1 then mercenary but if not commando

[fallen bridge]

merc expose transfer is very strong but it doesn't really compare to the consistency & reliability of mando

[hushed dagger]

Borkando

[fallen bridge]

y'know, messages take time to write ...

[hoary sedge]

i think they were replying to charlotte lol

[hushed dagger]

.ya' swt t,ns ia ektr o eswemmeet.koig. 💔 💔

[fallen bridge]

oh 😭

well nevermind then ...

[cerulean otter]

Aw crap I forgot to link it to charlotte responding to me lol

[hushed dagger]

too bad supakoopatroopa you're now a villain of this server

https://tenor.com/view/risk-of-rain-2-diablo-strike-kill-this-guy-with-hammers-ror2-gif-7375592352066559564

[cerulean otter]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-glasses-stare-glasses-gif-15313333

[hushed dagger]

no gif perms.................

[cerulean otter]

Didn’t know that, man I truly am a villain

[hushed dagger]

be damned.......

[cerulean otter]

Im just committing cardinal sins over here lol

[gloomy rampart]

does sirens call not appear on drizzle 😭

[hushed dagger]

it does

youve just been very not is luck

[gloomy rampart]

im on stage 34

its been 5 hours bro

[hushed dagger]

bad luck 💔

[gloomy rampart]

💔

[hushed dagger]

try newt altars

[gloomy rampart]

i avoided them because i had an army of drones but atp im just gonna do that now

[hushed dagger]

wdym

whyd you avoid because of drones whats the correlation 💔

[gloomy rampart]

i just realized

i intrusively thought it killed them all

i js wanted my drones 💔

[hushed dagger]

no!! it just disables them for the stage, you get em back after 💔

[gloomy rampart]

😭 no wayyy

is "you dream of serenity" sirens call

wait nvm i can js look it up

[hushed dagger]

gorilla

[full apex]

merc m1 i feel like is probably better on average.. it would only barely be behind mando m1 by itself but has really big aoe and the expose also gives full kit cdr

mando has range but merc is so mobile thats not a big deal, and mando m1 also has falloff so

commando would get more procs per second for like bleed tho

[mystic walrus]

Any tips for the false son fight? I'm struggling to see how to approach the fight, aside from staying as far as possible from its melee range, and it's quite a lot harder than mithrix since you don't have as many items when you get there

I'm also struggling with the halyconite enemy it's kinda hard to dodge the spinning move

[solemn wind]

You're gonna want to try to stay at mid-range for both and never stop moving. Keep dodging whenever you can. You don't have to enter the path to the false son at zone 1

Remember to use the geodes, they clear lunar ruin and protect you

[mystic walrus]

I've been playing chef and it is tempting to try to get in melee range to freeze him. When is it safe to get close?

[solemn wind]

There isn't a firm answer to that you're gonna want to watch him learn his rhythm and find thelulls

[trim narwhal]

do you need to melee to freeze? the icebox is projectiles

[lavish jacinth]

play defensive and wear him down, use cover and stay near geodes as much as you can. Most of the difficulty of the fight is just from the amount of stuff going on at once, if you can focus on avoiding that then FS himself usually isn't too much of a problem as long as you keep your distance

also he aggroes to minions really easily, respawnable minions are secretly op for that fight

[solemn wind]

Yeah it's mostly a thing about how well you can split your focus

Like, attention. Not attacks. Just understanding and eaving between everything to focus fire on FS

[mystic walrus]

I guess I need to stop treating him less like mithrix going ooga booga freeze op

[solemn wind]

False son is way easier than mithrix if you approach it from a direction of paying attention and exercising skill to fight him instead of just hoping your build does it for you, but he is really hard if you want your build to do it for you and don't have respawning allies

[void fossil]

How does false sons growth work
I need to get 40 but I can’t get more and I’m at 37
Does it just stop randomly

[solemn wind]

It doesn't stop but it does slow down

Just keep going

[void fossil]

How do you get more cus I’ve been tanking like a gazillion hits

[solemn wind]

(Btw you need to get to 44. 40 from growth. You'll want another stone flux pauldrone or two)

[solemn wind]

Just keep raising max hp

[lavish jacinth]

it's based on how much extra hp you have from items, getting hit doesn't do anything for it

[void fossil]

I have that one build where you level up from getting hit
So I thought that was how

[solemn wind]

Oh no your level doesn't help at all

You need to raise max hp with items

[trim narwhal]

your level can help indirectly

[golden hound]

a quick way to get it is to get 2-3 repulsion armors, a decent amount of rolls of pennies, go to a bazaar and get longstanding solitude and stone flux pauldron, and finally just let the enemies pile up on you

[trim narwhal]

stoneflux will give u extra hp from that level

[golden hound]

this was how i got the achievement so it should work

is atg missles or plasma shrimp better on commando

[brittle shuttle]

basically prioritize in % hp increases

not the flat hp increases (bison steak infusion and titanic knurl)

the % hp increases are
prayer beads, growth nectar, stoneflux, both pearls, spinel tonic, and longstanding solitude (doesnt directly give you growth but since you have more levels you have more hp so your % hp items are better blah blah blah)
also ego lets you get a fuckton of pearls if you also wanna count that

you can get the secondary unlock really easily with just one longstanding solitude, a few roll of pennies, and a few stonefluxes

[lavish jacinth]

shrimp tends to be better in general, unless you have clover

[brittle shuttle]

level does tho

its why solitude is unironically false sons best growth item

[solemn wind]

Okay fair level effects % items

Sorry i ideologically refuse to do math about video games i did enough math in college for a lifetime

Don't do STEM, kids

[void fossil]

I have 40 gimme the damn ability

[full apex]

i dont think the base 4 count so you need 44

[void fossil]

Bro

[lyric pasture]

What is the best / most fun false son loadout

[solemn wind]

Yes

Laser burst is great but beyond that anything

[foggy kite]

How do I activate boost on chef?

[lavish jacinth]

equip yes chef and hit R

[foggy kite]

OHHHHH

Thank you

[hasty tinsel]

Does the false son unlock that requires 40 spikes count if you do it by stacking stone flux pauldrons?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, anything that contributes to growth counts

[hasty tinsel]

Awesome, was a little unsure since the popup didn't come up, but I'm guessing it's the sort that checks on the end.

[lavish jacinth]

well you need 44 in total

the inital 4 don't count

[hasty tinsel]

Oooooh, GAIN 40, not HAVE 40.

My bad on that.

[lavish jacinth]

trust me, you are not the first

[hasty tinsel]

Aaaand reached 46 and no popup yet.

Guess it's an end-run check.

[mellow crystal]

Backup magazines don't count

It has to be from growth

[hasty tinsel]

Oooh, yeah I have 3 backup mags, so that'd put it at 43.

[golden hound]

what are those green elites that have a field around them

[hasty tinsel]

Healing elites.

[mellow crystal]

A field as in a warbanner-type circular field or as in special swirly effects

[golden hound]

warbanner kind of field

not the healing one

[mellow crystal]

Because celestine is the only elite with a warbanner-type field but they're more blue than green

They make any other non-celestine enemies in the field invisible

[golden hound]

i looked it up its malachite

[mellow crystal]

Ohh yup that's the other one I was thinking of with the swirly effects

[hasty tinsel]

Oh that one doesn't project a field around itself.

You were looking at the malachite shards it scatters around.

[mellow crystal]

The swirly field doesn't actually do anything, it's just a visual, but the elite itself disables all healing for a while whenever it damages you

Also shoots out spikes on occasion that stick to surfaces and do the same thing on contact

They ALSO leave behind an aggressive urchin on death that shoots at you before dying

Kinda funny how many different things they do

[primal vector]

I never understood the urchin thing. Seems like overkill. Maybe its intended to give lore

[hasty tinsel]

Damnit, I messed up on letting aurelionite get the mithrix kill!

I misjudged how much health mithrix had left and killed him with a single spike.

[fallen bridge]

it makes me very happy that they are mostly loop-exclusive ...

[tough plank]

When you run brittle crown longstanding solitude, why shouldn’t you stack ls?

[chrome glade]

What the stats to get growth

Like what growth

How growth

[solemn wind]

Max health from items

[steady stone]

if you're asking about the exact stats, this is from the wiki.gg

[chrome glade]

How do I know bonus health

[lavish jacinth]

health granted by items, rather than from leveling up

[chrome glade]

I don’t get it

[steady stone]

📿 :growthnectar:

[lavish jacinth]

although levels can affect it if you have health multipliers like stone flux or pearls

more bonus health = more growth = more lunar spikes and stuff

[chrome glade]

I’ve had more than 40 spikes but not get the challenge

[lavish jacinth]

it doesn't count the 4 that you start with or backup mags

it has to be 40 spikes gained through growth

[solemn wind]

They need to rephrase that achievement

[steady stone]

we really should make like, a pin with the maybe 2-3 patch 3 questions that keep getting asked

[chrome glade]

What

Like a frequently asked questions

[steady stone]

yeah, so we can use the check pins sticker lol

[lavish jacinth]

the growth thing specifically gets asked like 10+ times a day

and people keep reporting it as a bug

[solemn wind]

Eh ppl won't check the pins anyway

[steady stone]

yeah, using the "check pins" sticker i bet would save fax a lot of time tho

or whoever is in here at the time

[solemn wind]

Most of the times the question is asked have been right after it was asked

[solemn wind]

I'm usually here these days cause I want to talk RoR2 but I also want to go into the dlc blind so I've gotta stay here where ppl won't be talking about the trailer

[steady stone]

so, are the big questions rn just the Seeker 500k, False Son 44 spike, and chef burn stacks? i can probably type somethin up

[solemn wind]

Ppl keep also asking best items and best build but yeah that's pretty much it for stuff that actually has clean answers iirc

[chrome glade]

Personally I’ll just ask questions and not check puns I ain’t got time for that

[solemn wind]

Checking pins is faster tho

And polite

[steady stone]

Why isn't the "False Son: Protein Heavy Diet" working?

