ror2-game-questions

[lavish jacinth]

afaik no

[sour otter]

I took it to open the character, but the final blow was dealt by my turret

[lavish jacinth]

yep, that was it.
Turrets actually inherit the effects of passive equipments, including fuel array

so the turret fell below 50% health, blew up and killed you

[sour otter]

i

[sour otter]

aggressive knocks on the table

[lavish jacinth]

rip

yeah idk why I didn't think of that right away, it's probably the most common way to die to your own turret lol

[loud lynx]

if I have both the dlcs what do my friends get from having the DLCs

[mellow crystal]

everything except achievements and playable characters

as long as you're in the lobby ofc

don't have to host, just be in there

[uneven pine]

what are you supposed to do during the false son fight when he locks all your skills

[honest badger]

use one of those weird gold things

they're called geodes and they clear all debuffs

[dusky raven]

Or just have Ben’s Raincoat

[distant ginkgo]

Hey guys, I just got the SotS DLC and wanted to know how to get the False Son character. I've seem a few videos and some comments, but am not sure how to get the item + to the boss fight

[trim lynx]

you get the item from going to the gilded coast, which spawns after finding a gold shrine that rarely spawns, (looks like a chance shrine) and completing the teleporter event

after completing the gilded coast, you need to pick up the item and defeat false son

do be wary though, the item causes the unique boss to spawn again as an additional enemy during phase 3

[distant ginkgo]

Gotcha! Can I do this on any difficulty or should I try to go for it on Monsoon?

[trim lynx]

any difficulty is fine

its the kinda thing that you just kind of have to look out for though, theres not much you can do to increase your odds

[distant ginkgo]

Gotcha! So is the best thing to do to just look around for the golden chance on my first stage (or two) and reset if not found? I believe to have heard that you can't get the green portals on stages other than 1 and 6

[trim lynx]

they cant spawn on the first stage, best chance you have is from looping

if you have the artifact of sacrifice it becomes much more common due to the lack of chests (and therefore increased amounts of other interactables)

command too if you havent got sacrifice, due to lack of scrappers and printers

[mellow crystal]

you can also go to gilded coast via the lunar seers in the bazaar
it's my preferred method of getting there since it's a lot less rare

it has a chance of replacing either of the seers on any given stage

[trim lynx]

oh yea i forgot

thats probs one of the easiest yea

[mellow crystal]

i'd just recommend going to the bazaar every stage and also searching every stage for a gold shrine tbh

[distant ginkgo]

Gotcha. Any ways to increase the chances of blue portals in that case? Or just gotta get lucky?

[trim lynx]

you can find little newt statues

[mellow crystal]

you can guarantee them by interacting with those little goobers yea

[trim lynx]

these, theres only one stage where there isnt a guaranteed one

and even then its rare not to find one there

[distant ginkgo]

Oh, gotcha! Thanks! Maybe I can get this lad today

[mellow crystal]

best of luck to ya!!

you'll need it tbh with the lack of guaranteed gilded coast entrances

[fast briar]

Good luck, hes very fun to use but the fight will be hard

[distant ginkgo]

Just to make sure: Once I choose the portal at the bazaar, I just go back to the portal I came from and I'll get there, right?

[balmy sorrel]

Yep

[dreamy fiber]

im about to buy ror2 should i buy the dlc with it or just the main game

[peak jacinth]

probably just get the main game to see if you like it, unless there’s a deal right now

[dreamy fiber]

there is a bundle

[peak jacinth]

well you can turn the dlc off to try just the base game. I’d say both DLC are worth their price even with them having a few kinks, and you’re getting them discounted as well

[wet hamlet]

does anyone know why im lagging so much when i play seekers of the storm? I had over 200 hours with ror2 and sotv before sots was added, and I experience no lag, but when i play with sots (joining friends) my fps drops to like 15-30, and even less on dlc maps

[hoary sedge]

do you have crossplay on

if so you should turn it off

it's incredibly fucked up and causes all sorts of weird effects with multiplayer

[spare cobalt]

are there too few people in the multiplayer or is it that not all the rooms appear?

[lavish jacinth]

try turning off crossplay, if you're on steam. If you're not then there probably just aren't many people playing

[spare cobalt]

gow can i turn it off?

[lavish jacinth]

first page of settings

when it's enabled you can only join other crossplay games, and nobody uses it because it's extremely glitchy

[spare cobalt]

oh, ok thank u

[loud lynx]

Does false son alt actually pierce

[lavish jacinth]

no, it's bugged. it also can't crit iirc

[tired wind]

what items are good on fiend

[lavish jacinth]

he's a pretty good all-rounder so most things will work, on-hit procs and damage multipliers are strong go-tos as always. Crit chance is especially good as he gains 2% corruption every time he gets a crit.

The main thing you wanna avoid are healing items that you can't easily control, like . He's got a powerful built-in heal already so he barely needs healing items to begin with, and uncontrollable healing just makes it harder to go corrupt when you want to. ( are good though, regen doesn't affect corruption and the corruption gained from crits outweighs scythe's healing as long as you don't stack too many)

[tired wind]

what if I like controlled over corrupted? do I just go for healing items

[brittle shuttle]

You already have a button to sap away 25% corruption whenever you want

[lavish jacinth]

^ and you still mainly want damage items either way. Locking yourself out of going corrupt entirely isn't really a great idea, but if you absolutely hate being corrupted, then yeah, grab a wungus or something ig

[tired wind]

alr ty

also how would I get more hp cuz I never have enough to outscale

[lavish jacinth]

that's the neat part, you don't

[tired wind]

damn

[lavish jacinth]

(although being corrupted helps a ton with that, you get 100 armor while corrupted which is effectively 100% more health)

[tired wind]

hmm

[lavish jacinth]

but in general enemy damage will pretty much always outscale your ability to tank it, especially in loops. Mobility items and reliable "bubble" items (like ) are your friend.

Pre-loop though, most defensive items like are pretty effective

[tired wind]

👍

[brittle shuttle]

You dont outscale but is a pretty solid item

One green giving 100 hp

And since viend always shits out 25% hp heals or has double the hp in corrupted mode it becomes even better

[lavish jacinth]

fighting false son from stage 1 has made me appreciate infusion way more

[tired wind]

o

[tired wind]

how u even win dat bro

[lavish jacinth]

by not dying

[tired wind]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-wegeekinghard-blud-tiktok-animatronic-tweaking-gif-18331326635054461479

[lavish jacinth]

it's not easy but it's doable, it helps if you get the mod that fixes his laser being bugged and doing more damage every time he uses it tho
(or restart the game after every couple attempts if mods aren't an option)

https://thunderstore.io/package/Jeffdev/LaserRampFix/

[fleet sable]

There any chest location mod?

[lavish jacinth]

There's a minimap mod if that's what you mean, it hasn't been updated in a while though

#ror2-modding would be the best place to ask about mods tho

[fleet sable]

okk

[outer sierra]

i need help, it says feild acclerator is locked, but it isnt. and the only thing i changed was that i disabled the dlcs witch shouldnt do anything sense its a non dlc item

[tired wind]

what are like the best items for damage scaling

[outer sierra]

crow bar, wach, crit glasses, ammo, and bonus crystal

and the glass thing, from lunar but thats risky

[lavish jacinth]

the more variety you have, the better

[outer sierra]

basicly ye

[lavish jacinth]

total damage procs are also extremely good, proc chaining is usually what ends up breaking the game on long runs

[tired wind]

I always thought watch was kinda bad

[lavish jacinth]

that's a modded item, isn't it? probably something wrong with the mod

[lavish jacinth]

watch is great as long as you're able to not break it

[outer sierra]

nope base game

[lavish jacinth]

are you sure you got the name right? because field accelerator is not a vanilla item

[fallen bridge]

only thing that comes to mind is preon but that's miles off

[outer sierra]

nvm it is a modded item, i couldve sworn it was wow

i feel like i just got mandela affected like chesus

[tired wind]

any tips on how to keep watch?

[outer sierra]

be good at game

[lavish jacinth]

don't get hit
elixir and unstable transmitter both help though

[outer sierra]

actualy, transcendance, tougher times, safer spaces, and repulson armor

[lavish jacinth]

and defensive items in general, yeah

[outer sierra]

elixer activates at the same time dose it not?

same with transmitter

[lavish jacinth]

nope, they activate first and will protect watch

[outer sierra]

oh sweet

[lavish jacinth]

actually transmitter protects both of them iirc

[outer sierra]

so theres a priorty systeM?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

it's a little weird though, it goes Transmitter > Genloop > Elixir > Watch/Stealthkit

no idea why stealthkit is at the bottom of the list, other than the devs hate it and want it to suck I guess lmao

stealthkit used to be cool 😔

[tired wind]

what are thoughts on longstanding solitude and prayer beads

basically money = level and level = stats

[lavish jacinth]

prayer beads are pretty alright, if you cash them in at around 20 stacks of the buff it gives around 3-4 levels worth of stats

I've only used LS once at the very end of a run to get its log so I have no real opinion on it lol, I don't use lunars much. But the consensus I've heard seems to be that it's powerful but not very fun (and it can softlock you at gilded coast)

[tired wind]

alr

[tired wind]

gonna keep LS softlock in mind

[young seal]

does anyone know how wax quail launches with angles work? like how steep it has to be and where your camera angle should be?

ive had some success with trying to keep it pointed up and then sometimes I sabotage myself with using a feather and it stops my momentum bc I dont know how high im supposed to go

[tired wind]

if I get enough healing can I just outheal the corruption meter on fiend

[lavish jacinth]

you need for the trimp to work, for one thing
I'm not sure the camera angle matters much, just keep it more or less level and try to find a slope that's ~45 degrees, and jump at it until it works. I think it also works better if you find a slope that curves upwards, like the trench in abandoned aqueduct

The requirements for it aren't too specific, you kinda just get a feel for where it'll work with practice

[honest badger]

yes, if your healing outweighs your dps + the constant corruption gain

you can achieve this with a few wungus

[young seal]

yeah with headstomp fs, I was jsut wondering how strict they were on angles, like if there was something on the mithrix fight I could launch off of

I can still do it w feathers itd just probably be faster if I could skip them

[steady stone]

for pillar skip? the escape ship shield

with a little bit of speed

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, plenty of places to do it on commencement, but in the actual arena I don't think there are any spots

[young seal]

feel like I js read a tonguetwister, idk what this means lol

[honest badger]

the entire righthand side of the map too

[honest badger]

pillar skip is where you get to mithrix without doing pillars

[steady stone]

to skip pillars for mithrix, the bubble around the ship is a notorious skip with

[young seal]

ohh by just getting enough height to ge to the platform?

