ror2-game-questions

[turbid hinge]

I intentionally put the same code each time bec command sounds the best

[lavish jacinth]

oh

the way you phrased this sounded like you were expecting to get a different trial each time or something

[daring cloak]

Well yeah but you need to put the vengeance code so enemy loaders can appear in the reliquary

[full apex]

they were originally written by paradox who is the current fandom admin

the gg is probably the same from when it was first copied from the fandom wiki

[analog brook]

Cool, cool.

[tribal thicket]

whats a good character to start when playing i have commando huntress bandit MUL-T artificer railgunner and seeker

[lavish jacinth]

Bandit is usually a good starter character if you want someone who's decently strong and not too hard to handle, but really you can just play whichever one you like the most

[turbid hinge]

bandit is super strong early game

[tribal thicket]

alright

[turbid hinge]

carried me through my skill issue phase

(that is still extending"

[tribal thicket]

yeah me and my friend started playing and he mains bandit

[turbid hinge]

anyways dont ask me about the game I am super new and still super shit at it

[full apex]

huntress is easy af to play but kinda weak, since most other chars require aim and knowing how to position to shoot without sprinting it might be good to get used to it early anyways tho

commando is fine but hes much stronger with all his alt skills

mult is really strong, bandit is really strong too. like they are much stronger than the other two. arti is fine but nothing crazy

the DLC chars are all quite strong and good options

people dont like chef much, i havent calc'd him at all lol. he felt fine ig but the other DLC chars are probably stronger.

[candid flint]

railgunner is pretty weird

i dont get his mobility

[full apex]

shes fnuuy, the mine takes some getting used to for sure but it is a really strong mobi tool once you do

its about angling yourself to go specifically where you want which usually is like how far away and when you jump when it goes off. so its a bit of positioning and also timing

you can throw both b2b if you want, since only one can be active at a time it makes the first go off instantly.

[candid flint]

should i be on top of it or more to the side

[full apex]

depends. if youre more on top youll go up more, which is good for reaching ledges. but if you just want speed, trying to be mostly in front and just jumping before it goes off is good

kinda wanna try and geometry brain thinking like this

so more forward for speed

[obsidian temple]

where does the gold portal bring me if im on the gilded coast already?

[full apex]

the next stage. green if you have DLC goes to the next stage of the alt path

[obsidian temple]

oh. makes sense

[candid flint]

isnt the m1 of railgunner pointless

i dont really use it

[main sinew]

quick question thoes the big bonk of false son damage you with the chaos artifact?

[full apex]

not really, but i dont like it. i dont really use it much, feels janky and i dont mind quickscoping usually

but the homing can help easily deal with small annoyances like wisps, and it has just enough knockback that esp with attack speed you can use it to slow your fall or even fly

[daring cloak]

Its decent at fending off small and frail enemies but its real power lies in its self knockback

[full apex]

i use it as a mobility tool more than a weapon

[daring cloak]

The railgunner primary has a lot of backwards knockback on you

So if you aim away from the direction youre going and fire, youre gonna fly much farther

[full apex]

whats xtra funny is its juuust enough to technically have moved even when standing still so it stops bungus

[daring cloak]

Or if you aim it at the ground youre gonna avoid some fall damage by slowing your fall

[full apex]

what are the odds you have railgunner itemless moon skip

the m1 seemed pretty important to that and it was quite silly

[candid flint]

is safer spaces and corrupt glasses good ?

[full apex]

yea

[obsidian temple]

is there any character related unlock for finishing a run normally?

idk if im false son ready

[full apex]

safer spaces is really nice, void lenses are pretty strong unless youre right about to go into a final boss or have a lot of crit synergy like or as your primary healing source

[daring cloak]

Wdym odds? It exists

[full apex]

yea i mean like on hand

i dont have any pillar skips on hand lol

[daring cloak]

Oh yeah me neither

[candid flint]

would you say its worth it to get them over the uncorrupt ones

[daring cloak]

Lost seers lenses not really

[full apex]

safer usually yea, seers i do like but its more situational.

[daring cloak]

Safer spaces is basically just better than tougher times

[full apex]

honestly i do think it can be as good as or better than regular crit in a lot of builds, but crit is still pretty nice to have so

[candid flint]

idk what am doing wrong i play the game alot and still havent beaten the medium difficulty

[full apex]

also you do need a few stacks of seers and probably a few proc items like uke or razorwire or smth to see some good results

it just takes practice. it takes time to get used to the game, trying out items to see what you like, learning stages and which enemies to prioritize

[candid flint]

i know how to play ive been in countless god runs

[full apex]

like you might not prefer safer over tougher times but youve gotta get both a few times to really see which feels better to you and on who

[candid flint]

i mean i think ive went in the moon twice i like looping more

but i still die lots in the 2nd or 3rd loop

[full apex]

you can just go for obliteration if you want a win

[candid flint]

i did that

[full apex]

the game gets pretty chaotic past a few loops. if you havent set up full autoplay yet its easy to get one shot if you arent paying attention

[candid flint]

at what loop should i go in the moon

[full apex]

mithrix being very special saled and stealing a ton of items makes phase 4 pretty annoying too in deep loops, unless you are strong enough to skip phase 4 entirely

[candid flint]

i havent heard anyone going there from stage 5

[full apex]

going from 5 is pretty common

its usually what i do

[candid flint]

okay ill try one run going from 5

and see

[full apex]

theres not really an easy way to just say a rule for it, its whether or not you feel strong enough. like having enough mobility and defensive stuff to feel safe during the fight

if you dont feel like you have enough of that you can loop to try and find it

[analog brook]

I should know the answer to this after so long but... Does the strength of the launch depend on how close to the center of the explosion you are?

[full apex]

yeagh

its not super intense difference it seems

[lavish jacinth]

melee attacks don't normally deal self-damage with chaos so it shouldn't

but sots is weird so I can't say that for certain without checking, lol

[analog brook]

Every time you say yeagh a fallen angel returns back to heaven

Thank you.

[lavish jacinth]

do you usually try to rush to the teleporter or fully loot every stage?

bc full looting is generally optimal

[full apex]

yea
the main idea is getting everything or as much as is reasonable as fast as possible, but the items are more important than the time usually. with experience and skill improvement your speed will naturally become faster

[obsidian temple]

any tips on false son fight? especially dealing with the beam

[lavish jacinth]

get behind a pillar and pray to whatever you believe in

[obsidian temple]

ill try (once again)

[lavish jacinth]

that fight is just completely unfair, which is why it's getting reworked in the next big patch

so you could wait for that I guess lol

[obsidian temple]

oohhh

well not now, im ready to get smoked

[lavish jacinth]

it does get easier if you loop, they kinda forgot to give him adaptive armor so he's super squishy compared to the other final bosses. As long as you've got enough mobility to avoid the laser and don't get screwed by his awful hitboxes, you can usually beat him pretty easily

only downside is that getting to path of the colossus is a pain in the ass after stage 1

[lavish jacinth]

and apart from that, just try to stick near the pillars, especially by where the gold geode things spawn. Try to save those for when he takes your skills away or gets a bunch of lunar ruin on you

[lavish jacinth]

rip

[obsidian temple]

i had it until bro decided to swing me off

but i realized hes kinda busted, i fought mithrix and felt like a walk in the park

[lavish jacinth]

oh yeah, false son the survivor is absolutely broken

[obsidian temple]

even though i realized he was a dlc boss after trying to fight him the whole day 😭

welp ill just stick on not doing the green portal next time

[candid flint]

i kinda rush it

i try to get to the next stage under 5 minutes with 5 items

is that bad ?

[lavish jacinth]

yeahh, I wouldn't really recommend that

[candid flint]

oh i thought going fast was more optimal cause the difficulty isnt going to be that high

[lavish jacinth]

one item per minute is a good rule of thumb, but you wanna try to get everything on the stage. That includes some extra time spent with printers and scrappers, and grabbing drones if you've got extra gold for them

[candid flint]

are drones worth?

i only like healing drones

[lavish jacinth]

they don't do much damage but they're great for drawing aggro

and equipment drones can be the MVP of a run with the right item

items are priority, but they're worth getting if you've got gold and nothing else to buy

[lavish jacinth]

and yeah, that's a pretty common mistake, and tbf the game constantly reminds you about the timer but doesn't really explain the importance of looting.
Items are how you get stronger, you'll never outrun the timer no matter how fast you go. So time management is more about efficiency than just speed

[full apex]

when the game launched people assumed because time = difficulty fastest would be best. but in reality its a lot worse to skip stuff for the sake of rushing

difficulty scales with time but also exponentially ramps for every stage you clear. so you want to optimize items per time and stage, not just items per time.

also, chests only scale their price to the difficulty at the start of a stage, but your gold income scales live with the timer. so chests effectively become cheaper as you clear the stage. if you leave early, you reset the chest cost up, spike the difficulty a bit, and also throw away all your money and have to start saving from scratch again

especially since many items boost the effects of each other, more items and a wide variety is really where your strength comes from. you want as much as is reasonable to maximize power, but also to maximize consistency; if you only get a few items you might brick poor ones, but the more you get the more likely you are to get good synergies.

if theres still loot to grab and you have no money, its totally fine to just sit and wait for enemies to spawn to get cash. that means you are ahead of the difficulty curve and have time to spare. if youve got a ton of extra money though, you should focus on looting stuff and spending, rather than just killing more enemies

[lavish jacinth]

the whole '5 minutes per stage' thing was sort of a holdover from ror1

but ror2's timer is generally more lenient than ror1, plus ror2 introduced mechanics like printers and scrappers and generally changed how items interacted with each other, which overall made looting a better option