• You need 40 additional spikes specifically through growth, meaning not the base 4 or . This makes you get at least 44 total.

How do I get the "Seeker: Scorched Earth" challenge?

• Since it requires you to do 500k total, the easiest way to do this is by using swarms to hit as many enemies as possible. Get multiple types of damage items to build off of eachother. also trivialises this due to the near infinite use time it gives sojourn. Glass (either artifact or item) changes the BASE damage, so you should avoid these. This has been patched with the recent update.

How do I get the "CHEF: It's Getting Hot In Here!" challenge?

• Since the burn stacks do indeed clear after use, you can use either other burn sources such as , or attack speed. The amount of burn stacks scales with attack speed, getting up to 26 stacks with 10 syringes.
• The "alternate" way according to the wiki.gg is: "After using unboosted Sear, quickly use "Yes, CHEF!" midway through the attack animation and then use boosted Sear immediately. If done correctly, this should apply 20 stacks of burn quickly enough to complete the challenge without relying on items."

i think those are the only ones that keep getting repeatedly asked, i dont check here as often as i used to though

[chrome glade]

What about Rex

[steady stone]

what about em?

[chrome glade]

How do challenge

[mellow crystal]

Which one

[steady stone]

oh, his unlock? i dont think that gets asked that frequently nowadays

not like 10 times a day at least

[lavish jacinth]

I can't even remember the last time anyone asked about how to get rex

occasionally there's a question about some of his unlocks but not enough to warrant a pin

[chrome glade]

All of them

[chrome glade]

I’m like Rex main

[steady stone]

if we ever update the character guides from like, 2022, it might be good to include them in the rex section ig

[lavish jacinth]

ok?

[mellow crystal]

For dunked just keep restarting runs until you get dunestrider on stage 2 aqueduct
Easier if you go to the bazaar after every stage 1 and dream for aqueduct

I can't remember what the other unlocks are tbh 😭

[lavish jacinth]

for the 50% health one just keep spamming mortar to keep your health under 50%, or you can stack enough so that more than half your health is shield and then just hurt yourself often enough to keep it from regenerating

the heal 1000hp at once thing is pretty straightforward, just get rejuv racks, a bunch of hp and foreign fruit or something

but yeah I don't think those are worth pinning, they hardly ever get asked

[pastel seal]

hi, could someone tell me which environments are in the game when you dont have any dlcs?

[steady stone]

Distant roost, titanic plains, verdant falls
Abandoned aqueducts, Wetland aspect
Rallypoint delta, scorched acres
Abyssal depths, siren's call
Sky meadow
Commencement

[pastel seal]

because theres one map in the log book between the first stage environments and the second stage environments which i dont know which is it

hold on, let me take a screenshot

[subtle owl]

I just started anyone have basic tips to help beat rainstorm difficultly

I have 20 runs so far

[steady stone]

items > time, try to get more items than minutes elapsed
avoid killing pointlessly if you have enough gold to full loot

[solemn wind]

Speed is key, always get a full clear, speeding up should mean moving faster and thinking faster not cutting corners

[mellow crystal]

Also try to go around the stage looking for chests while killing stuff so you know where to go for looting once you have all the gold

[solemn wind]

Keep track of what the items you have do and what holes are left in your build

[steady stone]

you learn what items are good generally, but let me find the basic description on proc v burst

uh basically this

[pastel seal]

thats the environment im talking about

[lavish jacinth]

don't worry too much about getting a "good build" either, the best build is usually having a bit of everything anyway since items tend to build on each other's effects (especially damage)

[subtle owl]

Is loader In the vanilla game are they DLC

[lavish jacinth]

vanilla

[solemn wind]

You're usually gonna have a few abilities that do damage and trigger on kill, when you do it's often smart to take on small enemies surrounding big enemies instead of targeting the big one because they sweep through things quickly and speed is life

[subtle owl]

Well I had an amazing build then I killed a grandparents and somehow it did thousands of damage in DOT after it died

[solemn wind]

Cover is your friend

[steady stone]

the dlc characters are

SOTS:
everybody else will be vanilla

[steady stone]

yeah, it makes an aoe and if you dont stand in the shadows you get burn stacks VERY fast

the shadows are an indicator of "safe" from their sun attack and the vagrant explosion

[mellow crystal]

The sun attack applies overheat and burn
Burn does damage, and overheat makes burn last longer

It does the sun attack if it falls below half health and like jiji said cover protects you from it

[subtle owl]

Yeah i didn't know that

I just tried to get enough distance

[solemn wind]

Yeah not likely to accomplish much with that

Cover helps with that and the jellyfish explosion and honestly most things

[subtle owl]

Oh I have no image perms to show what I had

[solemn wind]

If somethings a problem just break line of sight and then it isn't

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, it's based on line of sight, same as a wandering vagrant explosion

[steady stone]

#roles

[vague lily]

what is the best loadout for false son now after the update?

[solemn wind]

Either way there's no set of items that'll win the game for you (well there is but you shouldn't focus on that cause it's mostly luck) still best to try to dodge and keep track of what's happening. Just let them help instead of carry, focus less on "I've got such good items, I can never lose!" and more on avoiding danger and... just generally I see a lot of newbies forget this is still a video game and trust their items to fight for them you still gotta fight like a video game

[steady stone]

and there's really not an item that instantly wins, always get a mix

unless you're loader, then you can probably dump every green into kjaros tbh

[solemn wind]

It's probably best to just mess around and get a feel for what you enjoy. He doesn't have any bad builds tbh

[vague lily]

ok thx

[mellow crystal]

I'd say 1221 is possibly his worst but it's still false son so it isn't really bad

Or maybe 1211

Idk
1221 has anti-synergy with utility and special while 1211 has anti-synergy with utility and m2

[steady stone]

oh right, i heard laser of the father is bad now? what changed

[mellow crystal]

Well actually

[mellow crystal]

It used to have a bug where each use of it permanently increased its tickrate, making it a self-scaling ability essentially
They fixed that which was a major indirect nerf, and combined with the laser burst buffs it's just bad now

Legit using your m1s over lotf is more dps and also allows you to conserve lunar ruin stacks

[steady stone]

oh, they never nerfed that 3.0 proc either did they

so it would be way better lategame anyway

[mellow crystal]

They did

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's pretty average, not bad tho
Do you know about the guaranteed red item on stage 4 btw?

[mellow crystal]

They actually kinda replaced it with a more fun way to get higher than 1.0 proc
Slam now gets +0.5 proc coeff if you use it midair and stay midair for at least 0.5s before landing

[subtle owl]

I didn't there is one?

Also how many items should I leave stage 1 with

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, on abyssal depths and sundered grove there's a guaranteed legendary chest that spawns in pre-set spots, and on siren's call there's a secret boss that always drops one

[steady stone]

generally i'd say like, 8-15 for full loot? it's still partially RNG whether the director gives good loot

[mellow crystal]

Depends on a lot of things tbh
Dlc stages tend to have more chests and the number of chests/chance shrines per stage varies

But yeah 7-15 is generally the range for me

[solemn wind]

All of them, always best to go for a full clear

All the items, drones are helpful, turrets are kinda there I guess

[subtle owl]

But I don't know many chests there are

[solemn wind]

There's not a set number

[subtle owl]

I don't want to spend 5 minutes looking for a chest that doesn't exist

[solemn wind]

Just explore the whole level and get every chest you see

[mellow crystal]

7-15 depending on environment and rng

[solemn wind]

A big growth point in this game's learning the layouts of all the letters so it's less wandering and more searching

All the levels. Wow I'm stupid today

[lavish jacinth]

with experience you start to get a feel for how many there ought to be

[solemn wind]

But yeah really just explore the whole level and when you've swept it and it looks like you've got everything, you're ready

[subtle owl]

O h

I was doing so well and then a lunar chimera ERASED ME

[solemn wind]

Yeah they'll do that

[lavish jacinth]

commencement enemies don't fuck around

[mellow crystal]

Commencement enemies are a nice overconfidence check tbh

Moreso than mithrix actually because at least lunar wisps can hit you 💀

[lavish jacinth]

lol

yeah, I think they're appropriately difficult for a final stage

[hushed dagger]

seek my storm...

[solemn wind]

???

[weary cloud]

Are crits from lensmaker and harvester based on proc coefficient?

So does like nailgun have a lower chance to crit bc its .5

[lavish jacinth]

crit chance itself isn't affected by proc coeff, but the amount of healing you get from scythe and leeching seed is

[unborn ore]

Hey, is there something like a item description Mod, to see what items do before i take them?

[lavish jacinth]

that exists in vanilla, just turn on inspect item in settings

it's under that umbrella settings thing on the first page

[mellow crystal]

On top of what faxmachine said lookingglass allows you to ping items to see their full logbook descs

[unborn ore]

Oh thats cool 👀 Thank you!

[unborn ore]

And how do i get this area gone?