[honest badger]

yes or with

[young seal]

oooh I do get a lot of height on that

[steady stone]

also some rocks to the left near the cauldrons you can do like itemless merc iirc

i think with quail specifically it would be worse tho, since you go forward more

[young seal]

expansionless gng 😔

for now

[lavish jacinth]

vase is base game

[young seal]

oo I probably just dont have it unlocked then

I mostly played when it came out and I always played multiplayer so I never bothered to unlock most of the items since I could just use the hosts 😭

regretting it now

[steady stone]

unlocked from ||beating auri before the halcyon beacons expire||

[tired wind]

is this just me or do I never find scrappers past the first loop? like do they just not spawn after first loop

or am I just really blind

[lavish jacinth]

you're just blind, their spawn rate never changes

[cunning jay]

does the amount of enemies alive has any influence on how fast other enemies spawn? if so, what's that inlfuence exactly?

[lavish jacinth]

there's an enemy limit of 40, but other than that the number of monsters alive doesn't affect spawn rate

[hoary sedge]

it is worth noting that there might be less enemies around before/after a bunch of strong enemies show up bc of how director credits work but there's no direct impact on spawn rate

[slow mason]

Is this normal?

[steady stone]

I don't see anything particularly wrong with it, mind elaborating?

Like the damage stat being that high? that's definitely normal with that many crowbars and the multiplicative damage paired with her like, billion damage laser

[lavish jacinth]

you had 36 stacks of shaped glass my guy

[slow mason]

I was immortal

[steady stone]

generally late game it doesnt matter how much health you have if everything dies frame 1

one of the most clear "the best defense is a good offense" lol

[lavish jacinth]

if you didn't know, glass doubles your damage with every stack, so you were getting 2^36x damage from the glass alone. And with all the other damage multipliers you had on top of that, it would be weird if you weren't dealing damage in cookie clicker numbers lmao

[steady stone]

"cookie clicker numbers" is a great way of putting it 😂

[past mauve]

How do i unlock new characters?

[young geyser]

DLC or itll tell u on the char select screen

[vast dagger]

Is the maths on the wiki accurate?

[young geyser]

most of the time yea

can always be errors tho

[vast dagger]

makes sense

[lavish jacinth]

The wiki is generally right about technical stuff, but anything about gameplay strategy and such should be taken with a grain of salt

[lavish jacinth]

If you hover over a locked thing it'll tell you the unlock condition

[simple osprey]

Hi I was hoping someone could help me to continue progresing in the game, i'm playing as merc and I want to continue from stage 5, do I need to take the primordial teleporter? its the only one i can find so far

[lavish jacinth]

Do you want to loop or fight the final boss?

If you wanna fight the boss just go straight through the primordial teleporter, if you want to loop, interact with the prong things around the teleporter's edge before activating it

[simple osprey]

I don't know which I want lol

i've not done the final boss before so maybe that but should I loop first to get stronger?

[lavish jacinth]

If you're playing merc then I assume you've tried looping before

[simple osprey]

I have not

I just got the game recently I played with a friend to get merc because he looked fun

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, you literally can't unlock him without looping, unless you used an unlock mod

[simple osprey]

I have no mods 🤔

[lavish jacinth]

Then you've looped lol

[simple osprey]

okay ill go fight the boss I guess

[lavish jacinth]

Go for it

You'll probably die but that's how it goes lol

[simple osprey]

the grandparent boss killed me instantly

well not instantly but when he made like sunlight come get me lol

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, you gotta stay behind cover, it's like a wandering vagrant explosion

[simple osprey]

oh I just sit on their head and hit them

[lavish jacinth]

I mean the giant nuke they do when they're about to die

[simple osprey]

ohh okay yeah I just use R to dodge it I think 🤔 I never took cover from it at least

or maybe dash away

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, merc can get away with that but most survivors don't have iframes on demand

[past mauve]

Doesn’t work for me (im on xbox)

[lavish jacinth]

It doesn't? That's the first I've heard of that not working on console

[past mauve]

I can hover over them but nothing is popping up and i cant click on them

[lavish jacinth]

That's really weird, it should give you a pop-up

[trim lynx]

in the logbook or character select screen?

[past mauve]

Character select screen

[trim lynx]

you can go to the challenges section of the logbook to see all the achievements, or the specific section otherwise

:)

[past mauve]

How do i know which ones unlocks characters?

[lavish jacinth]

Wtf is wrong with your game lol

The wiki also has all of the unlock conditions if the logbook doesn't help https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Survivors

[vast dagger]

does anyone know the item tier chances for artifact of command essences?

[lavish jacinth]

same as they are normally

[vast dagger]

you mean with like a small chest?

[lavish jacinth]

or whatever chest the item comes from, yeah

like large chests are still 80% green/20% red with command

[vast dagger]

i had a brain poof my bad

i meant to look at sacrifice but my brain mixed it with command lmao

[lavish jacinth]

ah lol

sac's drop rates

[vast dagger]

thanks

[placid mauve]

I hate how like very occasionally the equipment one is way too low but otherwise holy shit it should be like 0.01% chance my stage is covered in stupid oranges

[daring cloak]

I'd rather not have to wait for AN ENTIRE HOURRRRR for the game to drop me an equipment

[placid mauve]

Rookie numbers

I have to vacate perfect stages (nice printers, not a shit map, no void reavers) due to orange item buildup that makes it 1. laggy as hell and 2. impossible to interact with the scrapper

[lavish jacinth]

I think that's just something that you sign up for if you're gonna spend multiple hours farming items on one stage

[past mauve]

Can i see my progress towards unlocking characters or does it just say the quest

[brittle shuttle]

Well why would you need progress

[high forum]

It only ever shows incomplete or completed

[bronze light]

Does any1 have the bug with the game that kicks player from the lobby when u r on 8th stage while playing duo?

[lavish jacinth]

turn off crossplay, and have everyone you're playing with do the same

[daring cloak]

At this point they should just remove crossplay functionality at least temporarily until its not completely unusable

[peak scaffold]

are there any good strats for the final boss

[trim lynx]

disclaimers would be good

[daring cloak]

There's no way they'd include a warning "hey this feature doesnt fucking work and will bug your whole game"

[lavish jacinth]

For the most part you just wanna keep him at a medium distance and punish him when he's vulnerable, usually right after an attack. Staying near the ramps helps a lot, since he mostly has melee attacks it's easy to damage him from above. Drones are also pretty useful because he's really stupid and will spend half the fight flailing around trying to swat them out of the air

[trim lynx]

just say its more unstable and should only be enabled when you are playing cross platform ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[peak scaffold]

would i still punish him if im playing mercenary

[lavish jacinth]

be ready to get close to him in phase 3 when he starts doing big spinny, it's easiest to dodge by getting close and moving along with the walls. He always alternates between spinny and the big shockwave attack, so you can kinda predict it

[lavish jacinth]

yeah ofc

[peak scaffold]

ight

[lavish jacinth]

merc's got iframes for days and he's at his best when he plays aggressively

[peak scaffold]

makes sense

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, and for the fourth phase, the safest strat is to just stick to cover and poke him to death from a distance.
If you're impatient or don't have any ranged attacks, stay close to him instead and keep circlestrafing so he can't turn to face you

[peak scaffold]

ight ill try that next time i fight him

[past mauve]

Why does everyone say engineer is good? I played him and was extremely underwhelmed

[lavish jacinth]

it helps if you get his alt secondary and utility

but in general he is pretty strong if you know how to use him, especially lategame. The fact that he's basically got two disposable clones of himself gives him some really good item interactions that other survivors can't really take advantage of

[tawdry hearth]

Is it easy to get the mercenaries different load outs cause it feels like trying to get to 20 levels in a single run without a moon item or whatever is really difficult lol

[lavish jacinth]

Assuming you mean commando- nah, they're not that bad, 20 stages is just time-consuming. Unlock slide first though if you haven't already, it's a huge improvement over roll and it literally takes less than 5 minutes to unlock.
You'll probably kill an overloading worm on the way to 20 stages, and if you haven't unlocked clover yet you'll kill two birds with one stone

and ofc you can use artifacts or lower the difficulty to make it easier, if you want

[tawdry hearth]

Oh yea mb I meant commando lol

Yea no honestly at the moment might not even wanna try to play commando, he requires a lot of items to even feel fun

[lavish jacinth]

You'll get there, everyone becomes a commando main eventually

[tawdry hearth]

Please god no

How you get artifacts to btw

[lavish jacinth]

That's not even a joke, it's actually a really common thing lmao. Ask any veteran player, most of them will probably tell you that they started liking commando once they started getting better at the game

[fallen bridge]

^ i second this notion

[lavish jacinth]

it's a bit of a process, first get to stage 5 and find the huge machine hidden in the level (either on the platform underneath sky meadows or at the very top of helminth hatchery).

there are 9 circle things where you enter a code corresponding to the artifact you wanna unlock, there'll be one code right next to the machine as an example and the rest are hidden throughout the game. From there you'll do a trial thing where you unlock the artifact

(you can also just check the wiki if you don't wanna do the scavenger hunt for codes, and it's got a hint guide if you wanna do it legit but get stuck https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Artifacts )

[tawdry hearth]

All I wanted was the artifact that dropped items rather than do the chest lol, then I probably work towards getting all of them in the end

Aka sacrifice

[past mauve]

Whats the point of scrapping items

And how do you get sale star? Is it just from a random chest

[wide parrot]

It prioatizes them for printers so you don’t lose an item you want to keep.