[full apex]

i really do think the biggest issue was just flat out a misunderstanding of like early streamers saying what they felt made sense without knowing how things actually worked

the raw idea of the 5 minute rule was trying to optimize your items per minute, because they thought difficulty only scaled with time. the game doesnt tell you stages exponentially ramp it. so the core idea is most items per difficulty, which they equated to time, but now we know optimizing per difficulty point requires managing time and stages cleared

[ionic igloo]

idk if you said it already, but items now are also just way better compared to early access

so full looting is more powerful now than it was back then in a way

[full apex]

i almost think worse items and weaker chars generally made looting stronger, because you needed more items to consistently ramp

unless you already were skilled enough to win with a less ideal difficulty curve, in which case rushing to the end before getting really outscaled worked pretty well

and like once we got strooong chars like loader, that curve was broken a bit more because she took a really long time to be outscaled compared to other chars

[candid flint]

so is loaded bad?

i play loader

[peak jacinth]

the game sort of does tell you that difficulty hugely ramps up the difficulty through the difficulty slider having a massive jump

[peak jacinth]

loader is insanely strong

[lavish jacinth]

one of the best in the game, easily

[candid flint]

i mean i know loader is really strong but i dont see many people use him

so i figured others are better

[lavish jacinth]

she does get a little repetetive and there's a learning curve to her movement

[peak jacinth]

she is so good that people don’t play her because she gets boring

[tacit siren]

i had my fun with loader when i got the game but then it started getting too easy because of how comfortable loader is

yeah

[lavish jacinth]

but I think most would agree that she's a top tier character

[tacit siren]

i still cant get her 25min celestial portal challenge idk how to go that fast😢

[candid flint]

why is everything so overpowered at the moon

[lavish jacinth]

because it's the final boss stage

it's basically a reality check for your run

[full apex]

nah shes pretty good, and can be a lot of fun movement wise. not really my style but if you like her then thats pog

[candid flint]

i dont know lots about the game but since loader doesnt require lots of items cant you just go to the teleporter really fast with like 3 items in stage 1 or 2

[full apex]

also true but i think most miss it since it happens during the stage fade in

youd have to be looking right at it and also not assume the jump is jank

[lavish jacinth]

the good news is that the moon is mostly optional, with enough mobility you can just skip pillars and go straight up to the arena

[peak jacinth]

true and true

[tacit siren]

possibly except my greed knows no bounds, ill have to try do it basically naked but then its a skill issue

[candid flint]

i got one shotted by mithrix in the third phase what is this

he does so much damage

[full apex]

yea he really hurts

you gotta learn his patterns to not get shrecked

[lavish jacinth]

he hits like a sack of bricks, but thankfully his head is also full of them

[full apex]

in phase 3 his hammer slam is brutal, it has the swing and aoe and the waves and the pillar, it can pierce OSP easily if you take a full force hit

[lavish jacinth]

The mithrix fight is mostly about avoiding his attacks and then punishing him when he's vulnerable, usually right after his slam or dash since they have long recovery animations.
with Loader (or anyone really) it's best to stay near the ramps and drop down on him when you see an opening

or if you're Jazzboat, just grapple onto the ceiling of the arena and chill there until thunderslam is off cooldown, then drop down and hit him at mach 4

[candid flint]

whos jazzoat

[lavish jacinth]

the server's resident loader expert

he hasn't been around in a while but he does stuff like this

[candid flint]

i use the other shift ability for loader

[ionic igloo]

spider-man lookin ass 💀

what is he grappled on in that clip?

[lavish jacinth]

they're both good

[lavish jacinth]

one of the trees I guess

[winter barn]

Is Runic Lens, Electric Boommerang or sonorous whispers a proc item

[ionic igloo]

is this trivia? two of those are proc items

what compelled you to ask this

[quasi crystal]

Uhhhh I know! The answer is spare drone parts

[lavish jacinth]

proc item usually means it's an effect that triggers on hit

[winter barn]

oh im so sorry are they effected by proc coefficient

[ionic igloo]

I mean... do the chain gun or missiles have a proc coefficient

[lavish jacinth]

it's fine lol
lens and boomerang are, sonorous isn't because it's on kill, not on hit

[winter barn]

ty!!!!!

[fresh umbra]

LMFAO

[crude hemlock]

i need a way to clip this audio to use on discord ahaa

[lavish jacinth]

average plasma shrimp experience

[crude hemlock]

yeah duno who green lit that audio Q

https://tenor.com/view/fired-office-michael-scott-the-gif-22021313

[quasi crystal]

I need a mod that makes icbm stack like pre rework daggers so I can combine it with plimp fried rice

[turbid whale]

what character works best in simulacrum?
trying to finish dragged below and unlock a character im missing

[mellow crystal]

engi
you stay in one area with enemies spawning at a consistent rate and get a free void potential every wave, it's perfect for him tbh

the only real issue i've had with him is he's the only char that can't run outside with wungus to grab farther chests since bungus is better on him but energy drink stacking has allowed me to deal with that

[quasi crystal]

You don't need bungus on stationary... On non halved healing difficulties medkits and such work fine

[marble osprey]

Heresy

You betray your name

[quasi crystal]

My name is just from my gif

[tired atlas]

Hey, I am thinking about buying Risk of Rain 2. I was looking at the Seeker of the Storm review. It says I need to buy this DLC or the game will break. Is that true? Do I need to buy all the DLCs to be able to play?

[quasi crystal]

No

[tired atlas]

alright. Thanks 🙂

[quasi crystal]

Np

[wind heron]

wadahell thats crazy why would they restrict the game from not buying the dlc

[cunning junco]

you probably misread it. When the dlc came out the game broke a lot, but they have since fixed a lot of the issues. Not all, but a lot

[wind heron]

hi hello how do i access the alternative ending for survivor of the void @cunning junco

[lavish jacinth]

A few different ways

1. complete all 9 cells in void fields and go through the void portal that appears
2. Have a void portal randomly appear while looping
3. Beat mithrix, run all the way back to the room you started in, and pet the secret frog 10 times to spawn a portal

3 is probably the easiest, plus it takes you straight to the boss iirc whereas the other two go through another intermediate stage first

[quasi crystal]

You can also dream for it in the bazaar

[wind heron]

HELLO WHATTTTTTT WHY IS THERE 3 PATHS

@lavish jacinth for the 3rd one can i still get captain after beating mithrix and pet the secret frog

[cunning junco]

kill voidling

[cunning junco]

you cannot sadly, it’s one or the other

[soft veldt]

What's this second Void Portal?

[cunning junco]

deep void

AKA void locus

[soft veldt]

Is this part of the Survivors of the Void DLC? (Would make sense, I just got it yesterday)

[cunning junco]

It is

go into it, it’s cool

[twin anvil]

How to play seeker

[soft veldt]

I can see why you say that :D (like, holy)

[cunning junco]

those who know what you just went into

[soft veldt]

(Casually tanking attacks rn)

[cunning junco]

wait until you get to the guy

[soft veldt]

Sounds ominous

[turbid whale]

is it common for enemies to just spawn in the floor?
it keeps happening to me

[limber eagle]

Do you earn Eclipse levels from completing looped runs?

[topaz summit]

You earn them by playing the eclipse game mode

[limber eagle]

that's what I thought, hmm

[topaz summit]

Kinda straightforward ngl

[limber eagle]

I was just wondering because I completed an Eclipse level after looping, and didn't ascend to the next one

[topaz summit]

You do

Thats strange

How did it end

[limber eagle]

the normal way, I fought Mithrix

[topaz summit]

Urm....weird.

[limber eagle]

my guess is ProperSave is the culprit as I did it in a couple sessions

[topaz summit]

No that works for me too. Like without issue. I'm waiting to continue a run today only

Maybe yours bugged out or smn

[limber eagle]

oh huh

I'll just assume it's a fluke for the time being unless it happens again

[limber eagle]

good luck btw :)

[topaz summit]

Thanks🙏🏻 I hope you don't lose eclipse levels in the future

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, why not? they all end up at the same place, it's just different ways to get there

And yeah, I don't think you get captain since it's technically a different ending, not 100% sure on that though

[cunning junco]

you cant

It’s one or the other, if you go to void you cant get captain

[wind heron]

@cunning junco HELLO HOW DO I ESCAPE THE MOON

[cunning junco]

spaceship

[wind heron]

I CANNOT GET OUT OF THE FIELD

[cunning junco]

wdym

[wind heron]

😭

[cunning junco]

go to the orbs

big blue orbs

[wind heron]

the flying orb??

[cunning junco]

yes

[wind heron]

can i get kill if i touch blue flame @cunning junco

[quasi crystal]

Yes

[wind heron]

omg nooooo

[cunning junco]

you dont instantly die but you take damage

i have literally never seen anyone die to that though

[wind heron]

omg i finally win

[cunning junco]

:D

which chracter

[wind heron]

railgunner

WADAHELL HOW I NOT GET RAILGUNNER MASTERY

[slim spoke]

monsoon

[cunning junco]

what difficulty were you playing on

has to be monsoon to get the skin

[quasi crystal]

Eclipse 10

[scenic shard]

😾

[terse owl]

not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere but are there plans to add steam achievements for all of the new skins and abilities that don't have associated achievements yet? it just feels really awkward having every skill and skin in the game to have one except for the sots set.

[analog brook]

If I recall correctly, preston said they could considering looking into it If enough people want it

It's possible they'll get added

[quasi crystal]

I think he said it's not a priority compared to fixing sots as well

[crude hemlock]

Question - Is void Bangle better or = to regular alternatives?

Im of the mind that its the same or better, so for railgunner/bandit or whatever can proc the ice or fire, its just as good as the void one

[analog brook]

General concensus is that it's significantly worse, some people literally never ever pick it up. But quite frankly if you like it that's cool and you should use it.