[random remnant]

kill the purple guys

[unborn ore]

Ohh, thats how you do it, thank you

[honest badger]

kill the WHAT

[jade oasis]

what are the general playstyle/guidelines that I should follow whenplaying seeker in multiplayer? for example what items do I prioritise

[mellow crystal]

Seeker kinda just likes everything tbh since her kit is so insane

That said if you're using sojourn then are great

[jade oasis]

well yeah, but surely there are some which are more appealing than others, especially depending on my teammate right?

and I dont use sojourn, too tupid for it plsu I love the vfx of the tornado

[winter elk]

Guys is seeker bugged?

The new abilities don’t seem to proc a lot and don’t scale …?I feel like they don’t

Most talking about the palm ability (haven’t unlocked the tornado )

[jade oasis]

iirc the palm doesnt scale past lvl 1 yes, idk about the other abilities though

but mentioning it yeah the 1700% doesnt feel much like 1700% damagelater on...

(meditate)

[winter elk]

Isn’t it 700% damage ?

[jade oasis]

palm blast is, plus additional scaling with tranquility which I cant tellyou, but meditate at max tranquility should be 1700%

[winter elk]

Is meditate better than the palm?

Palm is fun but it’s no point using it if it doesn’t scale well…

[jade oasis]

meditate is LEAGUES better than palm

like, its not even close

[ornate gust]

That self revive buff was really needed

[jade oasis]

first of all it gives you a free dio every single stage

[ornate gust]

And also the fact that it revives past the 7th stack

[jade oasis]

then its a massive aoe, that heals, and also its way easier to stack tranquility with it

its a busted ability and 10x better than palm blast in like every way

except maybe range, but everything else easily makes up for it

[winter elk]

Thank you so much
Now I know how good meditate
I just got the seekers dlc so I never really got to play seeker a lot

Also between sojourn and other utility ability

Sojourn is better?

[jade oasis]

yeah I also got it like 2 days ago, but have been obsessing over it nonstop

[jade oasis]

I should say take this with a grain of salt and PLEASE someone else better than me answer this aswell but from my experience alt utility is better, its way better mobility if you learn to control it, it gives some very nice crowd control, sets up your secondary skill for garantueed hits, and is good always and dosent require items, plus ngl atleast ive found that damage isnt smth thats missing in seekers kit so sojourn feels a bit exessive to me

again pls someone better answer aswell but those are my thoughts

[jade oasis]

literally afree dios every stage, its nuts

[ornate gust]

The devs really cooked

[winter elk]

Looks cooler too! But that’s my PO

[jade oasis]

YESSSS, summoning a giant tornado before slapping them with my giant balls makes me feel so powerful

(seekers alt secondary)

[ornate gust]

The balls are quite powerful

[winter elk]

Never underestimate them balls

[mellow crystal]

Both are great but it is kind of hard to beat sojourn's infinite damage scaling + hitbox deletion + invulnerability even though it already deletes your hitbox????

[winter elk]

Also for some reason

Later stages the palm doesn’t proc as much?? Like around stage 5 every time I use the palm it doesn’t proc my bands but it did in earlier stages

[ornate gust]

Oki

[mellow crystal]

Yeah that's a result of the damage not scaling with level
Bands trigger on hits that deal 400% of your base damage
Palm blast eventually does less than that because it doesn't scale with your base damage 😭

There is a mod that fixes that bug at least, PalmPatcher

[winter elk]

Is the palm not scaling intentional or a bug…?

[mellow crystal]

It's a bug

[winter elk]

Ohhh yeah I saw that as well

[jade oasis]

im assuming this bug doesnt happen with meditate right? this might just be me nothaving played enough but it does soemtimes feel like the damage later on isnt 1700%

[honest badger]

last tip isn't correct, refer to the wiki.gg for the easier method

[steady stone]

ah, for merf?

[daring cloak]

Meditate is normal

[jade oasis]

alright good, im just tupid then

[honest badger]

sear -> yes chef -> sear works for the achievement with proper timing

you have to use yes chef to cancel the sear early though, the timing is rly tight

luckily you get tons of chances

[steady stone]

i mean that doesnt sound incorrect then, it just sounds like there's some tech

[honest badger]

well you don't "need" other sources of burn

they just make it easier

[jade oasis]

what do extra stacks of luminous shot do? im assuming add more lightning but im not sure

[honest badger]

each item lets you get another stack of the buff

so two of them lets you get 6 max instead of 5

[steady stone]

more charges, damage, and exp on kill (?)

[steady stone]

i didnt even know it gave more exp on kill until i googled it tbh

[daring cloak]

It still does that?

[lavish jacinth]

maybe?

[honest badger]

luminous shot is crazy good on false son...

[steady stone]

i mean it saysss but, it might be outdated

[lavish jacinth]

It's really hard to tell in game lol

[honest badger]

but yeah the merf thing isn't incorrect just the phrasing "you need either other sources of burn or atk speed"

[steady stone]

done

[honest badger]

thx

[winter elk]

Guys how do I calculate how much 500000% damage is for sojourn?

Trying to get the other ability for seeker

[steady stone]

The damage numbers are shown on hit per target, but are kinda hard to see while in the very visually distracting mess that this game can become
As for tactics, check the pinned message

[winter elk]

Alright thank you !

[steady stone]

iirc the numbers are pretty small, but something like the LookingGlass mod might help with their DPS counters and such too

[bold elbow]

If i loop the run through the artifact thing that brought me to stage 1 can i obliterate and get mercenary on that same run

[daring cloak]

Yes

[jade oasis]

are proc items worth keeping on false son or nah? and overall what items do I look out for and what items do I scrap (yes ik health items are op, but other than that)

[marsh gust]

Yes
Lunar ruin affects on hit items twice

Or more with chains

[lavish jacinth]

false son is good with basically everything

(and total damage procs are good on everyone)

[jade oasis]

alright then cool

[jade oasis]

well yeah but id rather scrap a sticky grenade on acrid to print smth better

wheras id keep it on commando

[lavish jacinth]

Acrid is kind of a special case

at least if you play him passively and just let poison do all the work

[marsh gust]

Playing acrid more actively does allow for much more value from those items

M1 does some pretty good damage

[lavish jacinth]

but yeah for false son it's hard to go wrong, the only thing that would really screw him over is

even then he's still strong, but he loses any benefits from growth

[jade oasis]

I seee

oki, havent given him a proper try yet so just wanted to make sure

before screwing myself lol

[royal swift]

do you guys know what the little halcyonite thing here does?

its not here cause i shot it

its in the corner on the right behind the portal to exit the bazaar

just over here

[daring cloak]

If you find and break all 3 a green portal appears

[royal swift]

waow

[snow carbon]

how many times should I loop as commander in multiplayer wth 1 friend

?

[daring cloak]

As many times as you want

[hasty tinsel]

Ooooh, okay that is extremely helpful as a reliable way to get to that alt path.

[daring cloak]

Yes thats why they were added

[hasty tinsel]

First I've heard of them tbh.

[mellow crystal]

They were added semi-recently in phase 2 of the sots reworks so that's probably why

[lyric pasture]

how rare is gold portal from bazaar and what stages can i find it on? my luck isnt great and i have a lunar that stops me getting money

[primal vector]

If you cannot earn money, going to the gold portal is going to be a chore

[lyric pasture]

yeah it really is sadly

[placid mauve]

It's very difficult to not get softlocked in gilded coast if you have that item
It might even be impossible to do it, I don't remember

[daring cloak]

You only get softlocked if you cant pay for the halcyon shrines anymore due to reaching the level cap

[languid pulsar]

known release date of the new dlc?

[daring cloak]

No

Theyre aiming for this year but it might take until next year

[lyric pasture]

i didnt even think of that, luckily i decided to restart the run

[languid pulsar]

awwe shucks. guess i'll wait for SOTS to go under 7.22 and get it

[fast briar]

I'm guessing Q4 2025 cuz they got extra devs too and now they're almost exclusively working on a dlc most test youtubers said was already decently polished and in a better state than sots is now

[hasty tinsel]

To answer this question though, they aren't outrageously rare, nothing for it but to just keep checking in really.

But yeah you probably do not want to go in with the lunar that auto-converts gold to xp.

[elfin pulsar]

how rare is a shatterspleen printer?

[primal vector]

Quite rare

[honest badger]

same as any other yellow printer

[unborn ore]

Im having a hard time sometimes to find chests, does anyone maybe has a tip?

[jade oasis]

ive found that the mod StageRecap helped me get better at full looting, it just tells you what you missed when you teleport to the next stage, really motivates you to get em all, I also just try to build a map in my mind as I go through the stage, that way I know where ive been and havent been, but other than that itll really just take practice and getting better map knowledge

[unborn ore]

The mod sounds like a good idea, thank you

[weary cloud]

If u go to newt stage 5 does it auto loop you?

[primal vector]

Yes

[jade oasis]

it is, its great!, warning itll make you feel horrible when you first start using it, but it will make you improve faster, just keep track of where youve been and havent that stage and youll find all the chests in no time

[jade oasis]

does laser burst have limited range? I thought it was infinite

[lyric pasture]

what is the downside of transcendence?

[trim narwhal]

shield is a sidegrade to hp, also it nukes false sons growth and rex self dmg cant really use it

but ya usually its just an upgrade especially on eclipse

[hasty tinsel]

Besides being a death sentence for false son, shields also need to go without being damaged for a short while to start regenerating.

[honest badger]

Nukes anything that uses your max health instead of your combined health and prevents regen

[hasty tinsel]

Healing also doesn't work on shields, though aegis still works so that is an option even though that will be nerfed hard too since most healing scales with max health on top of flat healing.