[wide parrot]

Just like every other item: chests.
Keep in mind that sale star is a DLC item though

[past mauve]

Oh so you dont lose it from your inventory or do you?

[high forum]

scrap is an item

[wide parrot]

No the printer will still take items, it will just always take any scrap you have first. You gain scrap by scrapping items

[past mauve]

Ahh ok

Thanks

[tulip gull]

Is there a fix for Radar Scanner lag? If there's more than 50 items it lags my game so bad, this was not a thing before SotS update

Also is it intentional that having more than 1 sonorous can drop a TON of loot from a single enemy?

[shut summit]

is there a way to get more gold shrines in my runs?

[steady stone]

Other than the altar of gold, the other way is to visit the Bazaar every stage to see if you get the lunar seer

should be a 5% chance to be in the seer

[lavish jacinth]

Artifact of sacrifice and command will increase the odds a bit

And being in multiplayer

[bronze light]

Thank you!

[tawdry hearth]

What's the Merc tech

[steady stone]

There's 2 main ones, trimping and expose transfer
I don't really know expose transfer, but trimping involves using your whirlwind M2 into a slope to gain insane vertical height, although you sometimes take damage when doing it since sots.

[lavish jacinth]

if you mean the expose tech, what you have to do is dash or use secondary at the very start of your 3rd sword swing. The timing is tricky, they should almost be simultaneous but the sword has to come out just a tiny bit sooner https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559901453834256404/820804193493057586/imagine_taking_visions_on_merc.mp4?size=4096

the 3rd swing's hitbox is uncancellable during its first few frames of animation, so if you use another skill during that window, you can have both attacks active at the same time.

One trick to make it easier is to do it at point-blank range so that enemies get hit the instant the sword hitbox comes out, which gives you a few extra frames of hitpause where you can do the tech.

[tawdry hearth]

Yes this thank you honestly y'all goated 🙏

[past mauve]

How do you get tranquility with seeker

[lavish jacinth]

just use her special

the flower symbol above her skills shows how many stacks of it you have

[past mauve]

what does it do and when does it go away? Tike limit? Portal?

[lavish jacinth]

it resets each stage and gives various buffs to your skills.
specifically, each stack gives:
+1% to all of your stats
+20% damage to the 3rd hit on your primary
+4% healing on unseen hand
+2 extra hits for soul spiral orbs before they expire
+increased blast radius on sojourn
+more damage and healing from special
specifically the 7th time you use it each stage, it'll revive allies and give everyone the saving grace buff (which is basically just an elixir and a 7% stat buff)

it would be really nice if the game told you all of that but I don't think it's explained anywhere lol. (except the wiki)

[past mauve]

How does it revive allies? Is it when i use my special? Or is it when i have full tranquility

[lavish jacinth]

it's when you use your special, anyone who's dead on the stage gets revived.
Note that it ONLY works on the 7th use, so you can only do it once per stage. So if you wanna use it, it's best to only build up 6 stacks and save the 7th one for when you need to revive people

in singleplayer you can just go straight to 7 stacks though, to get all of the buffs

[past mauve]

Alright, thanks!

How do i get the most usage out of sojurn? Is it longer i stay in it the more damage i do?

[lavish jacinth]

yep, the longer you're in it, the larger and more powerful the blast radius becomes when you exit. It works especially well with soul spiral, since you're invincible aside from the self damage. You can safely deal a ton of damage to tanky enemies with orbs while building up barrier, then finish off any smaller enemies with the explosion from sojourn

[past mauve]

Why are there 3 toggle options for the expansion packs?

[honest badger]

wdym? there's one for sojourn and one for artificer (vanilla)

[lavish jacinth]

The 'X' option is used for multiplayer voting, it doesn't do anything in singleplayer

[high forum]

maybe they mean the default 'on' state, a 'vote for' and 'vote against'

[honest badger]

ohh yeah that's for everything

you can disable it in multiplayer if you tick off multiplayer voting, but it doesn't do anything solo

[stuck sorrel]

Does anyone have any advice to beating Monsoon Mythrix or guides/video recommendations that helped them beat him? I feel like I scale well if I take my time till the 4th stage, but my damage falls off much harder stage 5 and 6. If I try going faster and not full clearing it still feels the same.

[lavish jacinth]

It's always better to full clear, just be as efficient as you can- getting at least one item per minute is a good rule of thumb, but you can take some extra time to use printers and scrappers, or find a good item for an equipment drone or whatever. Difficulty scales with stage count as well as time, so it's best to make the most of every stage, and full looting gives you more items to work with.

And yeah, it's not uncommon for stage 5 and 6 to be a difficulty spike, at that point you're fighting stronger enemies in larger numbers than you'd see on previous stages, and if you don't already have a god run going then it's a bit of a skill check. Just stay focused on looting and never stop moving

is there anything specific that usually gets you killed or is it just the difficulty spike in general?

[stuck sorrel]

It's a mix of things, in solo runs I've gotten to Commencement but I've noticed it just takes a lot of time to just clear teleporter alone, so I usually don't even bother with looting stage 5 much outside 1 or 2 chests. There's so many dangerous and tanky enemies like the elder lizards, xi constructs, and grandparent. If I do get to Commencement it's usually lunar chimeras or Mithrix stage 3/4. I just need to get better at dodging pizzas and the enemies that spawn for stage 3 but stage 4 is rough cause of how fragile I feel.

[woven talon]

how does safer spaces interact with warped echo?

[shut summit]

bet thanks

[lavish jacinth]

safer spaces activates first, then echo triggers on the next hit while SS is on cooldown. (Blocking damage basically treats it as if the hit didn't happen, so on-damage effects don't get activated)

[woven talon]

alr thanks

[frosty reef]

Stage 5 has the most items so you're skipping even more scaling for yourself by doing that. Gotta get all the items. Don't worry about being time efficient while full looting till you learn how to full loot in the first place

[lavish jacinth]

It's absolutely worth it to loot stage 5- it's got the most loot of any stage and usually has a good amount of multishops and printers.

Elder lems usually can't catch up to you as long as you keep moving and use verticality to your advantage, and they're easy to deal with at a distance if you can dodge between their fireballs. Up close they're super vulnerable to being stunned, and you can bait out their flamethrower attack for some easy damage.
Grandparents can be more or less ignored unless they're the tp boss, their only really dangerous attack is the sun, which they won't do until they're at 50% health. You can kill them at a distance to get them out of the way but otherwise they're a nuisance at worst.
For Xi's, stay near cover to avoid the laser and lay into them when they do their summon attack, if you have any damaging on-kill items you can rack up a ton of free damage by repeatedly killing the alphas it summons. AoE and piercing attacks also go through their shield

[frozen hornet]

is there a way to make items not appear on the character model

[lavish jacinth]

For big spinny- just stay close to it and try to move along with the lines. He always alternates between spinny and the big shockwave attack with a 30s cooldown between them, so you can sorta predict it

[stuck sorrel]

If you notice a massive swarm of enemies, do you tend to run away, fight them one by one, or just try to circle strafe them?

[lavish jacinth]

not without a mod
unless there's a new setting that got added, I haven't checked recently lol

but it would probably be in settings somewhere if it exists

[frozen hornet]

ah thank you

[stuck sorrel]

I've tried that but he keeps spawning the lunar balls and the tanks (dont remember their name) and those tend to swarm pretty hard as well.

[lavish jacinth]

depends on the situation, circlestrafing and picking off enemies is always a good option but if I'm low on health (or just don't need any extra gold- remember that you don't NEED to kill every enemy) I'll probably just run.

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, sometimes you just get unlucky with their spawns, in that case there's not much you can do but try to dodge them and spinny at the same time- which is doable, just difficult.
I also try to stay near the ramps and away from the center of the arena, that seems to make the golem chimeras more likely to spawn near the edges, that way they won't be near you when you have to run to the center for big spinny.

As for phase 4, there are a few tricks to it. The most reliable strat is to just play it safe, stay behind the pillars and bait his attacks, then peek out and poke him to death while they're on cooldown. It's slow, but it works.
If you're impatient or don't have any ranged damage, it's possible to outmaneuver him up close- he's slow and has limited turn speed, so if you can circlestrafe and stay at his back, he can't hit you.

If you've got any minions, another trick is to stay near him while he's stealing your items, then run away at the last minute. That way your minions will lag behind and aggro to him when he's vulnerable instead of following you, which gives you a distraction and some easy damage. If you've got you can repair any dead drones to get some turrets up, too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559901542787055636/1063005517879975947/polypstrats2.mp4 the polyp strats are op

[frozen hornet]

How does one go about beating false son when he locks your abilities

[daring cloak]

You can use the geodes to cleanse it because its a debuff

[frozen hornet]

ah thank you

false son ended my best ever run

[daring cloak]

They really shouldve made it clearer that you need to use the geodes

[frozen hornet]

yeah

[lavish jacinth]

tbf they do cleanse lunar ruin, so it's not a huge leap to assume they can cleanse the silence thing (and it's basically the only thing you can do at that point). But yeah some kind of indicator wouldn't hurt

[timber goblet]

So I’ve recently gotten the SOTS dlc but haven’t gotten around to unlocking chef. I’ve heard that he sucks hard and I’m wondering why that is. Is his dps just really bad?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, bad dps and in general he's just really clunky and feels bad to play. He's not unusable but it's hard to argue that he isn't one of the weakest survivors in the game right now, if not the weakest

plus he got some weird and kinda pointless changes from ror1 that most people didn't like, like only being to throw one cleaver at a time and having to manually recall them, or his secondary becoming a worse version of flamethrower instead of a quick burst of damage

[timber goblet]

Yeah I was reading his ability descriptions and I thought that manually recalling cleavers seemed like an odd choice for such a fast paced game

[lavish jacinth]

imo he kinda feels like it was gearbox's first attempt at making a survivor and they didn't really have a good feel for what works and what doesn't

[timber goblet]

Were seeker and false son made by hopoo devs?