[crude hemlock]

is there a reason? just less dmg or soemthing?

[analog brook]

The reason for this is that it's 100% total damage per stack instead of something like 400% total damage and also on twice the cooldown.

[crude hemlock]

ohhhh

Yeah I only take it when my friend doesnt want it, usually anyways

[analog brook]

So if you hit something for 1000 damage (that can proc bands) it'd turn into 4000 damage on a 10 sec cooldown

It's not necessarily weak, as much as bands being so strong that people often are willing to avoid singularity bands like the plague.

[crude hemlock]

ah fair, I was looking at it as no real downsides

tho gg wiki does say"Since the Singularity Band deals considerably less raw damage than its uncorrupted counterparts, it can be useful for Survivors who lack extremely powerful single-hit skills but who can still activate the Bands with their skills. In this case, the Singularity Band's utility for grouping up enemies may be more useful than the pure damage of Kjaro's and Runald's Bands."

so as railgunner nah but idk comando, not so bad

[analog brook]

Yeah it's true. I had a pretty successful run with Chef as it because it let me attack mithrix much safer.

But then again, there's the argument that you can just get 2 atg's as commando and bands become much better so it's like 🤷

[crude hemlock]

haha fair

[quasi crystal]

Can't mithrix just break out of void bands or is that modded behavior

[daring cloak]

Only if he dashes which he doesnt do unless youre close up

And even then im unsure if he can make it out of vand

[quasi crystal]

I'm never not close

[quartz rose]

How do i get the false son character I thought I did the requirement but I still didn't get ir

[quasi crystal]

When you fight false son with a make sure to wait for aure to spawn and then kill only false son

[quartz rose]

Wdym kill only

So did I not get it because I killed the boss before the aure spawned

[quasi crystal]

That's correct

I also meant don't kill aure

She needs to be alive to purify false son

[candid flint]

is voidsant flame worth it?

[quasi crystal]

Yeah

The only exception is or if you have and a lot of drones but even the latter is debatable

[dapper bison]

Yup. Sometimes it takes him 2 dashes too

It’s good at slowing him down some

Arti with freeze and vand, he basically can’t move lol

[wide parrot]

No she doesn’t

I killed her and then FS and got the unlock

They just both need to fully spawn

[marble osprey]

He also can dash at your drones and stuff if they are close

[quasi crystal]

Im in the Seekers of the Storm dlc and every time I beat the DLC teleporter thingy a gold portal appears? I cant get the green portal at all

Do i have to beat the normal teleporter?

[marble osprey]

It depends on what stage you beat it on, if you beat it on stage 1, 2, or 3, it'll spawn a green portal, but if it's on stage 4 or 5 it'll spawn a gold one
Same goes for beating gilded coast (although it always spawns a gold portal, it'll just also spawn a green one if you're coming from stages 1, 2, or 3)

And no you don't have to beat the normal teleporter, some people use it to skip charging the teleporter entirely

[quasi crystal]

so after i beat it on stage 4 I just cant get to False Son at all?

im just stuck in a loop currently

[wide parrot]

You can loop back around and get a green portal

[quasi crystal]

i got the golden portal on the loop stage

[wide parrot]

What stage was that

[quasi crystal]

5th, i beat false son on the 4th

and on the 5th i got the golden portal

[wide parrot]

Nope. You didn’t loop. Go to the next stage (not the moon) for a green portal

a potential green portal

[quasi crystal]

yeah i just got a gold portal twice in a row

because the loop was “cancelled” by the gold portal on stage 5

and I got to stage 8 and there was only the blue portal for obliterating

[wide parrot]

Idk what your talking about, if you went into the gold portal you would’ve looped

And the green portal doesn’t naturally appear

You have to force it at a Halycon shrine

[quasi crystal]

then I did loop, but the portal on the next stage was still gold instead of green

i got a gold portal, looped, then got another one on the very next stage

thats whats confusing me

[wide parrot]

Probably a natural spawn then

[quasi crystal]

so it was just bad rng? 😭

[wide parrot]

You could have gone through it and beaten it and it would have given you a green portal

[quasi crystal]

i did i beat it, and got a normal portal and got to a normal loop stage

[wide parrot]

The second time the portal spawned?

[quasi crystal]

yeah i went through it, got the second Aurelionite seed and when i went through the portal it just brought me back to the second normal stage of the loop

its so confusing im sorry

basically everythjng i did was

on the first stage i went through the green portal, beat the false son on stage 4, then got a gold portal on stage 5(the loop stage), i completed the gold portal, it looped me back on stage 6 and I got another gold portal from the Halcyon Shrine thing

[marble osprey]

Yeah you did it on stage 4 and stage 5, those are the two that spawn gold portals
You need to do it on stage 1, 2, or 3 (or the looped versions of the same, so 6, 7, 8, or 11, 12, 13, etc)

Oh yeah you can only beat the false son once per run that's the issue there then

[quasi crystal]

ohhhh that sucks so if I dont get the golden portal on stages 1-3 then I should just restart and farm it till i get it? Im trying to unlock the character asap

or i can just play one long run to guarantee the gold portal on stages 4/5 then beat him on the loop

[marble osprey]

Best way to do it is probably loop going into the lunar shop each time and watching for gilded coast in the seers until you get the gold seed, it's pretty rare to get the gold seed in the first 3 stages

[quasi crystal]

i got the golden portal on stage 2 the run before lmao i just wasted it because I didnt understand how it works

[quasi crystal]

yeah ill do that the next run tysm

[marble osprey]

Yeah it's a bit convoluted tbh

[real whale]

What are the chances of getting the Mithrix logbook?

[high forum]

I think 3%?

[marble osprey]

It should be 3% since that's the usual boss rate and I can't find anything saying his is different
Also each phase can drop it, so if it is a 3% chance it should end up at around 9% for the full fight

[twin anvil]

Can a gold altar spawn in stage 1

[lavish jacinth]

No, only stage 2 onwards

[grand forge]

Hi guys, I'm new here, I have a question about the Her Concepts achievement, I went to the place where the skeleton should appear but it isn't there, anyone knows why is that and what can I do?

[real whale]

I think that you have to jump into the hole so the skeleton can appear?

[grand forge]

I did that too but it just teleported me back to the surface

[ionic igloo]

I thought the skeleton appears and you blow it up and get the achievement? It’s been 5 years since I did it

[grand forge]

Yeah, the skeleton should appear and then you're supposed to shoot it, but it's not there for some reason

[real whale]

In what difficulty are you playing?

[grand forge]

Middle

[real whale]

I don't know how to help you then

[grand forge]

Thanks anyway

[quasi crystal]

hey guys i was trying artificer on drizzle and went to sundering for my 4th planet

i got caught in one of those void things that eats your health the longer you're in it, and those things almost always kill me... can someone send me a photo of what the thing i'm supposed to break looks like? i'm really sick of dying to it after beating the game 4 times, it's really one of the few things i die to cuz i don't know what im looking for

[daring cloak]

You dont want to enter the void seed for too long

[quasi crystal]

for sure i'm just tryna find what im supposed to break

[daring cloak]

To break it you need to kill all void creatures and voidtouched enemies

[quasi crystal]

ah no wonder, i've been looking for like a specific plant

[daring cloak]

The game tells you how many are left in the objective list

[quasi crystal]

ok good to know thank you

back to it o7

[lucid dagger]

i dont know why, or i might just be blind, but i cant find a teleporter

[daring cloak]

Look for red particles

[lucid dagger]

alright thanks

[daring cloak]

There are always red particles around the teleporter if youre somewhat far away

[lucid dagger]

no particles

[daring cloak]

Then go check behind any corners and in caves

[lucid dagger]

alright

[daring cloak]

Any place with narrow entrances is kinda tricky

[lucid dagger]

im stage 3 lvl 17 and on impossible, i dont know if ill make it😭

found it, thanks

[dusky raven]

I've heard of a bug where you don't have the skeleton to begin with. the best fix I've heard of is play with a host who also doesn't have it and if they get it to spawn you both can get the achievement

[lavish jacinth]

it can happen if a large aoe like gasoline hits the skeleton through the ground and destroys it. That's been an issue for a long time, but normally it'd still give you the achievement

but more recently it seems like there's been another bug where it can happen without giving you the unlock

[grand forge]

That sucks

Guess ive gotta look for someone to let me kill their skeleton

[grand forge]

I dont think that was the case for me

[lavish jacinth]

if you're on pc you can just use the realercheatunlocks mod

[grand forge]

I play on Switch 😭😭

[lavish jacinth]

I mean, it's impossible to tell when it happens, normally the only way you'd know is that you'd randomly get the unlock for no reason

but all it takes is for you to have gas or willo or something and for an enemy to die roughly near where the skeleton is

[grand forge]

Yeah

[noble linden]

Is it possible to get acrid and false son in the same run? I’m a hour in and want false son more than acrid so if I can’t get both I want to know before I go through this void portal

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, you can get both. But you do mean the null portal and not void portal, right?