[unborn ore]

When is the Celestial Portal spawning? Im on Stage 8 rn

[daring cloak]

When you beat the tp event

[hasty tinsel]

The celestial portal will always spawn first as an orb around the tp, then as a full portal when you beat the boss.

[unborn ore]

Ah i see, sadly i died to the boss

[hasty tinsel]

Sad, but happens. Are you trying for anything in particular with that?

[unborn ore]

I want to unlock Mercenary

[hasty tinsel]

Nothing for it but to keep trying really, don't be afraid to try for other stuff while at it too, more characters and optons means it's easier and easier to eventually find something that clicks just right in such a way you can bast through to the portal.

[rare obsidian]

What's the best way to get the Loader: Earthshatter acheivement?

[chrome glade]

If I bought the complete edition will I get the new dlc when out?

[solemn wind]

Which one was that?

[rare obsidian]

land a charged gauntlet hit at 300mph or more

[hasty tinsel]

Do it from a swing, might need some movement items to further boost your speed.

You're gonna want to swing tarzan-style with loader anyways.

[solemn wind]

Yeah honestly you should just be in the habit of doing that anyway. Just grapple towards someone and then utility at full speed

[hasty tinsel]

Towards or using the speed from swinging of something, pretty sure the latter is faster even.

Time it right on a swing and you can fly across a whole stage in seconds.

[rare obsidian]

I'm not a big fan of Loader so its pretty new to me. I'll try though, thanks

[runic seal]

is there any point in me keeping this if im running single player

[hasty tinsel]

The faster you move, the more damage your utility skill does, and you don't need to worry about fall damage either.
The unmatched mobility and incredibly high burst damage makes them one of the best survivors in the game.

[hasty tinsel]

It should be healing you too, I believe.

[solemn wind]

And your drones and the like

[runic seal]

didn't notice any healing unless its like a slight increase to base regen

[weary cloud]

Are engineer mobile turrets usable? Ive hesrd their bad but are they THAT bad?

[solemn wind]

They're pretty terrible

[weary cloud]

whats so bad about them other than the ai?

[hasty tinsel]

Oh yeah nvm, it only affects nearby players.

Engineer mobile turrets start out weaker than stationary turrets but they can still do work imo.

[solemn wind]

Mostly the ai meaning you can't put them in strategic positions they'll always be in the worst possible position combined with them being too slow to really follow you around so the whole benefit isn't a thing

I personally still prefer them. But I gotta admit they're garbage

[runic seal]

in that case wouldn't it work on engineers turrets being like insanely op

[hasty tinsel]

I use them now and then and they work well, you do need mobility items though, specifically coffees and hooves as they don't count as sprint.

[solemn wind]

It works on drones and turrets and the like

[weary cloud]

Okay thank you ill try it

[hasty tinsel]

Mending elites can't heal other mending elites, so actually no.

[runic seal]

damm thats annoying

[weary cloud]

They increase in speed with movement otems right?

[solemn wind]

Turrets don't inherit equipment though

Just items

[hasty tinsel]

Mobile turrets on engineer kinda demands you be more active in a fight yourself, but I think they're fun and solid, if overshadowed by the power of his stationary ones.

[weary cloud]

So they dont get increased crit and such from ocular hud?

[solemn wind]

Yeah you can make up for their issues they just need a lot of move speed and a lot more offensive power. I enjoy them

[weary cloud]

Alright thanks ill try em out

Whats their dmg like compared to the dtationary?

[solemn wind]

Idk the game should tell you that in the ability breakdowns

[hasty tinsel]

Pretty much, they start weaker but the ability to move makes them much more survivable late game since they don't just perish from being in a lingering aoe or the like, like from shrooms or those bouncing lunar orb enemies.

[solemn wind]

Been a while since i've played engi. He's way too hands-off and clunky for my taste

[full apex]

harpoons

[runic seal]

i used to play engi when i was playing with alot of other people and was going for a chill long run

[hasty tinsel]

A little stronger iirc but they have shorter range.

[weary cloud]

It days ir shoots a laser but thats it iirc

[full apex]

harpoons are great and spider mines can just be used like any other burst damage ability

[weary cloud]

Seems fun for a more aggressive playstyle, ill try it out

[full apex]

mobile turrets are also more interactive since they will follow but you can replace dynamically to force them to retarget

[hasty tinsel]

Personally my main issue I have with engineer is his primary, I want it to be a passive charge with click to fire, rather than hold to charge and release to fire.

[full apex]

being able to charge while sprinting is a consolation but his m1 is eh

[weary cloud]

I wish it didnt stop u from sprinting to charge it even if u can js reclick it

[full apex]

very similar damage, slightly better proc per second, worse total damage proc dps for like atg

[solemn wind]

Yeah and he doesn't really have other attacks other than the alt utility so I can basically wait for the cooldown to fire four shots, or write a notarized letter politely requesting the enemies die, walk on down to the post office, send it out, and wait patiently for it to arrive

[full apex]

moving helps them dodge stuff like bells or mushrums or elder lems tho which end up basically shredding stationary turrets, even with bungus

harpoons are funny with the speed aim tech

[hasty tinsel]

Yeah those things kill stationary turrets a lot, especially shrooms as they don't need to be melee to do that.

Big imps can nuke them super fast too.

[pliant vine]

Does anyone know a fix to the stats being bugged. Not sure if it was because of my game crashing but right after I booted the game after I crashed for being too far it said I had picked 2000+ games of that character and died like 1000+ times

[full apex]

i like engi

i wish the normal mines were less terrible

[hasty tinsel]

Admittedly big imps can nuke mobile turrets too, they just have a chance to walk out of the attack before they're fully nuked.

[weary cloud]

Whats that?

[full apex]

if you just hold the aim reticle on a target it locks one by one, but if you move it off and back on it locks instantly. so you can wipe the aimer left and right over the enemy to lock all 4+ super fast

[solemn wind]

I wish the primary was less terrible. Honestly if he just had a primary that felt like I was playing the game he'd prob be my main

[daring cloak]

Well thats kind of the intent

His primary is supposed to be shitty so youre more reliant on the turrets

[solemn wind]

I understand the decision. I just also disagree with it

[full apex]

it makes engi surprisingly mobile in combat since you focus on movement, lock harpoons quick and then start charging m1 and sprinting, and then stop to shoot inbetween charges.

no mobi skill but you can keep moving a lot similar to huntress with low time spent attacking in each burst

[livid wedge]

I like engi primary

[hasty tinsel]

I think the main reason people dislike engi's primary is that it's a charge and release, it is just clunky.

[full apex]

charge + spread + not long range

[solemn wind]

Yeah it's just unpleasant to use

[full apex]

coupled with only decent damage, it just has a lot of individually eh traits which add to making it feel bad

i dont dislike it that much but i def get why a lot of people really dont like it

luckily replacing it with visions is lowkey optimal

longer range fixed that, homing fixes spread, and instead of charging actively its passive. + better dps for engi and turrets makes it really appealing

[hasty tinsel]

Yeah, but mainly the charge needing to be actively done, rather than something that happens passively.

Literally changing nothing but the charge from active to passive, and firing to click instead of release, would make it less clunky to use.

At least then it goes from a meh attack you need to commit to well in advance to a meh attack you can just... use.

[full apex]

i dont mind it that much

[lyric palm]

how do i decide which mercenary skills to select, and how do i play merc in later stages (besides the obvious things like staying mobile and all that)

[full apex]

especially since in active combat thats basically how it works, and part of the design is being less reactive compared to basically almost everything being reactive

[full apex]

all of his skills are good, especially slicing winds. theres a guide pinned here, its kinda old but still pretty good since merc hasnt really changed

this

[lyric palm]

i used to play merc a lot years ago on the switch tho i always used eviscerate for the invuln

[full apex]

thats totally fair. evis is pretty solid

[hasty tinsel]

Merc's default utility can do up to 3 dashes, combine that with his default ult and you have 4 combat dashes that allow you to get in, wreak havoc for a moment then escape.

[full apex]

his whle kit is just good which is nice

[full apex]

the huge CDR from slicing winds also lets you spam the util dashes really hard

[lyric palm]

i see

might have to try to get the expose dash tech down and try it

[full apex]

yea m1 transfer is really cool

its funny, attack speed can be a slight hindrance since it makes that harder and too high makes it impossible

idk if its enough to avoid it but def makes it worth not prioritizing

[lyric palm]

when do i want to dash? when the attack just begins winding up?

[full apex]

Yea, as long as the third swing starts it should resolve

You'll get a feel for it, its not toooo hard

[lyric palm]

👍

[lyric palm]

does "slamming" from the merc guide still work?

[steady stone]

From what I've heard from the community, it's possible but basically patched out since the gearbox updates reworked physics

Trimping is also strange now, you take damage sometimes

kccdownpatcher is a mod that (mostly) reverts the physics though, if you would want that

[pliant vine]

Ive not been in the ror2 space for a while whats alloyed collective?