[lavish jacinth]

nah, the whole dlc was made by gearbox, hopoo doesn't work on the game anymore

technically hopoo doesn't even really exist anymore, they got hired by valve

[mellow crystal]

honestly to me the cleaver thing is a fun gimmick, the issue is the weird-ass decisions they made with it like giving it m1 stocks or giving it a 0.5 proc coeff that doesn't even trigger on recall hits

chef in general is kind of just an "ok but why do it like this" character

[lavish jacinth]

I wouldn't mind it if recalling them faster actually let you deal more dps or something, or if the cleavers could keep doing damage when they're spinning in the air, anything to justify having them work the way they do.
Even then it should probably be an alt primary or something, bc I don't really think there's any reason why the classic cleaver shouldn't also exist

[mellow crystal]

true tbh

[worldly fern]

Are you supposed to get only 1 money at a time in simalcrum

[stuck sorrel]

Just say this ty for this man!

[sweet mist]

can you get green portal out of gold portal even if you already went there (trying to get false son survivor)

[honest badger]

you cant go to path of the colossus if you killed false son

otherwise you can go back if you're early enough in the loop

[sweet mist]

i am

so you can go back if your like before stage 3?

[honest badger]

yes

[sweet mist]

ok thanks

[tawdry hearth]

Are shields generally better than health?

For instance if I use transcendence would it be worth if I had high health?

[honest badger]

shields are better at base, hp is better if you have regen

[mellow crystal]

Depends rlly
Shields can't heal but insta-regen after 7s of not taking damage

[tawdry hearth]

Any characters that thrive off shields instead of the health Regen?

[honest badger]

commando, huntress, loader, mercenary, captain

[sweet mist]

to be clear, does going through the green portal or the teleporter on the new stage 3 bring you to false son

[mellow crystal]

Merc can benefit from it super well because of his i-frames
Arti has ion surge so she can just gtfo to heal
Loader is loader

Those are the main outliers

[honest badger]

any character who doesn't get hit a lot basically

[tawdry hearth]

Fair lol

[honest badger]

that's why is considered op

it's amazing on a few characters and decent on most of the cast

regen is a lot harder to come by, comparatively

[mellow crystal]

And horrendous on rex or false son but those are special situations

[honest badger]

also bungus engi if you're one of those people

[lavish jacinth]

green portal always goes to false son, teleporter does not

[sweet mist]

ok thanks i was so scared about accidently going to false

[tawdry hearth]

Can someone explain the level system? Like how will ik where the portals will take me I assume there's a built out map people made?

[hoary sedge]

theres not really many actual set stage routes

basically each stage of a loop has a pool of stages it randomly picks from whenever you go there

the only way to know for sure where youll go is to use the lunar seers in the bazaar or do one of the alternate routes (void or colossus path)

if you dont have sots then stage 5 will always be sky meadow though

[lavish jacinth]

https://riskofrain2.wiki.gg/wiki/Environments stage routing is an absolute mess if you have sots lol

[hoary sedge]

still not as bad as dead cells stage routing

[honest badger]

each stage can only show up on a certain stage number. some stages are always going to show up as a first stage, some will only show up on the second or third stages. this resets when you loop

[tawdry hearth]

Oh god

Ok second look it's not all too bad

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that map makes it a little more confusing than it actually is. Path of the colossus is the only part where it gets a little complicated

like, compared to the sotv map

[tawdry hearth]

Ok cool I'm quick question please for the love of God help me I'm stuck in this loop of non stop stages it is now stage 11 how do I end this

[lavish jacinth]

Either go through the celestial portal when it appears and obliterate yourself, or take the primordial teleporter to mithrix

Celestial portal always appears on the 3rd stage of every loop

[tawdry hearth]

Where's the primordial?

Nvm

[cunning jay]

is it just me or the fork item is terrible? the one that slightly increases your damage

[honest badger]

fork isn't vanilla

[mellow crystal]

Fork is from Starstorm and not vanilla but regardless it increases your base damage stat instead of being a damage multiplier so it does have its uses I believe

Unconditional damage up that works like shaped glass

[worldly fern]

This means god hates me, right

[steady stone]

You can put your turrets out of range of the BG horde and just ignore them, since they don't count towards boss health

[worldly fern]

I know they don't count towards the health.

However, when being supersonically jackhammered by a few dozen steroid infused bugs, the least of my concerns is "Huh. I should probably just stick my turrets somewhere else."

They kinda kept rushing down my turrets to death

[steady stone]

Yeah, you can put the turrets somewhere they can't get to
on a ledge or inside a rock

then spam M1 and mines on the queen

[worldly fern]

I didn't survive long enough to do that. I tried setting up the turrets but the amount of beetle guards ruined the chances of that, they went down when i made themn at the start

I'm not like, pissed. I just find it hilarious

Sidenote: Engineer's M1 HAS to be the worst M1 in the game, right? And I get that's on purpose as most DPS comes from the turrets, but this thing still just sucks, right

[steady stone]

eh not really

you can charge it while not actively aiming and then just aim for half a second before going back to dodging

it's mostly just passive
harpoons do kinda carry your damage without turrets though

[worldly fern]

Harpoons?

[steady stone]

alt shift

[full apex]

You can sprint after starting a charge too

[steady stone]

also, that exact spot you were at is especially good with this actually lol
that little bit of metal

[worldly fern]

I was thinking of bringing the explosive battery in, and figured the shield might be needed to not explode and die

[steady stone]

perhaps, but be careful of your own sentries
they also have their own cell, so if you all huddle together in the shield you might die when one of them falls under 50

[worldly fern]

I might just not do engineer then. Any reccomendations on who to try with that?

[full apex]

I think fuel array will ignore the shield

[worldly fern]

The shield is more to prvent my own health from dropping to 0

[steady stone]

Loader is probably the easiest, unless you have multiplayer cheese, since mul-t can put it in his second slot that isnt active
mul-t doesnt have a pod, though

but loader has high armor and speed to cruise through the levels, and shield on m1

[worldly fern]

I actually just unlocked loader yesterday, can't really get a hang of her.

[full apex]

Fuel array engineer is funny because the turrets kamikaze

[worldly fern]

She seems fun, but I really need to figure her out first

[full apex]

It didn't used to also kill you tho so its scary now LOL

[steady stone]

loader is a burst character, so her m1 is less important

shift and m2 combo is what does the real damage for a hit and run

[worldly fern]

I figured that, the problem is that practicing her with a fuel array on seems like an awful plan.

[steady stone]

maybe, it might be good to do a few normal runs
rex is the hardest character to unlock at the end of the day

[full apex]

You can kinda speedrun a bit and hope to just avoid most content before it scales lol

But yea learning first is good

[worldly fern]

Btw is there a way to check the progress on the amonut of enemies I've poisoned as acrid?

[steady stone]

i dont think so? i dont see a bar on the steam achievement list
that one is basically free with Epidemic anyway though

epidemic is (practically) infinite hits since the enemy cap exists

[worldly fern]

The issue is I just prefer blight.

[full apex]

Yea
They put a bounce cap but since it splits on every shot you kinda cant hit it lmao

[worldly fern]

In fact, I can't see any benefit of poison OVER blight.

[steady stone]

poison being % based means it will be better late game since it never falls off

[full apex]

Damage on beeg stuff

[steady stone]

also means that mithrix will always die in the same amount of ticks no matter your build or his scaling

your m2 can also very easily finish off the 1hp flying enemies and stuff

[full apex]

Best best case is final bosses

[worldly fern]

havent even seen mythrix yet

Actually, would grinding it in simulcrum be viable?

[steady stone]

probably, but it might be a bit slow
arti of swarms might be the best bet

[worldly fern]

i dont even have an artifact

[steady stone]

it might be good to just play him while unlocking other things, then
since you dont have to do anything special for it

[worldly fern]

That's kinda the issue though; I prefer blight, and I looked it up. Blight doesn't count towards the quest

[steady stone]

yeah, i mean just multitasking would be better than idly spamming epidemic

[worldly fern]

True

[hoary sedge]

the big issue with blight is that applying more stacks doesn't refresh the debuff duration, so your damage is really heavily capped

so even in ideal scenarios it's only ever a little more damage for a lot more upkeep, and it usually gets out damaged by poison anyway bc of the %hp damage

if you enjoy the playstyle more though then that's perfectly fair, just be aware that it is technically outclassed

[tawdry hearth]

Honestly is red crystal really worth it for more long range characters?

[daring cloak]

No

[steady stone]

Not really, no. It's traditionally worse than other damage items unless you can only hit from close

[daring cloak]

Of course it depends on the run but generally its not as useful as other items

[steady stone]

Since on punches and stuff there is no downside, making it that cant break

it's definitely usable but still free scrap for better damage

[tawdry hearth]

I was thinking that but for some reason i thought having it would be a good life saver items for enemies getting to close

[steady stone]

on i'd argue yes, since the turrets cant run away, but straight damage is generally better on mid-far range

[trim lynx]

i will usually keep one personally

[full apex]

its kinda more like reapplications matter since it always ticks out the full value. if you have half a poison and reapply, you just get one new poison. if youre halfway through a blight stack ticking and reapply, it will keep dealing its damage and the new one is more bonus

its the main strength over poison, it always gets full value and high aggression allows the loads of poison app in your kit to actually matter, as opposed to epidemic keeping everything perma poisoned and poisonous on everything else kinda rarely matters since 10s cd and 10s poison duration

[tulip gull]

I just played with someone in eclipse multiplayer and we fought the false son boss twice in a single run, but when I play alone in monsoon singleplayer the green portal never spawns more than once, no matter how many times I loop, has anyone else had this problem?

[full apex]

i dont think youre supposed to be able to fight him more than once per run?

do they have mods or something maybe?