[noble linden]

Yeah the one below the bazaar

thought it was void cause it was purple and stuff

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, that's fine then

[noble linden]

Alright cool

[lavish jacinth]

the void portal is actually a separate thing that takes you to voidling, that one you shouldn't take if it shows up because you can't get back

[noble linden]

All I have to do is beat the level and I get acrid right

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[noble linden]

yeah I have void fiend

From the wave thing

[fresh umbra]

The skeleton appears

[twin anvil]

Ok thanks

[crystal blade]

Say i have a crowbar and an atg and i proc a missile off a 100% base damage attack. That missile should have 525 base damage. If it hits a different enemy does the crowbar affect the missile damage a second time

Or does the crowbar only apply once in the chain

[lavish jacinth]

not how it works, damage bonuses from stuff like crowbar get added AFTER proc damage is calculated, but multipliers can affect any source of damage as long as the condition is met.
So in that case the missile wouldn't initially benefit from the crowbar and would only deal 300 base damage, but it would benefit if the enemy is still above 90% hp when the missile actually lands

so you can't double dip on multipliers

[crystal blade]

Do damage bonuses like watches get added before the calculation or does all percentage stuff happen after

[lavish jacinth]

nope, it all happens after

[crystal blade]

So the missile is always calculated by the attack base damage and then once it hits the damage percentages r calculated

[lavish jacinth]

...except breaching fin, but that's probably a bug

[crystal blade]

i love breaching fin dude

[lavish jacinth]

yep

[crystal blade]

thx

what abt fire band do the ticks do less damage once enemies fall below 90% hp

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, multipliers get calculated for each individual instance of damage

[crystal blade]

i get it now

[twin anvil]

Is 30 crowbars good or bad

[quasi crystal]

I would not print 30 in a normal run but that is good damage

[primal terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[twin anvil]

Not printing but ok

How many syringe i need to get 200% attack speed

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1005827706547613778/1123360478664597657/356ytq.gif

[quasi crystal]

14 I believe

[twin anvil]

K

[visual turtle]

Anyone know the specifics on how much speed Acrid needs to skip pillars?

[twin anvil]

Pillars aint that hard💔

[visual turtle]

They aren't (especially as Acrid lmao) but avoiding chip on E8 is always nice & I want to know how much speed I need to pick up/print so I'm not wasting items.

[twin anvil]

K

[crude hemlock]

Is the latest DLC worth a go at £7? seems steam reviews are more useless than ever in this regard

[analog brook]

Zero! https://youtu.be/wONw5ddoeEo?si=3mh2VdvSY48UGGfb

[twin anvil]

Yes

[visual turtle]

Well I'll be damned, didn't even know it was possible Itemless

[analog brook]

My fave part of acrid haha!

[twin anvil]

Dlc with 2 blood vials goated😂✌🏽

[visual turtle]

I must suck then cause I figured you at least needed some energy drinks

[analog brook]

If it's on sale I'd definitely pick it up. The items are fun (albeit some are too powerful right now) the enemies and characters do feel unpolished and the major boss is very much bullshit BUT they are doing updates to solve these! And if the item rework update is anything to go off of, they're gonna be pretty great!

[visual turtle]

Worded everything I was going to say in a much more effecient way lmao. It's worth buying because it's fun & if you don't like it you can always disable it

They've shown some promise to fix it so there's a good chance most of the item problems & the boss will improve

[analog brook]

On the topic, worth noting that railgunner also has an itemless pillar skip, and viend can skip with just a bit of speed (both of these are in cap_'s pillar skip video iirc) (:

[visual turtle]

Yeah I know of these, done them several times

[analog brook]

Thank you! I've been around the block quite a bit before so I pretty much have all of this already formulated in my head.

[analog brook]

Ah, good, good.

[crude hemlock]

fair, might get it then. now that we have somehwat adapted to thevoid dlc, lets throw more random shite in

[visual turtle]

I do just want to re-emphasize that the new items are like... really strong. Stupidly so, there's currently a build that gives near-permanent one shot protection (which when you pair it with shaped glass becomes really broken), the boomerang item has a 100% stun chance on enemies and because of that if you're playing characters like Commando it's pretty common for enemies to just never get a chance to even move, growth nectar stacts exponentially at an obscene rate so if you get 2 or god forbid 3 you basically instantly win, and more I can't remember off the top of my head.

[crude hemlock]

lol sounds abit pay2win

we are just going through all the characters getting their alternative skins atm

[visual turtle]

If you're new to the game then by all means don't be worried about it, all I reccomend is that when you pick up a new item try to pay attention to what it does and you'll probably notice pretty quickly that it's pretty strong

[lean swift]

Is huntress any good? Ive seen a lot of mixed opinions on her. Just got the game and havent tried very hard content but she seems good in the games i have played

[mellow crystal]

she's not bad afaik
great mobility, tho the damage definitely feels like you're a mosquito if you don't have ballista or crit on flurry

[quasi crystal]

she is good

honestly default huntress is weak though

phase is okay but alt phase is infinitely better for her playstyle, arrow rain is a complete meme. strafe is good though

huntress has very good aoe with her m2 and insane mobility

[lean swift]

Ok so I shouldnt bother trying to make her work until I unlock the other abilities

[quasi crystal]

Because she doesn't have to aim and can sprint using her m1 and m2, you can just hyper focus on dodging

Well you can't unlock her alt abilities without playing as her

[visual turtle]

That is a great idea. Ballista makes her so much better lol

[quasi crystal]

Ballista is probably the hardest skill to unlock when you're new and that's a shame because it's great

[lean swift]

It cant be worse than bandit sadist

[mellow crystal]

do rallypoint or scorched acres without falling below 100% health
it isn't as bad as smth like merc ethereal but the amount of wisps you'll see on acres and the amount of blind pests you'll see on rallypoint (with sotv) can make it an issue for newer players

[lean swift]

Oh yeah thats terrible actually. Do shields count as health? Could I just get a bunch of those?

[visual turtle]

Yeah they count as health.

The easiest way to do it is either getting glass or using artifact of glass honestly, though safer spaces also helps a lot

[mellow crystal]

they do
barrier does as well but it actually gets your health above 100% so works well

[hoary sedge]

yeah it's kinda funny how disabling sotv is kinda optimal for that unlock bc no blind pests or vermin and you're more likely to get rallypoint and not sulfur pools

just depends on how much you value

[turbid hinge]

guys what heresy items should I take on arti, only strides sound good and mb visions?

[hoary sedge]

after the m1 shadowbuff in sots you kinda don't want visions

esp if you use flame bolt

and strides is hit or miss, the freeze is very nice utility and deceptively good damage

and if you need mobility and survivability just take ion surge

[peak jacinth]

the only one I’d take a chance on is hooks because it’s busted, the rest are probably worse than her base kit

[turbid hinge]

I dont have any dlc

so note that I dont have ignition tank available so the primary is currently worse than u think

[turbid hinge]

ion surge is some awful shit, worst special ever

[turbid hinge]

nanobomb is already good tho right

[turbid hinge]

yh I just need to learn to utilize it

[peak jacinth]

yes, nano bomb is great

hooks is so busted that you can kinda consider it over anything but it won’t make much of a difference

[peak jacinth]

the primary is still better than visions

[grim prism]

for halcyon shrines, if i use one in stage 1 but dont take the green portal, and i see another one in stage 6 can i do it and spawn the green portal?

[wide parrot]

Yes

[grim prism]

awesome thank you

[hoary sedge]

did you mean flamethrower

bc ion surge is one of if not the best mobility skills in the game

[turbid hinge]

I dont want mobility on my special

I wan damage, that thing is worse than nanobombs damage wise

+I dont want to totally disengage as a mobility, a good mobility doesnt yeet away no matter what, a good mobility is one where u can control how much u move

[lavish jacinth]

ion surge is technically good in the sense that it lets you completely ignore most enemies

just float above them forever and they can't touch you

but it's also really boring to do that

[thorn osprey]

one of the worst imo

scales like shit with movement speed

[ionic igloo]

Ion Surge does similar damage to a lot of other specials with minimal items or buildup (or more raw dps if you consider it being an aoe), and half of the specials in this game don't even do damage to begin with, so that's a weird statement

[wide parrot]

hey, arti main here, Ion Surge is waaaaaay better than flamethrower, you just have to use it correctly. Completely disengaging, while viable, is incorrect. Use it aggressively and you will even outdamage flamethrower while staying nigh invulnerable

[tender temple]

playing arti and saying i want more damage is like that one caricature of a fat rich guy drinking all the water

[thorn osprey]

how ?????

[wide parrot]

Ion Surge is a huge AoE, so by going into the middle of a crowd and using it you will deal a huge burst of damage to every enemy, while Flamethrower has to be a direct line, and with its mediocre range you're hitting 1-2 enemies at best unless you put yourself in grave danger.

Also the procs from Surge are more effecient

[turbid hinge]

play close

[full apex]

Flamethrower is huge

[thorn osprey]

unless you cancel the animation with niche ways like shadowflame or volcanic egg , you won't be able to control it . Even if you did , it's damage is much worse than flamethrower .