[steady stone]

Upcoming DLC that was announced after the third SOTS patch

They talk about it a bit in this dev diary, their general upcoming plans.
#announcements message

[pliant vine]

tyty

Is there a way to modify your stats cuz mine got bugged

[daring cloak]

Your player stats getting fucked over is just kinda a rite of passing

Happens to everyone eventually

[steady stone]

Profile? Yeah. RealerCheatUnlocks let's you unlock and lock stuff
As for profile it doesn't really matter. The logbook barely works anyway lol

[daring cloak]

I have 2 separate beetle entries in the profile stats lmao

[steady stone]

That thing is held together by duct tape and some of the pages fly out sometimes

[steady stone]

I have 2 commandos in my playtime

[daring cloak]

Oh also

[steady stone]

That and for some reason Enforcer appears there when you don't have the mod, because they never removed him or something from that

[pliant vine]

Yeah cuz it randomly gave me 2000 character picked for enginneer and also 1000+ deaths

[daring cloak]

Not really my player stats bugging out but I once somehow got to level 95 and the stats are keeping that tracked

[steady stone]

Normally when you restart your game it might fix

[daring cloak]

So thats a rarity im proud of having

[steady stone]

The max is 94 right? Didn't some guy get to 96 once?

[daring cloak]

Yeah

Do not fucking ask me why you can sometimes just

Go past integer limit??????

[pliant vine]

My game crashed i was at stage 40 and when i rebooted the stats was like that

And i had like less than 10 picked for engineer but now its 2000

[steady stone]

i mean console and PC handle int limits very differently from what I've seen, so I doubt it would go a level higher on both

[daring cloak]

No no the level cap on console is 94 too

[steady stone]

That could just be from trying to write data and getting interrupted from the crash, or it might just fix itself in the future

[daring cloak]

I somehow just....... surpassed it in one run

[steady stone]

Yeah, but the int limits are handled different. Console overflows for HP display -/- while PC is -intlimit/-intlimit

[pliant vine]

But is there a way to change player stats? Cuz i only need to change engineer pick and deaths im pretty sure

[daring cloak]

Hm yeah fair enough

[daring cloak]

Be proud of your fucked stats imo

[steady stone]

I don't think there would be a way unless the save file editor website has that or if it's in the text file.

[daring cloak]

Everyone's profiles break in their own special way

[pliant vine]

Yeah I suppose so 😭

[steady stone]

It would be kind of useless if the editor had that though, so your best bet might be the text file. Even then, doubtful

[pliant vine]

Yeah its probably fine ill be used to seeing engineer as my “top picked”

[daring cloak]

Yeah somehow preon has been my "favourite" equipment ever since before sotv

I do not know how I racked up such a high use time on it and I doubt its 100% real

[steady stone]

You COULD start a new profile and RealerCheatUnlocks what you had unlocked

[pliant vine]

Yeah that's true

I should probably be abit more careful on what items i have when playing on higher stages

I think it was brilliant beheamoth that caused me to crash or probably fireworks

[hasty tinsel]

First I've heard of those causing crashes then really.

What else did you have? Equipment especially.

[pliant vine]

I don't use equipments tbh I have credit card or scanner just to get as many items as possible

I had 1000+ items so might be something else but in my 0fps screen I saw lots of rockets which i think is beheamoth im not sure

Oh i do think that many items contributed to my crash

[hasty tinsel]

I think that's less the items and more just you being so late in a run that crashing was basically inevitable.

[pliant vine]

Idk it happened when I attacked a bunch of enemies, of course it hadnt happened the previous stage so you migth be correct

[pastel seal]

hi, is there another part of the stone in Sirens call that tells you the combination to the giant portal in stage 5?

[pliant vine]

I can show you the screenshot i took while "crashing"

[hasty tinsel]

My guess is it was an overload of effects and something tipped you over the edge.

[steady stone]

1000+ items, AoE, probably a lot of proc, id say you crashed off of whatever you started spawning from them

Merf, atg, stickies, etc

[pastel seal]

because i've been looking for it but cant find it

[pliant vine]

Yeah I had lots of things that can cause crash, of course I tried removing things that could prevent crash a little bit more but I do think it was a bit dumb of me since i had lots of stickies

is there any items in particular i should avoid when doing long runs or is there any vanilla friendly QOL mods that could help with prevent crashes?

I do have a lot of fun, a lot more than usual when doing long runs, it's just something about being really OP and demolishing everything yk turning off my brain for a moment

[hollow crow]

Will there ever be crossplay in ror2?

[steady stone]

You can turn off money effects, lower corpse count, and avoid items that spawn things to improve performance

[daring cloak]

No

[steady stone]

They haven't said anything about it and I dont think they plan on it

[hollow crow]

damn

[pliant vine]

I've done the first 2 things of course but wondering if there's any items you can think of that I can just write down (of course you dont need to I can figure it out myself) thank you anyways

[steady stone]

Merf is particularly bad, stickies spawn stuff and they stick around for a while, ATG...

Polylute and uke could lower performance a bit, it's just generally proc items

Not including status proc, like bleed, since they dont really spawn anything

[peak jacinth]

ICBM is bad for lag if you have any missile items

[steady stone]

Oh yeah, especially fireworks

[peak jacinth]

bandolier and ghors tome can also be bad at later stages when you are always killing a million enemies

[pliant vine]

Okay let me write what I had when crashing

[hasty tinsel]

Unless you're planning to do 3+ hour looping runs or something, you're probably never going to need to worry about that anyways.

[pliant vine]

I was at 5 hours

so I am doing that 😭

[steady stone]

You could send a screenshot, you just need a role

[peak jacinth]

#roles

[pliant vine]

What role cuz i was able to screenshot while at 0fps and crashing

[steady stone]

Any role

[peak jacinth]

any role

[opaque gate]

hey lads, I was aiming for stage 8 to obliterate myself for the survivor but the run is working really good, is there anything else thats higher stage that I could go for to unlock?

[steady stone]

Stage 20 to unlock clover

And then you can go obliterate at 23

[opaque gate]

oh gosh

[peak jacinth]

you can also go for artifacts every 5 stages

[pliant vine]

Here's the screenshot before I crashed I see I had many items that could cause lag, but I do think because i was so far has something to do with my crash since I've had these items for a while

[steady stone]

You'll have to do it again though. 20 stages as commando with no lunars for one of his unlocks

[steady stone]

So if you would want to knock those both out at once instead, it would be understandable

[steady stone]

yeah it's definitely the ATG and ICBM LOL

[peak jacinth]

it’s icbm

[steady stone]

it looks like a sparkler

[peak jacinth]

you can literally see it in the photo LOL

[pliant vine]

Yeah I was sure it was the stupid rockets

[solemn wind]

I love the icbm but it haaaaaates my computer lol

[full apex]

Merf is such a strong item, with good proc chains it melts the enemies and your pc

[pliant vine]

Though I havent had a problem with it until this stage, but maybe I can get further without the rockets, still a silly screenshot so worth the crash

[peak jacinth]

you also have 5 clovers so pretty much everything is spawning 3 atg rockets

that’s a recipe for disaster

[pliant vine]

Oh I think that's the reason I crashed

I was at the bazaar right before and i got myself 3 clovers

whoops

[lavish jacinth]

Clover is probably the bigger issue than the atgs

[full apex]

Hit procs uke procs atg a bunch procs a billion merfs, each meatball procs atgs on every enemy in range

[peak jacinth]

realistically, it’s the combination of everything

[solemn wind]

Honestly 5 full hours of ramping is gonna crash most games that allow that much ramping

[lavish jacinth]

Like proc chains can already get laggy but clover increases that exponentially

[pliant vine]

Yeah but you have to understand i've had those atgs and icmbs for so long so i think it was the clovers that hit the final strike in the coffin

[peak jacinth]

or vice versa, either way your game is GONE

[full apex]

Proc chains are too strong

[steady stone]

Eventually you could just stop picking up items. MOST enemies will stop scaling

[full apex]

Probably both LOL

[steady stone]

The exceptions being bosses and void rats for some reason

[pliant vine]

whats that? '

[peak jacinth]

proc items triggering other proc items

in basic terms

[pliant vine]

ohhh yeah

[steady stone]

If atg procs a sticky which procs a uke...

[pliant vine]

Well I should probably write down what not to use but it was a fun experience nonetheless and if you ask me, an amazing screenshot

[steady stone]

#ror2-discussion message

[full apex]

Sticky wont chain, but atg, uke, both perfs, and meathook will

[solemn wind]

I think it's less what not to use and more if you spend 5 straight ours pressing as hard as possible on the limits of a game, it's gonna crash

[steady stone]

Really? Could've swore sticky had like a 0.2 or 0.5...

[full apex]

Nop, just a payload

[peak jacinth]

boomerang is gonna proc a crap ton too

[full apex]

White chain item would be breaking

[peak jacinth]

1.0 proc co babyyyy

[full apex]

Oh right new ones
Boomerang is amazing. And runic resets the mask so it's very very funny with clovers

[pliant vine]

i appreciate the help though, making me understand the cause of the crash and what I can do to prevent it

[solemn wind]

Why does the smiling mask need reset?