[tulip gull]

I don't think so

[full apex]

maybe its eclipse shenans then idk, you need mods to do multi eclipse in the first place right?

[tulip gull]

Nope pretty sure you don't need mods to loop eclipse

[full apex]

no i mean to play it in multiplayer

[steady stone]

multiplayer eclipse is vanilla, i think
it's just not easy to access for some reason

[full apex]

oh damn, ive never done it lmao

[steady stone]

it feels like they tried to hide it lol

[full apex]

i thought there was a mod that like made them artifacts or something but its neat if its built in

[steady stone]

let me boot and see the menu, but i remember it exists because it uses the lowest level in the lobby

right, it's here

[full apex]

yea i was wondering if it was just in there since simul got added

[steady stone]

original question though, yeah you are supposed to only be able to fight him once

although, is the path even there on eclipse?

[full apex]

i wanna say yes cause i know basically everything else is locked but FS was weird, but honestly i dont rember for sure

[tulip gull]

Also something is happening again, there's just a bunch of infinitely respawning golems that lag my game out

[full apex]

where at?

[tulip gull]

Specifically after I did the halcyon shrine, and then did the teleporter event

[full apex]

oh
weird! the shrine finished right?

[tulip gull]

Yes

[steady stone]

that does kiiinda sound like a mod issue?
im booting with debug rn to test the path respawning in eclipse though, to be sure

[full apex]

i wonder if the directors clash somehow. they shouldnt but it would be really funny

if its not an already known thing ill slap it on the list of 'investigate' shenans

[tulip gull]

The only mods are ProperSave and Debug Toolkit, didn't even do the shrine this time, they just spawn in and keep respawning infinitely

[steady stone]

in singleplayer too? hmm

i was gonna suggest it's your friend using debugtoolkit but

[tulip gull]

If I touch them at all I have to restart my game because it lags to under 1 fps because of the procs

[lavish jacinth]

Considering you're on stage 56 I wouldn't be surprised if the director is just having a stroke

[tulip gull]

And the infinite items from sonorous

[lavish jacinth]

Weird stuff happens on really high stage counts

[steady stone]

golems shouldnt spawn at all on 56 though, would they

[lavish jacinth]

I have no idea

[steady stone]

even a family event would do titans

[tulip gull]

I think they're spawning because of the shrine, they always spawn with it

[steady stone]

surely the halcyon shrine doesnt scale with credits and it's just backlogged

hold on...

[tulip gull]

It spawns only a few waves when I activate it and then does nothing, it's just almost free to charge

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, idk how the shrine spawns work

[full apex]

i think it tries to spawn waves every little bit as you charge but when its done it should deactivate

[steady stone]

if anything it spawned LESS after 900 minutes, it stopped like halfway

it is a LOT of golems per wave, though

[tulip gull]

I tried to set back time with fixed_time command and getting spammed this in-game console, golems still respawn infinitely

[steady stone]

cscScav

[full apex]

setting time back wouldnt affect the credits they have

[steady stone]

i would assume scsScav is just normal

[tulip gull]

Would it have an effect next stage?

[steady stone]

scs doesnt sound like an elite

[full apex]

also yea i think elite scavs are the most expensive available

creature spawn card, all your interactables are prefixed with isc for interactable spawn card

[steady stone]

failure to spawn scav -> spawn something else -> repeat? it has practically unlimited credits with only golems

and the shrine would be the only other spawn prompt i would guess? not even bosses really spawn after so long

[tulip gull]

Yeah the teleporter does not spawn any enemies

[steady stone]

since "aborting cost procedures" sounds like reverting any credits the director spent

[full apex]

tbh
i should rember
but i dont rember if aborting spawn refunds when its like overloading

[steady stone]

i have ONE of those errors rn about failure to spawn child (im preloop on verdant) but scav should work... fine-ish by that stage?

[full apex]

cause like i assume its just trying to spawn the most expensive thing possible and it might still be falling outside the range of cost it wants to spend. in the past that had caused lots of 'nothing spawns' issues late game, and they tried to make it override and just spawn anyways but when you start getting reeeeeeeeeeeeally expensive it gets really confused

it tries to bump up the target cost which is what makes bosses and stuff start spawning more, but it does it by filtering cards by cost. so it can filter itself into a position where it cant do anything

[steady stone]

im wondering if golems having a guaranteed spawn messes with it, or something

[full apex]

most of the time, horde of many is from the tp director accidentally getting itself into a weird position, and not having any boss cards left in the deck lol

maybe yea

[tulip gull]

I think one of the previous stages it was a bunch of scavs infinitely respawning instead of golems

[steady stone]

uh. i set the stage to 61 and now quite literally nothing is happening at all? not even scavs OR errors of spawning one

[full apex]

[tulip gull]

Yeah there's a lot of issues like that

[steady stone]

tp had nothing, so ill try the shrine i suppose

looking good on errors so far during tp

[tulip gull]

Even after you finished charging tp?

[steady stone]

ok yeah that is not normal spawn rates either
multiple errors per second AFTER tp

aaand yeah its messed up the shrine

i never activated it, its just flooding golems in

so something with credits lategame severely breaks shrines, i suppose

[daring cloak]

God dammit neither of these videos work for me

[steady stone]

theyre paused for the first bit, not frozen, if thats the issue

[daring cloak]

Why did you start both from tbe pause menu

[steady stone]

from me alt tabbing to type

[daring cloak]

Ohhhhh

[tulip gull]

So you can imagine how that + 99 knives + 152 sonorous goes

[daring cloak]

Afaik the halcyon shrine just kinda spawns in golems if you activate tp

[steady stone]

what's afaik again?

[daring cloak]

I first noticed it when I saw golems coming from the shrine's general direction when I had the artifact of kin on and not on golems

[tulip gull]

as far as i know?

[steady stone]

wait it does it ALWAYS? I'll scale the speed to 20x, I gotta test this to report

[daring cloak]

As far as I know
Or in the case of me "I think its like that but I may be wrong pwease dont execute me if its incorrect"

[tulip gull]

Does it keep spawning infinitely or does it stop eventually?

[rustic kite]

Hey, how can i get more artifacts than the first one

[daring cloak]

Enter other codes, theyre hidden all across the game

[rustic kite]

Does someone know one or two?

[daring cloak]

They're all on the wiki

[tulip gull]

It's more fun to find them yourself if you're wondering

[steady stone]

i just AFKd infront of a shrine after TP for 15 minutes and theres nothing, there's clearly SOMETHING else happening here

[daring cloak]

And pinned in #theorycrafting

[daring cloak]

What is happening

[steady stone]

25 mins, no golems

so i think it's to do with the failure to spawn scav

[daring cloak]

Yeah I think its just a singular wave of golems upon activating tp

[steady stone]

could it... overflow the credits somehow or something?

[steady stone]

there were none though
and they kept coming during the first test, like a hydra

[tulip gull]

Should I make a #1172187541349347429 thread?

[daring cloak]

Well what do you want to report

[tulip gull]

Should I make like 5 for each issue?

[steady stone]

i feel like if it's only applicable late enough into a game it might not be worth a report, so ill probably look into it a bit

[daring cloak]

What are we even testing here I lack critical context 😭

[tulip gull]

I'm at 440 minutes in my run, when I do the teleporter there's a bunch of enemies that infinitely respawn, and that crashes my game because of my uncontrollable proc chain

[steady stone]

horde of golems coming from the halcyon shrine without even using it

[daring cloak]

Once or repeatedly

[steady stone]

it was like a hydra 😭

and i think it's specifically with the normal (not tp) scav errors, since i got normal scav spawns yet no tp enemy, no golems

[tulip gull]

You kill one and there's a bunch more spawning in INSTANTLY

[daring cloak]

I mean yeah youre over 5 hours in

The game just goes crazy at that point

[daring cloak]

Im confused, so are the halc shrine golems spawning or not

[steady stone]

past a certain scaling point it seems yes? i did stage 61 with 150 mins and it didnt happen

it seems to only happen when you get more than like 1-2 errors per second on spawns

also the scav photobombed my screenshot sorry

[daring cloak]

Thats odd because those golems spawn at any point in the run if you activate tp, at least for me

[steady stone]

i feel like it probably wouldnt warrant a report if its that long

[daring cloak]

You can easily test it by turning on kin

[steady stone]

[steady stone]

i just used time_scale and idled for 25 minutes, all silent

[daring cloak]

Surely this isnt a console specific

Gimme a few minutes to boot up ror2

What the hell

Within 14 seconds 6 wisps spawned, one of which was elite

(Actually 12 because of swarms but im taking the numbers that would otherwise occur)

[steady stone]

there's no way to view the console logs on switch, is there?

[daring cloak]

Nop

[steady stone]

it seems ENTIRELY linked to these logs going a certain frequency

[daring cloak]

Ok so no golems this run, but there were a lot of wisps so it mightve hit an enemy cao

Nope again no golems

[steady stone]

switch uses 64 bit(32 bit int limit), it wouldnt be a change in the credit system due to info storage

[daring cloak]

Somehow despite all these lems the music survived for an entire minute, thats very rare for tp music from my experience

But I know I saw golems spawn stage 1

Others reported that too

[steady stone]

https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/1357025190957023432

https://discord.com/channels/417739215355510784/1282989768044580864 from 7 months ago

generally we do have a probably cause for it now, so maybe it would warrant a report with the console logs

so it's less vague like those

[tulip gull]

For now I'm gonna scrap my infinite chain and abuse it for infinite items with sonorous

[daring cloak]

Odd though

Iirc when I encountered it I was on kin with beetles on abodes

Or maybe childs

[steady stone]

the first report i saw mentioned kin, but that might be kin messing with the credits if it cant keep up with only beetles

[daring cloak]

I mean it was stage 1

Maybe it got "patched" without any mention?