[full apex]

And its well over 3x the damage on a shorter cooldown

[turbid hinge]

u cant outdamage flamethrower with ion surge it is impossible

it is a mobility trade I can agree but u cant say u outdamage it

[thorn osprey]

it's not a huge aoe

[turbid hinge]

+the aoe is small

[thorn osprey]

charged nano bomb is 10 times better

[turbid hinge]

not that big

[thorn osprey]

if you want aoe

[full apex]

To consistently out dps flame with ion would require super niche circumstances, really poor flame use, or both

[turbid hinge]

and u arent lacking aoes when u have nanobomb and snapfreeze

[full apex]

I have a video with the hitbox somewhere

[thorn osprey]

also flamethrower scales very good with some items like tri tip and other procs , as well as clover

[wide parrot]

https://youtu.be/VLd6dB4ffBA?t=485

[full apex]

Yea this

Its really long range tbh, it feels shorter than it is

[wide parrot]

the link should be at the right time

[thorn osprey]

what then ?

his rankings are sometimes really bad

and he made a video ranking his tierlists to acknowledge that

[turbid hinge]

and how tf are procs more efficent on surge when both have 1.0 proc coefficient and flamethrower procs 22 times

[wide parrot]

cause it doesn't proc 22 times for one, and because the base damage on Surge is much higher, so your procs deal more damage

[full apex]

Yea i dont really trust yt creators, that's not very good

[livid wedge]

It does, scaling with attack speed

So more AS is more procs

[wide parrot]

it the only video I could find that could explain the issue

[full apex]

Its not 2k%, the burn adds damage lol. A bunch of hits that proc are also really good, compared to one mediocre hit

[thorn osprey]

bro what are you saying

[full apex]

Also talking about the wiki when the burn changes nerfed flame hard is kinda disingenuous, considering it used to be well over 4k% and dealt over 60% of her kits damage easily

Its somewhere between 2500 and 3000 now

[turbid hinge]

bros items are just dogshit

[thorn osprey]

it procs much more , leading to better proc chains , works better with tri tip , scales with clover amazingly ( increases its own burn chance )

[turbid hinge]

bro picks every non damage item apparantely and leaves the damage ones

[full apex]

RoR2 streamer content is notoriously scuffed

Not in every way ofc

[turbid hinge]

like why are u in scorched with these items

funnily enough I am in scorched rn with arti

[wide parrot]

each on flamethrower tick is only 95%, while surge is much higher at 800%

[full apex]

I dont think this curve looks horrible, it's a bit low but it's eclipse so

[full apex]

Could be better for sure but like roost start maybe lol

[turbid hinge]

at the end of the day when u do the maths 22 procs each one at 95% do the maths and u will realize it is same as saying one 2000%

[wide parrot]

you need to proc an ATG for example 9 times with flamethrower to match the damage that Ion surge does with one

[turbid hinge]

I got a bit lucky here tbh but like good use of cualdrons

[full apex]

But... You have 22x more chances to proc at all

[turbid hinge]

the idea is u proc atg 22 more times

[livid wedge]

Then it's good it procs 22+ times

[turbid hinge]

maths isnt ur strong suit obviously

[wide parrot]

if your using surge right you don't hit just one enemy with it

[full apex]

That's like the classic crowdfunder woolie meme, which is a blast from the past

[livid wedge]

Flamethrower is also aoe what are you on about

[wide parrot]

not a lot

[full apex]

Same for flame, because it's really long (and shorter cd)

[livid wedge]

Yes it is

[full apex]

Im dubious on mercenary being an arti main haha

[livid wedge]

I'm not going to get into the argument about which is better but your arguments against flamethrower feel really disingenuous

[turbid hinge]

same for flamethrower

[livid wedge]

And biased

[wide parrot]

at most you hit 2-3 enemies with flamethrower

[hoary sedge]

honestly I don't even care about the damage comparison I just don't like being entirely reliant on items for vertical mobility lmao

[wide parrot]

with ion you can hit way more than that

[full apex]

Even thats enough, but positioning is very important to good play and allows potential for better combos

[turbid hinge]

+vs bosses this is irrelevant

[livid wedge]

That's fair and an argument for ion

[wide parrot]

I have used both of the abilities extensively, and Surge has always had better results and felt better to use

[turbid hinge]

that is very fair

[full apex]

Ion is like 1/3 flames damage, even if you hit 3x more targets with surge every time, flame just has better uptime

[turbid hinge]

but dude is saying it outdamages it

[thorn osprey]

if you're using ion surge because it has better damage so you better get ruin ..

[livid wedge]

The point I feel is trying to be made is that one skill isn't objectively better, they have their uses and playstyles

Mercenary trying to argue otherwise

[full apex]

Ion is the only thing that does what it does really

[wide parrot]

kinda? I just get annoyed when people say ion is trash and has no point to existing so i end up going the complete opposite direction

[full apex]

I think if its fun to fly around then go for it, and it will always hold that niche

The game isn't hard enough to demand meta slaving

[ionic igloo]

it's the potential for crazy damage vs a smaller burst skill that's also an actual mobility skill (that still does decent damage)

[wide parrot]

Also I think its funny how this guy got DEATH THREATS for putting Flamer on this list, and later he doubled down on it calling the threats out

[full apex]

Its just not Comparable damage wise really, even after flamethrower had its burn go from 200% to 50%

[livid wedge]

I think that ion definitely has a unqiue playstyle and that some find it fun. Also what @full apex said about slaving to the meta

[wide parrot]

Is the burn bug still a thing?

[full apex]

Yea, but it was the base to total damage global change to burn

Made blazing less interesting too. Though we have ignition tank now to buff the burns so

[turbid hinge]

that is true but denying it entirely is dumb and blatant misinformation

[livid wedge]

No, the bug about burn expiring killing the other dots

[full apex]

One tank makes it the same as before

[full apex]

Yea still exists

[turbid hinge]

there is a difference between I like this but i know it deals less damage and no thi does deal more damage

[livid wedge]

Bruh, please

[full apex]

I have reason to believe its being looked at, so my hope is the next patch...

[livid wedge]

How hard is that one to fix

[wide parrot]

probably coming the next patch

[full apex]

I hoped it would be in the first, its a major issue

But maybe they forgor or just wanted to push the reworks faster since casual players might not notice haha

The fact that it makes bleed flamethrower just no longer work is very

[livid wedge]

I definitely noticed, it's what prevented my first attempt to get the sadist challenge on bandit

[full apex]

Also making acrid scuffed in multiplayer is very

[wide parrot]

I've never enjoyed playing acrid in all 3 of the games if im being honest, this has no effect on me

[full apex]

I will play acrid in multiplayer anyways and murder my friends bleed stacks

[livid wedge]

Purple doggo

[vast canopy]

what's the credit count for treeborn colony

[obsidian temple]

how's seeker with visions of heresy?

[turbid hinge]

wait it works between al dots not just burn cancelling others?

could u eexplain this in detail, is it just about dots or any debuffs

[full apex]

the burn effect controller for the visuals was changed in sots to add a ~1s 'ghost' burn, which is why now when the burn DoT ends you still see the burn icon for a little bit with no damage ticking. dont ask me why lol. this was broken though, and when they destroy the effect controller, they accidentally made it destroy the entire DoT controller. the DoT controller is one big function that handles all the possible DoTs in one place, which is why your DoTs will synchronize their ticks and stuff. saves processing when they all use the same timer anyways.

so the functional issue is, any DoT that uses the burn effect controller for any reason will kill ALL other DoT effects on a creature when it expires. ofc burns use this, but poison and blight also both use the effect, so they will destroy DoTs too. bleed, lunar ruin, collapse, etc other DoTs dont use the burn effect controller, so when they expire nothing weird happens

buffs and debuffs are completely separate from the DoT controller, so they wont be affected at all by the burn shenanigans

[peak jacinth]

dude this video is so ass 😭 idc what you think about flamethrower it is NOT worse than captain m2

[wide parrot]

I think in the beginning he said they were in no particular order

other than Blight being the worst

[peak jacinth]

either way disputed origin does NOT know how to rank shit

half the skills he put in aren’t even bad it’s like kinda awesome

[full apex]

even this isnt true, but he got won over by woolie back when he recruited him to make fun of spafnar haha

its rough right now for the same reason burn is, it kills dots easily. but its not insanely impactful in solo.

[peak jacinth]

ror2 is not a spreadsheet 😡

[full apex]

the basic idea is that enemy hp is honestly not that high for quite a while, so on lots of enemies poison is dealing its minimum. so blight can easily outperform. poison is still stronger on big stuff, but having better control on annoying small enemies lets you focus bigger stuff more aggressively with bite and m1 cancels, especially really early on where it deals with wisps pretty painlessly. its a surprisingly good tempo tool, and apart from mithrix or other final bosses, by the time poison is flat out always better without lux, your other items and proc effects are probably more impactful than both so it doesnt matter as much

[peak jacinth]

I think it’s blasphemous to say anything other than DIRECTIVE: Harvest is the worst skill in the game

[full apex]

in multiplayer theres a stronger argument for poison because enemies are just larger and tele bosses have multiplied hp, but blight is still useable and tbh i almost always run it because i find it fun (i also love lux acrid so that too)

being buffed by cooldown resetting or lowering items is just a bonus, since poison reapps are useless so having it on most of your kit is a bit overkill usually, esp when epidemic will basically keep 100% poison uptime on most stuff by itself

[peak jacinth]

this isn’t an argument for strength but yea blight promotes a much more fun playstyle imo

[full apex]

i would concede that nowadays especially it might not be better, for a while i think it probably was, but they arent so far apart that its an insane gap like it gets talked up

people just see % hp and assume that effect must be crazy, without really paying attention to how much hp enemies tend to have. and even if poison is using %, getting 2-3 blight stacks consistently isnt hard at all, which is 180%/s, so poison needs to be doing nearly 2x minimum before it outperforms

[peak jacinth]

yea I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say that blight isn’t bad, but it’s worse than poison

[full apex]

when the elites were being overspawned esp with gilded i think it was hurt quite a lot, but with that fixed its kinda back to normal

at the very least its plenty useable.