[full apex]

Oh no i meant the proc chain mask

[pliant vine]

I also lost another 5 hour run because I went into bulwarks armbry and it was the chaos one :(

[steady stone]

Yeah, ATG can proc Runic can proc ATG can proc Runic

[full apex]

When a chain is happening, things cant proc twice down the tree. So if a bit procs atg, then the atg procs a uke, that specific uke proc cannot proc atg. And neither can its children

They can proc multiple times side by side just each individual branch cant dupe, except runic meteor because oops

[solemn wind]

Alright I'm confused now it sounds like this is getting into the math under the hood that I made it 1000 hours and basically every unlock into this game without learning and won't learn now. Because I am a spiteful [the rules hinted that swearing might be an issue but weren't clear so I'm just gonna not]

[full apex]

Doesn't have to be the math necessarily, just like if you proc a ukulele, each individual bounce would have a chance to proc atg, but if it did those atgs couldn't proc uke again

[steady stone]

If X makes Y, Y can't make X again

But runic just doesn't care

[full apex]

It does hace pseudo-icd tho since only one meteor can exist at a time

[pliant vine]

I think the next time I plan to go for that long I'll pick up whatever until stage 30+ ish maybe 35 then scrap the atgs and uke and such just to try prevent a crash

[full apex]

If it didn't, with clover it would absolutely be a crash machine by creating infinite loops

Cause 50% coeff too lmao

[peak jacinth]

swearing is so fucking fine as long as you’re not rude about it (swearing at people) 👍

[lavish jacinth]

If swearing wasn't allowed then half the people in this server would be banned lol

[solemn wind]

Alright cool in that case I refuse to learn math because I'm a spiteful bitch lol

[full apex]

Including me

[daring cloak]

If swearing in general was banned I would be dead 20 times over

[pliant vine]

how does ProperSave work when you crash? could that be good to use when doing long runs?

[peak jacinth]

oooooh yea I’ve got a lot of swears here lmao

[steady stone]

It saves at the start of every stage and you can resume from that point

[pliant vine]

Okay could be smart to use, especially in figuring out what causes crashes

thank you

[slow lance]

Can you not get False Son: High Protein Diet if command is on? Did a command/sacrifice run and got over 40 stacks but nothing came of it

[lavish jacinth]

You need 44, the 4 you start with don't count

Or backup mags

[slow lance]

DANG I got 43

Thanks, also I figured I got that far with infusion, steak, and stone flux

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, stone flux pulls a lot of weight for that challenge

[storm drum]

hey. im new to the game and have been trying out different survivors and am really enjoying the arteficer. any tips on how to really make them start doing damage? cause i really want to beat the game on rainstorm difficulty. but get apsolutly dunked within the first few worlds each time

[slow lance]

Play fast, grab items as quick as you can and don’t be afraid to move on if you can’t grab everything. Also with artificer specially finding some high ground to float above enemies helps and your secondary does quite a bit of damage

[solemn wind]

Think 2 steps ahead, your cds are a bitch but once you get the hang of that she's super powerful

[agile crystal]

she's a burst survivor so you really just wanna be cycling through her abilities

[lavish jacinth]

Make sure you're full looting every stage and getting as many items as possible

[solemn wind]

(She's my main for when I actually want to play instead of just going "Unga bunga winning fun")

[lavish jacinth]

And yeah, keep rotating her skills, don't just rely on her primary

[slow lance]

Also, do yall have tips for False Son: Family Bonding? Final boss spoilers: ||By that point it’s hard to not either instakill Mythrix yourself or just die to him||

[storm drum]

oki, i will try, with her primary, would you guys recomend the fire or plasma bolts. and with special would you recomend her flamethrowers or the ion surge

[agile crystal]

fire def but flamer for dps, surge for movement

[slow lance]

I personally prefer fire and ion surge but it’s really up to you

[storm drum]

alrighty

thank you guys

[rare fulcrum]

What’s the strat for scorched earth

[agile crystal]

anytime stranger, happy dying

[rare fulcrum]

I genuinely thought I had it in the bad but the most I could do was 70k with like 30 crowbars, 10 glasses, and the red item that makes grits do 100%+

[agile crystal]

[rare fulcrum]

Has to be with seeker doesn’t it

It’s with sojourn

[opaque gate]

lads does the golden chest spawn every 4/8/12 and so on stages?

[full apex]

Abyssal depths and sundered grove always do, and sirens has the boss

[solemn wind]

Hit crowds

[rare fulcrum]

It’s total damage? damnn

[solemn wind]

It's 500k% total not to one target so if you just get like 50 wisps with it, you get it p much instantly

[rare fulcrum]

Gotcha

[solemn wind]

Well, total in one blast. But yeah just catch 50 wisps in one blast

[rare fulcrum]

I shall do that

I’ll try to get the same set up but loop instead

[solemn wind]

Yeah it kinda just happened on its own once I looped

[slow lance]

Still need help

[agile crystal]

treat him like voidling

just go to bed

[slow lance]

Wdym?

[sudden wave]

What’s the chance for a legendary chest to spawn? I just found one on stage 5

[solemn wind]

Guaranteed on stage 4, p rare outside of that

[winter elk]

Guys what items would help boost seekers second utility ability

It says I stay on flight as long as I have a barrier? So does that mean I have to stack items that give barrier or…?

[honest badger]

meditate first

[weary cloud]

do soldiers syringes increase attack speed for beam item?

[solemn wind]

Beam item?

[weary cloud]

beams i mean mb

particularly for void fiend

[honest badger]

uncorrupted drown yes

i dont think it affects corrupted drown

[solemn wind]

Yeah i'm pretty sure corrupted is already an instance of damage per tick so the game can't really go faster

[weary cloud]

alright thanks

[honest badger]

Gametime isn't tick based

[solemn wind]

I'VE BEEN LIED TO

[honest badger]

It's frame based, using delta time to make it not tied to your actual frame rate

[weary cloud]

it kind of feels like the beam goes faster but im not sure i want some confirmation

[honest badger]

Damage does tick but it can tick faster or slower depending on code

i.e blue oil pools tick twice as fast

[peak jacinth]

for most constant damage abilities (including corrupted drown) attack speed increases the ticks per second of the attack

[weary cloud]

so it DOES increase dps?

[peak jacinth]

this is also how it effects saw blade for MULT and Flamethrower for arti

[peak jacinth]

yep!

[honest badger]

oh cool

[snow carbon]

how many times should I loop as commander in multiplayer wth 1 friend
?

[solemn wind]

To accomplish what?

[pure stream]

is it by design that by turning on both dlc's you almost dont see anything of SOTV

[mystic walrus]

I'm kinda confused about how the path of the colossus works... Is prime medirian always before stage 4? And do I have to go to the other alternate stages to fight false son?

[solemn wind]

Use a halcyon beacon to open a green protal that will start the path of the colossus, take the green portal at that level to continue it, take the green portal from that next level to get to prime meridian

Shop usually has geodes you can destroy to get a portal straight to prime meridian

[mystic walrus]

I like reformed altar but treeborn colony feels like it has barely any loot for a stage 3 and sometimes printers spawn in unusable locations. I would prefer to avoid that map

[solemn wind]

Halcyon beacons on stages 4 and 5 take you to the gilded coast instead for reasons

[solemn wind]

Oh yeah I hate that map it's a pain in the ass to get around in, it's got hardly any loot, it's only got the most annoying enemies, and half the loot falls off the map. If you want to skip it destroy all the geodes in the shop for a green portal straight to the prime meridian

[mystic walrus]

How likely are the geodes to appear? Are they guaranteed?

[solemn wind]

Pretty sure they're guaranteed except on stage 4 and 5 shops but I never really looked into it I don't much like the path of the colussus so I just don't do it

[mystic walrus]

I'm getting my skins unlocks so I have to kill false son a bunch of times

[solemn wind]

Oh yeah those were a pain

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, they always spawn on viable stages, but they won't appear if you've visited path of the colossus already

[mystic walrus]

Part of the reason I feel like I'm struggling so much with him is that stage 3 is too early. It would be much easier to do it after stage 4

[solemn wind]

You don't have to start the path from stage 1

[left trellis]

the later you start the path the shorter it is. you always encounter him on stage 4 of a loop regardless of when you start the path

[mystic walrus]

So if I enter a green portal at stage 3, is it prime meridian already or is there another stage in between?

[left trellis]

you go directly to meridian from there

granted I believe halcyon shrines become notably less common the further you go from stage 1, but Gilded Coast is an easy way to hop back on the path

[mystic walrus]

Is it possible to fight false son after stage 4 without looping?

[lavish jacinth]

No

The alt path stages have to run parallel to the normal stage order

[left trellis]

I'd say if you're looking to be better prepared for him, do Void Fields to completion and visit Gilded Coast as many times as possible before you reach him

(though you'd probably skip the golden geodes halcyon seeds, just get the small chest items)

[lavish jacinth]

Don't pick up the halcyon seed though, unless you're trying to unlock false son

[left trellis]

-# that's what I meant by golden geodes, I'm just stupid

[lavish jacinth]

I was about to say, geodes are kinda required lol

[mystic walrus]

False son is gonna be a pain. I had a broken seeker build that shredded through everything but false son still took forever to kill. I guess there's no easy way out

[lavish jacinth]

Special scaling + adaptive armor will do that

Unless you loop a lot, final bosses are always gonna be tanky

[mystic walrus]

I don't feel like mithrix is particularly tanky, but maybe I'm just much more used to the fight

[lavish jacinth]

The easy way out might honestly be getting the hang of the fight so you can consistently do it without needing a broken run

[mystic walrus]

The problem is getting speed and a few opals

[lavish jacinth]

They feel similar to me but I usually go straight to him from stage 1

I think FS does actually have more health

[daring cloak]

I find fs to be over fairly quickly

Though that may just be from me never getting bored during it because I have to pay attention the entire time

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah true, I actually have to stay awake while fighting fs lol

[slow lance]

||Still don’t know what this means and I’m at Mythrix. Mostly afraid that he’s gonna kill Aurelionite before she can do anything.||

[lavish jacinth]

Auri usually survives as long as you poke mithrix a bit to get some items back, but if you're really worried you can just use woodsprite

The hard part is not accidentally killing mithrix yourself

[slow lance]

I think doing a long god run was also a mistake probably, gets too strong and just kills me haha

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah I wouldn't recommend that lol

Treat it like the other "kill mithrix with X" challenges, don't let yourself get too strong and avoid procs and stuff that could steal the kill

[slow lance]

Gotcha

[lavish jacinth]

can also give Auri some more dps, preferably on an equipment drone for more uptime

[slow lance]

Also thanks

[honest badger]

Or if you can confidently handle it

The reward is rly good

[lavish jacinth]

well they said they were just going for skins I think, so I assume they were gonna end the run after

[slow lance]

My friend thought you both needed the halcyon seed and to beat him on monsoon to get meridian skins

[honest badger]

yeah no

[lavish jacinth]

bro did not read the unlock requirement

[honest badger]

you just need to kill false son

once you beat him you get the skin

killing him on monsoon is only necessary if you want to end the run and get the mastery skin early

[slow lance]

Yeah I told him

[humble roost]

how do you get past stage 5?