I have too many damn clips of ror2, this is like searching for a needle in a haystack except theres a good chance there is no needle in the first place

Yeah no I dont think I recorded it

I wish I could force a similar setup as that tim

Beetles or childs as the kin enemy, tp in front of that huge building, halc shrine on the opposite end of the map near the cliff

Game please
Shattered abodes

BRO THIS GAME KEEPS GIVING ME ALL THE OTHER STAGE 1S

at this rate the game will crash before I get abodes

Im turning on seekers of the storm, its enabled by default but Im specifically voting for it too now

HOW MANY TIMES

Oh my god finally

Nope no golems again

[steady stone]

the pain of no debug...

[daring cloak]

OH A GOLEM

One singular golem

[steady stone]

if you can get a clip (especially early game) that would probably help the bug report, too, with the note that it is Switch

kin beetles you said?

[daring cloak]

This time it was blind pests on siphoned

Though I did something different this time, I wanna see if I can do it again or if this was coincidence

[steady stone]

if you have anything that youd prefer me to test i could also, since i have console
so you dont spend 5 billion years resetting

[daring cloak]

The run prior to that one I activated the halcyon shrine and quit out after it was done raising and spawning golems

[steady stone]

oh, that might be it too? another cross run bug like the ramping?

[daring cloak]

I'll do that again and see if that somehow happens again

Interesting is though that this time when it worked the shrine was very close

So distance isnt a factor like I partially assumed

[steady stone]

the location didnt seem to matter at all no

[steady stone]

i like this theory though, ill run with it

[trim lynx]

what are we testing?

[daring cloak]

No golem

But the amount of golems also seems to fluctuate

[steady stone]

i got nothing yeah
its probably credits, and kin messes with said credits

[daring cloak]

This one run I got a singular golem but that other run it spawned a buncha golems

Gimme one second

Bro thinks he's part of the team

[steady stone]

that was before you completed it though? it was happening after tp...

[daring cloak]

Oh yeah both times for me it seemed to happen as the tp got activated

I only bothered checking for after tp finished once

With no golem

May be worth looking into how the game orders the shrine golems to spawn

Like something is going on with the tp that causes shrine golems to just spawn when theyre not supposed to

[steady stone]

at the end of a halc shrine charging it mentions transferring "credits..." seemingly their own director?

maybe its not letting it finish, but ending early, as to not deplete to 0 credits and transfer?

although, wtf is camp2? the tp ALSO gives credits to it...

wait, is it transferring over the int limit of credits during tp???

[daring cloak]

Maybe camp 2 sometimes just uses its tp credits to falsely spawn shrine golems?

[steady stone]

this is how the gearbox devs feel

[daring cloak]

Well yeah except they're not just one person with a switch and one with a pc

At least I hope so

[steady stone]

they wouldnt have a switch

also, definitely not transferring an int limit, a little over 6.6 million

17 or 18 million total with both transfers
id assume camp 2 is like unused basically, how they make it so nothing spawns after?

i can REALLY consistently recreate it with the scaling settings, but im unsure why

[steady stone]

err, actually, the game shouldnt try to spawn a scav here? this is AFTER tp?

oh. i wonder... previously maybe there was a failsafe incase credits were given AFTER they get transferred to this "camp2," where the spawn pool would just stop, BUT these golems arent in the spawnpool for the normal director

hence the higher scaling is just more credits per second, and why kin might change this

[daring cloak]

Im unsure if kin changes anything

I just use it to definitely tell if a shrine golem spawned because regular golems couldnt spawn with a different kin monster active

[steady stone]

this is what bugs me though
i see it rarely even try to spawn another scav while im killing the endless golems

[daring cloak]

Camp 1 has (inner radius) and camp 2 (outer radius) what does that even mean

[steady stone]

🤷‍♂️

that's a question for the coders

[daring cloak]

Maybe camp 1 handles spawns near the tp and camp 2 spawns away from the tp but normally stuff cant spawn far away from the tp except the shrine enables spawns from far away and shit or smth idfk

[steady stone]

well in this one, camp1 was mentioned after the shrine

anything after the errors is when i killed the stone titan during tp, because their death animation is kind of a "if it works dont touch it"

[daring cloak]

Interesting is at least, those shrine golems do actually spawn near the shrine and not near the tp or you

So like something misfires to use credits for spawns around that shrine for shrine golems

[steady stone]

where can i find the credit values?

i know theres a wiki page but its gonna be ages looking lol, so thought id ask while i search

oh, hey

[trim lynx]

i thought i had read camp somewhere before!

[steady stone]

"Whenever a Combat Director deactivates, it transfers 40% of its remaining credits to another random active Director and discards the rest. If there are no other active Directors (such as when the Teleporter has been charged), these credits are lost.

When activating the Teleporter, the Teleporter Directors activate before the standard Directors deactivate, so they receive some credits from the deactivating Directors. Which Director receives which one's credits is random, however."

"no other active directors" couldnt be true if, well, things are spawning

[daring cloak]

So... could this mean that the shrine can receive those standard director credits too?

Same with when the tp is completed

[steady stone]

possibly, ill gamble on that
i have a value that gives them like 130ish credits transferred, nothing happened when i was at 20 transfer

just a bit hard to "eyeball" what ill scale it to

[daring cloak]

Could you force a burst director to take over?

Because im curious if more accumulated unspent credits also results in a higher frequency of shrine golem misfires

[steady stone]

the only command relating to directors (that isnt disabled internally) is listing them all
disable_combat is the other, but is a hopoo command, not debugtoolkit

and the only command with "credit" instantly starts the overlay of the credits and makes you restart... i learned that one

[daring cloak]

Hmmmm

Maybe you could like noclip out of bounds and just activate tp really quickly??????

[steady stone]

what would that do?

like not spending credits? yeah i can manually set the tp charge % from oob

[daring cloak]

Yeah

That should work

But also for activating the tp event in the first place

Ig you could spawn yourself a second tp out of bounds

[steady stone]

activate_teleporter might work

[daring cloak]

Oh thats a command? Even easier

[steady stone]

it just teleports you to it and presses interact for you LOL
peak coding

[daring cloak]

[steady stone]

uh.. well, things did spawn out of the shrine when i flew back down to earth after kill_all and charging tp with the command..

but it's lems, beetles, and children? not golems

wtf

[daring cloak]

And youre sure they came from the shrine?

[steady stone]

yeah they were all circled around it

shrine was in the corner of the map too so they couldnt have been behind it

[daring cloak]

Ok thats a step forward but also super weird lmao

[steady stone]

also cant seem to recreate it

[daring cloak]

Im also so bewildered that it just gives unspent credits to a random active director

[steady stone]

well if they're disabled like they should be, that would be fine

a patch to kind of throw away the extra

"if it works, save space"

[daring cloak]

Well yeah but random?

[tulip gull]

So the best guess right now, is that Halcyon Shrine director is given credits after tp event?

[limber eagle]

Is Mired Urn's tick rate affected by attack speed?

[steady stone]

No

it does spawn the golems the moment you hit teleporter actually? wertus, you got it before with just kin...

im watching the golems flood out and decimate the void seed while it's charging

i physically couldnt get it to work with the constant spam until i kept upping the scaling though, even stage 50 at 333:00 wouldnt
i got it after, with stage 60 and 410:00ish

i still think it lies in the failure to spawn a scav, or the credit moving, but that might be the end of the trail i suppose

[sweet mist]

if you take the halconyte seed and it turns into the void varient of it

can you still get the false son survivor

[limber eagle]

...Is Crowdfunder affected by attack speed?

[fallen bridge]

not that i'm aware of no

[tired sphinx]

why doesnt 7 tougher times make you invincible

[peak jacinth]

it scales hyperbolically, meaning each stack increases the percent chance to block an attack less and less each time

[tired sphinx]

o

ok

[brittle laurel]

does the shrine of rebirth count as "obliteration" for quests

like "obliterate on monsoon or higher" etc

[mellow crystal]

no

but it does count as beating the game

so unless it's an achievement for specifically obliterating like merc unlock you should be fine

[tawdry hearth]

Alright I'm confused if I'm in a run how do I'm when I need certain items and all and just the general stage requirements of items I should have? Or better yet when should I start stacking items like watch or stim?

[sweet mist]

whats the best character to beat false son with

[fallen bridge]

whatever you're most comfortable w/, but obligatory "railgunner or loader because they're overpowered"

[mellow crystal]

anyone with good spammable basekit mobility is good since phase 1 absolutely requires it and it makes phases 2 & 3 easier
so primarily
is also super good since false son loves targeting minions

[sweet mist]

ok thanks

[mellow crystal]

and surprisingly would actually struggle with phase 1 without movespeed items or wax quail since their mobility isn't super spammable

[sweet mist]

because i havent really played engi yet, is the alternate special required

[mellow crystal]

nop

[sweet mist]

ok thanks

i'll try engi and then huntress if that doesnt work

[fallen bridge]

i guess so ... though i do wonder how fs would do if loader was just orbiting him w/ grapple

[mellow crystal]

i could see grapple orbiting working for phase 1 if you do it against a pillar but i actually have no idea how it'd work with the dashes if you grapple directly on him

[fallen bridge]

slingshot perhaps

[sweet mist]

i mean i tried loader on voidling and he kinda just stopped trying to kill me but voidling kinda sucks

[mellow crystal]

i'm less so thinking of sudden speed gain and moreso thinking of "you orbit him at a safe distance then he teleports into an unsafe distance and you can't immediately move away without punching"

but you could also let go of the grapple to fling yourself away

[fallen bridge]

i'm not exactly sure how loader's grapple physics is calculated under the hood but i reckon that if fs were to (hypothetically) dash away from you it could maybe impart that velocity onto loader since grapple acts kind of like a spring in tension

[mellow crystal]

there is the fact that he can't qutie hit you with slam if you're moving around him quickly and are off the ground but then that makes me wonder how it would affect your rotation speed if your grapple suddenly goes from long-ish to super short

[fallen bridge]

but maybe i am approaching this more from a physics perspective rather than a video game bossfight perspective 😭