[peak jacinth]

honestly not really even, poison starts to pass/be equal to blight around that point regardless of elites i find

[full apex]

im a lil gung ho about it partly because i enjoy it more, but also because poison and blight math was the first calcs i ever did that i got recognized for in the community lol, back when i still got made fun of for making spreadsheets by basically all of gd1 hahaha

[tepid orbit]

Is there a tier list on characters that is up to date

[full apex]

acrid has pretty high base damage so it keeps up fairly well. i keep meaning to do a run nowadays where i take poison and keep track of its output, since its easy af to calc 33% of acrids base from level alone

[full apex]

not really i dont think, theres enough nuance its hard to flat out rate chars beyond like whos pretty strong and whos on the weaker end. ig thats like pseudo tier list

[lavish jacinth]

I'm sure somebody's made one, but there aren't any that are worth caring about tbh

[full apex]

i think id say on the higher end, acrid, bandit, false son, loader, mult, merc, railer, seeker, and probably viend, are quite strong

rex is pretty good

[marble osprey]

Tier list is railgunner, loader, false son at the top, everyone else in the middle, chef at the bottom

[lavish jacinth]

and every character is viable, the 'best' one is really just the one you have the most fun with

[full apex]

mando esp all defaults isnt the strongest, huntress is the weakest probably still. chef gets memed a ton but i havent calc'd him to truly compare, but his base stats are standard tho.

everyone is plenty workable

[lavish jacinth]

ror2 isn't the sort of game where you need to worry about only using the most optimal stuff

although if you just want an easy win then are probably the ones to go with, or if you're newer and don't have other characters unlocked

[full apex]

yeagh

[quartz rose]

Does lysate cell let engineer have more turrets

Or just one more

[lavish jacinth]

just one

stacks gives the skill more charges but the turret cap is still 3

[south scaffold]

Ok.
I’ve been going through my game trying to get all the Environment Logs, and all I have left is Viscous Falls & Disturbed Impact.
I’ve had on the artifacts of Command & Sacrifice, I’ve even had a friend just be AFK just to have one extra person, and even disable the Void DLC to try and increase my odds of getting the stages.
But whenever I get Viscous Falls or Disturbed Impact, I can never seem to get a Radar Scanner to spawn.
Is there some other ways to potentially increase my odds even more, or do I just gotta keep on trying and hoping?
(Also I’m not sure if I’m just unlucky or something, but I noticed after the second loop V.F & D.I end up going back to their normal variants.)

[lavish jacinth]

there's currently a bug that makes disturbed impact's log unobtainable

[mellow crystal]

iirc there's a bug where they use titanic plains(?)' interactable pool instead so you can't get the log

[south scaffold]

Well then.

[lavish jacinth]

I think viscous falls is obtainable though? Or at least I haven't seen any reports of it being broken. So you're probably just unlucky there

[south scaffold]

Alright then. Good to know.
Thanks for that info about Disturbed Impact. I can easily see myself just unknowingly trying again and again…

[daring cloak]

Yup viscous is not bugged

[obsidian temple]

any tips/vid for inventory management and map exploring? i always seem to have an hard time scouting out the map

[full apex]

honestly it just takes some getting used to the stages, ideally youd want to do one efficient pass to minimize backtracking, but as long as you arent revisiting the same spots over and over it should be ok

dont be afraid to wait near a chest if you need money, if you dont have enough then youre ahead of the curve most likely so you dont need to worry about time as much

but if you have a bunch of money, you dont need to keep killing tons of stuff for a while. its easy to get caught up fighting and get way too much cash haha, and if you end up with nothing to spend it on its wasted time

[daring cloak]

Yeah early on I would suggest staying near chests that are in hard to reach spots

It wont take much time away in the long run and save you the track back to the chest

[full apex]

you can keep looking around and come back to it if you want, as long as youre spending cash as you get it you should be ok

[frosty reef]

https://youtu.be/m4UPMPmKAPI?si=WOQe1KVDFU9rP7sm

[full apex]

looking for a scrapper before printing or waiting for rerolls would be kinda self explanatory. but maybe im just too isaac pilled

honestly waiting for a recycler is kinda not worth it tho tbh, its optimization with really low odds of mattering and will tend to have menial impact, so like you can but its not worth stressing about even if you want to improve

ig if you will have to loop back around anyways, but otherwise its most likely going to be a waste of time

[nocturne sierra]

Didn’t engineer turrets used to inherent items as soon as you pick them up

[full apex]

that kind of thing is honestly what makes me low key hate sale star, because it forces annoying gameplay of skipping things and trying to remember where everything is just in case you get something slightly better. like skipping every trishop on a maybe of card is tedious lol

[full apex]

nope

its when they are respawned, so when placed. i dont think its been different

[nocturne sierra]

Idk why I remember it the other way, thanks for the confirmation though

[full apex]

it would be funny, but i kinda like the strategy of maybe not changing their build right away

[mellow crystal]

there's a mod that does it so maybe that's why?

[full apex]

like for fuel array engi it can be really silly since you can place them so they get the array, then swap it off to not risk your own life and just get it again later

[nocturne sierra]

I play on console I don’t have any mods, so it’s just me remembering something wrong

[marble osprey]

I think it's worth for red items specifically, the difference between shitty reds and good reds is absolutely massive

[full apex]

maybe for something really bad i guess, but even then its rare, a recycler is a maybe, and it might not even roll well

theres not really a reason not to, but the reason to is just kinda eh. like a red item doesnt make or break an entire run, or at least it shouldnt. so thats a bit over exaggerated for effect

[ionic igloo]

if I actually remembered, I would probably search for a recycler if it meant rerolling an Aegis with no healing or some other red I don't like

[full apex]

most of your strength just comes from having a wide pool of items anyways, min maxing rng on one or two isnt nearly as important as it is in a game like isaac

[quasi crystal]

I hard disagree recycler has almost always made a run much better

[marble osprey]

Personally I do a decent amount of item macro, it works out more often than you'd think

[ionic igloo]

I think rerolling a "bad red" in a tight run into an ICBM or Clover or Whispers is probably good

[full apex]

i think for a newer player, micro minmaxing stuff like that isnt something to focus on, there are bigger things like raw efficiency in looting or learning which synergies to keep in the first place

[marble osprey]

Oh definitely

[full apex]

thats not really what the idea is tho, recycler by itself is good yea

[marble osprey]

For a new player I wouldn't suggest any of this, I'd say pick up every item you see and see how it feels to use

[full apex]

i just mean like if you get a decent red item, skipping it and wasting the time of walking back later for the maybe of finding an equipment and then the low chance its recycler is pretty unimpactful for ror2. if its really bad then it makes more sense, but thats an even less common scenario

so like the odds of the idea being relevant and paying off is really really small compared to like knowing which items on commando make sense to scrap for crit or bleed

they mention in the video that its more macro and focused on those who already know itemization, though tbh i think if you are at that level those kinds of macro min maxing should be a bit obvious

[marble osprey]

It's not that uncommon, I'd do this for 6 or 7 of the reds, and there's only like 30 different reds

[full apex]

yeagh

though like
getting a red early on when it matters most is fairly rare. and it might be fine to begin with, like if it was good enough even id just take it. and later on it kinda doesnt matter if its decent so usually i still just kinda take it haha

unless im really trying to force a build, like soulbound fmp

[marble osprey]

What kind of runs are we talking about here for clarification
Bc like yeah if you're looping then yeah it doesn't really matter if it's good

[full apex]

whatever really

1% or less optimizations dont really impact runs if you know what youre doing, since 99% of the time you wont even have the option to make them at all

and if you dont know what youre doing, youve got bigger focuses

[marble osprey]

99% is an exaggeration, even if you only got 1 red per run this would come up as an option in at least 20% of runs

[lyric silo]

id say 95% of runs you dont get it

[full apex]

the odds of hitting a red early that isnt at least decent, and then also hitting an equipment, and then also rolling it to be a recycler, and then also rolling the red to something great, is pretty low

i think value optimizations are much more impactful, which is kinda why i dont like them lol. like optimizing trishops or sale star by skipping things on maybes and having to memorize and backtrack is a pain, and if it doesnt pay off it feels very ugh.

nevertheless i do tend to do those early on, though trishops really only for good greens. and by like s5 idk how much i care, unless theres something specific i want

[lyric silo]

yeah i just forget

[full apex]

forgoring sale star makes me every time lol

i kinda wish it was like a re-lock instead

[lyric silo]

i dont use sots so its usually forgetting void cradles at the end of tele

[full apex]

to make infestors not matter?

[lyric silo]

e8

[full apex]

ah yea that would do it

[marble osprey]

The real reason safer spaces is goated, letting me hit void cradles early and not forget them lol

[lyric silo]

also i just never bother with waiting for exec card for multishops its pointless in 99% of runs and just adds to time and id just forget

[lyric silo]

exactly

[full apex]

yea thats why if i do its almost always like the vid example specifically, a trishop with uke and atg in it

[lyric silo]

yeah i only do it if i literally cant choose

[full apex]

those two ramping each other makes getting at least one of each really really good, so if i had the opportunity right in front of me id roll a 1% to hit it for sure. but if its atg and some random decent greens i just hit the atg to get the power immediately

[lyric silo]

yeah same

i just rlly dont like ror2 macro

ive never been good with macro stuff, like in doom i would always forget the bfg exists

[marble osprey]

I have OCD and it bothers me to not do things optimally lol

[lyric silo]

it bothers me not playing games on the highest difficulty, it doesnt help that along with that im not even good at most games so i just burn myself out

[full apex]

in a game where time matters and your biggest strengths come from width in less individually useful item effects, the optimization feels wasteful when i could just play more stages and increase odds of synergy that way.

as opposed to like isaac where time is not important and a single good item reroll could literally instantly win a run, and many many items are literally detrimental to pick up entirely

[lyric silo]

fair

took me like 5 times reading that to understand it

[full apex]

sorry lol words are fnuuy

[lyric silo]

doesnt help that i was looking at it on a stretched ultrawide discord

so i had to move my eyes across so much to read it

[marble osprey]

See when you say things like "just play more stages" that's why I feel like this is an important question because I'm not talking about the kinds of runs where you do that