[solemn wind]

Through the teleporter

You can activate the prongs around it before using the teleporter to loop or not to not

[lavish jacinth]

you mean looping?
Either interact with the prong things around the teleporter's edge before activating it, or leave through any other portal besides the teleporter

or do you mean just beating it in general

[solemn wind]

Oh yeah the teleporter's a different shape with like 8 broad flattish prongs instead of the 2, grey instead of black and.... a different color I actually don't know what it changed to or from I'm colorblind

What color are the teleporter motes normally and what color are the primordial teleporter motes?

[lavish jacinth]

and it emits blue particles instead of orange

[humble roost]

IM TRYNA UNLOCK THE CHARACTER WITH THE OBLISQUE

mb caps

[solemn wind]

Orange! Oh! Cool! I thought they were yellow

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, for that you need to loop

[solemn wind]

Yeah you're gonna wanna use the prongs on the primordial teleporter to loop then just go through the celestial portal when that sentence makes sense

[lavish jacinth]

remember to do this BEFORE you activate it, it's locked in once it starts charging

[humble roost]

im so confused lemme js get to stage 5 rq

[lavish jacinth]

by default the stage 5 teleporter always takes you to the final boss, but if you realign it first (or leave through a different portal) you can loop and keep doing more stages

[humble roost]

ohhh alright so ima have to find a different portal to loop?

[lavish jacinth]

well no, you can do it with the normal teleporter or a portal

[solemn wind]

No. You can or you can press e on the things surrounding the regular teleporter before starting the boss

[lavish jacinth]

there are multiple ways of doing it

[solemn wind]

Just press e on those things Fax is pointing at before pressing e on the actual teleporter and you'll loop

[wary lintel]

how do i get out of bulwarks ambry if i dont have movement speed and feathers

i think im stuck

[lavish jacinth]

there should be jump pads somewhere to get up to the portal

[wary lintel]

thres only one for me

it doesnt get up there though

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it should always be reachable somehow

[wary lintel]

nvm i found it it was hidden somewhere lol

[hasty tinsel]

Stage 5s will always have the portal machine for getting relics too, so that is another option, though better just to do it when you're wanting to grab a relic or something.

[humble roost]

what the better m1 for the bandit?

[solemn wind]

They're pretty well-made and even, playstyle thing

[lavish jacinth]

shotgun is arguably a little better but both are alright, it's up to preference

the rifle has infinite range and better proc potential, but it's more of a midrange playstyle and you sacrifice some burst dps

[solemn wind]

Honestly it's always best to just try out all the options and find out what works for you, even if one's just unbelievably shit it's helpful to know why it's shit so you can understand the game better, and meta isn't some magic spell that makes The One True Build instantly suited to every player. Feel around, you'll find out what you like and get a better idea for why you like it which will also help you get better at the game. That understanding will do more for you than your ability choice

[unreal cosmos]

how do i clear the "New!" notification on my settings tab on the main menu idk what to do

[weak kettle]

they are modded characters but more of a general question, there are people who are obviously proc based and ones who are damage based. The problem is when you have a survivor that does do a crazy amount of dmg, like 1000% dmg for example but also doesnt attack fast enough to be a proc survivor? Only base game ones that come to mind are really chef and merc (and bandit if u dont have desperado like my friends)

[solemn wind]

What's the question?

[humble roost]

so how do you get past level 5?

[weak kettle]

ah mb, like how do u choose to go for proc or dmg build? rn the survivor im playing is movement based with quick-ish attacks but its more like an attack that heals themselves and applies a dot, so not crazy dmg or attack speed 🤷‍♂️

[solemn wind]

The teleporter

[humble roost]

like the one under the map?

[trail kite]

either find a portal or interact with the primordial teleporter to align with the planet instead of the moon

[solemn wind]

No there's a teleporter like in every other level, but this one is grey instead of black and surrounded by blue particles instead of orange one

[trail kite]

or go to bulwarks through the artifact portal (under the map for meadows and above the map for hatchery)

[solemn wind]

Also the little decorations circling it are a different shape

It looks like this

[weak kettle]

that will unlock an artifact depending on what code u put it but will loop your run (go back to lvl 1 stages but its lvl 6 and u get back to the boss on stage 11)

they r lowk hidden sometimes

[humble roost]

ohhh alright im trying to find it

[rose flame]

if i have 10 crit goggles on bandit will i still do more dmg from behind an enemy or no

[trail kite]

Are you trying to loop or just get the mithrix?

[trail kite]

I don't think that crit goggles will impact your crit damage at all, you always have 100% crit chance from back with bandit so it shouldn't make any difference

[humble roost]

im trying to get to the oblisque

[trail kite]

To obliterate? then you want to loop

[humble roost]

yeah and ok

[lavish jacinth]

Most proc items deal total damage, meaning it's a % of the damage your attack dealt, so your fire rate isn't necessarily as important as your overall DPS. So proc builds tend to work on basically anyone, the only time fire rate really matters is with a bleed build

Although I'm assuming the survivor you're referring to is Acrid, who's kind of a special case since they have the option to go all in on poison if they want. In that case depending on your playstyle you could go for passive damage multipliers (such as etc) that'll just boost poison, or if you play him more aggressive you can lean into procs and stuff more

[trail kite]

Just find that grey teleporter and interact with the ring outside of it, the chat should say "the teleporter aligns with the planet" or something similar, then when you activate and defeat the boss you'll loop to stage 1 (lvl 6)

[lavish jacinth]

bandit's backstabs are just treated like normal crits, lensmakers glasses won't affect them at all

[trail kite]

I believe what you are looking for is the celestial portal, it should appear on stage 3 of the loop (lvl9) but someone lemme know if im wrong

[lavish jacinth]

it'll be stage 8 but yeah

[trail kite]

my math sucks 😭 yeah 5+3 is 8 whoops

[weak kettle]

nah im playing a modded sorcerer char that does 200% dmg for main attack or a charge up 1400% that is rlly risky for skill (special is like a better merc anime slash combo thing)

[lavish jacinth]

if you're having trouble finding it you can turn on teleporter particle scaling in settings, it's on the first page under that umbrella settings thing, along with some other QoL stuff

(I highly recommend turning on inspect items too btw)

[humble roost]

i found it js fighting it

[weak kettle]

i understand it now

[weak kettle]

yea lol

[humble roost]

i have both of those on

[weak kettle]

what yo i never knew this, i just use a mod that shows the portal with an outline 😭

[trail kite]

hopefully you rotated so that it loops before fighting boss?

[humble roost]

what stage is the oblisque btw i js went through the porta;

[weak kettle]

uhhh did u loop 😭

[lavish jacinth]

it's always the 3rd stage of every loop, so it'll first appear on stage 8

[trail kite]

should be 8, you'll loop to stage 1 and itll spawn on stage 3

[humble roost]

i dont think so but its ok

[solemn wind]

Go through the celestial portal on stage 8

[lavish jacinth]

are you on commencement or back on stage 1?

[solemn wind]

You asked all this earlier, might be a good idea to scroll back up to that so you can read through that again

[humble roost]

commencement

[lavish jacinth]

yeah you didn't loop, rip

[weak kettle]

yo that particle scaling is so sick W

[humble roost]

so how do i loop?

[lavish jacinth]

commencement is a dead end

[solemn wind]

Scroll up, you asked this just a bit ago

[weak kettle]

u can only loop on stage 5 🙏 its joever

[trail kite]

^

[lavish jacinth]

we just explained it 😭

[weak kettle]

u gotta press the teleporter before activating it

[humble roost]

im still confsued you said go through portal so i did😭

[trail kite]

interact with ring on the outside and check to make sure in chat it says the teleporter switched to planet alignment THEN fight the boss and continue through tp

[solemn wind]

We already explained this starting here

Just get back to zone 5 and then read through this carefully

[humble roost]

ohhhh

[weak kettle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1177695291344965744/1224065761308573776/pot-of-greed-pot.gif

[peak scaffold]

what itemns should i get to help me survive

[solemn wind]

Prob some healing

[trail kite]

potion (white item) and that triangle (help i forgot its name, its a green item)

[lavish jacinth]

ok, so teleporter and portal are not the same thing:
The teleporter is the main thing that you normally interact with to go to the next stage.
If you want to loop using the teleporter on stage 5, you have to realign the prong things around its edge BEFORE activating it.

Portals are like the round blue thing you'd go through to get to the bazaar or whatever, basically anything that takes you to another stage that isn't a teleporter. If you're on stage 5 and use a portal, it will always loop, regardless of what state the teleporter is in.