[mellow crystal]

yeah it's really just something we need to test 😭

[fallen bridge]

i figure it'd be similar in concept to pylon grappling but you can really never know

[wind kernel]

Does collapse from void enemies and needletick works the same

[lavish jacinth]

yep

void enemies basically just have 10 stacks of needletick

[lavish jacinth]

Loader's grapple doesn't really simulate tension, it just has constant acceleration towards the hook point. You might inherit some velocity from the thing you're attached to, but getting a huge boost of speed seems to be a unique interaction with pylon for some reason
(also I tried it and it doesn't seem like staying grappled to fs when he dashes has any significant effect on your momentum)

this clip sucks because I managed to bonk into a pillar right as he dashed, but in a way it might be kinda perfect because I had neutral momentum right when he dashed lol

[fallen bridge]

huh that's interesting ... i wonder why they made it work like that

[lavish jacinth]

probably just for simplicity, and to make grappling to enemies feel better. If grappling to enemies could affect your momentum a lot, it would probably be more annoying than useful

no idea why pylon is different though, maybe because it's a projectile with a solid collider rather than a normal monster-type entity? whatever you'd call that

[sage salmon]

do you have to be in singleplayer/ not modded to unlock item logs

i just realized i dont have a ton of items ive picked up

[lavish jacinth]

it's possible that mods could mess with it, but if you've picked them up you should have the log, assuming the item is actually unlocked on your save file

[sage salmon]

yeah then it' sprobably mods

ive DEFINITELY picked up antlers before

and peals, but they just haven't unlocked

[wind kernel]

Is it based on base damage or total damage

Cause it felt so inconsistent

[lavish jacinth]

base damage

(which is why it feels inconsistent on enemies)

[wind kernel]

Sometimes deals nothing sometimes deals billions

[lavish jacinth]

enemy base damage stats are all over the place

[wind kernel]

Same enemies have different base stat?

Outside combat shrine*

[lavish jacinth]

nah, but it's different for different enemies

like stone titans having 40(+8) for some reason

[wind kernel]

Wait does enemy for say elite gets void touched, does the base stat gets increased because it was once elite or get replaced by void touched

[lavish jacinth]

if an elite enemy gets voidtouched, their elite affix gets overwritten, but they keep the stat bonuses they got from being an elite, yeah

[wind kernel]

So thats why it felt weird

Same small imp deals different collapse damage

[lavish jacinth]

Voidtouched enemies actually get an 0.7x damage multiplier iirc, but voidtouched elites will still have more damage than normal

[wind kernel]

Noted

[wind kernel]

Another question

Does stickybomb inherit shatterspleen

When it crits

[elfin path]

Why did it stop charging

[mellow crystal]

weird bug that happens, i think it has to do with fucked up line of sight checks?
just walk outside of it for a bit then try to walk back in from a different spot

heck not even line of sight checks actually since the halc shrine doesn't care about line of sight

all i know is that sometimes in some locations the halc shrine will have a spot where it just stops working until you walk out of it for a bit

[elfin path]

you were right, after stepping out of the radius

The green portal appeared

Why this bugs exists bro

I know i'm beating a dead horse but in comparison of bugs and patches to survivors of the void

Did SotV had lesser bugs?

[lavish jacinth]

It has a proc coefficient of 0, so no

[hoary sedge]

sotv did have a couple big ones, enemy burns did insane amounts of damage and falling off the map wouldn't reset your momentum so you'd just get flung after getting teleported back

sots definitely has had a lot more jank and bugs for a lot longer after launch though

[idle saffron]

guys do you guys know a replacement mod for the betterUI mod?

[lavish jacinth]

LookingGlass

[lusty tartan]

If a 0.5 bullet procs a 0.5 proc item, the item will have their proc chances halved (0.2) or will remain 0.5?

[lavish jacinth]

No, the proc coefficient of the item itself never changes

[lusty tartan]

thx

[brittle geyser]

how do i fix the games fps plummeting to like 15 and staying like that until i exit out of it

like it runs really smoothly up until like around 40 minutes in my fps will just completely drop

[high forum]

that sounds like your computer might just not be strong enough for all the cpu stuff

you might want to see if doing stuff like decreasing the corpse count helps?

[sick sand]

disabling background programs helps, but if you're already only running risk of rain 2 and still getting mediocre/bad framerates, you're most likely CPU-bound. decreasing some settings can help but much won't change since its the core of the game's calculations and etc

[brittle geyser]

that could be it since it runs perfectly fine up until later in

[lavish jacinth]

Just obligatory, turn off crossplay if it's enabled. If you're running any mods you might also try disabling them and doing a vanilla run to check if that's causing it

[brittle geyser]

i didnt know crossplay caused lag thats very helpful thanks

[lavish jacinth]

crossplay genuinely causes like 80% of the bugs on PC

[fast briar]

Also theres a bug currently where your fps just melts with a radar scanner esp on stage 5 but I'm assuming thats not the problem

Turning off crossplay works and if it keeps happening check task manager to see if any of your components are being intensely used and by what programs

[timber goblet]

Has gearbox said anything regarding the nature of the upcoming balance changes? Is it just number changes or will skills be reworked entirely?

[daring cloak]

There will be major changes and reworks to some skills

[timber goblet]

Thx

I hope they give chef an atomic bomb

[steady stone]

well, it has been quoted to "give railgunner a run for her money" 😉
high hopes for the chef rework

[fresh umbra]

How do i make captain not boring

His wanderlust achievement is the last one i have to unlock on steam (unless they put the prime meridian skins’ achievements on steam)

[steady stone]

diablo is pretty fun, but he doesn't really have an "alternate playstyle" through changing his abilities
you just get different support for your main playstyle with the beacon types

[honest badger]

you've just gotta be aligned with his playstyle

hacking and stun beacons tend to be less fun

[twilit falcon]

do kjaro bands scale with ignition tanks?

[steady stone]

No, only fire debuffs

[peak scaffold]

would yall suggest getting Sotv when its in sale or now

[tawdry hearth]

I mean it gives you more content and characters?

[honest badger]

it's definitely worth the price but that's up to you

[steady stone]

the DLC goes on sale a decent amount for 35% off, if it would be more financially suitable to wait for you
it is an AMAZING dlc though, that i say is worth full price

[past mauve]

Do getting 2 of the same bands fo anything?

[peak holly]

It raises their damage

[placid mauve]

Annoyingly it's out of stock on cdkeys but I'm waiting until it next restocks before I get it

[primal vector]

It is always better to buy a game when its on sale that ftom one of those key stores. Devs dont get any money from there

[placid mauve]

They have to buy it from steam first before they can sell it to you

I buy literally every game or dlc or whatever from cdkeys except sots actually cuz it was cheaper on steam on sale than on cdkeys

[tribal ocean]

is there any way to join a lobby back after disconnecting? a mod maybe?

[lavish jacinth]

https://thunderstore.io/package/niwith/DropinMultiplayer/

hasn't been updated for the newest patch so it may not work though

[tribal ocean]

alright thanks!

[lavish jacinth]

(btw if you're having problems with frequent disconnects, turn off crossplay and have the people you're playing with do the same)

[tribal ocean]

alright, im not familiar with multiplayer so any suggestion is appreciated

idk if its due to my connection not being too great but i always have people disconnect after 3/4 stages

or if it's due to mods but i literally just use like 3 or 4 because idk which work in multiplayer and which don't

last time i only had looking glass, balanced faster interactables, item display removal and maybe something else

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's a very common problem with crossplay.

[tribal ocean]

ok hopefully it fixes it then, thanks

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah, just turn it off, it's extremely glitchy and basically does nothing anyway, it's only between steam and epic and like 99% of the PC playerbase is on steam

[tribal ocean]

i thought i could play with ppl on console lol not even that?

my friends are all on pc though so it doesn't matter

[lavish jacinth]

nope

[tribal ocean]

that's so stupid

[lavish jacinth]

the game does warn you that it's only with EGS when you turn it on, but nobody reads that lol

[tribal ocean]

oh ok whoops

[tribal ocean]

it has been updated for sots though so hopefully it works!

[lavish jacinth]

hopefully yeah

#ror2-modding might also know some alternatives if that doesn't work

[tribal ocean]

right. thanks for your help

[tidal yacht]

so like ,, jm fighting voidling and he keeps dissapearing in 2nd phase

[fiery gorge]

Hello ! I just got a question : can I go to void field on eclipse 8 ? The void damage will reduce my max health or not ? It didn't when I did it in a run but now with the last update I'm not sure

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, e8 void fields is a bad idea

[lavish jacinth]

that's a known bug

[shadow steppe]

I bought the dlc and got seeker but not railgunner is this a glitch or supposed to happen

[hearty shore]

arent they from two different dlcs

[shadow steppe]

Idk

I heard they from the same tho

[sick sand]

seeker, false son, and chef are in the seekers of the storm dlc

void fiend and railgunner are in the survivors of the void dlc

[twilit falcon]

is longstanding solitude bugged in multiplayer or just absolute dogshite?

[rich trout]

hi im new to the game and keep dying early and just wanted to know if anyone had any tips?

[shadow steppe]

Well I didn't get the others I just got seeker w that one or are they quest

[sick sand]

quests :)
theyre pretty fun quests and the survivors are getting a update to improve soon! youll enjoy playing them

[shadow steppe]

Ok thank you

[sick sand]

full loot stages, yes the timer can matter but as long as you're having fun and looting and not standing around--- you'll be better off than speed running or timing your stages.

different survivors prefer different items and some are way better than others. there are good youtubers to watch for survivor advice that are fairly short like QuattroTheHuman

learning what items you like and dont like and what each items do helps a lot-- you'll learn to scrap items and print and start optimizing your build a bit.
happy risking

[rich trout]

thank you

[shadow steppe]

I get to the final stage in base game and then I'm trying to activate the totems but I keep end up dying

[lavish jacinth]

If you've got enough mobility or an item like you can skip pillars and climb straight up to the arena, but if you have to do them, try to clear out most of the pre-spawned enemies on the stage before you start. Lunar enemies spawn really slowly after the initial wave, and for the ones that do spawn just try to play around cover as much as you can (especially with the flying ones). It's fine to leave the charging area for a bit if you have to.

also avoid doing soul pillar if at all possible, that one is horrible

[lavish jacinth]

plant equipment? You mean seed of life after it's consumed?