[lyric silo]

whenever im talking abt runs i assume we talking abt no loop runs but idk

[full apex]

i just mean progress the game state

if its stage 5 then the majority of the time it probably wont make or break winning, so rather than spend a bunch of extra time that probably wont pay off to get the same outcome, i just go to the end

[lyric silo]

in my experience in eclipse it matters more to spend the extra time

[full apex]

probably, youll likely be spending some extra time looting from the gold anyways though i imagine

[lyric silo]

cause the powerboost allows you to make the game meaningfully easiet while the time doesnt matter as much

[lyric silo]

the gold modifier barely ever matters tbh

[full apex]

though e8 makes lingering a bit iffy sometimes, a lot of the other modifiers also make the general item pool a lot worse

like healing items in general take a pretty fair hit

[lyric silo]

yeah, only healing thats worth it is slug and wungus

[full apex]

so optimizing is less likely to pay off

[lyric silo]

lingering is fine in e8 as long as the item boost outweighs the difficulty increase (it usually does)

but yeah more of the item pool is bad so it can backfire, but its not like spending a little more time impacts the run much anyways

[full apex]

yea
idk
i just dont think im super prone to wait for a card for ex unless theres a super nuts trishop, the extra items would be pretty good as tempo or fuel for printers later but ehh

[lyric silo]

the only stuff i do is scrap and printers

and vradle stuff obv

[full apex]

those are pretty standard i think

reasonable

[lyric silo]

yeah

[full apex]

also often guaranteed payoff, like a printer you know immediately has a 100% chance of payoff

[lyric silo]

i just cant be bothered with the multishop and recycler stuff, idc if its better for looting ik not bothering

[full apex]

(though im not an aggressive scrapper, i tend to keep a lot unless theres a printer same stage i want)

[lyric silo]

same

i just scrap the stuff i dont want and wait until a good printer, if there isnt then i either use it on newt soup or moon soup

wait that means im an aggressive scrapper what am i saying im so tired sorry xD

[full apex]

ill keep stuff thats meh but toss true junk

i dont think theres a lot of true junk, though it does go up on eclipse

[lyric silo]

eclipse makes most healing instascrap

[full apex]

yeagh

though like steak id probably hold for a stage or 2

its relevant through s1 at least and more hp means less curse

[lyric silo]

i like eclipse its just my issue with it is the climb halfway through just becomes too easy and makes it too much of a slog for me

[lyric silo]

steak is instascrap for me

[full apex]

yea

the flat as a % of hp early on is pretty solid, but it falls off fast

[lyric silo]

i do have sots for the survivors i just dont have the dlc enabled

[lyric silo]

yeah as a first item its fine

its just damage mitigation and speed will always be more valuable

[full apex]

yea

[lyric silo]

hence stoneflux being so bad

[full apex]

i dont dislike hp up, like i think psg is pretty decent

[lyric silo]

im fine with psg its alr

[full apex]

8% is solid
so i toss steak once its getting worse. which i wish wasnt so fast lmao

[lyric silo]

its a percentage increase so it atleast does SOMETHING

[full apex]

i think steak is ~8% max hp at like 300 or 310 or something

which is like
lvl 6 on base stat chars i think

so stage 2 i usually stop caring about it

[lyric silo]

yeah

even infusion is bad tbh

hp just doesnt rlly matter

[full apex]

i like infusion because there are some shenanigans with it

but generally i do wish it was better. it was fine but the game has just outscaled it really hard for a while

[lyric silo]

only situation i keep infusion is keeping 1 or 2 on low health survivors like rg and huntress

infusion gives more health than base huntress has afterall

im currently trying inferno mode + eclipse + all diluvian artifacts + accursed mithrix with no sots so i think im gonna suffer alot

[quasi crystal]

infusion printing is fun

[lyric silo]

ive never seen an infusion printer ever

[full apex]

you can overcap it a lil with multikills which is silly, but yea i like the memery where you keep the full stacked buff with at least 1. so you get 3 or 4, fill em up, and if you find another you can scrap, get the 1, and have 400 hp

[quasi crystal]

Unfortunate, it's a very cool strategy that's rare but funny kind of like a more annoying to get pearl

[lyric silo]

most greens ive never seen a printer for

[quasi crystal]

I'm guessing you get a lot of Regen scrap

[lyric silo]

not much no

i see too many medkit printers tho

[full apex]

getting like 210 hp in one green is decent

but still a bit low. and does require setup. its just funny

[nocturne sierra]

How does fighting the false son in eclipse work, does it just make you go to stage 5 or can you end it there

[lyric silo]

is the path for false son even enabled in eclipse?

[nocturne sierra]

It is

I’m on treetop colony rn

[lyric silo]

huh

then i have no idea

[nocturne sierra]

Guess I’ll find out

[lyric silo]

guess so then

[lyric silo]

just checked, it shows a portal to go to stage 5 then mithrix

[nocturne sierra]

Ima hope I don’t die go false son rn then

[quasi crystal]

You can't obliterate after beating false son but the prime meridian is accessible

[lyric silo]

i wish void path had the option in eclipse to do everything BUT voidling

locus my beloved

[quasi crystal]

There are mods to make it a stage 5 I'm sure you know that already tho

[lyric silo]

i did not

i kept forgetting to look for a mod

[quasi crystal]

nvm depreciated

[lyric silo]

when was it last updated?

[lyric silo]

half the mods i use are

[quasi crystal]

I am reading further and was mistook I think it just lets you access locus in eclipse and end on voidling (eclipse+)

[lyric silo]

ah damn

[real whale]

Is there any way to cancel Seeker's meditate ability? (I just lost a run because of that)

[quasi crystal]

spam the wrong input

[real whale]

Isn't there a faster way to do it?

[lavish jacinth]

pretty sure you can just hit shift again

or change the setting that makes it so you hold the button instead of being a toggle, if you prefer that

[quasi crystal]

shift isnt meditate

[lavish jacinth]

oh I'm stupid lmao

[real whale]

[lavish jacinth]

yeah nah, meditate is kinda committal

[real whale]

Man, it was a good run..

[lyric silo]

i didnt know either tbh

played seeker once

[twin anvil]

How to play false son

[full zephyr]

am i able to have more than 3 turrets with lysate cell on engi? or is it max 3

[mellow crystal]

max 3 yea
more lysates give more skill charges but once you have three down those'll just delete the oldest one like usual

[full zephyr]

gotcha thanks. are there mods to remove this lysate cell cap lol

[mellow crystal]

iirc yes

[full zephyr]

W ty for this info

[full zephyr]

https://thunderstore.io/package/Chen/ChensMineLimitChanger/ its a little late so idk if im reading right or im braindead right now but this looks like itd get rid of the limit for engi correct

[obsidian temple]

i have that problem aswell, maybe it’s my lack of visualizing the map on my head but i swear it all looks loopy and i tend to not know where i am or where the scrapper is etc 😂

[cunning jay]

ok so I literally just killed a boss in the second stage by SIMPLY JUST PRESSING SHIFT with the robot character. and i`m trying t figure out how tf this happened with my current build. anyone has any idea?

[full apex]

which robot

[cunning jay]

here's the clip

you can see my visible confusion trying to figure out how I insta-killed it

JUST HOW?????

[steady stone]

stacks increase the damage of the missile by 300% per (iirc), so it's just because of 5 atg

each rocket would be doing 1500% of the attack that procced it

[mellow crystal]

oh yeah the atgs hit around the same time as the shift

[steady stone]

you can see them hit at the top of the screen, but kind of obscured by the explosions

[cunning jay]

can you explain to me as if I'm 10

[wide parrot]

by having more ATGs your missiles did more damage

[steady stone]

if your attack does 100 damage, 5 atgs doing 1500% would mean it does 15x that 100 damage on impact

[wide parrot]

like waaaaaaaaay more damage

[steady stone]

so 1500 additional dmg on a 100 dmg hit

using 100 as a simple number of course, rebar and transport mode do way more

also remember to take breaks

[wide parrot]

do not, live for the grind

[full apex]

• behemoth so another 1.6x on the end

[analog brook]

@full apex @lavish jacinth I'm not the brightest here so i need some help if that's fine, since yall are usually the smartest here with numbers and such.

If I ran 200 simulations...
100 simulations for a 10% chance being rolled 7 times each time (an atg with glaze)
100 simulations for a 5% chance being rolled 20(?) times each time (an atg with boosted dice)
And then took the avarage of one abilities proc rate and multiplied it by the avarage base damage of its hit for "proc efficency" would that make sense? Just a number to indicate how efficient something could proc, for example an atg, based off of both damage and chance
I'm unsure though how many rolls I'd have to do for each boosted dice simulation, as Im unsure if it's possible to even get all 32 hits, or how exactly they launch out to determine the max amount of hits possible for one enemy

[tired atlas]

Did you change anything in Classic mode for multiplayer? I feel like I keep fighting for chests because having more items generally makes you stronger. There are a limited number of chests on each map. What do people do to make multiplayer more fun and balanced instead of having one survivor hoard all the items in Classic mode? I play with two other friends.

[lavish jacinth]

You can absolutely calculate proc dps that way, in fact you wouldn't even really need to run simulations, you can just run the numbers. Proc dps is basically just skill dps * proc coeff * average dps increase of the proc in question (for atg it would be 30%, so x1.3).

But ofc that only gives you a 'perfect' number, for something like boosted dice that can vary a lot in how much damage it deals, you might wanna do some real-world tests to see how many hits you actually get on average. But honestly there's so much variation in real gameplay that there might not even be a point to that

[lavish jacinth]

tbh all you can really do is try to communicate and make sure people are sharing items fairly. Or you can enable sacrifice so that there's no shortage of items, but that also destroys balance a bit

ror2's co-op features are unfortunately kinda lacking, it tends to feel like multiple singleplayer campaigns happening at the same time rather than true co-op.