It doesn't matter which way you do it, the only thing NOT to do is go through the teleporter without realigning it first

[lavish jacinth]

they've got max crit and 4 scythes on captain, I'd say they're good on healing

[trail kite]

and 2 leech seeds lol

[lavish jacinth]

doing their best

[trail kite]

plasma shrimp is nice because it gives a 10% max hp shield i think?

plus a lot of damage

[lavish jacinth]

honestly I'd just grab an atg or something, you're already in a good spot survival-wise

[humble roost]

so i have to move the things before even activating it?

[lavish jacinth]

can't go wrong with atgs

[lavish jacinth]

yep, once you activate it, it's locked in.
But if you do forget to change it, you can always use the artifact portal instead (if you know what that is)

[solemn wind]

Oh yeah I missed the glasses

[weak kettle]

its like transdimentional smth smth 🔥

[humble roost]

yeah i didnt even know there was any other portal than that one

[weak kettle]

the artifact protal is the 'underneath the map' one

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, if you're on sky meadow it's the huge machine on the platform under the map

[humble roost]

yeah thats wat am saying i didnt know there was any other portal than the artifact portal

[lavish jacinth]

or at the very top of the map on helminth hatchery

[trail kite]

unstable transmitter, thats the weird triangle. Procs at low health to give a barrier

[weak kettle]

but the one u went through 😭 also how do u get that tag thing next to ur name

[humble roost]

its part of servers

[trail kite]

gold portal from a gold shrine or halcyon beacon, newt alter gives blue portal, and the artifact portal are all options to loop

newt and artifact are always 100% chance to spawn, gold is just if you get lucky

[humble roost]

then you go to edit profile and there should be an option to add it to yourself

[trail kite]

is there some way to make environment logs spawn more, I know artifact of command + sacrifice remove a lot of the ground loot which I've heard helps, but other than that is there anything i can do?

[full apex]

Multiplayer

50% more stuff per player, otherwise the only way is the artifact thinning

[trail kite]

Multiplayer actually does! okay thats good to know, the only time I've found them recently is when playing with a friend and i didn't know why. Thanks

[full apex]

Yup! If you've got a friend that helps a good bit

[humble roost]

i js got desperado is it better than lights out?

[lavish jacinth]

generally yeah

light's is fun but it scales really poorly

and desperado is really good

[mellow crystal]

Unfortunately yea

[earnest bone]

does obliteration count as a death in the logbook

[lavish jacinth]

pretty sure it doesn't

[earnest bone]

im trying to 100% deathless

[trail kite]

its a "fate unknown" i believe

similar to void ending?

[weak kettle]

just got 1 tapped from max health wtf 😭 i was versing 3 beetle guards how is that even possible

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I think so

[lavish jacinth]

probably two or three of them hit you at the same time

[weak kettle]

first time getting to the secret place from the beads but how do i get out? 😭

oh nvm it just fades to black

[fair sequoia]

how do i use classes with melee primaries?
i unlocked loader a couple days ago and haven't touched it since

[mellow crystal]

Ironically the trick with mercenary and loader is to use their utility more than their primary

False son is an exception to the "melees that are actually midranged" rule because he can just tank shit

Loader focuses mainly on her grapple + punch combo since it does insane damage if you build up speed, m1 also allows you to build barrier or kill lighter enemies without wasting cooldowns

[lavish jacinth]

The key with any melee survivor is making use of their mobility as much as possible. Don't just walk up to an enemy and slap them in the face over and over

(except false son, kinda)

Merc has tons of iframes on his dashes and default special, and a built-in cooldown reduction mechanic. He thrives when fighting in dense crowds of enemies where he can expose multiple enemies with his sword and then follow up with another skill, doing extra damage and potentially instantly negating its cooldown so you can attack even more. If played right he basically gets stronger the more overwhelmed he is

Loader is basically a ranged character but you play as the projectile, most of the time you'll wanna be grappling as much as possible and building up speed for her charged punch. Pylon lets her take care of fodder enemies and gives her some extra movement options and her primary lets her build up barrier and deal decent damage, but the grapple+punch combo is really the core of her kit and her mobility makes her practically untouchable

[mellow crystal]

Faxmachine are you sure you're not a factsmachine

[lavish jacinth]

no I'm just a massive nerd lmao

[trail kite]

so real, i dont even play ror2 that often but i have so many random things memorized

alloyed collective is gonna bring me back in fr

[mellow crystal]

Fucking real actually

[wispy hinge]

How many tri tip daggers do i need for 100% crit rate

[brittle shuttle]

tri tip daggers do not crit

[wispy hinge]

Ment the glasses

[brittle shuttle]

this makes enemies bleed
this crits

and its 10% per so 10

[onyx plume]

Hello, just started playing ror2 and unlocked this loader survivor. I looked up some tutorials but im still struggling to get the correct combos down (idk if im doing it correctly even).
When we use ANY abilities (grapple, charged punch), the sprint resets, and so i was wondering what is the ideal order of button presses? When we grapple and sprint right after, and decide to charge, wouldn't sprint reset and we lose a lot of momentum right after?

[wispy hinge]

Whats a easy way to do bandit sadist???

[lavish jacinth]

Well, sprinting doesn't actually really matter when grappling due to its physics being different from normal movement, and most movement abilities (including charged punch) are always treated as sprinting by default.
But if you do want to learn her movement betterm I recommend this, basically loader 101 https://youtu.be/zeRRJGfzuSw?si=6d02KEHvHaAiswBx

it doesn't go into any advanced tech, but it's short and covers all the necessary basics

[onyx plume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUOyH66_050 i watched this one and this one said sprinting after grappling is crucial

[lavish jacinth]

also, a dark secret about loader: movement speed barely matters at all for her, because grappling doesn't scale with it and instead gives constant acceleration in the direction you're holding. And charged punch inherits all of that momentum, so speed is basically negligible- she's one of the few characters that can get away with taking

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, I think that's sort of a myth that's been busted now

[onyx plume]

damn

but sprinting after grappling has some uses right? like being able to travel further

or does it literally not matter

[lavish jacinth]

All it really does is enable items like rose buckler to work while grappling

[onyx plume]

damn i just tested charged with and without sprinting and it does same damge

that video is very much outdated huh

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, the gauntlet itself is always treated as sprinting so it doesn't matter in that case. But sprinting isn't super important for grappling afaik

[wispy hinge]

???

[onyx plume]

i felt like i was travelling faster and further by grappling then sprinting.. guess that was just a feeling

[lavish jacinth]

stab alloy worship unit a bunch, backup mags help but aren't required

that's pretty much it

[lavish jacinth]

yup, that's where the myth came from... sprinting zooms your camera fov out a tiny bit which kinda gives the illusion that you're going faster, but you're actually not

it might slightly affect air control but I'm not actually sure on that. The most important thing it does is just activate stuff like

(which is still worth it, those items are great)

[onyx plume]

wait does that also mean grapple+charged is same dmg as just charged?

[lavish jacinth]

*oh yeah, aurelionite also works, you just need a tanky boss that'll survive long enough to get 20 stacks

[lavish jacinth]

no, the speed built up from grapple DOES carry over to charged punch

punch damage is based on your current velocity, not your actual speed stat

momentum stronk

[onyx plume]

why do i feel like my grapple doesnt extend that long and its so slow

skilldiff i guess

[lavish jacinth]

yep, this is what peak loader looks like, literally. I think the clip is from Jazzboat, who used to be the server's resident loader expert but he hasn't been around in a while

[lavish jacinth]

the grapple can actually stretch for unlimited distance, you just need to build up so much speed that you're moving faster than it can pull you back to the hook point

[onyx plume]

also one more question, does sprinting and jumping right before engaging grapple matter?

[lavish jacinth]

he's using a tech here where you charge up a punch, use thunderslam (alt special), and then let go of the punch aiming downward so the slam's speed gets added to the punch

[bitter ore]

should i take this?

[lavish jacinth]

a little bit yeah, you'll enter the grapple with a bit more speed

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, shrimp is good

as long as you're able to keep your shields up pretty consistently

[bitter ore]

thx

4 mountain shrines on stage 5 lmao

i better get a cherf

[lavish jacinth]

I've had that happen before, and with 2 tricorns lying on the stage

blazing xi construct.

[bitter ore]

oof

[lavish jacinth]

literally the only boss I wouldn't have been at least okay with lmao

hopefully your luck is better than mine

[bitter ore]

glacial grandparent 😔

at least i got atgs

[lavish jacinth]

better than xi at least

[solemn wind]

Planula's freaking insane with razorwire

Especially if you can find a helfire

[wispy hinge]

Can i get bandit sadist on newt

[lavish jacinth]

theoretically yes but it's a pain in the ass and not worth the effort

once he takes enough damage you only have a few seconds before he teleports you out of the shop, and he starts with 500,000hp and 50% damage resistance and scales up from that (and you do have to kill him for it to count)

trust me, alloy worship unit or aurelionite are way, way easier

[wispy hinge]

I didnt get alloy worship in my run

[lavish jacinth]

you could try again on the next loop, or just reset

if you go to the bazaar from stage 3 you can use lunar seers to pick siren's call

not 100% guaranteed to be there but it improves your odds a lot

[wispy hinge]

Also how many back up mags should i get

[lavish jacinth]

doesn't really matter, technically you don't need any

hemorrhage lasts 15s and resets when you add a new stack like bleed, so getting 20 stacks is easy. The hard part is just finding a boss that can tank the damage for long enough

[trail kite]

i got a billion backup mags 1st stage and then just stabbed the boss 20 times in a row :D