[hearty shore]

yeah post death seed of life

[lavish jacinth]

I didn't know that was even a thing, I haven't seen any bug reports about it

interesting if true though

[shadow steppe]

Ok thank you

[frank sluice]

Doing some calculations, does anyone know if Plasma Shrimp procs on every Flurry hit?

[fallen bridge]

yes

[frank sluice]

pog

[honest badger]

it procs on every hit

(once per proc chain)

[frank sluice]

How does Flurry interact with (with and and assuming high crit)? Took with yesterday, my math says I should be healing at least 10% of my health on every attack (pretty correct, pre I was healing more than that), but after I took the lunars Aegis stopped working. Is it Corpsebloom? Does it have antisynergy with Aegis?

[honest badger]

will very rarely ever show a clear gain in barrier

it interacts very poorly

and has antisynergy i think?

[frank sluice]

I mean I get it if I was expecting to work, it wont because kills it

but Scythe and Seed are flat healing items

[honest badger]

seed is very little healing in general, that's 0.5 barrier per hit which decays literally instantly

[frank sluice]

I'm thinking maybe the individual barrier gain gets drained out by Aegis too quick, and since the hits don't actually happen all at once, they were spread out just enough for Aegis to decay every instance of barrier

[honest badger]

and it's spread out by corpsebloom

[frank sluice]

Corpsebloom caps it at 10% per second which is still a lot more than Barrier decay (3.33% per second)

[honest badger]

barrier decay is unrelated to aegis btw

if anything I would just guess that Transcendence disables it somehow

[frank sluice]

I think it's to do with Flurry more likely, the hits just weren't close together enough and Barrier decay kicked in quicker than the time it took for each instance of Flurry arrow shots to register healing

couple that with Transcendence increasing max barrier threshold making decay worse for flat healing

[lavish jacinth]

if I'm not mistaken, corpsebloom heals 10% of your non-shield health per second, so transcendence is killing it

[frank sluice]

That is true, Transcendence kills all healing, period XD But I have an Aegis lol

These calculations are with Aegis in mind

[lavish jacinth]

that's what I'm saying, with the bloom/transc combo you're healing 10% of 1 hp per second

so aegis is getting nothing out of it

and barrier decay DOES take shield into account because aegis is legally required to be garbage I guess lmao

[frank sluice]

oh YOU ARE RIGHT

Corpsebloom uses maxHP, not fullCombinedHealth!

Someone should put that on the wiki lol

[shadow steppe]

What can I do to get better at railgunner and I do good first 2 3 stages

But I'm wondering is it just my item luck or sumn I'm doing wrong

And I'm dead by 4

[mellow crystal]

Are you quickscoping

[elfin path]

How does Longstanding Solitude works? i'm confused with its desciption

Should i pick it up always?

[full delta]

How many bullets does suppressive fire shoot with 7 soliders syringes

[placid mauve]

What soul is the 2nd best

It goes blood, soul, mass, design

[unkempt plume]

I saw that many ppl said that buying seekers of the storm ruins the game. I bought I yesterday seeing it on sale without knowing that. Did they fix it or does it still happen?

[daring cloak]

They mostly fixed it

The dlc itself isnt that bad, 99% of the bugs existed even without buying the dlc anyways

But most of those are gone now

[steady stone]

12

[mellow crystal]

It's been fixed for months yea

[full delta]

With skills plus plus I also added 8 30% more bullets and ima do the math real quick

[stuck sorrel]

Does anyone know how exactly Artificer's execute works (like using some skill on an enemy with below 30% hp insta kills) or is that a mod or something? Also, is flamethrower ever worth using over Ion Surge?

[tropic cloak]

the freeze execute kills anything besides a teleporter boss when it gets below 30% health and is hit by something, while frozen, and ion surge is a lot better than flamethrower but it's not better in every way

[stuck sorrel]

Gotcha, thank you!

[full delta]

Turns out I’m bad at math (as if i didn’t know that)

[steady stone]

If it's something you need tested and not something mid run, you can just use Debugtoolkit and give_item what you need for the scenario. Time_scale 0.25 also will help visualize it, that's how I tested the 12 from vanilla

[full delta]

How do I use this toolkit

[steady stone]

Just another mod like your skill one, on thunderstore

[full delta]

I use r2 modman

[steady stone]

They both just grab from the same mod page

But you can open the console with Ctrl Alt ` iirc, even in vanilla, the mod just enables the commands that are normally disabled

[full delta]

Then I don’t get why mystics items is on thunderstorm and not r2 modman

[steady stone]

there's 2 "thunderstores"
thunderstore mod manager, and the thunderstore website that the mods are on

the website that theyre on is from the same thing, but not an app, like https://thunderstore.io/package/IHarbHD/DebugToolkit/

[lavish jacinth]

Bait used to be believable

We are talking about the same one, right? Soul is the one that shrinks and loses progress if you leave it

Blood is best, mass and design are annoying but completely free

[placid mauve]

Yes
It's the second fastest
Mass is just slow, design is hell

[steady stone]

it's situational i'd say, the one that launches you is horrid if you are too fast and jump too high

[placid mauve]

Design is always horrid

[lavish jacinth]

I've never had problems with design lol

[steady stone]

it's only annoying postloop since you would have too much movement but not exactly a "challenge" by then

it's just simple timing otherwise

[placid mauve]

All other pillars you can just stand there after a certain point if you're build's good enough, but design you're sent into fucking orbit or twice round Petrichor every time you enter it for a single second

[lavish jacinth]

Just don't get hit by the waves

[placid mauve]

What the wave that passes through the entirety of the pillar radius?

[lavish jacinth]

You just play jump rope with it, it only hits you if you're touching the ground

[placid mauve]

❌

[steady stone]

you cant "nuh uh" the game feature

[placid mauve]

I've been hit by them while in the air

Multiple times

I've been launched up and then fallen back down only to get hit up again before even touching the ground

[steady stone]

landing on any solid surface counts iirc, so if you were trying to stand on the pillar then yeah

[placid mauve]

In the air

Even if it is only on the ground, that's still far worse than soul mass or blood since you can just stand still and shoot on those

[lavish jacinth]

Idk what to tell you man, this is how the mechanic works

[placid mauve]

Mass is annoying since it takes so long but like you can deal with it, it's not that long
Soul doesn't take long so like just don't leave, not difficult to do
Blood the goat

[lavish jacinth]

Soul is the only one thats consistently a pain in the ass, all it takes is one wisp chimera to force you away from the pillar and behind cover, or an exploder to go off near it

Design is annoying at worst and mass is just boring

[steady stone]

yeah ive never noticed any problems, and it seems fine

the only thing i noticed doing that was that sometimes if you landed just after you hear a wave it would still hit you, but that's only a problem with big jump heights
hence why i mentioned that earlier, like doing this one with stompers

[daring cloak]

I never noticed larvae ran ass first

All of the sudden it makes sense why I feel like I never see their heads in game

[atomic obsidian]

is the seekers of the storm worth it during the current sale? also how good is false son?

[shadow steppe]

Doing my best to yea

[lavish jacinth]

Yeah I'd say it's worth it

[brittle shuttle]

Yeah
The survivor is beyond busted and hopefully getting nerfed in phase 3 and the boss is in a good state only really needing some slight tweaks

[lavish jacinth]

^ the dlc as a whole has some issues, but it's not bad, and there's one more big update coming that'll hopefully fix the remaining problems

[atomic obsidian]

how is he unlocked?

[brittle shuttle]

by beating the false son boss with

Having makes the fight harder

[peak scaffold]

should i unlock void feind on drizzle simulacrum

[lavish jacinth]

If you want, that's probably the easiest way to do it

[peak scaffold]

ight

would it ruin the experience of getting him

[steady stone]

If you haven't seen the other unlock method, it does involve the signature boss of the DLC that is pretty cool

[brittle shuttle]

Well frankly both methods of unlocking viend are things the community doesnt really like

so up to you

[steady stone]

the fight itself is eh, but the design and atmosphere/environment is really cool

[peak scaffold]

ive searched it up but i dont want to beat mythrix js so i can beat another boss

[steady stone]

oh you dont have to do glass frog method

that's technically an easter egg, the intended way is void fields > void locus > planetarium

[peak scaffold]

oh thats better then

ill also get acrid in the process \

[steady stone]

he is a good bit harder than mithrix though, so i wouldnt do him stage 4, which is the earliest you could fight him

[peak scaffold]

should i do him at stage 7

[steady stone]

Mul-t has an achievement for that I believe, if you want to do all 3

err actually the vields bug progresses the counter now, right? so it would be stage 5 earliest ig

meaning the stage would be set to 5 when you fight him, not when you go to vields
stage 5 earliest means you go stage 1 > newt > vields

[peak scaffold]

ight

prob not gon do that tho bc i suck and i only beat mythrix once

[lavish jacinth]

just fyi there is a bug that occasionally makes voidling unbeatable due to it not spawning its second phase

[peak scaffold]

oh damn

[lavish jacinth]

I don't know how common that bug actually is, but there are a lot of reports about it

unlocking void fiend in simulacrum is the best way to do it right now (and it's arguably the best way in general)

you can always fight voidling later when the bug is fixed

[peak scaffold]

makes sense

[lavish jacinth]

(not that you're missing out on much, the voidling fight sucks tbh)

[shadow steppe]

Can someone help me beat false son

I can't beat him

[brittle shuttle]

i think your main issue is you are trying to eat him

[shadow steppe]

What does this mean sir I want false son

[shadow steppe]

I apologize

[brittle shuttle]

i can run a game

rq

do you need the survivor or just a skin