Just try to be aware of what items are good for each character and get in the habit of not picking stuff up right away, and leave stuff on the ground if it's something that somebody else would want

[tired atlas]

yeah.. it felt that way. Thanks

[safe salmon]

Anyone have a solid way or combo to get balista? I'm having trouble getting it for huntress

[ionic igloo]

glass sac command the old classic

[steady stone]

Overhealth like from or will not count as falling under 100% health if damaged, and you can also loop
Technically it's finishing "RPD" or whatever the other stage is for the challenge, not stage 3, so you can do it on like stage 8, 13, etc

[ionic igloo]

Delta (snow) and Acres (circles)

[safe salmon]

Ahh thankyou so much because I was on stage 3 and got a achievement for not healing. Was left scratching my head on why I didn't have it.

[steady stone]

Regen doesn't count as healing, so you probably took damage and then regenerated to full

[safe salmon]

I did have transcendce so I think that's what did it.

[ionic igloo]

yeah shields still count as part of your max health

[full apex]

im not sure exactly what ur going for, but if its just proc dps expected from smth then its pretty calc-able... as for value expectations on a skill, you might need to practical test. like if you dont know how many cleavers usually hit, you cant just math it by itself. though you can make a few different assumption points to get a range of possibilities

[winter arch]

is it even worth stacking visions of heresy

[full apex]

not usually

most heresy items kinda stack scuffed, the cooldown isnt usually worth it

like essence doesnt really need double the debuff duration since it resets, double cooldown is a lot worse. or like longer root on hooks isnt worth just shooting twice a many hooks

for visions the dps is ratio'd, the double stocks and double CD results in identical DPS, so theres a case you could make for stacking it if you have CD resets, but even then eh, you still have the time it takes to shoot all the shots

i dont know if you like maths and stuff, if not you can disregard, but if you find it interesting heres the stats at different stacks

[winter arch]

thanks

[cunning jay]

what the heck just killed me

[daring cloak]

The 3 billion blind pests

[lavish jacinth]

specifically the delayed damage from overloading orbs

[daring cloak]

Not even

The orb is what caused the damage that activated gloop but the 2 hits afterwards were just regular pest spits

[lavish jacinth]

there was an orb stuck to the beetle guard, I'm pretty sure that specifically is what caused the final hit

[cunning jay]

wtf is an orb

[lavish jacinth]

the things that overloading elites attach to you when they hit you

[daring cloak]

No because for a fraction of a second you can see the visual of another spitball hitting

[cunning jay]

ohhh i never noticed that wtf

[lavish jacinth]

it's like a delayed , and does half the damage of the initial hit

[lavish jacinth]

oh, you might be right then

either way, blind pests

[opal kernel]

are there any plans to make a ror3, im not saying annytme soon, just like, ever?

[ionic igloo]

I doubt there are any plans

[opal kernel]

that would make sense

didnt rorr just come out?

why am i asking myself questians

i think im going crazy

actually i already hav

i think i just need to shut up

[daring cloak]

That came out over a year ago 😭

[opal kernel]

ts stil recent compared tot ror2 and ror

[lavish jacinth]

and rorr aside, ror2 is still being worked on

and it's not like there's really a need for a ror3

[opal kernel]

yeh, is there any plans of a 3rd dlc

just curious

[lavish jacinth]

possibly, but they need to finish sots first

[ionic igloo]

again I doubt there are any plans

[daring cloak]

A bit early to say but they havent denied it

[opal kernel]

whats coming next? i though it was over

[peak jacinth]

I wonder if GBX will set their sights on updates for rorr after sots is done getting updates, or greenlight the cut content for it

[ionic igloo]

the chance for a 3rd DLC, as well as the chance for any future risk of rain game, isn't 0%

[lavish jacinth]

false son fight rework, then survivor reworks

[opal kernel]

oh

[ionic igloo]

returns is a different kind of game and has a different dev team so it really has little impact here

[lavish jacinth]

the main issue with rorr is that it's basically in ownership limbo right now, right?

gearbox publishing and hopoo both no longer exist

[peak jacinth]

yes, there’s actually a lot of updates and content they planned that isn’t able to be added because of this

[jaunty snow]

what would yall consider the 5 item exodia build

[opal kernel]

is thunderstore modding legal?

[lavish jacinth]

yeah, we literally have a modding channel in this server lol

[lavish jacinth]

probably or something

or

[quasi crystal]

if you want 5 unique items

🫎 I think you can basically just win no matter what with this ignoring inferno and other intentionally unfaidifficulties

[full apex]

proc chains break the game pretty well

the total average output with decent value from the chains will outperform most stuff

[peak jacinth]

[full apex]

ig that technically wins since its hard to take damage

but it would be slooow by itself

[peak jacinth]

its impossible to take damage

[jaunty snow]

item stacking counts as one item

[full apex]

with 5 items i dont think the stacks are high enough

proc chains require one of each and it basically solves your damage

[lavish jacinth]

is another pretty good one, dunno if it beats proc chains but at least you get the spectacle of 60+ bleed stacks per second

[full apex]

that would also require stacking tho

[opal kernel]

whats the easest way tog et merc etheral

[jaunty snow]

didn't i like, just say stacking counts as 1 item

[lavish jacinth]

wait for a seed with glass, preferably with command

[full apex]

5 of 1 item theres not really anything thats a win button by itself

[lavish jacinth]

and check out cabbages guides in #prismatic-trials

[full apex]

unless you are using seeker or acrid in which case lux would work

[lavish jacinth]

I think they meant you can stack them and it still counts as one

[jaunty snow]

yeaht hats what i meant

[full apex]

proc chains probably still offer the best value

[jaunty snow]

also how do yall put the images down im too stupid to figure that out

[opal kernel]

aalso, is there a way to get the modifiers used in prismatic trial in the regular

[peak jacinth]

this is pretty much an instant win with 1 stack of each item, but it’ll take a minute

[lavish jacinth]

they're just discord emotes

[jaunty snow]

oh

[quasi crystal]

i think the drone and damage avoidance combo breaks the game just as well and requires less effort idk lol

[jaunty snow]

[full apex]

eh

funny but for output it requires a looooot of input to get decent output

[lavish jacinth]

replace safer spaces with unstable transmitter and you're onto something

[quasi crystal]

yeah transmitter > spaces

[jaunty snow]

or hear me out

[peak jacinth]

blast shower removes transmitter cooldown?

[jaunty snow]

sojourn + razorwire + the funny

[lavish jacinth]

you mean the thing where you start with extra gold? or artifacts

[lavish jacinth]

yep

and transmitter removes the ability to die

[quasi crystal]

i think it removes the cd of every defensive item but opal

[full apex]

sojourn is probably best with lux and makes you invincible by itself

[peak jacinth]

damn that’s kinda insane

[lavish jacinth]

nah, it's just items whose cooldowns appear as a debuff

[full apex]

but inf meditate and orb is good too

[quasi crystal]

what defensive item besides opal has a non debuff cd?

[jaunty snow]

ok you know what replace the kjaros band with transmittet

[full apex]

stealthkit

[quasi crystal]

I said defensive item not scrap

[full apex]

stealthkit is fine

[lavish jacinth]

also you wouldn't need the fuel cell, just stack more gestures

[jaunty snow]

good point

[full apex]

i dont think i care much to stack it but one stack is basically free

[peak jacinth]

red whip if you consider mobility defense

[lavish jacinth]

stealthkit used to be cool 😔

[quasi crystal]

transmitter i still think is gamebreaking and lets you watch family guy funny moments

[peak jacinth]

all shield items are non-debuff cd

[quasi crystal]

oh yeah shields

[jaunty snow]

i literally have never used transmitter because didn't it like use to suck

[lavish jacinth]

it used to be horrendous yeah

[quasi crystal]

yeah transmitter is on par with a legendary now

[peak jacinth]

it used to be mid, now it’s busted

[quasi crystal]

mid is increcibly generous

[peak jacinth]

eh, it was basically a better elixir, I think mid is fine

[lavish jacinth]

you literally cannot die if it's off cooldown, it gates all damage below 25% and gives 75% barrier when it activates

[jaunty snow]

other than to larry the void reaver

[lavish jacinth]

also gives you a temporary aura that teleports nearby enemies away from you and inflicts bleed

[lyric silo]

it used to get you killed

[jaunty snow]

just use to not die to thy void reaver

[quasi crystal]

it was not a better elixir before the rework it was a self destruct button

[lavish jacinth]

are we talking about the same item?

[quasi crystal]

I got stuck under the bridge in commencement twice with that piece of shit

[jaunty snow]

i once saw a run where the transmitter killed someone during the escape sequence

[lavish jacinth]

I've had transmitter help me exactly once, ever

[jaunty snow]

the old one

[lavish jacinth]

yeah

every other time it just made the situation worse

[quasi crystal]

it's helped me when the enemies got it because the explosion was always on your team

[peak jacinth]

I had the old transmitter help me plenty of times

[lyric silo]

only time id ever used old transmitter it got me killed in vields

[quasi crystal]

Are you a flashi alt maruke

[jaunty snow]

+ unstable transmitter

[peak jacinth]

I don’t think it was good lol

I just don’t think it was horrendous either

[lyric silo]

it was

[jaunty snow]

run killer guide: helfire tincture + old transmitter

[lavish jacinth]

I would say it was the worst item in the dlc if knockback fin didn't exist

old fin did literally nothing

[jaunty snow]

whats old fin

[peak jacinth]

I think it was better than antlers

[quasi crystal]

Nah fin was useless but transmitter actively harmed you

[lyric silo]

at least fin didnt sabotage ur run